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EmDiggy
09-26-2012, 11:09 AM
Texans vs Titans Video Preview (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5NuVoqUv9Y)

Good afternoon Texans fans! Good luck this week!

Em

P.S.

My bad for last week..travel schedule was all screwed up

Austrian
09-26-2012, 11:24 AM
Thanks Em

Some of us were kind of worried because you didn't show up last week.
Nice piece as usual, but come on. Suggesting that CJ1.4, Ringer and co. of the Titans even come close to the Texan's RB is preposterous. Just saying.

EmDiggy
09-26-2012, 11:56 AM
Thanks Em

Some of us were kind of worried because you didn't show up last week.
Nice piece as usual, but come on. Suggesting that CJ1.4, Ringer and co. of the Titans even come close to the Texan's RB is preposterous. Just saying.

Thanks Austrian.. I don't look at stats when breaking down personnel..I look at skill set. And I think "Skills-wise" there's talent in both teams' backfield

Dutchrudder
09-26-2012, 01:05 PM
Thanks Austrian.. I don't look at stats when breaking down personnel..I look at skill set. And I think "Skills-wise" there's talent in both teams' backfield

http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr14/themishkin/not-this-again.jpg

Seriously? What the hell man? Are you a professional troll now?

The Texans are 5th in the league in rushing per game as a team with 451 yards, the Titans are 32nd with 117.
The Texans have rushed the ball 117 times this year (1st), the Titans only 45 times (32nd).
The Texans are averaging 3.9 yards per attempt (16th), the Titans are in dead last with 2.6.
The Texans have 5 rushing TDs this year (3rd), the Titans have ZERO (32nd).

You can't get much more disparate than that. Skill or not, their O-line or their runningbacks do not deserve to be considered a wash against the Texans counterparts. Maybe you need to study up on what those advantage checkbox forms are for.

Norg
09-26-2012, 01:09 PM
did u skip the texans denver game BTW i love your videos

and i agree the titans got a pretty good oline

ObsiWan
09-26-2012, 01:17 PM
Thanks Austrian.. I don't look at stats when breaking down personnel..I look at skill set. And I think "Skills-wise" there's talent in both teams' backfield

EM, you're using "skill set" like some folks use "upside" or "potential"; neither means a damn thing unless and until they don't translate into MEASURABLE RESULTS.

Carr Bombed
09-26-2012, 01:32 PM
:backsout: WTF?

DX-TEX
09-26-2012, 01:51 PM
Thanks Austrian.. I don't look at stats when breaking down personnel..I look at skill set. And I think "Skills-wise" there's talent in both teams' backfield

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y300/MechDX/swatt.gif

TackHammer
09-26-2012, 02:08 PM
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y300/MechDX/swatt.gif

Damn Diggy!!! He pulled the WATT gif on ya!!! You know it's serious !

EmDiggy
09-26-2012, 02:27 PM
did u skip the texans denver game BTW i love your videos

and i agree the titans got a pretty good oline

Thanks Norg! I had a few speaking engagements that threw off my travel schedule...I missed 4 game previews last week

http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr14/themishkin/not-this-again.jpg

Seriously? What the hell man? Are you a professional troll now?

The Texans are 5th in the league in rushing per game as a team with 451 yards, the Titans are 32nd with 117.
The Texans have rushed the ball 117 times this year (1st), the Titans only 45 times (32nd).
The Texans are averaging 3.9 yards per attempt (16th), the Titans are in dead last with 2.6.
The Texans have 5 rushing TDs this year (3rd), the Titans have ZERO (32nd).

You can't get much more disparate than that. Skill or not, their O-line or their runningbacks do not deserve to be considered a wash against the Texans counterparts. Maybe you need to study up on what those advantage checkbox forms are for.

EM, you're using "skill set" like some folks use "upside" or "potential"; neither means a damn thing unless and until they don't translate into MEASURABLE RESULTS.

:backsout: WTF?

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y300/MechDX/swatt.gif

Texans have the best backfield since Hershel Walker & Tony Dorsett. How's that?:doot:

Clearrrrrrrrrrrrly I stated numerous times that I don't use stats when looking at personnel..Its more of a skill-set type of thing and showing where the liabilities are. And as a former RB, I know that numbers don't tell the whole story.

infantrycak
09-26-2012, 02:31 PM
Clearrrrrrrrrrrrly I stated numerous times that I don't use stats when looking at personnel..Its more of a skill-set type of thing and showing where the liabilities are. And as a former RB, I know that numbers don't tell the whole story.

Fine, putting aside the dodge of "I don't use stats," CJ has not demonstrated his skill set in the last 19 games (other than I think 1 game last season). Skill set from three seasons ago which hasn't been demonstrated since isn't a current skill set.

2012Champs
09-26-2012, 02:36 PM
Last year as well as now these seem to provide more comic relief than football insight

Errant Hothy
09-26-2012, 02:44 PM
I'm starting to get the subtle odor of troll.

b0ng
09-26-2012, 02:49 PM
You should probably look at stats occasionally when putting these together.

TheIronDuke
09-26-2012, 02:53 PM
Why look at stats when you can look at Madden ratings to get an in-depth analysis of player "skill sets?"

Actually it makes sense now, CJ500 is the fastest RB on Madden so that's all that matters. Foster's speed rating on Madden isn't as good therefore CJ>AF in the all important speed skill set.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
09-26-2012, 03:30 PM
You're saying the skill-sets of our running backs are equal so the difference must be in the offensive lines, yet you have those even as well.

SAMURAITEXAN
09-26-2012, 05:32 PM
Thank for video as always Em. I thought you had some kind of a health issue last week. Anyway, nice to see you again.

Go Texans!!!

Texn4life
09-26-2012, 05:37 PM
After seeig the third video I realize this is nothing more than comedic relief. I respect everyone's hustle though usually no matter what it is they're doing so more power to him.

Rey
09-26-2012, 07:36 PM
Thanks Norg! I had a few speaking engagements that threw off my travel schedule...I missed 4 game previews last week









Texans have the best backfield since Hershel Walker & Tony Dorsett. How's that?:doot:

Clearrrrrrrrrrrrly I stated numerous times that I don't use stats when looking at personnel..Its more of a skill-set type of thing and showing where the liabilities are. And as a former RB, I know that numbers don't tell the whole story.

Skill set????

Lemme guess...Michael Vick > Matt schaub in your world.

Kind of hard to take that analysis serious. Skill set would have Jamarcus Russell on par with Steve McNair.

I confused as to how you think that's good analysis. Maybe chris Johnson remembers who he used to be or half if who he used to be, but chris Johnson and Jevon ringer are equal to Arian foster and Ben Tate?

Even Titan fans would disagree with that.

TejasTom
09-26-2012, 08:07 PM
Thank for video as always Em. I thought you had some kind of a health issue last week. Anyway, nice to see you again.

Go Texans!!!

He obviously bumped his head, hard.

Lucky
09-26-2012, 08:35 PM
Texans have the best backfield since Hershel Walker & Tony Dorsett. How's that?

Dorsett was pretty much washed up by the time Walker was on the scene. Foster and Tate are probably the best combo since the Jags had Fred Taylor and Maurice Jones-Drew.

michaelm
09-26-2012, 08:36 PM
These previews are nothing more than hedging bets so that the reviewer can say he was right no matter which team wins.


FAIL

Scooter
09-26-2012, 08:43 PM
i'm with diggy, skill matters - results dont. jerry rice was too slow, we should give ted ginn those records. polamalu isnt big enough to be very good, from now on taylor mays is the best strong safety. jamarcus russell should be the highest paid player in football for just sitting on his couch, that dude has a cannon! schaub? noodle arm, slow, and just plain goofy looking ... david car though, that guy has a big arm, good feet and great hair - why havent we brought him in yet?

DBCooper
09-26-2012, 09:04 PM
Thanks Em, always appreciate your work.

First of all, the Oiler reference to the Titans is as offensive as it gets. Real Oiler fans hate the Titans.

Spread the 3-4? You know, the talking heads are all talking about "Revis Island" as the best defensive player in the league. The best D player right now this season is JJ Watt. And I don't care what the possums do to spread out the 3-4, JJ will be lockin up some Jake on Sunday!

Thanks man!

dc_txtech
09-26-2012, 10:21 PM
I enjoy the occasional Em Diggy video but at this point it's obvious that he is trolling Texans Talk for the hits.

Nobody who has ever watched a game of NFL football thinks that Tennessee and Houston have equal RB's and O'lines. The comment about "more of a skill set type of thing" are disingenuous at best.

infantrycak
09-26-2012, 11:36 PM
He had Bush/Thomas as a push against Foster/Tate in his Miami preview as well.

gtexan02
09-26-2012, 11:41 PM
He had Bush/Thomas as a push against Foster/Tate in his Miami preview as well.

The funny thing is that at least that comparison, while still totally flawed, actually has played out somewhat evenly. Bush has been decent this year. The miami run game has been ok.
They are ranked 4th overall, we are ranked 5th overall. The key though is they are averageing 5 yards per carry, and we are at around 4.

But the Titans? Of all the teams? The titans? Chris Johnson has the lowest ypc of any player in the NFL that receives multiple touches a game

Texanmike02
09-27-2012, 12:10 AM
I swear, when I clicked on this thread I was going to come in here and type "Texans/Titans running game is a push. Just messing with you EM, I know you know better than to write something like that

Mike"


and holy cow... he actually said it? Not sure what's a bigger disappointment this year, EM or the Saints. Was your producer caught up in bountygate or something? Should I just wait for next year?

#SeriouslyManWTFWasThat

Mike

SAMURAITEXAN
09-27-2012, 12:29 AM
He obviously bumped his head, hard.

Texas Tom, be nice to the guy. It is nice to hear non Texans fan's opinion and sometimes very informative. Although I often disagree with what Em said, it is interesting to know the 3rd party's opinion to see what other fans(Non Texans fan) think of us.

You and I included, the most of us here at TTC are well aware of how BAD ass team we got and that is enough for me. Other fans will eventually find out how good we are. I would say Non Texans fans will find out about us after SB win in February.

Go Texans!!!

Texanmike02
09-27-2012, 12:32 AM
Texas Tom, be nice to the guy. It is nice to hear non Texans fan's opinion and sometimes very informative. Although I often disagree with what Em said, it is interesting to know the 3rd party's opinion to see what other fans(Non Texans fan) think of us.

You and I included, the most of us hear at TTC are well aware of how BAD ass team we got and that is enough for me. Other fans will eventually find out how good we are. I would say Non Texans fans will find out about us after SB win in February.

Go Texans!!!

I would agree with you except that when he says stuff like that it is impossible for me to compare what he says and take it seriously. "Skill set?" Vince Young had a great skill set.

Mike

Corrosion
09-27-2012, 12:47 AM
http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr14/themishkin/not-this-again.jpg

Seriously? What the hell man? Are you a professional troll now?




Stats & W/L record - What more do you have to evaluate teams / players?!


Oh , the eyeball test ..... :smiliepalm:


Man , Im going back to believing this guy's a troll begging for clicks.

SAMURAITEXAN
09-27-2012, 12:53 AM
I would agree with you except that when he says stuff like that it is impossible for me to compare what he says and take it seriously. "Skill set?" Vince Young had a great skill set.

Mike

I hear you Mike. I just take it as no more than their opinion and just let it go when others said something incorrect. Because, we as the Texans fans know much better about our team than the others (non Texans fans). Like I said, we all know what kind of team we got this year and I just can't wait until February. We waited long enough. It is our turn to shine.

After February, I don't think not many people dare to try compare our talents to other teams talents.

Go Texans!!!

Rey
09-27-2012, 07:18 AM
The funny thing is that at least that comparison, while still totally flawed, actually has played out somewhat evenly. Bush has been decent this year. The miami run game has been ok.
They are ranked 4th overall, we are ranked 5th overall. The key though is they are averageing 5 yards per carry, and we are at around 4.

But the Titans? Of all the teams? The titans? Chris Johnson has the lowest ypc of any player in the NFL that receives multiple touches a game

Yeah and his argument was that bush, Thomas and Lamar miller were better than our top three...Lamar miller was his big sticking point and he basically said his talent far outweighed forsett's.

Only thing is Lamar miller wasn't even a top three rb for them at that point and was not even active.

And then it was "if they switched o-lines and schemes"...

Well, that made no sense either since they weren't switching olines and schemes.

Corrosion
09-27-2012, 08:57 AM
Yeah and his argument was bush

You coulda stopped right there .... :lol:

HOU-TEX
09-27-2012, 11:42 AM
Meh, guess it's a good thing I've never read/watched any of these in the past. It doesn't look like I ever will going by the posts in this thread.

:includeme:

TimeKiller
09-27-2012, 12:41 PM
I thought it was a pretty decent video. I like how you've incorporated some x's and o's on the board. If there was a way to go even further and incorporate a video of the type of plays you're talking about it would be that much better.

ObsiWan
09-27-2012, 12:46 PM
Fine, putting aside the dodge of "I don't use stats," CJ has not demonstrated his skill set in the last 19 games (other than I think 1 game last season). Skill set from three seasons ago which hasn't been demonstrated since isn't a current skill set.

Like I said, "skill sets" don't mean squat if they don't translate into real, measurable performance. Give me a guy whose EFFORT and work ethic translate to production over some guy with "skill sets" that look good in the combine or pro days. If I've got a guy with both... JACKPOT!!

Dutchrudder
09-27-2012, 01:11 PM
I thought it was a pretty decent video. I like how you've incorporated some x's and o's on the board. If there was a way to go even further and incorporate a video of the type of plays you're talking about it would be that much better.

He can't really do that though, because his videos might get DMCA'd by the NFL. They have people that troll through Youtube and similar sites making DMCA claims to force people to go to NFL.com and other sites for their content.

Speedy
09-27-2012, 01:53 PM
Thanks Austrian.. I don't look at stats when breaking down personnel..I look at skill set. And I think "Skills-wise" there's talent in both teams' backfield

Arian Foster was a UDFA, so what did that say about his "skill set"? It wasn't until he put up some "stats" that somebody said look what we've got here. At some point you have to look at a stat or it's going to appear like you don't have much of a clue, which is apparent in your videos.

That skill set vs. stats thing you keep clinging to is killing your credibility. Props to what you've got going on but I've probably seen my last of your vids.

CloakNNNdagger
09-27-2012, 02:07 PM
Why look at stats when you can look at Madden ratings to get an in-depth analysis of player "skill sets?"

Actually it makes sense now, CJ500 is the fastest RB on Madden so that's all that matters. Foster's speed rating on Madden isn't as good therefore CJ>AF in the all important speed skill set.

It's been so long, I don't know last time I remember CJ sweeping around the end for any long gain. In fact, I'm not sure that he has taken anything long in recent history. I definitely looks like he has lost his blazing speed and now is not fast enough to take it to the outside.

The Pencil Neck
09-27-2012, 02:16 PM
It's been so long, I don't know last time I remember CJ sweeping around the end for any long gain. In fact, I'm not sure that he has taken anything long in recent history. I definitely looks like he has lost his blazing speed and now is not fast enough to take it to the outside.

Against the Lions, he bounced a couple to the outside, broke into open field, and ran for <15 yards before being tackled. His first couple of years in the league, those would have been touchdowns of 40+ yards.

He's just not the same guy he was and I'm hoping he doesn't suddenly remember who he was against us this weekend.

HOU-TEX
09-27-2012, 03:39 PM
lol

http://i.imgur.com/9xgf2.gif

Dutchrudder
09-27-2012, 05:12 PM
From Walterfootball's 2013 mock draft:

3rd round pick: Tennessee Titans: Andre Ellington, RB, Clemson
Based on the way he's running the football, you'd think Chris Johnson wants to retire and join Dancing with the Stars. The Titans need to bring in someone to push him.

haha!

EmDiggy
09-28-2012, 07:12 AM
So I guess playing and coaching holds no weight anymore.. Schefter/Schein is more knowledgable about football than me I guess.. Makes complete sense. Seeing my experience doesn't matter.. I'll go start Basketball Gameplan and be an expert in something I've never done before.

infantrycak
09-28-2012, 07:25 AM
So I guess playing and coaching holds no weight anymore.. Schefter/Schein is more knowledgable about football than me I guess.. Makes complete sense. Seeing my experience doesn't matter.. I'll go start Basketball Gameplan and be an expert in something I've never done before.

Keep your thong out of your cheeks.

We tolerate and actually appreciate your providing your opinion.

We get to disagree. That simple. You're the one who pulled the superior knowledge and I cant be questioned on stats cards.

Live with what you created or bail if you can't stand the heat.

NitroGSXR
09-28-2012, 07:28 AM
Thankfully, I am Deaf and do not have to listen to the videos.

As an aside, please click the CC button in the video. You will not regret it.

EmDiggy
09-28-2012, 07:30 AM
Keep your thong out of your cheeks.

We tolerate and actually appreciate your providing your opinion.

We get to disagree. That simple. You're the one who pulled the superior knowledge and I cant be questioned on stats cards.

Live with what you created or bail if you can't stand the heat.

So I can't respond to asinine attacks on my credentials/credibility? I don't mind disagreement/debates on scheme/philosophy that's expected and comes with the territory

As far as the 'stats' argument.. Stats only tell a small portion of the story.. Stats would lead you to believe that Emmitt Smith is better than Jim Brown. Although its up to your own opinion, just using stats in that case would be misleading

infantrycak
09-28-2012, 07:54 AM
So I can't respond to asinine attacks on my credentials/credibility? I don't mind disagreement/debates on scheme/philosophy that's expected and comes with the territory

As far as the 'stats' argument.. Stats only tell a small portion of the story.. Stats would lead you to believe that Emmitt Smith is better than Jim Brown. Although its up to your own opinion, just using stats in that case would be misleading

I have not suggested in any way your right to post here will be cut off.

I personally think your stats argument is lame. Emmitt and JB are two of my favorite RB's. The stats favor each in different ways and then you have to examine when they played and how long they played. I will say if you are one of these Emmitt only thrived off of his OL people then yeah I will immediately throw anything you claim to know in the dumpster.

At the same time, continue to post your analysis. I and others appreciate it even if we disagree with it.

TheIronDuke
09-28-2012, 07:56 AM
Thanks Gang! The good thing you guys have going for you guys this week is that its a divisional opponent so the game will be close. And unlike the Jags & Colts, you guys have talent to actually pull off the upset. I think it will come down to controlling the clock so the RBs will have to step up. The way to stop a rusher like Watt is to run right at him

http://www.gotitans.com/threads/football-gameplans-2012-wk-4-titans-vs-texans-video-preview.84388/page-2

This is your post on the titans board, I really do hope they decide to run right at Watt.

EmDiggy
09-28-2012, 08:17 AM
http://www.gotitans.com/threads/football-gameplans-2012-wk-4-titans-vs-texans-video-preview.84388/page-2

This is your post on the titans board, I really do hope they decide to run right at Watt.

That's the best way to stop pressure.. You have to make a pass rusher be a run defender.. The pass rusher may be just as good at stopping the run, but I would much rather have him do that than getting after the QB.

Thanks for doing the research and finding that!

EmDiggy
09-28-2012, 08:18 AM
I have not suggested in any way your right to post here will be cut off.

I personally think your stats argument is lame. Emmitt and JB are two of my favorite RB's. The stats favor each in different ways and then you have to examine when they played and how long they played. I will say if you are one of these Emmitt only thrived off of his OL people then yeah I will immediately throw anything you claim to know in the dumpster.

At the same time, continue to post your analysis. I and others appreciate it even if we disagree with it.

No Prob Cap'n! I actually enjoy back and forth banter

2012Champs
09-28-2012, 08:24 AM
http://www.gotitans.com/threads/football-gameplans-2012-wk-4-titans-vs-texans-video-preview.84388/page-2

This is your post on the titans board, I really do hope they decide to run right at Watt.




Feels like more trolling

Jackie Chiles
09-28-2012, 08:29 AM
Oh come on people, he's not a troll. He just has a different (maybe a bit crazy) viewpoint.

Em, I get the feeling sometimes that its not so much that you don't like the players but our running scheme. Do you buy into the school of thought that this Denver based ABS is 70% scheme 30% running back talent? If so what would change your mind cause I really think these guys are more talented than you are giving them credit for.

EmDiggy
09-28-2012, 08:46 AM
Oh come on people, he's not a troll. He just has a different (maybe a bit crazy) viewpoint.

Em, I get the feeling sometimes that its not so much that you don't like the players but our running scheme. Do you buy into the school of thought that this Denver based ABS is 70% scheme 30% running back talent? If so what would change your mind cause I really think these guys are more talented than you are giving them credit for.

Thanks JC! I'm conflicted when its about scheme/system... Although it helps, it ultimately depends on the the talent in it. For instance, there's a difference between Terrell Davis, Arian Foster, Clinton Portis as opposed to Olandis Gary, Mike Anderson, Mike Bell and Ben Tate. Exceptional talent in the right system will put up numbers like the first group of backs and solid talent will put up yards like the latter.

What the ZBS RB HAS to have is acceleration and above-average field vision. Just like some backs need to be told what hole to go to.. the ZBS RB just needs a landmark hence (Inside/Outside Zone)

2012Champs
09-28-2012, 08:49 AM
Thanks JC! I'm conflicted when its about scheme/system... Although it helps, it ultimately depends on the the talent in it. For instance, there's a difference between Terrell Davis, Arian Foster, Clinton Portis as opposed to Olandis Gary, Mike Anderson, Mike Bell and Ben Tate. Exceptional talent in the right system will put up numbers like the first group of backs and solid talent will put up yards like the latter.

What the ZBS RB HAS to have is acceleration and above-average field vision. Just like some backs need to be told what hole to go to.. the ZBS RB just needs a landmark hence (Inside/Outside Zone)



In truth though numbers dont really matter, its more about potential than results

Texn4life
09-28-2012, 08:54 AM
In truth though numbers dont really matter, its more about potential than results

I know a guy who had the talent to be great in the NFL, but he got caught up in drugs. So in a matchup between him and Arian I'd say its a wash.

EmDiggy
09-28-2012, 09:03 AM
In truth though numbers dont really matter, its more about potential than results

Nice

I know a guy who had the talent to be great in the NFL, but he got caught up in drugs. So in a matchup between him and Arian I'd say its a wash.

Try... but


http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/cYuvmwqI2Tv5rxP.gif

Texn4life
09-28-2012, 09:08 AM
Try... but


http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/cYuvmwqI2Tv5rxP.gif

You just don't know. In the Texans ZBS this guy would run for 3000 yards. You better recognize!

The Pencil Neck
09-28-2012, 09:09 AM
So I can't respond to asinine attacks on my credentials/credibility? I don't mind disagreement/debates on scheme/philosophy that's expected and comes with the territory

As far as the 'stats' argument.. Stats only tell a small portion of the story.. Stats would lead you to believe that Emmitt Smith is better than Jim Brown. Although its up to your own opinion, just using stats in that case would be misleading

First off, a "classic" logical fallacy is the Argument from Authority. "I know more than you do therefore you're wrong." Just because you've been something doesn't mean you're right. It gives you perspective and insight and that's it.

And there's a HUGE difference between "the stats only tell a small portion" and "numbers always lie." Numbers don't lie, people do. Numbers don't mislead, people do. People use numbers to show one thing or another. The numbers are what they are.

One of the huge flaws in what you're doing (and that started this whole thing) is that you're comparing group to group. That's a totally irrelevant comparison. Who's the better Running Back? Who has the better defensive line? Doesn't matter. What matters is the running attack of Team A vs. the Defense against the run of Team B or the passing attack vs. the pass defense. That's what matters. Who's going to win and why, that's what matters.

But who has the better running back is just mental masturbation. Reggie Bush's talent level and skill set means jack if it's not used to win the game. If he's in New Orleans and they've got him sitting on the sidelines in short yardage situations, the fact he COULD break a long run is irrelevant.

You lost me as a viewer as soon as you started comparing the talent levels of Bush and Foster. You lost all credibility. Cause it doesn't matter what your experience is if you not giving me something useful or informative.

EmDiggy
09-28-2012, 09:26 AM
First off, a "classic" logical fallacy is the Argument from Authority. "I know more than you do therefore you're wrong." Just because you've been something doesn't mean you're right. It gives you perspective and insight and that's it.

And there's a HUGE difference between "the stats only tell a small portion" and "numbers always lie." Numbers don't lie, people do. Numbers don't mislead, people do. People use numbers to show one thing or another. The numbers are what they are.

One of the huge flaws in what you're doing (and that started this whole thing) is that you're comparing group to group. That's a totally irrelevant comparison. Who's the better Running Back? Who has the better defensive line? Doesn't matter. What matters is the running attack of Team A vs. the Defense against the run of Team B or the passing attack vs. the pass defense. That's what matters. Who's going to win and why, that's what matters.

But who has the better running back is just mental masturbation. Reggie Bush's talent level and skill set means jack if it's not used to win the game. If he's in New Orleans and they've got him sitting on the sidelines in short yardage situations, the fact he COULD break a long run is irrelevant.

You lost me as a viewer as soon as you started comparing the talent levels of Bush and Foster. You lost all credibility. Cause it doesn't matter what your experience is if you not giving me something useful or informative.

Okay

beerlover
09-28-2012, 10:22 AM
Okay

Maybe if you define your opinion of "skill-set" when it comes to RB position.

Texan fans feel that you are slighting their RB's because of OL & run blocking scheme. The Titans OL is no chopped liver either as they lead league in pass pro, so they can control line of scrimmage to a high level as well. That's a push.

As a fan of RB's how can anyone in the league even compare to Arian Fosters skill set- production, athletic & big play ability, leadership/character, balance, power, ability to run after the catch, yards after contact, blocker, vision etc....

Chris Johnson was a phenomenal talent, but it's been two years since he flashed that explosive power & elusiveness. I remember him from scouting him during his college days @ ECU so familiar w/his "skill-set" last 6 years but he never, despite early production, looked like a durable, franchise RB on the road to Canton unlike Arian Foster.

There is a kid playing right now with the Oregon Ducks, named De'Anthony Thomas, closest thing I've seen since to CJ. Explosive speed, ability to cut-back on a dime & fearlessness to run between the tackles, yet nobody strikes me as the next AF. :)

Corrosion
09-28-2012, 10:23 AM
Okay

Thats all you got ?


I have to admit , you never had me as a viewer .... but this thread will make sure you never have me as a viewer .... I wont support you with clicks.

EmDiggy
09-28-2012, 10:36 AM
Maybe if you define your opinion of "skill-set" when it comes to RB position.

Texan fans feel that you are slighting their RB's because of OL & run blocking scheme. The Titans OL is no chopped liver either as they lead league in pass pro, so they can control line of scrimmage to a high level as well. That's a push.

As a fan of RB's how can anyone in the league even compare to Arian Fosters skill set- production, athletic & big play ability, leadership/character, balance, power, ability to run after the catch, yards after contact, blocker, vision etc....

Chris Johnson was a phenomenal talent, but it's been two years since he flashed that explosive power & elusiveness. I remember him from scouting him during his college days @ ECU so familiar w/his "skill-set" last 6 years but he never, despite early production, looked like a durable, franchise RB on the road to Canton unlike Arian Foster.

There is a kid playing right now with the Oregon Ducks, named De'Anthony Thomas, closest thing I've seen since to CJ. Explosive speed, ability to cut-back on a dime & fearlessness to run between the tackles, yet nobody strikes me as the next AF. :)

Thanks Beerlover! I'll go further into explaining in the next video. Youtube's max time limit is what kills me from going even more in-depth..that and the fact that I have to film & edit all these vids.. But most definitely will explain more of how I came up with the personnel breakdown

EmDiggy
09-28-2012, 10:37 AM
Thats all you got ?


I have to admit , you never had me as a viewer .... but this thread will make sure you never have me as a viewer .... I wont support you with clicks.

You've never had me as a responder to your posts but after this post I'll make sure not to respond to any more posts that you make about my posts

HJam72
09-28-2012, 10:42 AM
I'm not responding to anybody's posts about any of these posts....except this time. :kitten:

Dutchrudder
09-28-2012, 10:43 AM
Thanks Beerlover! I'll go further into explaining in the next video. Youtube's max time limit is what kills me from going even more in-depth..that and the fact that I have to film & edit all these vids.. But most definitely will explain more of how I came up with the personnel breakdown

Youtube's base limit for videos is 15 minutes, and you can make it much higher (10 hours I think), if you verify your account. Feel free to take all the time you need to explain how the Oline and Runningbacks are a push.

I also suggest that you add a check box for special teams. If there's one area that the Titans clearly have an advantage, it's special teams.

False Start
09-28-2012, 10:43 AM
:backsout:

EmDiggy
09-28-2012, 10:47 AM
Youtube's base limit for videos is 15 minutes, and you can make it much higher (10 hours I think), if you verify your account. Feel free to take all the time you need to explain how the Oline and Runningbacks are a push.

I also suggest that you add a check box for special teams. If there's one area that the Titans clearly have an advantage, it's special teams.

Yep its 15 mins..but I film in HD, so my videos push the limit of the GB space.. I think its 2GB. The videos where its strictly voiceovers I can go 15 mins.. but videos where I'm actually on camera I can mayyyyybe squeeze out 9:30.. I try to find an efficient & happy medium to maximize the amount of videos I can edit/upload in a day

Texanmike02
09-28-2012, 11:11 AM
Maybe if you define your opinion of "skill-set" when it comes to RB position.

Texan fans feel that you are slighting their RB's because of OL & run blocking scheme. The Titans OL is no chopped liver either as they lead league in pass pro, so they can control line of scrimmage to a high level as well. That's a push.

As a fan of RB's how can anyone in the league even compare to Arian Fosters skill set- production, athletic & big play ability, leadership/character, balance, power, ability to run after the catch, yards after contact, blocker, vision etc....

Chris Johnson was a phenomenal talent, but it's been two years since he flashed that explosive power & elusiveness. I remember him from scouting him during his college days @ ECU so familiar w/his "skill-set" last 6 years but he never, despite early production, looked like a durable, franchise RB on the road to Canton unlike Arian Foster.

There is a kid playing right now with the Oregon Ducks, named De'Anthony Thomas, closest thing I've seen since to CJ. Explosive speed, ability to cut-back on a dime & fearlessness to run between the tackles, yet nobody strikes me as the next AF. :)

For me it isn't that he is slighting anyone, it is that he just seems to be wrong. I went back and looked at a few of his videos and honestly, he doesn't seem to want to anger any fan bases. I can understand that position because he seems to give every team something to hang their hat on. It is as if we were playing the worst team in the league, rather than finding that they have a better lighting system in the stadium he will manufacture something to which he can point to and say "I don't hate you guys, I pointed out something you do well". The only reason I would watch somebody do something like that is if I think I can learn something. This is two weekends in a row that he has told us that our RB corps (who top to bottom is the BEST in the league) are on par with two struggling teams. He doesn't argue the numbers he argues some kind of "observation" that he claims to have made that we aren't capable of making because we haven't "been" what he has been. Hell, he doesn't even tell us what it is. "Skill set"? You mean that Johnson can use a circular saw better than Foster? If he had perhaps defined it as "quick to the hole" or "Quick in quick out" or "better patience", I might be able to go with it. Instead we get "better skill set". Really? Bush would work well in a zone system? No, he wouldn't. Johnson would do better? The only thing Johnson does well is get to the edge and then get up field. Now he doesn't get to the edge.

I've just figured out that there isn't much for me to learn from him. I can't trust what he says so I'm just going to stop visiting. Glad you make your videos, you have either the time or the motivation that I don't to make these videos. I respect you for putting the work in but I view your contribution to be negligible.

Mike

Corrosion
09-28-2012, 01:37 PM
For me it isn't that he is slighting anyone, it is that he just seems to be wrong. I went back and looked at a few of his videos and honestly, he doesn't seem to want to anger any fan bases. I can understand that position because he seems to give every team something to hang their hat on. It is as if we were playing the worst team in the league, rather than finding that they have a better lighting system in the stadium he will manufacture something to which he can point to and say "I don't hate you guys, I pointed out something you do well". The only reason I would watch somebody do something like that is if I think I can learn something. This is two weekends in a row that he has told us that our RB corps (who top to bottom is the BEST in the league) are on par with two struggling teams. He doesn't argue the numbers he argues some kind of "observation" that he claims to have made that we aren't capable of making because we haven't "been" what he has been. Hell, he doesn't even tell us what it is. "Skill set"? You mean that Johnson can use a circular saw better than Foster? If he had perhaps defined it as "quick to the hole" or "Quick in quick out" or "better patience", I might be able to go with it. Instead we get "better skill set". Really? Bush would work well in a zone system? No, he wouldn't. Johnson would do better? The only thing Johnson does well is get to the edge and then get up field. Now he doesn't get to the edge.

I've just figured out that there isn't much for me to learn from him. I can't trust what he says so I'm just going to stop visiting. Glad you make your videos, you have either the time or the motivation that I don't to make these videos. I respect you for putting the work in but I view your contribution to be negligible.

Mike

Many of us here in this forum have played highschool and college sports .... tho a few were back in the stone age , that doesnt change the fact that we have just as good an understanding - If not better due to much longer experiences - as he believes he does.

This dude doesnt do his homework with stats .... thats flat out being lazy IMO. Thats like building something without measuring - Measure twice , cut once.
He's just begging for clicks to generate income and not doing a very good job of it.

DX-TEX
09-28-2012, 01:43 PM
Wonder what the comments will be next week aginst the Jets....."Put Tebow in the Texans system and he is just as good as Schaub."?

Texn4life
09-28-2012, 01:57 PM
Many of us here in this forum have played highschool and college sports .... tho a few were back in the stone age , that doesnt change the fact that we have just as good an understanding - If not better due to much longer experiences - as he believes he does.

This dude doesnt do his homework with stats .... thats flat out being lazy IMO. Thats like building something without measuring - Measure twice , cut once.
He's just begging for clicks to generate income and not doing a very good job of it.

Can you imagine a legitimate analyst using those lame arguments and reasoning? They would get laughed off of TV. Good thing these are hidden on youtube.

DBCooper
09-28-2012, 02:09 PM
These attacks on Em are just wrong.

Agree with him or disagree with him, at least he has the balls to go out and produce something that is not from the East Coast machine of "legitimate" analysts.

Texn4life
09-28-2012, 02:15 PM
These attacks on Em are just wrong.

Agree with him or disagree with him, at least he has the balls to go out and produce something that is not from the East Coast machine of "legitimate" analysts.

Legitimate was a poor choice of wording. What I meant is a more recognizable analyst meaning one that is seen on tv. My opinion of his reasoning being lame still stands though.

2012Champs
09-28-2012, 02:19 PM
These attacks on Em are just wrong.

Agree with him or disagree with him, at least he has the balls to go out and produce something that is not from the East Coast machine of "legitimate" analysts.



If he had the balls to produce it then he has to have the balls to take the attacks because of his silly comments

ESAD2-14
09-28-2012, 02:21 PM
These attacks on Em are just wrong.

Agree with him or disagree with him, at least he has the balls to go out and produce something that is not from the East Coast machine of "legitimate" analysts.

My thoughts exactly. Em has been coming here for a few years and has always been cordial in his approach. I don't agree with him that the Titans RB's and Texans RB's are a push by any stretch of the imagination, but it's no reason to get butt hurt about his analysis. Hell, out of all the video he has provided the Dolphins and Titans analysis from this year are the first two that I can remember anyone having issues of this magnitude. Plus he actually posts and interacts with the board as opposed to just linking his videos. Last time I checked no one is correct 100% of the time anyway. But I do think that further explanation is due when saying that the Texans RB's are equivalent to the Titans RB's, CJ401k is no where near the complete back that AF or Tate are.

DBCooper
09-28-2012, 02:25 PM
Legitimate was a poor choice of wording. What I meant is a more recognizable analyst meaning one that is seen on tv. My opinion of his reasoning being lame still stands though.

I'm betting that comment is close to what the blowhards at the chronicle have said about our beautiful miss Stephanie.

Take on his points. Don't attack the man.

Corrosion
09-28-2012, 02:26 PM
These attacks on Em are just wrong.

Agree with him or disagree with him, at least he has the balls to go out and produce something that is not from the East Coast machine of "legitimate" analysts.

Whats wrong with calling it how you see it ? When the truth is wrong .... Our world is too PC.


He isnt really analizing anything .... since he doesnt use stats. Whats he producing ? An opinion .... based upon what ?! The eyeball test ?!


Measure twice - Cut once.


he actually posts and interacts with the board as opposed to just linking his videos.

He didnt do that until I called him on it .... but I give him credit for making the neccessary change there.

Maybe he'll do the same with the stats issue.

ObsiWan
09-28-2012, 02:31 PM
I have not suggested in any way your right to post here will be cut off.

I personally think your stats argument is lame. Emmitt and JB are two of my favorite RB's. The stats favor each in different ways and then you have to examine when they played and how long they played. I will say if you are one of these Emmitt only thrived off of his OL people then yeah I will immediately throw anything you claim to know in the dumpster.

At the same time, continue to post your analysis. I and others appreciate it even if we disagree with it.

This.

Texanmike02
09-28-2012, 03:08 PM
Can you imagine a legitimate analyst using those lame arguments and reasoning? They would get laughed off of TV. Good thing these are hidden on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hv2jqFd2-qI

Mike

Texn4life
09-28-2012, 03:30 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hv2jqFd2-qI

Mike

I will say this about Skip Bayless. Skip will use stats and facts to back up his argument. The problem with him is he picks and chooses the stats he likes and ignores the rest when they're used against him. The fact that someone reputable would say "stats lie" in a debate is almost as laughable as it gets to me. Em may be a nice guy and I'm not saying anything personally against him, but I just can't take his opinion seriously.

When GM's go to evaluate players for the draft they won't just throw their numbers and production out of the window. It won't be their only source for evaluation, but they won't just dismiss it either. I'd love to hear a GM come out before the draft and say "stats lie". If that's the case every prospect who has ever had talent needs to come out and say, "Screw my stats Rick Smith! Look at my 40 time homie! I run a 4.3 in the 40 and a 4.0 in the shuttle. Check out the potential! You're worried about the wrong things. Who cares if I've never rushed for 50 yards in a a game or 700 yards in a season!"

Another thing..... if Em has any aspirations of advancing and taking his craft to the next level then criticism will follow. Is it always fair? No, but it comes with the territory. If I put out a product and want people to support it and it doesn't meet a certain standard then I will be criticized for it. No one has called him any derogatory names or called his mother fat or anything.

C Madd
09-28-2012, 07:40 PM
Even though I may disagree with the running back statement, I appreciate the videos, Em. Keep doing your thing, man.

Fred
09-28-2012, 09:21 PM
EM, you're using "skill set" like some folks use "upside" or "potential"; neither means a damn thing unless and until they don't translate into MEASURABLE RESULTS.

I have used the "skill set" technique to identify the greatest Houston players of all time.

Greatest Rocket Ever: Ralph Sampson (this is easy!)
Greatest Astro Ever: Eric Anthony

and

Greatest Texan Ever: (tie) David Carr and Tony Hollings

Texans have the best backfield since Hershel Walker & Tony Dorsett. How's that?:doot:

Clearrrrrrrrrrrrly I stated numerous times that I don't use stats when looking at personnel..Its more of a skill-set type of thing and showing where the liabilities are. And as a former RB, I know that numbers don't tell the whole story.

Here are backfields that were better than Walker + Dorsett:

Don Perkins + Walt Garrison
Calvin Hill + Walt Garrison
Calvin Hill + Duane Thomas
Duane Thomas + whatever stiff came after Calvin Hill
Tony Dorsett before Hershel Walker
Hershel Walker when Tony Dorsett wasn't in the way
Emmitt Smith

And that is only from one team - the same team that Walker + Dorsett played for.

So I guess playing and coaching holds no weight anymore.. Schefter/Schein is more knowledgable about football than me I guess.. Makes complete sense. Seeing my experience doesn't matter.. I'll go start Basketball Gameplan and be an expert in something I've never done before.

Actually Schefter/Schein are more knowledgeable about football than you.

I am looking forward to your basketball videos where I am sure we will all learn that Kobe Bryant vs Kevin Martin is a "wash".

As far as the 'stats' argument.. Stats only tell a small portion of the story.. Stats would lead you to believe that Emmitt Smith is better than Jim Brown. Although its up to your own opinion, just using stats in that case would be misleading

Jim Brown - averaged over 1 TD and over 100 yard per game for his entire career.

Emmitt Smith - (being nice and throwing out his time with the Cardinals) about 0.8 TDs and 90 yards per game.

I think stats support my contention that Jim Brown is the greatest RB in the history of the game.

I think Emmitt Smith is an interesting one. Not vs Jim Brown. But vs Barry Sanders. As a skills guy you probably think Sanders was better. As a person likes winning and winning championships I'll take Emmitt Smith.

Texn4life
09-28-2012, 09:38 PM
You guys are being mean! Why bring logic and facts to the table when you can just throw out a blanket statement to support your side?...... Not fair at all!

I'm starting to like Em's logic a little. Jamarcus Russell and Ryan Leaf were 2 of the greatest greatest QBs to ever play in the league. Lets ignore their stats and focus on their talent. Both guys had rocket arms and put the ball on the money. It might have been on the money to the other team, but it doesn't matter because "stats lie" so that is irrelevant. I think Em should be an agent to be honest with you. If he could sell that then he could stand to make a crap load of money.

Norg
09-29-2012, 02:01 AM
Did AJ play aganist the titans last year wk17 if not this will be the first time in a year AJ has played the titans and who will vcover him now since Cortland is gone ???

Norg
09-29-2012, 02:20 AM
so are the texans wearing there blue jerseys this game ... or there white ones ???

beerlover
09-29-2012, 02:27 AM
EmDiggy is having another strong run, whether here or not :barman:

Lucky
09-29-2012, 04:01 AM
These attacks on Em are just wrong.

Correct. Discussing the merits of Emory's opinions is fair game. Calling him a troll is not.
No one has called him any derogatory names or called his mother fat or anything.
Yeah, they have. And it's uncalled for. Emory has been posting here for almost 3 years and his contribution is and has been welcome. Do I agree with everything he has said or written? No. But he's not a troll and he deserves the same consideration as any other poster on this board.

Texn4life
09-29-2012, 04:16 AM
Correct. Discussing the merits of Emory's opinions is fair game. Calling him a troll is not.

Yeah, they have. And it's uncalled for. Emory has been posting here for almost 3 years and his contribution is and has been welcome. Do I agree with everything he has said or written? No. But he's not a troll and he deserves the same consideration as any other poster on this board.

Gotcha, yeah I can understand the troll thing and even though I didn't address him as that I can see how that could be derogatory. Actually I'm still not quite sure what a troll is. I keep thinking of little people hiding under a bridge every time I hear that.

I've tried my best to simply address his point of view in this thread which I think is wack. Now I'm under the assumption that is well within the rules of this forum.

Lucky
09-29-2012, 04:27 AM
Gotcha, yeah I can understand the troll thing and even though I didn't address him as that I can see how that could be derogatory. Actually I'm still not quite sure what a troll is. I keep thinking of little people hiding under a bridge every time I hear that.
An internet troll comes onto a board with the intent to create conflict. We've had our share of trolls here. Some members here with over 10k posts will occasionally troll (IMO). Emory is not trolling. I believe that he believes what he is saying.

I've tried my best to simply address his point of view in this thread which I think is wack. Now I'm under the assumption that is well within the rules of this forum.
Totally, and that's a big part of why we're here. Who wants a big love fest? This board is best with a variety of well formed opinions. That's why I come here.

Texn4life
09-29-2012, 04:46 AM
An internet troll comes onto a board with the intent to create conflict. We've had our share of trolls here. Some members here with over 10k posts will occasionally troll (IMO). Emory is not trolling. I believe that he believes what he is saying.


Totally, and that's a big part of why we're here. Who wants a big love fest? This board is best with a variety of well formed opinions. That's why I come here.

Understood on both points, and yeah I do agree that he really does believe what he is saying. (well kind of) It's kind of hard to wrap my mind around someone thinking that talent is a push in the Running Back department in this game. He had a better argument in the Miami game than this one, but Ringer better than or even with Tate? And then I don't even know who their 3rd running back is. Old Em's perspective has me seriously scratching my head.

I've even tried to get on his level in a sense in trying to understand what he's saying. I have a close friend who's a scout in the league so I know that when they discuss players they will talk about all kinds of things physically, attitude wise, etc before going into their stats and production. But at the end of the day if those other attributes don't translate into production then they will pass on them. So I get what he's trying to say somewhat, but his argument falls short at the end. I was in sales for years, and I knew a lot of guys who could role play their butts off and had everything I wish I had. But when they got into the field and the bullets were flying couldn't get it done. While the situations are different they are similar in a lot of ways. Production is supposed to matter in the real world. That includes football, baseball, and any other sport.

Speedy
09-29-2012, 09:52 AM
An internet troll comes onto a board with the intent to create conflict. We've had our share of trolls here. Some members here with over 10k posts will occasionally troll (IMO). Emory is not trolling. I believe that he believes what he is saying.


Totally, and that's a big part of why we're here. Who wants a big love fest? This board is best with a variety of well formed opinions. That's why I come here.

Then spammer would fit better than troll. True, he does and has contributed here for 3 years, but only when pimping his product.

And as I said earlier, props to him for what he's got going. But with it comes criticism. If you don't want a big love fest here, why should you expect it for him? I don't care if he continues to post his stuff here or not. I don't have to check it out and I won't. IMO, he's not a very good analyst.

281
09-29-2012, 09:56 AM
so are the texans wearing there blue jerseys this game ... or there white ones ???

http://www.houstontexans.com/gameday/uniform-combinations.html

Blue.

The Pencil Neck
09-29-2012, 11:09 AM
Then spammer would fit better than troll. True, he does and has contributed here for 3 years, but only when pimping his product.

And as I said earlier, props to him for what he's got going. But with it comes criticism. If you don't want a big love fest here, why should you expect it for him? I don't care if he continues to post his stuff here or not. I don't have to check it out and I won't. IMO, he's not a very good analyst.

^^^ Exactly this.

When he first started posting his videos (or when I first saw them, at least), I was a little surprised that no one jumped on this guy for being a spammer. Because that's what he is. He's not bad about it. But he's coming here asking for views and clicks. And he goes to a bunch of other boards for different teams for the same thing. He doesn't take part in the forum in any other way.

By definition, that's a spammer.

He's working hard trying to build himself up as a kind of alternative to NFL Playbook or something. And that's cool. You've got to start somewhere. And, spammer or not, I gave him my support. Every week, I watched his Texans video. I never felt compelled to watch any of his videos on the other teams because I never felt like I learned anything useful from watching his videos about the Texans.

To make his way in that field, he needs to start delivering something. He's either got to be more informative or more entertaining and right now, he's not bringing it.

And then this whole talent/skill set thing came up and he started using the "Numbers Always Lie" slogan and for me, he lost all credibility. So he's lost my support. I haven't watched any of his videos since the Dolphins video and I won't watch any more of his videos for the foreseeable future.

Scooter
09-29-2012, 01:08 PM
arian foster - averaging 98 yards per game
chris johnson - doesnt have 98 total yards

ben tate - 106 yards, 2 TD's
titans team - 117 yards, 0 TD's

titan's leading rusher - jake locker with 67 yards.


definitely a push.

Lucky
09-29-2012, 01:27 PM
Then spammer would fit better than troll.
I think that is over the top. Yes, he only replies to posts in his threads. But, he doesn't just post links and leave. This is the only forum of any kind I am on. This takes up all of my time available for internet chat. Emory is on what, at least 32 forums? Maybe more? I think he probably posts here as much as anywhere.

BTW, I haven't given him a free pass on criticism. I let him know that his comparison of the Dolphins and Texans backfield was a crock. And admittedly, I haven't watched all of Emory's videos. Or most of them. I probably peeked at his draft videos more than anything. He has put together some pretty good clips on prospects I might have never seen.

So, IMO, I think Emory has brought some value to this board. I don't believe the terms troll or spammer fit. Is Lance Zierlein a spammer when he comes into the forum and posts his links? No, he is welcomed with open virtual arms. As he should be. And his opinions have not gone unchallenged.

Anyway, I applaud Emory's effort even if I don't agree with his analysis. I've learned some things from his contributions and maybe, just maybe, he has learned something from ours. That's the way it should be, right?

2012Champs
09-29-2012, 05:40 PM
Then spammer would fit better than troll. True, he does and has contributed here for 3 years, but only when pimping his product.

And as I said earlier, props to him for what he's got going. But with it comes criticism. If you don't want a big love fest here, why should you expect it for him? I don't care if he continues to post his stuff here or not. I don't have to check it out and I won't. IMO, he's not a very good analyst.



Spammer would fit a lot better than troll very good point