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Errant Hothy
10-02-2012, 12:06 PM
http://www.myfoxhouston.com/story/19706519/2012/10/02/texans-re-sign-troy-nolan


HOUSTON (FOX 26) - With safety Quintin Demps out with a broken left arm, the Texans are re-signing Troy Nolan.

Nolan was cut prior to the season by the Texans and signed with the Miami Dolphins where he played three games before being released.

Lurvinator11
10-02-2012, 12:07 PM
Well with Demps being out for a few weeks with a broken forearm, we should pick up Nolan.

Who could we cut on our roster to make room for him?

Or would we call up pleasant?


I SO called that in another thread!

Boom!

Errant Hothy
10-02-2012, 12:09 PM
I'm curious as to what the corresponding roster move will be. Fearful that Tate's toe injury might be severe.

Ryan
10-02-2012, 12:09 PM
Good.

SheTexan
10-02-2012, 12:09 PM
http://www.myfoxhouston.com/story/19706519/2012/10/02/texans-re-sign-troy-nolan

I must be psychic today! I was sitting here just this moment wondering WHEN they were gonna sign him. Just felt it in my bones it would get done today. THANKS for posting the link!

HJam72
10-02-2012, 12:11 PM
Good. This is team is better with him on it.

Lurvinator11
10-02-2012, 12:14 PM
I'm curious as to what the corresponding roster move will be. Fearful that Tate's toe injury might be severe.

It shouldn't be that, I heard Tate practiced on Monday.

ThaShark316
10-02-2012, 12:15 PM
I'm curious as to what the corresponding roster move will be. Fearful that Tate's toe injury might be severe.

How does that....

never mind.

I'll just say that the Texans could cut Holliday or something.

HJam72
10-02-2012, 12:25 PM
Man, Holiday has really fallen off in the real season. He's taking up a roster spot just to be the returner, and ultimately he's not even good at it. I mean he has some serious skills, but they don't translate into anything but an over-exciting return from the endzone to the (maybe) 25 yd. line, and he's a constant threat to drop the catch/fumble/get his little butt killed on every return.

Lurvinator11
10-02-2012, 12:30 PM
How many times have we seen Holiday on the field other than special teams?

I know he scares us, but I like Holiday returning. I feel he could break a few, but that isn't why I like him.

I like him because I would rather have him returning as opposed to our starters like Keyshawn or Manning. The reason, is because I don't want our starters to get hurt at all on a kickoff or punt return. So as long as Holiday isn't on with our offense, he should continue to return kickoffs and punts.

Based on that, I think he stays on the team.

rolyat93
10-02-2012, 12:39 PM
Good signing, surprised he was still available.

BIG TORO
10-02-2012, 12:41 PM
So who's getting cut!?

The Pencil Neck
10-02-2012, 12:46 PM
So who's getting cut!?

Still haven't heard.

I'm thinking Gardener or Holliday.

Stemp
10-02-2012, 12:53 PM
Demps will be on IR. Why do they need to make a cut?

Lurvinator11
10-02-2012, 12:53 PM
Still haven't heard.

I'm thinking Gardener or Holliday.

Probably Gardener.

Haven't seen him at all this season.

TejasTom
10-02-2012, 12:53 PM
Still haven't heard.

I'm thinking Gardener or Holliday.

More likely someone that is inactive every game, Gardener.

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Seņor Stan
10-02-2012, 12:54 PM
So who's getting cut!?

Keo? *crosses fingers*

BIG TORO
10-02-2012, 12:54 PM
Isn't beck inactive each game? Cut him.

TejasTom
10-02-2012, 12:56 PM
Keo? *crosses fingers*

You and me both...but unlikely.

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Rey
10-02-2012, 12:57 PM
I wouldn't cut Holiday.

I wouldn't have cut Nolan and I would have had Grimes on the active Roster instead of Keo or Ball.

So they'll probably cut Holiday.

Rey
10-02-2012, 12:58 PM
Demps will be on IR. Why do they need to make a cut?

Demps isn't going to IR.

The Pencil Neck
10-02-2012, 01:00 PM
Probably Gardener.

Haven't seen him at all this season.

I have seen Holliday and he ain't the pre-season version. I don't think Kubes likes keeping a specialist like that on the roster and if he's not going to be giving us something, we've got other guys that can do that job.

With Caldwell down, I think there's less chance of Gardener getting cut because it would leave us a little thinner on the OL.

El Tejano
10-02-2012, 01:02 PM
Man, Holiday has really fallen off in the real season. He's taking up a roster spot just to be the returner, and ultimately he's not even good at it. I mean he has some serious skills, but they don't translate into anything but an over-exciting return from the endzone to the (maybe) 25 yd. line, and he's a constant threat to drop the catch/fumble/get his little butt killed on every return.

Did anyone else notice that Tenn must've saw something on tape? Every single guy that tackled him was trying to rip the ball at the exact same spot on every return, if he was down or not.

Lurvinator11
10-02-2012, 01:13 PM
This is an if, and a big IF, but we COULD release Beck.

Since he is third string, and it wouldn't disrupt the main scheme of things.

I guess we will see.

UPDATE: I'm listening to 610 right now, they might put him on temporary IR, which means we wouldn't need to cut anybody.

Once again, we will wait until we hear a word from Texans camp.

TheIronDuke
10-02-2012, 01:17 PM
I have seen Holliday and he ain't the pre-season version. I don't think Kubes likes keeping a specialist like that on the roster and if he's not going to be giving us something, we've got other guys that can do that job.

With Caldwell down, I think there's less chance of Gardener getting cut because it would leave us a little thinner on the OL.

I don't think Kubes is impressed either. Wasn't Forsett returning a kickoff at the end of the Tenn game?

Lurvinator11
10-02-2012, 01:20 PM
I don't think Kubes is impressed either. Wasn't Forsett returning a kickoff at the end of the Tenn game?

I actually wouldn't have a problem with Forsett returning, since he isn't a starter.

Once again, we will see.

Rey
10-02-2012, 01:21 PM
Demps isn't going to IR.

Well apparently demps CAN go to temporary IR...

HOU-TEX
10-02-2012, 01:23 PM
Well apparently demps CAN go to temporary IR...

Which is what I think will happen.

Errant Hothy
10-02-2012, 01:25 PM
Should the designated to return tag be saved for somebody just a tad more important than Demps?

Lurvinator11
10-02-2012, 01:26 PM
Well apparently demps CAN go to temporary IR...

Like I said in an earlier post, if that is correct, it is probably what will happen.

srrono
10-02-2012, 01:37 PM
http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=95018&page=2

Troy Nolan Released by Dolphins on 9/25 is still a Free Agent. I would like to see him back in Houston. I would rather him than Keo to replace S Quintin Demps.

I posted this yesterday and some one decided to move it into a thread.

BIG TORO
10-02-2012, 01:46 PM
Should the designated to return tag be saved for somebody just a tad more important than Demps?

Agree I don't think we will use it on demps. We should save that for a star player.

Rey
10-02-2012, 02:18 PM
Should the designated to return tag be saved for somebody just a tad more important than Demps?

What's the difference?

HJam72
10-02-2012, 02:54 PM
What's the difference?

Talent

Rey
10-02-2012, 03:11 PM
Talent

What? That doesn't make any sense.

I don't get the difference in using it on demps or a "more important player"...

Has no bearing on the actual player. The only difference is in one scenario you have to cut a guy and in the other you don't.

Why would you save it for another player that may or may not need an extended recovery period?

TejasTom
10-02-2012, 03:12 PM
You can only use it once.

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HJam72
10-02-2012, 03:13 PM
What? That doesn't make any sense.

I don't get the difference in using it on demps or a "more important player"...

Has no bearing on the actual player. The only difference is in one scenario you have to cut a guy and in the other you don't.

Why would you save it for another player?

I can think of a scenario that MIGHT be true (or not) that tells me I should let somebody else answer that who knows what they're talking about.

After all, I was just screwin' wit ya... :)

The Pencil Neck
10-02-2012, 03:13 PM
What? That doesn't make any sense.

I don't get the difference in using it on demps or a "more important player"...

Has no bearing on the actual player. The only difference is in one scenario you have to cut a guy and in the other you don't.

Why would you save it for another player?

Someone else might get injured that you want to bring back more. It's not like you've got an infinite amount of these things.

HJam72
10-02-2012, 03:14 PM
Someone else might get injured that you want to bring back more. It's not like you've got an infinite amount of these things.

Well, that's the part I didn't know. How many of "those things" do we have?

Rey
10-02-2012, 03:17 PM
Someone else might get injured that you want to bring back more. It's not like you've got an infinite amount of these things.

That doesn't make any sense.

All you have to do is put them on the inactive list like they did every other year before this was added.

The only difference that if you use the new rule you don't have to cut anyone. This has no actual bearing on the injured player if I understand right. It affects bubble guys...That's why we were discussing who was going to get cut...

Remember that?

Errant Hothy
10-02-2012, 03:19 PM
Well, that's the part I didn't know. How many of "those things" do we have?

One, if I am remembering correctly.

The Pencil Neck
10-02-2012, 03:19 PM
Well, that's the part I didn't know. How many of "those things" do we have?

I believe it's 1 but I'm looking for verification one way or the other.

The Pencil Neck
10-02-2012, 03:23 PM
That doesn't make any sense.

All you have to do is put them on the inactive list like they did every other year before this was added.

The only difference that if you use the new rule you don't have to cut anyone. This has no actual bearing on the injured player if I understand right. It affects bubble guys...That's why we were discussing who was going to get cut...

Remember that?

You've got 53 player slots. If you DON'T do anything with Demps, you're going to have to cut one of those guys to make room for Nolan.

If you put Demps on the regular Injured Reserve, he's done for the season. Kubiak said Demps wasn't going on Injured Reserve, which means... someone's gotta go.

Someone brought up the option of putting Demps on the newfangled Injured Reserve, which if they did, no one would have to be cut until Demps came back. But I think you only get 1 newfangled Injured Reserve. So the question is, do you want to use that 1 newfangled Injured Reserve on Demps or do you want to save it in case someone else that's more important gets injured.

The Pencil Neck
10-02-2012, 03:27 PM
I believe it's 1 but I'm looking for verification one way or the other.

I found a site that said that you've got to put a player on IR with the "desgnated to return" option and you can only use it 1 time. The player has to miss 6 weeks.

This is the link. (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2012/8/30/3280056/nfl-injured-reserve-rules)

TejasTom
10-02-2012, 03:27 PM
1. Only players with a "major injury" who are placed on Reserve/Injured after 4:00 p.m., New York time, on Tuesday, September 4, or thereafter during the season, will be eligible to be reactivated at a later time.
2. A "major injury" is defined as an injury that renders the player unable to practice or play football for at least six weeks (42 calendar days) from the date of injury.
3. Each team may reactivate only one player placed on Reserve/Injured after 4:00 p.m., New York time, on Tuesday, September 4. That player must be "designated for return" at the time the club places him on Reserve/Injured, and such designation shall appear on that day's Personnel Notice.
4. Such player is eligible to return to practice if he has been on Reserve/Injured for at least six weeks from the date he is placed on Reserve. He is eligible to return to the Active List if he has been on Reserve/Injured for at least eight weeks from the date he is placed on Reserve.

Edit: TPN beat me to it.

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SheTexan
10-02-2012, 03:34 PM
Holliday nor Forcett are gonna be adq return guys until our entire STs step it up and notch or two. Can't run through a brick wall! Open a tiny little hole and Trinton will be gone. Hasn't happened this season.

HOU-TEX
10-02-2012, 03:34 PM
You've got 53 player slots. If you DON'T do anything with Demps, you're going to have to cut one of those guys to make room for Nolan.

If you put Demps on the regular Injured Reserve, he's done for the season. Kubiak said Demps wasn't going on Injured Reserve, which means... someone's gotta go.

Someone brought up the option of putting Demps on the newfangled Injured Reserve, which if they did, no one would have to be cut until Demps came back. But I think you only get 1 newfangled Injured Reserve. So the question is, do you want to use that 1 newfangled Injured Reserve on Demps or do you want to save it in case someone else that's more important gets injured.

Do teams really think like that? I doubt it......but can't prove it :)

HJam72
10-02-2012, 03:37 PM
"Newfangled injured reserve" is definitely a good name for it. :)

HJam72
10-02-2012, 03:39 PM
Do teams really think like that? I doubt it......but can't prove it :)

I would think that they think about every possibility.

The Pencil Neck
10-02-2012, 03:41 PM
"Newfangled injured reserve" is definitely a good name for it. :)

Thank you. We had our best team of monkeys working overtime on that.

michaelm
10-02-2012, 03:44 PM
How many times have we seen Holiday on the field other than special teams?

I know he scares us, but I like Holiday returning. I feel he could break a few, but that isn't why I like him.

I like him because I would rather have him returning as opposed to our starters like Keyshawn or Manning. The reason, is because I don't want our starters to get hurt at all on a kickoff or punt return. So as long as Holiday isn't on with our offense, he should continue to return kickoffs and punts.

Based on that, I think he stays on the team.

Forsett can return kicks, not sure about punts. He was on the field on the titans last kickoff.

Rey
10-02-2012, 03:50 PM
So the question is, do you want to use that 1 newfangled Injured Reserve on Demps or do you want to save it in case someone else that's more important gets injured.

And my point still stands.

The actual player that you use the new IR rule on is not relevant to that actual player.

What matters is the guys that you would have to cut.

Lets say an "important player" gets an injury that will take a while to heal. What are you going to do?

You're going to do what teams have always done. Keep them on the roster but not have them active on gameday. And if you need to sign someone to replace their spot, then some bubble player will be cut...

I really don't understand what you guys are talking about.

All this rule does is enable you to bring in an extra player instead of cutting a guy to make room. The player that you use the new exception on can come back when they are healed just like a player that you put on the inactive game day roster...

Of course someone will have to be cut when said player comes back, but again, that has 0 to do with the actual player.



I'm not saying the Texans won't cut someone and not use the new rule on Demps. What I'm saying is saving it for a "more important player" doesn't make any sense.

Lurvinator11
10-02-2012, 03:55 PM
Forsett can return kicks, not sure about punts. He was on the field on the titans last kickoff.

Yeah I realized after that post that Forsett can indeed return kicks. Which I posted about in a later post.

It is going to be interesting as to who they cut.

HJam72
10-02-2012, 03:57 PM
Well, I'm convinced that Demps is not our most important player... :stirpot:

Rey
10-02-2012, 03:58 PM
When Danieal Manning got hurt last year they didn't have this rule exception...He still came back when he was ready to play.

Only differnce is that he still counted against the 53 because he was just put on the inactive list..

Again, that has nothing to to with the actual injured player but rather affects the guys on the bubble that might get cut due to there being one less roster spot.

The Pencil Neck
10-02-2012, 05:08 PM
And my point still stands.

<snip>

I'm not saying the Texans won't cut someone and not use the new rule on Demps. What I'm saying is saving it for a "more important player" doesn't make any sense.

OMG.

I think you might be right. Maybe.

:wadepalm:

Damn, it was hard to say that.

Rey
10-02-2012, 05:13 PM
OMG.

I think you might be right. Maybe.

:wadepalm:

Damn, it was hard to say that.

LOL...

It's all good man. Ive been wrong a lot and I'm not proclaiming to be right here.

I'm generally trying to understand the thought process and sometimes small debate and explaining and listening to different view points help with that.

When I say "that doesn't make sense" I'm not closing the door on someone making it click in my head.

TejasTom
10-02-2012, 05:20 PM
I don't think they want to keep him out for 8 weeks if he doesn't have an 8 week injury.

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The Pencil Neck
10-02-2012, 05:28 PM
LOL...

It's all good man. Ive been wrong a lot and I'm not proclaiming to be right here.

I'm generally trying to understand the thought process and sometimes small debate and explaining and listening to different view points help with that.

When I say "that doesn't make sense" I'm not closing the door on someone making it click in my head.

I'm not going to use the Texans as an example because... well... that's tempting fate.

So, let's say the Bears have their right guard go down because of a hangnail and he's going to be out for 6-8 weeks. They've got 4 options:
1) Stick him on the regular IR -- gone for the season, but you can sign a replacement.
2) Keep him on the roster as an inactive but this means you have to cut someone to sign a replacement.
3) Do an IR/Injury Settlement cut, which loses the guy from the team totally but allows him to play with some other team later. The player can force this if they want to play and don't want to go on IR. You can sign a replacement this way without having to cut anyone.
4) Stick him on the newfangled IR, sign his replacement, and then cut someone else when he becomes available.

But then what if Matt Forte, Brian Urlacher, Jay Cutler, Michael Bush, and Brandon Marshall all go down for 6 weeks? Well, besides being screwed, you're going to have to make some hard decisions about who you inactivate and who you sign to the 53 to replace them.

But ultimately, you're right. If you've got that many injuries, it doesn't matter who you use this on as long as they're REALLY going to be back in 6 weeks. You probably don't want to waste it on someone who's going to take a year to come back. You're going to have to manage your roster the same way, with some of those guys stashed as inactives until they heal up. You'll have to cut from areas where you have "surplus" depth and sign the depth for these positions as you need them.

eriadoc
10-02-2012, 05:31 PM
More likely someone that is inactive every game ...

Brandon Harris?

Rey
10-02-2012, 05:35 PM
I don't think they want to keep him out for 8 weeks if he doesn't have an 8 week injury.

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Right, which is even more of a reason they'd want to use it on a guy they could afford to sit for 8 weeks rather than a guy they'd want back asap.

I can see the argument that they'd rather wait until week 6-8 to use it if they need to so they could have a full roster of players for the meat of the season and they guy that was out would be back right in time for play offs.

But the saving it for an important player argument doesn't make any sense to me. What exactly are you gaining by saving it for a more important player that may or may not get injured?

Nothing.

In fact you'd potentially be losing a roster spot for nothing if that hypothetical more important player never gets injured.

If you use the rule on demps you can add Nolan without cutting anyone. That gives you time to think and evaluate who you will cut when demps is back healthy and all the while you still operating with a full set of players.

If another guy gets injured later but not season ending, oh well, a bubble player might get cut. But I don't see how it matters in regards to the actual player getting injured. Hence me repeatedly saying saving it for a more important player doesn't make sense.

Rey
10-02-2012, 05:49 PM
I'm not going to use the Texans as an example because... well... that's tempting fate.

So, let's say the Bears have their right guard go down because of a hangnail and he's going to be out for 6-8 weeks. They've got 4 options:
1) Stick him on the regular IR -- gone for the season, but you can sign a replacement.
2) Keep him on the roster as an inactive but this means you have to cut someone to sign a replacement.
3) Do an IR/Injury Settlement cut, which loses the guy from the team totally but allows him to play with some other team later. The player can force this if they want to play and don't want to go on IR. You can sign a replacement this way without having to cut anyone.
4) Stick him on the newfangled IR, sign his replacement, and then cut someone else when he becomes available.

But then what if Matt Forte, Brian Urlacher, Jay Cutler, Michael Bush, and Brandon Marshall all go down for 6 weeks?

But ultimately, you're right. If you've got that many injuries, it doesn't matter who you use this on as long as they're REALLY going to be back in 6 weeks. You probably don't want to waste it on someone who's going to take a year to come back. You're going to have to manage your roster the same way, with some of those guys stashed as inactives until they heal up. You'll have to cut from areas where you have "surplus" depth and sign the depth for these positions as you need them.

First of all your number 2 is flawed. You don't have to sign anyone. You could always just activate a guy that has not been active.

For instance, if the texans thought ball could fill in for demps they could just activate Harris and not sign anyone.

But my guess is that they weren't comfortable with relying on ball or keo playing extended minutes or crunch time minutes so they went out and got a guy that knows the system already and they figured wouldn't embarrass them.

Also, your scenario has more to do with timing and length of injury than it does with the importance of the player.

Replace Matt forte or jay cutler with some back up dt that is heavy in the rotation and the situation is still the same.

Well, besides being screwed, you're going to have to make some hard decisions about who you inactivate and who you sign to the 53 to replace them.


Which further proves my point that the importance of the player has nothing to do with it. What you are describing here is how it would affect bubble players.


This rule is made to benefit the ball club so they don't have to cut anyone right away and can have an extra way to stash a player.

The importance of the player doesnt matter. They are going to be out, and then they'll come back when they can play. The end.

The Pencil Neck
10-02-2012, 09:10 PM
First of all your number 2 is flawed. You don't have to sign anyone. You could always just activate a guy that has not been active.

For instance, if the texans thought ball could fill in for demps they could just activate Harris and not sign anyone.

But my guess is that they weren't comfortable with relying on ball or keo playing extended minutes or crunch time minutes so they went out and got a guy that knows the system already and they figured wouldn't embarrass them.


They signed Nolan which indicates that they're not comfy with that.

So the question is: What's the next step? Do they cut someone or do they IR someone? Because right now, we've got 54 bodies for 53 slots.


Also, your scenario has more to do with timing and length of injury than it does with the importance of the player.

Replace Matt forte or jay cutler with some back up dt that is heavy in the rotation and the situation is still the same.


Which is why I was saying you were right.

EllisUnit
10-03-2012, 07:06 PM
We resigned Troy Nolan. I was so dissapointed and shocked when he was cut in the first place. I think he has the ability to be a starter in this league, has the speed and big play ability.

NOW hopefully he can stick with the team and we can start a healthy Safety rotation to keep all the guys fresh. I didnt worry much with Demps in, but Keo back there Scared the **** out of me. Just happy to see Nolan on the team again :).

Wolf6151
10-03-2012, 07:10 PM
^^^^My sentiments exactly.^^^^

kiwitexansfan
10-04-2012, 02:00 AM
Really comfortable bringing Nolan back and won't be worried to see him out on the field.

ObsiWan
10-04-2012, 02:22 AM
This is an if, and a big IF, but we COULD release Beck.

Since he is third string, and it wouldn't disrupt the main scheme of things.

I guess we will see.

UPDATE: I'm listening to 610 right now, they might put him on temporary IR, which means we wouldn't need to cut anybody.

Once again, we will wait until we hear a word from Texans camp.

From HT.com (http://www.houstontexans.com/team/transactions.html)...

10/03/2012Signed S Troy Nolan. Released QB John Beckhttp://www.houstontexans.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif (http://www.houstontexans.com/team/roster/john-beck/ebea9599-cef5-4b0b-af9a-26b54bf6643a/).


This makes sense because if Schaub gets injured, we can re-sign Beck immediately as a backup to Yates.

I guess we give you partial credit for calling this since you put it out there
...but not with a lot of conviction :D

TimeKiller
10-04-2012, 07:20 AM
Not a fan of this signing. Would MUCH rather have seen Pleasant or Harris get a shot.

Lurvinator11
10-04-2012, 12:07 PM
From HT.com (http://www.houstontexans.com/team/transactions.html)...


This makes sense because if Schaub gets injured, we can re-sign Beck immediately as a backup to Yates.

I guess we give you partial credit for calling this since you put it out there
...but not with a lot of conviction :D

Well I suggested that a day before he was released. That is why I quoted myself. lol

Rey
10-04-2012, 12:18 PM
We resigned Troy Nolan. I was so dissapointed and shocked when he was cut in the first place. I think he has the ability to be a starter in this league, has the speed and big play ability.

NOW hopefully he can stick with the team and we can start a healthy Safety rotation to keep all the guys fresh. I didnt worry much with Demps in, but Keo back there Scared the **** out of me. Just happy to see Nolan on the team again :).

I think I feel the same way although he let me down with his play in that last pre season game.

I don't know if he felt that he was going to be cut and just wasn't all in or what, but I have liked him a lot ever since he was in college...

No offense to Demps, but I hope Nolan (or really any of the back up safeties) takes his spot. That means that they are playing well.