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NastyNate
09-24-2012, 05:18 AM
Not even questionable, our running game was on fire with him in. He needs to start.

kiwitexansfan
09-24-2012, 05:25 AM
I think Ben Jones might be the player that I always hoped Antione Caldwell would become.

NastyNate
09-24-2012, 05:33 AM
He did get moved back a good 6 yards on the Tate running play in the first quarter, I'd have to revisit the game tape to determine the exact play, but every other play he was very good at sealing his block.

otisbean
09-24-2012, 07:09 AM
He looked terrific for most of the game. Great pick up by the Texans.

eriadoc
09-24-2012, 10:45 AM
I think Ben Jones might be the player that I always hoped Antione Caldwell would become.

This. I can't express how disappointed I am in Caldwell. I have only noticed Jones a few times int he run game, burying people. How has he looked on pass plays? Maybe that's why he isn't playing full time yet?

False Start
09-24-2012, 10:51 AM
I'm with you man. This guy may turn out to be "that guy" that is the surprise of this year's draft.

76Texan
09-24-2012, 12:26 PM
Not so fast!

I've always said that I like Ben Jones better as a prospect out of college, but Caldwell's play shouldn't lose him his job yet.

We scored 24 points with Caldwell in the game and 7 with Ben Jones.

Both had a few subpar plays and it should continue to be a good battle to watch.

Ii will depend on how fast Ben Jones can improve; let's hope he can improve sooner rather than later (or slowly or not at all).

Doppelganger
09-24-2012, 01:37 PM
Not so fast!

I've always said that I like Ben Jones better as a prospect out of college, but Caldwell's play shouldn't lose him his job yet.

We scored 24 points with Caldwell in the game and 7 with Ben Jones.

Both had a few subpar plays and it should continue to be a good battle to watch.

Ii will depend on how fast Ben Jones can improve; let's hope he can improve sooner rather than later (or slowly or not at all).

I think Jones will continue to improve and will be an OG starter next year. Hopefully big Brandon Brooks can get up to speed and be ready to start next year. Having an interior line of Jones, Myers, and Brooks would be absolutely filthy.

Jackie Chiles
09-24-2012, 01:50 PM
I haven't watched that spot closely but I will point out the only time Caldwell stuck out to me was on the Kevin Walter TD. He gets pushed back about 10 feet and the defender is just using him for a punching bag. Watch him closely on that play, it looks like he just wilts, he might have been yelling "uncle."

eriadoc
09-24-2012, 02:39 PM
If you go back and watch the Schaub INT, Ben Jones is in at RG on that play and he puts his guy on the ground. I just happened to notice it after I asked about his pass pro upthread.

beerlover
09-24-2012, 02:43 PM
Jones evaluation as starting RG material should be conclusive starting next week against the Titans.

getball2dre
09-24-2012, 02:45 PM
I have been very impressed with Jones so far. He's a little undersized for a guard, but he definitely uses it to his advantage to get to the 2nd level so quickly.

NastyNate
09-24-2012, 03:58 PM
Not so fast!

I've always said that I like Ben Jones better as a prospect out of college, but Caldwell's play shouldn't lose him his job yet.

We scored 24 points with Caldwell in the game and 7 with Ben Jones.

Both had a few subpar plays and it should continue to be a good battle to watch.

Ii will depend on how fast Ben Jones can improve; let's hope he can improve sooner rather than later (or slowly or not at all).

We also coughed up the ball when Caldwell got beat to the inside on his block and stripped Tate. Neither was perfect but I believe Ben Jones is the better option.

Fili
09-24-2012, 04:12 PM
He is a monster. Holds the block and opens up a huge hole.

GP
09-24-2012, 04:15 PM
It looked like, on that play, that the DL had stuck his hand into the gut of Tate and basically was able to disrupt Tate's attempt to secure the ball with both hands/arms.

So for me, I blame the OL for missing that assignment so quickly. Great play by the DL, no doubt, but the OL was not helping matters for us.

NastyNate
09-24-2012, 04:40 PM
Caldwell also got destroyed on the third and 3 that would have finished out the game in the 4th quarter, not even close. Looks to try and cut block and whiffs.

steelbtexan
09-24-2012, 06:38 PM
I think Jones will continue to improve and will be an OG starter next year. Hopefully big Brandon Brooks can get up to speed and be ready to start next year. Having an interior line of Jones, Myers, and Brooks would be absolutely filthy.

This is what I hope the interior of the OL looks like after next yr.

Provided Jones and Brooks keep improving and play up to their talent level.

Hopefully, Brooks is spending this yr learning what it takes to be a pro OL. (Not just talent, which he's loaded with. But discipline and healthy eating habits)

76Texan
09-24-2012, 10:43 PM
Once again, I had said during the draft season that I like Ben Jones better than Caldwell as a prospect. I also like Brandon Brooks for the long term better than Caldwell.

But one look at the number of snaps each players played and grade them on each.
Ben also had some poor plays.
He had not done enough to unseat Caldwell from the starting spot, IMHO.

It's all good.
Before the season starts, a few posters didn't think Kubiak will alternate players.
I disagreed.
I didn't see either Newton or Butler as lock; I didn't see either Caldwell or Brooks as lock.
I "promised" that Ben Jones is the heir apparent to Myers at Center (I never said the same thing about Caldwell back then when he was drafted - and Myers wasn't as good then as he is today), but I also believed that he (BJ) can fit well at Guard.
I was glad to see him playing multi-positions in the PS (and did well).

badboy
09-24-2012, 11:05 PM
Now hold on right there! Sounds like this thread has been saying our Oline guys are rotating. I got clobbered preseason talking about rotating on the offensive line. Castigated I was. "32 NFL teams do not rotate Oline" so why would I even suggest that a rotation would be considered? Dline yes but how dare I suggest an Oline rotation? Wish I could find that thread so I could have a bit of cold revenge. WHAHAHA

GP
09-24-2012, 11:45 PM
Now hold on right there! Sounds like this thread has been saying our Oline guys are rotating. I got clobbered preseason talking about rotating on the offensive line. Castigated I was. "32 NFL teams do not rotate Oline" so why would I even suggest that a rotation would be considered? Dline yes but how dare I suggest an Oline rotation? Wish I could find that thread so I could have a bit of cold revenge. WHAHAHA

Rep your way. Good call.

Brisco_County
09-25-2012, 12:48 AM
Finding this kind of value late in the draft is how winning teams are made. I'm really happy with this kid so far.

jahunter221
09-25-2012, 12:48 AM
Look ben jones WILL be our starter at right guard for the next 3 years and brooks will take wade smith's place at left guard next season. HANDS DOWN!!!!!! My question to you guys is do you think we keep barwin if he has a lackluster season?:pop:

jahunter221
09-25-2012, 12:50 AM
:evilb::evilb:Look ben jones WILL be our starter at right guard for the next 3 years and brooks will take wade smith's place at left guard next season. HANDS DOWN!!!!!! My question to you guys is do you think we keep barwin if he has a lackluster season?:pop:

beerlover
09-25-2012, 12:56 AM
Look ben jones WILL be our starter at right guard for the next 3 years and brooks will take wade smith's place at left guard next season. HANDS DOWN!!!!!! My question to you guys is do you think we keep barwin if he has a lackluster season?:pop:

To answer your question, yes that would translate into a more affordable Connor Barwin. If he keeps bulking he could even kick inside when Ninja walks away. I hope, whatever the case Barwin remains a Texan, seriously good dude.

silvrhand
09-25-2012, 01:50 AM
I got to see Ben Jones tonight next to Chris Myers and Duane Brown. Chris/Duane really look like they put time in the weight room and their conditioning, Ben Jones not so much.

You can see here, while he's eating a roach lol..

http://blog.chron.com/fanzone/2012/08/video-texans-rookie-ben-jones-voluntarily-eats-a-roach/

Allstar
09-25-2012, 02:04 AM
silvrhand, how did you get to meet all the players?

silvrhand
09-25-2012, 02:11 AM
silvrhand, how did you get to meet all the players?

http://www.owendaniels.org/news_events.php?nID=12

They all come to the charity event every year for Owen Daniels, I'm lucky enough to be able to attend and give some time to charity, and get to meet the players.

Premier
09-25-2012, 05:33 AM
This is what I hope the interior of the OL looks like after next yr.

Provided Jones and Brooks keep improving and play up to their talent level.

Hopefully, Brooks is spending this yr learning what it takes to be a pro OL. (Not just talent, which he's loaded with. But discipline and healthy eating habits)

he actually looks like the fittest texans lineman tbh

silvrhand
09-25-2012, 08:25 AM
he actually looks like the fittest texans lineman tbh

Not even close, Chris Myers/Duane Brown are just big men in shape, you can really see the different in the two. I think it'll come in time hopefully, if he does that he should be something we will like to see more of.

Doppelganger
09-25-2012, 01:53 PM
I got to see Ben Jones tonight next to Chris Myers and Duane Brown. Chris/Duane really look like they put time in the weight room and their conditioning, Ben Jones not so much.

You can see here, while he's eating a roach lol..

http://blog.chron.com/fanzone/2012/08/video-texans-rookie-ben-jones-voluntarily-eats-a-roach/

Insects are a healthy food source. High in protein, low in calories and fat.

silvrhand
09-26-2012, 12:37 AM
Insects are a healthy food source. High in protein, low in calories and fat.

And crunchy too!