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NastyNate
08-04-2012, 11:47 AM
He has much more big play potential than Walter has had. If I had to predict I would say he has 1000-1200 yard potential down the line. Obviously it won't happen this year but I think in the right situation he has this kind of production in him.

Its all gonna depend on him though. The best players in this league almost always have the best work ethic.

I'd say Keyshawn Martin has a ton more "big play potential" than Posey. Just curious, did you go to any open practices? No offense intended.

Texn4life
08-04-2012, 11:59 AM
I'd say Keyshawn Martin has a ton more "big play potential" than Posey. Just curious, did you go to any open practices? No offense intended.

None taken, but no I haven't been able to make any this year. Went to a couple last year, but I've been out of town some this past week. I've had to depend on you guys, reporters, Kubiak, and some friends of mine who have been going. One is a former scout in the league so I respect his opinion even though he really didn't say much about the receivers.

As far as Martin having a ton more big play potential you could be right, but Posey has the ability to get behind the defense. Martin is going to be a beast in this league with the YAC he'll be able to pick up. He should be lethal with the ball in his hands. Posey doesn't possess the same run after the catch ability, but he consistently made plays down the field in college. They're 2 totally different type of receivers. If they both max out on potential I believe they both have 1000 yard seasons in them easily.

NastyNate
08-04-2012, 12:11 PM
None taken, but no I haven't been able to make any this year. Went to a couple last year, but I've been out of town some this past week. I've had to depend on you guys, reporters, Kubiak, and some friends of mine who have been going. One is a former scout in the league so I respect his opinion even though he really didn't say much about the receivers.

As far as Martin having a ton more big play potential you could be right, but Posey has the ability to get behind the defense. Martin is going to be a beast in this league with the YAC he'll be able to pick up. He should be lethal with the ball in his hands. Posey doesn't possess the same run after the catch ability, but he consistently made plays down the field in college. They're 2 totally different type of receivers. If they both max out on potential I believe they both have 1000 yard seasons in them easily.

I'd say Martin is more quick than fast, very shifty and I think he fits our WCO system moreso than Posey. From just watching both of them the other day, I'd rather have KW and Andre on the field with Martin in the slot over Posey. Martin actually posted a better 40 time, and his 3 cone is better by nearly 2 tenths, he's a playmaker. Posey looked like an average receiver the other day. Martin impressed.

Texans_Chick
08-04-2012, 12:12 PM
Hey Texans Chick or anyone else that's been to Training Camp, I'm looking for some opinions on Garrett Graham-TE. How's he looked so far? I can't help the feeling that if I'm Kubiak, it's time to stick your foot in Graham's ass for motivational reasons. With Dreesen gone it's time for Graham to step up or go bye bye. Thanks.

Graham's had some nice catches. Will be interesting to see if they use him as the 2nd TE or if they use Casey. They are not using Casey a ton at FB.

Hard to tell a lot on blocking because they haven't done a ton of full pads stuff. They are doing a lot of teaching because of the new pieces on offense.

Texans_Chick
08-04-2012, 12:16 PM
I'd say Martin is more quick than fast, very shifty and I think he fits our WCO system moreso than Posey. From just watching both of them the other day, I'd rather have KW and Andre on the field with Martin in the slot over Posey. Martin actually posted a better 40 time, and his 3 cone is better by nearly 2 tenths, he's a playmaker. Posey looked like an average receiver the other day. Martin impressed.

Over the course of camp, both Martin and Posey have had some flashy days, not flashy days. Posey's size is nice, and Martin has played both in the slot and outside. Next week Kubiak says he's going to try to settle down the WR position so the quarterbacks can get work with the same guys more.

Think Martin may get on the field quicker because he fits the slot role more than Posey and has been working special teams. But both Posey and Jean have had their moments.

Don't think anyone can over emphasize any one or two days. I think this competition is wide open. This preseason will be very interesting.

Honoring Earl 34
08-04-2012, 12:17 PM
Graham's had some nice catches. Will be interesting to see if they use him as the 2nd TE or if they use Casey. They are not using Casey a ton at FB.

Hard to tell a lot on blocking because they haven't done a ton of full pads stuff. They are doing a lot of teaching because of the new pieces on offense.

Chick ... can you compare these camps with the ones of 2006 .

Texn4life
08-04-2012, 12:20 PM
I'd say Martin is more quick than fast, very shifty and I think he fits our WCO system moreso than Posey. From just watching both of them the other day, I'd rather have KW and Andre on the field with Martin in the slot over Posey. Martin actually posted a better 40 time, and his 3 cone is better by nearly 2 tenths, he's a playmaker. Posey looked like an average receiver the other day. Martin impressed.

Like I said you're really comparing apples to oranges in terms of the type of receivers they are. Martin's movements and change of direction are more sudden than Posey, so yeah he'd definitely fit better in the slot. The measurables that you mentioned indicate that.

There are some updates even from today's practice of Posey beating a DB deep and connecting on a long pass so he has a role in this offense as well. Otherwise we wouldn't have drafted him. A lot of what we do in the passing game comes off of play action so there will be opportunities for Posey to make plays down the field. 40 times and all of that are great, but Dickerson ran a 4.40 and he could never beat anyone down the field. I like guys who flash good game speed and Posey made plays down the field in college. As far as Posey looking average, Kubiak and others that have updated all week say he's had a good camp so far. Not everyone is going to always see things the same though so I understand where you're coming from. We'll find out starting next week exactly how far along each of these guys are.

Texans_Chick
08-04-2012, 12:31 PM
Chick ... can you compare these camps with the ones of 2006 .

Not without suffering post traumatic stress symptoms.

Texn4life
08-04-2012, 12:34 PM
Just to kind of add to that as well Nate, if you look at their last 2 full years in college Posey bettered Martin in yards and YPC.

Martin: 2010- 32 rec 394 yards 12.3 YPC
2011- 66 rec 777 yards 11.9 YPC
Posey: 2009- 60 rec 828 yards 13.8 YPC
2010- 53 rec 848 yards 16.0 YPC

This isn't to say that Posey has more big play potential, but just to say to not discount his ability to make plays down the field. It can be argued Posey played with the poorer passer as well in college.

Lucky
08-04-2012, 12:37 PM
Not without suffering post traumatic stress symptoms.
I don't remember the 2006 camp as being that bad. There was still a lot of hope that Kubiak would turn Carr around. The Texans had just had their best draft in franchise history (Williams, Ryans, Spencer, Winston, Daniels). I look back and remember a lot of positives, which coming off a 2-14 season can be hard to find. I felt pretty upbeat watching that camp.

ObsiWan
08-04-2012, 12:40 PM
Over the course of camp, both Martin and Posey have had some flashy days, not flashy days. Posey's size is nice, and Martin has played both in the slot and outside. Next week Kubiak says he's going to try to settle down the WR position so the quarterbacks can get work with the same guys more.

Think Martin may get on the field quicker because he fits the slot role more than Posey and has been working special teams. But both Posey and Jean have had their moments.

Don't think anyone can over emphasize any one or two days. I think this competition is wide open. This preseason will be very interesting.

Went to camp this morning, today the offense looked much sharper than yesterday. As TC said, both KMart and Posey have had flashy moments. Martin made a really nice grab to open the scrimmage session and Posey made a sweet snag on a bomb down the left sideline from Yates (I think) to end the practice session.

Back to the WR plays. It's not like the DBs got beat badly; the DBs were step-for-step with K-Mart & Posey but they made the catches anyway. If these two guys continue to improve one of them may just supplant KW in a year or so. Perhaps before this year is done.

Maybe it's familiarity with what's coming, but the defense seems to stuff nearly every running play. I think during the early scrimmage (when they were on the north end of the field) Forsett got blown up in the backfield - drawing Oooooo's from the bleacher crowd. I know, TC, guys in shorts... don't be too impressed or depressed. :D

Going back on Monday...

Texans_Chick
08-04-2012, 12:41 PM
Just to kind of add to that as well Nate, if you look at their last 2 full years in college Posey bettered Martin in yards and YPC.

Martin: 2010- 32 rec 394 yards 12.3 YPC
2011- 66 rec 777 yards 11.9 YPC
Posey: 2009- 60 rec 828 yards 13.8 YPC
2010- 53 rec 848 yards 16.0 YPC

This isn't to say that Posey has more big play potential, but just to say to not discount his ability to make plays down the field. It can be argued Posey played with the poorer passer as well in college.

Will be nice to see both in a full stadium. Unlike some of the WRs they've tried to develop, they aren't small school guys or development guys. Kubiak needs them to be ready quickly, and both look better in training camp than they did in minicamp.

I wouldn't be too up or too down on any of these guys. There's going to be mistakes because this system demands a lot of the WR position, but there's been plenty to be encouraged about with these guys.

And as an aside, the running back group has looked beastly. Wrap those guys in bubble wrap right away.

Honoring Earl 34
08-04-2012, 12:43 PM
I don't remember the 2006 camp as being that bad. There was still a lot of hope that Kubiak would turn Carr around. The Texans had just had their best draft in franchise history (Williams, Ryans, Spencer, Winston, Daniels). I look back and remember a lot of positives, which coming off a 2-14 season can be hard to find. I felt pretty upbeat watching that camp.

I didn't see a pre Shaub training camp but did see Schaub's first year . I'm curious to see how Kubiak has grown as a coach . I get the feeling they brought in 100% grade A football players who are good for Kubiak's style .

Texn4life
08-04-2012, 12:47 PM
And as an aside, the running back group has looked beastly. Wrap those guys in bubble wrap right away.

Speaking of running backs...... Does Arian look any quicker or faster than last year? It looked to me that he was a tad faster last year than his rookie year. Is he still doing the speed training in the offseason with his brother? It really seemed like to me the work he put in with him paid off.

Texans_Chick
08-04-2012, 12:47 PM
I don't remember the 2006 camp as being that bad. There was still a lot of hope that Kubiak would turn Carr around. The Texans had just had their best draft in franchise history (Williams, Ryans, Spencer, Winston, Daniels). I look back and remember a lot of positives, which coming off a 2-14 season can be hard to find. I felt pretty upbeat watching that camp.

Maybe I just was getting crushed with blog commenters. The David Carr reclamation project was something that zero fans had any patience with, and that whole stupid off-season was Bush/VY bleh combined with Mario Williams toe issue that came up in camp, then plantar fasciitis.

Texans_Chick
08-04-2012, 12:51 PM
Speaking of running backs...... Does Arian look any quicker or faster than last year? It looked to me that he was a tad faster last year than his rookie year. Is he still doing the speed training in the offseason with his brother?

I don't know what his workouts entail but I know he works out with his brother.

I'm not sure about being any quicker. Last year he had all those hamstring issues. Year before he had a clean camp with Tate having more issues.

He, Tate and Forsett just look season ready right now. Just fun to watch Foster pick his spots, has great patience finding blocks and then gliding to a different gear when he sees open space. I think Foster and Martin have the most distinctive running styles in camp. Martin has an interesting suddenness to his runs, like video game stuff.

The Medic01
08-04-2012, 12:57 PM
Off the subject of WRs how does the OLINE look?

Houston_Fanatic
08-04-2012, 01:06 PM
Is Bullock hurt? He wasn't wearing pads yesterday and didn't kick.

CloakNNNdagger
08-04-2012, 01:29 PM
Off the subject of WRs how does the OLINE look?

Head Coach Gary Kubiak
(on the depth at tackle behind Rashad Butler and Derek Newton) Well, right now that would be a little scary because those guys are young. I think (Andrew) Gardner does some good stuff. The young kid (Nathan) Menkin has done some good stuff as well as the kid from Purdue (Nick Mondek) that we drafted. Theyve got talent, but obviously they have a ways to go. Were holding our breath that all three of those guys can stay healthy, but you have to have players that can be flexible too. Maybe Brandon Brooks, at some point, is a flexible player because hes obviously has the size and the feet to play outside too. HT.com

NastyNate
08-04-2012, 01:31 PM
Like I said you're really comparing apples to oranges in terms of the type of receivers they are. Martin's movements and change of direction are more sudden than Posey, so yeah he'd definitely fit better in the slot. The measurables that you mentioned indicate that.



I was comparing apples to apples, you said something along the lines of "big play potential". I see Martin having that in our system more so than Posey because of his YAC ability and just because of his strengths aligning with the lack of depth in the slot position. I can see the argument for Posey's vertical threat in our naked boot plays. Just one man's opinion.

CloakNNNdagger
08-04-2012, 01:33 PM
Hey Texans Chick or anyone else that's been to Training Camp, I'm looking for some opinions on Garrett Graham-TE. How's he looked so far? I can't help the feeling that if I'm Kubiak, it's time to stick your foot in Graham's ass for motivational reasons. With Dreesen gone it's time for Graham to step up or go bye bye. Thanks.

From HT.com this morning:

Kubiak
(on TE Garrett Graham) I think hes one of the more improved players on our team right now. He really has grown up from last year. Hes healthy and performing well. Hes got a big role on this team with Joel (Dreessen) missing and hes shown that hes going to be able to handle that. After a week, Ive been impressed.

CloakNNNdagger
08-04-2012, 01:36 PM
Here are Kubiak's extensive comments from this morning's practice. (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Quotes-Saturday-camp-practice/a8dd6197-3cc3-4f23-a228-c855670cf1d7)

Texn4life
08-04-2012, 01:39 PM
I was comparing apples to apples, you said something along the lines of "big play potential". I see Martin having that in our system more so than Posey because of his YAC ability and just because of his strengths aligning with the lack of depth in the slot position. I can see the argument for Posey's vertical threat in our naked boot plays. Just one man's opinion.

Gotcha, and you have valid points for Martin making big plays EARLIER than Posey because Martin is a natural fit in the slot. Both will have opportunities to make big plays at some point in their careers here. That's the key thing.

NastyNate
08-04-2012, 01:44 PM
Gotcha, and you have valid points for Martin making big plays EARLIER than Posey because Martin is a natural fit in the slot. Both will have opportunities to make big plays at some point in their careers here. That's the key thing.

Indeed, at the very least, several receivers HAVE to step up. We've got 2 proven wide receivers on this team and a bunch of unknowns as it stands. I hope they all stick.

Texans_Chick
08-04-2012, 01:59 PM
Is Bullock hurt? He wasn't wearing pads yesterday and didn't kick.

Nothing mentioned by Kubiak on that yesterday. Today he kicked.

DX-TEX
08-04-2012, 03:10 PM
AlanBurge "Schaub's been with Keshawn Martin for 7 days. Watching that kind of come together & get better each day has been exciting for me." - Kubiak about 1 hour ago reply retweet favorite

So Schaub and Martin are developing a chemistry already? Combine that with what Steph said about Martins running ability being similar to Arians....drool.....

NastyNate
08-04-2012, 03:39 PM
I don't know what his workouts entail but I know he works out with his brother.

I'm not sure about being any quicker. Last year he had all those hamstring issues. Year before he had a clean camp with Tate having more issues.

He, Tate and Forsett just look season ready right now. Just fun to watch Foster pick his spots, has great patience finding blocks and then gliding to a different gear when he sees open space. I think Foster and Martin have the most distinctive running styles in camp. Martin has an interesting suddenness to his runs, like video game stuff.


I definitely got that impression. It was only one practice that I was able to view, but he didn't seem to have to build up speed, he just plants his foot and he's already in second gear. Something very visible in his talent, I think he will be a big asset to the slot game this year.

Porky
08-04-2012, 05:54 PM
(on the tailback competition) I think its the best group Ive ever been around as a coach because of how theyre playing, not because of their names. Itll be interesting to see. I think Arian (Foster) and Ben (Tate) have had an excellent camp. Theyre pushing each other to a level that they dont even understand what theyre doing to each other, but its going to be great for both of them and their career and great for our team.

Kubiak quote there - Man that excites me. We have crazy good depth and when you have two guys as good as Tate and Foster, that competition can only bring out the best in each. Is there a better group at RB in the league? If not, I want to know who is. LOVE it!

infantrycak
08-04-2012, 06:12 PM
Kubiak quote there - Man that excites me. We have crazy good depth and when you have two guys as good as Tate and Foster, that competition can only bring out the best in each. Is there a better group at RB in the league? If not, I want to know who is. LOVE it!

Well at least some folks considered them number one mid last season - Link (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/934308-6-best-running-back-tandems-in-the-nfl/page/7)

#2 lost their #2. #3 has shown no faith in their #2. #4 had their #2 fail a conditioning test. And frankly #5 was a joke.

GP
08-05-2012, 12:35 AM
I keep thinking of Derrick Mason's best years when I read about Martin in this thread.

Mason was a killer on the field because he would snag stuff and get crazy YAC out of it. He was a 3rd down machine, IIRC.

Defenses gonna have to pick their poison between Foster/Tate, OD/Graham, AJ, and KW/Martin.

I like our receivers this year. Even with the departure if Dreessen...I feel like we're going to see a better passing game this year. I mean that.

The Pencil Neck
08-05-2012, 12:56 AM
I like our receivers this year. Even with the departure if Dreessen...I feel like we're going to see a better passing game this year. I mean that.

I have hope for this receiving corps' potential.

But I don't know how that's going to translate when bullets start to fly for real. I want to at least see a couple of pre-season games before I go crazy over them.

Texn4life
08-05-2012, 01:40 AM
Defenses gonna have to pick their poison between Foster/Tate, OD/Graham, AJ, and KW/Martin.

I like our receivers this year. Even with the departure if Dreessen...I feel like we're going to see a better passing game this year. I mean that.

Don't forget about Casey. Before he got hurt he was a big factor in our offense last year. I keep bringing this name up, but I see him as our Frank Wycheck. Kubiak referred to him as his "Jim Thorpe" and I see him playing a major role this year. There aren't many players who can play full back, tight end, split out wide as a receiver, and then even take a toss at the tail back position like he did last year.

Texans_Chick
08-05-2012, 07:33 AM
So Schaub and Martin are developing a chemistry already? Combine that with what Steph said about Martins running ability being similar to Arians....drool.....

No, they don't run the same, but similarly, they have unique running styles.

Arian has a way of running where it is almost like he is gliding and doesn't look like he is running fast but is. He picks his spots and then gets into his extra gear in a way that makes him hard to tackle.

Martin has a suddenness to the way he runs, sort of a relentless choppiness that has the ability to embarrass defenders.

What I'm saying is that they have running styles that are so unique that even if you didn't see numbers on them, you could tell who they were by the way they run.

Texans_Chick
08-05-2012, 09:17 AM
Day 8 2012 Texans training camp: My view on position competitions (http://blog.chron.com/texanschick/2012/08/day-8-2012-texans-camp-competitions/)

Lots of stuff there.

Including a fun picture of Matt Schaub. I started getting requests on Twitter for avatar pictures, so I then started taking a different picture every day. Yesterday I was able to get Schaub to do one, and this is the pose he chose.

b0ng
08-05-2012, 09:46 AM
Day 8 2012 Texans training camp: My view on position competitions (http://blog.chron.com/texanschick/2012/08/day-8-2012-texans-camp-competitions/)

Lots of stuff there.

Including a fun picture of Matt Schaub. I started getting requests on Twitter for avatar pictures, so I then started taking a different picture every day. Yesterday I was able to get Schaub to do one, and this is the pose he chose.

I don't think that fullback is really a key competition. I'm much more interested, as a fan, in which guy with <2 seasons emerges as a pass catching threat.

GP
08-05-2012, 11:01 AM
Don't forget about Casey. Before he got hurt he was a big factor in our offense last year. I keep bringing this name up, but I see him as our Frank Wycheck. Kubiak referred to him as his "Jim Thorpe" and I see him playing a major role this year. There aren't many players who can play full back, tight end, split out wide as a receiver, and then even take a toss at the tail back position like he did last year.

Yes. Agree with you.

I left him out sort of on purpose...to show that he's a guy who's an extra threat that adds to the problems of a d-coord.

He's an x-factor guy. Other guys are likely splitting time...Casey is all over the field playing whatever position Kubiak wants/needs on any given play.

Specnatz
08-05-2012, 11:50 AM
I don't think that fullback is really a key competition. I'm much more interested, as a fan, in which guy with <2 seasons emerges as a pass catching threat.

The 49ers of the 80's would disagree with you and Tom Rathman would like a word with you. With a suspect O-Line (or Unknown if you prefer) it maybe one of the more crucial positions than any other on the team this season.

Rey
08-05-2012, 11:52 AM
Day 8 2012 Texans training camp: My view on position competitions (http://blog.chron.com/texanschick/2012/08/day-8-2012-texans-camp-competitions/)

Lots of stuff there.

Including a fun picture of Matt Schaub. I started getting requests on Twitter for avatar pictures, so I then started taking a different picture every day. Yesterday I was able to get Schaub to do one, and this is the pose he chose.

I don't think newton is going to be a "swing tackle" just based off of my own observations.

Seems like he will play the RT position regardless of which tackle gets injured.

I think they will do what they've done which is move butler to LT. They probably trust him more to handle that side.

CloakNNNdagger
08-05-2012, 12:14 PM
I don't think newton is going to be a "swing tackle" just based off of my own observations.

Seems like he will play the RT position regardless of which tackle gets injured.

I think they will do what they've done which is move butler to LT. They probably trust him more to handle that side.

Strongly agree. Even draft scouts were speaking of Newton not being able to handle the LT position at the NFL level because he demonstrated limited quickness and lateral mobility. He should do fine at RT, but like Winston, he may have problems with around the end speed rushers.

b0ng
08-05-2012, 12:36 PM
The 49ers of the 80's would disagree with you and Tom Rathman would like a word with you. With a suspect O-Line (or Unknown if you prefer) it maybe one of the more crucial positions than any other on the team this season.

The 80's was 30 years ago, and Tom Rathman ain't walkin through that door. The Texans have proven over the last couple of years that great fullback (Leach) or not (Vickers) they will get their yards on the ground.

Allstar
08-05-2012, 07:37 PM
I'm getting pretty excited about Martin.

CloakNNNdagger
08-05-2012, 07:45 PM
To anyone attending practice, pay attention to the appearance of Schaub's legs and see if you perceive any differences in their development/thickness.

HOU-TEX
08-06-2012, 10:22 AM
DB, AJ and KJ were all back at practice. AJ took about 20 reps. KJ took about half his usual and DB went the entire practice.

Per Twitter post practice tweets

GlassHalfFull
08-06-2012, 10:36 AM
To anyone attending practice, pay attention to the appearance of Schaub's legs and see if you perceive any differences in their development/thickness.

Poor Schaub, he is gonna wonder why all these guys are staring at his legs. :toropalm:

SheTexan
08-06-2012, 11:06 AM
Poor Schaub, he is gonna wonder why all these guys are staring at his legs. :toropalm:

I'm gonna look at his legs on Thursday, BUT, I'm really a TE kinda gal!:winky:

badboy
08-06-2012, 12:34 PM
DB, AJ and KJ were all back at practice. AJ took about 20 reps. KJ took about half his usual and DB went the entire practice.

Per Twitter post practice tweetsthanks

SteveSlaton20
08-06-2012, 08:01 PM
I really haven't been paying attention to TC this year, so if anyone doesn't mind, will give me the rundown of the TC so far?

And someone told me Tate's looking terrible this offseason, is that true?

infantrycak
08-06-2012, 08:06 PM
I really haven't been paying attention to TC this year, so if anyone doesn't mind, will give me the rundown of the TC so far?

And someone told me Tate's looking terrible this offseason, is that true?

Best way to catch up would be Texan Chick's blog on the Chronicle.

Have not heard even the hint of a rumor about Tate not looking good.

SteveSlaton20
08-06-2012, 08:29 PM
Best way to catch up would be Texan Chick's blog on the Chronicle.

Have not heard even the hint of a rumor about Tate not looking good.

That's good, not sure the guy was trolling or just an idiot. He wanted to trade him for a WR and have UDFA Johnathan Grimes our backup.

TejasTom
08-06-2012, 08:43 PM
To anyone attending practice, pay attention to the appearance of Schaub's legs and see if you perceive any differences in their development/thickness.

I was going to make a joke about watching the cheerleader's legs...


I attended one last week. He signed autographs before and after practice so we were close. I was looking more to see if he favored either foot walking or standing. There was nothing noticeable in his gait, stride or stance.

The Pencil Neck
08-06-2012, 08:59 PM
That's good, not sure the guy was trolling or just an idiot. He wanted to trade him for a WR and have UDFA Johnathan Grimes our backup.

Wait. What?

First off, we've got Forsett as our #3 now. He's looked really rocking in practice. From the reports, the Foster-Tate-Forsett triumvirate has been looking very good in practice.

I guess that might make Tate expendable but there's no way I'd go there.

At the WR spot, Martin has been killing it in TC by all accounts and Jean and Posey have been looking pretty good, too. Granted, they're rookies and the real bullets haven't started flying, yet, so they might all be fools gold.

But personally, I feel better having Tate and Forsett behind Foster than I'd feel trading Tate for a WR, at this point.

Brisco_County
08-06-2012, 10:41 PM
I really haven't been paying attention to TC this year, so if anyone doesn't mind, will give me the rundown of the TC so far?

And someone told me Tate's looking terrible this offseason, is that true?

What Cak said about TC's blog.

Kubiak has said that Tate and Foster have been competing hard and pushing each other, and they probably don't even realize how much better it is making them, and what it'll do for their careers. He also said that this is the best RB squad he's ever worked with.

So I'm guessing that Tate looks just fine.

I'd link the quotes, but I'm posting from my phone.

ObsiWan
08-07-2012, 07:45 AM
I really haven't been paying attention to TC this year, so if anyone doesn't mind, will give me the rundown of the TC so far?

And someone told me Tate's looking terrible this offseason, is that true?

Whoever that "someone" is, don't ever believe anything else they tell you again.
Ever.

Our RB position is the most solid squad, top to bottom, on the team. Tate & Foster picked up right where they left off last season. And Forsett looks like a steal and Grimes, and any previous year, would be a candidate for #3 RB. He may have a shot on S/Ts.

And if Posey and K.Martin continue to develop and show more and more of the flashes they've been showing in camp and LeStar Jean continues to improve from last camp, Bryant Johnson may get cut.

And I've been to three of the open practices so this is what my eyes are telling me.

GP
08-07-2012, 08:30 AM
Will Schaub play in the opening preseason game this Saturday???

Has he had any real traffic thrown at him in TC yet? I just have to wonder if he's really ready or just "10-yard safety zone around him" ready.

Texans_Chick
08-07-2012, 09:12 AM
To anyone attending practice, pay attention to the appearance of Schaub's legs and see if you perceive any differences in their development/thickness.

They look the same. Schaub looks like Schaub. Watch him careful near the end of practices when he is tired to see if he limps any, nothing.

Sharpton's legs are not even. I will be surprised if he starts the season.

Texans_Chick
08-07-2012, 09:15 AM
I really haven't been paying attention to TC this year, so if anyone doesn't mind, will give me the rundown of the TC so far?

And someone told me Tate's looking terrible this offseason, is that true?

Tate looks like he is in crushing fools mode. His healthiest camp so far. (KNOCK ON WOOD).

Latest training camp report here: My 2012 Texans training camp things to watch, and the Charles Spencer project
(http://blog.chron.com/texanschick/2012/08/my-2012-texans-training-camp-things-to-watch-and-the-charles-spencer-project/)

Scroll back through the reports. This is my last one for a while because I am doing family stuff. Yes, I have a life outside of football stuff.

CloakNNNdagger
08-07-2012, 09:25 AM
They look the same. Schaub looks like Schaub. Watch him careful near the end of practices when he is tired to see if he limps any, nothing.

Sharpton's legs are not even. I will be surprised if he starts the season.

Thanks, as always.

CloakNNNdagger
08-07-2012, 09:33 AM
They look the same. Schaub looks like Schaub. Watch him careful near the end of practices when he is tired to see if he limps any, nothing.

Sharpton's legs are not even. I will be surprised if he starts the season.

That gives additional credence to a compensatory hip flexor injury I proposed earlier.

Brisco_County
08-07-2012, 09:45 AM
Tate looks like he is in crushing fools mode. His healthiest camp so far. (KNOCK ON WOOD).

Latest training camp report here: My 2012 Texans training camp things to watch, and the Charles Spencer project
(http://blog.chron.com/texanschick/2012/08/my-2012-texans-training-camp-things-to-watch-and-the-charles-spencer-project/)

Scroll back through the reports. This is my last one for a while because I am doing family stuff. Yes, I have a life outside of football stuff.

Thanks for the work you've done. Many of us rely on your camp reports. You're like our head spy.

The Medic01
08-07-2012, 10:40 AM
Tate looks like he is in crushing fools mode. His healthiest camp so far. (KNOCK ON WOOD).

Latest training camp report here: My 2012 Texans training camp things to watch, and the Charles Spencer project
(http://blog.chron.com/texanschick/2012/08/my-2012-texans-training-camp-things-to-watch-and-the-charles-spencer-project/)

Scroll back through the reports. This is my last one for a while because I am doing family stuff. Yes, I have a life outside of football stuff.

I really didn't notice much run defense struggles.Ray Rice and MJD had two good games against us. Maybe the Oanthers but that's not the conventional run defense. I think that speaks more to our backs and hopefully OLINE than our run defense.

b0ng
08-07-2012, 11:03 AM
That gives additional credence to a compensatory hip flexor injury I proposed earlier.

Judging by what you may have read or seen in video form, what's your opinion on Schaub's progression through his rehabilition of his foot injury?

CloakNNNdagger
08-07-2012, 12:43 PM
Judging by what you may have read or seen in video form, what's your opinion on Schaub's progression through his rehabilition of his foot injury?

For not really having to be concerned now with being hit, i.e., need for sudden awkward movement, and planting and weight shift and movement against resistance, he appears to be progressing well. He seems to plant with a full flat foot to the ground avoiding any rocking off the front of his plant foot. He will probably be limited significantly in reps during preseason. So his real test will come during the regular season where his foot will be repeatedly stressed and tested. How he holds up to these repeated forces week in and week out will be the final test and is yet to be seen. I remain very guarded about his ability to stay on the field, especially if it is necessary for him to adjust his mechanics to protect his foot. Again, as a Texans fan, I will keep my hopes as high as I keep up my guard.

GP
08-07-2012, 12:47 PM
For not really having to be concerned now with being hit, i.e., need for sudden awkward movement, and planting and weight shift and movement against resistance, he appears to be progressing well. He seems to plant with a full flat foot to the ground avoiding any rocking off the front of his plant foot. He will probably be limited significantly in reps during preseason. So his real test will come during the regular season where his foot will be repeatedly stressed and tested. How he holds up to these repeated forces week in and week out will be the final test and is yet to be seen. I remain very guarded about his ability to stay on the field, especially if it is necessary for him to adjust his mechanics to protect his foot. Again, as a Texans fan, I will keep my hopes as high as I keep up my guard.

It says I must spread rep to others before giving it to CnD again. :(

Can someone get him for me?

That last sentence was perfectly worded. 100%.

Thorn
08-07-2012, 01:03 PM
It says I must spread rep to others before giving it to CnD again. :(

Can someone get him for me?

That last sentence was perfectly worded. 100%.

Got him. He deserved it anyway, as I feel the same way. Just because I love the Texans with every ounce of my football being, it doesn't mean I can't be realistic about them.

drs23
08-07-2012, 01:12 PM
It says I must spread rep to others before giving it to CnD again. :(

Can someone get him for me?

That last sentence was perfectly worded. 100%.

Done.

Cjeremy635
08-07-2012, 09:13 PM
It says I must spread rep to others before giving it to CnD again. :(

Can someone get him for me?

That last sentence was perfectly worded. 100%.

I got him for you too. His information has been great on all of the questions he has responded to.

Kaiser Toro
08-08-2012, 04:50 AM
Yes, I have a life outside of football stuff.

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TejasTom
08-08-2012, 09:00 AM
On the radio this morning, Nick Wright said "There is a player on the jugs machine and he has dropped 3 of 9 nine balls so far.

One armed JJ Watt."

Wow!


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Honoring Earl 34
08-08-2012, 09:15 AM
Tate looks like he is in crushing fools mode. His healthiest camp so far. (KNOCK ON WOOD).

Latest training camp report here: My 2012 Texans training camp things to watch, and the Charles Spencer project
(http://blog.chron.com/texanschick/2012/08/my-2012-texans-training-camp-things-to-watch-and-the-charles-spencer-project/)

Scroll back through the reports. This is my last one for a while because I am doing family stuff. Yes, I have a life outside of football stuff.

You were mentioned on the Texans all access by Nick Scurfield .

HOU-TEX
08-08-2012, 10:02 AM
Cushing spent the night in Hospital due to illness. They sent him to Hospital to speed up recovery time.

Nick Scurfield‏@NickScurfield

LB Brian Cushing (illness) missed practice after spending the night in a hospital. Could be back w/ team this afternoon

Gary Kubiak said he's "not worried" about Cushing- team sent him to hospital to help him recover quickly #Texans

Playoffs
08-08-2012, 10:18 AM
https://p.twimg.com/AzyQdoOCEAA1N1k.jpg

KMG 365
08-08-2012, 11:25 AM
Keyaron Fox suffered a knee injury during practice this morning. Kubiak doesn't know the extent of the injury yet. Fingers crossed it isn't as bad as it could be.

With Sharpton on PUP that thins out the ILB position even more.

This will give Shawn Loiseau a golden opportunity to show his talents. Better take advantage of it kid.

gary
08-08-2012, 11:45 AM
Overcoming injuries is very important the Giants had several last year.

Thorn
08-08-2012, 02:28 PM
Saturday is so very close now!!!! :hurrah:

The Pencil Neck
08-08-2012, 03:23 PM
Saturday is so very close now!!!! :hurrah:

Stop getting my hopes up!

Heath Shuler
08-08-2012, 04:32 PM
http://www.texansbullpen.com/12photogallery/Preseason/2012-07-28-TrainingCamp/Photos/DSC_0214.JPG

Who is the other coach in this pic, always seems to be near Kubiak and kinda runs practice.

GuerillaBlack
08-08-2012, 05:57 PM
Stop getting my hopes up!

Smooth sailing after this hump day is over.

NastyNate
08-08-2012, 06:43 PM
Keyaron Fox suffered a knee injury during practice this morning. Kubiak doesn't know the extent of the injury yet. Fingers crossed it isn't as bad as it could be.

With Sharpton on PUP that thins out the ILB position even more.

This will give Shawn Loiseau a golden opportunity to show his talents. Better take advantage of it kid.

He was going against 3's, but Louiseau was playing his ass off on the day I was there, shedding blockers and meeting the ball carrier at the LOS or behind it. Then he got blown up by the right guard and slipped on one play so I bit my tongue. I really liked his football IQ though, seems very fluid and natural instinct to get to the ball.

GP
08-09-2012, 03:36 PM
LINK TO FULL STORY HERE. (http://houston.cbslocal.com/2012/08/09/texans-notes-preparing-for-carolina/)

Today was the last practice before the Texans’ first preseason game, and the Texans prepared by running plays from the Carolina offense.

1. Along with the other players who have been injured throughout the week, Shaun Cody, Owen Daniels, and Randy Bullock did not practice.

2. Brian Cushing did not report to practice today after spending time in the hospital with an illness. Cushing has been released, and he is expected to play in the preseason opener against Carolina.

and...

4. Dropped passes were a big problem at camp today. Rookie Tight End Logan Brock had the most difficulty, and Gary Kubiak got particularly frustrated with wide receiver Juaquin Iglesias after he missed an easy catch during seven-on-sevens.

5. The defense got off to a shaky start with several blown coverages, but tightened up towards the end of practice.

I left out numbers 3 and 6 from the list of observations, so you need to click the link to see those two notes on how the RBs looked and the situation at LB.

JCTexan
08-09-2012, 04:30 PM
LINK TO FULL STORY HERE. (http://houston.cbslocal.com/2012/08/09/texans-notes-preparing-for-carolina/)



and...



I left out numbers 3 and 6 from the list of observations, so you need to click the link to see those two notes on how the RBs looked and the situation at LB.

#3 mentions Jonathan Grimes. Everything I'm hearing about him says he's doing good so far. So is Forsett. Is there a possibility with Houston keeping four RB's this year?

GP
08-09-2012, 04:39 PM
#3 mentions Jonathan Grimes. Everything I'm hearing about him says he's doing good so far. So is Forsett. Is there a possibility with Houston keeping four RB's this year?

My immediate gut instinct says Grimes to the PS.

I don't see Kubiak doing away with precedent, and the precedent has been that the Texans carry 3 RBs. Well, that might not be true. I seem to remember back in the Ahman Green or Ron Dayne era here that we ended up having only two RBs on a game day roster for some reason, and they both got dinged up and one of them is out there hobbling around because there was nobody else left to pull RB duty.

Maybe I'm wrong though. I know that one time last year, Foster was banged up and Ward got banged up (a blow to the head or something), and I think Ben Tate or Chris O. ended up being the only RB we had for the rest of a game. IIRC.

But I don't see us carrying more than 3 RBs, and IIRC the only guy out of the four RBs who is PS eligible is Grimes. And frankly, teams tend to not poach other teams' 53-man cutdown guys...so a guy like Grimes (who is raw in terms of NFL experience, just like other teams' version of Grimes right now) will likely pass waivers and hit our PS squad where he can be called up if any of our starting three RBs get banged up on a Sunday in the reg season.

I think Case Keenum, if he has a decent preseason and looks like Chase Daniel did for the Saints a few years back, will be poached off waivers if we try to get Case to the PS. But Grimes? I think he is a PS guy all the way, IMO.

ChampionTexan
08-09-2012, 04:59 PM
I think Case Keenum, if he has a decent preseason and looks like Chase Daniel did for the Saints a few years back, will be poached off waivers if we try to get Case to the PS. But Grimes? I think he is a PS guy all the way, IMO.

Daniel wasn't actually poached off waivers. Nobody claimed him when the Redskins let him go in their final cut. He went to the Saints PS after going unclaimed (Although I believe he did choose them over the same offer from the Redskins).

He spent the first three weeks of the '09 season on the Saints practice squad, got promoted to the 53 man roster for about two weeks, and then bounced back and forth between the PS and the 53 man roster a couple of times before landing on the 53 man roster for good prior to the Saints last regular season game in 2009 (technically, Jan. 2010). He actually ended up getting waived three times during the '09 season (Once by Washington and twice by New Orleans), and cleared waivers all three times.

I may end up being wrong, but unless Case looks incredible, I just have a difficult time seeing his stock rise that much between the draft and the end of preseason.

GP
08-09-2012, 05:02 PM
Daniel wasn't actually poached off waivers. Nobody claimed him when the Redskins let him go in their final cut. He went to the Saints PS after going unclaimed (Although I believe he did choose them over the same offer from the Redskins).

He spent the first three weeks of the '09 season on the Saints practice squad, got promoted to the 53 man roster for about two weeks, and then bounced back and forth between the PS and the 53 man roster a couple of times before landing on the 53 man roster for good prior to the Saints last regular season game in 2009 (technically, Jan. 2010). He actually ended up getting waived three times during the '09 season (Once by Washington and twice by New Orleans), and cleared waives all three times.

I may end up being wrong, but unless Case looks incredible, I just have a difficult time seeing his stock rise that much between the draft and the end of preseason.

Wow! Here I had thought that he was drafted by Saints, and that they kept him on active 53 rather than send him to PS!!!

My bad. Good catch!

ChampionTexan
08-09-2012, 05:07 PM
Wow! Here I had thought that he was drafted by Saints, and that they kept him on active 53 rather than send him to PS!!!

My bad. Good catch!

Not drafted by anyone - signed as a UDFA with the Redskins.

JCTexan
08-09-2012, 05:13 PM
My immediate gut instinct says Grimes to the PS.

I don't see Kubiak doing away with precedent, and the precedent has been that the Texans carry 3 RBs. Well, that might not be true. I seem to remember back in the Ahman Green or Ron Dayne era here that we ended up having only two RBs on a game day roster for some reason, and they both got dinged up and one of them is out there hobbling around because there was nobody else left to pull RB duty.

Maybe I'm wrong though. I know that one time last year, Foster was banged up and Ward got banged up (a blow to the head or something), and I think Ben Tate or Chris O. ended up being the only RB we had for the rest of a game. IIRC.

But I don't see us carrying more than 3 RBs, and IIRC the only guy out of the four RBs who is PS eligible is Grimes. And frankly, teams tend to not poach other teams' 53-man cutdown guys...so a guy like Grimes (who is raw in terms of NFL experience, just like other teams' version of Grimes right now) will likely pass waivers and hit our PS squad where he can be called up if any of our starting three RBs get banged up on a Sunday in the reg season.

I think Case Keenum, if he has a decent preseason and looks like Chase Daniel did for the Saints a few years back, will be poached off waivers if we try to get Case to the PS. But Grimes? I think he is a PS guy all the way, IMO.

Fair enough. I just like the benefit of keeping Grimes over a #6 WR (namely Bryant Johnson), and I think it could end-up being costly risking Grimes to the PS down the line.

Brandon420tx
08-09-2012, 08:18 PM
I think the only way we lose Grimes is if he explodes in one of the pre-season games and makes the league take notice. Every team has young players who look good in camp but don't warrant a spot from the vets and go to the PS and most teams just look to their own PS.

ObsiWan
08-11-2012, 06:09 AM
Not drafted by anyone - signed as a UDFA with the Redskins.

Just as keenum was an UDFA....

Perhaps he is P/S stashable.

rmartin65
08-12-2012, 12:29 PM
So when are the cut dates? Ball has to be gone in the first round of cuts.

Decided not to be lazy and googled it- the 28th is the cut down to 80, and the 2nd is the cut to 53.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3818981

amazing80
08-12-2012, 01:01 PM
Look for Grimes to get a ride to Texans IR Resort this pre-season with a questionable injury. It seems every year a talented rookie (or one we have high hopes for) lands on IR with a goofy injury or phantom injury just so teams cannot claim them off the PS

Wolf
08-12-2012, 05:28 PM
If this was posted and i missed it , my apologizes

http://www.inthebullseye.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1513&page=2
I read that JJo and Manning are working with the receivers on tips on recognizing coverage and how to get open
Nick Scurfield ‏@NickScurfield

Veteran leadership: FS Danieal Manning working extra after practice w/ rookie WR DeVier Posey pic.twitter.com/1zUbwh6P
https://p.twimg.com/AzOPM8fCAAAQuiW.jpg

my eyes are going I thought the pic was of this week and not from around the first of the month

SAMURAITEXAN
08-12-2012, 07:31 PM
Look for Grimes to get a ride to Texans IR Resort this pre-season with a questionable injury. It seems every year a talented rookie (or one we have high hopes for) lands on IR with a goofy injury or phantom injury just so teams cannot claim them off the PS

Yep! You are right on IR resort. You don't want to risk losing talented rookie on wavers list.

Go Texans!!!

KMG 365
08-13-2012, 12:15 AM
So when are the cut dates? Ball has to be gone in the first round of cuts.

Decided not to be lazy and googled it- the 28th is the cut down to 80, and the 2nd is the cut to 53.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3818981

Those dates are incorrect.

First cut-down day is August 27. Teams must be down to 75 players by 3pm CT. Last cut-down day is August 31. Teams must be down to 53 players by 8pm CT.

Norg
08-13-2012, 02:39 AM
SO is sharpton out again for the hole year ????

LEATHERHEAD
08-13-2012, 05:15 AM
man i sure hope not,,had hope he was going to take that next step

rmartin65
08-13-2012, 06:38 AM
Those dates are incorrect.

First cut-down day is August 27. Teams must be down to 75 players by 3pm CT. Last cut-down day is August 31. Teams must be down to 53 players by 8pm CT.

Sounds pretty much the same, but thanks for the correction. They dont give you a lot of time between the 75 cut and the 53 do they?

The Pencil Neck
08-13-2012, 10:18 AM
Sounds pretty much the same, but thanks for the correction. They dont give you a lot of time between the 75 cut and the 53 do they?

Back in the old days (iirc), there were multiple cutdown dates through the pre-season so it made sense. But I think during the negotiations with the players union, the number of cut-downs got reduced and the first cut-down got pushed further and further back until now, it's almost stupid to have 2 cut-down dates.

Playoffs
08-15-2012, 11:01 AM
Happy birthday, Coach!

Nick Scurfield ‏@NickScurfield
#Texans head coach Gary Kubiak turned 51 today. He was 44 when the Texans hired him on 1/26/06

Thorn
08-17-2012, 10:37 AM
So, Kubiak is younger than me. That must be why I make better football decisions. :lol:

kwayshauntay
08-17-2012, 12:08 PM
Drew Dougherty :clap:



http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-media/videos/Puntos-Extra-Antes-de-los-49ers/c2f06c33-dc59-4b5f-a881-472faf6edb09

bhsman
08-17-2012, 02:38 PM
Drew Dougherty :clap:



http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-media/videos/Puntos-Extra-Antes-de-los-49ers/c2f06c33-dc59-4b5f-a881-472faf6edb09

Dios mio.

rmartin65
08-25-2012, 02:13 PM
Providing I counted correctly, we have 85 players on the roster, plus one on the PUP (Sharpton), one who is suspended (Hartmann), two on IR (Fox and Sonny Harris) and one who did not report (Dwight Jones). The first cut down date down to 75 is the 27th (Monday), 10 players will be cut between this game and the last preseason game. Who are your guesses?

My best guess at the cuts would be Cody Wallace (C #70)Alan Ball (CB #36), Jimmy Saddler-McQueen (DE #67), Kasey Studdard (OG # 64), Cody White (OG #67), Rennie Moore (OLB #68), DJ Bryant (OLB #69), Nathan Menkin (OT #77), Juaquin Iglesias (WR #19), and WR Jerrell Jackson (WR #87)gets IRed.