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eriadoc
08-25-2012, 10:11 PM
I never thought Butler was an adequate replacement for Winston, and nothing he's done has swayed that opinion. For all the times I complained about Winston getting eaten by a speed rusher, I knew he was better than Butler. And Antoine Caldwell has disappointed from the beginning. It took me a while to recognize, but he's never going to develop into a solid starting OL.

I think Schaub can make them look decent in the passing game, because he generally gets the ball out pretty quick these days, but the cut back lanes for Foster are going to be iffy.

NastyNate
08-25-2012, 10:16 PM
I never thought Butler was an adequate replacement for Winston, and nothing he's done has swayed that opinion. For all the times I complained about Winston getting eaten by a speed rusher, I knew he was better than Butler. And Antoine Caldwell has disappointed from the beginning. It took me a while to recognize, but he's never going to develop into a solid starting OL.

I think Schaub can make them look decent in the passing game, because he generally gets the ball out pretty quick these days, but the cut back lanes for Foster are going to be iffy.

Our run game will suffer this year.

eriadoc
08-25-2012, 10:19 PM
I said this last year, but Tate actually does better in a few select situations, because he tends to keep the run playside, whereas Foster is always looking to cut it back. This is one of those situations. Tate will just follow the blocking and hit the hole hard.

Before anyone has reading comprehension issues, I am NOT saying Tate is better than Foster or should start.

Cjeremy635
08-25-2012, 10:20 PM
I said that the O-line concerned me after the first preseason game and I feel worse about it now. That right side better get their $hit together quick.

rolyat93
08-25-2012, 10:22 PM
The 2nd team O Line looked like dog **** out there, TJ got eaten up.

eriadoc
08-25-2012, 10:23 PM
The 2nd team O Line looked like dog **** out there, TJ got eaten up.

Right. Which means the backups that are playing as starters have no real backups. Linemen never get hurt though, right? /crosses fingers

JimBaker488
08-25-2012, 10:29 PM
I said this last year, but Tate actually does better in a few select situations, because he tends to keep the run playside, whereas Foster is always looking to cut it back. This is one of those situations. Tate will just follow the blocking and hit the hole hard.

Before anyone has reading comprehension issues, I am NOT saying Tate is better than Foster or should start.
Tate may be a better runner - more explosive, quicker, better long-speed. He's
just not the pass receiver that Foster is.

CloakNNNdagger
08-25-2012, 10:34 PM
The 2nd team Oline was a "virtual Oline".........invisible to the D. But beyond that. Yates seemed to cease to demonstrate any awareness to his surroundings when things broke down.

eriadoc
08-25-2012, 10:34 PM
Tate may be a better runner - more explosive, quicker, better long-speed. He's
just not the pass receiver that Foster is.

Oh, I don't think he's a better runner. Foster's lateral acceleration is just out of this world sick. Pair that with his incredible vision and shifty way of shedding tackles, and you have the best back in the league. Unfortunately, I think he'd be better off with a man blocking scheme with this caliber of OL. When the ZBS is working, lots of average RBs can do well, and guys like Foster can be All-World. But when Caldwell, Butler, Wade Smith, Derek Newton, and whoever else is missing their assignments and the line as a whole is not passing off to each other and working well as a unit, the cut back lanes are screwed.

I'd just like to see Foster stay playside more often, I think - which he did on the TD run.

NastyNate
08-25-2012, 10:54 PM
The 2nd team Oline was a "virtual Oline".........invisible to the D. But beyond that. Yates seemed to cease to demonstrate any awareness to his surroundings when things broke down.

I've said this on multiple occasions, I like TJ, but he's hit his ceiling. He isn't the future of this organization, not even close.

Corrosion
08-25-2012, 11:03 PM
I think Butler just got demoted .... and Newton stole his spot.

Butler looked horrible all night , even when going against the second teamers.

Gardner got abused by the second teamers too , Yates was under pressure almost every play.


Brandon Brooks didnt have a penalty tonight ..... :kitten:

utahmark
08-26-2012, 12:09 AM
Would'nt mind seeing an O-lineman picked in the first or second round next year.

wolf123
08-26-2012, 12:13 AM
I think Butler just got demoted .... and Newton stole his spot.

Butler looked horrible all night , even when going against the second teamers.

Gardner got abused by the second teamers too , Yates was under pressure almost every play.


Brandon Brooks didnt have a penalty tonight ..... :kitten:

This +1

Butler has been a big let down to me and Newton will start. Gardner is not any good at all.

76Texan
08-26-2012, 01:40 AM
I can't wait until this line gels.

I mean, it's hard to complain when they put up 240 yards and 24 points in a half.

Allstar
08-26-2012, 02:07 AM
We should all hope Newton wins the job. He's dirt cheap and tied up for a few years. If Butler wins the spot, we have to worry about paying him again.

Wolf6151
08-26-2012, 02:19 AM
We should all hope Newton wins the job. He's dirt cheap and tied up for a few years. If Butler wins the spot, we have to worry about paying him again.

Here's how I see it playing out. I think Butler wins the starting RT position but Newton is hot on his heals. I think Newton gets some playing time throughout the season and may even take the spot from Butler mid-season sometime. I think it's a pretty safe bet that Butler is gone at the end of this season and that Newton starts next year and that we draft an OT to be his backup in the 3rd or 4th round next year. If Butler wins the spot this year, it does not mean that we have to pay him again next year. He's a text book salary cap cut at the end of the season.

I really had high hopes for Butler this year and thought he'd be great at RT because he was finally getting his chance to start after being in the NFL for so long and due to it being a contract year for him, he's auditioning for every team in the league this year. I'm very disappointed in Butler at this point.

Thorn
08-26-2012, 06:15 AM
Would'nt mind seeing an O-lineman picked in the first or second round next year.

Yep. Last night sure brought this out for all to see the need.

The Medic01
08-26-2012, 06:59 AM
Let's wait and see until after 2 or 3 regular season games before we write off the right side.

MojoMan
08-26-2012, 07:10 AM
I think Butler just got demoted .... and Newton stole his spot.

Butler looked horrible all night , even when going against the second teamers.

Gardner got abused by the second teamers too , Yates was under pressure almost every play.


Brandon Brooks didnt have a penalty tonight ..... :kitten:

Newton actually started tonight, and the announcers indicated at the beginning of the game that Kubiak had said Newton was currently leading the contest at RT. It appears that Butler did nothing in this game to change the coaches minds about that.

nytexan
08-26-2012, 07:40 AM
Butler looked horrible all night , even when going against the second teamers.

Gardner got abused by the second teamers too , Yates was under pressure almost every play.


To be fair the Saints were blitzing in the 2nd half and Yates didn't do a very good job of recognizing the packages and the RB's made some HORRIBLE decisions also. Sacks are not necessarily the fault of the OL solely.

I'm more concerned with the run defense than the run offense.

gtexan02
08-26-2012, 07:47 AM
I just don't understand why we just outright cut Winston...

IDEXAN
08-26-2012, 08:14 AM
I just don't understand why we just outright cut Winston...
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

IDEXAN
08-26-2012, 08:17 AM
Newton actually started tonight, and the announcers indicated at the beginning of the game that Kubiak had said Newton was currently leading the contest at RT. It appears that Butler did nothing in this game to change the coaches minds about that.
And on top of all of that, it seemed that Butler was playing more late in the game with the rest of the scrubs while Newt was resting up more on the sidelines, being saved for a more important engagement later on - Sept 9 in Reliant. At the start of TC they said the job was Butlers to lose, and apparently that's just what's happened.

SouthSideTexan
08-26-2012, 08:48 AM
If Butler wins the starting job, it might be a short season for Schaub. Every time I see Schaub go to the ground, my heart stops.

hookinreds
08-26-2012, 08:51 AM
Butler was getting beat last night, and it suprised me so much at how bad that I was suprised to see his number on the jersey. Newton did a better job, and I think the smart thing is to play him, let him get the reps, and gel with the line in the same way the Brown did. He's going to look bad on some plays, but the potential is there to do well, given time.

IDEXAN
08-26-2012, 09:24 AM
Miami's strongside DE Cameron Wake gave Winston fits last year and I think he got 2 sacks against him ? So anyway he might start drooling when he gets his first look-see at the Texans' RT play in this preseason.

Kaiser Toro
08-26-2012, 09:27 AM
This +1

Butler has been a big let down to me and Newton will start. Gardner is not any good at all.

What did Gardner not do that warrants your evaluation?

wolf123
08-26-2012, 09:31 AM
What did Gardner not do that warrants your evaluation?

I've watched his play in all the preseason games and in practice. He doesn't move well and lacks strength in his hands. Gets beat all the time around the edge..

EllisUnit
08-26-2012, 09:57 AM
The 2nd team Oline was a "virtual Oline".........invisible to the D. But beyond that. Yates seemed to cease to demonstrate any awareness to his surroundings when things broke down.

Still used to playing behind that brick wall from last season.

Texas T
08-26-2012, 10:03 AM
To be fair the Saints were blitzing in the 2nd half and Yates didn't do a very good job of recognizing the packages and the RB's made some HORRIBLE decisions also. Sacks are not necessarily the fault of the OL solely.

I'm more concerned with the run defense than the run offense.

I'm the opposite. I'm not concerned with Run Defense-No Watt, No Cushing and No Cody. Once they get back or two of the three we'll be fine in Run Defense.

I'm very worried about the O-Line. I hope after a couple of "real" games they'll gel together and figure out how to make it work.

Honoring Earl 34
08-26-2012, 10:10 AM
I would go with Newton and try Brooks at RT . Butler ... IDK ... he seems to reach a buch . Newton and Brooks seem to be much stronger than Butler .

texanhead08
08-26-2012, 10:36 AM
In spite of the oline issues we moved the ball and scored 24pts in a half. That was inspite of the fumbles by the young guys. If they clean that up and I know no team is perfect and those things happen, but we will be fine in the passing game. I am hoping the run blocking gets better as the oline jells as a unit.

Run defense will be fine once Cush, Watt, and hopefully Cody get back in there.

We have to also remember Wade was keeping things very vanilla so our opponents don't see anything we didn't want them to see.

Kaiser Toro
08-26-2012, 10:38 AM
I've watched his play in all the preseason games and in practice. He doesn't move well and lacks strength in his hands. Gets beat all the time around the edge..

I did not see any practices and have missed the last four minutes of each 4th quarter, but I have not seen many mistakes and believe he moves very well. I would like to see him at RT on Thursday in order to solidify his spot as the swing tackle.

texanhead08
08-26-2012, 10:53 AM
I just don't understand why we just outright cut Winston...

Winston wasn't playing up the money he was being paid.

gary
08-26-2012, 10:53 AM
The OL takes longer to gel than just one year but we'll see.

76Texan
08-26-2012, 11:23 AM
In spite of the oline issues we moved the ball and scored 24pts in a half. That was inspite of the fumbles by the young guys. If they clean that up and I know no team is perfect and those things happen, but we will be fine in the passing game. I am hoping the run blocking gets better as the oline jells as a unit.

Run defense will be fine once Cush, Watt, and hopefully Cody get back in there.

We have to also remember Wade was keeping things very vanilla so our opponents don't see anything we didn't want them to see.

I honestly don't see an issue with the first group (whether with Newton or Butler was in there).

We shred the Saints for 240 yards in a half for God sake.

Outside of that sack he gave up, Butler was fine.
We actually had more subpar run plays to the left than to the right, and on the one to the right, it wasn't even Butler's fault.

In the second half, both Newton and Butler also did fine.

Of the sacks that we gave up:
- 2 were due to the call protection where nobody pick up the blitzer.
- One each was dut to Shelley Smith and Gardner.
- And one with the D-lineman responsible for by B. Jones.
He pull a stunt all the way around the edge. That's a long time. Yates needed to get that ball out sooner.

bhsman
08-26-2012, 11:30 AM
Was it me or did they not run any boots with Yates in? Seems like that would have allowed him to make more throws.

Kaiser Toro
08-26-2012, 11:35 AM
I honestly don't see an issue with the first group (whether with Newton or Butler was in there).

We shred the Saints for 240 yards in a half for God sake.

Outside of that sack he gave up, Butler was fine.
We actually had more subpar run plays to the left than to the right, and on the one to the right, it wasn't even Butler's fault.

In the second half, both Newton and Butler also did fine.

Of the sacks that we gave up:
- 2 were due to the call protection where nobody pick up the blitzer.
- One each was dut to Shelley Smith and Gardner.
- And one with the D-lineman responsible for by B. Jones.
He pull a stunt all the way around the edge. That's a long time. Yates needed to get that ball out sooner.

The one sack was on Smith. The one folks are putting on Gardner, should look at the play again.

76Texan
08-26-2012, 12:11 PM
The one sack was on Smith. The one folks are putting on Gardner, should look at the play again.

I'm not sure I followed you KT.

The one Gardner gave up, the defender #90 put on an edge rush and straight out beat him on the outside.

Yates fumbled the ball when the defender pulled on his arm.
Smith came back to recover the ball.

This was on 2nd and 10 with 3:34 to go.

Corrosion
08-26-2012, 12:38 PM
I did not see any practices and have missed the last four minutes of each 4th quarter, but I have not seen many mistakes and believe he moves very well. I would like to see him at RT on Thursday in order to solidify his spot as the swing tackle.

That was the worst 4 minutes of football for the Texans offense .... both Butlet and Gardner allowed blow by's ... it reminded me of that comercial with HHWNBM lining up with no OL at all.

I was ready to cut the whole lot of them.


I thought Newton played pretty solid thruout the game. I wasnt very high on him coming into the season but he looks to be the better option.

Butler doesnt look like the same guy who filled in for Brown during his suspension.

Honoring Earl 34
08-26-2012, 12:41 PM
That was the worst 4 minutes of football for the Texans offense .... both Butlet and Gardner allowed blow by's ... it reminded me of that comercial with HHWNBM lining up with no OL at all.

I was ready to cut the whole lot of them.


I thought Newton played pretty solid thruout the game. I wasnt very high on him coming into the season but he looks to be the better option.

Butler doesnt look like the same guy who filled in for Brown during his suspension.

Isn't LT more of a finesse position and RT more physical . I think that's the issue .

Kaiser Toro
08-26-2012, 12:57 PM
I'm not sure I followed you KT.

The one Gardner gave up, the defender #90 put on an edge rush and straight out beat him on the outside.

Yates fumbled the ball when the defender pulled on his arm.
Smith came back to recover the ball.

This was on 2nd and 10 with 3:34 to go.

Makes sense, did not see the final four minutes. Thanks y'all, I am on the same page.

76Texan
08-26-2012, 01:10 PM
Houston Texans at 3:38

1-10-HST 20 (3:38) (Shotgun) T.Yates pass incomplete short right to L.Brock (K.Anderson).

Both OTs did enough for Yates to get off the pass.
Yates was a hair late and behind the TE.
If he led the receiver, that would have been a catch

2-10-HST 20 (3:34) (Shotgun) T.Yates sacked at HST 11 for -9 yards (T.McBride). FUMBLES (T.McBride), recovered by HST-S.Smith at HST 11. S.Smith to HST 11 for no gain (M.Wilson).

This is where Gardner whiffed.

3-19-HST 11 (2:55) (Shotgun) T.Yates sacked at HST 9 for -2 yards (T.Walker).
This is where the 43 DT stunted around the edge.
Yates should have stepped up the pocket.
Both OTs were fine.
4-21-HST 9 (2:23) D.Jones punts 37 yards to HST 46, Center-J.Weeks. G.Camarillo ran ob at HST 38 for 8 yards (E.Pleasant).
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Houston Texans at 1:55

1-10-HST 43 (1:55) (Shotgun) T.Yates pass short middle to J.Grimes to HST 49 for 6 yards (A.Daniels) [E.Mack]. Pass 2, YAC 4
Quick pass, nobody picked up the blitzer who put a hit on Yates just after he released the ball.
Both OTs did fine.

2-4-HST 49 (1:32) (Shotgun) T.Yates pass short middle to J.Grimes to NO 39 for 12 yards (B.Broughton). Pass 3, YAC 9 P20
Quick pass, no problem here.

1-10-NO 39 (1:12) (Shotgun) T.Yates pass incomplete short left to J.Grimes.
Both OTs were a bit weak, but they gave Yates just enough time (Garder needed help from Smith)..
Yates was a little late on the pass.

2-10-NO 39 (1:09) (Shotgun) T.Yates pass incomplete short left to J.Iglesias (N.Hixson).
No problem on protection here.
There was nobody open.

3-10-NO 39 (1:00) (Shotgun) T.Yates pass short left to J.Iglesias to NO 31 for 8 yards (C.Parks). Pass 5, YAC 3
No problem on protection here.

4-2-NO 31 (:37) (Shotgun) T.Yates pass incomplete short left to B.Johnson (E.Mack).
No problem on protection here.

TexansBull
08-26-2012, 03:19 PM
Ben Jones looked good at center filling in for Myers. Can you try him out RT or is that too much of a stretch?

wolf123
08-26-2012, 04:44 PM
Ben Jones looked good at center filling in for Myers. Can you try him out RT or is that too much of a stretch?

Too much of a stretch...:spin:

Honoring Earl 34
08-26-2012, 04:52 PM
Too much of a stretch...:spin:

Unless you can stretch him .

wolf123
08-26-2012, 04:54 PM
Unless you can stretch him .

I've tried pulling on certain parts to see if they will stretch... Experiment at your own risk!:spin:

Honoring Earl 34
08-26-2012, 04:57 PM
I've tried pulling on certain parts to see if they will stretch... Experiment at your own risk!:spin:

Wait ... what .... Thorn says to try less shampoo .

TexanCR
08-26-2012, 07:12 PM
I think a RT should be our number 1 pick next year but an ILB should not be very far away...the position just look awful too...a first round rookie along with Cushing should fix that.

Hopefully by then Newton got his dookies together.

eriadoc
08-26-2012, 08:01 PM
I think a RT should be our number 1 pick next year ...

I'm not on board with a 1st round pick, but if you're going to spend a pick and develop from the draft, you have to come up with a better retention plan than just cut and pray. The Texans knew what Winston's contract was, but they didn't draft a replacement and they just cut him. Biggest mistake of the offseason, IMO. If you're going to build through the draft, you have to keep the guys you hit with or plan for their replacement.

Sorry, Butler was not a sound plan.

TexanCR
08-26-2012, 08:10 PM
I'm not on board with a 1st round pick, but if you're going to spend a pick and develop from the draft, you have to come up with a better retention plan than just cut and pray. The Texans knew what Winston's contract was, but they didn't draft a replacement and they just cut him. Biggest mistake of the offseason, IMO. If you're going to build through the draft, you have to keep the guys you hit with or plan for their replacement.

Sorry, Butler was not a sound plan.

I honestly do not understand this move either...as far as I know we are under the cap and we could have cover Winston contract under it, not to mention that we could had something for him (anything, even a 6th rounder although everybody says that he is worth at least a 4th rounder) if the FO really do not wanted him on the team.

Can somebody explain the move for me please?

eriadoc
08-26-2012, 08:15 PM
Can somebody explain the move for me please?

Well, the answer is money, but as I pointed out above, they knew what the contract was long enough in advance to plan for it. Also, as Dutchrudder pointed out earlier int he year, the Chiefs could have actually saved some cap room if they would have traded for him from the Texans. Add to that the fact that Walter was offered the opportunity to take a pay cut, but when asked about that option with regard to Winston, the FO said something to the effect of they didn't want to disrespect Winston. So the root of it is most likely money, but there's a lot more to it, IMO.

TexanCR
08-26-2012, 08:19 PM
Well, the answer is money, but as I pointed out above, they knew what the contract was long enough in advance to plan for it. Also, as Dutchrudder pointed out earlier int he year, the Chiefs could have actually saved some cap room if they would have traded for him from the Texans. Add to that the fact that Walter was offered the opportunity to take a pay cut, but when asked about that option with regard to Winston, the FO said something to the effect of they didn't want to disrespect Winston. So the root of it is most likely money, but there's a lot more to it, IMO.

So they have no problem disrespecting Walter? lol

Anyway, lack of planning from the FO or maybe they though Buttler was better than he really is. Either way they really hurt this team with the move. Our running game is the bread and butter of our offense.

eriadoc
08-26-2012, 08:22 PM
So they have no problem disrespecting Walter?

That's what I got out of it, heh.

Anyway, lack of planning from the FO or maybe they though Buttler was better than he really is. Either way they really hurt this team with the move. Our running game is the bread and butter of our offense.

As I said repeatedly, if Butler was better than Winston, you'd either have him playing ahead of Winston or you'd have to question how good your coach is. You could argue that they thought they could develop him into a better tackle than Winston, but I honestly never saw anything that made me think that would be the case. But hey, I am just a fan.

disaacks3
08-26-2012, 08:24 PM
I said that the O-line concerned me after the first preseason game and I feel worse about it now. That right side better get their $hit together quick. Yep, Schaub & company made it look ok, but it really wasn't.

The 2nd team O Line looked like dog **** out there, TJ got eaten up. It wasn't pretty. Unless "pretty scary" counts.

The 2nd team Oline was a "virtual Oline".........invisible to the D. But beyond that. Yates seemed to cease to demonstrate any awareness to his surroundings when things broke down. Yep, it (sadly) reminded me of Carr out there. I'm a huge TJ fan, but that was UGLY.

Corrosion
08-26-2012, 09:58 PM
To be fair the Saints were blitzing in the 2nd half and Yates didn't do a very good job of recognizing the packages and the RB's made some HORRIBLE decisions also. Sacks are not necessarily the fault of the OL solely.

I'm more concerned with the run defense than the run offense.


The blitz pickups didnt have a thing to do with both Gardner and Butler getting beaten one on one. They just got beat plain and simple.

Yeah , the RB missed a blitz pickup one one of the sacks , was caught looking inside when the blitz came between the guard and tackle on the right side. Yates had no chance on that play.

On the play Yates was stripped , Gardner was flat out beaten then allowed the DE back playside on him for the strip.


I almost wonder if Butler is injured , he looks nothing like the guy who filled in for Brown during his suspension or as 34 noted earlier in this thread , maybe its the switch to the right side.

I said that the O-line concerned me after the first preseason game and I feel worse about it now. That right side better get their $hit together quick.


They were much better with Newton than Butler .... I thought he played pretty well overall.

drs23
08-26-2012, 10:03 PM
The blitz pickups didnt have a thing to do with both Gardner and Butler getting beaten one on one. They just got beat plain and simple.

Yeah , the RB missed a blitz pickup one one of the sacks , was caught looking inside when the blitz came between the guard and tackle on the right side. Yates had no chance on that play.

On the play Yates was stripped , Gardner was flat out beaten then allowed the DE back playside on him for the strip.


I almost wonder if Butler is injured , he looks nothing like the guy who filled in for Brown during his suspension or as 34 noted earlier in this thread , maybe its the switch to the right side.




They were much better with Newton than Butler .... I thought he played pretty well overall.

No doubt. I think that's the way Kubiak is thinking as well. He all but named Newton as the starter today in his presser I thought.

The Pencil Neck
08-26-2012, 10:07 PM
I'm not on board with a 1st round pick, but if you're going to spend a pick and develop from the draft, you have to come up with a better retention plan than just cut and pray. The Texans knew what Winston's contract was, but they didn't draft a replacement and they just cut him. Biggest mistake of the offseason, IMO. If you're going to build through the draft, you have to keep the guys you hit with or plan for their replacement.

Sorry, Butler was not a sound plan.

I've said this before. I don't think Butler was ever really intended to take Winston's place. He was given the opportunity because he's the vet swing tackle with the seniority.

But the reason Winston was seen as expendable was because of Newton.

In other words, they DID draft Winston's replacement. But they did it last year and didn't expect the guy to come in as a rookie and take over. They planned this out and so far, it seems to have worked out.

Butler goes back to the swing tackle.

The Pencil Neck
08-26-2012, 10:09 PM
So they have no problem disrespecting Walter? lol

Anyway, lack of planning from the FO or maybe they though Buttler was better than he really is. Either way they really hurt this team with the move. Our running game is the bread and butter of our offense.

No. None of the above.

Our FO drafted Winston's replacement last year: Derek Newton. They gave Butler the chance to win the spot but they expected Newton to fill that position.

GP
08-26-2012, 10:17 PM
The one thing Newton isn't really doing as well as Winston did is the out-in-space road grading block.

Screen play, RB pass routes out into the flats, the stuff where the line pulls way out and finds targets to raze. Newton is struggling to find the guy and then engage and level him.

I like Newton's ability to stay home and swallow up the lineman at the LOS, but he's gotta learn how to motor out into space and just find a body to latch onto and drill the guy into the turf. Winston was good at that.

dream_team
08-26-2012, 11:23 PM
I honestly do not understand this move either...as far as I know we are under the cap and we could have cover Winston contract under it, not to mention that we could had something for him (anything, even a 6th rounder although everybody says that he is worth at least a 4th rounder) if the FO really do not wanted him on the team.

Can somebody explain the move for me please?

Rashad Butler simply isn't the player we all thought he was. When Butler stepped in for DB (during his suspension), he looked really good. The guy looked like he could be a solid starter in this league. This wasn't just the coaches, but you can do a search on these forums, most of us fans thought highly of Butler as well. I don't know what happened, but Butler just doesn't seem like the same guy.

On the other hand, I'm a believer in Newton. I think he's starting sooner than the coaches were probably planning, but he's currently beating Butler.

I don't think we'll lose much in pass pro, but I just moved Arian Foster down as my #3 fantasy football RB (behind McCoy & Rice). The runs to the right just don't look the same anymore.

Runner
08-27-2012, 10:28 AM
As I said repeatedly, if Butler was better than Winston, you'd either have him playing ahead of Winston or you'd have to question how good your coach is. You could argue that they thought they could develop him into a better tackle than Winston, but I honestly never saw anything that made me think that would be the case. But hey, I am just a fan.

I expected the line to be weaker because the cuts were made for salary cap reasons rather than talent/performance reasons. I suspect the "backups were better than the starters last season" arguments were mostly rationalizations to avoid admitting the Texans might take a step back in some areas where starters were lost. Similarly the "next man up" jingo was often presented as an appropriate mitigation strategy.

That being said, the o-line doesn't have to be outstanding. It has to be just good enough to allow the so called "skill position" players to do their things. At this point, the o-line needs to be adequate and the whole offense needs to avoid injury. The latter is easier said than done, of course.

BigBull17
08-27-2012, 11:03 AM
I just don't understand why we just outright cut Winston...

He didnt look all that good either. He was a huge liability in pass protection. Im ok with the Winston cut but I think we should have nabbed a RT in the draft.

Playoffs
08-30-2012, 09:12 AM
Texans could face more OL changes in 2013
http://www.profootballweekly.com/2012/08/26/texans-could-face-more-ol-changes-in-2013

The rebuilding of the right side of the Texansí offensive line has received plenty of attention this offseason. However, the likelihood that the Texans could make changes on the right side in 2013 has flown largely under the radar.

This offseason, Houston demonstrated how highly it values C Chris Myers, cutting ORT Eric Winston in part to free up the cap space to extend Myers, and OLT Duane Brown, who received an extension before OLB Connor Barwin and QB Matt Schaub. With the two core pieces of the line in place for the next several seasons, donít be surprised if veteran ORT Rashad Butler and ORG Antoine Caldwell, both competing for starting jobs in 2012, are allowed to walk when their contracts expire after the season. Houston has younger reinforcements, OG Brandon Brooks and OT Derek Newton, waiting in the wings, and if their time to start isnít now, it likely will be in 2013.

Of course, this is a byproduct of Houston's strong team building through the draft under GM Rick Smith and head coach Gary Kubiak. The club is as deep as itís ever been..

As for Butler and Caldwell, their contract years couldnít come at a better time, as they will have a chance to parlay strong showings into big dollars on the open market, similarly to ORG Mike Brisiel, who received a five-year, $20 million deal with the Raiders after a career year in '11.