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alphajoker
09-03-2012, 09:23 PM
Yowzers!


http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2012/09/fight-breaks-out-in-rafters-of-reliant-stadium/

Khari
09-03-2012, 09:28 PM
that's just stupid....:toropalm:

Texan_Bill
09-03-2012, 09:44 PM
WTF??? I hate stoopid people! AND I'm fairly stupid!

gwallaia
09-03-2012, 09:52 PM
This is the fight I was talking about the other day. http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=93906

For the record, the guy filming and narrating the event does not know all the lyrics to Get Back.

Texan_Bill
09-03-2012, 09:56 PM
This is the fight I was talking about the other day. http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=93906

For the record, the guy filming and narrating the event does not know all the lyrics to Get Back.

DUDE!! With your advanced career / financial situation, can't you afford better seats than up there with those simpletons??? :kitten::turtle:

gwallaia
09-03-2012, 10:00 PM
I'm in the lower section of the 500's. They are up in the 600's.

btw, check your inbox Bill.

Texan_Bill
09-03-2012, 10:02 PM
I'm in the lower section of the 500's. They are up in the 600's.

btw, check your inbox Bill.

Did brother, and I replied!

texanmojo
09-03-2012, 11:43 PM
Seriously...fighting over a damn preseason game? Dumb ****s...

NitroGSXR
09-03-2012, 11:46 PM
DUDE!! With your advanced career / financial situation, can't you afford better seats than up there with those simpletons??? :kitten::turtle:

I'm in 651. Simpletons? What the hell, Bill?

Rey
09-04-2012, 08:08 AM
They are discussing texans chicks comments about this on the radio.

cuppacoffee
09-04-2012, 10:05 AM
Don't know if this has been posted yet.

Was this one of our posters putting the beat down on the Reggie Bush fan?

http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/article_external/video_brawl_erupted_at_houston_texans_preseason_ga me/11615137


:coffee:

CloakNNNdagger
09-04-2012, 10:24 AM
Pretty pathetic. But is has been posted in Tailgate.

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=94291

chicagotexan2
09-04-2012, 10:44 AM
It was me. Who knew he'd get pissed because I said Kim Kardashian has a pimply a$$.

cuppacoffee
09-04-2012, 11:05 AM
It was me. Who knew he'd get pissed because I said Kim Kardashian has a pimply a$$.

Good job.

:coffee:

gtexan02
09-04-2012, 11:10 AM
If it were me, I'd kick every single one of them out and ban every single one of them from every single NFL venue for life. Its people like this that cause the Dodgers stadium incidents.

XI CMURDER IX
09-04-2012, 11:12 AM
Did the guy at :39 seconds throw a cardboard box? Also the little kid in the bottom left corner at :45 seconds was throwing punches too, kidney shots!

Big Lou
09-04-2012, 11:16 AM
Couple of observations from the video.

1. If you notice it was just verbal until a guy in a Raiders Jersey shows up and then it gets physical. Coincidence I think not. (It looked like an Oakland Jersey at least)

2. The guy in the Andre jersey needs to go get a different jersey, because he disrespected AJ with that performance, AJ knows how to whip some azz, it has been well documented by CBS. He needs like a pink Mittens Jersey fighting like that.

3. Seems like that one girl was the real problem, they were holding her back early on, maybe Reggie Bush dumped her for Kim or something, cause she was all pissed off at the Reggie fan.

4. The guy in the Cush jersey is legit, he represented #56 well, as he came over and the sh*t came to a halt.

5. A Reggie Bush USC jersey? Really, why? Did I miss something, did we play the Dolphins in Preseason..........

cuppacoffee
09-04-2012, 11:19 AM
Pretty pathetic. But is has been posted in Tailgate.

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=94291



Sorry

I missed it. I very seldom visit that forum. I feel like a trespasser being that I don't tailgate. Guess it's because I can't attend games.

Log on..clik Texans Talk .. clik NFL news .. clik NSZ and spend the rest of the day arguing and most often making a fool of myself. Sure is fun though.

Doesn't take much to amuse senile old people.:D

Anyone who wants to can quote me when the occasion is appropriate.


:coffee:

SheTexan
09-04-2012, 11:58 AM
If it were me, I'd kick every single one of them out and ban every single one of them from every single NFL venue for life. Its people like this that cause the Dodgers stadium incidents.

I read that they had all disappeared by the time security got their act together. The guy who made the video was supposedly the only one interviewed.

You can't blame security for this though! They simply cannot be everywhere, all the time. This was immaturity at it's best, displayed by people who should have known better. Embarrassing, to say the least!

TexansBlood
09-04-2012, 12:54 PM
Kinda sad this video went viral it was even on Good Morning America.

Texas T
09-04-2012, 01:19 PM
It looked like an Eagles game (just different jerseys).

I've never been to a home game but when I talk to people at away games they do talk about how nice people in Houston are to them at games.

It's rather embarrassing-now that it's all over the internet and T.V., this is how people will think of Texans fans. Great we'll be the new Eagles...

Lurvinator11
09-04-2012, 01:20 PM
I was just a couple sections away from this. Saw the whole thing go down. It was interesting. And yes, Security didn't show up until like 5 minutes later. They should have been on top of that.

OzzO
09-04-2012, 01:49 PM
..You can't blame security for this though! They simply cannot be everywhere, all the time. ...

I was just a couple sections away from this. Saw the whole thing go down. It was interesting. And yes, Security didn't show up until like 5 minutes later. They should have been on top of that.

So who were the 3 or so red shirt / kahkis behind the group? Target employees? I guess that was outside the realm of ushers duties.. "woah, can't get involved, but let me show you where your section and seat are"

Lurvinator11
09-04-2012, 01:55 PM
So who were the 3 or so red shirt / kahkis behind the group? Target employees? I guess that was outside the realm of ushers duties.. "woah, can't get involved, but let me show you where your section and seat are"

From where I was sitting, I didn't see any security at all. Honestly, half of the gridiron endzone was standing up watching it. Idk if those ushers had security duties or not, but the fact is, no authority figures got involved.

NitroGSXR
09-04-2012, 10:57 PM
From where I was sitting, I didn't see any security at all. Honestly, half of the gridiron endzone was standing up watching it. Idk if those ushers had security duties or not, but the fact is, no authority figures got involved.
They were there. Ushers, I mean.

SheTexan
09-05-2012, 10:39 AM
So who were the 3 or so red shirt / kahkis behind the group? Target employees? I guess that was outside the realm of ushers duties.. "woah, can't get involved, but let me show you where your section and seat are"

Don't have any idea who the red shirt people are, or what they do. Security in my section wear yellow. When they have called for assistance, someone in green shows up. Maybe it's different in each level. IDK!

michaelm
09-06-2012, 05:35 PM
From where I was sitting, I didn't see any security at all. Honestly, half of the gridiron endzone was standing up watching it. Idk if those ushers had security duties or not, but the fact is, no authority figures got involved.

I was in the section next to that one looking upwards, and I could see three guys standing in the walkway behind the top row of seats, in what looked like security uniforms.
It seemed to me like they didn't really want to get in the middle of a melee.

Lurvinator11
09-07-2012, 03:27 AM
I was in the section next to that one looking upwards, and I could see three guys standing in the walkway behind the top row of seats, in what looked like security uniforms.
It seemed to me like they didn't really want to get in the middle of a melee.

If it was me, I wouldn't want to either. But it is their job. That is just my opinion.

gtexan02
09-07-2012, 10:55 AM
5 minute response time is totally unacceptable. Fan on fan violence is getting to be a real problem. They need to address this quickly before it gets out of control. I don't want to go to a game and have to worry about being caught up in some morons biggest **** competition

gwallaia
09-07-2012, 11:00 AM
I witness the entire incident. The ushers and security were completely helpless. The cops should have been there much quicker. It could have got out of hand and spread very quickly.

As for the thugs that caused all this trouble, I would recommend a life-time ban from Reliant Stadium.

Double Barrel
09-07-2012, 11:12 AM
Easy solution that will never happen: quit serving booze at these events.

eriadoc
09-07-2012, 11:15 AM
Easy solution that will never happen: quit serving booze at these events.

But then people would have to drive home sober. Can't have that.

Yankee_In_TX
09-07-2012, 11:33 AM
Easy solution that will never happen: quit serving booze at these events.

They come in sloppy from the parking lots. Dunno' how much that would help.

Yankee_In_TX
09-07-2012, 11:35 AM
As for the thugs that caused all this trouble, I would recommend a life-time ban from Reliant Stadium.

I have thought this every time I see a fight. If the seat owner is involved in the fight, kick them out for the season.

If the seat owner sold the tickets give them one and only one warning. If it happens again, revoke their tickets.

SheTexan
09-07-2012, 12:18 PM
I have thought this every time I see a fight. If the seat owner is involved in the fight, kick them out for the season.

If the seat owner sold the tickets give them one and only one warning. If it happens again, revoke their tickets.

This is shaky ground to me Yank. A lot of fans sell tickets through the Texans ticket exchange. It's not fair to blame them for a strangers actions. NOW, if it's family/friends, then YES, give them a warning, but, that's debatable also. Fans should be held accountable for their OWN actions, not the PSL owner. JMO!

When Aaron messed up a couple years ago, even though it was not a fight, I punished him myself. He didn't return to another game that year. He was also told that was the only screwup he was allowed EVER! He ever gets that drunk at another game he will be watching from home, and he knows I mean it. I'm not taking a chance of losing my PSLs!!

Rey
09-07-2012, 12:31 PM
They come in sloppy from the parking lots. Dunno' how much that would help.

Well, at least it would start to get out of their system and they wouldn't be continuously adding fuel to the fire.

I haven't seen the video, so can someone tell me what made this fight special? Newsworthy?

I've been to reliant a bunch of times for different events and I've seen a handful of fights or almost fights...

SheTexan
09-07-2012, 12:39 PM
Well, at least it would start to get out of their system and they wouldn't be continuously adding fuel to the fire.

They bring in their own flasks. Easy to sneak them in. I've learned that from my tailgating buddies!

gtexan02
09-07-2012, 01:23 PM
I have thought this every time I see a fight. If the seat owner is involved in the fight, kick them out for the season.

If the seat owner sold the tickets give them one and only one warning. If it happens again, revoke their tickets.

I think it would just be so much simpler to institute a national sports "May Not Attend List"

You go to one game and get picked up for something like fighting, you're banned for a year. Happens again, you're banned for life.

NFL, NBA, MLS, whatever. Security picks you up, swipes your ID, you get put into the system and thats that

Yankee_In_TX
09-07-2012, 01:32 PM
This is shaky ground to me Yank. A lot of fans sell tickets through the Texans ticket exchange.

Actually, it is in your PSL/season ticket holder agreement. You are responsible for how people in your seat act.

In fact, I think selling your tickets for profit also violates the agreement, yet the NFL has TicketExchange. Go figure.

eriadoc
09-07-2012, 02:49 PM
Actually, it is in your PSL/season ticket holder agreement. You are responsible for how people in your seat act.

In fact, I think selling your tickets for profit also violates the agreement, yet the NFL has TicketExchange. Go figure.

That's my only issue with your post above. If you're going to tell people they have to be responsible for a stranger's conduct, then stop peddling ticket scalping services.

Yankee_In_TX
09-07-2012, 04:28 PM
That's my only issue with your post above. If you're going to tell people they have to be responsible for a stranger's conduct, then stop peddling ticket scalping services.

Hey, I don't make the rules or enforce them, just relaying them :)

(Ticketexchange is a huge contradiction since I am pretty sure the PSL agreement says you cannot sell your ticket for profit, 'cause how many face value tickets do you see on there?)

J7R7wilson
09-07-2012, 06:58 PM
If it were me, I'd kick every single one of them out and ban every single one of them from every single NFL venue for life. Its people like this that cause the Dodgers stadium incidents.

This is the dumbest quote I think I've ever read lol...no offense lol but what is the nfl gonna do? Put face recognition software cameras at ever entrance? No. Are they gonna post the people's mugshots at every entrance? No. There is no way to ban someone. My dad works security for the texans and he himself told me its impossible. On another note I'll be tagging along with him Sunday morning doing the bomb sweep with the bomb dogs. Should be pretty cool.

Yankee_In_TX
09-07-2012, 07:12 PM
This is the dumbest quote I think I've ever read lol...no offense lol but what is the nfl gonna do? Put face recognition software cameras at ever entrance? No. Are they gonna post the people's mugshots at every entrance? No. There is no way to ban someone. My dad works security for the texans and he himself told me its impossible. On another note I'll be tagging along with him Sunday morning doing the bomb sweep with the bomb dogs. Should be pretty cool.

Well, considering people have been banned from pro sports stadiums, who sounds dumb now, no offense....

J7R7wilson
09-08-2012, 09:25 AM
Lol one taken Ryan...you are correct they CAN ban you...but they really can't stop you from getting in...71,000 people in reliant...they have no way of checking every person to see if they've been banned is my point lol...for example let's say I get banned...I buy a ticket from you and I'm gonna get in

Texecutioner
09-08-2012, 01:56 PM
Easy solution that will never happen: quit serving booze at these events.

That is not a solution. People get boozed up before games any way. Also a lot of these fights stem from fans harrassing other fans of other teams in their stadiums or those opposite fans getting really disrespectful and obnoxious trying to gain attention to themselves. Not fair to the fans who have a beer or two and behave and enjoy the game, because of a few random fights that take place here and there. You're packing 70,000 people in a stadium together in small little seats. There are always going to be incidents at ball games, rodeos, and concerts with that many people packed in at a high intensity entertainment event. Getting trained security who can take care of these situations is the answer. I think most stadiums do a pretty good job for the most part other than in the parking lots. The parking lots seem to be where a lot more fights take place.

Double Barrel
09-10-2012, 11:39 AM
That is not a solution.

Society always punishes the majority for the actions of a minority of individuals.

And you are simply incorrect that it's not a solution. No alcohol for three+ hours when emotions are running high due to the nature of fans at sporting events?

BTW, I'm not necessarily advocating this course of action, but saying it's not a solution is simply incorrect.

My own take is to let adults make their own decisions in life and hold them accountable with the full force of the law when they get stupid with it.

In a sort of related story:

Researchers from the University of Minnesota People under the age of 35 were eight times more likely to be legally drunk than other attendees, and fans who "tailgate" in the parking lot before the game were the worst offenders: They were 14 times more likely to leave a game intoxicated.

Study Finds One in 12 Are Drunk at Major Sporting Events (http://abcnews.go.com/Health/tailgaters-drunk-sporting-events/story?id=12646946)

If HPD really wanted to "get tough on drunks", they would have some sobriety tests at the exits of the games.

NitroGSXR
09-10-2012, 11:46 AM
If HPD really wanted to "get tough on drunks", they would have some sobriety tests at the exits of the games.
You could also say the same for setting up bars. I bet it's a hell of a lot higher than 14%.

I don't know why I felt the need to point that out but I would be vehemently against any kind of sobriety checkpoint. Remember, I also do not drink alcohol like you.

Double Barrel
09-10-2012, 11:59 AM
You could also say the same for setting up bars. I bet it's a hell of a lot higher than 14%.

I don't know why I felt the need to point that out but I would be vehemently against any kind of sobriety checkpoint. Remember, I also do not drink alcohol like you.

Many police departments routinely establish sobriety points near bars, especially those "no tolerance weekends".

While I agree with you in principle, unfortunately we are losing almost 50,000 American citizens every year in alcohol induced accidents. Some folks cannot help being incorrigible detriments to society. Pathetic, really.

NitroGSXR
09-10-2012, 12:44 PM
Many police departments routinely establish sobriety points near bars, especially those "no tolerance weekends".

While I agree with you in principle, unfortunately we are losing almost 50,000 American citizens every year in alcohol induced accidents. Some folks cannot help being incorrigible detriments to society. Pathetic, really.
After working the nightclub scene almost daily for over 12 years in several cities, I would have to disagree with a real police presence being there in that manner. I believe I've seen more sobriety checkpoints in movies as opposed to in person.

That's a horrific number to hear. I'm glad I did not contribute to a statistic like that, as ashamed as I am about it, I have driven drunk myself back when I was younger.

:(

michaelm
09-10-2012, 03:45 PM
Society always punishes the majority for the actions of a minority of individuals.

And you are simply incorrect that it's not a solution. No alcohol for three+ hours when emotions are running high due to the nature of fans at sporting events?

BTW, I'm not necessarily advocating this course of action, but saying it's not a solution is simply incorrect.

My own take is to let adults make their own decisions in life and hold them accountable with the full force of the law when they get stupid with it.

In a sort of related story:



If HPD really wanted to "get tough on drunks", they would have some sobriety tests at the exits of the games.

My plan was to get my wife pregnant strategically, so I have a designated driver for the entire season.
Might not be an option for every man... :kitten:

eriadoc
09-10-2012, 03:49 PM
My plan was to get my wife pregnant strategically, so I have a designated driver for the entire season.
Might not be an option for every man... :kitten:

Long term price tag on that one.

BIG TORO
09-10-2012, 03:49 PM
My plan was to get my wife pregnant strategically, so I have a designated driver for the entire season.
Might not be an option for every man... :kitten:

Thats what I did! She dropped my buddy and I off at Reliant yesterday, and picked us up right on time. It was nice!:kingkong:

Yankee_In_TX
09-10-2012, 04:01 PM
My plan was to get my wife pregnant strategically, so I have a designated driver for the entire season.
Might not be an option for every man... :kitten:

One of our tailgater's wife is nearing the end of her third trimester. DD for him!

Double Barrel
09-10-2012, 04:08 PM
My plan was to get my wife pregnant strategically, so I have a designated driver for the entire season.
Might not be an option for every man... :kitten:

That, my friend, is how you do it. And I noticed that the due date is well beyond the end of football season, too. Well done, sir. :tiphat:

It was good to see ya' yesterday!

gtexan02
09-10-2012, 04:13 PM
This is the dumbest quote I think I've ever read lol...no offense lol but what is the nfl gonna do? Put face recognition software cameras at ever entrance? No. Are they gonna post the people's mugshots at every entrance? No. There is no way to ban someone. My dad works security for the texans and he himself told me its impossible. On another note I'll be tagging along with him Sunday morning doing the bomb sweep with the bomb dogs. Should be pretty cool.

Clearly you haven't been a member here very long if the first sentence is true :D

Anyway, I don't think it would be that hard. Here are a few easy ways they could do it:

1. Print a "Do not sell list" Stub hub, ticketmaster, etc wouldn't be allowed to sell to that individual. If you decided to sell your seat by yourself, you'd be responsible for checking to ensure that no one on the list is buying your ticket. Exactly like Yankee said -- you are responsible for the behavior of the person receiving your ticket.

2. Require an ID to enter the stadium for anyone over the age of 18. Cross check DL # with banned list. Problem solved

Texecutioner
09-10-2012, 05:39 PM
Society always punishes the majority for the actions of a minority of individuals.

And you are simply incorrect that it's not a solution. No alcohol for three+ hours when emotions are running high due to the nature of fans at sporting events?

BTW, I'm not necessarily advocating this course of action, but saying it's not a solution is simply incorrect.

My own take is to let adults make their own decisions in life and hold them accountable with the full force of the law when they get stupid with it.

In a sort of related story:



If HPD really wanted to "get tough on drunks", they would have some sobriety tests at the exits of the games.

Are you advocating for checkpoints as a good idea at NFL football games? Not sure if you were or not. That's why I asked to clarify.

That would be an awful slippery slope that would lead to all sorts of sanctions everywhere. Some of us are capable of drinking without getting deranged and aggressive or killing people.

Double Barrel
09-10-2012, 06:03 PM
Are you advocating for checkpoints as a good idea at NFL football games? Not sure if you were or not. That's why I asked to clarify.

That would be an awful slippery slope that would lead to all sorts of sanctions everywhere. Some of us are capable of drinking without getting deranged and aggressive or killing people.

No, not at all. It was more like 'random thoughts' from my head than anything else. If you know my perspective on liberty - i.e. libertarian - I would never advocate such a thing.

I was more commenting on the state saying that they are getting tougher on drunk driving - example would be the recent laws on blood tests for refusal - instead of actually doing something that would truly be more effective.

I think most people can drink responsibly, just like most folks could responsibly smoke pot. But, the state tends to punish everyone for the actions of a handful of imbeciles.

Texecutioner
09-10-2012, 06:38 PM
No, not at all. It was more like 'random thoughts' from my head than anything else. If you know my perspective on liberty - i.e. libertarian - I would never advocate such a thing.

I was more commenting on the state saying that they are getting tougher on drunk driving - example would be the recent laws on blood tests for refusal - instead of actually doing something that would truly be more effective.

I think most people can drink responsibly, just like most folks could responsibly smoke pot. But, the state tends to punish everyone for the actions of a handful of imbeciles.

Oh, okay. I pretty much agree then.

What if they limited people at games to no more then 4 beers?

You could give them a a bracelet that could be marked or something? Just thinking of ideas out loud.

Texecutioner
09-10-2012, 06:39 PM
In other news a woman (Bills fan) at a Jets game got punched in the face yesterday.

http://bustedcoverage.com/2012/09/10/juice-head-jets-fan-punches-woman-in-jets-bills-brawl-video/

(Video to go with it.)

Rey
09-10-2012, 07:35 PM
Guy is suing texans after being hit in the head with a falling piece of sign...

Premier
09-10-2012, 11:14 PM
Guy is suing texans after being hit in the head with a falling piece of sign...

everybody wants a hand out..

Rey
09-10-2012, 11:23 PM
Well the guy is a retired NASA engineer and apparently just wants his medical bills covered.

Premier
09-10-2012, 11:32 PM
Well the guy is a retired NASA engineer and apparently just wants his medical bills covered.

ahh i see, i have a feeling mcnair will be more than willing..

Rey
09-10-2012, 11:41 PM
ahh i see, i have a feeling mcnair will be more than willing..

I don't know what's going on or who is responsible but apparently he has hired lawyers. Maybe he is trying to milk the situation...or maybe McNair is waiting to see who is actually at fault...him, or the company in charge of hanging the signs....

I think McNair might be reluctant to accept blame...that'd be three events within the past month or so where safety at his stadium might be a concern.


Apparently they sign company is saying horseplay was involved, but they aren't giving specifics...

And the guy wasn't horseplaying...he was just sitting there and had his head split open.

To me it seems like everyone is trying to deflect the blame.

SheTexan
09-11-2012, 08:31 AM
I don't think Bob McNair owns Reliant Stadium. Houston Sports Authority maybe?

Just because his team is playing there does not make him responsible for the building, unless he is the owner, which I don't think he is. JMO

Rey
09-11-2012, 09:07 AM
I don't think Bob McNair owns Reliant Stadium. Houston Sports Authority maybe?

Just because his team is playing there does not make him responsible for the building, unless he is the owner, which I don't think he is. JMO

That sounds right...

Last night on the news they kept saying "Reliant Stadium" and not "The Texans"....

gtexan02
09-11-2012, 09:36 AM
In other news a woman (Bills fan) at a Jets game got punched in the face yesterday.

http://bustedcoverage.com/2012/09/10/juice-head-jets-fan-punches-woman-in-jets-bills-brawl-video/

(Video to go with it.)

Wow, that is some sick stuff. There is so much wrong with that video.
-Guy clocks a woman right in the face
-Everyone in Jets jerseys is cheering and chanting against the Bills
-People literally just walk on by and avoid helping
-Security is late to arrive (as usual)

I mean, it looks a lot like the Bills fans are trying to get out there and are being held up by the Jets fans.

I'll say it again -- What happened in Dodgers stadium is going to happen again. Someone is going to get seriously injured or killed while being at a rival stadium, and its only going to happen because some people are incapable of separating that they are not actually part of the team they cheer for. And that its all supposed to be in the name of 'entertainment'

That guy who threw the punch should be immediately ejected and arrested (tried for assault) and banned from NFL, NBA, MLB, etc for life. If you aren't mature enough not to punch a woman in the face because she's wearing a different color shirt than you are, you aren't mature enough to be trusted in public



When my wife and I attended the Redskins away game a few years ago we got heckled a little by opposing fans, but it was all in fun. Except for 1 guy, who was yelling some pretty horrific things at my wife while we were walking to our car. We never exchanged words with the guy-- didn't make eye contact, didn't respond, etc -- but he kept on with his routine. As a Texan fan you are in the minority, and getting into it is never a good idea, but man its hard to hear some of that stuff and keep on walking. I want to go to the Pats game this December, but after watching this I don't even know

GlassHalfFull
09-11-2012, 09:50 AM
When my wife and I attended the Redskins away game a few years ago we got heckled a little by opposing fans, but it was all in fun. Except for 1 guy, who was yelling some pretty horrific things at my wife while we were walking to our car. We never exchanged words with the guy-- didn't make eye contact, didn't respond, etc -- but he kept on with his routine. As a Texan fan you are in the minority, and getting into it is never a good idea, but man its hard to hear some of that stuff and keep on walking. I want to go to the Pats game this December, but after watching this I don't even know

We are planning to go to the Jets Monday night game, this video makes me seriously reconsider it. I am thinking the Monday night crowd is going to be even more high tension.

Cjeremy635
09-11-2012, 10:18 AM
We are planning to go to the Jets Monday night game, this video makes me seriously reconsider it. I am thinking the Monday night crowd is going to be even more high tension.

Yeah, no kidding. Apparently they have no issue hitting women, so that's definitely something to think about. Hopefully it was just a handful of morons and not an accurate representation of the entire fanbase at the stadium.

Either way, take some bear spray with you. Spray that crap in their eyes & they'll leave you alone for the rest of the game. If nothing else, they won't be able to see you to hit you. :shades:

majestrate
09-11-2012, 10:36 AM
This is the dumbest quote I think I've ever read lol...no offense lol but what is the nfl gonna do? Put face recognition software cameras at ever entrance? No. Are they gonna post the people's mugshots at every entrance? No. There is no way to ban someone. My dad works security for the texans and he himself told me its impossible. On another note I'll be tagging along with him Sunday morning doing the bomb sweep with the bomb dogs. Should be pretty cool.
No Fly List. It's not impossible to do. Expensive, yes. Impossible, no.

Fairly unprofessional if they let you near the working dogs at all. It's not a show and tell thing, it's a security thing. People who aren't doing the work, or being trained on how to do the work, shouldn't be hanging around the working dogs.

If you're just going to be in the area but not messing with the dogs, then nevermind.

Clearly you haven't been a member here very long if the first sentence is true :D

Anyway, I don't think it would be that hard. Here are a few easy ways they could do it:

1. Print a "Do not sell list" Stub hub, ticketmaster, etc wouldn't be allowed to sell to that individual. If you decided to sell your seat by yourself, you'd be responsible for checking to ensure that no one on the list is buying your ticket. Exactly like Yankee said -- you are responsible for the behavior of the person receiving your ticket.
Horrible idea. If some moron gets himself banned and wants to waste his money on a ticket, let him. It's his own fault for trying to get into a game when he knew he wouldn't be allowed in.

Texans/Reliant can't hold you responsible for what someone does in your seat. I know what the contract says, I read (some ;D) of it. But what about when you donate your tickets to the Texans charity? If someone starts acting a fool, are they really going to try and void your PSL? I hope it never comes to that, but if the Texans do try to hold a PSL owner responsible for how someone who bought the owner's ticket behaves, I'll try to sell my PSL as quickly as I can and dump the team.

HTown2ATX
09-11-2012, 10:41 AM
When my wife and I attended the Redskins away game a few years ago we got heckled a little by opposing fans, but it was all in fun. Except for 1 guy, who was yelling some pretty horrific things at my wife while we were walking to our car. We never exchanged words with the guy-- didn't make eye contact, didn't respond, etc -- but he kept on with his routine. As a Texan fan you are in the minority, and getting into it is never a good idea, but man its hard to hear some of that stuff and keep on walking. I want to go to the Pats game this December, but after watching this I don't even know

I was at the Steelers - Texans game in Reliant years ago (the infamous hot as hell open roof game that caused the roof rule) where the Steelers pummeled the Texans and on my way out of the stadium a trio of drunk Steelers fans were hovering around me and my pregnant wife shouting at us trying to start a fight. I was very worried as my wife was getting nervous these guys were really not letting up. I very much wanted to get my wife to safety as quickly as possible. Very bad scene.

ON the other side of the pendulum, I very nearly started a fight in the stands during a Titans - Texans games at Reliant during VY's either 1st or second year in the league....forget which. Some Titans fans in the seats not far from me were very loud and literally shouting in people faces including this older couple walking up the stairs. All of us were pissed at them but no one said anything. I stood up on my seat and did the horns down sign that anti UT fans do and may have shot some birds too...can't remember. There were a bunch of Texans fans between me and them that clapped and supported me which diffused the situation when homeboy acted like he wanted to make a move. Like I said, a lot of people were tired of their act so I triggered a bunch of people getting them to shut the hell up lol.

disaacks3
09-11-2012, 10:42 AM
I have thought this every time I see a fight. If the seat owner is involved in the fight, kick them out for the season.

If the seat owner sold the tickets give them one and only one warning. If it happens again, revoke their tickets. Yep, kinda strange when the governing entity (NFL Properties) encourages reselling your tickets through NFL Ticket Exchange.

Actually, it is in your PSL/season ticket holder agreement. You are responsible for how people in your seat act.

In fact, I think selling your tickets for profit also violates the agreement, yet the NFL has TicketExchange. Go figure. I don't see that (sell-for-profit) anywhere in the PSL agreement. The closest thing is in 7d Licensee is acquiring this PSL for Licensee's own use and not with a view to the distribution of this PSL or tickets to others; and

Thats what I did! She dropped my buddy and I off at Reliant yesterday, and picked us up right on time. It was nice!:kingkong: Danny, you're playing with fire buddy!

I don't know what's going on or who is responsible but apparently he has hired lawyers. I think McNair might be reluctant to accept blame...that'd be three events within the past month or so where safety at his stadium might be a concern.

Apparently they sign company is saying horseplay was involved, but they aren't giving specifics...

To me it seems like everyone is trying to deflect the blame. There are conflicting responsibilities / liability depending on the event and/or the service(s) involved. Blame can be shared by multiple entities (think deepwater horizon) People like to sue those with the deepest pockets.

Rey
09-11-2012, 10:43 AM
I'm a pretty quiet person overall and for the most part I'm a quiet person at games. I stand and cheer and stuff like that, but I'm not this big talkative person who talks to everyone around me and yells at opposing fans.

I cannot imagine being in that situation minding my own business and someone puts their hands on me or my wife because we are rooting for the opposing team. That wouldn't be fun.

NitroGSXR
09-11-2012, 10:56 AM
I am a VERY LOUD person but I am in no way obnoxious. I do not spew degradatory things nor do I ever address opposing fans in a negative manner. I'm a WHOOO HOOO GO TEXANS screamer. I love seeing opposing fans and I will high five them if their team makes a great play.I'm a Houston Texans fan but I love the sport of football and appreciate great play.

Yankee_In_TX
09-11-2012, 12:51 PM
I don't see that (sell-for-profit) anywhere in the PSL agreement. The closest thing is in 7d

Maybe it was in the old agreement before the started partnering with and then owning a scalping service.

I remember something because around 2-14 people came on here and complained that their 'investment' was doing poorly and the response was always the language that says something about not selling them for profit.

disaacks3
09-11-2012, 12:57 PM
Maybe it was in the old agreement before the started partnering with and then owning a scalping service.

I remember something because around 2-14 people came on here and complained that their 'investment' was doing poorly and the response was always the language that says something about not selling them for profit. The language about selling the PSL 'for profit' was stated in there (though not listed as illegal per se), but I never really saw anything about selling individual game tickets.

Heck, the Texans own PSL marketplace has them all well over "list" as it were.

You're right though, they aren't doing themselves any favors by running their own "above retail" sales space.

Double Barrel
09-11-2012, 04:27 PM
Oh, okay. I pretty much agree then.

What if they limited people at games to no more then 4 beers?

You could give them a a bracelet that could be marked or something? Just thinking of ideas out loud.

I think the only pragmatic way to deal with it without punishing all the responsible drinkers is to raise the beer prices and hire more HPD for security. People tend to settle down pretty quickly when a uniformed cop arrives at the scene. Those dudes don't mess around.

Speedy
09-11-2012, 07:22 PM
Yeah, no kidding. Apparently they have no issue hitting women, so that's definitely something to think about. Hopefully it was just a handful of morons and not an accurate representation of the entire fanbase at the stadium.

Either way, take some bear spray with you. Spray that crap in their eyes & they'll leave you alone for the rest of the game. If nothing else, they won't be able to see you to hit you. :shades:

And that's just it. It is morons and they're everywhere, even right here in Houston, TX. You're a low life dicktard to start fights like that over sports teams.

I am fortunate that I have yet to run across these dicktards in person in the 104 games I've attended at Reliant and we give the business to plenty of opposing teams fans. But it's always in good fun and sometimes actually quite humorous.

I think it's safe to say that something like this would get stopped by the fans in our section. Most of the people there are always there and are not the dicktards mentioned above. As I've siad, we give the business to opposing teams fans, and in the parking lots too. But it's never serious, it's never ugly or hateful - just all in good fun.

I have never attended a road game, but I will some day, and I'm going to have to try and be a little more cautious, even in the playful banter back and forth, because I know some people just can't take a freaking joke. Most people will be gracious hosts and act like the civil human beings most of us are, but the dicktards are there, ready to douse you with beer, chunk batteries at you and punch your women. Beware the dicktards.

Texecutioner
09-11-2012, 07:50 PM
I've been to a game where some friends of mine brought this one guy who turned into a completely different person when he got drunk. He started throwing ice at these Dolphin fans one time, and really embarrassed us. It was like Jekell and Hyde all of a sudden. I kept telling him to stop and he would for a while, and then he'd do something really really stupid. At one point he shoved some older fella on the ramp for no reason other then the fact that he had on a Dolphins jersey. Luckily the guy did nothing back, but at that point I grabbed the guy with us and sort of shoved him into the wall and really bitched him out. I was sick of getting embarrassed by this clown. He finally calmed down after that.

I've never understood the mentality to want to get into a fight with other fans and heckle them to a point where they have to fear for their safety. That is not what going to a game is all about. It is supposed to be a friendly place where people can enjoy themselves and watch great athletes perform. Nothing wrong with some friendly heckling, but it is definitely getting to a point where it isn't that safe for fans to go to other team's stadiums. I don't know what the hell I would do if a ton of fans started throwing beer and food at me. I have a bad temper with stuff like that, and with tons and tons of fans threatening me physically and shouting in my face, I'd probably want to stab somebody. I'm not saying that I'd do it, but some of the situations that I've seen have been extremely dangerous for people and I won't take any chances if I feel like I might get jumped by like 15 fans who want to crush some fan from another team.