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TejasTom
09-25-2012, 02:03 PM
Tania Ganguli is reporting the Jets signed Jonathan Grimes off our practice squad

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Seņor Stan
09-25-2012, 02:04 PM
Dang it!!!

HOU-TEX
09-25-2012, 02:10 PM
Hmm, geee, I wonder why. Rexxxy, you're soo sneaky.

Jackie Chiles
09-25-2012, 02:11 PM
Hmm, geee, I wonder why. Rexxxy, you're soo sneaky.

Using that roster spot from Revis I would imagine (although I assume you are pointing to us playing them in a couple weeks). Hopefully we can get him back at some point. They had put a claim on him earlier but it was conditional I believe so the interest has been there.

Playoffs
09-25-2012, 02:22 PM
Won't see him in a Texan uniform again.

badboy
09-25-2012, 02:23 PM
uh, oh. Ben Tate is smiling like a doggy with a big pork chop.

Ryan
09-25-2012, 02:25 PM
uh, oh. Ben Tate is smiling like a doggy with a big pork chop.


You lost me.

Vinny
09-25-2012, 02:26 PM
Hmm, geee, I wonder why. Rexxxy, you're soo sneaky.I've been following the Jets RB situation and Shonn Green has no long speed and looks sluggish and their back ups are expansion quality. Grimes is a definite upgrade. He's gonna get some carries...you can bet on that.

HOU-TEX
09-25-2012, 02:30 PM
I've been following the Jets RB situation and Shonn Green has no long speed and looks sluggish and their back ups are expansion quality. Grimes is a definite upgrade. He's gonna get some carries...you can bet on that.

Probably, after they've held him in a room for a few hours breaking down our offense. Ha

Ryan
09-25-2012, 02:39 PM
Probably, after they've held him in a room for a few hours breaking down our offense. Ha


"Uh, I run the ball that way on that play and Coach Kubiak told me not to f*ck it up"

Seriously doubt a practice squad rookie RB knows our offense as well as even Rex Ryan who's played us twice.

HOU-TEX
09-25-2012, 02:44 PM
"Uh, I run the ball that way on that play and Coach Kubiak told me not to f*ck it up"

Seriously doubt a practice squad rookie RB knows our offense as well as even Rex Ryan who's played us twice.

Maybe not, but I have no doubt they'll grill him anyways. Either way, we should be the crap out of them and I'll be giddy watchin Rex pout afterwards.

Doppelganger
09-25-2012, 02:57 PM
Probably, after they've held him in a room for a few hours breaking down our offense. Ha

Isn't our offense pretty obvious?

1) The Texans like to run the ball...a lot. They are effective at one cut and go running.

2) The Texans like to use playaction pass and will pass the ball down the field or will use shorter routes.

3) The Texans play a 3-4/4-3 1 gap hybrid defense and generally man coverage.

What are they really going to learn that they can't see on film and that which is not obvious?

Thorn
09-25-2012, 03:01 PM
Why do people always bring this up when someone is signed away from us? They didn't sign Grimes to get our playbook, they signed Grimes because they need help at the RB position.

I knew this would happen. Grimes showed to much stuff in pre-season for someone hurting at RB to not sign him.

TimeKiller
09-25-2012, 03:16 PM
Someone like Nolan to the Dolphins....maybe a playbook signing.

Grimes is too talented for BS.

Vinny
09-25-2012, 03:19 PM
Unless Grimes can tell Rex how to rebuild Revis Island...the Jets are effed anyway. No more ultra-aggressive defense with an elite corner shutting down one side of the field. It's up to Sanchez and Tebow now.

Thorn
09-25-2012, 03:21 PM
It's up to Sanchez and Tebow now.

If that's true, then you almost have to feel sorry for them. :lol:

badboy
09-25-2012, 03:27 PM
You lost me.There has been at least one lengthy thread about trading Tate. Some including me have said Grimes could be part of Foster/Fossett/Grimes in 2013. Removal of Grimes puts a bit more weight into keeping Tate thru his last contract year 2013.

Doppelganger
09-25-2012, 03:29 PM
Someone like Nolan to the Dolphins....maybe a playbook signing.

Grimes is too talented for BS.

I see that differently. Nolan played in the system, played against the offense and was on the team for years. Grimes just came by. I seriously doubt he can give them very much useful info.

Doppelganger
09-25-2012, 03:32 PM
Unless Grimes can tell Rex how to rebuild Revis Island...the Jets are effed anyway. No more ultra-aggressive defense with an elite corner shutting down one side of the field. It's up to Sanchez and Tebow now.

Remember a couple of seasons ago the Jets fans were drooling with the thoughts of signing Aso and having Aso on one side and Revis on the other. Remember how disappointed they were when they settled for Cromartie? Now its Cromartie and Kyle Wilson.

Vinny
09-25-2012, 03:44 PM
It's up to Sanchez and Tebow now.

If that's true, then you almost have to feel sorry for them. :lol: Someone needs to photoshop them into Batman and Robin. I think Tebow is Batman and Sunchips is Robin. I know it's kinda bassackwards, but it works for me.

Dutchrudder
09-25-2012, 03:53 PM
Isn't our offense pretty obvious?

1) The Texans like to run the ball...a lot. They are effective at one cut and go running.

2) The Texans like to use playaction pass and will pass the ball down the field or will use shorter routes.

3) The Texans play a 3-4/4-3 1 gap hybrid defense and generally man coverage.

What are they really going to learn that they can't see on film and that which is not obvious?

It's not just the types of plays, the Jets want our signal calls at the line, names of audibles, names of fake audibles, etc etc. There is a lot of coding that goes on when the QB is under center and yelling out colors, numbers and such. That is information that is difficult to decode from film, and it can be much easier to understand if you have a translator available. Now whether or not Grimes knows these things, or knows the current signals is another story, but if the Jets really wanted this info I would have expected them to sign Keenum.

I think they are simply a team hurting at RB, and they want to try him out. It's a cheap trial at about 21k a game. They can cut him in 3 weeks if he sucks.

Dutchrudder
09-25-2012, 03:55 PM
Unless Grimes can tell Rex how to rebuild Revis Island...the Jets are effed anyway. No more ultra-aggressive defense with an elite corner shutting down one side of the field. It's up to Sanchez and Tebow now.

Well now I think we will get to see if the Texans should have gone with Kyle Wilson instead of Kareem Jackson. I expect him to be in their rotation at the #2 CB spot. It will be interesting to see him go against Walter, Martin, Posey and Daniels.

Vinny
09-25-2012, 04:17 PM
Well now I think we will get to see if the Texans should have gone with Kyle Wilson instead of Kareem Jackson. I expect him to be in their rotation at the #2 CB spot. It will be interesting to see him go against Walter, Martin, Posey and Daniels.
He's been a disappointment but like Jackson, he's improved as he has matured. Who I think will be exploited by Kubiak is Ellis Lankster, who moves to the nick. I read somewhere that with Revis they give up 55% completion rate and without him its 65% and 3 more ypc (or something close to those figures).

Doppelganger
09-25-2012, 04:49 PM
He's been a disappointment but like Jackson, he's improved as he has matured. Who I think will be exploited by Kubiak is Ellis Lankster, who moves to the nick. I read somewhere that with Revis they give up 55% completion rate and without him its 65% and 3 more ypc (or something close to those figures).

The Big 3 of that draft class were Devin McCourty, Kyle Wilson, and Kareem Jackson. I personally preferred McCourty becuase I saw him as a physical man corner and Wilson more as a zone specialist. At the I ranked Jackson as #3 overall becuase he was not really great at either. I had him as a nickle corner due to a lack of make up speed.

Of the big 3 only Jackson was asked to start right away and he got burnt more than Mr. Buchanan...well maybe not that much but it was still bad. Neither McCourty or Wilson were asked to start and instead provided nickle and dime coverage. Fast forward a couple of seasons and Wilson really hasn't developed as expected. A case could be made that Jackson has outplayed Wilson last year and the begining of this year. McCourty on the other hand has looked solid. While he has not looked elite, he looks like an average starting NFL cornerback.

If the Jets are smart they will try to help their young CB with safety help. This will leave large parts of the other side of the field open to Daniels, Walter, and Foster/Tate. If the Texans can establish that run game, it will force the other safety to play in tight opening up the middle of the field.

Ole Miss Texan
09-25-2012, 04:55 PM
Hmm, geee, I wonder why. Rexxxy, you're soo sneaky.

Well I guess it makes sense, Kubiak did always say that Grimes had great feet...

msbbc833
09-25-2012, 04:58 PM
I really hate the Jets. Does anyone remember at the end of the 2009 season when we were fighting for a playoff spot and needed the Jets to win? I felt like they purposely lost to screw us.

Porky
09-25-2012, 05:32 PM
Grimes is a decent Zone scheme RB prospect, but let's not get carried away about this loss.

He wasn't going to crack the rotation here for like......ever. Let the man have a shot with a more RB poor team. Sorry we lost him, but he should be excited about the opportunity there.

Rey
09-25-2012, 05:40 PM
Damn....

I liked Grimes a lot and many here know I wanted him on the roster...but oh well...At least we still have Keo!!!

Dutchrudder
09-25-2012, 05:45 PM
I really hate the Jets. Does anyone remember at the end of the 2009 season when we were fighting for a playoff spot and needed the Jets to win? I felt like they purposely lost to screw us.

You have that backwards. The Jets were the 7-7 team going into the final weeks who needed to win out and hope that other games and tiebreakers broke their way to make it in. The Colts and then the Bengals laid down in the final two weeks to let them into the playoffs instead of the Texans.

infantrycak
09-25-2012, 05:51 PM
Of the big 3 only Jackson was asked to start right away and he got burnt more than Mr. Buchanan...well maybe not that much but it was still bad. Neither McCourty or Wilson were asked to start and instead provided nickle and dime coverage.

McCourty was not intended to start his rookie season but due to injuries he started all 16 games his rookie season.

RagingBull
09-25-2012, 06:15 PM
Why do people always bring this up when someone is signed away from us?

I think it is from what happened with the Giants when Rosenfels was there and we got absolutely murdered and it was pretty obvious that they knew all of our snap counts and audibles and what not. Obviously, that was our backup QB, though, and unlikely to happen again with a PS running back.

GP
09-25-2012, 07:04 PM
Who cares if he shares info? He's just a rookie UDFA.

I'm mad that we let a GOOD prospect go. He was the one guy I was worried about getting signed off our squad.

Then again, doesn't he have the chance to see what Houston would offer (to surpass the Jets' offer and stay with us, continent upon being signed to our active 53)? I am thinking he can sign with any team, so why not sign with us?

If so, it means we didn't want him ($$$$) as badly as the Jets did, or he just felt he can go be with a team who wanted him bad enough to claim him off a practice squad.

No matter what, I felt he had great potential here. Sucks, tbh.

GP
09-25-2012, 07:05 PM
I think it is from what happened with the Giants when Rosenfels was there and we got absolutely murdered and it was pretty obvious that they knew all of our snap counts and audibles and what not. Obviously, that was our backup QB, though, and unlikely to happen again with a PS running back.

Bingo. That game, I still remember it...there was like NOTHING positive that we could do that game. It was the first time I remember thinking "****, it's no use. They sniffing out everything we try to do."

It was miserable. Then there's Sage Rosenfels over there with the clipboard and cap on, yeah...I wonder how we got owned on every single freaking offensive play we attempted??? LOL. Hmm.....

76Texan
09-25-2012, 07:29 PM
The Big 3 of that draft class were Devin McCourty, Kyle Wilson, and Kareem Jackson. I personally preferred McCourty becuase I saw him as a physical man corner and Wilson more as a zone specialist. At the I ranked Jackson as #3 overall becuase he was not really great at either. I had him as a nickle corner due to a lack of make up speed.

Of the big 3 only Jackson was asked to start right away and he got burnt more than Mr. Buchanan...well maybe not that much but it was still bad. Neither McCourty or Wilson were asked to start and instead provided nickle and dime coverage. Fast forward a couple of seasons and Wilson really hasn't developed as expected. A case could be made that Jackson has outplayed Wilson last year and the begining of this year. McCourty on the other hand has looked solid. While he has not looked elite, he looks like an average starting NFL cornerback.

If the Jets are smart they will try to help their young CB with safety help. This will leave large parts of the other side of the field open to Daniels, Walter, and Foster/Tate. If the Texans can establish that run game, it will force the other safety to play in tight opening up the middle of the field.

McCourty was burned left and right last year.
He's getting better, but still was behind the eight ball quite a bit (in each of the 3 games so far this year) despite the fact that the Pats play a majority of the time with 2-deep safeties.

In his rookie year, the Pats played mostly 2-deep cover to protect McCourty.
When they started to ask him to do more than a cover two corner later in the year, his weakness started to show.

It continued into his second year, after which he made ProFootball Focus list of one-thousand-yard donor (yard giving up to the opponents).

In the Ravens game this past week, Collingsworth called his (and the safety) tackling effort on a TD run after the catch "pathetic".

Here's an excerpt from a newspaper article:

"Just 22 games ago he was the player around whom the Patriots hoped they could build their secondary, but he has regressed from a ball-hawking rookie to a burnt-regularly veteran who teams no longer need to fear in coverage, and barely even have to respect."

The details of his latest adventure can be found here:

http://www.unionleader.com/article/20120925/SPORTS0401/709259955

Brisco_County
09-25-2012, 09:08 PM
Grimes will look good compared to the rest of those Jets runners. He has a real chance there. I was counting on him being in our rotation after Ben Tate gets a starter's contract elsewhere.

cland
09-25-2012, 09:39 PM
With the quality of our roster we'll have to get used to teams poaching some talented prospects from the team. As long as Smith keeps on drafting great it will happen every year.

GP
09-25-2012, 09:44 PM
With the quality of our roster we'll have to get used to teams poaching some talented prospects from the team. As long as Smith keeps on drafting great it will happen every year.

Grimes wasn't drafted, which makes this so much harder to take.

We got Grimes as an undrafted free agent (rookie) and I love the idea of getting the next Arian Foster for basically free--No draft pick, and low contract amount. Not saying Grimes is the next Foster...just saying that Grimes was a guy who could have been in at RB2 or RB3 at some point in the future, IMO.

This is a first, though: Teams know we know how to find talented RBs...so they will sit back and let us do the work. Sure, the OL and the scheme and everything around the team is what helps makes our RBs good, but still...teams are going to snag our PS RBs quite a bit for the next several years I'm afraid.

But hey, we kept Keo (a 4th string Safety and ST player) so it's all good. Keo is a roster spot killer, #$%@!

Texan_Bill
09-25-2012, 09:46 PM
With the quality of our roster we'll have to get used to teams poaching some talented prospects from the team. As long as Smith keeps on drafting great it will happen every year.

That's an extemely good thing!! When other teams start to poach your players, that means you have really nice depth!!! Losing Grimes (and I hate that we did) is equivalent of "you have good talent""!! I'm stoked!!!!

The Pencil Neck
09-25-2012, 10:00 PM
That's an extemely good thing!! When other teams start to poach your players, that means you have really nice depth!!! Losing Grimes (and I hate that we did) is equivalent of "you have good talent""!! I'm stoked!!!!

Exactly. As good as Grimes was (or could have been), he wasn't better than the guy who's our 3rd RB. And now he's on the Jets roster and given how those guys have been running (29th in y/a, 17th in total yards), you've got to imagine he'll at least get a few carries.

Although I would have expected them to just demote Shonn Greene at this point and start giving more chances to Joe McKnight and Bilal Powell. And... checking the news... looks like they are looking at promoting Powell, at least. (http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/jets/2012/09/with-shonn-greene-struggling-bilal-powell-or-joe-mcknight-may-get-early-touches?page=1) It's looking like maybe McKnight isn't panning out.

I wish Grimes all the luck in the world except when he's playing us.

Rey
09-25-2012, 10:06 PM
Why couldn't it be some other tram besides the jets?

I'm upset that we lost him period, but to the jets?

RagingBull
09-25-2012, 11:34 PM
Bingo. That game, I still remember it...there was like NOTHING positive that we could do that game. It was the first time I remember thinking "****, it's no use. They sniffing out everything we try to do."

It was miserable. Then there's Sage Rosenfels over there with the clipboard and cap on, yeah...I wonder how we got owned on every single freaking offensive play we attempted??? LOL. Hmm.....

Heh, what do you wanna bet Sage got a game ball for that performance...

RagingBull
09-25-2012, 11:37 PM
Why couldn't it be some other tram besides the jets?

I'm upset that we lost him period, but to the jets?

At least it wasn't to the Dolts or the Tit's

beerlover
09-26-2012, 01:44 AM
I liked Grimes, seemed like a hard runner with good hands. I don't see him succeeding in NY however that team is a mess, just put 8 in the box & dare Mark/Tim to beat you vertically.

GP
09-26-2012, 10:15 AM
Heh, what do you wanna bet Sage got a game ball for that performance...

Exactly! LOL.

And NFLN should have had him as a guest analyst, breaking down the plays with Baldinger there with him.

"So in this package, they tend to do this play...and if it's a hard snap count then it switches to another play like this one here..."

Bastard.

Playoffs
09-26-2012, 01:23 PM
Nick Scurfield ‏@NickScurfield
Texans sign rookie RB Davin Meggett to practice squad to replace Jonathan Grimes

ObsiWan
09-26-2012, 01:27 PM
I've been following the Jets RB situation and Shonn Green has no long speed and looks sluggish and their back ups are expansion quality. Grimes is a definite upgrade. He's gonna get some carries...you can bet on that.

hmmm... you make an interesting point here, Vinny.
I might have to make a fantasy football move.
:hmmm:

rmartin65
09-26-2012, 01:57 PM
Nick Scurfield ‏@NickScurfield

Signing Meggett is a good move. I liked him a lot during the last college football season, and I liked what I saw in the very limited viewing of him in preseason.

He should push for a roster spot next year.

The Pencil Neck
09-26-2012, 03:48 PM
I just saw that the Jets are moving Joe McKnight to CB.

That can't be right, can it? Your best option as a backup CB, out of all the CBs that have to be on practice squads, is your backup RB? And so you sign a RB from another team's practice squad to take his place?

The mind wobbles.

TejasTom
09-26-2012, 04:00 PM
I just saw that the Jets are moving Joe McKnight to CB.

That can't be right, can it? Your best option as a backup CB, out of all the CBs that have to be on practice squads, is your backup RB? And so you sign a RB from another team's practice squad to take his place?

The mind wobbles.

Can he cover Andre Johnson?

The Pencil Neck
09-26-2012, 04:03 PM
Can he cover Andre Johnson?

No, they've got Cromar... uh... Lankst... uhm... Wilso...

I'm sorry, what was the question?

WolverineFan
09-26-2012, 04:13 PM
I just saw that the Jets are moving Joe McKnight to CB.

That can't be right, can it? Your best option as a backup CB, out of all the CBs that have to be on practice squads, is your backup RB? And so you sign a RB from another team's practice squad to take his place?

The mind wobbles.

That's what I've heard as well. Keep in mind he was projected as a CB in college until his senior year and was "supposedly" recruited as a CB by LSU but went to USC to play RB.

I think Powell will be taking over for Green soon and they need another guy for depth with McKnight moving over. That would be Grimes.

Don't really understand why they can't get a guy off the street though. Rex probably thinks he can turn him into Sam Shields 2.0

ChampionTexan
09-26-2012, 04:20 PM
I just saw that the Jets are moving Joe McKnight to CB.

That can't be right, can it? Your best option as a backup CB, out of all the CBs that have to be on practice squads, is your backup RB? And so you sign a RB from another team's practice squad to take his place?

The mind wobbles.

Sounds like Rex is stealing from the Bill Belichick school of defensive backfield management.

GP
09-26-2012, 04:35 PM
Signing Meggett is a good move. I liked him a lot during the last college football season, and I liked what I saw in the very limited viewing of him in preseason.

He should push for a roster spot next year.

Not hammering you on this one, but would just like to say that Meggett is such a steep drop off from Grimes. In fact, Grimes--in my opinion and in Rey's too--was maybe even better (overall, measured many ways) than Forsett. Maybe the veteran aspect & the blocking aspect Forsett is better at...but running the ball? Grimes was on a different level than Forsett IMO.

It's suckening (new word I just invented) that Grimes got away from us.

michaelm
09-26-2012, 04:47 PM
I've been following the Jets RB situation and Shonn Green has no long speed and looks sluggish and their back ups are expansion quality. Grimes is a definite upgrade. He's gonna get some carries...you can bet on that.

100% agreed Vinny.

I'll wager a cold beer that Jonathan Grimes starts for the Jets at some point this season.

Fantasy owners, stash him on your IR or bench if you have room. Y'all can bookmark this prediction and mock me mercilessly if am am wrong.

The Pencil Neck
09-26-2012, 04:53 PM
100% agreed Vinny.

I'll wager a cold beer that Jonathan Grimes starts for the Jets at some point this season.

Fantasy owners, stash him on your IR or bench if you have room. Y'all can bookmark this prediction and mock me mercilessly if am am wrong.

With how Shonn Greene has been playing, I wouldn't be that surprised. If Grimes picks up the playbook and can block worth a damn, I'd drop Greene to the 3rd back and go with Powell as the #1 and Grimes as the #2. If something happens to Powell, then it's Grimes' time to shine.

michaelm
09-26-2012, 05:00 PM
With how Shonn Greene has been playing, I wouldn't be that surprised. If Grimes picks up the playbook and can block worth a damn, I'd drop Greene to the 3rd back and go with Powell as the #1 and Grimes as the #2. If something happens to Powell, then it's Grimes' time to shine.

In my opinion, Grimes would put up Tate numbers if he was RB2 on our squad.
Yeah, I like the kid that much.

rmartin65
09-26-2012, 05:02 PM
Not hammering you on this one, but would just like to say that Meggett is such a steep drop off from Grimes. In fact, Grimes--in my opinion and in Rey's too--was maybe even better (overall, measured many ways) than Forsett. Maybe the veteran aspect & the blocking aspect Forsett is better at...but running the ball? Grimes was on a different level than Forsett IMO.

It's suckening (new word I just invented) that Grimes got away from us.

No worries GP. I just happen to disagree with you (and, undoubtedly, countless others).

I will admit to under-rating Grimes out of college. He did prove that he has a lot of talent, and that he belongs on the team. And I, like you (and Rey, and countless others) thought he would make the 53. I too liked Grimes better than Forsett.

However, I dont think that Meggett is much worse than Grimes. He is a natural runner, has good lower body strength, and is a willing blocker. Like I said, I think he makes the roster next year, if not at the end of this year if someone gets injured (knock on wood that it does not happen).

Playoffs
09-26-2012, 06:06 PM
...Grimes--in my opinion and in Rey's too--was maybe even better (overall, measured many ways) than Forsett...

It's suckening (new word I just invented) that Grimes got away from us.

Yes, totally suckens. :pissed:

76Texan
09-26-2012, 10:37 PM
No worries GP. I just happen to disagree with you (and, undoubtedly, countless others).

I will admit to under-rating Grimes out of college. He did prove that he has a lot of talent, and that he belongs on the team. And I, like you (and Rey, and countless others) thought he would make the 53. I too liked Grimes better than Forsett.

However, I dont think that Meggett is much worse than Grimes. He is a natural runner, has good lower body strength, and is a willing blocker. Like I said, I think he makes the roster next year, if not at the end of this year if someone gets injured (knock on wood that it does not happen).

I'm with rmartin on this one.
Pre-training camp, I liked Meggett a little better than Grimes.

I thought Grimes ran "a little upright" in college (not that the style can't be successful in the NFL - see Eric Dickerson - whom I saw play at SMU; he was a couple years younger than me.)

There wasn't much tapes of Grimes to evaluate his blockings.

I liked what I saw of Meggett in college, including his blocking skills.

Grimes showed very well in PS though, better than Meggett, but neither was used much in blocking so we can't tell hardly anything about that part.

He didn't run upright during PS as I thought he would.
Perhaps he took in Dickerson's advice by heart "I run upright when I see daylight" (but not in traffic).

Playoffs
10-31-2012, 01:45 PM
Jets waive RB Jonathan Grimes... (http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2012/10/jets_waive_rb_jonathan_grimes.html)

Nick Scurfield ‏@NickScurfield
Kubiak: "Have to wait and see" if #Texans try to sign RB Jonathan Grimes. Texans liked him in preseason

Big Lou
10-31-2012, 02:37 PM
Jets waive RB Jonathan Grimes... (http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2012/10/jets_waive_rb_jonathan_grimes.html)

Nick Scurfield ‏@NickScurfield

Wow the Jets should have kept him and given him a try at QB...

HOU-TEX
10-31-2012, 03:41 PM
Guess Mister wasn't doing very well at all on STs

Tania Ganguli‏@taniaganguli

The #Texans released Mister Alexander to add Grimes.

Rey
10-31-2012, 03:49 PM
good ****...

Big grimes fan in our system. I wanted him over Forsett, not that Forsett sucks...

Grimes was also really good on coverage units. Good move.

ChampionTexan
10-31-2012, 03:53 PM
Guess Mister wasn't doing very well at all on STs

This drops the # of ILB's on the roster to 3 (Bradie, Dobbins, and Ruud). I wonder if there's anything regarding the expectation for Sharpton to be read into this.

Rey
10-31-2012, 03:54 PM
Nading has played some ILB in base sets...

The Pencil Neck
10-31-2012, 03:56 PM
I like Grimes and want him on our team but... Mister Alexander?

That probably means some combination of:
1) Mister wasn't playing well on ST.
2) Sharpton is closer than we've been told.
3) We've got some other solution at ILB (like Reed).

I'm sorry to see Mister Alexander go.

ChampionTexan
10-31-2012, 03:57 PM
Nading has played some ILB in base sets...

Not arguing, I'm just going be the depth chart the Texans are using (and the fact that Nading's listed position is "OLB" as opposed to "ILB" or simply "LB".

The Pencil Neck
10-31-2012, 03:58 PM
Nading has played some ILB in base sets...

Ah. Yeah. Forgot about Nading.

The Pencil Neck
10-31-2012, 03:59 PM
Not arguing, I'm just going be the depth chart the Texans are using (and the fact that Nading's listed position is "OLB" as opposed to "ILB" or simply "LB".

They had Nading playing some ILB even during the preseason. So he's got more experience with it than the other OLBs.

Bleed_Blu_Red
10-31-2012, 04:37 PM
With the release of Mister looks like Sharpton should be good to go by next week.

Heath Shuler
10-31-2012, 04:52 PM
I wonder how hurt Tate is?

CloakNNNdagger
10-31-2012, 05:13 PM
With the release of Mister looks like Sharpton should be good to go by next week.

Not necessarily so. Grimes was a very good ST player in the preseason........and they need that extra RB because there seems to be much doubt about Tate's return date.

Texn4life
10-31-2012, 05:58 PM
Not necessarily so. Grimes was a very good ST player in the preseason........and they need that extra RB because there seems to be much doubt about Tate's return date.

Grimes should be a big boost to our Special Teams. Good call on that one.

Playoffs
10-31-2012, 06:04 PM
Grimes back in the fold, all is right with the world. :D

GP
10-31-2012, 06:05 PM
good ****...

Big grimes fan in our system. I wanted him over Forsett, not that Forsett sucks...

Grimes was also really good on coverage units. Good move.

Just now seeing the news.

Really glad Kubiak brought him back.

Thorn
10-31-2012, 06:06 PM
Grimes back in the fold, all is right with the world. :D

Where did you see this?

GP
10-31-2012, 06:09 PM
Where did you see this?

Hou-Tex saw the tweet from that ex-Jaguars writer chick who writes Texans stuff now.

It's a few posts down in this thread.

Is your scroll finger broken, old man? I kid, I kid....LOL.

Thorn
10-31-2012, 06:29 PM
Hou-Tex saw the tweet from that ex-Jaguars writer chick who writes Texans stuff now.

It's a few posts down in this thread.

Is your scroll finger broken, old man? I kid, I kid....LOL.

LOL, don't make me start cussin'

SAMURAITEXAN
10-31-2012, 07:05 PM
LOL, don't make me start cussin'

Ha ha come down Thorn. 61 yrs old aint that old.

Texan_Bill
10-31-2012, 08:10 PM
I am very cool with this. I hated to see Grimes signed to the Jets from the Texans practice squad! Welcome back!!!

TimeKiller
11-01-2012, 07:14 AM
Yeah I was in favor of him over Forsett in the PS. I thought he moved like a smaller, lighter Foster through traffic. He also made a few plays on teams, which Alexander did not. I think this is the guy we lost to keep Holliday, what a mistake that was! Glad to have him back and I think we'll probably see him carry once or twice too!

Insideop
11-01-2012, 07:40 AM
Maybe they put Mister back on the PS. Don't know if he has any PS time left or if they even have a spot for him.

bhsman
11-01-2012, 08:25 AM
Grimes was pretty nice in the preseason, and if this means we get to see Reed play some more ILB then I'm all for it.

The latter literally makes me giddy as the prospect. :doot: Especially if it means Mercilus sees more snaps.

beerlover
11-01-2012, 10:04 AM
Yeah I was in favor of him over Forsett in the PS. I thought he moved like a smaller, lighter Foster through traffic. He also made a few plays on teams, which Alexander did not. I think this is the guy we lost to keep Holliday, what a mistake that was! Glad to have him back and I think we'll probably see him carry once or twice too!

I just wish Grimes was a little bigger & could also fill FB position, would make him a little safer.

Texan fans are going to be impressed with Forsett when he gets his reps especially catching out of the backfield.

In defense of ILB Mister Alexander, I don't think ILB was his natural position. I'm not sure why he wasn't trying to fit here @ OLB & kick Nading inside from the beginning. He just doesn't have core strength you look for inside but outside he has a nice combination of speed, length & looks rangy. His long history of injury's (knee) may have robbed him of some of that natural explosiveness/speed needed off the edge?

This comes full circle with Ben Tate, who has been injury prone since drafted by the Texans. He needs to find a way to stay healthy period or his future here will be short & sweet.

El Tejano
11-01-2012, 11:36 AM
My thing with Tate is that he's good until he fumbles. Then he's a totally different RB for weeks. This on top of the injuries.

GP
11-01-2012, 12:34 PM
Funny how Kubiak mouths off AFTER he was able to sign Grimes back.

Until he had that leverage, he wasn't going to say anything about Ben Tate's supposed "problem staying on the field" issue. Now that he has Foster, Forsett and Grimes...he's using that against Ben to make sure Ben doesn't sandbag it or something.

I remember Tate had to have a sit down with Kubiak a year or so ago when Tate was on/off the field a bit in preseason...and Tate, IIRC, freely made it known that he had gone to Kubiak and told coach that he (Tate) was dedicated to making sure he was on the field and not in the tub.

So there's something that is going on, obviously, that is not quite sitting right with Gary Kubiak. I just don't know that he needs to be THAT obvious about it. He was not just blunt, he was outright questioning Tate with those comments. IMO. Ouch. That's not what this locker room needs, or maybe it does? I dunno.

SAMURAITEXAN
11-01-2012, 03:08 PM
Funny how Kubiak mouths off AFTER he was able to sign Grimes back.

Until he had that leverage, he wasn't going to say anything about Ben Tate's supposed "problem staying on the field" issue. Now that he has Foster, Forsett and Grimes...he's using that against Ben to make sure Ben doesn't sandbag it or something.

I remember Tate had to have a sit down with Kubiak a year or so ago when Tate was on/off the field a bit in preseason...and Tate, IIRC, freely made it known that he had gone to Kubiak and told coach that he (Tate) was dedicated to making sure he was on the field and not in the tub.

So there's something that is going on, obviously, that is not quite sitting right with Gary Kubiak. I just don't know that he needs to be THAT obvious about it. He was not just blunt, he was outright questioning Tate with those comments. IMO. Ouch. That's not what this locker room needs, or maybe it does? I dunno.

We may be ending up trading Tate after this season. Or, Kubiak is just trying to motivate Tate? Sometimes he does things like this as Kubiak expects good effort from a certain player.

CloakNNNdagger
11-01-2012, 03:20 PM
We may be ending up trading Tate after this season. Or, Kubiak is just trying to motivate Tate? Sometimes he does things like this as Kubiak expects good effort from a certain player.

Usually during OTAs or preseason, though.

SAMURAITEXAN
11-01-2012, 03:50 PM
Usually during OTAs or preseason, though.

You are right Doc. The Texans need his performance along with Foster as we are looking at post season and do not want to over use Foster. With Tate, our running game won't miss much beat. So naturally Kubiak wants Tate's max effort from him. If not, like I said earlier in my post that we may have to trade him while he still has some value. Hopefully, Tate able to come back from injury and learn how to play through injury if that injury is playable one.

Go Texans!!!

kiwitexansfan
11-02-2012, 04:29 AM
It was nice to see Grimes so excited to be back with the team.

Speaks volumes for the organization.

welsh texan
11-02-2012, 08:24 AM
This is very good news indeed. Also think the successful return of Braman from injury has led to Alexander being gone, he's an outside guy who's already good enough to be worked into the rotation on the outside, freeing them up to use Nading inside a little more, and possibly work on sets where Reed plays inside too.

I don't really see it as saying anything about Sharpton though, I think the signing of Ruud probably says more against Sharpton returning than getting rid of Mister Alexander says for that happening. I think they'll probably add him to the roster and see if he can get practicing in time to play late season and become an option in the playoffs.

I wonder who'll go to make that happen? Think a young CB may be in the firing line as the numbers game doesn't add up and no-one seems to be making any impresson even in late game second string reps or even on special teams.

ObsiWan
11-04-2012, 07:57 AM
Funny how Kubiak mouths off AFTER he was able to sign Grimes back.

Until he had that leverage, he wasn't going to say anything about Ben Tate's supposed "problem staying on the field" issue. Now that he has Foster, Forsett and Grimes...he's using that against Ben to make sure Ben doesn't sandbag it or something.

I remember Tate had to have a sit down with Kubiak a year or so ago when Tate was on/off the field a bit in preseason...and Tate, IIRC, freely made it known that he had gone to Kubiak and told coach that he (Tate) was dedicated to making sure he was on the field and not in the tub.

So there's something that is going on, obviously, that is not quite sitting right with Gary Kubiak. I just don't know that he needs to be THAT obvious about it. He was not just blunt, he was outright questioning Tate with those comments. IMO. Ouch. That's not what this locker room needs, or maybe it does? I dunno.

GP this ain't a new thing.

I remember him cutting Darius Walker when Walker seemed (to Kubiak anyway) that he thought he should have been drafted higher because he was high on the Notre Dame RB ydg list. Walker even admitted -after he was recalled to the team - that was a wake-up call.

Kubiak did the same thing with Ron Dayne; essentially telling him Houston was his last chance and he had better learn to play hurt. The next game Dayne carried us to our first win against the Manning Colts. Of course Dayne couldn't sustain it but he was noticably better the rest of that season.

Then, in I think the last preseason game of '09, he basically told Jerrimiah Johnson and Arian Foster they were fighting for the last RB spot behind Slaton and whatshisname. Johnson showed nothing and was cut. Foster showed a little but was last on the depth chart. It took him most of the next season to show he belonged. The "light" came on in Foster and the rest is history.

Point is, this is Kubiak's M.O. He will not tolerate any form of slacking and lets them know it. So, again, this ain't a new thing. You will conduct yourself the McBob way and perform the Wade-iak way which means playing thru little "nicks" and stuff - or you will hit the street.

GP
11-04-2012, 08:17 AM
GP this ain't a new thing.

I remember him cutting Darius Walker when Walker seemed (to Kubiak anyway) that he thought he should have been drafted higher because he was high on the Notre Dame RB ydg list. Walker even admitted -after he was recalled to the team - that was a wake-up call.

Kubiak did the same thing with Ron Dayne; essentially telling him Houston was his last chance and he had better learn to play hurt. The next game Dayne carried us to our first win against the Manning Colts. Of course Dayne couldn't sustain it but he was noticably better the rest of that season.

Then, in I think the last preseason game of '09, he basically told Jerrimiah Johnson and Arian Foster they were fighting for the last RB spot behind Slaton and whatshisname. Johnson showed nothing and was cut. Foster showed a little but was last on the depth chart. It took him most of the next season to show he belonged. The "light" came on in Foster and the rest is history.

Point is, this is Kubiak's M.O. He will not tolerate any form of slacking and lets them know it. So, again, this ain't a new thing. You will conduct yourself the McBob way and perform the Wade-iak way which means playing thru little "nicks" and stuff - or you will hit the street.

He didn't do or say anything significantly cutting/harsh toward any of those players in the seasons they played.

This is the first time Kubiak has openly criticized a running back in the media, in the middle of a regular season, and basically hinting that the guy isn't as banged up as the player is claiming. Claiming he's not nicked up enough to be out of practice.

They're no other reason he'd say THOSE comments in regards to an injury. He's never, in my memory, questioned any other player's toughness that way before.