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ArlingtonTexan
08-27-2012, 08:01 AM
Personal preference. I do watch the league and understand what's going on, but I'm Bruce Matthews old school when it comes to LS. The comment wasn't made out of ignorance as you suggest. Would rather have the backup C/G (whose active on game day) doing it.


It is not a matter of what I or you want, but what the league does. the majority of the league has a dedicated LS who is considered a stating player. The year the Texans used Joel dressen as long snapper as soon as he became more than the 3rd/4th TE the team brought back the guy he replaced.

I want the job done near perfection since a snap that can't be handled is as much if not more a game changer than a muffed punt. Teams seem to think near perfection is better than old days when thye just found somebody to it 'pretty good." i know that Matthews was more than pretty good, but he was even a dinosaur as the last half of his career in terms of how the position was handled.

Point is the NFL as a near whole thinks LS is specialist position worth a roster spot on its own. Bringing up that the LS does nothing else is moot point.

The Pencil Neck
08-27-2012, 11:05 AM
Personal preference. I do watch the league and understand what's going on, but I'm Bruce Matthews old school when it comes to LS. The comment wasn't made out of ignorance as you suggest. Would rather have the backup C/G (whose active on game day) doing it.

Back in the day when the long-snapper wasn't a specialist position, punts, field goals, and extra points were much more of an adventure. Long-snapping is an undervalued position until you wind up with a team that doesn't have anyone that can do it. And when that happens, you're screwed.

I want a specialist in that role. I don't care who he is or if he does anything else on the team. He just can't make mistakes.

Rey
08-27-2012, 11:20 AM
Our long snapper was saved by the holder big time on one of those field goals the other night....

The snap was pretty high and the holder did a hell of a job gathering it and gettign it down in time for the kick.

That was the worst snap I think I've seen from him and it wasn't even as bad as it could've been.

The fact that I noticed that snap is probably a testament to how good he's been.

Corrosion
08-27-2012, 12:07 PM
Our long snapper was saved by the holder big time on one of those field goals the other night....

The snap was pretty high and the holder did a hell of a job gathering it and gettign it down in time for the kick.

That was the worst snap I think I've seen from him and it wasn't even as bad as it could've been.

The fact that I noticed that snap is probably a testament to how good he's been.

Yeah , I saw that too. Thats the second bad snap he's had this preseason , the other was on a punt ... Jones handled it tho.

Same as you , the reason those two plays stick out to me is because we havent seen Weeks make those mistakes in the past.

If he's eating up a roster spot for no other reason than to snap on punts and FG/PAT's .... he's much like Trycycle , he cant be screwing up or he's a waste of that roster space.

ArlingtonTexan
08-27-2012, 04:30 PM
Our long snapper was saved by the holder big time on one of those field goals the other night....

The snap was pretty high and the holder did a hell of a job gathering it and gettign it down in time for the kick.

That was the worst snap I think I've seen from him and it wasn't even as bad as it could've been.

The fact that I noticed that snap is probably a testament to how good he's been.

Yeah , I saw that too. Thats the second bad snap he's had this preseason , the other was on a punt ... Jones handled it tho.

Same as you , the reason those two plays stick out to me is because we havent seen Weeks make those mistakes in the past.

If he's eating up a roster spot for no other reason than to snap on punts and FG/PAT's .... he's much like Trycycle , he cant be screwing up or he's a waste of that roster space.

BTW, i hope did not come of that I was making a case for Weeks specifically, because he has some question surrounding him since he has been with the team. When it is time to get his replacement, the Texans won't training shelley Smith to be that guy. They will be finding Weeks by another name off the waiver wire/streets somewhere.

The Pencil Neck
08-27-2012, 08:12 PM
Like I said, I don't care who that guy is, as long as he doesn't make mistakes.

Weeks is walking on the razor's edge, I think. He needs to play better if he's going to be in that spot.

Coach Joe has been gushing all over Donnie Jones's hands as a holder and a punter. I think we'd have had at least one bad snap if not for that. Maybe two.

GP
08-27-2012, 08:44 PM
You guys are smokin bad crack if u think Kubiak will waltz out Casey at FB on Sundays...in essence trying to kill two roster spots (TE & FB) with one guy.

There will be a designated FB on this 53 man roster, and it'll be Norris. Casey will be TE3 with ability to become a FB in certain packages or if Norris gets hurt in-game.

You guys are just trying to open up a roster spot (by leaving Norris out of the mix) so you've got the space to add whatever pet player you want to see make team.

Old GP sees right through the shenanigans. Norris will be FB1. Period.

Kaiser Toro
08-27-2012, 09:32 PM
Damn, he just spelled out a .

Corrosion
08-27-2012, 10:18 PM
You guys are smokin bad crack if u think Kubiak will waltz out Casey at FB on Sundays...in essence trying to kill two roster spots (TE & FB) with one guy.

There will be a designated FB on this 53 man roster, and it'll be Norris. Casey will be TE3 with ability to become a FB in certain packages or if Norris gets hurt in-game.

You guys are just trying to open up a roster spot (by leaving Norris out of the mix) so you've got the space to add whatever pet player you want to see make team.

Old GP sees right through the shenanigans. Norris will be FB1. Period.

Not at all , if you go back and look at every one of my roster predictions I have Norris making the roster in each of them.


Most teams wont carry two FB's .... the only reason the Texans are able to do so is because of Casey's versatility.
Casey will fill the third TE spot ... and unless they find a guy cut elsewhere the TE group will be only three deep with OD , Graham and Casey because Brock and Supernaw just havent shown they belong.


Coach Joe has been gushing all over Donnie Jones's hands as a holder and a punter. I think we'd have had at least one bad snap if not for that. Maybe two.

There have been two bad snaps , one on a punt in the SF game and another on a PAT against the Aints. Jones handled both well considering.

Rey
08-27-2012, 11:08 PM
You guys are smokin bad crack if u think Kubiak will waltz out Casey at FB on Sundays...in essence trying to kill two roster spots (TE & FB) with one guy.

There will be a designated FB on this 53 man roster, and it'll be Norris. Casey will be TE3 with ability to become a FB in certain packages or if Norris gets hurt in-game.

You guys are just trying to open up a roster spot (by leaving Norris out of the mix) so you've got the space to add whatever pet player you want to see make team.

Old GP sees right through the shenanigans. Norris will be FB1. Period.

There will be another fb on the roster, but you don't think Casey is going to be the fb on Sundays?

I disagree with that.

Casey will be the starting fb.

He's not going to be reduced to the third TE behind Grahm and only play fb in certain packages.

That ain't happening.

Bleed_Blu_Red
08-27-2012, 11:12 PM
You guys are smokin bad crack if u think Kubiak will waltz out Casey at FB on Sundays...in essence trying to kill two roster spots (TE & FB) with one guy.

There will be a designated FB on this 53 man roster, and it'll be Norris. Casey will be TE3 with ability to become a FB in certain packages or if Norris gets hurt in-game.

You guys are just trying to open up a roster spot (by leaving Norris out of the mix) so you've got the space to add whatever pet player you want to see make team.

Old GP sees right through the shenanigans. Norris will be FB1. Period.

Check my roster predictions I got Norris point blank we kept vickers last yr so why wouldn't we do it again, of course Casey will play Te and slot and rb and start at fb and play special teams he is "The Swiss Army Knife" he does multiple things for us and don't ya'll go stealing my nickname for him either hahaha but seriously I know Norris will make the team so call out the people who don't have him on there rosters

GP
08-27-2012, 11:22 PM
There will be another fb on the roster, but you don't think Casey is going to be the fb on Sundays?

I disagree with that.

Casey will be the starting fb.

He's not going to be reduced to the third TE behind Grahm and only play fb in certain packages.

That ain't happening.

What evidence do you have on your side to say that James Casey "will be the starting FB"?

Norris will be the starting FB, it's what he does. It's why Norris was brought here.

Casey is a TE first and foremost, a FB when needed or he's a FB as a situation presents itself to create confusion or matchup problems on a given down & distance.

You're dreaming if you think James Casey is our FB1. If Norris is cut, yeah. If Norris makes the 53, then Norris will get the lion's share of FB snaps unless Kubiak wants a run/pass option on a certain down & distance situation. Then we'll see Casey line up as FB, and maybe motion out...motion back...and from there the D won't know if he's lead blocking or gonna' become a passing target for Schaub.

GP
08-27-2012, 11:27 PM
Check my roster predictions I got Norris point blank we kept vickers last yr so why wouldn't we do it again, of course Casey will play Te and slot and rb and start at fb and play special teams he is "The Swiss Army Knife" he does multiple things for us and don't ya'll go stealing my nickname for him either hahaha but seriously I know Norris will make the team so call out the people who don't have him on there rosters

I'm not gonna pinpoint and name off those who left off Norris and have Casey as both the TE AND the FB1 (the ONLY FB, for that matter).

I'm just pointing out that some people are doing it, and it's so that it opens up an extra roster spot in order to make a guy fit somewhere. As an example: If I wanted both Grimes AND Forsett to make the team, AND have 6 WRs too, then I could put Casey as both a TE and as the only FB and get my extra spot to squeeze in a 4th RB or a 6th WR. Or an extra DE, or an extra CB, whichever position I wanted to add in an extra guy for whatever reason.

My reasoning: Casey can't play all of the FB reps and also contribute as a TE. Each year, Kubiak has brought someone in to be that FB1 so that Casey can do much more, as you pointed out very well (and to which I whole heartedly agree).

Bleed_Blu_Red
08-27-2012, 11:34 PM
Agreed Norris will make the squad and ya people have there player preferences o well

Bleed_Blu_Red
08-27-2012, 11:38 PM
53 man roster

Qb-Schaub,Yates

Rb-Foster,Tate,Forsett

Fb-Casey,Norris

Wr-Dre,Walter,Jean,Martin,Posey,Holliday

Te-Od,Graham

Lt-Dbo,Gardner

Lg-Wade smith

C-Meyers,Jones

Rg-Caldwell,Brooks

Rt-Newton,Butler

Cb-J-Joe,Kareem,Harris,McCain,Mcmanis,Ball

Fs-Gq,Nolan

Ss-Manning,Demps

Mlb-Cush,James,Dobbins,Alexander,Sharpton

Olb-Barwin,Reed,Mercilus,Braman,Nading

De-Watt,Antonio,Crick,Jamison,Browner

Dt-Cody,Mitchell

K-Graham

P-Jones

Practice Sqaud-Rb-Grimes,Qb-Keenum,Wr-Maehl,Og-Shelly Smith,S-Keo

I hope Sharpton comes back by wk.8 or 9 at the latest Maybe we keep Fangupo if Cody isn't ready

Corrosion
08-27-2012, 11:52 PM
Practice Sqaud-Rb-Grimes,Qb-Keenum,Wr-Maehl,Og-Shelly Smith,S-Keo

I hope Sharpton comes back by wk.8 or 9 at the latest Maybe we keep Fangupo if Cody isn't ready

I see you have Sharpton on your 53 .... He's on the Pup list and wont take up a roster spot until he's returned to the active roster. Probably plug Mister Alexander in that spot until he returns - Not that I think he earned a spot but by default with Sharpton being out.


Also - Keo has no PS Elegibility as he spent too much time on the active roster last season , he either makes the 53 or is cut.


Other than that , the only complaint I have is at DE with Browner making the final 53 .... Too amany other guy's have shown more. I think they'd keep Keo , Shelley Smith or Grimes over him. Likely Keo since he cant go to the PS.

Texn4life
08-27-2012, 11:58 PM
I see you have Sharpton on your 53 .... He's on the Pup list and wont take up a roster spot until he's returned to the active roster. Probably plug Mister Alexander in that spot until he returns - Not that I think he earned a spot but by default with Sharpton being out.


Also - Keo has no PS Elegibility as he spent too much time on the active roster last season , he either makes the 53 or is cut.


Other than that , the only complaint I have is at DE with Browner making the final 53 .... Too amany other guy's have shown more. I think they'd keep Keo , Shelley Smith or Grimes over him. Likely Keo since he cant go to the PS.

Also forgot the long snapper. Browner for Weeks and Sharpton for Grimes or Keo and it looks good.

Bleed_Blu_Red
08-28-2012, 12:01 AM
I made the roster before I found out about Sharpton but ya id replace him with Keo since I do have Alexander and I was gona put Fangupo before browner but was unsure about Cody but he should be good to go wk.1 so idk if well take 3 Dt's

Bleed_Blu_Red
08-28-2012, 12:03 AM
Also forgot the long snapper. Browner for Weeks and Sharpton for Grimes or Keo and it looks good.

I did forget Weeks counts as a 53 so there goes Fangupo in my opinion

Bleed_Blu_Red
08-28-2012, 12:08 AM
Edited 53 man roster

Qb-Schaub,Yates

Rb-Foster,Tate,Forsett

Fb-Casey,Norris

Wr-Dre,Walter,Jean,Martin,Posey,Holliday

Te-Od,Graham

Lt-Dbo,Gardner

Lg-Wade smith

C-Meyers,Jones

Rg-Caldwell,Brooks

Rt-Newton,Butler

Cb-J-Joe,Kareem,Harris,McCain,Mcmanis,Ball

Fs-Gq,Nolan

Ss-Manning,Demps,Keo

Mlb-Cush,James,Dobbins,Alexander

Olb-Barwin,Reed,Mercilus,Braman,Nading

De-Watt,Antonio,Crick,Jamison

Dt-Cody,Mitchell

K-Graham

P-Jones

Ls-Weeks

PUP-Sharpton

Practice Sqaud-Rb-Grimes,Qb-Keenum,Wr-Maehl,Og-Smith

The Pencil Neck
08-28-2012, 01:27 AM
Norris was on my first roster but I took him off of this last one because I saw Casey stepping up and being a "real" FB. Not very many teams carry 2 FBs.

On Saturday, I saw Norris in there for a handful of snaps. On Tate's TD, he was in there as the FB in the goal-line package but he just ran around the tackle and didn't block anyone.

IF we're going to keep 2 FBs, then Norris is the guy. But I think Casey really is our FB.

Wolf6151
08-28-2012, 03:22 AM
I would not be surprised to see Cody-NT start the year on the PUP list and then be reevaluated midseason. Back injuries have a tendency to become reoccurring nightmares. I think Fangupo makes the team in his place until that midseason reevaluation.

GP
08-28-2012, 06:38 AM
Norris was on my first roster but I took him off of this last one because I saw Casey stepping up and being a "real" FB. Not very many teams carry 2 FBs.

On Saturday, I saw Norris in there for a handful of snaps. On Tate's TD, he was in there as the FB in the goal-line package but he just ran around the tackle and didn't block anyone.

IF we're going to keep 2 FBs, then Norris is the guy. But I think Casey really is our FB.

If Kubiak sees things he doesn't like in Norris at FB, you might be proven correct here.

I just think there's a depth issue if we go with Casey at FB and have nobody else on the roster with him. I would be really shocked if Casey is our only FB.

Rey
08-28-2012, 06:49 AM
What evidence do you have on your side to say that James Casey "will be the starting FB"?.

Gee I dont know. Maybe the fact that he's the starting fb and kubiak has already said Casey is the starting fb.

We'll see who is dreaming on opening day.

What makes you think Casey is going to be the third TE behind Grahm and only be the fb in special packages?

Again, that's not happening.

IDEXAN
08-28-2012, 07:34 AM
I would not be surprised to see Cody-NT start the year on the PUP list and then be reevaluated midseason. Back injuries have a tendency to become reoccurring nightmares. I think Fangupo makes the team in his place until that midseason reevaluation.
That's probably more of a real potential scenario than most of us realize because the Texans are so tight-lipped with info about their players, especially when it comes to injuries.

ChampionTexan
08-28-2012, 08:05 AM
I would not be surprised to see Cody-NT start the year on the PUP list and then be reevaluated midseason. Back injuries have a tendency to become reoccurring nightmares. I think Fangupo makes the team in his place until that midseason reevaluation.

You can't place someone on the PUP list once they've participated in training camp. The only options for Cody are making the roster, IR, or being released.

Corrosion
08-28-2012, 08:34 AM
If Kubiak sees things he doesn't like in Norris at FB, you might be proven correct here.

I just think there's a depth issue if we go with Casey at FB and have nobody else on the roster with him. I would be really shocked if Casey is our only FB.

If Casey is the only FB , I'd expect them to sign another TE ... I cant see them go with just three bodies between the two positions. Its an either or situation tho .... 2 FB's or a 3rd TE.

Just dont think Brock or Supernaw make the final 53 , maybe one of them lands on the PS.

michaelm
08-28-2012, 10:05 AM
I'm still worried about losing Grimes if he is signed to the practice squad.
I'm probably over-valuing him, since another team would have to keep him on their active roster all season if they signed him off our PS, but I am still concerned.

IMO, Grimes has shown enogh to make the final 53, but Forsett has shown me enough as well.
If we could get value for Tate, and get a player that could help us now, I would be open to the idea of rolling into the reg season with Foster/Grimes/Forsett plus a good player recived for Tate.

The only problem with that theory is that it is fairly pie-in-the-sky to think we would get a contributor for Tate this close to the season. Plus, what position would you want in return? NT or maybe RT?

... here is where someone will feel the urge to make some sarcastic Madden comment.... save it.

Bleed_Blu_Red
08-28-2012, 10:50 AM
I'm still worried about losing Grimes if he is signed to the practice squad.
I'm probably over-valuing him, since another team would have to keep him on their active roster all season if they signed him off our PS, but I am still concerned.

IMO, Grimes has shown enogh to make the final 53, but Forsett has shown me enough as well.
If we could get value for Tate, and get a player that could help us now, I would be open to the idea of rolling into the reg season with Foster/Grimes/Forsett plus a good player recived for Tate.

The only problem with that theory is that it is fairly pie-in-the-sky to think we would get a contributor for Tate this close to the season. Plus, what position would you want in return? NT or maybe RT?

No way should we trade Tate for a player, The browns where willing to give us a 1st rnd pick for him this yr The pick is way more valuable then any player we would get for him especially if it's a 1st or a 2nd in my opinion I meen we could draft a NT or a RT if things don't work out

michaelm
08-28-2012, 11:22 AM
No way should we trade Tate for a player, The browns where willing to give us a 1st rnd pick for him this yr The pick is way more valuable then any player we would get for him especially if it's a 1st or a 2nd in my opinion I meen we could draft a NT or a RT if things don't work out

I agree with what you're saying, I guess I'm just thinking that this is the Texans real shot at a championship, and I think you try to improve the team in any way possible right now, and not worry too much about next year.

Admittedly, I don't see us getting a player in return that would really strengthen the team to any significant degree, which is why I said it was a pie-in-the-sky idea.

If you could trade Tate for a player that helps right now, then I think you have to consider it. That's basically what I am saying. I do acknowledge that it is an unlikely scenario.

Bleed_Blu_Red
08-28-2012, 11:28 AM
I agree with what you're saying, I guess I'm just thinking that this is the Texans real shot at a championship, and I think you try to improve the team in any way possible right now, and not worry too much about next year.

Admittedly, I don't see us getting a player in return that would really strengthen the team to any significant degree, which is why I said it was a pie-in-the-sky idea.

If you could trade Tate for a player that helps right now, then I think you have to consider it. That's basically what I am saying. I do acknowledge that it is an unlikely scenario.

O ya it wasn't a shot at you I was just saying don't think it's worth it but understand What your saying get it while the getting is good basically put all your chips in for this yr

rmartin65
08-28-2012, 11:40 AM
I dont think you trade Tate now. Maybe next year at the draft, if you dont think he will re-sign. But there is little to no reason to trade him now.

ObsiWan
08-28-2012, 11:43 AM
I agree with what you're saying, I guess I'm just thinking that this is the Texans real shot at a championship, and I think you try to improve the team in any way possible right now, and not worry too much about next year.

Admittedly, I don't see us getting a player in return that would really strengthen the team to any significant degree, which is why I said it was a pie-in-the-sky idea.

If you could trade Tate for a player that helps right now, then I think you have to consider it. That's basically what I am saying. I do acknowledge that it is an unlikely scenario.

You'd have to specify who that player would be and how he could help us.

Maybe if someone offered up a CB of near shutdown quality or a solid, starting caliber RT... But what team has those quality assets that they'd be willing to offer up?? I certainly can't name any.

JCTexan
08-28-2012, 11:43 AM
I agree with what you're saying, I guess I'm just thinking that this is the Texans real shot at a championship, and I think you try to improve the team in any way possible right now, and not worry too much about next year.

Admittedly, I don't see us getting a player in return that would really strengthen the team to any significant degree, which is why I said it was a pie-in-the-sky idea.

If you could trade Tate for a player that helps right now, then I think you have to consider it. That's basically what I am saying. I do acknowledge that it is an unlikely scenario.

Trading Tate is not how you help the team right now. He rushed for 942 yards last year and is part of the best RB duo in the NFL.

drs23
08-28-2012, 12:10 PM
Trading Tate is not how you help the team right now. He rushed for 942 yards last year and is part of the best RB duo in the NFL.

Exactly. While Forsett and Grimes both have played well IMO they don't hold a candle to Tate. I think the best return for him will be while a team that needs a RB is on the clock day one of the next draft. I believe that's where the value lies.

Rey
08-28-2012, 01:39 PM
2QB: Schaub, Yates
3RB: Foster, Tate, Grimes
2FB: Casey, Norris
3TE: OD, Grahm, Brock
5WR: AJ, Walter, Jean, Martin, Posey
3OT: Brown, Newton, Butler
3OG: Wade, Caldwell, Brooks
2OC: Meyers, Jones

4DE: Watt, Smith, Jamison, Crick
3NT: Cody, Mitchell, Fangupo
4ILB: Cushing, James, Mister, Dobbins
5OLB: Barwin, Reed, Mercilus, Braman, Nading

6CB: Jo, Kareem, McCain, Harris, Carmichael, McMannis
2FS: GQ, Nolan
2SS: Manning, Demps

K: Grahm
P: Jones
KR: Holiday
LS: Weeks



I'm probably way off from what will actually happen, but this is my roster as of right now. I have my reasons for why I chose who I chose...

HOU-TEX
08-28-2012, 02:05 PM
2QB: Schaub, Yates
3RB: Foster, Tate, Grimes
2FB: Casey, Smith
3TE: OD, Grahm, Brock
5WR: AJ, Walter, Jean, Martin, Posey
3OT: Brown, Newton, Butler
3OG: Wade, Caldwell, Brooks
2OC: Meyers, Jones

4DE: Watt, Smith, Jamison, Crick
3NT: Cody, Mitchell, Fangupo
4ILB: Cushing, James, Mister, Dobbins
5OLB: Barwin, Reed, Mercilus, Braman, Nading

6CB: Jo, Kareem, McCain, Harris, Carmichael, McMannis
2FS: GQ, Nolan
2SS: Manning, Demps

K: Grahm
P: Jones
KR: Holiday
LS: Weeks



I'm probably way off from what will actually happen, but this is my roster as of right now. I have my reasons for why I chose who I chose...

Smith has already been released. Not so sure Carmichael has a shot for a spot now, unless he's outstanding Thursday. I don't really see Brock or Fangupo making the 53 either

Rey
08-28-2012, 02:10 PM
Smith has already been released. Not so sure Carmichael has a shot for a spot now, unless he's outstanding Thursday

Didn't mean to put Smith...I copied an older post and I meant to change it to Norris...

As far as Carmichael goes...He's basically a rookie...He had a bad showing, but he was pretty good the week before.

What was he a 4th or 5th round pick?

I think he'll make the roster but will probably spend most or all of the year on the inactive list.

HOU-TEX
08-28-2012, 02:21 PM
Didn't mean to put Smith...I copied an older post and I meant to change it to Norris...

As far as Carmichael goes...He's basically a rookie...He had a bad showing, but he was pretty good the week before.

What was he a 4th or 5th round pick?

I think he'll make the roster but will probably spend most or all of the year on the inactive list.

Ball has been bad, but he's not scared to lay the wood. Roc not only has looked bad, he's been really bad at tackling. Imo

He was a 4th rd pick. It's really a toss up between the 2. Given the $ you might be right. Either way, I'd hope they'd see nothing but special teams...if even

Bleed_Blu_Red
08-28-2012, 02:25 PM
Ok people think we should or are going to keep 3 Te's i personally dont think so we have Od,Graham is shinning the skins just cut Cooley do you think the texans might look at him? I know Casey counts as a 3 Te but you know kubiak?

Rey
08-28-2012, 02:27 PM
Ball has been bad, but he's not scared to lay the wood. Roc not only has looked bad, he's been really bad at tackling. Imo

He was a 4th rd pick. It's really a toss up between the 2. Given the $ you might be right. Either way, I'd hope they'd see nothing but special teams...if even

If Ball sees the 53 man roster than would be...............unfortunate..


He looks flat out comedic out there on the field. Has there been a game yet that he hasn't looked like a blundering, stumbling fool?

HOU-TEX
08-28-2012, 02:34 PM
If Ball sees the 53 man roster than would be...............unfortunate..


He looks flat out comedic out there on the field. Has there been a game yet that he hasn't looked like a blundering, stumbling fool?

Very true, but tackles with some authority. Roc tackles with hesitation. Niether really deserve a spot if you ask me, but I reckon one of them will if we keep 6 CBs

Corrosion
08-28-2012, 04:31 PM
Ball has been bad, but he's not scared to lay the wood. Roc not only has looked bad, he's been really bad at tackling. Imo


Ball has looked bad in man coverage .... when he's in zone coverage , he's a different player.


If Ball sees the 53 man roster than would be...............unfortunate..


He looks flat out comedic out there on the field. Has there been a game yet that he hasn't looked like a blundering, stumbling fool?

I dont know , after watching some film , what I see is that he's not good in man to man , cant get his head around (like so many before him).
But when you ut him in a zone where he can keep the reciever in front of him , he can close quickly and lay the wood ....

I believe he's performed better than Carmichael .... and think it all depends upon ho many DB's they decide to keep. He could get caught up in a numbers game with McMains , Keo and Carmichael - One of them has to go.

Rey
08-28-2012, 04:36 PM
Ball has looked bad in man coverage .... when he's in zone coverage , he's a different player.




I dont know , after watching some film , what I see is that he's not good in man to man , cant get his head around (like so many before him).
But when you ut him in a zone where he can keep the reciever in front of him , he can close quickly and lay the wood ....

I believe he's performed better than Carmichael .... and think it all depends upon ho many DB's they decide to keep. He could get caught up in a numbers game with McMains , Keo and Carmichael - One of them has to go.

Then he needs to be a safety.

We play a lot of man to man with our corners.

pec0sb0b
08-28-2012, 06:22 PM
Ok people think we should or are going to keep 3 Te's i personally dont think so we have Od,Graham is shinning the skins just cut Cooley do you think the texans might look at him? I know Casey counts as a 3 Te but you know kubiak?

(on the fullback position) “Moran (Norris) is going to play in this game the whole game. It’s a big game for him because we’re trying to make a decision. Obviously James (Casey) is our starter and we’re very pleased with how far James has come as a player. He’s had an excellent preseason. We’re trying to make a decision on Moran (Norris), if we think that he can help us. He’s going to get that opportunity Thursday so we’ll see how he plays. He’s played a lot in this league. It’s been a little bit of a catch up from what we do so to speak. So I hope to find out some more on Thursday.”

(on if the number of tight ends affects the fullback decision) “Yeah, it’s a big effect. I don’t have the numbers in front of me but I’m going to say last year tight ends and running backs together were maybe a combined nine. Right now, we might be at six or seven when you look at some of the things that went on. So that is a big question mark moving forward. We like our two young tight ends also. They’re both doing some good things in camp so where do we go from that standpoint. But obviously it’s a position that I think we’ll continue to look at.

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Quotes-Kubiak-on-Tuesday/675df522-ef6f-45d9-ba57-4604d10e9890

I think Kubiak is trying to convince himself to go with Casey as the lone fullback and use him at tight end. Note that he said last year they carried nine backs and tight ends, but now they're at six or seven. If you count...Foster, Tate, Forsett, Grimes, Daniels, Graham, Casey. Right now I'm thinking Norris gets released and resigned if needed later in the season. I was thinking Grimes would go to the practice squad, but after more thought, Kubiak may want to carry four backs this year, as I think Grimes offers some help on special teams. I think Logan and Supernaw both get released, with Logan ending up on the practice squad. This offers him flexibility in other areas of the roster.

Rey
08-28-2012, 06:38 PM
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Quotes-Kubiak-on-Tuesday/675df522-ef6f-45d9-ba57-4604d10e9890

I think Kubiak is trying to convince himself to go with Casey as the lone fullback and use him at tight end. Note that he said last year they carried nine backs and tight ends, but now they're at six or seven. If you count...Foster, Tate, Forsett, Grimes, Daniels, Graham, Casey. Right now I'm thinking Norris gets released and resigned if needed later in the season. I was thinking Grimes would go to the practice squad, but after more thought, Kubiak may want to carry four backs this year, as I think Grimes offers some help on special teams. I think Logan and Supernaw both get released, with Logan ending up on the practice squad. This offers him flexibility in other areas of the roster.

There ya go Gp :)

The Pencil Neck
08-28-2012, 06:51 PM
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Quotes-Kubiak-on-Tuesday/675df522-ef6f-45d9-ba57-4604d10e9890

I think Kubiak is trying to convince himself to go with Casey as the lone fullback and use him at tight end. Note that he said last year they carried nine backs and tight ends, but now they're at six or seven. If you count...Foster, Tate, Forsett, Grimes, Daniels, Graham, Casey. Right now I'm thinking Norris gets released and resigned if needed later in the season. I was thinking Grimes would go to the practice squad, but after more thought, Kubiak may want to carry four backs this year, as I think Grimes offers some help on special teams. I think Logan and Supernaw both get released, with Logan ending up on the practice squad. This offers him flexibility in other areas of the roster.

That's exactly what I said in my last version of the roster.

Corrosion
08-29-2012, 12:02 AM
I think Kubiak is trying to convince himself to go with Casey as the lone fullback and use him at tight end. Note that he said last year they carried nine backs and tight ends, but now they're at six or seven. If you count...Foster, Tate, Forsett, Grimes, Daniels, Graham, Casey. Right now I'm thinking Norris gets released and resigned if needed later in the season. I was thinking Grimes would go to the practice squad, but after more thought, Kubiak may want to carry four backs this year, as I think Grimes offers some help on special teams. I think Logan and Supernaw both get released, with Logan ending up on the practice squad. This offers him flexibility in other areas of the roster.

Not a chance in hell.

There will be at least one other FB/TE on the roster besides OD , Graham and Casey.

Lucky
08-29-2012, 12:32 AM
I think Kubiak is trying to convince himself to go with Casey as the lone fullback and use him at tight end. This offers him flexibility in other areas of the roster.
I'm trying to wrap my head around the idea that 1 fullback and 2 tight ends makes the roster more flexible??? Nope, I don't get it.

There will be at least one other FB/TE on the roster besides OD , Graham and Casey.
Yes. But, they may not be currently on the roster.

Wolf6151
08-29-2012, 05:04 AM
You can't place someone on the PUP list once they've participated in training camp. The only options for Cody are making the roster, IR, or being released.

Thank you, I did not know that. Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't their new rules this year for IR, you can come off IR after 8 weeks?

Maddict5
08-29-2012, 06:13 AM
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Quotes-Kubiak-on-Tuesday/675df522-ef6f-45d9-ba57-4604d10e9890

I think Kubiak is trying to convince himself to go with Casey as the lone fullback and use him at tight end. Note that he said last year they carried nine backs and tight ends, but now they're at six or seven. If you count...Foster, Tate, Forsett, Grimes, Daniels, Graham, Casey. Right now I'm thinking Norris gets released and resigned if needed later in the season. I was thinking Grimes would go to the practice squad, but after more thought, Kubiak may want to carry four backs this year, as I think Grimes offers some help on special teams. I think Logan and Supernaw both get released, with Logan ending up on the practice squad. This offers him flexibility in other areas of the roster.

no way we only go with 3 total TE's & FB. last yr we had 5. this year hes thinking of dropping it to 4 imo not 3

Lucky
08-29-2012, 06:24 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't their new rules this year for IR, you can come off IR after 8 weeks?
That was a proposal, but the NFL and NFLPA could not come to an agreement on it.

TimeKiller
08-29-2012, 07:47 AM
qb- Schaub, Yates, Keenum
rb- Foster, Tate, Grimes, Forsett
fb- Casey, Norris
te- Daniels, Graham, Brock
wr- Johnson, Walter, Martin, Jean, Posey
olstarters- Brown, W Smith, Myers, Caldwell, Newton
oldepth- Butler, Brooks, Jones, S Smith

dl- Watt, Cody, A Smith, Jamison, Mitchell, Crick
lb- Reed, Cushing, Barwin, Mercilus, Braman, Alexander, Dobbins
cb- Joseph, Jackson, McCain, Harris, McMannis, Ball
s- Manning, Quin, Nolan, Keo, Demps

p- Jones
k- Graham
kr/pr- Holliday

Rey
08-29-2012, 07:59 AM
If Roc Carmichael doesn't make this team, I'll be surprised. I guess they could try to sneak him onto the practice squad, but the guy was a 4th round pick.

I know he had a bad game this past week, but the week before he looked ok.

The guy is basically a rookie after spending all of last year on IR. Cutting him would be a complete waste of a 4th round pick and I really don't see them giving up on him that soon.

Rey
08-29-2012, 08:04 AM
qb- Schaub, Yates, Keenum
rb- Foster, Tate, Grimes, Forsett
fb- Casey, Norris
te- Daniels, Graham, Brock
wr- Johnson, Walter, Martin, Jean, Posey
olstarters- Brown, W Smith, Myers, Caldwell, Newton
oldepth- Butler, Brooks, Jones, S Smith

dl- Watt, Cody, A Smith, Jamison, Mitchell, Crick
lb- Reed, Cushing, Barwin, Mercilus, Braman, Alexander, Dobbins
cb- Joseph, Jackson, McCain, Harris, McMannis, Ball
s- Manning, Quin, Nolan, Keo, Demps

p- Jones
k- Graham
kr/pr- Holliday

You don't have Bradie James making the team?

Interesting.

TimeKiller
08-29-2012, 08:09 AM
You don't have Bradie James making the team?

Interesting.

Nope. Either they need to stop putting him in coverage or cut him. He's been less than impressive in a scheme he's supposedly familiar with. Alexander is bigger/faster/stronger and Dobbins is outplaying every ILB not named Cushing. They still have the possibility of Sharpton later in the season too.

I forgot Carmichael, I'd put him in instead of Ball in like less than a heartbeat. Basically no ex-Cowboys hehe....

dream_team
08-29-2012, 09:27 AM
Nope. Either they need to stop putting him in coverage or cut him. He's been less than impressive in a scheme he's supposedly familiar with. Alexander is bigger/faster/stronger and Dobbins is outplaying every ILB not named Cushing. They still have the possibility of Sharpton later in the season too.

I forgot Carmichael, I'd put him in instead of Ball in like less than a heartbeat. Basically no ex-Cowboys hehe....

I agree Bradie has looked like crap, but I still think he'll start opposite Cushing when the season starts.

GP
08-29-2012, 09:48 AM
I thought I was the only one who thought Bradie James looks bad so far.

But good luck convincing Wade that Bradie James isn't going to be on this roster, let alone a starter on the field at ILB.

I think we're going to have to just accept that Wade has a guy, James, who is an oldie he's fond of...so we're stuck with him.

Dobbins is straight up OWNING out there, it's patently obvious to anyone who watches without bias. Dude is standing up RBs on a consistent basis.

drs23
08-29-2012, 10:14 AM
I agree Bradie has looked like crap, but I still think he'll start opposite Cushing when the season starts.

That's what I think as well. Put me in the "not impressed" camp as far as James' play. Too many whiffed arm tackles. It's not that he's not around the ball, he just doesn't make the tackle. Several that should have been TFL but the runner ended up 4 - 6 yards positive gain. We can't have that. Dobbins has looked really good and Mister has looked good as well.

TimeKiller
08-29-2012, 10:38 AM
Dobbins is straight up OWNING out there, it's patently obvious to anyone who watches without bias. Dude is standing up RBs on a consistent basis.

He sure seems to make good plays constantly. This is why I think HE should be the starter, rotating in Alexander when necessary. I think the two of them more than fill up the 2 down run plugging LB role. I guess I wouldn't mind if James was a injury-insurance plan for Cushing but to say he's a starter on this roster is...just...ugh...brainasplode.

The Pencil Neck
08-29-2012, 11:15 AM
No, GP, I think we're all on the same page wrt Bradie James. I'd much rather have Dobbins out there at this point. James just doesn't look like he's got it, anymore.

But I don't think we're on the same page as Wade. I think Wade likes him and wants him out there.

beerlover
08-29-2012, 11:23 AM
No, GP, I think we're all on the same page wrt Bradie James. I'd much rather have Dobbins out there at this point. James just doesn't look like he's got it, anymore.

But I don't think we're on the same page as Wade. I think Wade likes him and wants him out there.

Bradie James will look a whole lot stronger with a healthy Cushing out there. He brings cerebral presence that Wade Phillips trust's. :heart:

The Pencil Neck
08-29-2012, 11:33 AM
Bradie James will look a whole lot stronger with a healthy Cushing out there. He brings cerebral presence that Wade Phillips trust's. :heart:

I hope you're right. :)

HOU-TEX
08-29-2012, 11:43 AM
Dobbins is great against the run, but horrible in coverage.

beerlover
08-29-2012, 12:04 PM
Dobbins is great against the run, but horrible in coverage.

he was right in Grahams hip pocket one on one. that was totally blown coverage call with no safety help over the top. Jimmy is elite for his position at least extra help should be expected, I can't fault Bradie for that, it's not like he should be expected to climb the ladder, he also has short wingspan which is perfectly normal for ILB position :polevault:

Bleed_Blu_Red
08-29-2012, 12:10 PM
We play the 4-1-6 a lot of times and the Hybrid Nickel which GQ comes up to the ILB spot and Nolan or Demps plays safety so Cush is the only lb on the field. I meen Bradie is on his last leg what do you expect, that's the exact reason I miss Sharpton so much but I think he will improve once the season starts and he adjust to the personal we have

IDEXAN
08-29-2012, 12:34 PM
Fangupo makes the team, atleast for a month and a half because I heard a little birdy say Cody might get PUPed.
And sorry to say, but my Idaho guy Keo is history, while Posey is a def lock
unless they IR him. And I think QB Kenum is on the 53, Holliday also unless he
fumbles again Thursday. And I just don't have even a guess for which corners end up on the 53-man roster after JJ, Kareem, & McCain ?

The Pencil Neck
08-29-2012, 01:09 PM
Fangupo makes the team, atleast for a month and a half because I heard a little birdy say Cody might get PUPed.

You need to shoot that little birdy because Cody can't get PUPed. He started training camp on the active roster and got hurt during camp. Therefore, can't go on PUP.

HOU-TEX
08-29-2012, 01:16 PM
You need to shoot that little birdy because Cody can't get PUPed. He started training camp on the active roster and got hurt during camp. Therefore, can't go on PUP.

Plus, he and Watt are already practicing full speed. Fangupo hasn't impressed at all imo. He'd be lucky to make the PS. Harris, on the other hand, was looking great before tearing his tri. I'd like to see him back next year

Corrosion
08-29-2012, 03:22 PM
Plus, he and Watt are already practicing full speed. Fangupo hasn't impressed at all imo. He'd be lucky to make the PS. Harris, on the other hand, was looking great before tearing his tri. I'd like to see him back next year

I dont know where I stand with him making the final roster ... He did sniff out a screen against the Aints - disengaging blockers and moving to the flat to make the tackle with Nading .... That was a smart play tho Im not sure Ive seen enough from him.

Corrosion
08-29-2012, 03:42 PM
Offense - 23
QB – Schaub, Yates, Keenum
RB – Foster, Tate, Forsett
FB – Casey, Norris
TE – Daniels, Graham
T – Brown, Butler, Newton
G – W.Smith, Caldwell, Brooks
C – Myers, Jones
WR – Johnson, Walter, Martin, Jean , Posey

Defense - 26
DE – Smith, Watt, Jamison, Crick
NT – Cody, Mitchell
OLB – Barwin, Reed, Mercilus, Braman, Nading
ILB – Cushing, James, Dobbins, Alexander
CB – Joseph, Jackson, McCain, Harris, McManis , Ball
S – Manning, Quin, Demps, Nolan, Keo

Special Teams - 4
LS – Weeks
K – Graham
P – Jones
PR/KR - Holliday


There is still some competition for roster spots at multiple positions.


Ive got them keeping 3 RB's for now tho I could see them keeping both Forsett and Grimes or either one of them. Its a toss up for now.


QB - Keenum and Beck for the #3

RB - Forsett and Grimes although both could make the final 53.

KR/PR - Trycycle still has to earn that roster spot , holding onto the ball and making good decisions with when to return or not going a long way twards that.

CB - The final spot between Ball and Carmichael is still up for grabs. I have Ball ahead at this point.

Have to wonder if they keep Keo as he has no PS elegibility .... this could affect other roster spots , especially the decision between 3 and 4 RB's or another TE tho Casey gives them a bit of flexability there. For now I have them keeping Keo.


Does Posey come down with a mysterious injury and land on IR .... Tough decision here because that would put him out of football for two years , thats a pretty big risk considering the 3rd round pick. Until he's IR'd , i have him on the final roster.


TE - Carrying only two for now with Casey as TE3 , this could change with a cut at CB , S or WR. Dont think Brock or Supernaw have shown enough , if there is a 3rd TE he'snot on the roster currently.

The Pencil Neck
08-29-2012, 05:07 PM
One thing we've got to remember is that we're not restricted to the guys currently on the team. FB#2 might not be DSmith or Norris.

RSmith has worked some magic in the past finding guys that have been cut by other teams. When Kubiak was talking about FB, he could have his eye on someone they expect to get cut from another team.

76Texan
08-29-2012, 05:41 PM
If they decide to go with just 8 O-linemen, I can see them keeping 4 RBs.

Alexander and Nading both still are on the bubbles in my mind.
It's quite possible that only one of them make the roster.

Nading has played at ILB also.

Corrosion
08-29-2012, 06:27 PM
One thing we've got to remember is that we're not restricted to the guys currently on the team. FB#2 might not be DSmith or Norris.

RSmith has worked some magic in the past finding guys that have been cut by other teams. When Kubiak was talking about FB, he could have his eye on someone they expect to get cut from another team.

Yeah , Ive made this point multiple times , especially about the 3rd TE spot.


If they decide to go with just 8 O-linemen, I can see them keeping 4 RBs.

Alexander and Nading both still are on the bubbles in my mind.
It's quite possible that only one of them make the roster.

Nading has played at ILB also.

I only have 8 OL making my final 53 .... 4 RB's is a possibility but I think its more likely they use that roster spot on defense or for special teams standouts tho Grimes did show well on ST making several tackles thus far.


Nading is a really good ST player .... That and the ability to play inside or out may be the determining factor between him and Alexander.

Lucky
08-29-2012, 07:09 PM
I think there are several players that have to play their way on/off the roster.

Keenum/Beck - I think Keenum could be moved to the practice squad with the Texans carrying only Schaub and Yates on the active roster. Watch for the waiver wire here, too, as a young vet that Kubiak likes could become available (like Leinart did in 2010).

Forsett/Grimes - Probably closer than I originally thought. The Texans could possibly keep both, if they go with 2 QBs.

Norris - I think Norris has to worry about who shows up on the waiver wire.

Brock - I think he makes the roster, unless the Texans find someone better on the waiver wire.

Gardner - He's lost some traction through preseason and needs a big game.

Shelley Smith - He needs an injury to one of the 5 interior linemen ahead of him on the depth chart.

Posey - The rookie either makes the roster or becomes victim to some type of injury. I think he makes it.

Fangupo - Needs a big game, and still could be cut if the Texans find someone better on the waiver wire.

Alexander - Another spot where the Texans look hard at the waiver wire.

Carmichael/Ball - One could make the team, or both could be cut. They need to shine to make it to Week 1.

Keo - Right now, he's a special teams player only. That Pleasant can be stashed on the practice squad hurts his chances.

Holliday - Unless he has a Chernobyl meltdown, Trindon is on the team.


I count as many as 6 positions the Texans could be looking at upgrades via the waiver wire. They won't bring in 6 players, but I think they will find 2 or 3 before opening day.

IDEXAN
08-30-2012, 07:23 AM
You need to shoot that little birdy because Cody can't get PUPed. He started training camp on the active roster and got hurt during camp. Therefore, can't go on PUP.
Did not know that, nor did my little feathered friend. Congrats on your knowledge of the rules
Therefor I'm thinking they do retain Fangupo for several games until Codys return
to the lineup, unless the Texans pick up someone from the waiver wire. The plain
truth is they have no reserve at NG for Mitch with "The Nose" being layed up.

ChampionTexan
08-30-2012, 11:14 AM
That was a proposal, but the NFL and NFLPA could not come to an agreement on it.

It has just been agreed to (and it also moves the trade deadline from week 6 to week 8).

In a surprise move, the NFL Players’ Association has agreed to the NFL’s request that the trade deadline be moved back from Week Six to Week Eight, and that one player per team can return to the field later in the season after being placed on injured reserve.
LINK (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/08/30/nflpa-agrees-to-later-trade-deadline-injured-reserve-exception/)

If this is unchanged from the original agreement approved by the owners, the IR change still wouldn't apply to anybody placed on IR during the preseason. I believe it has to be someone on the 53 man roster for the opening game.

pec0sb0b
08-30-2012, 04:03 PM
The new rule will allow the Texans to use the roster exception on Sharpton through week eight. He would be able to join team practices in week six. If his rehab is going slowly as it appears, six weeks sounds about right.

ChampionTexan
08-30-2012, 04:46 PM
The new rule will allow the Texans to use the roster exception on Sharpton through week eight. He would be able to join team practices in week six. If his rehab is going slowly as it appears, six weeks sounds about right.

You've just described the reserve PUP rule which has been in existence for several years now. Sharpton's already been placed on the reserve PUP. There will be no need to waste their one IR exception on someone who won't be taking up a roster spot for a minimum of 6 weeks anyway.

Rey
08-30-2012, 05:19 PM
You've just described the reserve PUP rule which has been in existence for several years now. Sharpton's already been placed on the reserve PUP. There will be no need to waste their one IR exception on someone who won't be taking up a roster spot for a minimum of 6 weeks anyway.

I think he was talking about the pup rule.

If I understand correctly it has been changed and extended.

Of course I heard that on the radio so that info could be wrong.

Corrosion
08-30-2012, 05:26 PM
Im hearing that Gary may go with only two QB's .... If thats the case , they likely carry an extra OL or TE. If its a TE , I dont expect he is on the current roster.


No , I dont have a link .... :specnatz:

Rey
08-30-2012, 08:04 PM
Damn, dj Bryant going to make roster cuts even harder.

Bleed_Blu_Red
08-30-2012, 08:06 PM
Well now that Butler is lost I think Shelly Smith just made the 53 so the oline should be as is

Lt-Dbo,Gardner

Lg-Wade smith,Shelly smith

C-Myers,Jones

Rg-Caldwell,Brooks

Rt-Newton

Kubiak talked about maybe playing Brooks at OT if need be unless we bring in another OT or bring back Mondek

Rey
08-30-2012, 08:11 PM
What does Shelley smith have to do with the tackle situation?

Bleed_Blu_Red
08-30-2012, 08:18 PM
Shelly Smith wasn't gona make my roster with butler and newton now he will make the cut

Rey
08-30-2012, 08:20 PM
Shelly Smith wasn't gona make my roster with butler and newton now he will make the cut

Why?

What does one have to do with the other?

Bleed_Blu_Red
08-30-2012, 08:23 PM
We usually keep 8 to 9 olineman I don't think we would keep 10 which is what the original number would have been if we didn't put him on the PS

Rey
08-30-2012, 08:25 PM
We usually keep 8 to 9 olineman I don't think we would keep 10 which is what the original number would have been if we didn't put him on the PS

You must have had 4 tackles making the team before butler got hurt.

Bleed_Blu_Red
08-30-2012, 08:27 PM
Ya exactly I had Dbo,Gardner,Newton,Butler since Jones can play C or G same with Caldwell so no need to keep 4 OG in my opinion

Rey
08-30-2012, 08:29 PM
Ya exactly I had Dbo,Gardner,Newton,Butler since Jones can play C or G same with Caldwell so no need to keep 4 OG in my opinion

Ok, I understand what you are saying now. That makes sense.

Bleed_Blu_Red
08-30-2012, 08:31 PM
Well see what happens

Rey
08-30-2012, 08:43 PM
I'm more confused about some spots now than I was at first.

Bleed_Blu_Red
08-30-2012, 08:50 PM
Like Grimes like a motha i dont think he makes the cut. due to alot of spots being locked up coming into and going into the season into the season and doubt we go 4deep at RB hope and pray we can keep him on the PS

Rey
08-30-2012, 08:54 PM
Like Grimes like a motha i dont think he makes the cut. due to alot of spots being locked up coming into the season and doubt we go 4deep at RB hope and pray we can keep him on the PS

I think I'm still going to have grimes on my roster. I have to see think about it.

I think I'm going to take Norris off my roster though. I just don't know. The coaches have some tough decisions to make and they gotta make them fast.

Bleed_Blu_Red
08-30-2012, 08:58 PM
Ya, I think we will keep Norris due to the fact kubiak will move Casey around and he also accounts as one of are Te's

Bleed_Blu_Red
08-30-2012, 09:15 PM
Edited 53 man roster

Qb-Schaub,Yates

Rb-Foster,Tate,Forsett

Fb-Casey,Norris

Te-Od,Graham

Wr-Dre,Kw,Jean,Martin,Posey,Holliday

Lt-Dbo,Gardner

Lg-Wade Smith,Shelly Smith

C-Myers,Jones

Rg-Caldwell,Brooks

Rt-Newton

De-Antonio,Watt,Jamison,Crick

Dt-Cody,Mitchell,Fangupo

Olb-Barwin,Reed,Mercilus,Braman,Nading

Mlb-Cush,James,Dobbins,Alexander

Cb-J-Joe,Kareem,McCain,Harris,McMannis,Ball

Fs-GQ,Nolan

Ss-Manning,Demps

K-Graham

P-Jones

Ls-Weeks

PUP-Sharpton will take his spot back from Alexander if he is able to play this yr

PS-Rb-Grimes,Wr-Maehl,Qb-Keenum

ChampionTexan
08-30-2012, 09:18 PM
I think he was talking about the pup rule.

If I understand correctly it has been changed and extended.

Of course I heard that on the radio so that info could be wrong.

No changes to the PUP rule - only the IR and trade deadline changes.

The Pencil Neck
08-30-2012, 09:51 PM
Damn. Some great stuff out there tonight. Here's my final attempt at it:


Offense: 24
QB: Schaub, Yates, Beck
RB: Foster, Tate, Forsett
FB: Casey, Norris
WR: AJ, KW, KMart, Jean, Posey, Holiday
TE: OD, GG
LT: DB, Gardner
LG: Smith
C: Myers, Jones
RG: Caldwell, Brooks
RT: Newton

Defense: 26
DE: Smith, Watt, Jamison, Crick
NT: Cody, Earl
OLB: Barwin, Reed, Braman, Mercilus, Bryant
ILB: Cush, James, Dobbins, Alexander
CB: JJo, Jackson, McCain, Harris, McMannis, Carmichael
S: Manning, Quin, Demps, Nolan, Pleasant

LS: Weeks
P: Jones
K: Graham

--- PS ---
NT - Fangupo
TE - Brock, Supernaw
FB - Smith
QB - Keenum
DE - King
LB - Loiseau
RB - Grimes

I think Beck solidified his spot and Keenum's going to PS.

I think Grimes didn't flash enough and is going to PS.

I liked what I saw from Ben Jones playing BOTH Center and Guard. He handed one guy off to the tackle (Menkins, iirc) and the tackle wasn't there and that almost got Case killed but I don't think that was his fault.

Norris is an enigma. He looked good blocking. I don't know if that's enough to make the squad. He's got to catch the ball and his hands looked like Vickers's hands looked last year. And that's not a good thing.

I just can't cut Bryant. I don't know if he makes the team but he's been bringing it all preseason. I keep him.

I've got too many DBs. I think Keo played himself off the squad and I think Pleasant played himself on. Carmichael looked much better this game and I'm putting him in and cutting Ball... but honestly, I'm afraid Ball's going to make the team.

No way we don't make a spot for Tri-cycle now.

Rey
08-30-2012, 09:52 PM
Qb: schaub, Yates
Fb: Casey
Rb: foster, Tate, Forsett, grimes
Wr: the obvious 5
TE: od, Grahm, Brock
OT: brown, newton, that one guy
OG: caldwell, wade, Brooks
C: Meyers, jones

DE: watt, crick, Antonio, Jamison
NT: Cody, Mitchell, fangupo
OLB: reed, barwin, merci, Braman, nading, Bryant
MLB: James, Cush, mr, dobbins
Cb: kjax, jjo, McCain, Harris, Carmichael
S: Quinn, manning, Nolan, demps,

K
P
KR
LS

PS: Keenum, supernaw, pleasant, louiseau, the other guy from u of h, guy x, guy y

Bleed_Blu_Red
08-30-2012, 09:56 PM
Damn. Some great stuff out there tonight. Here's my final attempt at it:


Offense: 24
QB: Schaub, Yates, Beck
RB: Foster, Tate, Forsett
FB: Casey, Norris
WR: AJ, KW, KMart, Jean, Posey, Holiday
TE: OD, GG
LT: DB, Gardner
LG: Smith
C: Myers, Jones
RG: Caldwell, Brooks
RT: Newton

Defense: 26
DE: Smith, Watt, Jamison, Crick
NT: Cody, Earl
OLB: Barwin, Reed, Braman, Mercilus, Bryant
ILB: Cush, James, Dobbins, Alexander
CB: JJo, Jackson, McCain, Harris, McMannis, Carmichael
S: Manning, Quin, Demps, Nolan, Pleasant

LS: Weeks
P: Jones
K: Graham

--- PS ---
NT - Fangupo
TE - Brock, Supernaw
FB - Smith
QB - Keenum
DE - King
LB - Loiseau
RB - Grimes

I think Beck solidified his spot and Keenum's going to PS.

I think Grimes didn't flash enough and is going to PS.

I liked what I saw from Ben Jones playing BOTH Center and Guard. He handed one guy off to the tackle (Menkins, iirc) and the tackle wasn't there and that almost got Case killed but I don't think that was his fault.

Norris is an enigma. He looked good blocking. I don't know if that's enough to make the squad. He's got to catch the ball and his hands looked like Vickers's hands looked last year. And that's not a good thing.

I just can't cut Bryant. I don't know if he makes the team but he's been bringing it all preseason. I keep him.

I've got too many DBs. I think Keo played himself off the squad and I think Pleasant played himself on. Carmichael looked much better this game and I'm putting him in and cutting Ball... but honestly, I'm afraid Ball's going to make the team.

No way we don't make a spot for Tri-cycle now.

Totally agree on Mitch King liked him at Iowa but was unsure if we would put him on the PS. I would replace Fangupo with him for sure just not sure he will make the cut and I kept Fang because of Cody's back and at worst he can be a big body and suck up blocks

SAMURAITEXAN
08-30-2012, 09:57 PM
Edited 53 man roster

Qb-Schaub,Yates

Rb-Foster,Tate,Forsett

Fb-Casey,Norris

Te-Od,Graham

Wr-Dre,Kw,Jean,Martin,Posey,Holliday

Lt-Dbo,Gardner

Lg-Wade Smith,Shelly Smith

C-Myers,Jones

Rg-Caldwell,Brooks

Rt-Newton

De-Antonio,Watt,Jamison,Crick

Dt-Cody,Mitchell,Fangupo

Olb-Barwin,Reed,Mercilus,Braman,Nading

Mlb-Cush,James,Dobbins,Alexander

Cb-J-Joe,Kareem,McCain,Harris,McMannis,Ball

Fs-GQ,Nolan

Ss-Manning,Demps

K-Graham

P-Jones

Ls-Weeks

PUP-Sharpton will take his spot back from Alexander if he is able to play this yr

PS-Rb-Grimes,Wr-Maehl,Qb-Keenum

Where's Butler? Is he on IR?

Rey
08-30-2012, 09:57 PM
Where's Butler? Is he on IR?

Being reported he's out for the year.

The Pencil Neck
08-30-2012, 09:58 PM
Where's Butler? Is he on IR?

I assume he's going on IR. As soon as I saw the injury, I figured he was on IR and now reports are starting to trickle in that he is.

SAMURAITEXAN
08-30-2012, 09:59 PM
Thanks Rey and Pencil Neck. Just found out about Butler.

Sorry about that Bleed Blu Red.

JCTexan
08-30-2012, 10:09 PM
My updated list with Beck & Gardner making it.

QB: Schaub, Yates, Beck
RB: Foster, Tate, Forsett
FB: Casey, Norris
WR: AJ, KW, KMart, Jean, Posey
TE: OD, GG
LT: DB, Gardner
LG: Smith, Smith
C: Myers, Jones
RG: Caldwell, Brooks
RT: Newton

DE: Smith, Watt, Jamison, Crick
NT: Cody, Mitchell, Fangupo
OLB: Barwin, Reed, Braman, Mercilus
ILB: Cush, James, Dobbins, Alexander
CB: JJo, Jackson, McCain, Ball, Harris, Mcmanis
S: Manning, Quin, Demps, Nolan

LS: Weeks
P: Jones
K: Graham
KR: Holliday

---

Bleed_Blu_Red
08-30-2012, 10:16 PM
Thanks Rey and Pencil Neck. Just found out about Butler.

Sorry about that Bleed Blu Red.

It's cool that's what the forums for to get info

Corrosion
08-30-2012, 10:47 PM
I'm more confused about some spots now than I was at first.

Arent we all ?!!? Thats half the fun of the prediction ....


I tell you , its been a fun offseason to be a Texan fan , much better than those dismal years of 6-10 or 2-14. Many of the guy's who get cut , especially from the secondary will end up on someone's roster.

Gonna be a tough decision with Grimes and Forsett .... they are loaded in the backfield.


DJ Bryant .... Hell of a find by Smith. Dont think there is room for him on the 53 but I sure hope he makes it to the PS.


Trycycle sticks , if not he's on someone elses roster and I personally chew Gary a new one. He's just too explosive not to keep. Damn did he really run half speed from the 30 and still score ?!

CB - Ive got to go with McManis and Ball over Carmichael.

Not sure they hold onto Keo .... Pleasant probably makes the PS.


Alexander probably sticks around .... at least until Sharpton is elegible to return.

Nading somehow stays .... He's too versatile , ILB/OLB and a very good ST player.


Man there will be some tough cuts made tonight ....


I didnt get to watch the second half tonight .... My DVR cut off right after the kickoff. Anyone know where I can find a full replay ???


Fangupo - He held up at the point of attack .... Just dont know if there is room for a 3rd DT/NT on this roster when they only play two downs.

speedfreek
08-30-2012, 10:50 PM
Now the waiting game. 24 hours to see who makes the team, another 24 hours to see which players are still available for the practice squad.

Nail biters all.

Suddenly o-line looks like a bigger need than WR did a few months ago..

TJ

Vinny
08-30-2012, 10:52 PM
I've got too many DBs. I think Keo played himself off the squad and I think Pleasant played himself on. Carmichael looked much better this game and I'm putting him in and cutting Ball... but honestly, I'm afraid Ball's going to make the team.

No way we don't make a spot for Tri-cycle now.
I don't like what I see in Harris...to me, they should be looking at him hard.

srrono
08-30-2012, 10:56 PM
WR1 A Johnson K Martin L Jean
LT D Brown A Gardner
LG W Smith
C C Myers B Jones
RG A Caldwell B Brooks S Smith
RT D Newton
TE O Daniels G Graham
WR2 K Walter D Posey T Holliday
QB M Schaub T.J. Yates
RB A Foster B Tate J Forsett
FB J Casey Norris

DE J.J. Watt T Jamison
DT S Cody E Mitchell
DE A Smith J Crick
SLB B Reed B Braman J Nading
ILB B Cushing M Alexander
ILB B James T Dobbins
WLB C Barwin W Mercilus
LCB K Jackson S McManis B Harris
RCB J Joseph B McCain
SS D Manning Q Demps
FS G Quin T Nolan A Pleasent

PK S Graham
P D Jones
LS J Weeks

SAMURAITEXAN
08-30-2012, 11:01 PM
I don't like what I see in Harris...to me, they should be looking at him hard.

I am pretty sure they give him at least another year Vinny. Don't we usually keep high rds draft choices for a few years to see if they develop.

Vinny
08-30-2012, 11:08 PM
I am pretty sure they give him at least another year Vinny. Don't we usually keep high rds draft choices for a few years to see if they develop.I agree, but watching Harris get lit up twice in that Aromashodu TD drive was maddening. Nolan didn't wrap up too well (on the Aromashodu TD) but Harris was the CB that let him run right by him. Harris looks awful and out of position or being run by too many times for my liking.

Rey
08-30-2012, 11:10 PM
I agree, but watching Harris get lit up twice in that Aromashodu TD drive was maddening. Nolan didn't wrap up too well (on the Aromashodu TD) but Harris was the CB that let him run right by him. Harris looks awful and out of position or being run by too many times for my liking.

Harris was in zone on that play.

Vinny
08-30-2012, 11:12 PM
Harris was in zone on that play.
I could be mistaken but I'm watching it now and he's trailing Aromashodu like he is in man coverage. Even if he wasn't in man, he opens his hips too soon and plays poorly often.

Rey
08-30-2012, 11:16 PM
I could be mistaken but I'm watching it now and he's trailing Aromashodu like he is in man coverage. Even if he wasn't in man, he opens his hips too soon and plays poorly often.

Are you talking about the TD play where Troy Nolan tried to tackle the wr like a fish?

If so i think he was in zone there. He uses a shuffle technique and he let's the wr run by him and it looks like he bit up on a shallow route, but when he saw the ball was thrown he turned an ran.

I'm going off memory here, so I could be completely off. I need to watch it again.

SAMURAITEXAN
08-30-2012, 11:23 PM
CB is one of the difficult position to learn IMO and it's better off for a player to sit his first year and gradually give him enough reps to learn the position. So, I ain't sweating just yet. Besides, the last play of the game by Harris was good. Harris didn't have OTA last year. I will hold my judge on Harris for at least another year.

The Pencil Neck
08-31-2012, 12:24 AM
I could be mistaken but I'm watching it now and he's trailing Aromashodu like he is in man coverage. Even if he wasn't in man, he opens his hips too soon and plays poorly often.

Looked like Zone to me at the time. I thought that was bad safety play.

I'm blaming Keo. Even if he wasn't on the field at the time, I'm sure it was his fault somehow.

infantrycak
08-31-2012, 12:30 AM
Looked like Zone to me at the time. I thought that was bad safety play.

I'm blaming Keo. Even if he wasn't on the field at the time, I'm sure it was his fault somehow.

Off memory that was my impression as well. Looked liked Harris dropped him off and started looking for an interior receiver closer to the LOS.

76Texan
08-31-2012, 09:46 AM
I agree, but watching Harris get lit up twice in that Aromashodu TD drive was maddening. Nolan didn't wrap up too well (on the Aromashodu TD) but Harris was the CB that let him run right by him. Harris looks awful and out of position or being run by too many times for my liking.

I could be mistaken but I'm watching it now and he's trailing Aromashodu like he is in man coverage. Even if he wasn't in man, he opens his hips too soon and plays poorly often.

Are you talking about the TD play where Troy Nolan tried to tackle the wr like a fish?

If so i think he was in zone there. He uses a shuffle technique and he let's the wr run by him and it looks like he bit up on a shallow route, but when he saw the ball was thrown he turned an ran.

I'm going off memory here, so I could be completely off. I need to watch it again.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2012083055/2012/PRE4/vikings@texans#menu=highlights&tab=recap

Looks like match man to me; everybody (except the single deep safety Nolan) has a man.

That was Harris all the way.
Of course, Nolan didn't help by missing that tackle, but the catch was on Harris.

76Texan
08-31-2012, 10:03 AM
On Wright's 59-yd TD catch, IMO, it was also on Harris.


http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2012083055/2012/PRE4/vikings@texans#menu=highlights&tab=recap

Even though it was zone, he needs to stretch it and get back.

He needs to read the #2 threat (the TE on his side).
Once he let the receiver gets a free outside release while the TE also gets upfield free in the middle, it's impossible for the Cover 2 safety to handle both threats.

76Texan
08-31-2012, 10:16 AM
On the 76yd TD run, it was a combination of a lot of things.

The WOLB (68 R. Moore, I believe) went too far into the backfield and lost his C gap.
The WDE (72 Hunter) didn't maintain his B gap assignment; he was taken to the A gap by the RB and couldn't recover.

The RCB Harris was the force man, and he lost the edge; he needed to turn the runner in and not let him go to the side line like that.

On top of that, Eddie Pleasant missed the tackle, and it didn't help Keo.

I think his poor angle was due to (at least in part) his expectation of what Harris and Pleasant were about to do.

I don't think I'm going to blame Pleasant too much though.
If Harris had kept to the outside, I think he would have helped Pleasant make that tackle.

And Keo, of course, has never been known for his speed (he ran a 4.74 at the combine and 4.66 at his pro day).

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2012083055/2012/PRE4/vikings@texans#menu=highlights&tab=recap

infantrycak
08-31-2012, 01:03 PM
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2012083055/2012/PRE4/vikings@texans#menu=highlights&tab=recap

Looks like match man to me; everybody (except the single deep safety Nolan) has a man.

That was Harris all the way.
Of course, Nolan didn't help by missing that tackle, but the catch was on Harris.

Not even close to man coverage. Rey nailed it. Harris is in a slow shuffle and never even attempts to keep up with the WR. He's 10 yds behind and inside the WR looking toward the QB when the ball is thrown. He clearly was not attempting man coverage.

The Pencil Neck
08-31-2012, 01:06 PM
Not even close to man coverage. Rey nailed it. Harris is in a slow shuffle and never even attempts to keep up with the WR. He's 10 yds behind and inside the WR looking toward the QB when the ball is thrown. He clearly was not attempting man coverage.

That could have been his mistake, though. He could have been playing zone when he was supposed to have been playing man. Just looking at Harris, it seems clear that he thought he was handing the WR off to the safety but he might not should have done that.

Looked like zone to me but I wasn't looking at what anyone else was doing on the play.

76Texan
08-31-2012, 02:16 PM
That could have been his mistake, though. He could have been playing zone when he was supposed to have been playing man. Just looking at Harris, it seems clear that he thought he was handing the WR off to the safety but he might not should have done that.

Looked like zone to me but I wasn't looking at what anyone else was doing on the play.

To me, it certainly looks like Man in cover 2 (I confused myself a little bit earlier thinking it was single deep safety).

This lies very well within the match-man that Wade employs often (but not all the times).
It allows the underneath defenders to get a jump on the nearest guy.

Notice that on top of the screen, the LCB went deep with the outside receiver

To the inside, the dime back (Keo, I believe) followed the TE to the right flat.

The lone LB (Dobbins, I think) jumped on the RB out of the backfield.

At the bottom of the screen, the RCB (Ball) started on the wide out.
However, as the wide out and the slot receiver ran a pattern that cross each other, Ball dropped his man and followed the slot receiver to the side line.
In the meantime, Harris turned to run with the wide out who ran the inside route.

It's true that the receiver ran to the post on a cover 2 beater, and that the 2 safeties should converge better (especially Nolan).

However, as Harris was trailing to the inside, the receiver stemmed first toward the pylon, Nolan had to defend the corner route first.
The post route remains for Harris to care for.

That is how I see it.

infantrycak
08-31-2012, 02:51 PM
That could have been his mistake, though. He could have been playing zone when he was supposed to have been playing man. Just looking at Harris, it seems clear that he thought he was handing the WR off to the safety but he might not should have done that.

That is entirely possible.

In the meantime, Harris turned to run with the wide out who ran the inside route.

That is how I see it.

Then you need to have your eyes checked. Harris does a slow shuffle. His shoulders and eyes are never turned up field until the ball is in the air. He's jogging sideways not even looking at the WR. He clearly was not trying to stay with the WR. I mean are you really claiming he was trying to stay with that WR in man and is so incompetent he never looks at him and can only run half his speed? Seems an add position since he hung in receivers hip pockets many times in the game.

76Texan
08-31-2012, 03:28 PM
So, ICAK, what kind of zone do you think the Texans were in?

Rey
08-31-2012, 03:33 PM
That is entirely possible.



Then you need to have your eyes checked. Harris does a slow shuffle. His shoulders and eyes are never turned up field until the ball is in the air. He's jogging sideways not even looking at the WR. He clearly was not trying to stay with the WR. I mean are you really claiming he was trying to stay with that WR in man and is so incompetent he never looks at him and can only run half his speed? Seems an add position since he hung in receivers hip pockets many times in the game.


Yeah it looks fairly obvious that he's playing zone there....:shrug:

76Texan
08-31-2012, 03:48 PM
OK, let's do a process of elimination here.

1. If it was straight 5-2 zone, the LCB (on top of the screen) wouldn't drop deep that quickly, and the Dime Keo wouldn't drop out to the flat that far that quickly.

2. If it was a rotating cover 3, the LCB drops deep, but Demps needs to move to the middle; he didn't.

3. If it was cover 4 on the strong side, and cover 2 on the weak side (Harris' side), Demps would still have to move closer to the middle; he didn't.

Dutchrudder
08-31-2012, 03:53 PM
You know, it is entirely possible that one of them didn't get the play call right and was doing the wrong assignment regardless of what the other 9 players were doing. I know they are professionals and all, but we're talking about 2nd and 3rd stringers here, they do make mistakes.

Corrosion
08-31-2012, 05:24 PM
OK, let's do a process of elimination here.

1. If it was straight 5-2 zone, the LCB (on top of the screen) wouldn't drop deep that quickly, and the Dime Keo wouldn't drop out to the flat that far that quickly.

2. If it was a rotating cover 3, the LCB drops deep, but Demps needs to move to the middle; he didn't.

3. If it was cover 4 on the strong side, and cover 2 on the weak side (Harris' side), Demps would still have to move closer to the middle; he didn't.

It looked to me as if they were playing a 2 deep quarter zone on that side of the field and Harris let the guy go too early looking at the inside reciever .... Keo never had a chance on the play as her was also looking at the inside reciever .... Harris guessed wrong and Keo was unable to recover.

The responsibility was likely Keo's being in the deep zone but with Harris letting him go too soon along with the verticle threat of the inside route ... I cant let either of them off the hook.


Dutch is probably right that they got their signals mixed up .... recievers dont generally get open by that margin otherwise.

76Texan
08-31-2012, 05:50 PM
It looked to me as if they were playing a 2 deep quarter zone on that side of the field and Harris let the guy go too early looking at the inside reciever .... Keo never had a chance on the play as her was also looking at the inside reciever .... Harris guessed wrong and Keo was unable to recover.

The responsibility was likely Keo's being in the deep zone but with Harris letting him go too soon along with the verticle threat of the inside route ... I cant let either of them off the hook.


Dutch is probably right that they got their signals mixed up .... recievers dont generally get open by that margin otherwise.

I believe you were talking about the other play, Corrosion.

Harris allowed a free outside release to the WR.

With the threat of the inside receiver also running a deep route, it's impossible for the safety.

You just can't allow a free outside release with 2 receivers running deep routes.
Harris needs to make better reads of the offensive formation and play it accordingly.

That looks like a Richard Smith's defense right there, LOL!

infantrycak
08-31-2012, 07:39 PM
OK, let's do a process of elimination here.

1. If it was straight 5-2 zone, the LCB (on top of the screen) wouldn't drop deep that quickly, and the Dime Keo wouldn't drop out to the flat that far that quickly.

2. If it was a rotating cover 3, the LCB drops deep, but Demps needs to move to the middle; he didn't.

3. If it was cover 4 on the strong side, and cover 2 on the weak side (Harris' side), Demps would still have to move closer to the middle; he didn't.

All the BS about other players and what the scheme could have been doesn't matter. I have watched you play these games before and I ain't playing especially when you ignored my question.

Are you seriously contending that was Brandon Harris intending to man cover his guy and was just physically incapable of following within 10 yards on that play or is your theory he went "oh look someone dropped a quarter way over back toward the QB" and locked onto the shiny object like a racoon?

Rey, Dutch and Corrosion have all made good observations that the blown coverage may have been a misunderstood assignment (which negates your scheme questions) or Harris pulling into too shallow of a zone. But zone is what Harris played.

Or here is another simple question - what CB playing man coverage never turns his shoulders square or looks at the WR before the ball is thrown?

I had previously read through your breakdowns with appreciation for the effort.

Playoffs
08-31-2012, 09:21 PM
Nick Scurfield ‏@NickScurfield
2012 #Texans roster (vs 2011): QB 3(3) RB 3(4) FB 2(2) WR 6(4) TE 2(3) OL 9(9)
DL 6(6) LB 9(8) DB 10(11)
K/P/LS 1(1)

76Texan
08-31-2012, 11:33 PM
All the BS about other players and what the scheme could have been doesn't matter. I have watched you play these games before and I ain't playing especially when you ignored my question.

Are you seriously contending that was Brandon Harris intending to man cover his guy and was just physically incapable of following within 10 yards on that play or is your theory he went "oh look someone dropped a quarter way over back toward the QB" and locked onto the shiny object like a racoon?

Rey, Dutch and Corrosion have all made good observations that the blown coverage may have been a misunderstood assignment (which negates your scheme questions) or Harris pulling into too shallow of a zone. But zone is what Harris played.

Or here is another simple question - what CB playing man coverage never turns his shoulders square or looks at the WR before the ball is thrown?

I had previously read through your breakdowns with appreciation for the effort.

Let me try a different approach.
You think zone, and let's assume that is what it was supposed to be,
What kind of zone was that?
And what was Harris' role in that zone?

Now, I am contending that Harris was taken by the receiver's stem to the corner - which he shouldn't have whether it was zone or man.

If it was zone, he needs to find his landmark and watch for the QB.
He never did that.

If it was man, he failed.

Maybe I don't see it the same way you do, but maybe this is another instance that pictures and vids can tell a better story.

On the other hand, it was nice talking to you.
I guess we choose to see what we want to see.

I'm always open for a possibility that other eyes can be better than mine.
I take into consideration their view and draw up different scenarios.

My work right now is pretty mindless, I can afford to do these things.
I hope you know that I never intend to overlook the scenarios that others mention.

Corrosion
09-01-2012, 06:18 AM
I think the biggest surprise was Nolan being cut and Keo making the roster.

That had to be based upon ST play ....


Hoping like hell they find a competent swing tackle to replace Gardner .... I dont want him within a half a mile of Schaub.

steelbtexan
09-01-2012, 07:23 AM
I think the biggest surprise was Nolan being cut and Keo making the roster.

That had to be based upon ST play ....


Hoping like hell they find a competent swing tackle to replace Gardner .... I dont want him within a half a mile of Schaub.

Yep

Man, the Texans sre in trouble if one of teir OT's go down.

My guess is they would try Brooks at OT before they let a swinging door like Gardner play.

I dont even want to think about the consequences if Brown went down. If they were going to let 2/5's of last yrs OL go you would've thought OL would've been a higher priority in the draft. IMHO

Corrosion
09-01-2012, 01:55 PM
Yep

Man, the Texans sre in trouble if one of teir OT's go down.

My guess is they would try Brooks at OT before they let a swinging door like Gardner play.

I dont even want to think about the consequences if Brown went down. If they were going to let 2/5's of last yrs OL go you would've thought OL would've been a higher priority in the draft. IMHO

They "had" Butler and Newton ... Looked as if the position was nailed down until one gets hurt.
As someone (cant recall who so I cant credit the person) mentioned before about the tackle spot , they were proactive in replacing Winston by drafting Newton the year before , and when you factor in how well Butler played in replacing Brown last year , you had to believe it was sewn up.

I expect they'll look hard for an upgrade there ...

Lucky
09-01-2012, 02:17 PM
...and when you factor in how well Butler played in replacing Brown last year , you had to believe it was sewn up.
If the Texans felt that Butler played well in those 4 games that Brown was suspended in 2010, that was their first mistake. He was eaten alive by premier pass rushers. I felt he would do better on the right side, but I was mistaken. One of the most overrated Texans ever.

Still think Newton has the talent to eventually succeed. He will have to grow up fast to keep Matt safe. Which is why a bigger TE to plant on the right side would be nice.