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EmDiggy
09-05-2012, 02:17 PM
Texans vs Dolphins Video Preview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfPAr8UHzz4)

Good afternoon Texans fans! Good luck this week!

Em

drs23
09-05-2012, 02:30 PM
Texans vs Dolphins Video Preview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfPAr8UHzz4)

Good afternoon Texans fans! Good luck this week!

Em

Good to see you back with your predictions again this year Diggy. I can't watch it at work but SURELY you picked us to skin some Phins, huh?

Seņor Stan
09-05-2012, 03:13 PM
All in all a solid preview.

That being said, there is no way to call Reggie Bush and Daniel Thomas "even" with Arian Foster and Ben Tate. That is insane.

drs23
09-05-2012, 03:24 PM
All in all a solid preview.

That being said, there is no way to call Reggie Bush and Daniel Thomas "even" with Arian Foster and Ben Tate. That is insane.

Like I said, I'm at work and can't listen to it. Have to catch it when I get home tonight but...

Diggy, did you really say that? Well that's just... :bat:

Dutchrudder
09-05-2012, 03:32 PM
I like the part where all the position advantage checkboxes are filled in on the Texans' side.

EmDiggy
09-05-2012, 03:41 PM
Good to see you back with your predictions again this year Diggy. I can't watch it at work but SURELY you picked us to skin some Phins, huh?

LOL! Thanks Drs! Glad to be back! You know I picked the Cougars ;)

All in all a solid preview.

That being said, there is no way to call Reggie Bush and Daniel Thomas "even" with Arian Foster and Ben Tate. That is insane.

Thanks SS! I think you can place Bush/Thomas in that offense and you won't miss a beat.

Like I said, I'm at work and can't listen to it. Have to catch it when I get home tonight but...

Diggy, did you really say that? Well that's just... :bat:

Yep..and I approve that statement #Hunt2012

I like the part where all the position advantage checkboxes are filled in on the Texans' side.

Its crazy when you look at the visual of where teams have the advantage..puts everything in perspective doesn't it?

SAMURAITEXAN
09-05-2012, 07:47 PM
Nice to see you Em and thanks for Video.

Go Texans!!!

Lucky
09-05-2012, 09:01 PM
There's not a team in the NFL that would take Bush/Thomas over Foster/Tate. Not one.

Emdiggy, what was your record on your Texans predictions last Year?

Texn4life
09-05-2012, 11:28 PM
Bush/Thomas equal to Foster/Tate? Put the pipe down dude! It is not your friend.

infantrycak
09-05-2012, 11:33 PM
There's not a team in the NFL that would take Bush/Thomas over Foster/Tate. Not one.

LOL - the combined conversation time for 32 teams would be under 32 seconds.

I'd set the over/under on how many teams would take Bush over Tate at 2.5.

Rey
09-05-2012, 11:45 PM
I wouldnt take the entire dolpbins offense for arian alone. Foster and tate being interchangeable with bush and that other guy is LLoooOoooLLL worthy.

Texn4life
09-05-2012, 11:51 PM
I could probably make the argument we have the better defensive line too, but because of how good Wake is and they play in a 4-3 I will leave that one alone. Odrick hasn't lived up to the hype IMO.

nero THE zero
09-06-2012, 11:30 AM
http://www.thephins.com/forums/showthread.php?71797-Football-Gameplan-s-2012-Dolphins-vs-Texans-Video-Preview&
Thanks Gang! I guess the big debate I started with Texans fans is btw the RB comment of it being a "push".. I truly believe Talent-wise its the same. Some people can't separate numbers from their argument, when numbers ALWAYS lie...

Texanmike02
09-06-2012, 11:34 AM
LOL! Thanks Drs! Glad to be back! You know I picked the Cougars ;)



Thanks SS! I think you can place Bush/Thomas in that offense and you won't miss a beat.



Yep..and I approve that statement #Hunt2012



Its crazy when you look at the visual of where teams have the advantage..puts everything in perspective doesn't it?

Since you owned up to saying Bush/Thomas = Foster/Tate I might watch you in the future but I'll pass for this week.

Thomas has been underwhelming and Bush has one "solid" year under his belt. Foster could run in any scheme as either a feature back or receiving out of the backfield and Tate could be a feature back in most schemes. Bush couldn't run in our offense because he is a dancer and to say that Thomas could hold Tate's (let alone Foster's) jock strap means you must have been drunk. Knowing that, I can't take anything you say about this game seriously and if you're right it must be pure coincidence. I'll check back next week though because I think you generally do a pretty good job. I'll chalk this one up to you missing the preseason.

Mike

EmDiggy
09-06-2012, 01:55 PM
http://www.thephins.com/forums/showthread.php?71797-Football-Gameplan-s-2012-Dolphins-vs-Texans-Video-Preview&

Thanks for finding that! That's the point I was making in reference to what has been said on the other texans forum not this one.. You guys can make rational debate as opposed to the other.. But thanks for finding this for me

EmDiggy
09-06-2012, 01:58 PM
Since you owned up to saying Bush/Thomas = Foster/Tate I might watch you in the future but I'll pass for this week.

Thomas has been underwhelming and Bush has one "solid" year under his belt. Foster could run in any scheme as either a feature back or receiving out of the backfield and Tate could be a feature back in most schemes. Bush couldn't run in our offense because he is a dancer and to say that Thomas could hold Tate's (let alone Foster's) jock strap means you must have been drunk. Knowing that, I can't take anything you say about this game seriously and if you're right it must be pure coincidence. I'll check back next week though because I think you generally do a pretty good job. I'll chalk this one up to you missing the preseason.

Mike

I'm sorry, you can't honestly say that Talent-wise Miami isn't equal to the Texans RBs. You're also undervaluing what they drafted in Lamar Miller, who is better than Forsett. Bush in the Texans Off would put up similar numbers as Foster, Foster in the Dolphins Off would put up similar numbers as Bush. Bush is more explosive than Foster, but Foster is more powerful.

Its a wash honestly and unbiasedly

Rey
09-06-2012, 02:07 PM
I'm sorry, you can't honestly say that Talent-wise Miami isn't equal to the Texans RBs. You're also undervaluing what they drafted in Lamar Miller, who is better than Forsett. Bush in the Texans Off would put up similar numbers as Foster, Foster in the Dolphins Off would put up similar numbers as Bush. Bush is more explosive than Foster, but Foster is more powerful.

Its a wash honestly and unbiasedly

Wow.

Reggie bush is not = to Arian foster and I can't believe you are trying to make that argument. You are using explosiveness as your argument and that's just one aspect to being a rb.

Arian is bigger, has better vision, has a better feel for running the ball and he's still explosive enough to gash teams for really long runs.

Reggie is more "explosive" than a lot of rb's in the league but that doesn't make him better.

I'll grant you that the offensive system and talent help Arian more than what bush has in Miami, but Reggie couldnt even be special in new Orleans in an offense that was PERFECT for his skill set.

And now you want the texans world to take you seriously when you say that bush, the other guy and rookie Lamar miller are equal to what we field on Sundays? Gtfo.

Arian is an elite back in the league. Period.

I'd take quite a few backfields over the dlolphins.
The dlolphins backfield is not as good as a lot of teams in the NFL and now they are supposed to be a "wash" with one of the best, if not the best?

Stop it.

Allstar
09-06-2012, 02:21 PM
I am absolutely blown away by you saying the RB's are a push. That is just ridiculous.

corytx8
09-06-2012, 02:27 PM
I'm sorry, you can't honestly say that Talent-wise Miami isn't equal to the Texans RBs. You're also undervaluing what they drafted in Lamar Miller, who is better than Forsett. Bush in the Texans Off would put up similar numbers as Foster, Foster in the Dolphins Off would put up similar numbers as Bush. Bush is more explosive than Foster, but Foster is more powerful.

Its a wash honestly and unbiasedly

Really? This conversation is over......

JCTexan
09-06-2012, 02:32 PM
I'm sorry, you can't honestly say that Talent-wise Miami isn't equal to the Texans RBs. You're also undervaluing what they drafted in Lamar Miller, who is better than Forsett. Bush in the Texans Off would put up similar numbers as Foster, Foster in the Dolphins Off would put up similar numbers as Bush. Bush is more explosive than Foster, but Foster is more powerful.

Its a wash honestly and unbiasedly

Yes, I can. Reggie Bush's best year was last year where he rushed for 1,086 yards. Before that he hadn't rushed for 600 yards in a single season. Foster has been the starting RB for two seasons. Last year he rushed for 1,224 yards after missing three games. Foster has now had two seasons better than Bush ever has. To compare the two is a joke.

The only production you can compare with Tate and Thomas is last year. Tate rushed for 942 yards compared to Thomas' 581 yards. Again this is vastly in Houston's favor.

Bringing up Lamar Miller is a joke. The #3 RB's will hardly see the field on Sunday if the game is competitive at all.

gtexan02
09-06-2012, 02:36 PM
What do you mean Numbers ALWAYS Lie? Thats ridiculous

Reggie Bush was traded to the Dolphins for a special teamer and a swap of 6th round picks. What do you think Foster would cost someone?

We were offered a 1st for Tate. What do you think someone would offer for Thomas? Anything? You could cut Thomas and it would be unlikely that he would start or even be the #2 on any team

EmDiggy
09-06-2012, 02:42 PM
Yes, I can. Reggie Bush's best year was last year where he rushed for 1,086 yards. Before that he hadn't rushed for 600 yards in a single season. Foster has been the starting RB for two seasons. Last year he rushed for 1,224 yards after missing three games. Foster has now had two seasons better than Bush ever has. To compare the two is a joke.

The only production you can compare with Tate and Thomas is last year. Tate rushed for 942 yards compared to Thomas' 581 yards. Again this is vastly in Houston's favor.

Bringing up Lamar Miller is a joke. The #3 RB's will hardly see the field on Sunday if the game is competitive at all.

You are comparing numbers...not talent.

So, by your account, Emmitt Smith was better than Gayle Sayers or to a lesser extent Bo Jackson? (hint: there's no wrong answer because its all opinion)

Rey
09-06-2012, 02:42 PM
I have disagreed with plenty of your takes before, but this just makes me completely question your evaluation skills.

Maybe you believe bush is a caterpillar waiting to turn into a butterfly, but for your analysis of the game you called the backfields a wash.

That's asinine.

You look at this game coming up and you say the dlolphins and texans backfields are a wash?

I don't know why, but it's a little frustrating that you actually took time to put together analysis and came to that conclusion.

Rey
09-06-2012, 02:45 PM
You are comparing numbers...not talent.

So, by your account, Emmitt Smith was better than Gayle Sayers or to a lesser extent Bo Jackson? (hint: there's no wrong answer because its all opinion)

So basically the dlolphins backfield doesn't have to do anything in the NFL. They are just talented.

I'm curios because most would say that we have one of the better backfields in the league.

Do you put the dolphins combo of bush and Thomas on that same level? As having one of if not the best backfield in the league?

JCTexan
09-06-2012, 02:50 PM
You are comparing numbers...not talent.

So, by your account, Emmitt Smith was better than Gayle Sayers or to a lesser extent Bo Jackson? (hint: there's no wrong answer because its all opinion)

I am comparing their *production*. If you want to call them equal when nothing Bush has done on the field equates to the *production* Foster has put up in his first two seasons expect to get laughed out of here.

Dutchrudder
09-06-2012, 02:51 PM
For more analysis on the subject: http://boards.houstontexans.com/showthread.php?t=32532

I'm honestly trying to think of RB corps around the NFL that would be better or close to the Texans talented 1-2 punch of Foster/Tate. Only ones that come to mind as being close are Carolina with Williams/Stewart/Tolbert, Chicago with Forte/Michael Bush, KC with JC/Hillis/Grey, and maybe Jax or Minny would round out the top 5. Miami doesn't even enter the equation for me.

If we're going 3-deep in the RB depth, I think Carolina would be the top team, and Houston would be #2, but the difference would be that Foster is so much better than any of the Panther's RBs that I would rather have him leading the way. Depth is only good so long as you use it, and I don't really see Forsett or Lamar Miller doing much in this game unless someone gets hurt.

The Pencil Neck
09-06-2012, 02:55 PM
You are comparing numbers...not talent.

So, by your account, Emmitt Smith was better than Gayle Sayers or to a lesser extent Bo Jackson? (hint: there's no wrong answer because its all opinion)

What you're effectively arguing is that there's no difference between Peyton Manning and Ryan Leaf.

Having talent doesn't make you good or productive.

Bo Jackson could have been the greatest RB ever to play the game. He had the talent. But he was nowhere near productive enough to even be in that discussion.

In a 6 year career, Reggie Bush has rushed for 3100 yards and received 2400 yards and scored 23 rushing, 13 receiving, and 4 returning TDs. In a 3 year career (with the first spent mostly on the practice squad), Arian Foster has rushed for 3100 yards and received for 1300 yards and scored 29 rushing, and 4 receiving TDs. Arian Foster has led the league in rushing one time and Reggie Bush has never been in the discussion.

If you're putting together an NFL team right now and you're drafting your RB and you've got the choice of Arian Foster and Reggie Bush, are you telling me that it's a push? Are you telling me you'd have a problem choosing one over the other and that you'd spend more than a fraction of a second considering your options?

Personally, I'd choose Ben Tate over Reggie Bush, let alone Arian Foster.

But, like you said, that's your opinion.

It's just a really questionable opinion.

EmDiggy
09-06-2012, 02:56 PM
So basically the dlolphins backfield doesn't have to do anything in the NFL. They are just talented.

I'm curios because most would say that we have one of the better backfields in the league.

Do you put the dolphins combo of bush and Thomas on that same level? As having one of if not the best backfield in the league?

I'm strictly and purposely avoiding the obvious argument that is there to be had with regards to the system that the Texans operate in... Its the reason why M.S. never was able to find his "Terrell Davis or Clinton Portis" ever again.. The System makes Ben Tate look like a feature back.. So, in my opinion, Tate is no different than Thomas.

What most don't understand about the "system" is that when you have an exceptional talent, they put up great numbers and their talent supersedes the system (i.e. Terrell Davis, Clinton Portis, Arian Foster, Michael Crabtree at Texas Tech) So I'm giving Foster his props. I also feel that Bush has exceptional talent. 2011 was the 1st time he was given consistent carries from traditional formations and he proved he could handle it...he actually did it at USC as well. They also ran a Pro-style offense (Lot of I-Formation, Ace, Off-set I). In New Orleans, he never got that opportunity.. look at how they are using the trio of backs there now..

My point is that Both teams have two exceptional talents and two decent #2 backs.

Thus, a push

EmDiggy
09-06-2012, 02:59 PM
What you're effectively arguing is that there's no difference between Peyton Manning and Ryan Leaf.

Having talent doesn't make you good or productive.

Bo Jackson could have been the greatest RB ever to play the game. He had the talent. But he was nowhere near productive enough to even be in that discussion.

In a 6 year career, Reggie Bush has rushed for 3100 yards and received 2400 yards and scored 23 rushing, 13 receiving, and 4 returning TDs. In a 3 year career (with the first spent mostly on the practice squad), Arian Foster has rushed for 3100 yards and received for 1300 yards and scored 29 rushing, and 4 receiving TDs. Arian Foster has led the league in rushing one time and Reggie Bush has never been in the discussion.

If you're putting together an NFL team right now and you're drafting your RB and you've got the choice of Arian Foster and Reggie Bush, are you telling me that it's a push? Are you telling me you'd have a problem choosing one over the other and that you'd spend more than a fraction of a second considering your options?

Personally, I'd choose Ben Tate over Reggie Bush, let alone Arian Foster.

But, like you said, that's your opinion.

It's just a really questionable opinion.

But my opinion is questionable? :cool:

infantrycak
09-06-2012, 03:00 PM
I'm sorry, you can't honestly say that Talent-wise Miami isn't equal to the Texans RBs. You're also undervaluing what they drafted in Lamar Miller, who is better than Forsett. Bush in the Texans Off would put up similar numbers as Foster, Foster in the Dolphins Off would put up similar numbers as Bush. Bush is more explosive than Foster, but Foster is more powerful.

Its a wash honestly and unbiasedly

I know how you hate numbers (foolish assertion to begin with) but exactly how is Bush more explosive?

Bush - 6 years in the league - 17 runs over 20 yards, 3 over 40 yards.

Foster - 3 years in the league - 20 runs over 20 yards, 5 over 40 yards (with almost 100 less carries).

The wash would be washing off the stank of any comparison between the two cadres.

Rey
09-06-2012, 03:01 PM
For more analysis on the subject: http://boards.houstontexans.com/showthread.php?t=32532
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Haha :spit:

Those guys over there are hilarious

The Pencil Neck
09-06-2012, 03:01 PM
But my opinion is questionable? :cool:

If you think it's a push between Arian Foster and Reggie Bush, then... yes.

Dutchrudder
09-06-2012, 03:07 PM
If you think it's a push between Arian Foster and Reggie Bush, then... yes.

http://files-cdn.formspring.me/photos/20120111/n4f0e21d085a7c.jpg

ObsiWan
09-06-2012, 03:16 PM
I'm sorry, you can't honestly say that Talent-wise Miami isn't equal to the Texans RBs. You're also undervaluing what they drafted in Lamar Miller, who is better than Forsett. Bush in the Texans Off would put up similar numbers as Foster, Foster in the Dolphins Off would put up similar numbers as Bush. Bush is more explosive than Foster, but Foster is more powerful.

Its a wash honestly and unbiasedly

No he wouldn't.
Bush isn't as a decisive, one cut and go RB as Foster is. You have to have that skill/ability in this offense to be effective. Bush still dances too much and that's counter-productive in this scheme.
Also, as you said yourself, Bush doesn't have the power that Foster has.

I will grant you that, I think, from a breakaway standpoint they might be equivalent. In fact, there was a time that Bush might have had the edge in top-end speed, but with six NFL years on his legs I doubt that is presently the case.

...but I understand, you had to give the Miami fans sommmme reason to tune into the game
:D

Rey
09-06-2012, 03:17 PM
I'm strictly and purposely avoiding the obvious argument that is there to be had with regards to the system that the Texans operate in... Its the reason why M.S. never was able to find his "Terrell Davis or Clinton Portis" ever again.. The System makes Ben Tate look like a feature back.. So, in my opinion, Tate is no different than Thomas.

What most don't understand about the "system" is that when you have an exceptional talent, they put up great numbers and their talent supersedes the system (i.e. Terrell Davis, Clinton Portis, Arian Foster, Michael Crabtree at Texas Tech) So I'm giving Foster his props. I also feel that Bush has exceptional talent. 2011 was the 1st time he was given consistent carries from traditional formations and he proved he could handle it...he actually did it at USC as well. They also ran a Pro-style offense (Lot of I-Formation, Ace, Off-set I). In New Orleans, he never got that opportunity.. look at how they are using the trio of backs there now..

My point is that Both teams have two exceptional talents and two decent #2 backs.

Thus, a push

Ben Tate is just decent?

He averaged more ypc than Arian did and had about 1000 yards rushing last year???

What does he have to do to upgrade past "decent"?

Have you watched him play?

And you keep saying you feel bush has exceptional talent. I won't argue with you on that. But that has absolutely zero to do with your game analysis.

I think a lot of players in the NFL have exceptional talent. But that doesn't always translate to on field production which is what ultimately matters ya know...

Jmo, but bush is not as good as foster and while he might be faster and more springy, he lacks in other areas that make foster a better back. Vision, patience, strength, balance, pass blocking and having a variety of ways to hurt you. Sweet enough to juke you out of your shoes, big and strong enough to run through tackles, great hand out of the backfield.

Ahmad Bradshaw is a better rb than Reggie bush. Frank gore, McFadden, Charles, mojo, unmotivated Chris Johnson...he'll I'd take most of the leagues starting backs and some back ups over bush. I'd take everyone of our backs all the way to grimes on the practice squad over bush.

ObsiWan
09-06-2012, 03:23 PM
I'm strictly and purposely avoiding the obvious argument that is there to be had with regards to the system that the Texans operate in... Its the reason why M.S. never was able to find his "Terrell Davis or Clinton Portis" ever again.. The System makes Ben Tate look like a feature back.. So, in my opinion, Tate is no different than Thomas.

What most don't understand about the "system" is that when you have an exceptional talent, they put up great numbers and their talent supersedes the system (i.e. Terrell Davis, Clinton Portis, Arian Foster, Michael Crabtree at Texas Tech) So I'm giving Foster his props. I also feel that Bush has exceptional talent. 2011 was the 1st time he was given consistent carries from traditional formations and he proved he could handle it...he actually did it at USC as well. They also ran a Pro-style offense (Lot of I-Formation, Ace, Off-set I). In New Orleans, he never got that opportunity.. look at how they are using the trio of backs there now..

My point is that Both teams have two exceptional talents and two decent #2 backs.

Thus, a push

Okay... I get it.

Our UnDrafted Free Agent is equivalent to Miami's number 2 overall pick/Heismann Trophy winner... (oh my bad... he had to give that back, didn't he? :D )

Texn4life
09-06-2012, 04:02 PM
That would be like saying the QB matchup between the Colts and Patriots this year would be a wash or would favor Luck because he's the more exceptional TALENT. May be one of the dumbest arguments I've ever heard.

Jackie Chiles
09-06-2012, 04:39 PM
EmDiggy, I love watching your previews every week but Ben Tate is waaaaay better than you are giving him credit for. He runs so angry, one of the most entertaining runners in the league, even more so than Foster imo. Someday he's going to be the feature back somewhere else and that man is going to put up some 1500 yard seasons, barring injury of course. System be damned.

Speedy
09-06-2012, 04:47 PM
Wow.

Reggie bush is not = to Arian foster and I can't believe you are trying to make that argument. You are using explosiveness as your argument and that's just one aspect to being a rb.

Arian is bigger, has better vision, has a better feel for running the ball and he's still explosive enough to gash teams for really long runs.

Reggie is more "explosive" than a lot of rb's in the league but that doesn't make him better.

I'll grant you that the offensive system and talent help Arian more than what bush has in Miami, but Reggie couldnt even be special in new Orleans in an offense that was PERFECT for his skill set.

And now you want the texans world to take you seriously when you say that bush, the other guy and rookie Lamar miller are equal to what we field on Sundays? Gtfo.

Arian is an elite back in the league. Period.

I'd take quite a few backfields over the dlolphins.
The dlolphins backfield is not as good as a lot of teams in the NFL and now they are supposed to be a "wash" with one of the best, if not the best?

Stop it.

You are comparing numbers...not talent.

So, by your account, Emmitt Smith was better than Gayle Sayers or to a lesser extent Bo Jackson? (hint: there's no wrong answer because its all opinion)

Yeah, there is a wrong answer. And you've got it. Please read bolded above, especially the red, for the right answer.

You missed the boat on that one Diggy. Maybe numbers lie, but whatever you're looking at is stealing your money and running off with your wife.

Lucky
09-06-2012, 11:41 PM
Bush is more explosive than Foster, but Foster is more powerful.

Its a wash honestly and unbiasedly
You've re-defined the words "wash, "honestly", and "unbiasedly" in one sentence. Only the most diehard Reggie Bush lover would make that assertion. I take that back. Kim Kardashian would pick Arian Foster.
You are comparing numbers...not talent.

Define "talent"? Why doesn't this "talent" ever translate to the football field?
Miami doesn't even enter the equation for me.

I think Miami's backfield would be considered for the bottom 10 in the league. I'm being honest and unbiased, because I could give a rat's arse about the Dolphins.


My point is that Both teams have two exceptional talents and two decent #2 backs.

Thus, a push
Foster has proven on the field to be far superior to Bush. Tate has proven to be far superior to Thomas (this may be the bigger joke). The Fins backfield isn't in the same galaxy as the Texans.

I know how you hate numbers (foolish assertion to begin with) but exactly how is Bush more explosive?

Bush - 6 years in the league - 17 runs over 20 yards, 3 over 40 yards.

Foster - 3 years in the league - 20 runs over 20 yards, 5 over 40 yards (with almost 100 less carries).

I was going to post this, so I will just add that Foster has (4) 40+ receptions to Bush's 3. In 210 fewer catches.

I'm scratching my head on this one. I would expect a post like this from a hardcore Dolphin fan or a Bush jocker (if there are actually anymore out there). But not a student of the game.

Texn4life
09-07-2012, 12:00 AM
I'm scratching my head on this one. I would expect a post like this from a hardcore Dolphin fan or a Bush jocker (if there are actually anymore out there). But not a student of the game.

Lucky, you are using that term very loosely right now.

b0ng
09-07-2012, 12:01 AM
I'm sorry, you can't honestly say that Talent-wise Miami isn't equal to the Texans RBs. You're also undervaluing what they drafted in Lamar Miller, who is better than Forsett. Bush in the Texans Off would put up similar numbers as Foster, Foster in the Dolphins Off would put up similar numbers as Bush. Bush is more explosive than Foster, but Foster is more powerful.

Its a wash honestly and unbiasedly

There is no way you could convince anybody not on a Dolphins forum that Reggie Bush would put up similar numbers to Arian Foster in the Texans offense. You even just say it off-the-cuff as if we all should know this and you provide nothing to even back up this pretty ambiguous statement.

EDIT: If the best argument you have for Bush is "I believe he is exceptionally talented" you should probably keep that particular opinion to yourself. We can all believe that one player or another is exceptionally talented, but if they don't produce on the field they are not as good as the players that do produce on the field. That's like Skip Bayless levels of perpetuating arguments.

wolf123
09-07-2012, 12:22 AM
Agree with every Texans fan on here. :texflag:

Joeycharp89
09-07-2012, 12:25 AM
I will say this in his favor. When talking about Ben Tate and Thomas side by side with the same blocking/offensive scheme I'd say they are very similar. Production is what matters for the win, yes. And he predicts the Texans to win. But all he says is that the running backs themselves have similar levels of talent.

Allstar
09-07-2012, 12:27 AM
I think the point Em is dancing around isn't so much that Bush is all world, it's that he genuinely believes Arian and Tate's success is very much a product of our system, which I think is BS. Arian Foster is a top 3 back in this league, no matter what team he plays for.

Texn4life
09-07-2012, 12:38 AM
I will say this in his favor. When talking about Ben Tate and Thomas side by side with the same blocking/offensive scheme I'd say they are very similar. Production is what matters for the win, yes. And he predicts the Texans to win. But all he says is that the running backs themselves have similar levels of talent.

Well to use his poor logic against him...... He says the reason that Bush is on the same level as Foster is because he's more explosive. I don't think anyone in their right mind would argue that Thomas is more explosive than Tate. On top of that Tate runs just as hard as Thomas, and without looking up the stats I'd bet that he probably breaks more tackles. The argument is extremely poor. Plus, he says that Miller is better than Forsett? Miller's 3 ypc in the preseason were very impressive. The kid hasn't shown anything in the NFL to show that he's better than Forsett.

He's basically pulling stuff out of his backside with his argument. Sometimes people say things without thinking and are afraid to admit when they're full of it. To be honest this is the first of his videos I've ever seen. Bad first impression as I'm very unimpressed.

Thorn
09-07-2012, 05:26 AM
Does EmDiggy post his productions on both teams sites? If so, he's probably just being a bit political so as not to completly alienate a team's fans on that site. Even still, I wouldn't compare Reggie Bust to Foster except in the catagory of golf cart vs Chevy Camaro. LOL

Rey
09-07-2012, 07:54 AM
Does EmDiggy post his productions on both teams sites? If so, he's probably just being a bit political so as not to completly alienate a team's fans on that site. Even still, I wouldn't compare Reggie Bust to Foster except in the catagory of golf cart vs Chevy Camaro. LOL

I think maybe he shouldve picked a better category to express his political correctness as the rb's are not even close.

It'd be like comparing Stephen hill to Andre Johnson and saying the wr position is a wash because hill is big, strong and fast and the talent is there.

Nevermind that he hasn't actually done anything.

Jmo, but when you're an analyst I think you should stick to the facts and it's s proven fact that the texans backfield trumps the dlolphins.

It'd be completely different if in his commentary he says something like:

"the texans obviously have the more accomplished backfield and they get the edge here, but I like the combination of bush and Thomas. Bush turned it on last year and had his best season as a pro. With a rookie qb and a new head coach that will be more dedicated to feeding his backs I think bush is ready to take the next step in his career and begin to legitimize himself as a featured back in this league. The talent is definitely there and bush's explosiveness could prove dangerous for defenses if he's finally put it together. This is a match up to watch and observe"

THAT would have made more sense to me. But to say the rb position is a wash at this point just sounds ridiculous. I think he hash a bush crush because the logic he uses is that bush and Thomas would equal foster and Tate in our system...:umm: That doesn't make any sense even if we go with the assumption that it's true.

They aren't going to be running in our system. They are going to be running in theirs. Seems like a strange arguing point to me.

thunderkyss
09-07-2012, 08:36 AM
Thanks SS! I think you can place Bush/Thomas in that offense and you won't miss a beat.



Yep..and I approve that statement #Hunt2012



:toropalm:

drs23
09-07-2012, 09:35 AM
I think maybe he shouldve picked a better category to express his political correctness as the rb's are not even close.

It'd be like comparing Stephen hill to Andre Johnson and saying the wr position is a wash because hill is big, strong and fast and the talent is there.

Nevermind that he hasn't actually done anything.

Jmo, but when you're an analyst I think you should stick to the facts and it's s proven fact that the texans backfield trumps the dlolphins.

It'd be completely different if in his commentary he says something like:

"the texans obviously have the more accomplished backfield and they get the edge here, but I like the combination of bush and Thomas. Bush turned it on last year and had his best season as a pro. With a rookie qb and a new head coach that will be more dedicated to feeding his backs I think bush is ready to take the next step in his career and begin to legitimize himself as a featured back in this league. The talent is definitely there and bush's explosiveness could prove dangerous for defenses if he's finally put it together. This is a match up to watch and observe"

THAT would have made more sense to me. But to say the rb position is a wash at this point just sounds ridiculous. I think he hash a bush crush because the logic he uses is that bush and Thomas would equal foster and Tate in our system...:umm: That doesn't make any sense even if we go with the assumption that it's true.

They aren't going to be running in our system. They are going to be running in theirs. Seems like a strange arguing point to me.

Well said, ReyDiggy. :D

b0ng
09-07-2012, 10:51 AM
I think maybe he shouldve picked a better category to express his political correctness as the rb's are not even close.

It'd be like comparing Stephen hill to Andre Johnson and saying the wr position is a wash because hill is big, strong and fast and the talent is there.

Nevermind that he hasn't actually done anything.

Jmo, but when you're an analyst I think you should stick to the facts and it's s proven fact that the texans backfield trumps the dlolphins.

It'd be completely different if in his commentary he says something like:

"the texans obviously have the more accomplished backfield and they get the edge here, but I like the combination of bush and Thomas. Bush turned it on last year and had his best season as a pro. With a rookie qb and a new head coach that will be more dedicated to feeding his backs I think bush is ready to take the next step in his career and begin to legitimize himself as a featured back in this league. The talent is definitely there and bush's explosiveness could prove dangerous for defenses if he's finally put it together. This is a match up to watch and observe"

THAT would have made more sense to me. But to say the rb position is a wash at this point just sounds ridiculous. I think he hash a bush crush because the logic he uses is that bush and Thomas would equal foster and Tate in our system...:umm: That doesn't make any sense even if we go with the assumption that it's true.

They aren't going to be running in our system. They are going to be running in theirs. Seems like a strange arguing point to me.

The entire "system" argument can be shot down by naming off every back the Texans have had prior to Arian Foster. Slaton, Brown, Moats, Dayne, Green, Gado, Adminchinobe. The argument pretty much falls apart when people realize you actually still have to have a decent back in the system in order to produce a top of the line NFL rushing attack.

thunderkyss
09-07-2012, 11:06 AM
And you keep saying you feel bush has exceptional talent. I won't argue with you on that.

I'm going to argue with that.

I think a lot of players in the NFL have exceptional talent.

Agree with that. You don't get to the NFL without talent. Jacoby Jones is one talented mopho

Jmo, but bush is not as good as foster...

I think we're way past opinion on this.... 6 years for Bush, 3 years for Foster. Your head is buried deep in the sand if you still think it's an opinion issue.

Ahmad Bradshaw is a better rb than Reggie bush. Frank gore, McFadden, Charles, mojo, unmotivated Chris Johnson...


Heck, just look at the Saints if he's going to say it's a system thing. Darren Sproles (who is what Reggie Bush was supposed to be when they drafted him) gained 1300 yards from scrimmage & 7 TDs. Bush's first season he got 1200 yards & 2 TDs.... that was his best season as a Saint & the other 4 were no where close.

Pierre Thomas, different kind of back, but you're not going to get the Saints to trade him for a 6th round swap, because he produces in that system.

Chris Ivory... the Saints would rather have Chris Ivory instead of Reggie Bush on their roster & he looks productive at times.

Pierre Thomas, Darren Sproles, Chris Ivory.... they ain't Arian Foster & they produced much better in the system Reggie Bush didn't. Put Arian Foster on the Saints & I guarantee you he will blow Reggie's best numbers out of the water in less than 10 games.

Guaranteed!!!

:texan:

silvrhand
09-07-2012, 11:09 AM
Pierre Thomas, Darren Sproles, Chris Ivory.... they ain't Arian Foster & they produced much better in the system Reggie Bush didn't. Put Arian Foster on the Saints & I guarantee you he will blow Reggie's best numbers out of the water in less than 10 games.

Guaranteed!!!

:texan:

Let's be fair now, the Saints are ALWAYS stacked at RB, and Bush never really got a chance to be a prime time back, I think this year he'll get that chance.

Carr Bombed
09-07-2012, 11:55 AM
I'm sorry, you can't honestly say that Talent-wise Miami isn't equal to the Texans RBs. You're also undervaluing what they drafted in Lamar Miller, who is better than Forsett. Bush in the Texans Off would put up similar numbers as Foster, Foster in the Dolphins Off would put up similar numbers as Bush. Bush is more explosive than Foster, but Foster is more powerful.

Its a wash honestly and unbiasedly

:rolleyes: um yeah I can honestly say that the Dolphins RBs aren't near as talented as the Texans.. any other NFL fan in the league would say that. Hell I bet the majority of Dolphin fans don't even believe their backs are as talented as ours. This "football expert" is the same guy who said the Colts had a more talented backfield a year ago.. he simply doesn't know what he's talking about when it comes to the RB position.

Carr Bombed
09-07-2012, 12:01 PM
Let's be fair now, the Saints are ALWAYS stacked at RB, and Bush never really got a chance to be a prime time back.

It wasn't because of a lack of giving him chances.. they had to go to a committee, because of how awful Bush was and how many times he failed running up the middle. Speed doesn't mean crap when you lack the vision and insticts. Who was more explosive, Hollings or DD?

thunderkyss
09-07-2012, 12:14 PM
Let's be fair now, the Saints are ALWAYS stacked at RB, and Bush never really got a chance to be a prime time back, I think this year he'll get that chance.

He didn't have to. If he would have produced like Sproles did, in the same situation, they never would have got rid of him. They'd have been happy with that production, I'd have been happy with that production.

You wouldn't have the "decoy" arguments the Saints fans used for him for years. Sproles isn't a "decoy" he's an offensive weapon. He is someone you have to gameplan for.


OT...... FYI, EMDiggy posted this yesterday on Phins.com (http://www.thephins.com/forums/showthread.php?71797-Football-Gameplan-s-2012-Dolphins-vs-Texans-Video-Preview&)
Thanks Gang! I guess the big debate I started with Texans fans is btw the RB comment of it being a "push".. I truly believe Talent-wise its the same. Some people can't separate numbers from their argument, when numbers ALWAYS lie...

He hasn't gotten any real responses yet.

kiwitexansfan
09-07-2012, 01:16 PM
Does EmDiggy post his productions on both teams sites? LOL

He does, my new thing for this year is to spend the week before each game hanging out at the opponents board, this week it is thephins.com. Nice enough members, horrible layout.

Anywho, I asked them what they thought, opinions vary. Some feel our 1-2 punch is better but there 1-3 is superior, others feel it is our OL and system that makes the difference.

They seem pretty happy with what they have and consider it the strongest part of their team.

Thorn
09-07-2012, 01:22 PM
He does, my new thing for this year is to spend the week before each game hanging out at the opponents board, this week it is thephins.com. Nice enough members, horrible layout.

Anywho, I asked them what they thought, opinions vary. Some feel our 1-2 punch is better but there 1-3 is superior, others feel it is our OL and system that makes the difference.

They seem pretty happy with what they have and consider it the strongest part of their team.

Cool, thanks for checking that out. As to the Dolphin fans, hey, if they are happy with their team, good for them. :)

b0ng
09-07-2012, 01:24 PM
He does, my new thing for this year is to spend the week before each game hanging out at the opponents board, this week it is thephins.com. Nice enough members, horrible layout.

Anywho, I asked them what they thought, opinions vary. Some feel our 1-2 punch is better but there 1-3 is superior, others feel it is our OL and system that makes the difference.

They seem pretty happy with what they have and consider it the strongest part of their team.

www.finheaven.com forums has a lot of posters.

kiwitexansfan
09-07-2012, 01:44 PM
That board seems like it would be just as awful to look at as thephins.

Let me just express how grateful I am that this board is run the way it is with all the limits and restrictions it has on content of signatures and avatars etc.

This board is by far the easiest to read message board I have visited.

THANK YOU

Thorn
09-07-2012, 01:47 PM
That board seems like it would be just as awful to look at as thephins.

Let me just express how grateful I am that this board is run the way it is with all the limits and restrictions it has on content of signatures and avatars etc.

This board is by far the easiest to read message board I have visited.

THANK YOU

Let me second that. This board is easy to look at and spend time on. There are just way to many BBS's that are just HORRID to the eyes.

BigBull17
09-07-2012, 02:37 PM
I'm sorry, you can't honestly say that Talent-wise Miami isn't equal to the Texans RBs. You're also undervaluing what they drafted in Lamar Miller, who is better than Forsett. Bush in the Texans Off would put up similar numbers as Foster, Foster in the Dolphins Off would put up similar numbers as Bush. Bush is more explosive than Foster, but Foster is more powerful.

Its a wash honestly and unbiasedly

Not true. So totally not true. There aren't to many RB's Tate would back up in the NFL. Thomas would have a hard time sticking to this roster. Wouldn't sell Forsett short either. In no way shape or form can you honestly believe that the RB talent is remotely "even".

BigBull17
09-07-2012, 02:41 PM
Let's be fair now, the Saints are ALWAYS stacked at RB, and Bush never really got a chance to be a prime time back, I think this year he'll get that chance.

Because he couldn't win the job...

Speedy
09-07-2012, 03:47 PM
I'm sorry, you can't honestly say that Talent-wise Miami isn't equal to the Texans RBs. You're also undervaluing what they drafted in Lamar Miller, who is better than Forsett. Bush in the Texans Off would put up similar numbers as Foster, Foster in the Dolphins Off would put up similar numbers as Bush. Bush is more explosive than Foster, but Foster is more powerful.

Its a wash honestly and unbiasedly

So YOU say Bush would put up similar numbers, but then say numbers ALWAYS lie. Can't have it both ways there Digster.

And that's your 2nd wrong statement in all of this. Numbers don't lie. They don't always tell the whole story, but they don't ALWAYS lie.

If you are trying to make a name for yourself as an analyst, you're losing a lot of credibility with your line of thinking on this. It may be your opinion but it doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

The Pencil Neck
09-07-2012, 04:10 PM
"Numbers always lie" is a coward's way out. Just a horrible catchphrase.

Wins and losses are numbers. The score is numbers.

To say that numbers always lie means that actual performance is irrelevant. And then it's all about "talent." And then it's "this guy is just as good as that guy because I say so."

I've lost all respect for EmDiggy over this. Not going to watch any more of his videos.

michaelm
09-07-2012, 04:57 PM
I'm sorry, you can't honestly say that Talent-wise Miami isn't equal to the Texans RBs. You're also undervaluing what they drafted in Lamar Miller, who is better than Forsett. Bush in the Texans Off would put up similar numbers as Foster, Foster in the Dolphins Off would put up similar numbers as Bush. Bush is more explosive than Foster, but Foster is more powerful.

Its a wash honestly and unbiasedly


Wow, I've wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt since early last season, but never really found anything solid to hang onto in your previews. Now, however, I don't think I will ever be able to take any of your analysis seriously.
No offense, I'm not trying to insult you or anything, but your assessment is off by several degrees of magnitude.

drs23
09-07-2012, 05:01 PM
Just a hunch on my part but for this exchange I believe Diggy has left the building. :slapfight:

LEATHERHEAD
09-08-2012, 04:11 AM
:thinking::choke::texflag:HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA..WOW

hradhak
09-09-2012, 09:58 AM
Because he couldn't win the job...

And my guess is that Reggie Bush only got 1000+ yards with the phins because they have nothing else going for them offensively. In a good offense like the Saints, Reggie Bush is irrelevant. When you have nothing else, Reggie Bush will get 1000+.

beerlover
09-09-2012, 10:30 AM
Too many of my fellow Texan comrades are focusing on a match-up comparison that while critical to both teams success if far from the only areas in which to focus ones attention. The key components of each teams game plan, should be discussed as a whole which EmDiggy delivers poignantly.

Texan defense must stay diciplined & not too aggressive, let rookie QB Tannehill expose himself. Texans need to play smart, stay loose but not over confident. Ryan can stretch plays with his athleticism/legs (will be fun to watch) buy time & as Diggy suggested his TE set could cause problems as we know one weakness of this Texan defense r linebackers in coverage. Brooks is questionable with a hip, so Merciuls may get his first start, if so expect Miami to attack him in run plays & delayed pitches & screens taking him out of position as he blows into the backfield. While the check marks do look promising the Dolphin Texan games have always been close & competitive. I'll also be watching Schaubs pass pro off the right side, hope Newton & Caldwell are ready for some Cameron Wakefiled @ blitz packages using Karlos Dansby & Kevin Burnett. :texflag:

hradhak
09-09-2012, 10:34 AM
Our key to success in this game is force the offense onto Tannehill. If you shutdown the run early and force the phins to play from behind you are putting them in a weak position. Until Tannehill can show he's a good passer (he never did at A&M imo) they will run the offense from the ground. And that's not sustainable if you are playing from behind.

Rey
09-09-2012, 11:08 AM
Lamar miller isn't even active for the dlolphins....

thunderkyss
09-09-2012, 06:16 PM
Gots to give EmDiggy his props. Reggie Bush is one talented Mofo.



Too bad he's too small to take the beating. :kitten: