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TexansFanatic
09-16-2012, 01:31 PM
His upside does not supersede his downside.

Am I the only one who sees it this way?

I hate to think of another playoff game lost thanks to a guy who forces you to hold your breath every time he's on the field.

utahmark
09-16-2012, 01:38 PM
Maybe he is a td waiting to happen.

texanmojo
09-16-2012, 02:30 PM
I have to admit he is making me nervous.

GP
09-16-2012, 02:31 PM
He's no JJ Moses. Holliday can take it to the house...but the decision skills and hands worry me.

Not a fan, not a hater. Just concerned, as you are.

2slik4u
09-16-2012, 02:40 PM
His upside does not supersede his downside.

Am I the only one who sees it this way?

I hate to think of another playoff game lost thanks to a guy who forces you to hold your breath every time he's on the field.

I think we are overly nervous because of the Jacoby Jones debacle we have lived thru the past 4 years.

I am always nervous on punt returns. Pisses me off that I am that way.

msbbc833
09-16-2012, 02:57 PM
If we drop him, who else can return kicks and punts? Manning would be wasting energy on ST. Maybe Forsett?

Texn4life
09-16-2012, 03:18 PM
He's not going anywhere unless he starts giving the ball away. He hasn't done that as of yet. I still sense some nerves there though. I've been disappointed with our return blocking units as well. Way too many penalties today on returns.

gtexan02
09-16-2012, 03:40 PM
He had one muff today, but the second one hit off Quinn's helmet. Not Holliday's fault

fiasco west
09-16-2012, 03:43 PM
Maybe he is a td waiting to happen.

He's both.

A accident or a TD waiting to happen.

He's dropped, muffed, way too many punts in the first couple of games though.

houstonspartan
09-16-2012, 04:15 PM
It's not just you. For some reason, I take a deep breath whenever he has the ball.

Dutchrudder
09-16-2012, 04:26 PM
He had one muff today, but the second one hit off Quinn's helmet. Not Holliday's fault

The return man is supposed to make a hand signal and back away from the area if he's not going to catch the ball. Quin and the other gunner were blocking out because they thought he was in position to make a return. They can't see the ball coming from their POV, so they have to rely on the returnman to make the call. It is completely on Holliday to call them off on short punts.

gtexan02
09-16-2012, 04:30 PM
The return man is supposed to make a hand signal and back away from the area if he's not going to catch the ball. Quin and the other gunner were blocking out because they thought he was in position to make a return. They can't see the ball coming from their POV, so they have to rely on the returnman to make the call. It is completely on Holliday to call them off on short punts.

I may be wrong, but I thought Holliday motioned for the fair catch and then had to get out of the way because Quinn got too close to him

Texn4life
09-16-2012, 04:31 PM
The return man is supposed to make a hand signal and back away from the area if he's not going to catch the ball. Quin and the other gunner were blocking out because they thought he was in position to make a return. They can't see the ball coming from their POV, so they have to rely on the returnman to make the call. It is completely on Holliday to call them off on short punts.

He's supposed to yell Peter and then they're supposed to tail off...... but it wasn't a short punt and Trindon was trying to go catch the ball which he should of done. It really was just a freak play. He's definitely learning of the job and it hasn't cost us yet. I pray it stays that way.

Texn4life
09-16-2012, 04:33 PM
I may be wrong, but I thought Holliday motioned for the fair catch and then had to get out of the way because Quinn got too close to him

It looked to me like GQ was telling Trindon he needs to speak up like he couldn't hear him. Trindon has to be loud and clear to get out of the way.

bo orlando
09-16-2012, 04:36 PM
He's supposed to yell Peter and then they're supposed to tail off...... but it wasn't a short punt and Trindon was trying to go catch the ball which he should of done. It really was just a freak play. He's definitely learning of the job and it hasn't cost us yet. I pray it stays that way.


you're not giving enough credit to the punter. anger outkicked the return, and hit it at an angle. neither quinn nor holliday expected the ball to hit anywhere close to where it did, and certainly not with the velocity that it had.

Texn4life
09-16-2012, 04:40 PM
you're not giving enough credit to the punter. anger outkicked the return, and hit it at an angle. neither quinn nor holliday expected the ball to hit anywhere close to where it did, and certainly not with the velocity that it had.

I said it was a freak play. Their punter was awesome today. You normally see that kind of play of shorter punts. That wasn't really a short punt.

Buffi2
09-16-2012, 04:46 PM
Today before his first return, he was skipping back to the goal. He reminded me more of Jacoby than Jacoby. I think there are some similarities. I just hope turning the ball over isn't one of them. He seems to call for a fair catch more often than Jacoby did which makes me feel a bit better.

TheIronDuke
09-16-2012, 05:11 PM
Even if he broke one for a TD it'd get called back for block in the back.

dream_team
09-16-2012, 05:16 PM
If we drop him, who else can return kicks and punts? Manning would be wasting energy on ST. Maybe Forsett?

Keshawn Martin.

TheIronDuke
09-16-2012, 05:20 PM
Or Manning.

Big Lou
09-16-2012, 05:43 PM
Guys got hands like Lawrence Vickers.

ATXtexanfan
09-16-2012, 05:46 PM
What's the problem with holliday? I like his potential. He's not jacoby. Let it go.

Lurvinator11
09-16-2012, 06:02 PM
What's the problem with holliday? I like his potential. He's not jacoby. Let it go.

He had 2 muffed punts, but both of those were debatable. The first one happened right after it had started raining in the 2Q. Normally he should catch that, but since it was raining, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

The second one wasn't even his fault. The ball hit Glover Quinn's helmet. I

I liked what I saw out of him, I think he will run a couple back soon. Just be patient.

silvrhand
09-16-2012, 06:57 PM
Lol the punter was +25 yards either way 40 yard punt of a 60+ yard punt, running, tracking, and catching a ball over your shoulder while raining. I'll give him a pass, the other one was a bit miscommunication it happens, all he has to do is run one or two back and teams will start to focus on punting away from him.

Specnatz
09-16-2012, 06:58 PM
Seriously? OK y'all want a return every time or a knee down every time. It is special teams, it is suppose to make the game exciting. He did his part wtf else do you want?

badboy
09-16-2012, 07:13 PM
IMO there are two types of return men. One who secures ball and position. He is a "safe"; minimal risk, minimal gain. The other is a Holliday type, one that hesitates almost too long in the end zone searching for a weakness in the blanket coming at him. A risk taker who if successful, causes the fan base to go volcano, erupting in hot screams, cheers and "can you believe what he just did?" and high fives. I lean towards the latter but with some common sense thrown in.

Trindon will mature into the role as this is his truly freshman season. His role is magnified because bottom line, he decides what to do once ball is in air rather like a QB audibling out of a coaches call. Coaching and experience will get him to where he needs to be. All eyes are on him each time he is on field and no other position can say that. Even kickers and punters have fans watching the blockers.

TexansBull
09-16-2012, 07:58 PM
He needs to have a good game in Denver - like almost returning one for a TD or getting a TD good. Or he will be in danger of getting released before the 6th week IMHO. which with his bad performances he won't be scooped up as quickly as we have feared after a awesome preseason performance. Just goes to show you preseason is just that - preseason.

Also, if the Holliday can't shake his nerves in the regular season how is he going to do it in the playoffs? Makes me have flashbacks of Jacoby in the Ravens game. The guy needs to step it up by the next two games

amazing80
09-16-2012, 08:00 PM
He needs to have a good game in Denver - like almost returning one for a TD or getting a TD good. Or he will be in danger of getting released before the 6th week IMHO. which with his bad performances he won't be scooped up as quickly as we have feared after a awesome preseason performance. Just goes to show you preseason is just that - preseason.

Also, if the Holliday can't shake his nerves in the regular season how is he going to do it in the playoffs? Makes me have flashbacks of Jacoby in the Ravens game. The guy needs to step it up by the next two games

he was fine today, do you expect a TD each and every time he touches it? Even Hester, the greatest returner of ALL TIME does not do that, be realistic man

TexansBull
09-16-2012, 11:24 PM
he was fine today, do you expect a TD each and every time he touches it? Even Hester, the greatest returner of ALL TIME does not do that, be realistic man

Read my post again. I said He needs to have a good game in Denver - like almost returning one for a TD or getting a TD

I don't where you got that I said he had to return it every game unless you didn't read my post.

The point of post is Holliday needs to have a good game or his job is becoming more in jeporady. I think anyone could agree with that.

The Pencil Neck
09-16-2012, 11:28 PM
I didn't like the muff today. But what was almost inexcusable was not warning Quin off when the ball was coming right down on top of him. It's Trindon's job to get Quin out of the way on that.

OTOH, he had a really nice return to set up that first TD. We needed that spark.

I had hoped we'd gotten rid of this insanity with Jacoby's departure. But I've got to give Trindon a bit more time. Hopefully he'll figure it all out. Lord knows, Coach Joe is going to give him an earful all week.

TexansFanatic
09-17-2012, 12:20 AM
I had hoped we'd gotten rid of this insanity with Jacoby's departure. But I've got to give Trindon a bit more time. Hopefully he'll figure it all out. Lord knows, Coach Joe is going to give him an earful all week.

That's about the way I feel about it. It's cool that we've got a guy who can take it to the house on any given return. I just don't think the potential reward is equal to the potential risk.

The dude's judgment is seriously questionable. In the first two games this season I've seen him take at least a couple of kickoffs out of the end zone from the very back of the end zone. Last week he brought one out to the 10 yard line and I screamed that he should be waived immediately. Today he brought one back to the 21, but he just barely escaped a tackle at the 10 in the process. It was a thirty yard return that netted just barely more than what would have been gained by taking a knee in the end zone.

This is Jacoby Jones crap all over again. Perhaps I worry too much, but I'm happy to see the overwhelming sentiment in this thread is with me.

Wolf6151
09-17-2012, 01:07 AM
TF your definitely not the only one. I hold my breath every time Trindon catches the ball as well but I honestly think it's a learned reflex action from when Jacoby was here and will take some time to go away. I think the best thing for Trindon right now is to keep running him out there so that he can get comfortable being out there and fielding lots of kicks/punts in practice during the week. I think the first time he costs us a game Kubiak will cut him. In the mean time lets all say a little prayer for Trindon and hope that he gets better soon.

HJam72
09-17-2012, 02:33 AM
As long as he doesn't fumble, I don't really mind him taking it out of the deep end-zone, because, you never know, he might bust one for a TD; but, he drops the ball upon trying to catch it way too much. So far, it hasn't resulted in turnovers, but that worries me.

He's only had one impressive return so far also (regular season), but I have to believe that he will have more.

Dude's gotta start catching the ball cleanly & consistently.

Marcus
09-17-2012, 04:04 AM
I think some of you worry too much, and Jacoby Jones has infected your brains.

Here we have a guy who has the speed to take it to the house every time he gets the ball, yet you want to dwell on the negative?

:toropalm:

BlueSteel
09-17-2012, 05:01 AM
On a different note, how many punt returners have not made mistakes or taken risks? That is the nature of special teams. Like another poster stated, it brings excitement to the game.

If you guys are already comparing Trindon to Jones... I do not know how to make you feel better. Jacoby was a whole different level of freakishly nerve racking. From the way he walked around before punts to his long and skinny build. LITERALLY everything about Jacoby made me nervous when he would go back for returns. :(

Txn_in_Oki
09-17-2012, 05:07 AM
I don't know about you guys, but I don't think I've watched a punt return in my whole lid not thinking something will go wrong.

BlueSteel
09-17-2012, 05:35 AM
I don't know about you guys, but I don't think I've watched a punt return in my whole lid not thinking something will go wrong.

Exactly!!! :)

TimeKiller
09-17-2012, 07:47 AM
Save the muff, which he should've known better than to go for....I thought he had a decent day. As far as special teams go, I'm entirely more concerned with the amount of back blocking going on.

GlassHalfFull
09-17-2012, 08:11 AM
13 punts yesterday, 2 kickoff returns. 1 muff, 1 questionable decision (Quin head)

Return Yards 135
Punt Returns-Yards 6-77
Punt Return TDs 0
Kick Returns-Yards 2-58

Given the number of times he was the field, I think he had a good day.

NitroGSXR
09-17-2012, 08:13 AM
13 yards per punt return, good for 8th in the NFL. I'm satisfied.

Thorn
09-17-2012, 08:23 AM
Even if he broke one for a TD it'd get called back for block in the back.

Now you see, this right here is what disturbs me more than anything. The Texans seemed to get called for that a lot.

Double Barrel
09-17-2012, 09:13 AM
That's about the way I feel about it. It's cool that we've got a guy who can take it to the house on any given return. I just don't think the potential reward is equal to the potential risk.

The dude's judgment is seriously questionable. In the first two games this season I've seen him take at least a couple of kickoffs out of the end zone from the very back of the end zone. Last week he brought one out to the 10 yard line and I screamed that he should be waived immediately. Today he brought one back to the 21, but he just barely escaped a tackle at the 10 in the process. It was a thirty yard return that netted just barely more than what would have been gained by taking a knee in the end zone.

This is Jacoby Jones crap all over again. Perhaps I worry too much, but I'm happy to see the overwhelming sentiment in this thread is with me.

This. I'm not dogging Holliday at this point, but dude needs to learn how to kneel when he's catching a kickoff in the back of the endzone. Running 30 yards just to make it to the 20 is just stupid football. Sometimes the safe play is the SMART play.

Errant Hothy
09-17-2012, 09:26 AM
This. I'm not dogging Holliday at this point, but dude needs to learn how to kneel when he's catching a kickoff in the back of the endzone. Running 30 yards just to make it to the 20 is just stupid football. Sometimes the safe play is the SMART play.

I'd be willing to bet he's under orders to run them all out. If Holliday was running them all out against Kubes wishes he wouldn't still be out there returning kicks. Kubes confidence in the O leds me to think he is willing to gamble on the home run verses the safe start at the 20. I wouldn't be shocked if Holliday starts taking a knee on kickoffs this week.

Porky
09-17-2012, 09:37 AM
Ball security, Ball security, Ball security.

Those are my 3 biggest concerns with this kid. Even the safe ones that he takes in the back of the EZ, he muffs what seems like half of them. As noted, he makes questionable choices as well.

He has to get the ball and secure it better. He's got tremendous upside and I saw some glimmers of that yesterday. I think that is why Joe M and Kubes are being ultra patient with him, but all it takes is one muffed punt in the 4th qtr of tie ball game for him to potentially cost us a game.

I'm willing to ride with him another 2-4 games to see if he keep improving, but with the number of questionable decisions and muffs he makes, he has to be dynamite with his "good plays" and so far he hasn't been.

I'm still in wait and see mode, but color me concerned.

dream_team
09-17-2012, 09:43 AM
I seriously don't see what everyone is so worried about.

Double Barrel
09-17-2012, 10:02 AM
I'd be willing to bet he's under orders to run them all out. If Holliday was running them all out against Kubes wishes he wouldn't still be out there returning kicks. Kubes confidence in the O leds me to think he is willing to gamble on the home run verses the safe start at the 20. I wouldn't be shocked if Holliday starts taking a knee on kickoffs this week.

That crossed my mind, as well. Hopefully somebody will ask Kubiak on his radio show if this is a coaching or player decision.

Trail.Blazr
09-17-2012, 11:26 AM
I seriously don't see what everyone is so worried about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qouHmCv9DfM

I know he's not on the team anymore, but some perspective..... I'm guessing there's a few people still "Thinking about what Might Have Been".:kitten:

Porky
09-17-2012, 12:26 PM
I seriously don't see what everyone is so worried about.

Have you watched all of his returns, both pre-season and regular? If so, you think the fumbles, muffs, poor decision making, tentativeness (especially game 1) etc is all nothing to worry about?

It's like this for me. You have a hot blonde who is a model, is great in bed, and she's wealthy too. But when you are alone, she treats you like complete crap, is ultra demanding, has an accent like Fran Drescher on steriods, and oh you just found out she is having an affair with your brother.


What's everyone so worried about? :kitten:

NitroGSXR
09-17-2012, 12:34 PM
Have you watched all of his returns, both pre-season and regular? If so, you think the fumbles, muffs, poor decision making, tentativeness (especially game 1) etc is all nothing to worry about?

It's like this for me. You have a hot blonde who is a model, is great in bed, and she's wealthy too. But when you are alone, she treats you like complete crap, is ultra demanding, has an accent like Fran Drescher on steriods, and oh you just found out she is having an affair with your brother.


What's everyone so worried about? :kitten:

GF #2 right?

I've watched all of his returns and I think I'm happy with him thus far in his young career. I think he's done a solid job and has been a significant upgrade over Jacoby.

Joeycharp89
09-17-2012, 12:46 PM
Instead of worrying about what could happen, I'll concern my self with what has happened so far. He hasn't turned over the ball, and I haven't seen him go for negative yardage. Anytime he doesn't call for a fair catch he gets a decent chunk of yardage or more and puts us in great field position. So I like him and I think he's really gonna help our offense score some points.

Porky
09-17-2012, 02:51 PM
Instead of worrying about what could happen, I'll concern my self with what has happened so far. He hasn't turned over the ball, and I haven't seen him go for negative yardage. Anytime he doesn't call for a fair catch he gets a decent chunk of yardage or more and puts us in great field position. So I like him and I think he's really gonna help our offense score some points.

Which great field position are you talking about? You mean the 5 yd line after fumbling in the end zone or the 10 yard line after making a poor decision to advance it out of the end zone.

I'm willing to give him a few weeks to get his act together, but the kool-aid is a little strong in this thread.

Kgbmedic
09-17-2012, 03:29 PM
IMO there are two types of return men. One who secures ball and position. He is a "safe"; minimal risk, minimal gain. The other is a Holliday type, one that hesitates almost too long in the end zone searching for a weakness in the blanket coming at him. A risk taker who if successful, causes the fan base to go volcano, erupting in hot screams, cheers and "can you believe what he just did?" and high fives. I lean towards the latter but with some common sense thrown in.

Trindon will mature into the role as this is his truly freshman season. His role is magnified because bottom line, he decides what to do once ball is in air rather like a QB audibling out of a coaches call. Coaching and experience will get him to where he needs to be. All eyes are on him each time he is on field and no other position can say that. Even kickers and punters have fans watching the blockers.

Agree! (bold emphasis)

CloakNNNdagger
09-17-2012, 08:35 PM
An interesting Kubiak comment today concerning the play where the ball hit Glover Quinn

(On WR Trindon Holliday’s performances on kickoff and punt return) “Well, like I said, I’m concerned special teams-wise and (WR) Trindon’s (Holliday) part of that. He mishandled a punt yesterday when we had them backed up right before the half and then of course the one that hits GQ (FS Glover Quin), that’s his responsibility to go get GQ out of the way. Yeah, that’s his part of the bargain, but we’ve got other issues on special teams that could help him be more successful too. Like I said, we’re going to have to play better there. Hopefully we (OLB Bryan) Braman back this week. He’s been unable to get going right now, but he did work today so hopefully he comes back and can help us out.”

Texn4life
09-17-2012, 08:40 PM
Peter! Peter! Peter! Trindon needs to work out those vocal cords.

Rey
09-17-2012, 09:49 PM
An interesting Kubiak comment today concerning the play where the ball hit Glover Quinn

Yep...

Obviously he wasn't loud enough because GQ never responded to him. He's gotta make sure he gets GQ outta there....

And something I just thought of...

Why is GQ out there on special teams anyways? Isn't that a job for Keo or Demps?

:kitten:

HJam72
09-18-2012, 08:47 AM
OK, guys, if Trindon punches you in the butt, it means, "Get out of the way!"

GP
09-18-2012, 01:55 PM
I am not high on Holliday, but that is sort of some bull**** IMO.

GQ needs to look around and know where he's at. Nothing makes me more angry than a ST blocker not maying attention and getting doinked in the helmet. Come on, know your space. Be present and attentive. If you see the return man 2 feet from you, chances are that you're near the trajectory of the football as it's coming down. I'm just sayin'.......

Even had Holliday yelled it loud enough, the ball is coming in so fast AND GQ is a bit too "inside" the bubble for it to have mattered. Once that ball hits the turf, it could ricochet in any direction and clip any guy on a leg. The situation played out to where it was just an awesome punt and GQ and Holliday were caught up in the same space with the ball.

I don't really care for Holliday, as I have stated many times (I'd rather have a returner who is smart and safe, giving our offense the ball and not running the risk of momentum-swinging play for the opponent). He's the same risk/reward guy Jacoby was. Period. Just smaller.

Once he really blows it for us, that'll be the end of this experiment.

Mr teX
09-18-2012, 02:18 PM
I willing to roll with him until it becomes obvious he can't do the job........But It does look really easy to separate him from the ball with a vicious hit b/c he's so damn tiny!

HollaIFyaHEMI
09-18-2012, 03:53 PM
Trindon Holliday reminds me of Dante Hall. Patience.

TexansFanatic
09-18-2012, 05:02 PM
Once he really blows it for us, that'll be the end of this experiment.

Right. Let's just hope it's not in the playoffs.

rolyat93
09-19-2012, 11:23 AM
Right. Let's just hope it's not in the playoffs.

This will be bumped when he scores a TD in the AFC championship game.:texflag:

eriadoc
09-19-2012, 11:26 AM
This will be bumped when he scores a TD in the AFC championship game.:texflag:

It will also be bumped if he costs us a playoff game like Jacoby Jones did.

Texanmike02
09-19-2012, 01:12 PM
He needs work on punts. It seems that if a punter puts the ball away from him he has trouble catching it while running. On kickoffs, I'm fine with him bringing just about everything out. He's usually going to wind up around the 20 or beyond and the chances that he breaks one increase every time he takes it out. If I were Kubes I would sit him down and drill it into him that he needs to work on catching the ball and then running on punts.

Mike

CloakNNNdagger
09-19-2012, 01:31 PM
He needs work on punts. It seems that if a punter puts the ball away from him he has trouble catching it while running. On kickoffs, I'm fine with him bringing just about everything out. He's usually going to wind up around the 20 or beyond and the chances that he breaks one increase every time he takes it out. If I were Kubes I would sit him down and drill it into him that he needs to work on catching the ball and then running on punts.

Mike

I would tend to agree with you. However, if the "protective" return team continues to play as poorly as they have so far and gives him as little time before our opponents are in his face, I will remain understanding of a player that shows some semblance of hesitancy and "schiziness" whenever the ball comes his way.

TheIronDuke
09-23-2012, 10:11 PM
Still wondering when he's gonna do something. That east-west punt return for 2 yards was very Jacoby-esque, no blocks in the back today at least.

hradhak
09-23-2012, 10:17 PM
Does Holliday even practice with the rest of theam? I'd have him and the punter just practice catching punts all day every day in practice until he gets it right. I'm less concerned about kickoffs because he has time to recover, but the punt can get tricky especially with guys ready to take you out if you miss.

I would much rather have a sure fair catch every time than a small percentage of a fumble on any given punt return and a small percent chance of a TD.

dream_team
09-23-2012, 10:23 PM
Does Holliday even practice with the rest of theam? I'd have him and the punter just practice catching punts all day every day in practice until he gets it right. I'm less concerned about kickoffs because he has time to recover, but the punt can get tricky especially with guys ready to take you out if you miss.

I would much rather have a sure fair catch every time than a small percentage of a fumble on any given punt return and a small percent chance of a TD.

Trindon didn't really have much to work with today. We knew all kickoffs were going straight through the end zone. He does seem more hesitant back there, though, compared to pre-season.

One thing I always wondered, though... on obvious un-returnable punts, why not stick a sure-handed receiver back there? For example, if the punter is kicking between the 40s, most likely he's kicking it high and simply try to pin the team inside the 20. 95% of the time, these punts aren't returned. So why have Trindon back there? Why not put a guy that is proven to have good hands and make good decisions? For all other punts that are "returnable", then stick the playmaker back there.

JamesBill
09-23-2012, 10:25 PM
Not a fan of him standing still for 5 seconds before running. Get the 5 yards you can get sometimes.

dream_team
09-23-2012, 11:15 PM
Not a fan of him standing still for 5 seconds before running. Get the 5 yards you can get sometimes.

This was the same complaint against Jacoby. Maybe this is what they are being coached to do?

utahmark
09-23-2012, 11:20 PM
This was the same complaint against Jacoby. Maybe this is what they are being coached to do?

no!

HJam72
09-24-2012, 04:55 AM
no!

I think it would be more interesting if he caught it and ran around in a few circles before taking off one way or another. :specnatz:

speedfreek
09-24-2012, 08:00 AM
He is Jacoby Jones. Just smaller and not as good of a wide receiver. I just have a bad gut feeling that this guy is going to cost us a game -- I just hope it isn't a playoff game.

TJ


I think we are overly nervous because of the Jacoby Jones debacle we have lived thru the past 4 years.

I am always nervous on punt returns. Pisses me off that I am that way.

steelbtexan
09-24-2012, 09:10 AM
Trindon is discovering that KR/PR is alot different in the regular season than against the wanna be's in the preseason.

How long has it been since coach Joe had an above avg ST's?

He's the root of the problem. IMHO

CloakNNNdagger
09-24-2012, 09:20 AM
Trindon is discovering that KR/PR is alot different in the regular season than against the wanna be's in the preseason.

How long has it been since coach Joe had an above avg ST's?

He's the root of the problem. IMHO


Where the wedge went, so went the STs. Joe has never been able to adapt.

Holliday has been in there also as "gunner." I remember one returner he nailed to the wall.

BTW, on NFL.com Box Score (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2012092311/2012/REG3/texans@broncos#menu=highlights&tab=analyze), Casey is listed as being a kick returner on one play (0 yds). I don't remember this. Of course, that same listing shows Holliday fielding 4 punt returns with 0 kick returns?????????????

TejasTom
09-24-2012, 09:25 AM
Still wondering when he's gonna do something. That east-west punt return for 2 yards was very Jacoby-esque, no blocks in the back today at least.

No, running backwards first Jacoby-esque. I haven't seen him take a single step backwards.





Not a fan of him standing still for 5 seconds before running. Get the 5 yards you can get sometimes.

I was ok with this, wait for someone to run out if their lane. Still not running backwards.

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beerlover
09-24-2012, 09:30 AM
I don't really think people question his ability more like his intelligence. What 5'5" man in his right mind would return kick-offs & punts in the NFL with thugs twice his own size trying to knock his block off?

TheIronDuke
09-24-2012, 09:53 AM
Where the wedge went, so went the STs. Joe has never been able to adapt.

Holliday has been in there also as "gunner." I remember one returner he nailed to the wall.

BTW, on NFL.com Box Score (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2012092311/2012/REG3/texans@broncos#menu=highlights&tab=analyze), Casey is listed as being a kick returner on one play (0 yds). I don't remember this. Of course, that same listing shows Holliday fielding 4 punt returns with 0 kick returns?????????????

He picked up the squib kick at the end of the first half.

False Start
09-24-2012, 09:53 AM
The guy makes me more nervous than Jacoby ever did. Put Forsett back there, and let him get after it.

steelbtexan
09-24-2012, 10:31 AM
The guy makes me more nervous than Jacoby ever did. Put Forsett back there, and let him get after it.

^^^^
This

Forsett is a very good return man in his own right. Alot more sure handed.

Holliday is doing alot better as a gunner than I thought he would.

TheIronDuke
09-24-2012, 10:43 AM
I'd also rather have Manning returning kickoffs and let anyone else return punts. That'd allow us to activate Brooks or Posey or, my favorite, Pleasant from the PS. Holliday is a pre-season wonder and isn't worth a roster spot.

silvrhand
09-24-2012, 11:42 AM
Let' see..

teams are already corner kicking the ball and kicking it away from Holliday, they are spending time preparing the ST a few extra snaps a week to deal with him. Yes he's worth it IMHO.

Errant Hothy
09-24-2012, 03:42 PM
Kubiak is noticing

HoustonTexans

Kubiak: Disappointed in some of decisions Trindon Holliday is making. Has to get better. But we have chance to win some games bc of him.

Thorn
09-24-2012, 03:52 PM
Kubiak needs to make a decision on this guy. The only problem I have with letting him go is who is going to be doing the returning. I don't want one of our starters returning and increasing his risk of injury.

welsh texan
09-24-2012, 04:01 PM
Kubiak needs to make a decision on this guy. The only problem I have with letting him go is who is going to be doing the returning. I don't want one of our starters returning and increasing his risk of injury.

I'm very much in the keep the lad and see if he develops camp, I think we have enough talent to cover for a mistake by him and come playoffs time it can be a big return that swings a close game in your favour.

That said, there are plenty of young DB's and WR's on this squad, not to mention Forsett, all of whom would surely jump at the chance of a feature role on ST's rather than being held inactive week after week.

NitroGSXR
09-24-2012, 04:02 PM
Kubiak needs to make a decision on this guy. The only problem I have with letting him go is who is going to be doing the returning. I don't want one of our starters returning and increasing his risk of injury.

What are you talking about? Kubiak already decided three weeks ago. Holliday's the starter. When Kubiak starts flipping somebody back there in place of Holliday, I'll call for a decision but I'm going to bank on Holliday being here for a good while this season. As shaky as you all may feel, it's pretty clear he's our guy.