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417Texan
08-21-2012, 12:59 AM
Man love format of this board...............

So how many of you folks think Matt Scahub gets go love? I think guy is underratted Qb. Sure he might be no Rodgers but he is top 10 guy.

aussie_texan
08-21-2012, 03:45 AM
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417Texan
08-21-2012, 08:48 AM
Man love format of this board...............

So how many of you folks think Matt Scahub gets no love? I think guy is underratted Qb. Sure he might be no Rodgers but he is top 10 guy.




an love format of this board...............

So how many of you folks think Matt Scahub gets no love? I think guy is underratted Qb. Sure he might be no Rodgers but he is top 10 guy.

:smiliedance: fixed it lol

Trail.Blazr
08-21-2012, 11:02 AM
Welcome to TT.

Underrated?

#8 has a place in the hearts of many Texan Fans, simply because he's smarter at the position than any prior Texan QB.

However, a some-what accurate QB, with limited mobility and arm strength, who has had issues staying on the field(not entirely on him, but still, is what it is) may be justifiably deemed underrated. IMHO, what MAtt lacks in physical attributes on the field, he compensates with preparation. He's a student of the game, for sure. I'm not sure about top 10. Maybe.. by stats alone.

If I could pick an active QB in the NFL, and reset them to their rookie year and build a team around them, Matt is not in the top 10 of choices... EVER.

So, to turn the question back to you... What has Matt got/done that makes him so Underrated?

badboy
08-21-2012, 11:15 AM
While Matt is perfect Qb for our system, in my perfect world, I hope Yates can replace Matt in 2013. Schaub will be 32 and probably wanting a hefty raise. I think most understand what we have in Matt both negatives and positives. The position is just so hard to fill like LT, when you get a good player you tend to want to keep him.

Welcome to the board. ALso want to invite you to stop in to the forum on NFL mock drafts. Lots of info flows thru there.

Hervoyel
08-21-2012, 01:22 PM
One thing that I think will come into play is that there is always someone in the NFL willing to pay a QB who they think has "gotten it done". Now we can argue all day over whether Matt has in fact gotten it done and over what that means but as long as someone out there thinks that Schaub can get them over the hump, mentor their rookie, or run their system better than whoever they have at the moment there will be a market for Matt's services. I've lost count of how many chances some QB's have been given and even Chris Chandler, the friggin benchmark for fragile QB's managed to play 16 years for 8 different teams because there was always someone who could use a QB.

Matt is fragile (by some people's definition) but he's also very effective (by some people's definition). People are going to look at him and say "With the Texans he was always under pressure, always getting hit. If we can keep him clean...." Someone will want to take Matt off our hands if we're inclined to let him go. There's enough doubt still there for a team to decide that he's not fragile and pay him.

Which brings us to the Houston Texans. Matt isn't going anywhere until someone already on our team has proven that they can take the job from him. The Texans held on to David Carr with a death grip for years just because Bob McNair liked him and believed in him. Gary got here and was able to convince Bob to give up his pretty face of the franchise and signed onto the Matt Schaub plan. Gary wanted him, he likes him, and he trusts him. He knows the system and clearly in Gary's opinion Matt has gotten it done. He doesn't seem to think that Matt is "the problem" if indeed we even really have much of one now and the evidence seems to support that. Sure Gary drafts QB's and signs UDFA QB's. He picks up QB's off the street and tries to fix them. Gary was a QB and he liked coaching QB's. We can all see that. I think that he understands that Matt is a good player and I think he's content to stick with him until such time as a QB comes through here and takes that job away or Matt stops getting it done.

We're going to resign Matt Schaub and he'll be the starter until Yates or Keenum or some guy that we've yet to meet comes in and takes the job from him. It doesn't matter how much love he doesn't get from us. The one man whose opinion matters thinks he's gotten it done.

b0ng
08-21-2012, 01:29 PM
We're going to resign Matt Schaub and he'll be the starter until Yates or Keenum or some guy that we've yet to meet comes in and takes the job from him. It doesn't matter how much love he doesn't get from us. The one man whose opinion matters thinks he's gotten it done.

If that were the case he'd probably have gotten done before Brown did. I think the Texans are really wary of Matt Schaub injuries and want to see him play all of 2012 before they sign him to a deal. They may even franchise him.

Hervoyel
08-21-2012, 01:40 PM
If that were the case he'd probably have gotten done before Brown did. I think the Texans are really wary of Matt Schaub injuries and want to see him play all of 2012 before they sign him to a deal. They may even franchise him.

Not necessarily true. Brown, being a LT I think commands more attention from other teams because frankly he's more valuable than Schaub. Plus their relative ages being what they are I imagine that the Texans expect Brown to be protecting Schaub as well as the guy who follows him.

I really don't think the Texans are going to have any trouble resigning Matt Schaub. He'll sign for less than the elite guys and they'll get a deal done that is easy to live with. He's an entrenched starter here on a team that gave him his shot. He's not going anywhere.

b0ng
08-21-2012, 01:43 PM
Not necessarily true. Brown, being a LT I think commands more attention from other teams because frankly he's more valuable than Schaub. Plus their relative ages being what they are I imagine that the Texans expect Brown to be protecting Schaub as well as the guy who follows him.

I really don't think the Texans are going to have any trouble resigning Matt Schaub. He'll sign for less than the elite guys and they'll get a deal done that is easy to live with. He's an entrenched starter here on a team that gave him his shot. He's not going anywhere.

QB is the most important position on the offense, and if they think Schaub is going to be fine in the future they would've signed him already. The fact that they have come out and said "We aren't negotating with Schaub until after 2012" (http://www.profootballweekly.com/2012/07/06/texans-wont-negotiate-with-schaub-until-after-2012) to me means they are evaluating him still. It's not about how difficult of a re-sign he is, it's whether he can stay on the field and produce.

The Pencil Neck
08-21-2012, 02:00 PM
Welcome to the board.

False Start
08-21-2012, 03:06 PM
Welcome! :stonecold:

badboy
08-21-2012, 03:27 PM
Not necessarily true. Brown, being a LT I think commands more attention from other teams because frankly he's more valuable than Schaub. Plus their relative ages being what they are I imagine that the Texans expect Brown to be protecting Schaub as well as the guy who follows him.

I really don't think the Texans are going to have any trouble resigning Matt Schaub. He'll sign for less than the elite guys and they'll get a deal done that is easy to live with. He's an entrenched starter here on a team that gave him his shot. He's not going anywhere.You may be correct and Matt also may want to to retire here BUT it is also probably his last contract to set him for life. Doesn't logic suggest he go for the bucks? On one of the other threads one of the ESPN guys allegedly said Houston had about $24million cap space in 2013 and that was before Brown signed. If we have apprx $15m, we can sign Barwin and once Matt has shown he's healthy we can probably sign him also. I think the progress of TJ Yates will play a role.

infantrycak
08-21-2012, 03:54 PM
You may be correct and Matt also may want to to retire here BUT it is also probably his last contract to set him for life. Doesn't logic suggest he go for the bucks?

Clearly there is some logic to saying go for the bucks. The problem is the smart play to get more bucks may be to sign here for less. He is successfully leading a team. Only a few teams run similar systems. One just put a #2 pick at QB. So there is a very narrow market for teams where he would not have a significant system change. So longevity with the system and coach are significant factors. Playing out a 5 year $50 mil contract is more money than getting cut 3 years into a $60 mil contract.

Hervoyel
08-21-2012, 09:39 PM
Clearly there is some logic to saying go for the bucks. The problem is the smart play to get more bucks may be to sign here for less. He is successfully leading a team. Only a few teams run similar systems. One just put a #2 pick at QB. So there is a very narrow market for teams where he would not have a significant system change. So longevity with the system and coach are significant factors. Playing out a 5 year $50 mil contract is more money than getting cut 3 years into a $60 mil contract.

Give that man a cigar!

michaelm
08-21-2012, 11:04 PM
Give that man a cigar!

Smoking is bad, mkay???

badboy
08-21-2012, 11:25 PM
Clearly there is some logic to saying go for the bucks. The problem is the smart play to get more bucks may be to sign here for less. He is successfully leading a team. Only a few teams run similar systems. One just put a #2 pick at QB. So there is a very narrow market for teams where he would not have a significant system change. So longevity with the system and coach are significant factors. Playing out a 5 year $50 mil contract is more money than getting cut 3 years into a $60 mil contract.Good point, just not sure Matt figures he could get cut in 3 years. Also would he not want to prove he is not a system QB? I think a good Oline and a decent RB and a WR or two would get his attention especially if FOUR year $50million.