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MojoMan
08-20-2012, 10:28 PM
Same song, different verse. Apparently neither McCoy or Ash has distinguished themselves during camp, so they will split time at QB for the Longhorns again this year, at least in the opening game.

Ash, McCoy both to play opener (http://blog.chron.com/longhorns/2012/08/ut-football-ash-mccoy-both-to-play-opener/)

AUSTIN — It’s looking more and more like the dreaded “-OR-” on Texas’ quarterback depth chart is here to stay.

While there remains a possibility the Longhorns will pick a clear starter before beginning the season on Sept. 1, offensive play-caller Bryan Harsin said Monday he expects both David Ash and Case McCoy to play in the opener against Wyoming. And like Mack Brown last week, Harsin gave no indication coaches are closer to choosing one player over the other than they’ve been at any point in the 20 months Ash and McCoy have been competing.

Before camp began, Brown stressed the importance of having one quarterback assert himself as the starter, and said he expected separation to happen. Lately, though, he and Harsin have reverted to last season’s tactic of waxing enthusiastic about the advantages of a two-quarterback system.

“It’s ideal to have both guys playing at a high level,” Harsin said. “That’s what you want.”

Little, however, was ideal about the time-share situation in 2011, when the UT depth chart listed “David Ash -OR- Case McCoy” as the starter for the bulk of the season and the Longhorns finished 89th nationally in pass efficiency. Despite those results, Brown and Harsin said they believe Ash and McCoy have both improved so much that splitting snaps shouldn’t be a problem.

“We want both guys to play,” Harsin said. “There’s strengths and weaknesses with both guys.”

It’s a familiar tune they’re playing. The Longhorns just have to hope they’ve gotten better with their instruments.

Not that hardly anyone will get to see the first game, as the first two games will be broadcast on the friggin' LHN, which is carried by almost none of the cable TV providers. Of course the cable TV providers are not to blame here, as the LHN just does not make economic sense for most consumers or most cable TV networks. Personally, I am looking forward to the end of the LHN experiment, which increasingly appears to be just a matter of time.

MojoMan
08-20-2012, 10:45 PM
The AP preseason poll has Texas ranked #15 to start the season:

http://espn.go.com/college-football/rankings

Also ranked among the Big 12 are:

04 - Oklahoma
11 - West Virginia
19 - Oklahoma State
20 - TCU
22 - Kansas State

As a result, 6 of 10 teams in the league will be ranked in the top 25 to start the year. This is shaping up to be a pretty tough conference.

MojoMan
08-21-2012, 11:17 AM
Then again, it looks as if the Longhorns offense may be primarily orchestrated around the running game this year.

It has been a while, but for those who remember, three yards and a cloud of dust is what Texas has been primarily famous for on the offensive side of the ball. Think Earl Campbell, Ricky Williams and all of the other excellent RB's that have come out of Texas over the years.

This year, the Longhorns have at least two NFL quality backs in Malcom Brown and Jonathan Gray, and a third in Joe Bergeron who could be as well. If the Texas offensive line does their part, this should be a three back running attack that should be something to behold.

Older, wiser Brown ready to lead Texas RB trio (http://www.chron.com/sports/longhorns/article/Older-wiser-Brown-ready-to-lead-Texas-RB-trio-3802163.php)

AUSTIN – Malcolm Brown is old, venerable and game-hardened and full of the kind of wisdom he wishes kids would listen to but knows they probably won't. When he was a wide-eyed, 18-year-old running back in 2011, he didn't have the perspective he has now. He struggled to figure out pass protection, allowed himself to be overwhelmed by the attention of playing at Texas, and regularly treated himself to Little Debbie Zebra Cakes.

The more experienced Brown shakes his head at that stuff. And when he talks to Johnathan Gray, the freshman who like Brown joined the Longhorns as one of the top running back recruits in the nation, he tries to make him understand. "The crowd's going to get all hyped up when you get your first touch, and you're going to feel like there's pressure on you," Brown said he told Gray. "But it's still the game of football." And if that simple game of football can be won by handing the ball off to fast, strong guys, the Longhorns think adding Gray's flash to Brown's savvy and Joe Bergeron's bruising ability could make them as dominant as any ground game in the sport.

Uncertainty remains in the incessant David Ash-Case McCoy quarterback competition, but UT has no shortage of answers at tailback. Last year, the Longhorns utilized then-freshmen Brown and Bergeron to average 202 rushing yards per game, 21st in the country.

By adding a third teenager to the group - specifically, a teenager who raced to more high school touchdowns than anyone in history - and by bringing back the bulk of a maturing offensive line, they think they can be better. "The running game we were building in steps last year we know is going to be great this year," guard Trey Hopkins said. "We have some stallions back there." And the styles are diverse enough to take advantage of just about any kind of track. If UT needs to pound the ball between the tackles, Bergeron, with his barrel chest and enormous thighs, is the man. If the Longhorns want a runner who can get wide before turning upfield, Gray has that ability.

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Goldensilence
08-21-2012, 01:09 PM
The AP preseason poll has Texas ranked #15 to start the season:

http://espn.go.com/college-football/rankings

Also ranked among the Big 12 are:

04 - Oklahoma
11 - West Virginia
19 - Oklahoma State
20 - TCU
22 - Kansas State

As a result, 6 of 10 teams in the league will be ranked in the top 25 to start the year. This is shaping up to be a pretty tough conference.

I think a good argument could be made that the Big 12 last year was deeper as a whole than the SEC last year.

Far as the Longhorns as a whole, I agree it's likely same song second verse. The defense is going to carry this team again, and hopefully the offense will continue to grow under Harsin in his second year. It's really frustrating to see a LOT of good offensive pieces going to waste because lack of a quality QB.

If only they could somehow squish Ash and McCoy together you'd get a capable QB. I guess i subscribe to the idea if you have two QBs then you don't have a real solution at QB.

Doppelganger
08-21-2012, 01:20 PM
Then again, it looks as if the Longhorns offense may be primarily orchestrated around the running game this year.

It has been a while, but for those who remember, three yards and a cloud of dust is what Texas has been primarily famous for on the offensive side of the ball. Think Earl Campbell, Ricky Williams and all of the other excellent RB's that have come out of Texas over the years.

This year, the Longhorns have at least two NFL quality backs in Malcom Brown and Jonathan Gray, and a third in Joe Bergeron who could be as well. If the Texas offensive line does their part, this should be a three back running attack that should be something to behold.

I think UT is trying to go the route of becoming an SEC style team:smothering Defense and prolific running game. I liked what I saw out of the D last year and I think the running game has a chance to be one of the best in the country. I think the D can certainly be top 5 if not top 10. The running game is potentially very dangerous and has 3 really good youngsters carrying the rock. This will be a return to the days of Ricki and Priest establishing the tone rather than Vince or Colt.

My prediction is the D and running game will propel the team to a top 10 finish. The team won 11+ games with Chris Simms as a QB: surely Ash and/or Case are not significantly worse than Simms.

Blake
08-22-2012, 07:40 AM
Hookem baby!

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MojoMan
08-22-2012, 08:14 AM
I think UT is trying to go the route of becoming an SEC style team:smothering Defense and prolific running game. I liked what I saw out of the D last year and I think the running game has a chance to be one of the best in the country. I think the D can certainly be top 5 if not top 10. The running game is potentially very dangerous and has 3 really good youngsters carrying the rock. This will be a return to the days of Ricki and Priest establishing the tone rather than Vince or Colt.

My prediction is the D and running game will propel the team to a top 10 finish. The team won 11+ games with Chris Simms as a QB: surely Ash and/or Case are not significantly worse than Simms.

I think you are right. Of course defense has always been key, but for most of Mack Brown's tenure, the passing game has been much more heavily featured than I think he really wanted. Now with the re-engineering of his coaching staff and the struggles the Horns are having at QB, now is the time to make it happen.

Of course he will only be able to stick with that approach as long as it works, as it is difficult to come back from behind solely by running the ball. The Horns will play 5 teams currently ranked in the top 25 this year and also Ole Miss. If they dominate with the run game and defense through 10 of 12 games, the Horns will finish again in the top 10.

Stemp
08-22-2012, 09:03 AM
Oklahoma should be lower. In fact, I'll be surprised if they finished ranked above 20 this year. Texas should be about 19-20 but where they finish will depend on the QB play and if they can stay healthy,

Okie St, TCU, and KSU shouldn't be ranked IMO. I see all 3 having 3-4 losses this year.

MojoMan
08-22-2012, 06:50 PM
Here is a link to the preseason depth chart for the Longhorns, for those who are interested:

http://www.mackbrown-texasfootball.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/fb-depth-chart.html

Also, the Longhorns have officially named David Ash the starting QB:

UT officially ends controversy, tabs Ash starter (http://www.chron.com/sports/longhorns/article/UT-officially-ends-controversy-tabs-Ash-starter-3808115.php)

Just over 19 months ago, David Ash enrolled at the University of Texas fresh off graduating early from Belton High School. He immediately found himself competing with Case McCoy for playing time at quarterback, and the competition continued through two springs, two summers and a football season.

By releasing UT's depth chart and tabbing Ash as his opening-game starter Wednesday, Longhorns coach Mack Brown formally ended one of the most interminable quarterback controversies in college football. "Both quarterbacks are good enough to win games," Brown said. "(Ash) ended up having a little edge, and that was it."

That Ash landed in the No. 1 spot was not a shock. The surprise, if there was one, was that Brown did not make much of an effort to appease McCoy by guaranteeing a specific amount of playing time to the backup. For weeks, Brown and offensive play-caller Bryan Harsin had been reverting to their comments from last year, when they continually praised both quarterbacks equally and insisted a time-share situation could work.

Brown did say McCoy, who started five games to Ash's six last season, will play in the season opener against Wyoming on Sept. 1. But unlike in 2011, Brown couldn't be sure McCoy will play in the first half. "We don't have a plan for it," Brown said.

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Texecutioner
08-22-2012, 07:43 PM
It always ticks me off at how the Sooners have always been coached better than the Horns. It seems like the Sooners have always been able to do really well no matter who their QB was even when that one guy got suspended and they used that WR to play QB. They still won the BIG 12 that season.

The Horns definitely got screwed with how badly Gilbert ended up being which didn't seem possible, but it is what it is. They need to have a new QB ready to go pronto for next season.

Stemp
08-22-2012, 07:46 PM
It always ticks me off at how the Sooners have always been coached better than the Horns. It seems like the Sooners have always been able to do really well no matter who their QB was even when that one guy got suspended and they used that WR to play QB. They still won the BIG 12 that season.

The Horns definitely got screwed with how badly Gilbert ended up being which didn't seem possible, but it is what it is. They need to have a new QB ready to go pronto for next season.

I think you need to worry more about WV than OU this season. Though both games will be difficult.

Texecutioner
08-22-2012, 07:50 PM
I think you need to worry more about WV than OU this season. Though both games will be difficult.

Not worried about either one, as this should still be a rough year for the Horns. I can't remember any Longhorn team that ever over achieved under Mack Brown. They're always strapped with talent, but GD's scheme was so vanilla for so many years along with Mack's blind loyalty to certain players that wouldn't perform at times. Ash and Case just don't have any type of "it factor." They're going to have to really rely on a running game and a top defense to help them get through with an SEC style approach.

badboy
08-22-2012, 10:51 PM
I think UT is trying to go the route of becoming an SEC style team:smothering Defense and prolific running game. I liked what I saw out of the D last year and I think the running game has a chance to be one of the best in the country. I think the D can certainly be top 5 if not top 10. The running game is potentially very dangerous and has 3 really good youngsters carrying the rock. This will be a return to the days of Ricki and Priest establishing the tone rather than Vince or Colt.

My prediction is the D and running game will propel the team to a top 10 finish. The team won 11+ games with Chris Simms as a QB: surely Ash and/or Case are not significantly worse than Simms.With that defense, may not need much of a QB.

texanhead08
08-26-2012, 12:18 PM
I have never understood how their running game struggled all those years. UT gets the cream of the crop lineman and RB's every year.

HJam72
08-26-2012, 12:31 PM
I will only go to Longhorn games if I am rooting for an opposing player that went to somebody's high school, and I will bash them for not recruiting him....even if he is retarded, immature, goes to gay beer parties, and walks out on team meetings.

PS-JK, I still wouldn't drive that far.

Mr. White
08-26-2012, 07:56 PM
I have never understood how their running game struggled all those years. UT gets the cream of the crop lineman and RB's every year.

http://a.espncdn.com/media/motion/2010/0929/NCF_100929_PlaybookGregDavis.jpg

MojoMan
08-31-2012, 07:57 PM
Much to my amazement, I just turned on my television, and AT&T U-verse now includes the Longhorn Network. As a result, I will be able to watch the Longhorns first two games on TV.

AT&T had better not jack up everyone's cable rates for this, that is all I have to say.

Mr. White
09-01-2012, 07:01 PM
Funny how much I hated LHN when I couldn't get it.

What's even funnier is that I've been watching the hell out of it the last two days after I heard UVerse picked it up.

MojoMan
09-01-2012, 08:05 PM
Funny how much I hated LHN when I couldn't get it.

What's even funnier is that I've been watching the hell out of it the last two days after I heard UVerse picked it up.

I hate the idea of the precedent being set that individual college teams will now be getting their own channels, with individual fees charged to every subscriber for each one, even though most people will have no interest in most of these channels. It is a recipe for jacking up everyone's cable TV rates, and that I hate.

I have been watching it to. It is nice to be able to watch all of the Longhorns games this year. But prior to the LHN, all of these games were televised anyway. This is just an unnecessary ploy to milk consumers out of more of their hard-earned cash. I kind of wish that the LHN would just fold up shop and go away.

MojoMan
09-02-2012, 08:33 AM
The Longhorns beat the Wyoming Cowboys in their home opener 37 - 17. Overall, the Longhorns looked less than stellar, especially early on when the Texas defense gave up a number of big plays.

The Longhorns QB controversy is officially over. David Ash looked great as he played nearly the whole game, with Case McCoy coming in for mop up duty late in forth quarter. Ash was 20 of 27 for 156 yards and a TD. Unless he melts down going forward, Ash will be the starter from now on.

The Horns also had two 100 yard rushers, with Joe Bergeron rushing 15 times for 110 yards and Malcom Brown rushing 14 times for 105. Total offense was 436 yards, with 280 on the ground. It was a solid offensive performance, although the OL did struggle a little early.

The Texas defense gave up 276 yards through the air. Hat tip to the Cowboys for having some really good players in the passing game, especially their QB Bret Smith and WR Robert Herron, who caught 5 passes for 173 yards, including a short play that he turned into an 82 yard romp. While the Wyoming air attack does deserve some credit, the Texas defense will not be happy with this performance, nor should they be.

I sure am glad that Texas was not playing a ranked team today, or they likely would have lost. But overall, Texas did get the win, so this was a nice start for the Horns and something they can build on.

Dan B.
09-02-2012, 04:01 PM
I hate the idea of the precedent being set that individual college teams will now be getting their own channels, with individual fees charged to every subscriber for each one, even though most people will have no interest in most of these channels. It is a recipe for jacking up everyone's cable TV rates, and that I hate.

I have been watching it to. It is nice to be able to watch all of the Longhorns games this year. But prior to the LHN, all of these games were televised anyway. This is just an unnecessary ploy to milk consumers out of more of their hard-earned cash. I kind of wish that the LHN would just fold up shop and go away.

Look at it like this: before the LHN you had to buy that one game a year on pay per view. Now you have to spend 40 cents a month for LHN. It's cheaper to pay 40 cents a month for multiple games in every sport than it is to pay 20 or 30 bucks for one football game.

MojoMan
09-02-2012, 04:21 PM
Look at it like this: before the LHN you had to buy that one game a year on pay per view. Now you have to spend 40 cents a month for LHN. It's cheaper to pay 40 cents a month for multiple games in every sport than it is to pay 20 or 30 bucks for one football game.

But I never paid the 20 - 30 bucks for that game, which was always a crummy game anyway. And regardless, this is not just about me being able to watch my alma mater. We need to be considerate towards others here too. When the cable companies start adding channels for other schools, I (and you and everyone) will eventually get to pay an extra amount for each channel added. As a result, I really do not like this and I hope the LHN eventually fails before this process starts to gain any momentum.

SteveSlaton20
09-03-2012, 05:32 PM
The Longhorns beat the Wyoming Cowboys in their home opener 37 - 17. Overall, the Longhorns looked less than stellar, especially early on when the Texas defense gave up a number of big plays.

The Longhorns QB controversy is officially over. David Ash looked great as he played nearly the whole game, with Case McCoy coming in for mop up duty late in forth quarter. Ash was 20 of 27 for 156 yards and a TD. Unless he melts down going forward, Ash will be the starter from now on.

The Horns also had two 100 yard rushers, with Joe Bergeron rushing 15 times for 110 yards and Malcom Brown rushing 14 times for 105. Total offense was 436 yards, with 280 on the ground. It was a solid offensive performance, although the OL did struggle a little early.

The Texas defense gave up 276 yards through the air. Hat tip to the Cowboys for having some really good players in the passing game, especially their QB Bret Smith and WR Robert Herron, who caught 5 passes for 173 yards, including a short play that he turned into an 82 yard romp. While the Wyoming air attack does deserve some credit, the Texas defense will not be happy with this performance, nor should they be.

I sure am glad that Texas was not playing a ranked team today, or they likely would have lost. But overall, Texas did get the win, so this was a nice start for the Horns and something they can build on.

don't think david ash looked great, but he did looked much improved since last season.

brett smith is a baller, defense was disappointing for the most part, but we can fix that(mainly just poor tackling).

MojoMan
09-16-2012, 08:30 AM
Texas pounded Ole Miss on the road last night, 66-31. Great win for the Longhorns. This team still has some work to do, especially on defense and special teams, but the offense looked great. Here is a box score from ESPN:

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=322590145

The Longhorns offense generated 676 total yards, with 350 on the ground and 326 through the air. There were quite a RB's who touched the ball, but Malcolm Brown led the way with 128 yards on 21 carries. QB David Ash was fantastic, going 19 for 23 for 326 yards, 4 TDs and no interceptions. Ash really looked like he was starting to step up to the next level during this game. If he continues to play at this level or beyond for the rest of the season, this team could be better than most people are expecting.

Defensively, the Horns gave up 399 yards and 31 points, both the run defense and the secondary need work. While Ole Miss is the best team that the Horns have played so far, they are not ranked and other teams will provide a bigger challenge. If the Longhorns cannot fix some of the defensive lapses that we saw here today, both against the run and the pass, this team could be worse than people are expecting. But I expect they will continue to improve as the season goes along.

Anyway, this was a nice win for the Longhorns, on the road in SEC territory. The Horns are now 3-0, with a bye next week, followed by Oklahoma State in Stillwater the week after that. Then the next two weeks will be in Austin against currently #9 West Virginia and in Dallas against #5 Oklahoma for the Red River shootout. The success of the Longhorns 2012 season is going to be largely determined by their success over the next 3 games.

MojoMan
09-16-2012, 12:37 PM
The Longhorns are now ranked #12 in the AP and #10 in the coaches poll.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/rankings

The Longhorns next opponent, Oklahoma State is ranked #25 in the coaches poll and could move higher between now and the game in two weeks. The Cowboys also have a bye week this coming Saturday, so both teams should be fresh when the face off in Stillwater.

Showtime100
09-16-2012, 03:21 PM
I went to chron.com to see how my old high school team is doing. Seems we play the Longhorns in Austin next game. :D

gary
09-29-2012, 09:30 PM
Good game so far.

MojoMan
09-29-2012, 10:46 PM
Good game so far.

It was a great game from beginning to end. Very exciting and very hard fought by both teams on both sides of the ball. And what a finish. Texas beats Oklahoma State in Stillwater 41-36. Anyone who watched this game and did not enjoy it is not really a football fan. That is all there is too it.

And I don't care what anyone says, Oklahoma State is a very good college football team. Their fans are loud, their players hit hard, they play smart and they do not quit. They were the Big 12 champions last season. And they might be again this season, if Texas stumbles going forward.

Here is the box score:

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=322730197

Next two games for Texas:

West Virginia in Austin
Oklahoma in Dallas

This is the good stuff.

Showtime100
09-29-2012, 10:57 PM
Texas got away with it at the end. Wow. No TD plus a fumble called a touchdown.

Nothing really new.

Stemp
09-29-2012, 11:02 PM
Texas got away with it at the end. Wow. No TD plus a fumble called a touchdown.

Nothing really new.

Pretty much. Add in Gundy's HORRIBLE playcalling on that last scoring drive and it was a perfect blend of crap.

Funny how the refs ran over, looked in and called touchdown..... yet he didn't even have the ball thanks to the fumble.

MojoMan
09-29-2012, 11:02 PM
Texas got away with it at the end. Wow. No TD plus a fumble called a touchdown.

Nothing really new.

Yes, I remember what a big fan of the University of Texas you are. :)

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MojoMan
09-29-2012, 11:04 PM
Pretty much. Add in Gundy's HORRIBLE playcalling on that last scoring drive and it was a perfect blend of crap.

Unbelievable. You guys must seriously inebriated if you really believe what you are saying here. This was as fine a college football game as you could realistically hope to see.

Showtime100
09-29-2012, 11:04 PM
Yes, I remember what a big fan of the University of Texas you are. :)

http://vaultmedia.ign.com/vnboards/2008/other_sarcasmMeter.gif


Got nothing to do with who I like or don't like. I remember in your eye the Horns do nothing wrong. No biggie my friend.

Go Horns, 12th is as high as they'll get playing that kind of football.

Stemp
09-29-2012, 11:08 PM
Unbelievable. You guys must seriously inebriated if you really believe what you are saying here. This was as fine a college football game as you could realistically hope to see.

Sure, if you like to watch an overrated team playing an unranked team with refs who don't know how to spot the ball to save their life. (Several example of the refs spotting the ball WAY past where the runners knee went down). Add in the horrible and controversial ending and you have a great recipe for.... crapola.

But by all means, I'm glad you enjoyed it. :koolaid:

MojoMan
09-29-2012, 11:10 PM
Go Horns, 12th is as high as they'll get playing that kind of football.

You might be right about that. The Horns defense is going to have to play better if they hope to keep winning. And that has to start next week in Austin, as #9 West Virginia comes to town after hanging 70 points on the Baylor Bears today.

However, Baylor put 63 points on the board against WVU, so this game could be fun to watch as well.

If Texas beats WVU next week and you guys are still being unduly negative about the Horns, then it might be time to realize that your opinions about the Longhorns really are more a function of your attitudes towards the University than the play of the football team.

MojoMan
09-29-2012, 11:12 PM
Sure, if you like to watch an overrated team playing an unranked team with refs who don't know how to spot the ball to save their life. (Several example of the refs spotting the ball WAY past where the runners knee went down). Add in the horrible and controversial ending and you have a great recipe for.... crapola.

But by all means, I'm glad you enjoyed it. :koolaid:

The old blame it on the refs angle.

Allrighty then.

Showtime100
09-29-2012, 11:13 PM
You might be right about that. The Horns defense is going to have to play better if they hope to keep winning. And that has to start next week in Austin, as #9 West Virginia comes to town after hanging 70 points on the Baylor Bears today.

However, Baylor put 63 points on the board against WVU, so this game could be fun to watch as well.

If Texas beats WVU next week and you guys are still being unduly negative about the Horns, then it might be time to realize that your opinions about the Longhorns really are more a function of your attitudes towards the University than the play of the football team.

Tomorrow we'll root for the same team.

I posted my honest thought on the Texas game. No disrespect intended.

Stemp
09-29-2012, 11:15 PM
The old blame it on the refs angle.

Allrighty then.

No, they called it bad both ways.

I don't have a dog in that hunt anyways. Just wasn't impressed with the game.

MojoMan
09-29-2012, 11:18 PM
Tomorrow we'll root for the same team.

I posted my honest thought on the Texas game. No disrespect intended.
Hook'em Horns!
http://gridironexperts.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Houston_Texans_iPhone.jpg

MojoMan
09-29-2012, 11:20 PM
No, they called it bad both ways.

I don't have a dog in that hunt anyways. Just wasn't impressed with the game.

Well for anyone who has LHN (such as AT&T U-verse subscribers), the game will be on again, probably several times over the next week. People who watch can see for themselves.

Showtime100
09-29-2012, 11:20 PM
Hook'em Horns!
http://gridironexperts.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Houston_Texans_iPhone.jpg

Hey, that's actually a really cool logo. Mind if I copy? :clap:

MojoMan
09-29-2012, 11:21 PM
Hey, that's actually a really cool logo. Mind if I copy? :clap:

Sure, go ahead. I copied it off of a Google search just now myself.

By the way, msr.

Doppelganger
09-29-2012, 11:23 PM
I am a UT supporter. Now that that's out of the way here is my assessment of the game:

1. UT offense looks solid. Ash is passing the ball reasonably well down the field. Unlike last year where he made boneheaded decisions, this year he is making much better ones. He is only a sophomore so I am excited to see his development this season. UT running game looks good. They have a stable of good running back options. The offensive line is looking better than they have in a couple of years. Compared to where I thought they would be, the offense is doing better than I expected.

2. UT defense looks bad...really bad. The OSU running game shredded the Longhorn D. 8 yards per carry for Walsh, 7.1 for the QB, and overall almost 7 yards per run? That is pitiful. I don't know what happened, but suddenly UT cannot tackle. I have not seen such a pitiful tackling display since the Texans introduced the Olé defense a few years ago. I don't know what happened. Last year Manny Diaz's defense was solid if not good. I thought his year would be as good if not better. This year they can't tackle. Very disappointing effort. Compared to where I thought they would be, the defense is light years worse than I expected.

3. The end of today's game. Very good play calling and good execution on Texas' offense. On the final Texas touchdown, on replay it was clear Bergeron fumbled the ball. What was not clear, however, was who got the ball in the pileup. Since it was inconclusive, the play had to stand. Had it been ruled a fumble, there would not have been enough evidence to overturn it. In this case the refs had to let that call stand.

Showtime100
09-29-2012, 11:25 PM
Sure, go ahead. I copied it off of a Google search just now myself.

By the way, msr.


I got me. :D :D

MojoMan
09-29-2012, 11:30 PM
2. UT defense looks bad...really bad. The OSU running game shredded the Longhorn D. 8 yards per carry for Walsh, 7.1 for the QB, and overall almost 7 yards per run? That is pitiful. I don't know what happened, but suddenly UT cannot tackle. I have not seen such a pitiful tackling display since the Texans introduced the Olé defense a few years ago. I don't know what happened. Last year Manny Diaz's defense was solid if not good. I thought his year would be as good if not better. This year they can't tackle. Very disappointing effort. Compared to where I thought they would be, the defense is light years worse than I expected.

I agree with pretty much your entire post. But the part about the defense is especially worthy of note. To be fair, I think Oklahoma State is a very good offensive football team, which they demonstrated tonight. That being said, there is no excuse for how poorly the Longhorns looked on certain plays on defense throughout the evening.

With West Virginia coming to town, there will be no excuses. The Longhorns defense will need to play better against the Miners to win that game. But at the same time, their defense will have to play better than they did against the Bears to beat the Longhorns. I expect that the Longhorns will play better, and that WVU probably will too.

Over the next two weeks, we will see how good or bad this Texas team really is. Next Saturday at home against WVU and then the following Saturday against Oklahoma in Dallas.

But if Texas somehow manages to squeeze out wins against both of these teams, however ugly those wins might be, I don't want to hear any more whining and bellyaching from the UT haters out there. The Horns will have proved it on the football field.

Dan B.
09-30-2012, 12:11 AM
Got nothing to do with who I like or don't like. I remember in your eye the Horns do nothing wrong. No biggie my friend.

Go Horns, 12th is as high as they'll get playing that kind of football.

With Stanford's loss they are likely going to rise in the rankings playing that kind of football.

MojoMan
09-30-2012, 12:22 AM
With Stanford's loss they are likely going to rise in the rankings playing that kind of football.

That should bump the Horns up to #11 and WVU probably to #8. To be fair, if the Horns cannot beat WVU, they do not deserve to move any higher. But I suspect that Texas will be favored at home by a narrow margin and has a very good chance to win that game next Saturday.

If Texas beats WVU, then who is demonstrably better than Texas from #9 - #25 in the rankings? No one that I can see.

Showtime100
09-30-2012, 12:30 AM
With Stanford's loss they are likely going to rise in the rankings playing that kind of football.

Of course.

pbat488
09-30-2012, 09:30 AM
If Texas beats WVU next week and you guys are still being unduly negative about the Horns, then it might be time to realize that your opinions about the Longhorns really are more a function of your attitudes towards the University than the play of the football team.

no, people's opinions are based on texas fans. nobody hates a school.

as for the refereeing, the fumble/touchdown was a bad call, but like dopp said it wasn't clear and therefore had to stand as called. it's just another instance where people see texas seemingly be the beneficiary of an official's terrible decision at an important juncture of the game.

Showtime100
09-30-2012, 11:25 AM
no, people's opinions are based on texas fans. nobody hates a school.

as for the refereeing, the fumble/touchdown was a bad call, but like dopp said it wasn't clear and therefore had to stand as called. it's just another instance where people see texas seemingly be the beneficiary of an official's terrible decision at an important juncture of the game.

That one word cost you a great post. :D

MojoMan
09-30-2012, 12:15 PM
no, people's opinions are based on texas fans. nobody hates a school.

as for the refereeing, the fumble/touchdown was a bad call, but like dopp said it wasn't clear and therefore had to stand as called. it's just another instance where people see texas seemingly be the beneficiary of an official's terrible decision at an important juncture of the game.

Welcome to an Aggie fan, weighing in on the most recent win by the Texas Longhorns.

Well, in any case, I wish the Aggies well in the SEC, and I will be rooting for them to win every game they play, unless they play UT again, of course. So please do not think that any lingering animosity harbored towards Texas by so many A&M fans is generally reciprocated back at you guys. Certainly in my case, nothing could be further from the truth.

So, if this is the way you happen to feel, it is a one-way deal.

pbat488
09-30-2012, 04:42 PM
thanks for rooting for us. texas fans only care about ou, I know..

MojoMan
10-06-2012, 09:56 PM
West Virginia 48 - Texas 45

West Virginia stepped up their game to the next level tonight, especially on defense. I did not believe that WVU was going to be able to pull of that level of improvement on defense after giving up 63 points to Baylor last week. But they did. The Miners are evolving before our eyes into a very good football team.

Texas on the other hand, continued to struggle on defense. There were a lot of missed tackles and far too many big plays. The pressure on the QB was reasonably good, but a lot of credit has to go to WVU QB Geno Smith, who will almost certainly be one of the early QB's taken in the NFL draft next year. He looked great.

The Horns did not look terrible, but they were certainly not as good as WVU was tonight. However, the Longhorns defense does appear to continue to be in need of some remedial improvements.

Next up, Oklahoma in Dallas, who put a 41-20 shellacking on Texas Tech tonight.

Showtime100
10-07-2012, 05:28 AM
West Virginia 48 - Texas 45

West Virginia stepped up their game to the next level tonight, especially on defense. I did not believe that WVU was going to be able to pull of that level of improvement on defense after giving up 63 points to Baylor last week. But they did. The Miners are evolving before our eyes into a very good football team.

Texas on the other hand, continued to struggle on defense. There were a lot of missed tackles and far too many big plays. The pressure on the QB was reasonably good, but a lot of credit has to go to WVU QB Geno Smith, who will almost certainly be one of the early QB's taken in the NFL draft next year. He looked great.

The Horns did not look terrible, but they were certainly not as good as WVU was tonight. However, the Longhorns defense does appear to continue to be in need of some remedial improvements.

Next up, Oklahoma in Dallas, who put a 41-20 shellacking on Texas Tech tonight.

No sir. They beat an inferior team.

Hookem Horns
10-07-2012, 06:51 AM
No sir. They beat an inferior team.

Do you have a favorite college team or is it just whomever is playing Texas each week?

JCTexan
10-07-2012, 09:00 AM
No sir. They beat an inferior team.

Did you actually watch the game? The scoreboard was decided on a botched snap when Texas was inside West Virginia's five yard-line late in the fourth quarter. It was about a twenty yard loss and a FG was missed on the next play. Both teams looked equal to me last night.

Rey
10-07-2012, 09:14 AM
Did you actually watch the game? The scoreboard was decided on a botched snap when Texas was inside West Virginia's five yard-line late in the fourth quarter. It was about a twenty yard loss and a FG was missed on the next play. Both teams looked equal to me last night.

That's part of being a good complete team.

If you are botching snaps and missing field goals and the other team isnt then you aren't as good as them.

I can see if you are saying there were some questionable calls by the Refs or something beyond the control of coaching and players on the field, but they made those errors, hence they didn't play as well as the other team.

Maybe if they played again they could win, but on that day they were not as good.

JCTexan
10-07-2012, 09:42 AM
That's part of being a good complete team.

If you are botching snaps and missing field goals and the other team isnt then you aren't as good as them.

I can see if you are saying there were some questionable calls by the Refs or something beyond the control of coaching and players on the field, but they made those errors, hence they didn't play as well as the other team.

Maybe if they played again they could win, but on that day they were not as good.

I understand that Texas lost the game. I just don't think they are inferior to West Virginia because they botched a snap. West Virginia didn't seem to trust their kicking game either (both teams were going for every 4th down). 'A good complete team' doesn't give up 45 points.

I'm not knocking West Virginia by any means, I just don't think they're superior because Texas failed to convert in the redzone late.

MojoMan
10-07-2012, 09:53 AM
I understand that Texas lost the game. I just don't think they are inferior to West Virginia because they botched a snap. West Virginia didn't seem to trust their kicking game either (both teams were going for every 4th down). 'A good complete team' doesn't give up 45 points.

I'm not knocking West Virginia by any means, I just don't think they're superior because Texas failed to convert in the redzone late.

To be fair, West Virginia did win the game in Austin. We do have to give the Miners some credit. This was a big win for them. And Texas did not look all that great on the defensive side of the ball.

These are both very good college football teams. But this year, WVU is better. They proved it on the field. Nobody was cheated. it was not the referees fault. And neither George W. Bush or Barack Obama was there, so they cannot be blamed either.

I hate to say it, but it is true and it needs to be said. Texas does not deserve to be ranked in the top 10 right now, and they will not be, because they just are not good enough. If the Horns want to be ranked in the top 10 going forward, then they will have to win games like this, at home against an opponent ranked slightly higher than them.

There is no excuse. I am as big a Texas fan as anyone here on this board - I authored this thread, for crying out loud - but let's be reasonable here. The Texas Longhorns lost to a better WVU team in Austin yesterday. That is all there is to it.

Hookem Horns
10-07-2012, 10:22 AM
To be fair, West Virginia did win the game in Austin. We do have to give the Miners some credit.

OK, they are new to the Big 12 so you get a pass. They are the Mountaineers ..lol. UTEP are the Miners.

MojoMan
10-07-2012, 10:24 AM
OK, they are new to the Big 12 so you get a pass. They are the Mountaineers ..lol. UTEP are the Miners.

LOL. You are right. :)

They do do a lot mining in West Virginia. But the team is the Mountaineers. I stand corrected.

Goldensilence
10-07-2012, 10:31 AM
OK, they are new to the Big 12 so you get a pass. They are the Mountaineers ..lol. UTEP are the Miners.

Hey as a recent grad of UTEP....you didn't have to correct him. I'd be fine if that was the team I got to cheer for.

JCTexan
10-07-2012, 10:35 AM
To be fair, West Virginia did win the game in Austin. We do have to give the Miners some credit. This was a big win for them. And Texas did not look all that great on the defensive side of the ball.

These are both very good college football teams. But this year, WVU is better. They proved it on the field. Nobody was cheated. it was not the referees fault. And neither George W. Bush or Barack Obama was there, so they cannot be blamed either.

I hate to say it, but it is true and it needs to be said. Texas does not deserve to be ranked in the top 10 right now, and they will not be, because they just are not good enough. If the Horns want to be ranked in the top 10 going forward, then they will have to win games like this, at home against an opponent ranked slightly higher than them.

There is no excuse. I am as big a Texas fan as anyone here on this board - I authored this thread, for crying out loud - but let's be reasonable here. The Texas Longhorns lost to a better WVU team in Austin yesterday. That is all there is to it.

I'm not disputing any of that. West Virginia won the game. I'm not saying anything negative about West Virginia. Texas lost the game. No argument there. I didn't say either team was cheated in any way. I just didn't see a superior or inferior team on either sideline last night. I understand the game was in Austin but both teams looked equal to me last night. The game was ultimately decided by a botched snap/missed FG.

axman40
10-07-2012, 11:34 AM
West Va looked great and UT looked like they are a year away from being something special.
:toast2:

MojoMan
10-07-2012, 01:53 PM
West Virginia jumps to #5, Texas falls to #15:

http://espn.go.com/college-football/rankings

That looks about right.

Next Saturday, #5 WVU faces off against #6 Kansas State. Both teams are undefeated. That should be a good one.

Meanwhile, #15 Texas faces off against #13 Oklahoma in Dallas. That should be pretty good too.

Showtime100
10-07-2012, 02:01 PM
Do you have a favorite college team or is it just whomever is playing Texas each week?

Houston, thank you.

I rarely say anything about Texas in a mean-spirit and I'm not kidding. Sometimes it is mean-spirited but mostly it's simple truth. Problem is Longhorn fans take it as mean-spirited because they think they are God's gift to the world. I say things about many schools including Houston but Longhorn fans are by far the whiniest about criticism. Same goes when you are visiting DKR Stadium. Worst fans in the nation as far as I've encountered.

JC, are you telling me you think Texas is a better football team than WV??? (lol)

Stemp
10-07-2012, 02:24 PM
West Va looked great and UT looked like they are a year away from being something special.
:toast2:

Texas fans were saying that last year too. :ant:

JCTexan
10-07-2012, 07:47 PM
Houston, thank you.

I rarely say anything about Texas in a mean-spirit and I'm not kidding. Sometimes it is mean-spirited but mostly it's simple truth. Problem is Longhorn fans take it as mean-spirited because they think they are God's gift to the world. I say things about many schools including Houston but Longhorn fans are by far the whiniest about criticism. Same goes when you are visiting DKR Stadium. Worst fans in the nation as far as I've encountered.

JC, are you telling me you think Texas is a better football team than WV??? (lol)

Better? No. I just didn't think either team looked superior/inferior last night.

Texecutioner
10-07-2012, 08:13 PM
Houston, thank you.

I rarely say anything about Texas in a mean-spirit and I'm not kidding. Sometimes it is mean-spirited but mostly it's simple truth. Problem is Longhorn fans take it as mean-spirited because they think they are God's gift to the world. I say things about many schools including Houston but Longhorn fans are by far the whiniest about criticism. Same goes when you are visiting DKR Stadium. Worst fans in the nation as far as I've encountered.

JC, are you telling me you think Texas is a better football team than WV??? (lol)

You're bashing Longhorns fans in this very post though. One minute you say you aren't being mean spirited, but then turn right around and scoff at every UT fan. Exaggeration much? This very website is pretty strong proof that Longhorn fans get bashed enough without having to say or do a thing. Not that there aren't a ton of UT fans out there that don't warrant this, but several of you in here chime in to every UT thread that exists just to say this same thing over and over again. We get it, you guys think that the Longhorn fans are a bunch of snobs and over zealous fans. Fine, but don't sit here and turn your nose up when UT fans are excited about a win, a great game, or when they're discussing the team's improvements. The Aggies fans in here are hilarious with this. They're in every Longhorns thread taking a shot at the team or the fans every chance they get.

Hookem Horns
10-07-2012, 09:16 PM
Problem is Longhorn fans take it as mean-spirited because they think they are God's gift to the world. I say things about many schools including Houston but Longhorn fans are by far the whiniest about criticism. Same goes when you are visiting DKR Stadium. Worst fans in the nation as far as I've encountered.


I don't disagree with some of what you are saying. However, I am going to give you something to think about. Most intolerable Longhorns fans I have met or know are also Cowboys fans. I would venture to say that the majority of the LH fanbase are also Cowboys fans.

I have seen it in many friends I have who are Longhorns/Cowboys fans. Most of the ones that were making me ill about VY and becoming Titans fans because of VY were also Cowboys fans.

It's apparently natural for them to act the same way about the team they root on Saturdays as the one they root for on Sundays.

However maybe we are a minority but there are a good amount of UT fans that grew up Oilers fans and are now Texans fans. We don't have that Cowboy fan mentality with our college team.

My point is there is no need to stomp on UT fans here because we are not the Cowboy fan types that you hate so much. Go bash away on Shaggy or some Cowboys board where it is often deserved.

axman40
10-07-2012, 10:02 PM
Texas fans were saying that last year too. :ant:
Not the ones I talk to.
:thinking:

axman40
10-13-2012, 08:01 AM
It's time for Elmer Fudd to say "Red River Rivalry"

How Texas will win
The Longhorns have to get the ball moving on the ground early. If Bergeron sees plenty of carries and averages more than five yards per rush, Texas will move the ball well. If they can use that success to set up the pass, Ash will have a decent time spreading the ball, too.
If Ash can stay as consistent and accurate as he has been to this point, he will find holes in the Sooner defense. Note the "if," though. That will be much easier said than done against that secondary. The windows he does find, if he finds them, will be very tight.
Defensively, Texas will need to get constant pressure on Jones and force him to hurry. On the ground, they need to look for the strip. Put the ball on the ground. If they can do that more than once, the Longhorns have a chance.
How Oklahoma will win
For the Sooners, finding open holes in the Texas secondary is key. They need big blocking up front and a solid pocket to give Jones the time he needs. Disciplined route-running and accurate passing will set the tone for the Oklahoma offense.
The running backs will need to hang onto the ball. A high turnover game will favor Texas in this contest and cripple the Sooners. Possession and field position will be the bread and butter for Oklahoma.
When Texas has the ball, the Sooners will want to focus on the run. If they can force Texas into passing situations, it works in favor of Oklahoma. A shootout-type of game is exactly what the Sooners want. If the scoring gets high, look for Oklahoma to be on top.
http://www.examiner.com/article/2012-at-t-red-river-rivalry-game-looks-like-a-heavyweight-matchup
:doot:

rmartin65
10-13-2012, 12:12 PM
Who else is enjoying the game? Boomer! Sooners!

NastyNate
10-13-2012, 12:20 PM
Wow, Oklahoma is laying the wood to UT. Sooners look great.

kiwitexansfan
10-13-2012, 12:25 PM
Just turned the game on, saw the score, was like "wow!".

Then saw the clock and was like "WOW!!!".

NastyNate
10-13-2012, 12:26 PM
Just turned the game on, saw the score, was like "wow!".

Then saw the clock and was like "WOW!!!".

Man it's rough for UT, they showed a stat at the beginning of the 2nd quarter, 300+ yards Sooners, 14 yards for UT.

GlassHalfFull
10-13-2012, 12:27 PM
Man it's rough for UT, they showed a stat at the beginning of the 2nd quarter, 300+ yards Sooners, 14 yards for UT.

http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af306/capncapecod15/bam.jpg

Playoffs
10-13-2012, 12:33 PM
.....http://b.dryicons.com/images/icon_sets/coquette_part_5_icons_set/png/128x128/orange_arrow_down.pngLonghorns
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff30/BarkingCarnival/Barking%20Carnival%20III/f70a82a4.jpghttp://ceoaccelerationquiz.com/images/arrow_red_left_up.gifSooners

NastyNate
10-13-2012, 12:35 PM
What do you expect when your offense can't sustain a drive? That Texas defense has been on the field over 20 minutes this half... ugly.

IDEXAN
10-13-2012, 01:19 PM
3rd Q score: 36 - 2; Boomer-Sooners !
Yea UT screwed up the Big 12, now they still can't compete with the good teams there. Sorry-Azz outfit, serves them right !

NastyNate
10-13-2012, 01:25 PM
Wow, UT pick 6 and misses the PAT. :vincepalm:

TexanSam
10-13-2012, 01:25 PM
Geez, what as ass whoopin. Texas goes toe-to-toe with a great West Virginia team and now they lay this clunker.

Goldensilence
10-13-2012, 01:45 PM
3rd Q score: 36 - 2; Boomer-Sooners !
Yea UT screwed up the Big 12, now they still can't compete with the good teams there. Sorry-Azz outfit, serves them right !

They were a tip here or there from beating WVU last week. This week, no excuses, except for Manny's Diaz's defense is not tackling at all. On FB I've proposed they put Bevo on the DL...would clog up the rushing lanes.

I don't get the calls for UT ruining the Big 12, every college in the Big 12 continually voted for the uneven revenue sharing model every time it came to a vote. Also the conference as a whole should've been able to get a network together or a good TV deal, which they did last year finally.

In terms of the Big 12 right now it probably has the most quality depth of any conference outside the SEC.

With OU likely headed to the win and could be vaulted back into the top 10. It'd have 3 teams in the top 10. Even with A&M and Mizzou leaving the conference got two equally good programs in WVU and TCU.

The two biggest front runners in the Hesiman are from the Big 12 right now in Geno Smith and Colin Klein.

Hookem Horns
10-13-2012, 02:16 PM
Need a new slogan in Austin .. "Whack Mack"

GlassHalfFull
10-13-2012, 02:21 PM
http://i.imgur.com/rEOPE.gif

Dan B.
10-13-2012, 02:23 PM
Need a new slogan in Austin .. "Whack Mack"

He's definitely on the hot seat.

Hookem Horns
10-13-2012, 02:28 PM
http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1246453/neau4z_medium.gif

Mr. White
10-13-2012, 02:30 PM
The Mack Brown Farewell Tour is underway. :vincepalm:

Hookem Horns
10-13-2012, 02:32 PM
LOL .. they just pulled the game off the air here in Florida. They switched to the Tech / West Virginia game.

ESAD2-14
10-13-2012, 02:52 PM
This UT defense is horrible. It's 2010 Texans/Frank Bush bad. I quit watching it when OU scored that 95 yard run, I knew right then that UT defense was going to do jack today. It is starting to look like a change needs to be made, there is no excuse for Texas to be this bad with the supposedly great recruiting classes they have.

Texecutioner
10-13-2012, 03:08 PM
He's definitely on the hot seat.

Why would he be on the hot seat? He should have been fired after he was the biggest under achiever in the Applewhite/Simms days. I used to get so fired up over these types of losses, but I just expect them with Mack Brown.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, he is a great recruiter. We all know that, but as a game day coach, he has never scared anyone and Oklahoma fans have always wanted Mack and Greg Davis there for a reason. When your main rival doesn't want your coach to go anywhere, it's usually pretty obvious why.

Mack will coach Texas as long as he wants unfortunately. I was forced to accept that many years ago.

Stemp
10-13-2012, 03:13 PM
Why would he be on the hot seat? He should have been fired after he was the biggest under achiever in the Applewhite/Simms days. I used to get so fired up over these types of losses, but I just expect them with Mack Brown.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, he is a great recruiter. We all know that, but as a game day coach, he has never scared anyone and Oklahoma fans have always wanted Mack and Greg Davis there for a reason. When your main rival doesn't want your coach to go anywhere, it's usually pretty obvious why.

Mack will coach Texas as long as he wants unfortunately. I was forced to accept that many years ago.

Mack will be forced to retire by the bigwigs. He's already used up the "changing coordinators" bit and now it's just on him.

They may yet lose to Baylor, Tech and/or TCU.

kiwitexansfan
10-13-2012, 03:16 PM
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he is a great recruiter.

Shouldn't any coach at Texas be a good recruiter based on the fact that you coach at the University of Texas?

I don't know a whole lot of college football history but I would of thought certain schools would recruit well just because of who they are?

Texecutioner
10-13-2012, 03:23 PM
Mack will be forced to retire by the bigwigs. He's already used up the "changing coordinators" bit and now it's just on him.

They may yet lose to Baylor, Tech and/or TCU.

I would love for that to be true, but you're way off. Mack is a god at UT for some reason, and the athletic department cherishes the guy. Mack's been the biggest joke of a game day coach in college for like 12 years. He was going to walk when they first tried to fire Greg Davis before VY got there and Mack was going to walk until VY saved their jobs. VY didn't play like the freak he was in college until he was left alone and wasn't really coached. That ought to tell you a lot. The Horns couldn't go anywhere after VY left until Muschamp got there and got that entire team playing with intensity and with a chip on their shoulder. It was very similar to how the Texans under achieved and Wade came in and changed things. It was no surprise that the Longhorns have been garbage still since Muschamp left. I couldn't wait to see Muschamp as their next HC, but then Meyer had to leave Florida for the 10th time and Florida got him away from us.

Mack will coach at Texas as long as he wants.

Texecutioner
10-13-2012, 03:25 PM
Shouldn't any coach at Texas be a good recruiter based on the fact that you coach at the University of Texas?

I don't know a whole lot of college football history but I would of thought certain schools would recruit well just because of who they are?

No, it isn't that simple. If it was, Mackovich would have done that and he didn't. Mack can recruit like a MOFO. But yeah, at this point as long as Texas hired a big name HC pretty much any big name HC could recruit fairly easily there. Mack Brown is the perfect guy to lead the athletic department and that is where he has always belonged, but if he wants to coach, they're not going to push him out. Maybe if he stinks for another two seasons, but that is a ways away.

MojoMan
10-13-2012, 03:41 PM
The first half played by Texas might just be the worst collective effort by a football team that I have ever seen at any level. The second half was atrocious as well. This was a complete meltdown by the Texas Longhorns, especially following a nice win against Oklahoma State, and a competitive showing against #5 West Virginia last week. And now with two conference losses, the Longhorns appear to be out of the running for any of the top bowl games. What a debacle.

But how much fun for all the UT haters in our midst. You guys enjoy this one. The Texas Longhorns will return. Unfortunately, I can't even pretend to know exactly when.

jaayteetx
10-13-2012, 03:46 PM
I like the horns but its fun to imagine all the VY jock sniffers suffering right now.

Dutchrudder
10-13-2012, 03:46 PM
Look at it this way, losing another game or two would put you guys in line to come meet A&M in the Cotton Bowl this year so we can enjoy the best rivalry in Texas! :D

Texecutioner
10-13-2012, 03:56 PM
But how much fun for all the UT haters in our midst. You guys enjoy this one. The Texas Longhorns will return. Unfortunately, I can't even pretend to know exactly when.

THis last part is pretty funny Mojo. It sounds to me like you don't allow yourself to get so emotionally invested into the Horns anymore like I used to. I always expect this kind of thing at any moment with Mack at the helm, so luckily it doesn't chap my hide the way it used to. The only time it does is when everything is going so well like it was when Muschamp was here and Mack's ineptitude screws it up. A lot of people over looked how bad Mack Brown was in that Big 12 championship game a few years ago in McCoy's last season here where Mack almost completely blew the game at the end with the worst clock management I had ever seen in my life. It put the kicker in the worst "clutch" type of situation and I was so happy that the poor kid didn't blow it, but I wouldn't have blamed him if he did. Mack is awful. Always has been. I always have wondered how many trophies and Big 12 championships the Horns would have if Stoops and Mack were swapped around?

Texecutioner
10-13-2012, 03:56 PM
Look at it this way, losing another game or two would put you guys in line to come meet A&M in the Cotton Bowl this year so we can enjoy the best rivalry in Texas! :D

That wouldn't be to bad. I might root for that very thing to happen. Ha ha!! Nice idea Dutch. :splits:

Stemp
10-13-2012, 04:01 PM
Look at it this way, losing another game or two would put you guys in line to come meet A&M in the Cotton Bowl this year so we can enjoy the best rivalry in Texas! :D

They are pretty much out of the running for the Cotton Bowl.

KSU - BCS
WV/OU - BCS
OU/WV - Cotton

Dutchrudder
10-13-2012, 05:22 PM
They are pretty much out of the running for the Cotton Bowl.

KSU - BCS
WV/OU - BCS
OU/WV - Cotton

In 2010 Texas A&M was definitely not the second or third best team in the conference, yet they were selected to play against LSU. They were at best 5th overall in the conference, behind Nebraska, Missouri, OU and OSU, all 10+ win teams. I think the selection process is much less rigid than you are assuming. Matchups and ticket sales seem to trump conference ranking.

The SEC has more leeway in the Cotton Bowl selection process (3/4/5th best team in conf), so there's a good chance they will have an opportunity to matchup. WVU looks like it will lose to Tech today, and they still have some tough games in KSU, OU and @OSU to play. If OU drops a game or two and KSU rolls, UT could tie for 2nd with one or two teams. They might lose the tiebreaker, but I'm not sure if that figures into the selection or not. There is still a lot of football to play this season, so we shall see, but don't be surprised to see these two match up at the end of the season in Dallas.

Mr teX
10-13-2012, 05:59 PM
Loved every minute of it....

Playoffs
10-13-2012, 06:18 PM
Doesn't make things look any better...

West Virginia #5 (5-1) --. 14
Texas Tech (5-1) ------- 49

Stemp
10-13-2012, 08:05 PM
In 2010 Texas A&M was definitely not the second or third best team in the conference, yet they were selected to play against LSU. They were at best 5th overall in the conference, behind Nebraska, Missouri, OU and OSU, all 10+ win teams. I think the selection process is much less rigid than you are assuming. Matchups and ticket sales seem to trump conference ranking.

The SEC has more leeway in the Cotton Bowl selection process (3/4/5th best team in conf), so there's a good chance they will have an opportunity to matchup. WVU looks like it will lose to Tech today, and they still have some tough games in KSU, OU and @OSU to play. If OU drops a game or two and KSU rolls, UT could tie for 2nd with one or two teams. They might lose the tiebreaker, but I'm not sure if that figures into the selection or not. There is still a lot of football to play this season, so we shall see, but don't be surprised to see these two match up at the end of the season in Dallas.
First, non-BCS bowls can pick from any bowl eligible team BUT they cannot choose pick below a team who is more than 1 conference win behind another school. So, for 2010 A&M was tied with 6-2 conference record with OU, OSU, Neb and Missouri, which allowed them to be picked for the Cotton Bowl.

Now, CAN Texas still get picked for the Cotton Bowl, yes, I suppose it's possible, but it's highly unlikely, especially since it doesn't seem like the B12 is going to get more than 1 team into the BCS and Texas still has to play Baylor, Tech (who beat WV), TCU and KSU (which is a likely loss).

Really, the only way Texas gets to the Cotton is if Texas wins out and A&M gets picked as well.

Showtime100
10-13-2012, 08:07 PM
Showtime, the HATER, said nothing.. :thinking:

Texecutioner
10-13-2012, 08:41 PM
Showtime, the HATER, said nothing.. :thinking:

Go right on ahead and get your digs in Showtime. You know you want to.


After the Horns put a performance like this against their main rival, they deserve it. Fling away. :gun:

MojoMan
10-13-2012, 10:18 PM
Showtime, the HATER, said nothing.. :thinking:

However, with that one post, the gloating is being transmitted loud and clear.

:kitten:

axman40
10-13-2012, 11:18 PM
Showtime, the HATER, said nothing.. :thinking:
Laughing too hard?
:doot:

Doppelganger
10-14-2012, 08:09 PM
Sorry wrong place.