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stingray
09-19-2012, 05:58 AM
Blew all his money. Can't say I feel sorry for him.

http://www.nfl.com/goto?id=0ap1000000063793

PapaL
09-19-2012, 06:11 AM
Well...Reggie suddenly learned how to play RB, maybe VY can suddenly learn to play QB?

gwallaia
09-19-2012, 08:51 AM
I wonder if Vince can dance? Perhaps he could audition for Dancing With the Stars.:elmo:

gtexan02
09-19-2012, 08:55 AM
$26 million is more than almost anyone will make in a lifetime. It's the equivalent of being paid $600k a year for your entire working life. How can you blow that so fast? That's insane.

As to his spending, I once saw him buying some bling at a local jewelry shop. His stuff wasn't as bad as what tank Johnson was buying but it was still fairly insanely expensive

HoustonFrog
09-19-2012, 08:57 AM
"Dollar Bills Please"

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Showtime100
09-19-2012, 08:57 AM
I can't say anything bad about him right now. Yeah, a fool and his money and all, but I feel for him because of the financial deceleration trauma he's getting ready to experience. :D

Dutchrudder
09-19-2012, 09:50 AM
I don't think all of his money was wasted in the typical fashion. 17.5 million is a lot to have disappear on anyone.


...

The lawsuit contends that $5.5 million of Young's money is lost, while nearly $12 million is "untraceable." The suit says Adams and Young kept a mutual account, and that some of the quarterback's money was used to pay off Adams' personal debt. There are charges that more loans and lines of credit were agreed to without Young's knowledge. The suit states that one line of credit worth up to $500,000 was secured by someone impersonating Young on a phone call, and that a loan of more than $1 million was finalized via a fake email account.

The suit claims the Internal Revenue Service audited Young from 2006-08 and found there was $3 million of income from endorsement deals that hadn't been reported. Young paid an additional $1.3 million in taxes on that amount in 2011.

http://www.statesman.com/sports/longhorns/vince-young-sues-former-agent-financial-manager-over-2398410.html

steelbtexan
09-19-2012, 10:12 AM
I don't think all of his money was wasted in the typical fashion. 17.5 million is a lot to have disappear on anyone.




http://www.statesman.com/sports/longhorns/vince-young-sues-former-agent-financial-manager-over-2398410.html

I dont feel sorry for VY. It was his decision to get in bed with a guy like Adams. Is Reliant still VY/Fanboys house?

Wonder if VY would be willing to either bulk up and become a TE? Or become a WR? Making some $$$$ is better than making none.

On second thought I couldn't see VY's ego letting him make a position change. So, broke he will be.

StarStruck
09-19-2012, 10:19 AM
I don't have enough information to assess blame. Based on the lawsuit it appear the his advisor could have done business similar to Allen Stanford or Bernie Madoff. It's one thing to squander money, yet another to be wiped out by someone you trust steal from you.

TheMatrix31
09-19-2012, 10:30 AM
Good. I'm GLAD he's broke. He's worthless and he's a loser.

How anyone could have the God-given talents he has and COMPLETELY blow them AND the MILLIONS of dollars he got just for being a top draft pick is ****ing beyond me.

**** him.

jaayteetx
09-19-2012, 10:33 AM
Just got back from Clearwater, Fl and as I was finished checking in and walking up to to my room, who do I see? VY himself. It was Sunday and I was sporting my Texans t-shirt, I'm sure he was praying I would leave him be, which I did. My wife spotted him later at the beach also, hanging with his fam and enjoying his Sunday like the rest of us shmoes with no NFL gig.

StarStruck
09-19-2012, 10:43 AM
Just got back from Clearwater, Fl and as I was finished checking in and walking up to to my room, who do I see? VY himself. It was Sunday and I was sporting my Texans t-shirt, I'm sure he was praying I would leave him be, which I did. My wife spotted him later at the beach also, hanging with his fam and enjoying his Sunday like the rest of us shmoes with no NFL gig.

Since VY is from Houston, he probably would have been gracious. The fact that the Texans didn't draft him has probably worn off by now. There are a number of pro athletes that were drafted to a team, but still a long time fan of another except when they play each other.

Hookem Horns
09-19-2012, 10:45 AM
Just got back from Clearwater, Fl and as I was finished checking in and walking up to to my room, who do I see? VY himself. It was Sunday and I was sporting my Texans t-shirt, I'm sure he was praying I would leave him be, which I did. My wife spotted him later at the beach also, hanging with his fam and enjoying his Sunday like the rest of us shmoes with no NFL gig.

You weren't watching the Texans game?? You were in Florida. You could have rode up to Jax with me. ;)

The1ApplePie
09-19-2012, 10:47 AM
Good. I'm GLAD he's broke. He's worthless and he's a loser.

How anyone could have the God-given talents he has and COMPLETELY blow them AND the MILLIONS of dollars he got just for being a top draft pick is ****ing beyond me.

**** him.

Some times you have to love the Texans fanbase. Still butthurt over VY and Reggie, hate Mario now because he's with a different team, wish nothing but bad things for every ex-Texan who isn't named DeMeco.

:toropalm:

Fred
09-19-2012, 10:51 AM
Hopefully he saved a couple of empty Tequila bottles so he can remember the good times.

Hookem Horns
09-19-2012, 10:53 AM
Some times you have to love the Texans fanbase. Still butthurt over VY and Reggie, hate Mario now because he's with a different team, wish nothing but bad things for every ex-Texan who isn't named DeMeco.

:toropalm:

Personally I have no issue with any of those guys, not even Vince.

However the VY fanboys STILL making ridiculous excuses for him and STILL hating the Texans for not drafting him annoy me to no end. So Vince failing only makes them look more stupid than they already are.

Also, VY's ego and non willingness to work put him where he is. So no I do not feel sorry for him.

gtexan02
09-19-2012, 10:56 AM
I don't think all of his money was wasted in the typical fashion. 17.5 million is a lot to have disappear on anyone.




http://www.statesman.com/sports/longhorns/vince-young-sues-former-agent-financial-manager-over-2398410.html

There are a lot of "untraceable" ways to lose money, including gambling, drugs, women, cash payments for stuff, etc

ChampionTexan
09-19-2012, 10:59 AM
Some times you have to love the Texans fanbase. Still butthurt over VY and Reggie, hate Mario now because he's with a different team, wish nothing but bad things for every ex-Texan who isn't named DeMeco.

:toropalm:

First, I don't think the "hating" of players who move on is limited to the Texans fanbase by any stretch of the imagination. I view that as within the confines of the game of football, and not extending to the personal life of the players involved. It may not be the most mature, logical position to take, but we are talking about football fans here.

In terms wishing ill personally on VY, I like to think that's one seriously misguided poster and not a representation of the Texans fanbase as a whole.

Dutchrudder
09-19-2012, 11:10 AM
I dont feel sorry for VY. It was his decision to get in bed with a guy like Adams. Is Reliant still VY/Fanboys house?

Wonder if VY would be willing to either bulk up and become a TE? Or become a WR? Making some $$$$ is better than making none.

On second thought I couldn't see VY's ego letting him make a position change. So, broke he will be.

So how exactly is VY supposed to know that his agent and financial adviser were going to be thieves? I don't see how you could not feel sorry for him if he was genuinely a victim of these guys. There are millions of people out there who have been effected by guys like Madoff, Stanford, etc, and it's not the customer's fault.

Stemp
09-19-2012, 11:14 AM
So how exactly is VY supposed to know that his agent and financial adviser were going to be thieves?

Taking an active interest in your finances and questioning how it is being used.

And if you have any concerns, having a third party review your books.

Double Barrel
09-19-2012, 11:16 AM
Well, at least he still has "his house".

http://eventimagecenter.com/350x200/relian_stadium_350.jpg

chicagotexan2
09-19-2012, 11:18 AM
I can't see how someone with that much money and that much on thier plate to not be able to oversee the money not hire a group like Ernst & Young or other private auditor to watch your advisors. The cost is worth it for not having to end up like this. If they stole from him they should be prosecuted and made to pay restitution. But even if they were to refund every penny I have no doubt that it would only prolong the inevitable, which is Young ending up broke due to his own lack of personal responsibility.

Mr teX
09-19-2012, 11:31 AM
Hometown hero turned bum...kinda feel sorry for the kid now.

26 million...a good portion of that is lost to taxes (~ 9 mil or so) so u figure he had about 17 mil to play with.....

Say he got a really nice 1 million dollar home.............................................. 16 mil
3 really nice cars that total a combined 1 million.........................................15 mil
A couple of vacation homes across the U.S. that total 1 million......................14 mil
A few bad investments/stealing by his advisors totaling a combined 5 million......9 mil
Hooking up buddies and hangers on that total 4 million...................................5 mil
uncontrollable spending that total 3 million........................................... ........2 mil


Unlike other athletes who've made 100's of millions over they're careers (T.O., Sapp) i could see how he could be broke if you call having possibly only a few million left of 26 million being "broke". He more than likely has a few fixed assets that he can turn liquid, But then this is also just the contract money...doesn't even factor in a few of his endorsement so....

Same story, different athlete. When you come from nothing, more often than not, you never really learn how to handle that kind of money. We might see mario on this list in a few years if he hasn't gotten his car addiction under control.

Hookem Horns
09-19-2012, 11:55 AM
So how exactly is VY supposed to know that his agent and financial adviser were going to be thieves? I don't see how you could not feel sorry for him if he was genuinely a victim of these guys. There are millions of people out there who have been effected by guys like Madoff, Stanford, etc, and it's not the customer's fault.

True but neither one of these guys had any experience. He should have hired a real NFL agent that has references and years of experience working with NFL players.

Instead he tried to "take care of his homies" and got burned for being naive or stupid as the wonderlic test demonstrated.

eriadoc
09-19-2012, 11:56 AM
six.

eriadoc
09-19-2012, 12:08 PM
So how exactly is VY supposed to know that his agent and financial adviser were going to be thieves? I don't see how you could not feel sorry for him if he was genuinely a victim of these guys. There are millions of people out there who have been effected by guys like Madoff, Stanford, etc, and it's not the customer's fault.

Because he hired them.

If you give someone else your money and they steal it, you are a moron.

Well, like I said above, SIX. The Wunderlic probably isn't an indicator of much of anything when it comes to playing football, but it's probably a warning sign that he was not going to make smart decisions about complex things like finances. It sounds like a few people caught on to that fact and took advantage of it. Since VY probably never surrounded himself with paragons of integrity, no one caught on to it and protected him.

As far as him hiring those people, so did the dupes who got taken by Madoff, et al. They were sold a slick sales pitch and they bought in. Ponzi schemes and other elaborate cons don't typically go after the best and brightest society has to offer. They go after SIX.

I feel a little bad for the guy, but the same sense of justice that makes me feel a little bad for the guy also was annoyed that he got $26M in the first place, so it all washes out. The VY fanboys that made me dislike the mntion of VY over the years maybe tip the scales a little toward negativity toward VY. But hey, I'm sure he's a great guy, and now he has a chance to put that UT diploma to work and go get a cushy job somewhere making six figures like the rest of Americans, right?

OK, that was mean. I apologize.

Double Barrel
09-19-2012, 12:10 PM
True but neither one of these guys had any experience. He should have hired a real NFL agent that has references and years of experience working with NFL players.

Instead he tried to "take care of his homies" and got burned for being naive or stupid as the wonderlic test demonstrated.

yep. Nobody would feel sorry for me if I go bankrupt by letting morons handle my finances. Why should VY be any different? Because he's an entertainer?

Beside, dude has a college education, so he should have some smarts about it. :thinking:

chicagotexan2
09-19-2012, 12:13 PM
Well, like I said above, SIX. The Wunderlic probably isn't an indicator of much of anything when it comes to playing football, but it's probably a warning sign that he was not going to make smart decisions about complex things like finances. It sounds like a few people caught on to that fact and took advantage of it. Since VY probably never surrounded himself with paragons of integrity, no one caught on to it and protected him.

As far as him hiring those people, so did the dupes who got taken by Madoff, et al. They were sold a slick sales pitch and they bought in. Ponzi schemes and other elaborate cons don't typically go after the best and brightest society has to offer. They go after SIX.

I feel a little bad for the guy, but the same sense of justice that makes me feel a little bad for the guy also was annoyed that he got $26M in the first place, so it all washes out. The VY fanboys that made me dislike the mntion of VY over the years maybe tip the scales a little toward negativity toward VY. But hey, I'm sure he's a great guy, and now he has a chance to put that UT diploma to work and go get a cushy job somewhere making six figures like the rest of Americans, right?OK, that was mean. I apologize.

I have no doubt that his prestigious degree will make his other business ventures a success (i.e. Sausage empressario, steakhouse maven and sperm donor extrodinaire). If all else fails Mattress Mack will give him a job a furniture delivery man. No offense to furniture delivery men.

eriadoc
09-19-2012, 12:14 PM
http://www.esquire.com/cm/esquire/images/HH/vince-young-0909-quarterback-lg.jpg

OK, that was mean too. I'll stop now.

Quarterbacking is all in the legs. You don't even really need a good arm. Of course, I work on it all, but it's all in the legs.

I don't know when I'll start again. But I will be the next black quarterback to win a Super Bowl. And I will be in the Hall of Fame.

2012Champs
09-19-2012, 12:17 PM
So how exactly is VY supposed to know that his agent and financial adviser were going to be thieves? I don't see how you could not feel sorry for him if he was genuinely a victim of these guys. There are millions of people out there who have been effected by guys like Madoff, Stanford, etc, and it's not the customer's fault.



You take even bigger risk when you go with small fry advisors. If you work with a financial advisor at a big broker and they steal from you the firm pays you back. If your advisor owns his company, steals all your money and spends it then there isnt anything to get back. The same thing goes for CPAs and so on.


Both investors of Madoff and Stanford fall under the same opinion that I have of Young's situation ignorant, greedy or both. I dont feel sorry for the Stanford investors whom were putting money into CDs at 6-10% interest when the rest of the market couldnt pay 1-2% And with Madoff he had only 2 down months of investing out of 100+ month with the largest down month being 0.5% which is an impossible trading record but his investors didnt care, they just wanted the fake returns.

2012Champs
09-19-2012, 12:20 PM
Well, like I said above, SIX. The Wunderlic probably isn't an indicator of much of anything when it comes to playing football, but it's probably a warning sign that he was not going to make smart decisions about complex things like finances. It sounds like a few people caught on to that fact and took advantage of it. Since VY probably never surrounded himself with paragons of integrity, no one caught on to it and protected him.

As far as him hiring those people, so did the dupes who got taken by Madoff, et al. They were sold a slick sales pitch and they bought in. Ponzi schemes and other elaborate cons don't typically go after the best and brightest society has to offer. They go after SIX.

I feel a little bad for the guy, but the same sense of justice that makes me feel a little bad for the guy also was annoyed that he got $26M in the first place, so it all washes out. The VY fanboys that made me dislike the mntion of VY over the years maybe tip the scales a little toward negativity toward VY. But hey, I'm sure he's a great guy, and now he has a chance to put that UT diploma to work and go get a cushy job somewhere making six figures like the rest of Americans, right?

OK, that was mean. I apologize.



Im not sure why you would be annoyed that he got paid 26MM. What other people get paid doesnt mean much to me and even more so when its totally unrelated to what I do

chicagotexan2
09-19-2012, 12:20 PM
You take even bigger risk when you go with small fry advisors. If you work with a financial advisor at a big broker and they steal from you the firm pays you back. If your advisor owns his company, steals all your money and spends it then there isnt anything to get back. The same thing goes for CPAs and so on.


Both investors of Madoff and Stanford fall under the same opinion that I have of Young's situation ignorant, greedy or both. I dont feel sorry for the Stanford investors whom were putting money into CDs at 6-10% interest when the rest of the market couldnt pay 1-2% And with Madoff he had only 2 down months of investing out of 100+ month with the largest down month being 0.5% which is an impossible trading record but his investors didnt care, they just wanted the fake returns.

Right here.

chicagotexan2
09-19-2012, 12:23 PM
http://www.esquire.com/cm/esquire/images/HH/vince-young-0909-quarterback-lg.jpg

OK, that was mean too. I'll stop now.

Could be meaner and post a pic of Voung eating his own sausage...........








or boogers.

eriadoc
09-19-2012, 12:24 PM
Im not sure why .....

That's fine. You don't have to be.

Hervoyel
09-19-2012, 12:27 PM
My thoughts are that Vince needs to get his butt to Canada and see if there's still time for him to learn to play QB. If there isn't then I think he needs to investigate the other side of the play and find out if he can catch the ball. TE, tailback maybe? It's time to look outside the box and find a place in professional football if there is in fact one for him.

A lot of great players weren't too good to go north and get their act together. Vince shouldn't be either. If he is then there's really nothing anyone can do for him at this point.

utahmark
09-19-2012, 12:31 PM
I dont feel sorry for VY. It was his decision to get in bed with a guy like Adams. Is Reliant still VY/Fanboys house?

Wonder if VY would be willing to either bulk up and become a TE? Or become a WR? Making some $$$$ is better than making none.On second thought I couldn't see VY's ego letting him make a position change. So, broke he will be.

He is 29 years old and never played either of those positions. Not sure that is an option for him.

NitroGSXR
09-19-2012, 12:43 PM
I served VY back in 2006 and he's certainly a very good tipper. I think he tries to spread the wealth and that's a good thing overall.

Hope he's able to recover financially.

Hookem Horns
09-19-2012, 12:48 PM
My thoughts are that Vince needs to get his butt to Canada and see if there's still time for him to learn to play QB.

A lot of great players weren't too good to go north and get their act together. Vince shouldn't be either. If he is then there's really nothing anyone can do for him at this point.

I understand there is an issue with that also. Apparently the Montreal team owns his rights, have the best QB in the league, and are blocking him from going to another team.

Lingerie Football League maybe?

2012Champs
09-19-2012, 12:50 PM
That's fine. You don't have to be.



A good life lesson for you then. Try not to let things that have no impact on you and/or you have no control over annoy you.

Thorn
09-19-2012, 12:51 PM
meh....who cares? Another washed up pro athlete who wasted his money. He's in a very large group. I don't wish VY any more bad vibes than he's already dealing with, but I certainly ain't gonna waste time wishing him luck or wondering how he's doing.

Mr. White
09-19-2012, 12:53 PM
True but neither one of these guys had any experience. He should have hired a real NFL agent that has references and years of experience working with NFL players.

Instead he tried to "take care of his homies" and got burned for being naive or stupid as the wonderlic test demonstrated.

I think he probably went with Major Adams because the guy wasn't a sports agent. Since he was from the entertainment field, he probably sold Vince some line about how he would "cross over" and be a black pop culture icon instead of a regular old NFL QB.

If my assumption is correct, then the guy delivered. He got him a BET reality show and a secured credit card endorsement before his rookie year even started. Too bad Major Adams didn't know jack about making him a better football player. If he did, then he'd probably be a starter somewhere now and he wouldn't be broke.

If he hires an agent that can help him get his head screwed on straight and sell him to the GM's around the league,there may be hope for him yet.

Dutchrudder
09-19-2012, 01:24 PM
yep. Nobody would feel sorry for me if I go bankrupt by letting morons handle my finances. Why should VY be any different? Because he's an entertainer?

Beside, dude has a college education, so he should have some smarts about it. :thinking:

If it's any consolation, I would feel bad for you if you lost all your money to an unscrupulous financier. Nobody deserves to have their hard earned money stolen from them.

You take even bigger risk when you go with small fry advisors. If you work with a financial advisor at a big broker and they steal from you the firm pays you back. If your advisor owns his company, steals all your money and spends it then there isnt anything to get back. The same thing goes for CPAs and so on.


Both investors of Madoff and Stanford fall under the same opinion that I have of Young's situation ignorant, greedy or both. I dont feel sorry for the Stanford investors whom were putting money into CDs at 6-10% interest when the rest of the market couldnt pay 1-2% And with Madoff he had only 2 down months of investing out of 100+ month with the largest down month being 0.5% which is an impossible trading record but his investors didnt care, they just wanted the fake returns.

So the answer is blame the victims for trusting their hired financial advisors? Jesus christ you people are rough.

chicagotexan2
09-19-2012, 01:32 PM
If it's any consolation, I would feel bad for you if you lost all your money to an unscrupulous financier. Nobody deserves to have their hard earned money stolen from them.



So the answer is blame the victims for trusting their hired financial advisors? Jesus christ you people are rough.

Man I love and respect some of my friends and relatives, but there is not way in hell they'd be allowed to manage my millions (if I had millions). Just like there is no way in hell I'd let them perform surgery on me. If they stople from him give him back what is rightfully his, but he is about as far from blameless as he is from being smart.

jaayteetx
09-19-2012, 01:57 PM
You weren't watching the Texans game?? You were in Florida. You could have rode up to Jax with me. ;)

Oh, believe me, I found me the hotel swim bar which had the Sunday ticket and made sure one their two televisions was set to the Texans game. It was pretty nice actually.

Hookem Horns
09-19-2012, 02:05 PM
Oh, believe me, I found me the hotel swim bar which had the Sunday ticket and made sure one their two televisions was set to the Texans game. It was pretty nice actually.

Very cool. Yeah, it wasn't shown locally. In the AFC I think they alternate between the Dolphins and Jags each week (just a guess at this point). I do know the Dolphins were on in central Florida this week and not the Jags.

Honestly, I keep going to games but the game is much better on TV these days. That said I am going to the Bucs game in 2 weeks. It is a late game and the Texans have the early game. I am going to see if I can stream the Texans from the tailgate area we will be at.

2012Champs
09-19-2012, 02:05 PM
If it's any consolation, I would feel bad for you if you lost all your money to an unscrupulous financier. Nobody deserves to have their hard earned money stolen from them.



So the answer is blame the victims for trusting their hired financial advisors? Jesus christ you people are rough.




If its your money, you choose to have no idea whats going on, you dont question anything and dont care to even learn the slightest? Yup you deserve losing it all. Even more so when the situaiton as was the case with madoff and stanford where it would be overly obvious that things werent right and more so in the case of Madoff since all of those folks have to qualify as a much higher level of investor to get in.


Let me clear both Madoff and Stanford deserve to spend the rest of their lives in prison for their actions.


The best companies in the world have upper management who glady accept being challanged by their team and challanges their team at the same time. I am the CEO of my money and if I pass the responsibility on to someone else to make choices Im going to question them or have another manager look at the activity and question it as well.

At the end of the day its your money and what happens to it falls on your shoulders.

Enron 401k employer match was 1 to 1 unless you took enron stock which then they would give you 3 to 1.


Standford Cds paying double and triple what the rest of the world could offer

Madoff never losing money, ever, generating some of the smoothest returns over such a long period of time that makes the outcome so impossible that it makes no sense


All areas in which greed overtook responsible and prudent actions buy the investors and people around them

2012Champs
09-19-2012, 02:14 PM
here is the chron article on it

http://www.chron.com/sports/article/QB-Vince-Young-out-of-the-game-and-out-of-money-3874936.php



its too much to copy and paste but at the bottom it certainly talks about VY's inability to accept responsibility for some of his actions that impacted his finances

Goldensilence
09-19-2012, 03:02 PM
Good. I'm GLAD he's broke. He's worthless and he's a loser.

How anyone could have the God-given talents he has and COMPLETELY blow them AND the MILLIONS of dollars he got just for being a top draft pick is ****ing beyond me.

**** him.

Holy **** bro. Did he like personally come and punch you in the face, kick your dog, or spit on your girl (in between dancing shirtless with his boys)?

Far as his NFL career goes if Montreal does still own his rights still might not be a bad idea to go up still get some sort of reps with any football team. Of course that's assuming he still really wants it.

Far as his finances go, I do kind of feel for the dude on that and it continues to highlight the importance of things like the rookie symposium and other ways to get young NFL players an idea of how to handle their finances during and after their careers.

2012Champs
09-19-2012, 03:35 PM
Holy **** bro. Did he like personally come and punch you in the face, kick your dog, or spit on your girl (in between dancing shirtless with his boys)?

Far as his NFL career goes if Montreal does still own his rights still might not be a bad idea to go up still get some sort of reps with any football team. Of course that's assuming he still really wants it.

Far as his finances go, I do kind of feel for the dude on that and it continues to highlight the importance of things like the rookie symposium and other ways to get young NFL players an idea of how to handle their finances during and after their careers.



His problems and many other pro guys only show an issue that far to many americans would face given large sums of money but people wouldnt want to admit it. Why kids dont have to take any personal finance classes in high school or beyond kills me but lets make sure we get the PE in

Wolf6151
09-19-2012, 03:58 PM
What's the old saying, "A fool and his money will soon part".

eriadoc
09-19-2012, 03:58 PM
A good life lesson for you then. Try not to let things that have no impact on you and/or you have no control over annoy you.

Very profound. Life lesson back at ya - advice is often worth what you pay for it, and don't take life lessons from people on the internet. Oh, and don't take people on the internet seriously, LOL.

This is all just fodder for discussion, or as DB puts it, mental masturbation. The day I actually let any of this stuff affect my real life is the day I give up the internet, heh.

2012Champs
09-19-2012, 04:01 PM
Very profound. Life lesson back at ya - advice is often worth what you pay for it, and don't take life lessons from people on the internet. Oh, and don't take people on the internet seriously, LOL.

This is all just fodder for discussion, or as DB puts it, mental masturbation. The day I actually let any of this stuff affect my real life is the day I give up the internet, heh.




On an interesting note Ive received plenty of really good advice for free. I guess its just a matter of whos around you.

NitroGSXR
09-19-2012, 04:09 PM
... don't take life lessons from people on the internet. Oh, and don't take people on the internet seriously, LOL.

Ouch. I thought we were buds!

:slapfight:

I get what you're saying though but like 2012Champs said... there's plenty good to come from it. I definitely feel that I have gotten FARRRRR more good than bad out of TT and that's with me directly being ripped off. I guess I appreciate this place a little more than you do.

eriadoc
09-19-2012, 04:35 PM
I get what you're saying though but like 2012Champs said... there's plenty good to come from it. I definitely feel that I have gotten FARRRRR more good than bad out of TT and that's with me directly being ripped off. I guess I appreciate this place a little more than you do.

I appreciate it quite a lot. There's not another message board that I go to daily, weekly, or even monthly. I go to texanguntalk.com a few times a year and that's probably my second most visited message board. I'm just saying take things with a grain of salt, keep things in perspective, and realize it's the internet, where any random yahoo with an opinion can spout it off and present it as the gospel. There are a few posters here, yourself included, that I don't consider random yahoos, which is why I continue to come back. As any random yahoo builds a post history that I can observe, my assignation of value to their input varies accordingly.

Some good peeps on here. :)

All that aside, please allow us to go back to enjoying our cathartic VY bashing, LOL.

chicagotexan2
09-19-2012, 04:42 PM
I appreciate it quite a lot. There's not another message board that I go to daily, weekly, or even monthly. I go to texanguntalk.com a few times a year and that's probably my second most visited message board. I'm just saying take things with a grain of salt, keep things in perspective, and realize it's the internet, where any random yahoo with an opinion can spout it off and present it as the gospel. There are a few posters here, yourself included, that I don't consider random yahoos, which is why I continue to come back. As any random yahoo builds a post history that I can observe, my assignation of value to their input varies accordingly.

Some good peeps on here. :)

All that aside, please allow us to go back to enjoying our cathartic VY bashing, LOL.



Done and done

Vince Young has traded in his luxury sports car for something more within his budget.









http://www.coolfunpics.com/slides/Amazing_Dragster_Shopping_Cart.jpg

thunderkyss
09-19-2012, 05:36 PM
Always hate to hear stories like this. Y'know some guys work hard their whole lives for the opportunities that were handed to Vince. It's no secret that this kind of stuff happens, hell the NFL makes a point to inform rookies every year, "This stuff happens" & still... it happens.

Not saying I feel sorry for Vince, but what about those guys who didn't have an opportunity because Vince was "winning" in Austin, or Tennessee? Y'know, the guys who would have made the most of those opportunities.

& not just one...

Young contends Pro Player's dogged efforts to serve him with papers this summer "played a role" in the Buffalo Bills' decision to release him prior to the start of the season.

"I wasn't in the room when they (the Bills) made a decision, but what would you think?" asked Trey Dolezal, Young's attorney. "It certainly wouldn't help me if I'm the owner or the head coach knowing all this is going on with Vince and then he goes out and plays poorly."


I mean does it really matter? He played poorly. All Vince had to do was take care of the ball, ala David Carr & he'd still have a well paying job today. How hard is that? The NFL loves talent, if you can play, you'd be forgiven almost anything. Possession, DUI, shooting your leg, drugs, PEDs, rape, murder, dog fights...

Heck, we know the kid is talented. But this shows us how dumb he really is.

Texecutioner
09-19-2012, 06:00 PM
Sometimes I wonder if VY committed suicide or got murdered, how many people in here would actually cheer and be excited.

Sad to hear about VY being broke and out of the NFL. He's never been a thug type of athlete or bad guy. Just a really foolish individual who was stupid as hell for ever using a crook like Major Adams. He didn't take his football career near seriously enough like many other talented QB's of the past. I don't feel sorry for him for being broke though. He earned way to much money to have squandered all of that. He should have cut ties with all of the "hanger on's" and Major Adams a long time ago, and wised up. It isn't rocket science to hold onto that kind of money. Hell VY lives in a city like Houston as it is where we have some of the lowest real estate prices for a big city in the entire country. For any paid athlete to squander all of their load in a state like Texas means you've got to be one serious dumbass with your cash. It is way to cheap out here to live comfortably with his kind of money to be going broke in Texas. No excuse.

dc_txtech
09-19-2012, 09:03 PM
Man I love and respect some of my friends and relatives, but there is not way in hell they'd be allowed to manage my millions (if I had millions). Just like there is no way in hell I'd let them perform surgery on me. If they stople from him give him back what is rightfully his, but he is about as far from blameless as he is from being smart.

I just spent the last 3 minutes of my life trying to figure out what stople meant. You stople 3 minutes of my life and I demand repayment in full.

Hookem Horns
09-20-2012, 10:09 AM
Vince Young Spent $5k a Week at the Cheesecake Factory, TGI Fridays, Bought Entire Southwest Flights

http://images.radcity.net/5885/5091815.mp3

http://outkickthecoverage.com/vince-young-spent-5k-a-week-at-the-cheesecake-factory-bought-entire-southwest-flights.php

MojoMan
09-20-2012, 10:32 AM
I don't really understand the hatred and animosity towards Vince Young here. If he was ripped off by this guy, that is a tragedy and not something that anyone should want to celebrate.

Where does this kind of an attitude come from I wonder? Maybe envy, if we get right to the heart of the matter? Maybe just a perverse group thrill that some people seem to get from kicking a guy when he is down?

I understand that Vince Young did not live up to the hype that surrounded him and that the money he was paid appeared to exceed his productivity on the field. But truth be told, his contract was a function of where he was picked in the draft. The Titans picked him #3 in the 2006 draft by choice. Nobody made them do it. In fact, nobody was forced to have Vince Young on their team at all. The contract that Vince Young was paid under had two signatures on it, not just one.

This is a sad story that I hope is not yet over. To the extent that Vince squandered his wealth, that is a cautionary tale that seems to be told far too often regarding former athletes. To the extent that Vince was ripped off, I hope he gets his money back and the criminals who robbed him are put in prison for a long time.

2012Champs
09-20-2012, 10:42 AM
I don't really understand the hatred and animosity towards Vince Young here. If he was ripped off by this guy, that is a tragedy and not something that anyone should want to celebrate.

Where does this kind of an attitude come from I wonder? Maybe envy, if we get right to the heart of the matter? Maybe just a perverse group thrill that some people seem to get from kicking a guy when he is down?

I understand that Vince Young did not live up to the hype that surrounded him and that the money he was paid appeared to exceed his productivity on the field. But truth be told, his contract was a function of where he was picked in the draft. The Titans picked him #3 in the 2006 draft by choice. Nobody made them do it. In fact, nobody was forced to have Vince Young on their team at all. The contract that Vince Young was paid under had two signatures on it, not just one.

This is a sad story that I hope is not yet over. To the extent that Vince squandered his wealth, that is a cautionary tale that seems to be told far too often regarding former athletes. To the extent that Vince was ripped off, I hope he gets his money back and the criminals who robbed him are put in prison for a long time.


If someone stole from him he should get his money back however there is no telling if that money exist anymore. Im not sure the default should be the assumption that he was stolen from though. There has been indications that he wasted money on his own and that alone could have put him where he is today

Hookem Horns
09-20-2012, 10:47 AM
I don't really understand the hatred and animosity towards Vince Young here. If he was ripped off by this guy, that is a tragedy and not something that anyone should want to celebrate.

Where does this kind of an attitude come from I wonder? Maybe envy, if we get right to the heart of the matter? Maybe just a perverse group thrill that some people seem to get from kicking a guy when he is down?

I understand that Vince Young did not live up to the hype that surrounded him and that the money he was paid appeared to exceed his productivity on the field. But truth be told, his contract was a function of where he was picked in the draft. The Titans picked him #3 in the 2006 draft by choice. Nobody made them do it. In fact, nobody was forced to have Vince Young on their team at all. The contract that Vince Young was paid under had two signatures on it, not just one.

This is a sad story that I hope is not yet over. To the extent that Vince squandered his wealth, that is a cautionary tale that seems to be told far too often regarding former athletes. To the extent that Vince was ripped off, I hope he gets his money back and the criminals who robbed him are put in prison for a long time.

I don't know that Vince Young himself (the person) is hated so much. It's everything else.

Let's see.

1.) Bud Adams forced his staff to draft Vince Young as a bird flip to the city of Houston for starters. The first thing he did after he drafted Vince was to bring him back to Houston and parade him around town as an "in your face" I have your hometown hero.

2.) Hordes of "fans" start hating the Texans for not drafting Vince. Hundreds maybe more start showing up to Reliant wearing Titans jerseys demonstrating their hate for the Texans and their love for Vince. Disregarding that he is playing for that evil guy that took our team away from us in the first place.

3.) Vince wins an OT game against the Texans and starts running around Reliant mouthing "this is my house!" to the glee of his retarded fanboys.

4.) In Austin, they start showing Titans games instead of Texans games as a result of all of this. In Austin for a couple of seasons one was seriously hated on for being a Texans fan because of Vince. I can't recall how many times I was called an "NFL Aggy" for being a Texans fan.

5.) Vince starts his downward spiral and his fanboys come up with the most absurd excuses blaming everyone and their mom but not Vince himself. Most can be found here http://www.shaggybevo.com/board/showthread.php/116435-Bills-release-Vince-Young

Do you really have to ask why there is so much animosity against Vince Young on a Texans board?

chicagotexan2
09-20-2012, 10:49 AM
I don't really understand the hatred and animosity towards Vince Young here. If he was ripped off by this guy, that is a tragedy and not something that anyone should want to celebrate.

Where does this kind of an attitude come from I wonder? Maybe envy, if we get right to the heart of the matter? Maybe just a perverse group thrill that some people seem to get from kicking a guy when he is down?

I understand that Vince Young did not live up to the hype that surrounded him and that the money he was paid appeared to exceed his productivity on the field. But truth be told, his contract was a function of where he was picked in the draft. The Titans picked him #3 in the 2006 draft by choice. Nobody made them do it. In fact, nobody was forced to have Vince Young on their team at all. The contract that Vince Young was paid under had two signatures on it, not just one.

This is a sad story that I hope is not yet over. To the extent that Vince squandered his wealth, that is a cautionary tale that seems to be told far too often regarding former athletes. To the extent that Vince was ripped off, I hope he gets his money back and the criminals who robbed him are put in prison for a long time.

Come on now this is not tragic. Like I said if his poor desicion making led to hiring amatuer mangement (and possibly thieves) that stole from him they return his money. Those 5.5 million should keep him in the black for a good 3 years. I'll admit it is funny in a pathetic way to me. I laugh because this is jsut another case of another dumb athlete that squanders his lottery ticket. The reason I think some people hear are feeling empathy for him is because he's a local guy. Too bad, sometimes local guys screw up big. I don't need to celebrate buy I'm not going to act like this guy is just a victim without any personal responsibility.

Double Barrel
09-20-2012, 11:03 AM
Vince Young Spent $5k a Week at the Cheesecake Factory, TGI Fridays, Bought Entire Southwest Flights

http://images.radcity.net/5885/5091815.mp3

http://outkickthecoverage.com/vince-young-spent-5k-a-week-at-the-cheesecake-factory-bought-entire-southwest-flights.php

I have no animosity toward the man. Figure I should disclaimer that because some seem to think any criticism of the guy means we wish he was dead or something.

As evidenced by those articles, VY is just stupid. And I'm not going to apologize for not feeling sorry for stupid.

You mix stupid with arrogance and give it lots of money, and what you end up with is a bankrupt entertainer.

"Life is tough, but it's tougher when you're stupid."
~ John Wayne

Vinny
09-20-2012, 11:45 AM
VY was just redistributing the wealth...he's a big Obama fan.

Texan_Bill
09-20-2012, 12:14 PM
I have no animosity toward the man. Figure I should disclaimer that because some seem to think any criticism of the guy means we wish he was dead or something.

As evidenced by those articles, VY is just stupid. And I'm not going to apologize for not feeling sorry for stupid.

You mix stupid with arrogance and give it lots of money, and what you end up with is a bankrupt entertainer.

"Life is tough, but it's tougher when you're stupid."
~ John Wayne


Sucks for him but I don't feel sorry for him either. He is not a victim. Sure he had financial advisors and an agent that took advantage of him but he should've at least been overseeing them. Do we not check our own bank accounts to make sure the banks didn't make a mistake, or seebsome other weird charges show-up? Do we not question our bank(s) when something looks fishy?.... Absolutely. Be responsible for self...

Playoffs
09-20-2012, 12:22 PM
It's too bad.

I hate to see any athlete fall into the too often taken path of losing what they earned in the very small window they have to monetize their skills & hard work.

2012Champs
09-20-2012, 12:38 PM
Sucks for him but I don't feel sorry for him either. He is not a victim. Sure he had financial advisors and an agent that took advantage of him but he should've at least been overseeing them. Do we not check our own bank accounts to make sure the banks didn't make a mistake, or seebsome other weird charges show-up? Do we not question our bank(s) when something looks fishy?.... Absolutely. Be responsible for self...


What did his financial advisors and agent do to take advantage of him?

eriadoc
09-20-2012, 12:45 PM
I don't really understand the hatred and animosity towards Vince Young here.

Speaking only for myself, hatred is way too strong a word. I don't wish the man any real harm, including being ripped off like he has been. As I said upthread, I feel a little bad for him. What I think has been reflected in this thread by myself and others is a reaction based on a few things:

1.) Vindication: There were a lot of us who didn't want VY taken by the Texans, and it had nothing to do with Mario or Bush. I was hoping for Ferguson, as a few long-timers may remember. Irrespective of anyone else's performance, I did not think VY would be a good NFL QB. And as fans, we were basically told what idiots we were and that we were awful people for not supporting the hometown guy. Then the people calling us idiots showed up to a home game vs. the Tacks wearing VY jerseys. So yeah, this whole ordeal is just one more giant FU to the VY nuthuggers that pissed me off back then. That's not really directed at VY, but he's at the center of it, of course.

2.) A desire to see the man get a dose of humility: There's some envy involved (I'll hit that next), but not nearly as much as you'd think. Most people don't go around complaining about how Matt Schaub just signed a ridiculous extension because of the money. They may be concerned with the health concerns, performance issues, etc., but not too many people complaining that Schaub bought a mansion somewhere, or whatever. Contrast that with VY or any of the other ego-driven failures in big sports. These guys hit the genetic lottery and the football jackpot together. So to see someone not only waste God's gift, but also to be such an egomaniac (see VY quotes I posted upthread), it rubs people the wrong way. Be thankful for the good fortune you've received in life and honor those gifts by going out and trying your hardest. I don't think anyone but the last few deluded souls believe that VY has tried his hardest or taken responsibility for his career yet.

3.) Envy - I throw this in here because it's inevitable that people will be envious of people in a better station of life than themselves. VY made a crapload of money, so yeah, I'm envious. But I'm envious of Bob McNair for having a crapload of money. Name any other ultra-wealthy guy and I'm envious of them, too. I'd like to have allt hat money. But you don't hear me saying bad things about other ultra-wealthy guys, do you?

Truth be told, I really don't care much at all one way or another about VY. As I said upthread, this is all just message board fodder. I haven't talked about VY with a single person in my real life. I haven't cared enough about him to raise the topic with any of my friends that I BS around with, and they haven't cared enough about him to raise it either. I'll come on here and post because I enjoy the banter, but it affects my life not one bit. VY doesn't raise my B.P. one single point, so hatred is way too strong a term, and hell, I'm not even sure animosity isn't too strong.

Marcus
09-20-2012, 12:53 PM
I don't know that Vince Young himself (the person) is hated so much. It's everything else.

Let's see.

1.) Bud Adams forced his staff to draft Vince Young as a bird flip to the city of Houston for starters. The first thing he did after he drafted Vince was to bring him back to Houston and parade him around town as an "in your face" I have your hometown hero.

2.) Hordes of "fans" start hating the Texans for not drafting Vince. Hundreds maybe more start showing up to Reliant wearing Titans jerseys demonstrating their hate for the Texans and their love for Vince. Disregarding that he is playing for that evil guy that took our team away from us in the first place.

3.) Vince wins an OT game against the Texans and starts running around Reliant mouthing "this is my house!" to the glee of his retarded fanboys.

4.) In Austin, they start showing Titans games instead of Texans games as a result of all of this. In Austin for a couple of seasons one was seriously hated on for being a Texans fan because of Vince. I can't recall how many times I was called an "NFL Aggy" for being a Texans fan.

5.) Vince starts his downward spiral and his fanboys come up with the most absurd excuses blaming everyone and their mom but not Vince himself. Most can be found here http://www.shaggybevo.com/board/showthread.php/116435-Bills-release-Vince-Young

Do you really have to ask why there is so much animosity against Vince Young on a Texans board?

:trophy::perfect10:

2012Champs
09-20-2012, 01:06 PM
Speaking only for myself, hatred is way too strong a word. I don't wish the man any real harm, including being ripped off like he has been. As I said upthread, I feel a little bad for him. What I think has been reflected in this thread by myself and others is a reaction based on a few things:

1.) Vindication: There were a lot of us who didn't want VY taken by the Texans, and it had nothing to do with Mario or Bush. I was hoping for Ferguson, as a few long-timers may remember. Irrespective of anyone else's performance, I did not think VY would be a good NFL QB. And as fans, we were basically told what idiots we were and that we were awful people for not supporting the hometown guy. Then the people calling us idiots showed up to a home game vs. the Tacks wearing VY jerseys. So yeah, this whole ordeal is just one more giant FU to the VY nuthuggers that pissed me off back then. That's not really directed at VY, but he's at the center of it, of course.

2.) A desire to see the man get a dose of humility: There's some envy involved (I'll hit that next), but not nearly as much as you'd think. Most people don't go around complaining about how Matt Schaub just signed a ridiculous extension because of the money. They may be concerned with the health concerns, performance issues, etc., but not too many people complaining that Schaub bought a mansion somewhere, or whatever. Contrast that with VY or any of the other ego-driven failures in big sports. These guys hit the genetic lottery and the football jackpot together. So to see someone not only waste God's gift, but also to be such an egomaniac (see VY quotes I posted upthread), it rubs people the wrong way. Be thankful for the good fortune you've received in life and honor those gifts by going out and trying your hardest. I don't think anyone but the last few deluded souls believe that VY has tried his hardest or taken responsibility for his career yet.

3.) Envy - I throw this in here because it's inevitable that people will be envious of people in a better station of life than themselves. VY made a crapload of money, so yeah, I'm envious. But I'm envious of Bob McNair for having a crapload of money. Name any other ultra-wealthy guy and I'm envious of them, too. I'd like to have allt hat money. But you don't hear me saying bad things about other ultra-wealthy guys, do you?

Truth be told, I really don't care much at all one way or another about VY. As I said upthread, this is all just message board fodder. I haven't talked about VY with a single person in my real life. I haven't cared enough about him to raise the topic with any of my friends that I BS around with, and they haven't cared enough about him to raise it either. I'll come on here and post because I enjoy the banter, but it affects my life not one bit. VY doesn't raise my B.P. one single point, so hatred is way too strong a term, and hell, I'm not even sure animosity isn't too strong.




So envy is why you didnt care for VY's big contract? I admire a lot of wealthy people who have had to work hard but I dont envy them or lotto winners. Another free life lesson to cash in on

eriadoc
09-20-2012, 01:31 PM
So envy is why you didnt care for VY's big contract?

LOL, you read all that and THAT's the conclusion you arrived at? Another free life lesson for you - learn reading comprehension. Also, go ahead and put me on ignore; it'll make both of our message board lives better.

2012Champs
09-20-2012, 01:33 PM
LOL, you read all that and THAT's the conclusion you arrived at? Another free life lesson for you - learn reading comprehension. Also, go ahead and put me on ignore; it'll make both of our message board lives better.



I actually didnt need all that you typed there to see envy was part of the issue. I had that feeling the first time I questioned it and later you just confirmed it. I can read and comprehend just fine. There is no need for ignore because as you said this is just a message board so dont take it seriously enough for me to bother you

The1ApplePie
09-20-2012, 03:05 PM
I don't really understand the hatred and animosity towards Vince Young here. If he was ripped off by this guy, that is a tragedy and not something that anyone should want to celebrate.

Where does this kind of an attitude come from I wonder? Maybe envy, if we get right to the heart of the matter? Maybe just a perverse group thrill that some people seem to get from kicking a guy when he is down?

I understand that Vince Young did not live up to the hype that surrounded him and that the money he was paid appeared to exceed his productivity on the field. But truth be told, his contract was a function of where he was picked in the draft. The Titans picked him #3 in the 2006 draft by choice. Nobody made them do it. In fact, nobody was forced to have Vince Young on their team at all. The contract that Vince Young was paid under had two signatures on it, not just one.

This is a sad story that I hope is not yet over. To the extent that Vince squandered his wealth, that is a cautionary tale that seems to be told far too often regarding former athletes. To the extent that Vince was ripped off, I hope he gets his money back and the criminals who robbed him are put in prison for a long time.

Bringing back the VY hate at least takes away from all the heat Mario (and to a lesser extent) Eric Winston have been getting here lately.

houstonspartan
09-20-2012, 05:13 PM
I don't know that Vince Young himself (the person) is hated so much. It's everything else.

Let's see.

1.) Bud Adams forced his staff to draft Vince Young as a bird flip to the city of Houston for starters. The first thing he did after he drafted Vince was to bring him back to Houston and parade him around town as an "in your face" I have your hometown hero.

2.) Hordes of "fans" start hating the Texans for not drafting Vince. Hundreds maybe more start showing up to Reliant wearing Titans jerseys demonstrating their hate for the Texans and their love for Vince. Disregarding that he is playing for that evil guy that took our team away from us in the first place.

3.) Vince wins an OT game against the Texans and starts running around Reliant mouthing "this is my house!" to the glee of his retarded fanboys.

4.) In Austin, they start showing Titans games instead of Texans games as a result of all of this. In Austin for a couple of seasons one was seriously hated on for being a Texans fan because of Vince. I can't recall how many times I was called an "NFL Aggy" for being a Texans fan.

5.) Vince starts his downward spiral and his fanboys come up with the most absurd excuses blaming everyone and their mom but not Vince himself. Most can be found here http://www.shaggybevo.com/board/showthread.php/116435-Bills-release-Vince-Young

Do you really have to ask why there is so much animosity against Vince Young on a Texans board?

Well said. I agree on all points. As I told someone yesterday: it's not about Vince, it's about his obnoxious fans. They are insufferable.

TheMatrix31
09-20-2012, 07:07 PM
Some times you have to love the Texans fanbase. Still butthurt over VY and Reggie, hate Mario now because he's with a different team, wish nothing but bad things for every ex-Texan who isn't named DeMeco.

:toropalm:


What the **** do I care about Vince Young and Reggie Bush? I wanted Mario Williams from the jump. I have no asinine ties to college programs that dictate who I want to go where in the NFL.

I actually like Reggie Bush as a player, I still root for Mario to do well, and I still love DeMeco.

Next?

Holy **** bro. Did he like personally come and punch you in the face, kick your dog, or spit on your girl (in between dancing shirtless with his boys)?

Far as his NFL career goes if Montreal does still own his rights still might not be a bad idea to go up still get some sort of reps with any football team. Of course that's assuming he still really wants it.

Far as his finances go, I do kind of feel for the dude on that and it continues to highlight the importance of things like the rookie symposium and other ways to get young NFL players an idea of how to handle their finances during and after their careers.

No actually, he did none of those things. I'm just suck of these dumb ass athletes blowing money and talent. Out here in the real world, people have to work and work HARD to sniff even a fraction of what this loser made on his first contract in the league. This loser was one of the most physically talented players to ever come into the league and he WASTED it. He could have made hundreds of millions of freakin' dollars through his playing career/endorsements and he WASTED it. And if he knows his career isn't panning out well, then save your ****ing money.

26 million dollars could and SHOULD last three very, very nice lifetimes for a family, and this douche blows it in five years or whatever it's been.


So if you can't understand why someone would hate a moron who would BLOW all that was HANDED to him, then you're beyond reproach.

StarStruck
09-20-2012, 07:37 PM
I have a problem with people who prey on and take advantage of people based on some type of kinship. Hey, TexansTalk is a family. Remember SWT. Homeboy told us he was a substance abuser, he changed jobs every two or so months, his fiance was a pharmacist, yet his family had to fill in the gap and pay his rent once, habitual gambler, yada, yada, yada. Then he came bearing dainties (jerseys). Because he was family, many did not second guess his sincerity and chose to purchase from him, win-win. It's unfortunate that those fans trusted and lost, but that doesn't mean they deserved to be ripped off.

infantrycak
09-20-2012, 07:44 PM
I have a problem with people who prey on and take advantage of people based on some type of kinship. Hey, TexansTalk is a family. Remember SWT. Homeboy told us he was a substance abuser, he changed jobs every two or so months, his fiance was a pharmacist, yet his family had to fill in the gap and pay his rent once, habitual gambler, yada, yada, yada. Then he came bearing dainties (jerseys). Because he was family, many did not second guess his sincerity and chose to purchase from him, win-win. It's unfortunate that those fans trusted and lost, but that doesn't mean they deserved to be ripped off.

I don't care if it was family or friendship, you ought to check your account balance every once in awhile. A couple million drop off the bottom line in a month, you bear some responsibility for figuring out how.

StarStruck
09-20-2012, 08:17 PM
I don't care if it was family or friendship, you ought to check your account balance every once in awhile. A couple million drop off the bottom line in a month, you bear some responsibility for figuring out how.

Makes sense, but since I don't have much money, I don't know a lot of the inner workings on investments and the type of stuff good financial advisors will do for their clients. I know many invest in many different ventures such as real estate, casinos and the like, and the question would be how long would it take to see something is terribly wrong when stocks tend to flucuate and sometime it takes a while to see a profit. Question also did Vince see some immediate profit and gave the sense that all is well, and then told when things were on the downside, that is to be expected because the market always bounces back. I wonder what the time frame was before it was more theft than market.

HJam72
09-20-2012, 08:48 PM
If I had ever made that kind of money, the first thing I would have done is told all the "experts" who were going to "take care of me," since I didn't know how to handle money to HIT THE F'ING ROAD AND DON'T COME BACK!

You put your money mostly in savings, a little in checking (probably in a lot of different banks) and you don't risk anything unless YOU have taken the time to honestly feel that YOU can take the risk on investments of any kind.

I always liked the fact that Bum took Earl, showed him the nearest bank, and said, "Put your money in that bank right there," and either said or at least implied, "Don't trust anybody else and don't waste it..."

We all found out about the score of 6 on a wunderlic test. I knew the day I heard that that he would see this day within a decade and this is a guy who should have just stuck it in the bank and been ultra-conservative about it.

HJam72
09-20-2012, 08:52 PM
These guys think that everybody just worships them, but many of those worshippers are money sharks, starting with the women.

chicagotexan2
09-20-2012, 08:56 PM
Makes sense, but since I don't have much money, I don't know a lot of the inner workings on investments and the type of stuff good financial advisors will do for their clients. I know many invest in many different ventures such as real estate, casinos and the like, and the question would be how long would it take to see something is terribly wrong when stocks tend to flucuate and sometime it takes a while to see a profit. Question also did Vince see some immediate profit and gave the sense that all is well, and then told when things were on the downside, that is to be expected because the market always bounces back. I wonder what the time frame was before it was more theft than market.

You need not invest in stocks, bonds, real estate etc. Fixed income speaks for itself. You don't make a killing in returns but you don't lose you shirt either. The guys hire amatures to make investment desicions ehen it's best to go with some one who does this for a living. Msdw, wells, UBS are insured and they will make the client whole if there was unauthorized activity. But guys like this trust the wrong people and living on a fixed income is not good enough. They think the gravy train is never going to end.

LonerATO
09-21-2012, 02:56 AM
The callers calling into the 3HL radio show are telling some of the best stories ever. I can not believe that Young is a total idiot.

2012Champs
09-21-2012, 01:20 PM
You need not invest in stocks, bonds, real estate etc. Fixed income speaks for itself. You don't make a killing in returns but you don't lose you shirt either. The guys hire amatures to make investment desicions ehen it's best to go with some one who does this for a living. Msdw, wells, UBS are insured and they will make the client whole if there was unauthorized activity. But guys like this trust the wrong people and living on a fixed income is not good enough. They think the gravy train is never going to end.



He could have gone the fixed income route and 20MM invested in 30 year US treasuries would give him 600M a year in income. Mind you any inflation would eat away at his purchasing power but still. He could mix in corp and muni bonds to easily bring in 5-6% interest vs the 3% for the 30 year bond and bring his income to 1MM-1.2MM but still that really isnt enough to be a flashy superstar. It could be done and done rather safe even investing a large chunk in equities would have been better than 5k a time a cheesecake lol

toronto
09-21-2012, 01:40 PM
I simply cannot fathom how someone, ANYONE can blow this much money. It just blows my mind.

welsh texan
09-21-2012, 01:59 PM
I simply cannot fathom how someone, ANYONE can blow this much money. It just blows my mind.

Honestly, I'm pretty sure I could put together a $26million shopping list if I had to.

It comes to a little over £17mm (just so I'm working in my own language here)

Couple of mill on a really nice house, few mill on some great cars, everywhere you go you put on a free bar because it makes you 'friends' and thats before you start spunking it up the wall on ridiculous jewelery etc.

He came into the league in 2006, so he's had 6 years to waste it, that is a mere £3mm a year of wasteage, which frankly, isn't totally out of the realm of possibility.

I think if you won $26mm on the lottery, you'd know that it was a one time deal and would budget accordingly. If you thought your $26mm was going to be the lowest valued contract of your career, because you were going to be the greatest NFL QB of all time whether you put in the effort or not, you were arrogant enough to believe that your next contract you'd earn double that and still be earning $14-16mm a year right up until you choose to retire, I can see quite easily how you could spend at that rate if you were dumb enough to bank on the next contract.

Now the ones like TO, who have had a long career at the top with top contracts, I can understand how he's blown all his money even less, he must have got every dime out of the NFL he could ever have possibly believed he would get.

I still have no sympathy, as you can tell by my using words like 'arrogant' and 'dumb', but I can see how he's done it.

toronto
09-21-2012, 02:13 PM
Honestly, I'm pretty sure I could put together a $26million shopping list if I had to.

It comes to a little over £17mm (just so I'm working in my own language here)

Couple of mill on a really nice house, few mill on some great cars, everywhere you go you put on a free bar because it makes you 'friends' and thats before you start spunking it up the wall on ridiculous jewelery etc.

He came into the league in 2006, so he's had 6 years to waste it, that is a mere £3mm a year of wasteage, which frankly, isn't totally out of the realm of possibility.

I think if you won $26mm on the lottery, you'd know that it was a one time deal and would budget accordingly. If you thought your $26mm was going to be the lowest valued contract of your career, because you were going to be the greatest NFL QB of all time whether you put in the effort or not, you were arrogant enough to believe that your next contract you'd earn double that and still be earning $14-16mm a year right up until you choose to retire, I can see quite easily how you could spend at that rate if you were dumb enough to bank on the next contract.

Now the ones like TO, who have had a long career at the top with top contracts, I can understand how he's blown all his money even less, he must have got every dime out of the NFL he could ever have possibly believed he would get.

I still have no sympathy, as you can tell by my using words like 'arrogant' and 'dumb', but I can see how he's done it.

Like almost anyone else, I've had the "what if I won the lotto" dream.

In my eyes ifI won a 30M lotto (like the one here tonite) I'd allocate the $$$ like this...

1) Sell house and buy a new one that lets us stay in our neighborhood but gives us the luxeries and space we'd just kill for - estimate this would cost us maybe another 1M, let's say 1.5M because we were drunk on the new money. Man the thought of no mortgage. Just so damn nice.

2) New car? Meh. we like our van, but the wife's car (which we own) is now 10 years old and rusting everywhere. So we'd buy something like a new Honda Civic. Maybe a Lexus if we're again, drunk with the windfall.

3) Private school for our oldest son - well he's already in private school due to autism but we'd have to not rely on assistance. That's 20K per year for education plus 40K per year for his therapy requirements.

4) Vacation. A really nice one.

5) 1M for my parents. 1M for my sister. 500K for my aunt. same for my wife's side. 100K for my best friend to get him out of debt.

I'm left with 20M. I sure can't see that flying out of my pocket. I'm just not that insane.

3)

chicagotexan2
09-21-2012, 02:30 PM
I simply cannot fathom how someone, ANYONE can blow this much money. It just blows my mind.

Well 26 mil goes super fast when the taxman takes about half, but I am pretty confident that at 38 yrs old with a wife and 3 boys we could scrape by on 13-14 million. Of course I am not flashy nor do I have people in my life I feed to need to 'take care of' other than a small handful of family. I doubt he'll ever be destitute. He brought UT thier only title in forever and he is likeable so he can get a job at the school. But I doubt he'll ever get his pro career and paydays like he once did.

Dread-Head
09-21-2012, 02:32 PM
I heard that he spent a good chunk of it on "Fast food". All I could say was "SERIOUSLY?!"

2012Champs
09-21-2012, 02:33 PM
its not that hard to blow money, it is hard for people that have never had anywhere near 26MM in understand how it could be done even more so when your income is 0-250M per year. But being wasteful isnt that hard.

Dread-Head
09-21-2012, 02:40 PM
its not that hard to blow money, it is hard for people that have never had anywhere near 26MM in understand how it could be done even more so when your income is 0-250M per year. But being wasteful isnt that hard.


Sorry, I've never SEEN that kind of money, but I would like to think if I HAD it I'd still be driving my oldsmobile, I'd still live in a regular subdivision and I would still be the same bozo you all know and love. The only diff being I would be known for the hearty laugh I emit when distant relatives from Louisiana show up to ask for money.

2012Champs
09-21-2012, 02:46 PM
Sorry, I've never SEEN that kind of money, but I would like to think if I HAD it I'd still be driving my oldsmobile, I'd still live in a regular subdivision and I would still be the same bozo you all know and love. The only diff being I would be known for the hearty laugh I emit when distant relatives from Louisiana show up to ask for money.



We would all like to think we would be responsible but there is a reason why so many pros, lotto winners and people who get large inheritances blow it all

Dread-Head
09-21-2012, 02:56 PM
We would all like to think we would be responsible but there is a reason why so many pros, lotto winners and people who get large inheritances blow it all

I wouldn't give ANYBODY a rubber stamp that would allow them to write checks in my name. I don't care if you have $8.00 to your name or Oprah money...that's just stupid.

Honoring Earl 34
09-21-2012, 03:01 PM
I heard that he spent a good chunk of it on "Fast food". All I could say was "SERIOUSLY?!"

http://www.ballerstatus.com/2012/09/21/nfl-qb-vince-young-blow-26-million-spending-habits/

[QUOTE]elow is a breakdown of some of his ridiculous spending habits (via ThisIs50.com):

1. Vince Young's favorite restaurant to hang out in? T.G.I. Friday's on Nashville's West End Avenue.

It was here he once dropped $6k on a meal for he and other players. Yes, $6k. At a T.G.I.Friday's. Players would congregate at the bar

2. The bartenders, who got to know Vince thanks to his frequent visits at T.G.I. Friday's, told Vince they'd make him a "special" drink.

It was a melon drop, which VY had everytime he came to the restaurant.

3. During his rookie season, VY spent $5k a week at the Cheesecake Factory.

He always picked up the tab for multiple teammates.

4. On a 2007 Southwest flight from Nashville to Houston, VY bought all of the seats, except for about ten passengers who'd bought tickets before he could buy the entire plane.

The plane seated 130 passengers, meaning VY purchased 120 of the seats.

5. After each home football game, VY headed for the Morton's downtown where he would sit at the bar and order $600 shots of Louis XIII.

That can add up in a hurry.

chicagotexan2
09-21-2012, 03:13 PM
http://www.ballerstatus.com/2012/09/21/nfl-qb-vince-young-blow-26-million-spending-habits/

[QUOTE]elow is a breakdown of some of his ridiculous spending habits (via ThisIs50.com):

1. Vince Young's favorite restaurant to hang out in? T.G.I. Friday's on Nashville's West End Avenue.

It was here he once dropped $6k on a meal for he and other players. Yes, $6k. At a T.G.I.Friday's. Players would congregate at the bar

2. The bartenders, who got to know Vince thanks to his frequent visits at T.G.I. Friday's, told Vince they'd make him a "special" drink.

It was a melon drop, which VY had everytime he came to the restaurant.

3. During his rookie season, VY spent $5k a week at the Cheesecake Factory.

He always picked up the tab for multiple teammates.

4. On a 2007 Southwest flight from Nashville to Houston, VY bought all of the seats, except for about ten passengers who'd bought tickets before he could buy the entire plane.

The plane seated 130 passengers, meaning VY purchased 120 of the seats.

5. After each home football game, VY headed for the Morton's downtown where he would sit at the bar and order $600 shots of Louis XIII.

That can add up in a hurry.

$600 bucks!!!!!!!! Holy schite. Unless you're Carlos Slim or Bill Gates there is no way I'd ever blow Louis XIII, maybe Eloise 38 DD, but not Louis XIII.

Dread-Head
09-21-2012, 03:14 PM
http://www.ballerstatus.com/2012/09/21/nfl-qb-vince-young-blow-26-million-spending-habits/

[QUOTE]elow is a breakdown of some of his ridiculous spending habits (via ThisIs50.com):

1. Vince Young's favorite restaurant to hang out in? T.G.I. Friday's on Nashville's West End Avenue.

It was here he once dropped $6k on a meal for he and other players. Yes, $6k. At a T.G.I.Friday's. Players would congregate at the bar

2. The bartenders, who got to know Vince thanks to his frequent visits at T.G.I. Friday's, told Vince they'd make him a "special" drink.

It was a melon drop, which VY had everytime he came to the restaurant.

3. During his rookie season, VY spent $5k a week at the Cheesecake Factory.

He always picked up the tab for multiple teammates.

4. On a 2007 Southwest flight from Nashville to Houston, VY bought all of the seats, except for about ten passengers who'd bought tickets before he could buy the entire plane.

The plane seated 130 passengers, meaning VY purchased 120 of the seats.

5. After each home football game, VY headed for the Morton's downtown where he would sit at the bar and order $600 shots of Louis XIII.

That can add up in a hurry.


Occasionally being "generous" I can understand, but this fool was just wasting money.

2012Champs
09-21-2012, 03:15 PM
I wouldn't give ANYBODY a rubber stamp that would allow them to write checks in my name. I don't care if you have $8.00 to your name or Oprah money...that's just stupid.



Again its not something regular folks have to worry about. Ive worked with all three types of people I mentioned and seen all three types go broke without people stealing or making bad choices for them. When you run a business as CEO you dont have time to pay all the bills yourself but that doesnt mean you shouldnt look over the books

Dread-Head
09-21-2012, 03:15 PM
[QUOTE=Honoring Earl 34;2018078]http://www.ballerstatus.com/2012/09/21/nfl-qb-vince-young-blow-26-million-spending-habits/



$600 bucks!!!!!!!! Holy schite. Unless you're Carlos Slim or Bill Gates there is no way I'd ever blow Louis XIII, maybe Eloise 38 DD, but not Louis XIII.


Sorry baby, that $600 shot better come with a room & a hooker.

False Start
09-21-2012, 07:27 PM
I guess he will go from, "making it rain" to making it hail at the skrip clubs now. :twocents:

I know there will be Vince nuthuggers that will blame this on Fischer, because he didn't like him, and was never given a chance to succeed. :cry2: :rolleyes:

TheMatrix31
09-21-2012, 07:58 PM
After reading that list, I am even more glad he's broke.

drs23
09-21-2012, 08:15 PM
I guess he will go from, "making it rain" to making it hail at the skrip clubs now. :twocents:

I know there will be Vince nuthuggers that will blame this on Fischer, because he didn't like him, and was never given a chance to succeed. :cry2: :rolleyes:

Ya think? F'kim.

kingh99
09-21-2012, 08:56 PM
I presume UT Alums will take care of him so I don't have to.

False Start
09-21-2012, 10:04 PM
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii202/J4103V/VYWILLWORKcopy_zps9bb9bdb0.jpg

BullBlitz
09-21-2012, 10:07 PM
Good. I'm GLAD he's broke. He's worthless and he's a loser.

How anyone could have the God-given talents he has and COMPLETELY blow them AND the MILLIONS of dollars he got just for being a top draft pick is ****ing beyond me.

**** him.

How nice. Something tells that there is quite a bit that is beyond you.

Honoring Earl 34
09-21-2012, 10:27 PM
VY has an idea for a new invention .

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_YAg9pGiqbQE/RlIZCevZKsI/AAAAAAAABiQ/iq0Dj8IfHEs/s400/a.jpg

http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/elnur/elnur1103/elnur110300068/8949538-concept-with-vacuum-cleaner-sucking-money.jpg

chicagotexan2
09-22-2012, 12:19 PM
VY has an idea for a new invention .

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_YAg9pGiqbQE/RlIZCevZKsI/AAAAAAAABiQ/iq0Dj8IfHEs/s400/a.jpg

http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/elnur/elnur1103/elnur110300068/8949538-concept-with-vacuum-cleaner-sucking-money.jpg

As most people call them -strippers

PapaL
09-22-2012, 01:04 PM
Someone say strippers?!?

b0ng
09-22-2012, 02:56 PM
I have a hard time figuring out why Vince isn't in the CFL or some other football league.

markn
09-22-2012, 03:10 PM
I have a hard time figuring out why Vince isn't in the CFL or some other football league.

Duh, Jeff Fisher called everyone in Canada and warned them.

Dread-Head
09-22-2012, 04:31 PM
I take no joy in the parting of a fool and his money. I hope for his sake he signs with someone soon and learns to manage his money. If not some UT alum will more than likely give him the same sweetheart deal that Dexter Manley currently has i.e disgustingly overpaid "greeter" at a law firm.

CretorFrigg
09-22-2012, 04:31 PM
I guess this is the result of what happens when you score a 9 on the Wonderlic.

:boogereater:

Dread-Head
09-22-2012, 04:38 PM
I guess this is the result of what happens when you score a 9 on the Wonderlic.

:boogereater:


HEY! "I'm a elite quarterback."

TheMatrix31
09-23-2012, 04:54 AM
How nice. Something tells that there is quite a bit that is beyond you.

lol, yeah that must be it.

Dutchrudder
09-25-2012, 05:26 PM
Hey guys, look now you can contribute to a VY 401k!

Vince provided Longhorn fans with 3 years of memories culminating in back-to-back Rose Bowl wins and a National Championship. Not only did he return the University of Texas back to it's rightful place at the top of college football, but he also brought joy and pride to millions of Longhorns across the country.

The least we can do is help the man get back on his feet.


What We Need

That's where you come in...

We want to raise $100,119 (one dollar for every seat in DKR) to provide Vince with a diversified retirement portfolio.

Simply donate a dollar and help a living legend.



Other Ways You Can Help

Spread the word!

Vince may be broke but OU still sucks.



DISCLAIMER: We are in no way affiliated with Vince Young. We're just Longhorns looking to help.


http://www.indiegogo.com/vyretirementfund

Texecutioner
09-25-2012, 07:04 PM
Hey guys, look now you can contribute to a VY 401k!



http://www.indiegogo.com/vyretirementfund

Man, even as a Longhorn fan and VY fan I'm offended by this type of handout. The guy just blew like 23 Million dollars and some dumbass wants to raise all this money so he can get a better 401K. How about helping some fellow Longhorns that are in car accidents and got paralyzed or have had cancer diagnosis? No, they'd rather give a guy who acted like a brat half of his career a free handout, because he blew his wad and trusted a ton of thieves. God, there are some really stupid people out there that worship athletes and entertainers way to much.

Cerberus
09-25-2012, 07:59 PM
its not that hard to blow money, it is hard for people that have never had anywhere near 26MM in understand how it could be done even more so when your income is 0-250M per year. But being wasteful isnt that hard.

It has been shown that those that don't have money generally don't know how to manage money. Therefore, when someone like that wins a lottery they are usually broke again before too long. So, it comes as no surprise to me that guys who make contracts that are like winning a lottery end up blowing it like a poor lottery winner. Then you have the idiot factor:

http://www.break.com/usercontent/2010/2/3/jamarcus-russell%E2%80%99s-bling-holding-back-his-game-1712547

http://www.break.com/usercontent/2010/2/3/jamarcus-russell%E2%80%99s-bling-holding-back-his-game-1712547

dc_txtech
09-25-2012, 11:16 PM
Might just be a rumor but I heard Texan Bill has won and lost multiple fortunes in Houston strip clubs that would make VY's numbers pale by comparison.

Showtime100
09-26-2012, 09:36 AM
I think there's an opening for a logo painter in Minneapolis.

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r65/ShowtimeN15580/Pet%20Funny%20Misc/midfield-mistake-002.jpg

Great googley moogely.

Texan_Bill
09-26-2012, 09:39 AM
What did his financial advisors and agent do to take advantage of him?

Dunno. That's what he is claiming.

chicagotexan2
09-26-2012, 12:02 PM
I think there's an opening for a logo painter in Minneapolis.

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r65/ShowtimeN15580/Pet%20Funny%20Misc/midfield-mistake-002.jpg

Great googley moogely.

They must have used replacement logo painters.

2012Champs
09-26-2012, 06:50 PM
Dunno. That's what he is claiming.


Well what one claims and what actually happens can be greatly different. VY has blown money on silly crap so it wouldn't shock me if he just blew it all

TexanExile
09-26-2012, 07:52 PM
Man, even as a Longhorn fan and VY fan I'm offended by this type of handout. The guy just blew like 23 Million dollars and some dumbass wants to raise all this money so he can get a better 401K. How about helping some fellow Longhorns that are in car accidents and got paralyzed or have had cancer diagnosis? No, they'd rather give a guy who acted like a brat half of his career a free handout, because he blew his wad and trusted a ton of thieves. God, there are some really stupid people out there that worship athletes and entertainers way to much.

I was going to post this, almost verbatim except with a few more expletives. Well said.

The only funny thing about it is that they've only collected 47 bucks, from a total of 8 people. That was money better spent at Double Dave's for Pep'roni Rolls and Shiner.

Or, 1 more dollar and they could order one Prime Ribeye with sautéed mushrooms off this pertinent menu (http://www.vinceyoungsteakhouse.com/images/menuPDF/dinnerMenu2012.pdf).

NitroGSXR
09-26-2012, 08:35 PM
I think there's an opening for a logo painter in Minneapolis.

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r65/ShowtimeN15580/Pet%20Funny%20Misc/midfield-mistake-002.jpg

Great googley moogely.

I can fix that. Give them my number.

CloakNNNdagger
09-27-2012, 12:04 PM
Here's a different take:

VINCE YOUNG AND THE MEATPEEPER (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3g8FiaKYRM&feature=player_embedded)

Hervoyel
09-27-2012, 12:23 PM
So basically Vince can't even afford a ticket to get into "his house" to see "his team" play the Texans on Sunday.

Sad but I can live with that.

Mr teX
09-27-2012, 12:51 PM
Hey guys, look now you can contribute to a VY 401k!



http://www.indiegogo.com/vyretirementfund

As a man, u should have a problem taking that money if someone offered it to you....especially if everyone is privy to how you blew millions.

Double Barrel
09-27-2012, 12:52 PM
Does this mean VY has to give his Hall of Fame jacket back?

2012Champs
09-27-2012, 01:49 PM
Here's a different take:

VINCE YOUNG AND THE MEATPEEPER (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3g8FiaKYRM&feature=player_embedded)



There is a lot of truth in that video

Mr teX
09-27-2012, 02:01 PM
There is a lot of truth in that video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DYje57V_BY

cosign...lol at his definition of a "meatpeeper"

Specnatz
12-06-2012, 02:21 PM
Vince Young vows to “fight hard” for another chance in the NFL

“I made some mistakes. And when you have the type of mistakes that I have, being quarterback in the NFL, it can ruin your career. So right now, I’m trying to fight hard to give it another go, another shot,” Young said.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/06/vince-young-vows-to-fight-hard-for-another-chance-in-the-nfl/

:cheese:

Trap_Star
12-06-2012, 03:18 PM
VY loves the meat whistle.

infantrycak
12-06-2012, 03:26 PM
There has to be some talk among NFL insiders that is keeping him from getting signed. I was never an advocate for him coming here but look around the league and honestly say he isn't better than many of the 2nd and 3rd string QB's.

Or to put a blunt point on it, if the Texans had to go out on Monday to play would you rather have Carr or VY starting?

DexmanC
12-06-2012, 03:55 PM
There has to be some talk among NFL insiders that is keeping him from getting signed. I was never an advocate for him coming here but look around the league and honestly say he isn't better than many of the 2nd and 3rd string QB's.

Or to put a blunt point on it, if the Texans had to go out on Monday to play would you rather have Carr or VY starting?

I was thinking along the same lines. I thought for sure he'd be a good
candidate for San Francisco or even Kansas City. Lack of talent just can't
be the primary reason he's out of the league.

Double Barrel
12-06-2012, 04:11 PM
Dude is a great athlete. He should take the attitude of making a team at any position. I know guys get stuck on having to play QB once they've done it, but VY could line up at TE and probably be pretty good at it.

I think his little stunt with Fisher is what has haunted him. The perception is that he quit his team, and that's something that will follow a player.

2012Champs
12-06-2012, 04:12 PM
There has to be some talk among NFL insiders that is keeping him from getting signed. I was never an advocate for him coming here but look around the league and honestly say he isn't better than many of the 2nd and 3rd string QB's.

Or to put a blunt point on it, if the Texans had to go out on Monday to play would you rather have Carr or VY starting?



Im sure the inside talk is he is lazy and isnt reliable or something of the sort so while he may be better in terms of ability whos to say he will be around when you need him.

ChampionTexan
12-06-2012, 04:29 PM
Dude is a great athlete. He should take the attitude of making a team at any position. I know guys get stuck on having to play QB once they've done it, but VY could line up at TE and probably be pretty good at it.

I think his little stunt with Fisher is what has haunted him. The perception is that he quit his team, and that's something that will follow a player.

While the Fisher incident didn't help, he still was signed twice after that. The Eagles kept him for a year and saw horrible results including 4TD passes compared to 9 interceptions. In spite of that, the Bills still saw fit to sign him to a contract and despite giving him almost all of the off-season and pre-season to prove himself as a backup, let him go in favor of Tarvaris Jackson. Chan Gailey's exact quote when releasing Vince was:
He didn’t quite get everything that we were trying to do and we were asking him to do some things that probably didn’t fit him.

To me that essentially means he's not capable of picking up an offensive system (again - even with OTA's, Mini-camp and Training Camp). Physical talent is one thing, but it's trumped when you're a QB and aren't smart enough.

Speedy
12-06-2012, 04:38 PM
There has to be some talk among NFL insiders that is keeping him from getting signed. I was never an advocate for him coming here but look around the league and honestly say he isn't better than many of the 2nd and 3rd string QB's.

Or to put a blunt point on it, if the Texans had to go out on Monday to play would you rather have Carr or VY starting?

Probably has a lot more to do with his attitude, work ethic, etc, than his talent.

Gun to my head between Carr and VY, just pull the trigger. I'd probably take experience over the still raw, unwillingness to do the work required of the position talent that is VY.

If he gets his head on right and does the work that it takes to be successful in this league, because talent alone doesn't get it done, then more power to him. For now, I'll take Case Keenum over him in a heartbeat.

SheTexan
12-06-2012, 04:58 PM
There has to be some talk among NFL insiders that is keeping him from getting signed. I was never an advocate for him coming here but look around the league and honestly say he isn't better than many of the 2nd and 3rd string QB's.

Or to put a blunt point on it, if the Texans had to go out on Monday to play would you rather have Carr or VY starting?

Ya know my answer!! I don't want VY anywhere near our TEXANS, and that includes anywhere in the stadium!! If I see him on the front row of my section, where several friends of some of our players have been this year, I'll make it my goal to make sure he gets all the beer he could ever want, and none of it will end up in his stomach!!

eriadoc
12-06-2012, 05:07 PM
There has to be some talk among NFL insiders that is keeping him from getting signed. I was never an advocate for him coming here but look around the league and honestly say he isn't better than many of the 2nd and 3rd string QB's.

He's not. He's probably not appreciably worse, either. But when you get down the depth chart like that, things other than the ability to run around the football field come into play. Coaches want to know that you can study the play book and learn the offense enough to come in at a moment's notice and at least give the guys around you a chance to win. VY doesn't have that.

Or to put a blunt point on it, if the Texans had to go out on Monday to play would you rather have Carr or VY starting?

I'd take Mr. Checkdown. At least he knows where the outlet receiver is and he won't turn the ball over much. It'd be a defense and running game type of game. Furthermore, I think NFL coaches would take Carr over VY, because they know they can plan around his limitations. VY out there is just too much of a wild card for them. Coaches are control freaks like very few others.

Specnatz
12-06-2012, 05:21 PM
Or to put a blunt point on it, if the Texans had to go out on Monday to play would you rather have Carr or VY starting?

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o195/Specnatz/puke.gif http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o195/Specnatz/gun-kill.gif

houstonspartan
12-06-2012, 05:40 PM
I think coaches are starting to see how much Jeff Fisher had to prop this guy up and completely revamp the offense to make up for his lack of skill. As someone mentioned, even when you get down the depth chart, you need a back-up to jump in and run plays. No one has time for hand-holding.


Problem with Vince is that his fans have totally turned me off to any story of redemption. I have no ill will towards the guy on a personal level, but, his cult has made me really not care whether he gets another shot or not. Let THEM give him a job, since they love him so much.

b0ng
12-06-2012, 07:29 PM
There has to be some talk among NFL insiders that is keeping him from getting signed. I was never an advocate for him coming here but look around the league and honestly say he isn't better than many of the 2nd and 3rd string QB's.

Or to put a blunt point on it, if the Texans had to go out on Monday to play would you rather have Carr or VY starting?

Being completely uncoachable can do that. From his meltdowns on the Titans, to the hilarious media faux pas while on the Eagles, it's not really that big of a mystery why coaches would rather march out Brady Quin, Ryan Lindley and Nick Foles.

And I would rather shoot myself than either of those guys, but if I had to choose I'd probably choose Carr, because while that guy won't win you a game (ever), he's not going to try and hot dog it and offer up a bunch of needless turnovers.

Plus Carr is a fairly benign dude with the media, whereas you know Young is going to give you a juicy quote to run with.

NitroGSXR
12-06-2012, 07:56 PM
He's not. He's probably not appreciably worse, either. But when you get down the depth chart like that, things other than the ability to run around the football field come into play. Coaches want to know that you can study the play book and learn the offense enough to come in at a moment's notice and at least give the guys around you a chance to win. VY doesn't have that.



I'd take Mr. Checkdown. At least he knows where the outlet receiver is and he won't turn the ball over much. It'd be a defense and running game type of game. Furthermore, I think NFL coaches would take Carr over VY, because they know they can plan around his limitations. VY out there is just too much of a wild card for them. Coaches are control freaks like very few others.

How do you plan around a QB who immediately curls into a ball once the ball is snapped?

b0ng
12-06-2012, 08:02 PM
VY out there is just too much of a wild card for them.

All I can really think about while reading your post:
http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj320/Liz_reeks_of_awesomeness/its-always-sunny-charlie-wildcard-b.gif

Specnatz
12-10-2012, 09:30 AM
Vince Young makes Twitter bid for shot with Cardinals

Vince Young ✔

@VinceYoung

@LarryFitzgerald you know I can help tell coach.



This is just to damn funny. :clown:

Hervoyel
12-10-2012, 10:39 AM
How do you plan around a QB who immediately curls into a ball once the ball is snapped?

Direct snap to the RB, every single offensive play.

Well, OK sometimes you snap it to the FB when you want to mix things up a little. Every now and then if Carr is having a good day and feeling adventurous you snap it to him and have him throw it but only if he's feeling up to it. The rest of the time you tell David that it's ok if he curls up into a ball as long as he does it in front of the RB. That way maybe some defender might trip over him.

Honoring Earl 34
12-10-2012, 01:04 PM
How do you plan around a QB who immediately curls into a ball once the ball is snapped?

The falling lulls them to sleep then we spring the trap ... the slant .

This will be the new mascot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGz97dxGHV8

GlassHalfFull
02-08-2013, 01:05 PM
ALL THAT AND A BAG OF MAIL: VINCE YOUNG COED FLAG FOOTBALL EDITION (http://outkickthecoverage.com/all-that-and-a-bag-of-mail-vince-young-coed-flag-football-edition.php)

It's come to this for Vince Young, he can't find an NFL job so he's now playing coed flag football at the University of Texas. Think about this career trajectory for a moment. From posting the best performance in the history of college football in the BCS title game -- his final play in a Longhorn uniform was a 4th down scramble for an undefeated title in a BCS championship game -- to playing coed flag football while going back to school to get your degree because no one will let you play quarterback for them anymore.

handswarmer
02-08-2013, 01:16 PM
$5,000 a week CARRY OUT food from the CheeseCake Factory...


could have hired a Chef for cheaper tha that.....:wadepalm:

ChampionTexan
02-08-2013, 02:37 PM
ALL THAT AND A BAG OF MAIL: VINCE YOUNG COED FLAG FOOTBALL EDITION (http://outkickthecoverage.com/all-that-and-a-bag-of-mail-vince-young-coed-flag-football-edition.php)

Coed? Oh how he must hate this - before, even his birthday parties weren't coed.

http://drunkathlete.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/vince_young_drunk21.jpg

BullNation4Life
02-08-2013, 03:06 PM
VY...Where quitting on your team happens...

VY...Where crying and running away after fans boo you happens...

VY...Where mental midgets happen...

VY...Where work ethic doesn't happen...

handswarmer
02-09-2013, 10:45 AM
Somwhere, Charlie Casserly is laughing his ass off....

Fred
02-09-2013, 12:37 PM
Somwhere, Charlie Casserly is laughing his ass off....

I'm not sure that the man who picked Heath Shuler and David Carr is entitled to laugh at other's QB picks.

Playoffs
02-09-2013, 12:52 PM
Somwhere, Charlie Casserly is laughing his ass off....

...or talking lip about Joe Flacco: Former GM Charley Casserly: Joe Flacco is not an elite QB (http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2013/01/04/former-gm-charlie-casserly-says-baltimore-ravens-joe-flacco-is-not-an-elite-qb/1809925/)

Hookem Horns
02-09-2013, 01:02 PM
Somwhere, Charlie Casserly is laughing his ass off....

I am still convinced that cASSerely had little to do with that draft. He wanted Reggie Bush and was a lame duck GM at that point.

Wolf
02-09-2013, 01:18 PM
Guess the good thing is if they play shirts versus skins and he is skins, he still has his name on his back

handswarmer
02-09-2013, 01:23 PM
...or talking lip about Joe Flacco: Former GM Charley Casserly: Joe Flacco is not an elite QB (http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2013/01/04/former-gm-charlie-casserly-says-baltimore-ravens-joe-flacco-is-not-an-elite-qb/1809925/)

Article written Jan 4th- wonder what he thinks now?

Playoffs
02-09-2013, 02:28 PM
I am still convinced that cASSerely had little to do with that draft. He wanted Reggie Bush and was a lame duck GM at that point.

I've mentioned before, I've been told by two close to the situation that Casserly repeatedly taking the credit for Mario is total b.s. VY was an instant "No" from staff and Mr. McNair took Bush off the board when he received confirmation of the USC reports.

Showtime100
02-10-2013, 03:52 AM
Article written Jan 4th- wonder what he thinks now?

Maybe what I think. Does the term "flash in the pan" ring a bell?

I honestly believe the Ravens will sign him to a long term contract and rue the day they did so. Only speculation on my part, and only time will tell.

steelbtexan
02-10-2013, 07:55 AM
Maybe what I think. Does the term "flash in the pan" ring a bell?

I honestly believe the Ravens will sign him to a long term contract and rue the day they did so. Only speculation on my part, and only time will tell.

Flacco has won more playoff games on the road than any other QB in history for the amount of time he has played. That's hardly what I would call a flash in the pan. Wish Schaub could be that good. LOL

Vinny
02-10-2013, 11:36 AM
Flacco has won more playoff games on the road than any other QB in history for the amount of time he has played. That's hardly what I would call a flash in the pan. Wish Schaub could be that good. LOLyeah, these Flacco butthertz posts on this site make me cringe. I like to think we are a group of smart fans...but then I read all that Flacco butthertz stuff. oye.

handswarmer
02-11-2013, 08:29 AM
Maybe what I think. Does the term "flash in the pan" ring a bell?

I honestly believe the Ravens will sign him to a long term contract and rue the day they did so. Only speculation on my part, and only time will tell.

"Flash in the pan"??? :user:

Hookem Horns
02-11-2013, 01:44 PM
"Flash in the pan"??? :user:

I went school in Delaware so am a Flacco supporter. He's more than a "flash in the pan". Is he "elite" using that term that many like to throw around? I don't think so. I think is a good/solid QB that had one of his better seasons this year on a very good team that caught fire at the right time.

I think many Texans fans might be down on him because they remember the thrashing the Texans gave him and the Ravens during the season. However that Ravens team was missing a LOT of key players. Had the Texans won homefield advantage I am pretty sure they would have been bounced by the Ravens in the divisional round and opinions would be different around here.

thunderkyss
02-11-2013, 01:55 PM
I think many Texans fans might be down on him because they remember the thrashing the Texans gave him and the Ravens during the season.

I recognize what Flacco accomplished in the play offs. But I also remember how he played in the regular season. Flacco is missing a level of consistency & I believe that is why so many of us are not on board with the Flacco worship.

We knew that if we get pressure on Flacco, he's going to struggle. We're able to get pressure on Flacco with some regularity & he struggles. It happened the last three times we played him.

We got pressure on Rogers, he ate our lunch. We got pressure on Brady he went home with our girl.

There's no doubt in my mind Joe Flacco won't better his 2012 regular season & his play in the regular season isn't close to the top QBs in the league. If they get to the play offs again, watch out. IF

I've got nothing against him. I love the NFL & there are particular players that I enjoy to watch play the game. I'm not interested in Joe Flacco until January.

HJam72
02-11-2013, 02:02 PM
He did what he did and he deserves credit for that. Sure love to see Schaub do that, even if he sucked the next year.

StarStruck
02-11-2013, 04:07 PM
My first opportunity today to get on the board and seems that my Internet is messed up. I was checking for the latest on Vince Young, but the last page is switched from the Ravens thread. I've seen some strange stuff happen on my "smart" phone, but this is a first on the message board.

Specnatz
02-12-2013, 04:56 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000138466/article/vince-youngs-300k-party-questioned-in-lawsuit-challenge?campaign=Twitter_news

Young testified during a deposition in December that he "probably" signed some of the loan documents in the presence of a notary at a law office in Houston. But he said he had no need for a loan, never sought one and didn't have access to the proceeds.

:truck:

Texn4life
02-13-2013, 12:18 AM
Can't post a link because I'm on my phone but PFT posted a story about VY taking out a loan because he didn't have enough money to throw a $300,000 part for himself a couple of years ago. Man Vince, you've made it hard for even your biggest supporters to have your back.

Norg
02-13-2013, 04:41 AM
u think things would have been different if we drafted VY to play here...??? and dumped Carr like a year early

2012Champs
02-13-2013, 12:38 PM
u think things would have been different if we drafted VY to play here...??? and dumped Carr like a year early



I dont think VY would have been any different

b0ng
02-14-2013, 01:14 PM
u think things would have been different if we drafted VY to play here...??? and dumped Carr like a year early

It probably would've been worse since all his "peoples" live in Houston I imagine.

Norg
02-14-2013, 03:24 PM
we would have deff made the playoffs alot sooner

and not lose to the titans all thoes years i dont think VY has never lost to the texans during thoes years even Collins racked up a few wins on us has well

The1ApplePie
02-21-2013, 10:11 PM
I honestly would like a documentary crew to follow Vince around 24-7 for his attempted comeback. Pretty much for the sole reason that there is a 100% chance of it being a real-life episode of Eastbound and Down.

Dread-Head
02-22-2013, 10:13 AM
Can't post a link because I'm on my phone but PFT posted a story about VY taking out a loan because he didn't have enough money to throw a $300,000 party for himself a couple of years ago. Man Vince, you've made it hard for even your biggest supporters to have your back.

:headhurts: Vuggin' SERIOUSLY!?

Vince: Oh LAWD I'm so BROKE!...I want to throw myself a party. What's it gonna cost?

Party Planner: 300 Thousand!


Vince: Damn! Well entourage, fair weather freinds and various parasites...I guess y'all know what that means. A brutha GOTSTA GET A LOAN!


Iesvs Vince! Go to a strip club then go home and get drunk ya moe-rahn. You can't afford to party like Jay-Z boy! Ya aint gots that skrilla my go-rilla! :vincepalm: I know you want better...but you lackin the cheddar! You want what you've seen but you aint got tha GREEN! You can't plot that caper...'cause you aint go the paper! I aint tryin' to be funny...boy you aint got no MONEY!

:dread:


He wanna be a...baller...shot caller...20 inch blades...on his Geo Metro...

Double Barrel
03-07-2013, 06:18 PM
Vince Young sent letter of apology to Jeff Fisher

After spending the 2012 season out of football, free agent quarterback Vince Young is attempting to draw interest from NFL teams this offseason. Young is working towards his college degree at the University of Texas and is scheduled to work out at the school's pro day on March 26.

Another part of Young's plan to re-enter the NFL was to apologize to Jeff Fisher, the current head coach of the St. Louis Rams who was Young's head coach with the Tennessee Titans for five seasons.

Full story (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/vince-young-sent-letter-apology-jeff-fisher-154107793--nfl.html)

I'm not surprised by the story. Dude is broke and needs a job. And he's probably matured and coming to the realization that a lot of his troubles were self-inflicted.

What did surprise me is that VY is only two years younger than Matt Schaub. Vince will be 30 next season, Matt will be 32. For some reason, I thought there would be a bigger gap between their ages, not that it matters much.

thunderkyss
03-07-2013, 07:09 PM
What did surprise me is that VY is only two years younger than Matt Schaub. Vince will be 30 next season, Matt will be 32. For some reason, I thought there would be a bigger gap between their ages, not that it matters much.

Matt's receding hairline makes him look older than he is. The things Vince says make him appear younger than he is, like 6th grade level.

HJam72
03-07-2013, 07:14 PM
Holy Mehumred of Evudation, give the guy a break.

dc_txtech
03-07-2013, 09:55 PM
Vince Young to participate in UT's pro day.

http://nesn.com/2013/03/vince-young-will-work-out-at-university-of-texas-pro-day-on-march-26/

For those who didn't know.