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pec0sb0b
08-02-2012, 05:23 PM
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2012/2011-pressure-plays-offense

Football Outsiders article 2011 Pressure Plays, Offense shows Matt Schaub was the most pressured QB last year.

M.Schaub Plays/312, Pct Pressure/33.3%, Rk/1
With Pass Pressure Yds/4.5, DVOA/-25.8%, Rk/2
Without Pass Pressure Yds/9.4, DVOA/70.4%, Rk/3

If you recall from last week, the Texans defense led the league in pressure percentage last year. I'm guessing Houston readers aren't as excited about Matt Schaub topping this week's list, especially considering it's a bit of a surprise. Houston's offensive line ranked in the middle of the pack in Adjusted Sack Rate, not dead last, and the unit got a positive review last year from none other than Ben Muth. Schaub took a sack on only 5.2 percent of his dropbacks last season, so the culprit for his high percentage was hurries. If we look only at his throws, Schaub was hurried 30.9 percent of the time, which was 7.6 percent higher than the next-highest quarterback (in this case, Roethlisberger). The silver lining for Schaub is that he didn't respond to all that pressure with a DVOA like Tim Tebow's.

The Good
DVOA without Pressure...Schaub ranked third
DVOA with Pressure...Schaub ranked second

The Bad
Pressures...ranked first
Hurries...ranked first

Two things stand out in these numbers; Matt Schaub is outstanding when defenders are in his face, and last year defenders were in Matt Schaub's face too much.

jaayteetx
08-02-2012, 05:54 PM
Ya, I love it when they blitz Matt because he often burns the defense but it does increase his risk for injury.

NastyNate
08-02-2012, 11:56 PM
I hope this silences the haters for at least a week or two. :kitten:

Thorn
08-02-2012, 11:58 PM
I hope this silences the haters for at least a week or two. :kitten:

I don't think anyone hates Schaub, I just think they worry about his durability.

Goatcheese
08-03-2012, 12:12 AM
Matt Schaub is "average." :rolleyes:

Norg
08-03-2012, 03:29 AM
it was because of eric winston he sucked at pass protection dude was on roller skates

TejasTom
08-03-2012, 07:24 AM
This is fantastic considering Foster out for two games, five games without AJ.

This makes me even more worried about our O line.

Goatcheese
08-03-2012, 07:37 AM
it was because of eric winston he sucked at pass protection dude was on roller skates

No he didn't. Where do these myths get started?

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/07/12/three-years-of-pass-blocking-efficiency-offensive-tackles/

Winston has been one of the most reliable and effective pass blockers at either tackle position throughout the entire NFL.

GlassHalfFull
08-03-2012, 07:46 AM
Does getting sacked count as a pressure?

Cause off the top of my head without looking up stats, I have a hard time believing that Blane Gabbert was pressured less than Schaub.

BrandonLwowski
08-03-2012, 09:07 AM
That number is skewed alot. Matt Schaub does a lot of naked bootleg passes where he doesn't have an olinemen pulling to block. Anytime a quarterback goes on a naked bootleg he is gonna get pressured.

The Pencil Neck
08-03-2012, 09:55 AM
To me, this just says that teams are really worried about our passing game and are bringing a lot of heat. They don't want Matt sitting back there and picking them apart.

Since Matt was only 23rd in the league in terms of sack percentage, he did OK against it and didn't take as many negative plays as he could have.

ThaJokaa
08-03-2012, 11:01 AM
To me, this just says that teams are really worried about our passing game and are bringing a lot of heat. They don't want Matt sitting back there and picking them apart.

Since Matt was only 23rd in the league in terms of sack percentage, he did OK against it and didn't take as many negative plays as he could have.

It helps when you have AJ to throw it to

ChampionTexan
08-03-2012, 11:05 AM
It helps when you have AJ to throw it to

Except that he didn't have AJ to throw it to for 6 (out of 10) games he played in 2011.

Corrosion
08-03-2012, 11:41 AM
I don't think anyone hates Schaub, I just think they worry about his durability.

Matt Schaub is "average." :rolleyes:

Goat I know your post is sarcastic .... but it is somewhat truthful in the eye's of many. They think Schaub is upgradable , that he's no Brady , Brees , Manning or Rogers .... and who wouldnt want one of those guy's under center for their team ?!

HJam72
08-03-2012, 11:48 AM
Goat I know your post is sarcastic .... but it is somewhat truthful in the eye's of many. They think Schaub is upgradable , that he's no Brady , Brees , Manning or Rogers .... and who wouldnt want one of those guy's under center for their team ?!

Um....he's not.

Not complaining, because he's good and everybody can't have one of those, but he's not. It's not his fault either; he just doesn't have an arm like those guys. To me, Matt Schaub is kinda like Peyton Manning, but with a lazer, spaghetti arm, LOL.

Texn4life
08-03-2012, 11:52 AM
Winston wasn't terrible in pass pro last year, but he did struggle some at times. Even he admitted that on the radio. He single handedly kept Miami in the game and almost got TJ killed against Atlanta. It wasn't one of his better years protecting the QB. But Ferguson of the Jets is on the list Goatcheese provided with Winston and Jets fans will admit that it wasn't one of his better years. It happens to even the best of Tackles.

Schaub definitely didn't seem overly pressured to me. There were a few games it didn't even seem like he was touched at all. The Raiders and Ravens games he was beat up and he played a shortened season so maybe the numbers are skewed somewhat because of that.

2012Champs
08-03-2012, 02:04 PM
It helps when you have AJ to throw it to



yeah because AJ was there for matt bailing him out all year

Corrosion
08-03-2012, 02:11 PM
Um....he's not.

Not complaining, because he's good and everybody can't have one of those, but he's not. It's not his fault either; he just doesn't have an arm like those guys. To me, Matt Schaub is kinda like Peyton Manning, but with a lazer, spaghetti arm, LOL.

I agree with that .... but in many a fans eye , nothing short of one of those players is good enough.

Goatcheese
08-03-2012, 04:54 PM
Goat I know your post is sarcastic .... but it is somewhat truthful in the eye's of many. They think Schaub is upgradable , that he's no Brady , Brees , Manning or Rogers .... and who wouldnt want one of those guy's under center for their team ?!

Nobody is saying he's a HoFer, but there's a middle ground between the all time greats and average. :thisbig:

I think he's in a group with guys like Rapistberger, and Rivers but a little behind Eli and Stafford.

pec0sb0b
08-03-2012, 06:40 PM
Schaub definitely didn't seem overly pressured to me. There were a few games it didn't even seem like he was touched at all. The Raiders and Ravens games he was beat up and he played a shortened season so maybe the numbers are skewed somewhat because of that.

I remember a lot of balls being thrown away last year. Typically Schaub will roll out, limiting himself to half the field which rapidly fills with DBs, finds all his receivers covered and ultimately throws the ball out of bounds to avoid an approaching defender. I saw this happen multiple times in certain games and I'm sure these contributed to the high number of hurries in a big way.

Texn4life
08-03-2012, 06:54 PM
I remember a lot of balls being thrown away last year. Typically Schaub will roll out, limiting himself to half the field which rapidly fills with DBs, finds all his receivers covered and ultimately throws the ball out of bounds to avoid an approaching defender. I saw this happen multiple times in certain games and I'm sure these contributed to the high number of hurries in a big way.

Very possible...... I'm more worried about the actual number of hits that he takes. That Raiders game was brutal for him in the 2nd half, and then having to play in Baltimore the following week didn't help one bit. He was kept upright most of the time from what I can remember other than those 2 games save a couple of sacks here and there in the other games.

Lucky
08-04-2012, 12:08 PM
it was because of eric winston he sucked at pass protection dude was on roller skates
The pressure on Schaub had more to do with a) Schaub's lack of mobility and b) Schaub holding the ball trying to make a play downfield. Schaub led NFL QBs in yards per completion (13.9). Big plays downfield are great, but Schaub needs to take the underneath stuff a little more often to reduce the hits.
Winston wasn't terrible in pass pro last year, but he did struggle some at times. Even he admitted that on the radio.
Which calls into question the numbers put forth by Profootball Focus. Remember, these are fans charting the games off of TV replays. Not game tape. With the NFL offering coaches tape to fans this season, maybe the evaluations improve. But, it's still subjective without the knowledge of what a lineman's assignments are on a given play.

BCRich
08-06-2012, 12:52 AM
Do you know what Schaub needs?

I know some of us are completely satisfied with what they've seen from Schaub so far. Others not so much.

What I am thinking, is that Schaub needs a signature move... kinda like Cam Newton's Superman, or Aaron Rodgers "Discount Double Check"

The Pencil Neck
08-06-2012, 02:20 AM
What I am thinking, is that Schaub needs a signature move... kinda like Cam Newton's Superman, or Aaron Rodgers "Discount Double Check"

He's got one.

http://www.ffspin.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Matt-Schaub1.jpg

Granted, it might need some work... maybe run it by some focus groups...

Goatcheese
08-06-2012, 02:26 AM
Just set up a rascal in each endzone. When he scores a TD he can ride it around with his crazy eyes bugging out like a mad man.

http://i.minus.com/ib17KgVyL7A2YD.gif

http://blog.saveapathea.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/crazyeyes.jpg

Corrosion
08-06-2012, 04:41 AM
Um....he's not.

Not complaining, because he's good and everybody can't have one of those, but he's not. It's not his fault either; he just doesn't have an arm like those guys. To me, Matt Schaub is kinda like Peyton Manning, but with a lazer, spaghetti arm, LOL.

I dont disagree with this post .... No , Schaub isnt a Brees , Manning or Brady.

Like you state , not every team can have one of those guy's. My point is that because he's not in that elite class of QB ..... Some fans are ready to move on in favor of the flavor of the week.

There are probably a dozen (maybe more) franchises that wish they had Schaub under center ....

run-david-run
08-08-2012, 11:23 AM
This is what happens when you have no deep threat (AJ out) and a great running game. Doubt we see this again, assuming our offense stays healthy. Or we'll see a bunch of AJ in the end zone.