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srrono
09-18-2012, 08:31 PM
https://twitter.com/AlanBurge/status/248214684229070848/photo/1

This shot is indicative of why the Texans were unable to go deep on Jax but why they had success w/run & short stuff

http://i50.tinypic.com/2jz3wy.jpg

Alan Burge ‏@AlanBurge
Deep safeties, soft corner coverage and the mike dropping into mid-zones. Of course the Texans had 5 guys in the pattern on this one...

badboy
09-18-2012, 09:50 PM
Looks like Texans defense before new DBs coach.

HJam72
09-18-2012, 10:08 PM
Nothing wrong with 8 yard pass completions on every play.

1st & 10, 2nd and 2, 1st & 10, 2nd and 2, 1st and 10, 2nd & 2.....TD.

DRP
09-18-2012, 10:30 PM
Take what the defense gives you...

Titans Sux 72
09-18-2012, 10:39 PM
Nothing wrong with 8 yard pass completions on every play.

1st & 10, 2nd and 2, 1st & 10, 2nd and 2, 1st and 10, 2nd & 2.....TD.


What he said.:barman:

PapaL
09-18-2012, 10:52 PM
We didn't go deep down the field but we went deep in that....hey look something shiny.

Yankee_In_TX
09-18-2012, 10:54 PM
Take what the defense gives you...

Exactly. They took away Dre and the deep ball and gave us dinking, dunking and running all day.

Scooter
09-18-2012, 11:02 PM
you also dont show your hand if you dont have to. kubiak is a very long term thinker, sometimes a positive and sometimes to his detriment. i believe that he wanted to iron a few things out, and give future opponents nothing to work with. with the game in the bag shortly after his script ended, kubes went into practice mode - working on the team and getting ready for next week. heck that might have been his plan from the beginning with the onslaught of screens and play action - backing the jags up into coverage so we could just grind this one out.

Carr Bombed
09-18-2012, 11:49 PM
We didn't go deep down the field but we went deep in that....hey look something shiny.

Diggin for corn huh? :lol:

Carr Bombed
09-18-2012, 11:59 PM
you also dont show your hand if you dont have to. kubiak is a very long term thinker, sometimes a positive and sometimes to his detriment. i believe that he wanted to iron a few things out, and give future opponents nothing to work with. with the game in the bag shortly after his script ended, kubes went into practice mode - working on the team and getting ready for next week. heck that might have been his plan from the beginning with the onslaught of screens and play action - backing the jags up into coverage so we could just grind this one out.

Exactly.. I like the way the schedule set up this year. It was like a schedule that a major Div 1 program would set up. Play a couple of directional/state schools to knock off the rust and then start playing against conference/BCS talent. We're done with the warmups (Miami and Jags) now I think we're about to open it up and see more wrinkles.. on defense also where we've been mainly rushing teams with a four man front.

michaelm
09-19-2012, 01:00 AM
you also dont show your hand if you dont have to. kubiak is a very long term thinker, sometimes a positive and sometimes to his detriment. i believe that he wanted to iron a few things out, and give future opponents nothing to work with. with the game in the bag shortly after his script ended, kubes went into practice mode - working on the team and getting ready for next week. heck that might have been his plan from the beginning with the onslaught of screens and play action - backing the jags up into coverage so we could just grind this one out.

I've had a similar feeling about Wade and the defense this year.
I'm convinced he has called mainly base defense in the first two games because he knows he doesn't need to do anything exotic to win. I don't think we've blitzed at nearly the same rate as last year.
I fully expect to see him to show some new wrinkles this week vs Peyton.

Scooter
09-19-2012, 02:52 AM
I've had a similar feeling about Wade and the defense this year.
I'm convinced he has called mainly base defense in the first two games because he knows he doesn't need to do anything exotic to win. I don't think we've blitzed at nearly the same rate as last year.
I fully expect to see him to show some new wrinkles this week vs Peyton.

i think you're right, especially in regards to blitzing. not that we generally blitz a ton, wade loves his 5 down mixed man to man with 1 optional, but our OLB's have been in coverage quite a bit and we're not sending our ILB's as much as i thought we would. we've seen a couple safety blitzes, but again, not as often as i expected.

kwayshauntay
09-19-2012, 03:16 AM
so wait...this actually happens in real live non-preseason nfl games that actually count? coaches look ahead? coaches hold back, and then hope they can flip the switch later on, when they need it?

i thought it was tunnel vision, win the game in front of you at all costs by any means necessary, take nothing for granted, and make it a habit of playing full speed, so that you don't have to hope that you can flip the switch later on should things get desperate. is this not the case?

Scooter
09-19-2012, 04:02 AM
edit.

Titans Sux 72
09-19-2012, 12:17 PM
so wait...this actually happens in real live non-preseason nfl games that actually count? coaches look ahead? coaches hold back, and then hope they can flip the switch later on, when they need it?

i thought it was tunnel vision, win the game in front of you at all costs by any means necessary, take nothing for granted, and make it a habit of playing full speed, so that you don't have to hope that you can flip the switch later on should things get desperate. is this not the case?

Yeah you just put it on cruise control and go into "practice" mode.

You've never heard the phrase " Play like you practice"????

I've had wrong this whole time!

Scooter
09-19-2012, 01:26 PM
funny. yall make it sound as if i said to go home at halftime. does cushing play harder when he blitzes than when he's in coverage? does schaub start throwing underhanded because we're not using more creative route combinations? no, the players are still out there for 60 minutes, there's nothing for the coach to ramp up. instead of using a stunt with cushing and barwin when we dont need it, save it. same with route and blocking combos when the basics are getting the job done. we're in the same packages, there's no intensity change from the playcalling, only aggression and risk/reward.

the point was that kubiak likes to use one game to set up another. same as a run will set up play action later. we used screen and play fakes early to back the jags up and then proceeded to rush for 200+ yards and throw short passes to continue drives. since we struggled running against the dolphins, rushing was obviously an area kubiak wanted to set up early and work on whenever possible. now, if you're denver, do you not cheat up and send run blitzes early based on the routes and playcalling you've been studying all week? what about the offensive linemen, how do they prepare for blitz packages and disguises we didnt use?

The Pencil Neck
09-19-2012, 02:30 PM
so wait...this actually happens in real live non-preseason nfl games that actually count? coaches look ahead? coaches hold back, and then hope they can flip the switch later on, when they need it?

i thought it was tunnel vision, win the game in front of you at all costs by any means necessary, take nothing for granted, and make it a habit of playing full speed, so that you don't have to hope that you can flip the switch later on should things get desperate. is this not the case?

I think people often get confused about all these sayings and things that are out there and they forget context.

Most of those great sayings about not looking ahead and about taking one game at a time, those are sayings for the players and about how they have to play. They have to go out every game and leave it on the field. They can't be worried about who's coming up or what happened a few weeks ago.

Fans say that to other fans. "Don't look ahead!" like fans are players. We're not players. We CAN look ahead. We can look at the schedule and count games as won or lost before we've played them because... we don't matter. What we think about the games doesn't have any effect or power over anything.

But the coaches? The coaches' goal is to get into the playoffs. They have to think both from a strategic and from a tactical viewpoint. They have to have long-term goals and short-term goals. They know that if they show tendencies, other teams are going to pick up on them. They know if they show a particular play, it's going to be on film and studied.

And so coaches play a game above the game. They're trying to get guys to prepare for stuff and then do something different. Wade's not showing all of his blitzes at this point. Kubes isn't showing all of his passes.

A great example was last year against the Buccs. We're coming off a game where we rushed for 260 yards and only threw for 119 and crushed the Browns. So what do the Buccs do? They prepare for the rush. They're jabbering all week about how we're not going to run on them and how they have to stop the rush. And what do we do? Opening play, bootleg, 80-yd TD to Jacoby Jones.

Double Barrel
09-19-2012, 04:02 PM
Lots of coaches in NFL history have played their cards close to their chest and kept certain plays out of rotation until later in the season.

I rember seeing Bill Belichick talk about Bill Walsh and Tom Landry planning things like this, which he does, as well.

It's a simple concept. Don't show more than you need to show. If you don't need to reveal plays to beat lesser opponents that you are dominating, why do it? It's a tactical advantage to always keep something up your sleeve.

DavisAg
09-19-2012, 04:19 PM
The play calling on both sides of the ball have been very vanilla, which is a good thing considering we stomped our first two opponents. We get two warm up games to shake the rust off and work out the kinks before the "real" games.

I think this defense is licking its chops after watching Denver on Monday night. That being said, Peyton Manning is still Peyton Manning. I'm just looking forward to seeing more of the exotic packages Wade will unveil this weekend. If Atlanta had success getting into the backfield, we should have no trouble doing so.

Titans Sux 72
09-19-2012, 04:23 PM
funny. yall make it sound as if i said to go home at halftime. does cushing play harder when he blitzes than when he's in coverage? does schaub start throwing underhanded because we're not using more creative route combinations? no, the players are still out there for 60 minutes, there's nothing for the coach to ramp up. instead of using a stunt with cushing and barwin when we dont need it, save it. same with route and blocking combos when the basics are getting the job done. we're in the same packages, there's no intensity change from the playcalling, only aggression and risk/reward.

the point was that kubiak likes to use one game to set up another. same as a run will set up play action later. we used screen and play fakes early to back the jags up and then proceeded to rush for 200+ yards and throw short passes to continue drives. since we struggled running against the dolphins, rushing was obviously an area kubiak wanted to set up early and work on whenever possible. now, if you're denver, do you not cheat up and send run blitzes early based on the routes and playcalling you've been studying all week? what about the offensive linemen, how do they prepare for blitz packages and disguises we didnt use?

I just think you are over thinking it.
DRP wrapped it up in one sentence. Take what the defense is giving you.
Plain and simple.

Scooter
09-19-2012, 04:36 PM
I just think you are over thinking it.
DRP wrapped it up in one sentence. Take what the defense is giving you.
Plain and simple.

exactly. and with sound strategy and foresight, the coaches can influence what the defense gives us.

Scooter
09-19-2012, 04:43 PM
A great example was last year against the Buccs. We're coming off a game where we rushed for 260 yards and only threw for 119 and crushed the Browns. So what do the Buccs do? They prepare for the rush. They're jabbering all week about how we're not going to run on them and how they have to stop the rush. And what do we do? Opening play, bootleg, 80-yd TD to Jacoby Jones.

yup yup. and a good example of hiding what you've got happened against the dolphins. they sat on a run blocking scheme during the preseason and caught us completely unaware. we were able to adjust at halftime, but without some fortunate bounces or against a better team, we could've been in a big hole early.

80tothezone
09-21-2012, 03:50 PM
so wait...this actually happens in real live non-preseason nfl games that actually count? coaches look ahead? coaches hold back, and then hope they can flip the switch later on, when they need it?

i thought it was tunnel vision, win the game in front of you at all costs by any means necessary, take nothing for granted, and make it a habit of playing full speed, so that you don't have to hope that you can flip the switch later on should things get desperate. is this not the case?

Well when the other team's O has-4 yards and 0 points at the half I would imagine whatever you are doing is working pretty good. You do what ever it takes but you don't necessarily do everything. Now if the game were closer then you risk more stuff and throw more wrinkles but why give #18 any more film on our D than he already has?

kingh99
09-21-2012, 09:08 PM
Because they didn't need to in order to win handily. They controlled the clock in record making fashion. Why on earth would they want to energize the opponent by putting the ball up for grabs and risk interception when the game was well in hand. Imagine the outcry of they got 80 injured on an unnecessary long pass. Kudos to Gary for managing the game intelligently.

Speedy
09-21-2012, 09:22 PM
Yeah, fantasy players have got to hate the Texans right about now. Especially those who own 8 and 80.

That's all I heard about all week around the water cooler. Why don't the Texans throw more, what's wrong with Schaub, why can't they get it to AJ? I'm like dude, they ran for 216 yards, had the ball for 45 minutes and won by 20. What the hell? Who gives a rat's ass about your fantasy team?

ObsiWan
09-23-2012, 02:58 AM
Yeah, fantasy players have got to hate the Texans right about now. Especially those who own 8 and 80.

That's all I heard about all week around the water cooler. Why don't the Texans throw more, what's wrong with Schaub, why can't they get it to AJ? I'm like dude, they ran for 216 yards, had the ball for 45 minutes and won by 20. What the hell? Who gives a rat's ass about your fantasy team?

I own them both and I wasn't pissed
...because we won.

hradhak
09-23-2012, 10:40 AM
I don't think he necessarily held back. We tried the bootleg a few times but they were doubliing Andre.
The thing that makes our offense dangerous is that we spread the field so well that any team is going to have trouble locking us down. A team can shut down one piece but we will always have something else to take its place. I don't think shutting down the big play is necessarily the right strategy in every case. Dinking and dunking is very high percentage vs the big play and it's gotta be demoralizing / exhausting for teams to get beat repeatedly over the entire game.