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Jagsbch
05-28-2005, 09:33 AM
I am starting to believe that in 05 the Jaguars will be fielding the best team ever in Jacksonville, and it had me wondering what year did Houston have the best team ever?

Texan Dave
05-28-2005, 09:47 AM
Probably 1993, or during the Earl Campbell errah, but I wasn't around then, so to me, 1993. We had an absolutely awesome defence, had Jeffries, Givens, Duncan, and Slaughter, and Gary Brown had his only good season in the NFL. Absolutely unreal amount of talent on that team, and Joe Montana just came out and blew me away in the last minute and half of the game. But, you know, things like that are why he's on everyones top 3 QB list.

Vinny
05-28-2005, 09:59 AM
60 and 61. George Blanda led the Oilers were back to back AFL Championships. The next two best years were 1978 & 1979 where we lost in the playoffs to the eventual team of the decade and Hall of Fame laden Pittsburgh Steelers in the playoffs both times (we split with them in the regular season both years). Earl Campbell was the NFL rushing champion, Player of Year, All-Pro, Pro Bowl in 1978, 1979, 1980. We ended up losing in the playoffs to the eventual Super Bowl champ in 80 as well. That 3 year run with Earl was about as good as it can get without winning a Super Bowl.

Texan Dave
05-28-2005, 10:04 AM
Like I said, I wasn't around back then, and I knew that we had won some AFL championships back in the days. But man, Earl was a bad dude, hands down the best power runningback to ever play the game.

Vinny
05-28-2005, 10:09 AM
We had some great talent later in the Moon era but I really hated the run n shoot. I think we wasted our hall of fame linemen backing up pass blocking all game using a high school offense. We had one of the best defenses in the NFL, hall of fame linemen, Heisman trophy running backs, a probabable HOF QB in Moon...but a high school offense that good teams shut down in the playoffs. oye.

JustBonee
05-28-2005, 10:34 AM
I thought 78 & 79 were really exciting Houston football years, but then again, I wasn't really into the Oilers before that time.

utahmark
05-28-2005, 10:42 AM
We had some great talent later in the Moon era but I really hated the run n shoot. I think we wasted our hall of fame linemen backing up pass blocking all game using a high school offense. We had one of the best defenses in the NFL, hall of fame linemen, Heisman trophy running backs, a probabable HOF QB in Moon...but a high school offense that good teams shut down in the playoffs. oye.

92 we scored 24 points at denver. 93 we scored 38 points at buffalo. and 94 we scored 20 at home. there were some years shortly before these that we did not score as well but we also were not quite ready to win. of course we never won. also that team that only scored 20 against the cheifs were killed by injuries especially on the oline. if i remember correctly the oline had 3 starters out by the end of the game. and had a rookie named brad hopkins at left tackle getting used by derrick thomas.

Texan Dave
05-28-2005, 10:55 AM
92 we scored 24 points at denver. 93 we scored 38 points at buffalo. and 94 we scored 20 at home. there were some years shortly before these that we did not score as well but we also were not quite ready to win. of course we never won. also that team that only scored 20 against the cheifs were killed by injuries especially on the oline. if i remember correctly the oline had 3 starters out by the end of the game. and had a rookie named brad hopkins at left tackle getting used by derrick thomas.

Yeah, so 94 was the year I was thinking of. Also I remember the holes the Oiler's offensive line used to open, the runningbacks would run 5 yards before anyone would even have a chance to touch them, they were litteraly big enough to drive a truck through. With those linemen, if a rb couldn't find the hole, he needed to be cut. Bubba McDowell used to crack heads in the secondary, and I believe Michael Barrow was a rookie that year also right??

Vinny
05-28-2005, 11:04 AM
92 we scored 24 points at denver. 93 we scored 38 points at buffalo. and 94 we scored 20 at home. there were some years shortly before these that we did not score as well but we also were not quite ready to win. of course we never won. also that team that only scored 20 against the cheifs were killed by injuries especially on the oline. if i remember correctly the oline had 3 starters out by the end of the game. and had a rookie named brad hopkins at left tackle getting used by derrick thomas.Yeah, but we couldn't stay on the field and never wore down a defense. High flying offensive teams that can't grind the clock down rarely win in the NFL.

Texan Dave
05-28-2005, 11:15 AM
Yeah, but we couldn't stay on the field and never wore down a defense. High flying offensive teams that can't grind the clock down rarely win in the NFL.

We had 1000+ yard rushers each of those years, I agree that the run and shoot was, is, and will always be JUNK. But the Oilers were the Colts of that erra(with about 800 times the defence), Warren Moon, much like Payton Manning, was a great QB, but when it came down to it, in the big game, he would choke up interceptions and bad throws all day long. I will NEVER forget in that Buffalo game watching Moon throw passes strait at linebackers, and watching the balls bounce right off of their chests.

Texan Dave
05-28-2005, 11:20 AM
if you dissagree then too bad warren moon and lorenzo white dominated in 19991 warren moon had his best season ever wich was a great one and we got to the playoffs
That was 1993 dude. I think we still had Allen Pinkett in 1991, I didn't like him, no matter what anyone ever says, he will always be sub-parr in my eyes.

Jagsbch
05-28-2005, 11:23 AM
Now this begs the question how did the best Oiler year compare with the best Titan year?

http://www.sptimes.com/News/013100/photos/sup-tackle.jpg

Texan Dave
05-28-2005, 11:27 AM
By the time that came around, I really didn't care anymore.

BradK10
05-28-2005, 11:28 AM
I've gotta go with 94. 12-4 going into that game vs. KC. I still remember Keith F'ing Cash throwing the football at the Buddy Ryan sign. We let an old decrepped Joe Montana beat us at home. I was there, I was a young teen, and I was pissed.

aj.
05-28-2005, 11:56 AM
The Oilers were 3-13 in '94 under the Commander, Bucky, and Billy Joe.

'93 had the most talented group of players and was one of the most bizarre years for any team in NFL history. Buddy and Kevin, Babygate, Alm, 11 in a row, the xmas day win in SF, the choke against KC.

'79 was the best team.

I'm not old enough to judge '60 and '61 but they obviously accomplished more.

The one-yard-short titans never had to play the Steelers in their prime like we did three times a year in '78 and '79.

utahmark
05-28-2005, 12:16 PM
the team that went 12 and 4 was the 93 team but the loss to kc was actually played in jan of 94.

ATX
05-28-2005, 12:26 PM
I am starting to believe that in 05 the Jaguars will be fielding the best team ever in Jacksonville, and it had me wondering what year did Houston have the best team ever?


ha, i'm glad we have higher expectations in houston than thrid place as best team ever.

Colts
Texans
Jags
Titans

this is how its gonna look this year

Dionysus22
05-28-2005, 12:29 PM
That was 1993 dude. I think we still had Allen Pinkett in 1991, I didn't like him, no matter what anyone ever says, he will always be sub-parr in my eyes.
Yes Allen Pinkett was a G! j/k!
I rememeber when he was first getting big my boy Josh, Warren's son, would always wear his jersey to school. We still gave him crap about it in high school cuz he still had up on his wall. But I'm not gonna say much, Warren always took us everywhere and always paid for everything. I don't care what people say, Warren Moon is a stand up guy. just made a few bad choices... :brickwall

Vinny
05-28-2005, 12:36 PM
We had 1000+ yard rushers each of those years, I agree that the run and shoot was, is, and will always be JUNK. But the Oilers were the Colts of that erra(with about 800 times the defence), Warren Moon, much like Payton Manning, was a great QB, but when it came down to it, in the big game, he would choke up interceptions and bad throws all day long. I will NEVER forget in that Buffalo game watching Moon throw passes strait at linebackers, and watching the balls bounce right off of their chests.Passing with that big a lead is just dumb. It stops the clock and gives the other team time to come back. The Run and shoot generated lots of rushing yards but that was between the 20's. With no TE's and 4 tiny wide outs it was not a good playoff offense since they could not run when they really had to. If we ran a more conventional offense we would have never blown those leads because we could have run the clock out on them. The R&S just was not capable of it.

Vinny
05-28-2005, 12:39 PM
Now this begs the question how did the best Oiler year compare with the best Titan year? I don't think anyone here cares much about Nashville's franchise. Only Houston's.

Fiddy
05-28-2005, 12:40 PM
http://www.sptimes.com/News/013100/photos/sup-tackle.jpg
I love that picture... :highfive:

aj.
05-28-2005, 01:08 PM
the team that went 12 and 4 was the 93 team but the loss to kc was actually played in jan of 94.

Yes, I'm painfully aware of that.

Texan Dave
05-28-2005, 02:27 PM
I don't care what people say, Warren Moon is a stand up guy. just made a few bad choices... :brickwall

Yeah, like beating down his wife.

Texan Dave
05-28-2005, 02:38 PM
Passing with that big a lead is just dumb. It stops the clock and gives the other team time to come back. The Run and shoot generated lots of rushing yards but that was between the 20's. With no TE's and 4 tiny wide outs it was not a good playoff offense since they could not run when they really had to. If we ran a more conventional offense we would have never blown those leads because we could have run the clock out on them. The R&S just was not capable of it.

Verry true. Their was a lot of games they would have won if they would have at least had some goal line packages with at least an extra offensive lineman or something . Ahhh, the R&S frustration is coming back!!

briptexanfan
05-28-2005, 02:51 PM
2005 is their best season, hay, I can look to the future can't I?

jr0ck
05-28-2005, 03:02 PM
Yeah, like beating down his wife.

hello captain obvious...confucius say weak post deserve weak reply...

:bomb:

Texan Dave
05-28-2005, 03:31 PM
hello captain obvious...confucius say weak post deserve weak reply...

:bomb:


Well in my book, anyone who beats their wife is nothing more than a coward, and anything but a stand up guy. That was my point.

utahmark
05-28-2005, 09:49 PM
Verry true. Their was a lot of games they would have won if they would have at least had some goal line packages with at least an extra offensive lineman or something . Ahhh, the R&S frustration is coming back!!

they were one of the better teams in the league at scoring td's inside the red zone during their run n' shoot era. there were several reason's that team never won (the main reason was they never had anyone to step up and make play's in presure situations} but the run n shoot was not to blame. that said i dont think the run n shoot would work today. it was more of a gimmick offense that defenses caught up with.

WWJD
05-28-2005, 10:18 PM
The year they went to Pittsburgh and lost with the Renfro catch against a steller Pittsburgh team. I think that was the best Oiler team/Houston team.

Hervoyel
05-28-2005, 10:45 PM
Statistics may say that one of the Warren Moon led teams in the 90's is the best team that Houston ever put on the field but I don't buy it. In my opinion the Oilers of 1978-79 were the greatest football team in Houston history. That truly was a team and they often played far over their collective heads. They made each other better, they loved one another and for two years straight they came within a game of going to the Super Bowl.

In both those years I'd call them the second best team in the NFL without hesitation.

I don't know enough about the AFL Championship Oilers of the 60's to speak intelligently about them and they may have had a similar thing going for them. I know one thing though without any doubt. The Oilers of the 90's were not a team. They were a collection of talented individuals who often underachieved. They were able to beat a lot of teams in regular season games. When the post season arrived and the pressure increased they always blew it.

titanfan539
05-28-2005, 10:55 PM
I don't think anyone here cares much about Nashville's franchise. Only Houston's.

Yeah, when the best team in franchise history emerged in Tennessee.

SheTexan
05-28-2005, 11:12 PM
I went to some of those games in 60 and 61, and became a diehard Oiler fan from day one!! Goodness, how times have changed since 1960!!!

TexansTrueFan
05-29-2005, 12:56 AM
didnt watch much football back then but from what i "think" i remember the 85-86 seasons. My dad was a huge fan.

lucky13
05-29-2005, 06:30 AM
well, the best game the oilers ever played was in SD, by the worst oilers team to ever make the playoffs. that will always be my best memory of the oilers.

ojthecat
05-29-2005, 09:21 AM
The Oilers? They are DEAD to me. :goodnight

mike moffat
05-30-2005, 09:43 AM
60 and 61. George Blanda led the Oilers were back to back AFL Championships. The next two best years were 1978 & 1979 where we lost in the playoffs to the eventual team of the decade and Hall of Fame laden Pittsburgh Steelers in the playoffs both times (we split with them in the regular season both years). Earl Campbell was the NFL rushing champion, Player of Year, All-Pro, Pro Bowl in 1978, 1979, 1980. We ended up losing in the playoffs to the eventual Super Bowl champ in 80 as well. That 3 year run with Earl was about as good as it can get without winning a Super Bowl.
Vinny, you are absolutely correct. Those were the glory years for the Columbia Blue. I lived and died with them. As we all remember, the one bad call kept us from the superbowl. Mike Renfro's touchdown that was called incomplete kept us out. At that time, we could have beaten any NFC team in the superbowl. The Steelers proved that as well. They were indeed a dynasty.

ATX
05-30-2005, 12:58 PM
there's only one oilers team, the edmonton oilers, and they're not playing either.

aj.
05-30-2005, 07:49 PM
As we all remember, the one bad call kept us from the superbowl. Mike Renfro's touchdown that was called incomplete kept us out.While I love the sustainment of legend, what I remember is one bad call that made it 17-13 Steelers instead of a possible 17-17 tie at the end of the third quarter.

I'll buy the momentum shift argument to a degree, but the fact is that the Steelers jammed it up the Oilers you-know-what in the 4th quarter, driving 78 yards for the score on the next possession and recovering Guido Merkens fumble late to set up the final Bleier TD. The Oilers did nothing offensively (and little defensively) in the 4th quarter as the Steelers totally shut them down en route to a 14 point victory. The Oilers had 24 yards rushing the entire day and the offense did not score a TD.

The Steelers were undefeated in Three Rivers in 1979 and the cards were stacked against the Oilers in the fourth quarter even if the Renfro catch would have been allowed.

A big play in a big game...absolutely. "The" single play that kept the Oilers from going the Super Bowl? I don't think so.

Overalls
05-31-2005, 07:33 PM
I was and still am a life long OILERS fan, but as some one else posted. The OILERS are dead. I don't like it when the TENN heads try to steal the OILERS history and I do not like the idea of trying to link the TEXANS to the OILERS. I love Earl Campbell. I would welcome him into my home and insist he sits at the head of the table. I would carry his bags from Houston to my home in Baytown. I would love for him to have a seat of honor in Bob's box, but I do not feel any official recognition of him by the Texans, as a way to tie the two teams/ eras together would be appropriate. The OILERS are dead.

Tulip
05-31-2005, 10:25 PM
I'd say 1993, mostly because that was the year my poor 18-year old self managed to get together enough money to attend 2 games - one was during that long win streak. And it was last year I was an Oilers fan. They traded Moon in the off-season, and I took an 8-year NFL hiatus.

TheOgre
06-01-2005, 08:03 AM
The best regular season team would be the 1993 Oilers. I was at the game (Jets) when Buddy Ryan punched Gilbride.

The teams was 1-3 going into the Monday Night Football game against Buffalo. They stomped us and made the Run-And-Shoot look like a pee wee league offense. We didn't lose the rest of the year. That Christmas Day game against the 49ers was a classic. We finally had earned the bye week and a home 2nd round game. That postseason had a ton of promise but we got Montana-ed.