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ThaShark316
08-16-2012, 11:54 AM
John McClain ‏@McClain_on_NFL

Texans have reached contract agreement with OT Duane Brown.

Heath Shuler
08-16-2012, 11:55 AM
excellent news

eriadoc
08-16-2012, 11:56 AM
If you're going to build through the draft, you have to keep the picks you hit on. Good job, team.

drs23
08-16-2012, 11:56 AM
Allrighty then. Most important piece is locked up. Now onto Conner Barwin.

Brisco_County
08-16-2012, 11:56 AM
Well this made my week.

alphajoker
08-16-2012, 11:56 AM
hell. yeah.

JCTexan
08-16-2012, 11:57 AM
This is great news!

Heath Shuler
08-16-2012, 11:58 AM
Not official, but Brown said they've been talking RT @McClain_on_NFL: Texans have reached contract agreement with OT Duane Brown

Nick Scurfield ‏@NickScurfield

Dutchrudder
08-16-2012, 11:58 AM
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TheBigpaki
08-16-2012, 12:06 PM
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The Pencil Neck
08-16-2012, 12:06 PM
Bam!

And there it is.

I'm not as worried about Connor Barwin as I was about Duane. This is excellent news.

TheBigpaki
08-16-2012, 12:06 PM
Nick Scurfield ‏@NickScurfield

I hope Pancakes is right.

disaacks3
08-16-2012, 12:06 PM
Nice to have it done before the season starts. Big contract for a Bad, bad man!

rmartin65
08-16-2012, 12:08 PM
Hell yea! I wonder what the numbers are...

drs23
08-16-2012, 12:12 PM
Hell yea! I wonder what the numbers are...

Big. They're big. More than his weight in Troy Ounces in gold. :)

Bleed_Blu_Red
08-16-2012, 12:12 PM
Very nice! Got to have the anchor

Corrosion
08-16-2012, 12:13 PM
If you're going to build through the draft, you have to keep the picks you hit on. Good job, team.

Yeah .... but they have hit on so many , I wonder how they keep them all.

Playoffs
08-16-2012, 12:13 PM
Gotta give Rick Smith his due. :clap:

TexansBlood
08-16-2012, 12:13 PM
:trophy:

76Texan
08-16-2012, 12:14 PM
http://www.vh1.com/celebrity/bwe/images/2011/02/OPRAH-CAR-GIF.gif

LOL, nice!

Ryan
08-16-2012, 12:16 PM
:hurrah:

texanhead08
08-16-2012, 12:25 PM
Great news now onto Barwin and Quinn.

GP
08-16-2012, 12:25 PM
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Doppelganger
08-16-2012, 12:35 PM
Yeah .... but they have hit on so many , I wonder how they keep them all.

You gotta keep the core together:

1) Gotta have a high level QB
2) Gotta have a high level LT to protect QB
3) Gotta have a high level OLB/DE to rush the QB
4) Gotta have a high level RB to the presssure off the O
5) Gotta have a high level CB to take away the opponent's best receiver.
6) Gotta have a high level receiver

Doppelganger
08-16-2012, 12:35 PM
http://www.vh1.com/celebrity/bwe/images/2011/02/OPRAH-CAR-GIF.gif

Is that an Oprah audience?

Carr Bombed
08-16-2012, 12:38 PM
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Damn :brickwall: even cartoon white guys can't dance.

chicagotexan2
08-16-2012, 12:39 PM
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rush2112mn
08-16-2012, 12:47 PM
I have said this before.....those who have been a fan of the team since 2002......remember how desperate we were to find that left tackle.....remember how frustrated we all were that Boselli never worked out.....
Now to know we have got Duane Brown locked up this is great. I am happy as hell.....great news.....credit to Rick Smith and Mr. Chris Olsen for getting it done....congrats......:hurrah::texanbill::whip:

euro-Texan
08-16-2012, 12:50 PM
If he was only due $2 Million this year, won't his new deal push us even closer to our cap limit making it less likely to give Barwin a payday this year?

euro-Texan
08-16-2012, 12:52 PM
I have said this before.....those who have been a fan of the team since 2002......remember how desperate we were to find that left tackle.....remember how frustrated we all were that Boselli never worked out.....
Now to know we have got Duane Brown locked up this is great. I am happy as hell.....great news.....credit to Rick Smith and Mr. Chris Olsen for getting it done....congrats......:hurrah::texanbill::whip:

Yes, I remember Orlando Pace playing us to get his contract elsewhere. A lot of players have used us to bolster negotiations, but that one hurt the most.

MightyTExan
08-16-2012, 12:55 PM
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Dutchrudder
08-16-2012, 12:56 PM
If he was only due $2 Million this year, won't his new deal push us even closer to our cap limit making it less likely to give Barwin a payday this year?

No, you can't modify rookie deals. Everything that is in his contract will apply to the 2013 season and for however many years after that it runs. Signing bonus will be paid as soon as he inks the deal, but will only count against the cap during the years specified in the deal. It is possible for the Texans to put some of his signing bonus into this year, but it's really a moot point given the cap roll over system.

Anyone got the numbers on it yet? I heard Ryan Clady turned down 5 years 50 million with ~28 gtd from the Broncos a few weeks ago. It will be interesting to see where Brown winds up in relation to other deals.

Thorn
08-16-2012, 12:59 PM
Who's Duane Brown?

IDEXAN
08-16-2012, 01:00 PM
I bet that little scare with the bruised knee Duane got in practice the other day made it a little easier for the Texans to close this deal ? Not saying Duane was any less valuable, but he maybe was thinking about
what would happen if he got a real injury before a new contract was inked ?

Playoffs
08-16-2012, 01:04 PM
Who's Duane Brown?

Ask James Harrison.

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/738785/j_harrison_111005_IA.jpg

chicagotexan2
08-16-2012, 01:11 PM
Ask James Harrison.

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/738785/j_harrison_111005_IA.jpg

And this was while wearing a helmet. Duane Brown is a bad man.

Thorn
08-16-2012, 01:13 PM
Ask James Harrison.

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/738785/j_harrison_111005_IA.jpg

LOL

Hopefully this is real and it happens, because we need him.

chicagotexan2
08-16-2012, 01:22 PM
LOL

Hopefully this is real and it happens, because we need him.

I didn't know Jitterbug phone received media? Are your voice mails in morse code?

IlliniJen
08-16-2012, 01:23 PM
Is that an Oprah audience?

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badboy
08-16-2012, 01:41 PM
NA NA NA NA, NA NA NA NA hey hey; THINK I'M GONNA CRY.

Texan_Touchdown
08-16-2012, 01:42 PM
You gotta keep the core together:

1) Gotta have a high level QB
2) Gotta have a high level LT to protect QB
3) Gotta have a high level OLB/DE to rush the QB
4) Gotta have a high level RB to the presssure off the O
5) Gotta have a high level CB to take away the opponent's best receiver.
6) Gotta have a high level receiver

don't forget kicker.

srrono
08-16-2012, 01:49 PM
John McClain ‏@McClain_on_NFL
Brown's new deal starts in 2013 and runs through 2018. He makes $2.08 million this season.

@McClain_on_NFL: Duane Brown signed 6-year $53.4 million extension. $22.08 guaranteed. $8.9 million average.

buddyboy
08-16-2012, 01:51 PM
That feeling? The equivalent of a 6-year sigh of relief.

b0ng
08-16-2012, 01:56 PM
6 years less than 9mil a year? That seems like a good deal.

Section516
08-16-2012, 02:00 PM
Got a good deal.

On August 22, 2011 Thomas and the Cleveland Browns agreed to a 7-year $84 million extension with almost $44 million guaranteed

Long's in a contract year, and he's going to want at least the $92 million over eight seasons that Joe Thomas got from Cleveland.

http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/nfl/4712/jake-long

wolf123
08-16-2012, 02:03 PM
That is an absolute steal!!! I can't believe we locked up a top 3 LT for that.:whip::hurrah:

Blake
08-16-2012, 02:10 PM
Great news. Time for a celebration beer.

hobie
08-16-2012, 02:12 PM
And he is one this weeks ticket as well..nice !!

Dutchrudder
08-16-2012, 02:14 PM
John McClain ‏@McClain_on_NFL
Brown's new deal starts in 2013 and runs through 2018. He makes $2.08 million this season.

@McClain_on_NFL: Duane Brown signed 6-year $53.4 million extension. $22.08 guaranteed. $8.9 million average.

That is incredible. I thought he would get 10 a year. I can't believe Ryan Clady turned down 5 years, 50 million with 28 gtd, what a doof. I think Duane Brown will be a Texan the rest of his career, he clearly cares more about the team than a few million here and there.

Comparables:

Washington's Trent Williams got 6 years 60 million, 37 gtd, last year.

Carolina's Jordan Gross got 6 years 60 million in 2009.

Philly's Jason Peters got 6 years 60 million in 2011 with 25 gtd.

Miami's Jake Long got 5 years 57 million, 30 gtd, in 2009.

infantrycak
08-16-2012, 02:18 PM
Anyone got the numbers on it yet?

Rotoworld has it different than McClain - 7 year deal, $56.2 mil, $22.008 guaranteed. If true that is barely over $8 mil per year.

dinkatoid
08-16-2012, 02:20 PM
Comparables:

Washington's Trent Williams got 6 years 60 million, 37 gtd, last year.

Carolina's Jordan Gross got 6 years 60 million in 2009.

Philly's Jason Peters got 6 years 60 million in 2011 with 25 gtd.

Miami's Jake Long got 5 years 57 million, 30 gtd, in 2009.

Jake Long and Trent Williams are a different monster, as they were both rookie deals. Back before the cap, the rookie contracts were getting outrageous (Bradford got $50 mil guaranteed). I wouldn't really count those in, as some rookies were getting more than solid vets.

As for Brown, being a zone blocker hurts his value a little. More team run power schemes, which makes them worth more. Less people would want Brown, and with Washingout out of the market (due to Williams) and Seattle having drafted Okung, it would have been worth less than he could have. Overall, it was a good time for us (bad for him) to hit the market I think. Still, props to him for signing without some holdout or trying to drive up his value.

wolf123
08-16-2012, 02:25 PM
As for Brown, being a zone blocker hurts his value a little. More team run power schemes, which makes them worth more. Less people would want Brown, and with Washingout out of the market (due to Williams) and Seattle having drafted Okung, it would have been worth less than he could have. Overall, it was a good time for us (bad for him) to hit the market I think. Still, props to him for signing without some holdout or trying to drive up his value.

I don't think Brown being a zone blocker hurts his value at all. He would be excellent in a power running scheme as well. Had he hit free agency he would make much more then he got on this contract.

Dutchrudder
08-16-2012, 02:36 PM
Jake Long and Trent Williams are a different monster, as they were both rookie deals. Back before the cap, the rookie contracts were getting outrageous (Bradford got $50 mil guaranteed). I wouldn't really count those in, as some rookies were getting more than solid vets.

As for Brown, being a zone blocker hurts his value a little. More team run power schemes, which makes them worth more. Less people would want Brown, and with Washingout out of the market (due to Williams) and Seattle having drafted Okung, it would have been worth less than he could have. Overall, it was a good time for us (bad for him) to hit the market I think. Still, props to him for signing without some holdout or trying to drive up his value.

Well, Long and Williams are among the highest paid LTs. Joe Thomas, Gross and Peters round out the rest of the top 5. It's all relative, but you can see where the market is on LTs, and it seems we got Brown at a discount. Even the Patriots guard Logan Mankins got 6 years 51 million last year, so I'd say we did very well.

Cutblock
08-16-2012, 02:38 PM
Roger Clemens is in the booth!:texanbill::texanbill::texanbill:

Playoffs
08-16-2012, 02:40 PM
Rotoworld has it different than McClain - 7 year deal, $56.2 mil, $22.008 guaranteed. If true that is barely over $8 mil per year.
I think it's a 6 year extension beginning in 2013.

badboy
08-16-2012, 02:41 PM
Rotoworld has it different than McClain - 7 year deal, $56.2 mil, $22.008 guaranteed. If true that is barely over $8 mil per year.That would include this season, I think.

thunderkyss
08-16-2012, 02:52 PM
No, you can't modify rookie deals. Everything that is in his contract will apply to the 2013 season and for however many years after that it runs. Signing bonus will be paid as soon as he inks the deal, but will only count against the cap during the years specified in the deal. It is possible for the Texans to put some of his signing bonus into this year, but it's really a moot point given the cap roll over system.

Anyone got the numbers on it yet? I heard Ryan Clady turned down 5 years 50 million with ~28 gtd from the Broncos a few weeks ago. It will be interesting to see where Brown winds up in relation to other deals.

Thanks Dutch, this was the info I was missing. I thought they were going to have to go back to the restructuring well to make room.

Still, wouldn't be a bad idea to try to restructure Antonio Smith this year, lock him up with a smaller cap hit.

False Start
08-16-2012, 02:57 PM
Great fricking news! :stonecold:

Now, lets get Barwin locked up!

thunderkyss
08-16-2012, 03:13 PM
Well, Long and Williams are among the highest paid LTs. Joe Thomas, Gross and Peters round out the rest of the top 5. It's all relative, but you can see where the market is on LTs, and it seems we got Brown at a discount. Even the Patriots guard Logan Mankins got 6 years 51 million last year, so I'd say we did very well.

So is Brown a sucker?

Surely his agent would have told him he could get a better deal... unless there are some accelerators that would make this worth while.

DexmanC
08-16-2012, 03:18 PM
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Lima Time!??

This is excellent news!

HTown2ATX
08-16-2012, 03:28 PM
Great news! Love how Arian and Brown were able to be signed at non-astronomical amounts. Seems like they value winning as well as money, feel like they got fair deals and wants to stay in a good situation to possibly win here than go to some toilet bowl of a franchise like a Cleveland or something.

Sidenote: How in the hell did the Browns dup someone into paying in the BILLIONS for the pile??

Dutchrudder
08-16-2012, 03:32 PM
So is Brown a sucker?

Surely his agent would have told him he could get a better deal... unless there are some accelerators that would make this worth while.

No, I didn't say anything like that. I said we (Texans) got a discount on his services, he's still being paid well enough. If he were to hit free agency (probably would be f-tagged though), he could have made at least 10 a year from teams with lots of cap space, like the Bills, Jags, Colts, Bengals etc. A lot of teams are going to have to spend extra next offseason to meet the 90% cap minimum, so the market will be very good for players at premium positions. It will be a player's market next year.

Double Barrel
08-16-2012, 03:39 PM
Gotta give Rick Smith his due. :clap:

My thoughts, as well. Smith has taken his fair share of lumps, so we have to give him props when he does something fantastical like this news.

Awesome! Congrats to D.B. and hopefully a lifelong Texan protecting our QBs blindside. :dancer::texanbill::smiliedance::hurrah:

Allstar
08-16-2012, 03:40 PM
So is Brown a sucker?

Surely his agent would have told him he could get a better deal... unless there are some accelerators that would make this worth while.

Maybe he's just following Arian's example and accepting a good but not great offer which allows the Texans more flexibility to keep other players.

Playoffs
08-16-2012, 03:52 PM
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e316/Soizic22/a%20smilie/laugh-1.gif
A good read:
Pancaking the Dallas Cowboys: Jerry Jones boils as Duane Brown's $53.4 million contract extension continues Texans' roll (http://houston.culturemap.com/newsdetail/08-16-12-pancaking-the-dallas-cowboys-jerry-jones-boils-as-duane-brown-53-million-contract-extension-continues-texans-roll/)

It's good to be a Houston Texan.

And you don't even have to be Duane Brown, the priceless left tackle who is now signed to a pricey new contract extension (try $53.4 million over six years) with the team, one that will keep the 26-year-old in Houston for the prime of his career. Brown's deal is just the latest sign of how everything is rolling along for the franchise that's been perceived as the secondary NFL team in Texas for the length of its existence.

While the marketing machine Dallas Cowboys sputter about — looking absolutely inept while threatening to get Tony Romo killed in a 3-0 preseason win, dealing with a wide receiver arrested for allegedly beating up his own mother, waging a silly debate in the media (what else is new in Dallas?) between owner and coach about what the team's expectations should be this season — the Texans quietly get business done.

It's like the difference between Kim Kardashian and Warren Buffett.

One makes a lot of noise and lives for the headlines. The other actually accomplishes something...

read more: http://houston.culturemap.com/newsdetail/08-16-12-pancaking-the-dallas-cowboys-jerry-jones-boils-as-duane-brown-53-million-contract-extension-continues-texans-roll/

Insideop
08-16-2012, 04:00 PM
Maybe he's just following Arian's example and accepting a good but not great offer which allows the Texans more flexibility to keep other players.

I would like to think that's the reason AF and DB signed these friendly contracts. After all, what good is it to get a huge contract if the team has to cut some of it's better players because they can't afford them all? Heck, Foster didn't get all he could've gotten, and we still had to release or cut a number of good players because of the cap. I think the Texans are playing it right. Sign your key players to good deals, release who you can't sign, then draft to fill in the holes.

Wolf6151
08-16-2012, 04:38 PM
Outstanding news, props to Rick Smith for getting this done and for a price that's good for both sides.

As for Barwin, I think we have more leverage on him due to our depth at the OLB position and ability to draft that position well. While I very much want to extend Barwin as well, I want it for a reasonable price tag. I think we'll get that deal done as well, as I don't see Barwin as the type to squeeze us for every nickle he can get. Hopefully these guys realize we're trying to put together a team to make several deep playoff/Super Bowl runs.

bckey
08-16-2012, 05:14 PM
Unbelievable steal of a deal! Duane clearly believes in the Texans and wants to stay. And yes, I must give Rick Smith his due. But Duane deserves just as much love for signing the deal. It means he wants to be here.

bhsman
08-16-2012, 05:59 PM
I wonder if the fact that Houston is considered a Superbowl contender or at least has the window open is a reason Brown was willing to take less money than everyone was expecting.

Corrosion
08-16-2012, 06:01 PM
I wonder if the fact that Houston is considered a Superbowl contender or at least has the window open is a reason Brown was willing to take less money than everyone was expecting.

Thats likely a part of it. This team is absolutely loaded top to bottom with talent .... I could see other players taking slightly smaller deals to play for a contender .... not significantly smaller but smaller.

Nothing replaces a Superbowl Ring at the end of a career.

kiwitexansfan
08-16-2012, 07:33 PM
Smithiak, kicking butt and taking names.

I take good players taking 'discounts' as a sign of a good organisation.

Texan_Bill
08-16-2012, 07:35 PM
I meant to post this earlier today (whenever I first found out)... :texanbill:

TheMatrix31
08-16-2012, 07:52 PM
Great freakin' news. Can't believe I missed this when I woke up.

Texan_Bill
08-16-2012, 08:04 PM
Great fricking news! :stonecold:

Now, lets get Barwin locked up!

Hey Bro, I'm sorry but I think Barwin will be the salary cap casualty that all "GOOD" teams have to experience.


YES!! I said "GOOD" teams!!! :texanbill:

Goldensilence
08-16-2012, 11:56 PM
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8275470/houston-texans-duane-brown-agrees-multiyear-contract-extension

Reported numbers are great for both sides. Brown gets a nice bump and Texans get a cap friendly contract.

Look, I hate to bring it up...sorta, but Foster and Brown's deals combined > Williams.

drs23
08-17-2012, 12:06 AM
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8275470/houston-texans-duane-brown-agrees-multiyear-contract-extension

Reported numbers are great for both sides. Brown gets a nice bump and Texans get a cap friendly contract.

Look, I hate to bring it up...sorta, but Foster and Brown's deals combined > Williams.

Don't hate on it. You're right. Big time, I think.

Allstar
08-17-2012, 04:49 AM
Here's a question guys... Do you think Duane Brown has HOF potential?

thunderkyss
08-17-2012, 05:19 AM
Here's a question guys... Do you think Duane Brown has HOF potential?

So much goes into all that, it's hard to say. We're pretty stacked for talent, & we've got a great offensive mind on offense (Kubiak) & defense (Wade). We could very well have a dynasty on our hands. If he continues to do what he's been doing, he could definitely be considered off the HOF

False Start
08-17-2012, 06:07 AM
Hey Bro, I'm sorry but I think Barwin will be the salary cap casualty that all "GOOD" teams have to experience.


YES!! I said "GOOD" teams!!! :texanbill:

I think you may be right, but there is still hope.

IDEXAN
08-17-2012, 06:31 AM
How come Brown only gets 22 M guaranteed when Mario gets 50 M, and
Duane is more important to us than Mario ever was ? I don't get it ?

Brisco_County
08-17-2012, 09:47 AM
Alex Gibbs deserves credit for delivering 13 years of solid play at the left tackle position. Brown seemed like a gamble, but Gibbs evaluated him perfectly.

beerlover
08-17-2012, 10:02 AM
Duane Brown is a Texan because he wants to be here & truely believes his team is on the cusp of an extended Super Bowl run. He is a respected community citizen, loves Houston & everything it offers as well friendly Texas tax rates. When you weigh it all out this was a no brainier for all sides involved :goodbad:

Welcome home brother & thanks to pay me Rick :specnatz:

silentassassin
08-17-2012, 10:07 AM
How come Brown only gets 22 M guaranteed when Mario gets 50 M, and
Duane is more important to us than Mario ever was ? I don't get it ?

A premium pass rusher seems to be worth more, and the Bills were willing to go full special and hand over that much cash.

Dutchrudder
08-17-2012, 10:10 AM
How come Brown only gets 22 M guaranteed when Mario gets 50 M, and
Duane is more important to us than Mario ever was ? I don't get it ?

I'm not quite sure on that, but the Bills had a lot of money to spend this year and they wanted to make a big splash. Their pass-rush was really bad last year, so I guess they were willing to pay a premium for "the best pass rusher in the league!" (lol...) I dunno if they truly believe Mario is that, but they sure did pay him like it.

Maybe Brown isn't thought of as well as we think he is. Maybe he is considered a second tier LT and this was the best he could get, but I doubt that. In any case, it's a good deal for both sides and it will make it easier for the Texans to retain Schaub. Most importantly, they just freed up the franchise tag for next offseason.

JB
08-17-2012, 10:35 AM
How come Brown only gets 22 M guaranteed when Mario gets 50 M, and
Duane is more important to us than Mario ever was ? I don't get it ?


Umm, we didn't sign Mario, he was a free agent and had more than one team bidding.

Brown was resigned before he had a chance to hit the open market.

ChampionTexan
08-17-2012, 10:42 AM
I'm not quite sure on that, but the Bills had a lot of money to spend this year and they wanted to make a big splash. Their pass-rush was really bad last year, so I guess they were willing to pay a premium for "the best pass rusher in the league!" (lol...) I dunno if they truly believe Mario is that, but they sure did pay him like it.

Maybe Brown isn't thought of as well as we think he is. Maybe he is considered a second tier LT and this was the best he could get, but I doubt that. In any case, it's a good deal for both sides and it will make it easier for the Texans to retain Schaub. Most importantly, they just freed up the franchise tag for next offseason.

Two more factors I'd throw in (The second one indirectly touches on your point about how highly Brown is thought of).

1. Mario's been a big name in the league ever since the national uproar that resulted from the Texans picking him #1 overall instead of Bush. He's been a frequent subject of national attention since then - mostly in a positive fashion. Correctly or not, he's more highly thought of outside Houston than inside. He plays a sexy stat driven position that when played well and effectively receives a lot of attention from the game announcers. None of those things apply to Duane Brown. Mario will sell tickets - Duane Brown won't

2. Mario's been to two Pro Bowls, he's been Sporting News All Pro twice and AP All Pro (second team) once. Duane's been to no Pro Bowls, and to this point, the only post-season honor he's received is second team AP All Pro. It may not be fair, and in my opinion it doesn't reflect reality, but from a league standpoint, Mario's simply got a stronger resume.

infantrycak
08-17-2012, 10:58 AM
Two more factors I'd throw in (The second one indirectly touches on your point about how highly Brown is thought of).

1. Mario's been a big name in the league ever since the national uproar that resulted from the Texans picking him #1 overall instead of Bush. He's been a frequent subject of national attention since then - mostly in a positive fashion. Correctly or not, he's more highly thought of outside Houston than inside. He plays a sexy stat driven position that when played well and effectively receives a lot of attention from the game announcers. None of those things apply to Duane Brown. Mario will sell tickets - Duane Brown won't

2. Mario's been to two Pro Bowls, he's been Sporting News All Pro twice and AP All Pro (second team) once. Duane's been to no Pro Bowls, and to this point, the only post-season honor he's received is second team AP All Pro. It may not be fair, and in my opinion it doesn't reflect reality, but from a league standpoint, Mario's simply got a stronger resume.

Both good points. To expound on the first one I think the shock of the pick over two sure fire future hall of famers who have since flamed out has raised awareness of Mario. It's funny their failures still get reported on more but virtually every time they mention Mario as a success. Heck by reports may get cut from even being backup QB. In six years the next Gayle Sayers hasn't matched Domanick Davis' 3 year rushing total.

It has also become very popular around here to downplay Mario. If we looked back at the threads most people thought he was robbed not getting in the pro-bowl the year before he did which would make three pro-bowl seasons. He was a pro-bowl level player.

Rey
08-17-2012, 11:21 AM
It has also become very popular around here to downplay Mario. If we looked back at the threads most people thought he was robbed not getting in the pro-bowl the year before he did which would make three pro-bowl seasons. He was a pro-bowl level player.

Yep, and the thing about Mario and to some degree Cushing, is they were good players on bad defenses. The scheme sucked for most of the time those guys were in Texan uniforms yet they still found a way to shine.

That just goes to show the type if talent they have IMO. I really wish Mario could have been healthy all year last season for our benefit. He'd have still left this off season most likely, but he was having a string year.

IDEXAN
08-17-2012, 11:54 AM
A premium pass rusher seems to be worth more, and the Bills were willing to go full special and hand over that much cash.
I think generally speaking a premium LT is as valuable as a premium pass-rusher, OK. However I can see how Duane might not get quite as much as Mario, but not this deep of a discount ? Duane's guaranteed money is less than 50% of Mario's ? Duane and Mario are both about the same age, while Duane clearly has been more durable. Something dosen't add up here ?

ArlingtonTexan
08-17-2012, 12:08 PM
I think generally speaking a premium LT is as valuable as a premium pass-rusher, OK. However I can see how Duane might not get quite as much as Mario, but not this deep of a discount ? Duane's guaranteed money is less than 50% of Mario's ? Duane and Mario are both about the same age, while Duane clearly has been more durable. Something dosen't add up here ?

Simple, In the broad NFL market OLT tackles are not quite paid to the level elite pass rusher are. The other factor is that Mario went to the open market and Brown did not. I am guessing that Brown gets more guaranteed if plays well again and goes free agent. that's why you sign now instead of later.

http://www.spotrac.com/top-salaries/nfl/

DEs

http://www.spotrac.com/top-salaries/nfl/defensive-end/

Tackles

http://www.spotrac.com/top-salaries/nfl/tackle/

Seņor Stan
08-17-2012, 12:22 PM
There is the risk reward factor in re-signing before a deal is up. You maximize your value if you wait until you hit the open market, but run the risk of injury that would jeopardize your big payday. Signing earlier for a bit less helps mitigate that potential damage. It worked out well for Domanick Davis.

Dutchrudder
08-17-2012, 12:31 PM
Yep, and the thing about Mario and to some degree Cushing, is they were good players on bad defenses. The scheme sucked for most of the time those guys were in Texan uniforms yet they still found a way to shine.

That just goes to show the type if talent they have IMO. I really wish Mario could have been healthy all year last season for our benefit. He'd have still left this off season most likely, but he was having a string year.

Yeah, Mario was gone regardless of how much or how well he played, the Texans couldn't have given him a competitive deal anyways. If he had remained healthy, he could have kept Barwin from exploding and getting on the entire league's radar. Aside from finally seeing Mario excel in a great defense, it would have been nice for him to temper Barwin's production and reduce his asking price in 2013. Oh well, can't win 'em all.

Corrosion
08-17-2012, 12:36 PM
Yeah, Mario was gone regardless of how much or how well he played, the Texans couldn't have given him a competitive deal anyways. If he had remained healthy, he could have kept Barwin from exploding and getting on the entire league's radar. Aside from finally seeing Mario excel in a great defense, it would have been nice for him to temper Barwin's production and reduce his asking price in 2013. Oh well, can't win 'em all.

Thats not completely true .... They made him a reasonable offer tho less than the brinks truck Buffalo ended up giving him , it was reasonable for the position.

ObsiWan
08-17-2012, 12:37 PM
Thats not completely true .... They made him a reasonable offer tho less than the brinks truck Buffalo ended up giving him , it was reasonable for the position.

I thought Mario said they never made him an offer...??

The Medic01
08-17-2012, 12:56 PM
I thought Mario said they never made him an offer...??

He also said he wanted to stay in Houston.

Dutchrudder
08-17-2012, 01:14 PM
Thats not completely true .... They made him a reasonable offer tho less than the brinks truck Buffalo ended up giving him , it was reasonable for the position.

What, like 8 million a year? The money we gave Foster? Cause anything more than that might have cost us Meyers too. I don't think they made an offer, and even if they did, they had to know that he was going to get upwards of 80 million over 6 years.

dc_txtech
08-17-2012, 03:09 PM
I thought Mario said they never made him an offer...??

Mario did say that the Texans did not make him an offer.

Allstar
08-17-2012, 03:28 PM
Thats not completely true .... They made him a reasonable offer tho less than the brinks truck Buffalo ended up giving him , it was reasonable for the position.

Where did you get this from? I remember all of us making a big deal out of Mario saying on Twitter that the Texans never made him an offer.

Corrosion
08-17-2012, 04:12 PM
Where did you get this from? I remember all of us making a big deal out of Mario saying on Twitter that the Texans never made him an offer.

I wish I could say I pulled it out of my ass .... but thats not true. I wish I hadnt made the post .... :brickwall:

Maybe John McLain could offer a better answer. :spin:

infantrycak
08-17-2012, 04:44 PM
Mario did say that the Texans did not make him an offer.

Folks play a lot of word games with this stuff. The team may verbally say how about 6 years $80 with this kind of structure but not put it in writing. Then the player goes out and says he never received an offer.

IDEXAN
08-17-2012, 05:07 PM
Simple, In the broad NFL market OLT tackles are not quite paid to the level elite pass rusher are. The other factor is that Mario went to the open market and Brown did not. I am guessing that Brown gets more guaranteed if plays well again and goes free agent. that's why you sign now instead of later.

http://www.spotrac.com/top-salaries/nfl/

DEs

http://www.spotrac.com/top-salaries/nfl/defensive-end/

Tackles

http://www.spotrac.com/top-salaries/nfl/tackle/
I agree with you about all of that, but just not to the extent that Duane has a 55% discount on guaranteed money vs Mario. Even if he gets 30 M instead of 22.5, that's still a 40 % discount to Mario's money. And as we know, Duane has been more durable, he's just not missed much time.

Premier
08-18-2012, 05:37 PM
tbh i was a little worried about his wife's influence on where he could end up playing. i get the impression she is one of those d-lister celebs trying to live a very high-profile lifestyle, duanes own version of lala anthony and we know how that worked out for the city of denver.

Goldensilence
08-18-2012, 05:52 PM
Thats not completely true .... They made him a reasonable offer tho less than the brinks truck Buffalo ended up giving him , it was reasonable for the position.

Maybe they made a verbal offer, but nothing that was official?

I think Dutch is right the Texans just couldn't make a real competitive offer. He had a pretty nice resume and I knew going into the off-season he was going to hit a big paycheck, the big argument was/is if he was going to play up to it.