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KMG 365
07-18-2012, 01:01 PM
Here are some snippets from an article on Jeff Maehl:

His goal this season is to make the team out of training camp, which gets underway a week from Friday, Maehl said.

"First of all is to make the 53," he said. "It's a dream come true for me. When I was a little kid, all I wanted to do was play a college sport and then to be able to take it to the next level and play professionally is a dream come true. I find myself sometimes at practice looking over and seeing Andre Johnson next to me and thinking how surreal it is."

Johnson and Walter are the only Houston receivers to have caught an NFL pass.

"A lot of inexperience and just a lot of competition, and that's something we're all looking forward to," Maehl said. "The coaches are looking forward to us battling. It's pretty much wide open for whoever steps up and takes it."

"They don't expect guys like me and Lestar to make mental mistakes that we made as rookies," Maehl said. "So just continuing to stay consistent, and then it all comes down to making plays and showing your worth out there."

Read more by clicking on the link.

http://www.chicoer.com/sports/ci_21100361/maehls-time-now-paradise-high-grad-set-second

It's going to be tough for him to make the 53-man roster if the Texans only carry five WRs. If they decide to carry six WRs then I see him making the team.

Norg
07-18-2012, 03:29 PM
we deff need Maehl and lestar to come up big 4 us this year if they make the team

powda
07-18-2012, 04:21 PM
If they decide to carry six WRs then I see him making the team.

Wr is the most unproven position on the team. Just a guess but I think this will be the first year in a while they carry 6.

bayoudreamn
07-18-2012, 04:33 PM
Here are some snippets from an article on Jeff Maehl:







Read more by clicking on the link.

http://www.chicoer.com/sports/ci_21100361/maehls-time-now-paradise-high-grad-set-second

It's going to be tough for him to make the 53-man roster if the Texans only carry five WRs. If they decide to carry six WRs then I see him making the team.


Why is it going to be any tougher for him to make the 53 than anyone else?? I understand size and speed as difference makers but heart and vision are not so easy to quantify. This is why they PLAY the game.....otherwise, we just throw the numbers on the board and call it a day.

Texn4life
07-18-2012, 04:38 PM
If we carry 6 receivers he makes the team over Holliday and Jackson most likely, but I don't think we carry 6. I also think he'll have a hope Holliday falls on his face on special teams during the pre-season.

If the reports that Holliday was the most improved and impressive receiver during OTAs and minicamp are true then it should be a pretty good battle between the bottom 2 or 3 guys.

JCTexan
07-18-2012, 04:45 PM
Why is it going to be any tougher for him to make the 53 than anyone else?? I understand size and speed as difference makers but heart and vision are not so easy to quantify. This is why they PLAY the game.....otherwise, we just throw the numbers on the board and call it a day.

Well, the Texans are likely only going to keep five WR's. Of those five Andre Johnson, Kevin Walter, Devier Posey and Keshawn Martin are practically locks to make the team. That should leave one more spot for either Jeff Maehl and Lestar Jean; and Jean seems to be the favorite around here to win that battle.

bayoudreamn
07-18-2012, 06:17 PM
Well, the Texans are likely only going to keep five WR's. Of those five Andre Johnson, Kevin Walter, Devier Posey and Keshawn Martin are practically locks to make the team. That should leave one more spot for either Jeff Maehl and Lestar Jean; and Jean seems to be the favorite around here to win that battle.

I don't think Holliday is in the question. You didn't mention him, but others did. Someone said he was the most improved receiver. I never saw that.....I saw something about exceptional improvement from him but that could mean 0 to 35 when everyone else is at 68. Holliday banks on his special teams value....jury is out.

Maehl is competing with with Martin. Posey is a lock unless he's a lame duck. The final decision comes down to which one gets separation better.....that's how I see it today.

drs23
07-18-2012, 08:49 PM
I don't think Holliday is in the question. You didn't mention him, but others did. Someone said he was the most improved receiver. I never saw that.....I saw something about exceptional improvement from him but that could mean 0 to 35 when everyone else is at 68. Holliday banks on his special teams value....jury is out.

Maehl is competing with with Martin. Posey is a lock unless he's a lame duck. The final decision comes down to which one gets separation better.....that's how I see it today.

That's the way I see it as well. Kubes did say that Holliday had taken the biggest step in that group but that doesn't (to me) say that he's taken a big enough leap to bump K-Mart to the PS. Just don't see it happening.

I'm thinking in the end we'll see Trindon riding into the sunset on his little pink tricycle but then I've been wrong before.

10 MORE DAYS!

Texn4life
07-18-2012, 09:45 PM
That's the way I see it as well. Kubes did say that Holliday had taken the biggest step in that group but that doesn't (to me) say that he's taken a big enough leap to bump K-Mart to the PS. Just don't see it happening.

I'm thinking in the end we'll see Trindon riding into the sunset on his little pink tricycle but then I've been wrong before.

10 MORE DAYS!

I think Martin actually gets on the field before Posey unless Posey has a big training camp. Kubiak had nothing but praise for him so I doubt Maehl is any competition for Martin. If you factor in his return ability then I really don't see it.

AJ, Walter, Posey and Martin are locks to me. You don't draft guys in the 3rd and 4th rounds with that kind of potential and then release them before the season starts unless they pull a Clarett and show no committment whatsoever. So that leaves Jean who a lot of people are high on. They're both undrafted guys but one seems to have a ton of more upside. Barring injury to one of these receivers I just don't see a situation where he makes the team if we carry 5.

Now if we carry 6 which would be a shock to me Maehl has a good chance assuming we don't bring in anyone else. Steph was the one who posted on here how good Holliday looked and I want to say either Yates or Beck singled him out too. I'm not holding my breath for him based on what I've seen personally but anything can happen though. Maehl hasn't shown any return ability thus far that would create extra value for him. I'd be curious to see how he'd handle it but I don't even know if he'll be given that opportunity. Those guys are fighting to make the PS IMO.

Kaiser Toro
07-18-2012, 09:48 PM
Wr is the most unproven position on the team. Just a guess but I think this will be the first year in a while they carry 6.

I was having this discussion today, totally agree.

drs23
07-18-2012, 09:56 PM
Wr is the most unproven position on the team. Just a guess but I think this will be the first year in a while they carry 6.

I understand the logic and to an extent, agree. What other position would be sacrificed though?

Would be nice if someone could play their position and long snap as well wouldn't it?

The Pencil Neck
07-18-2012, 10:19 PM
Why is it going to be any tougher for him to make the 53 than anyone else??

AJ, KW, Posey, and Martin are locks to make the team.

At this point, Lestar Jean appears to be in the driver's seat for that 5th spot.

Therefore, unless we carry 6 receivers (barring injury), Maehl's on the outside looking in. He'll probably end up PSd again.

The Pencil Neck
07-18-2012, 10:21 PM
I don't think Holliday is in the question. You didn't mention him, but others did. Someone said he was the most improved receiver. I never saw that.....I saw something about exceptional improvement from him but that could mean 0 to 35 when everyone else is at 68. Holliday banks on his special teams value....jury is out.

Maehl is competing with with Martin. Posey is a lock unless he's a lame duck. The final decision comes down to which one gets separation better.....that's how I see it today.

If it comes down to Maehl or Martin, Martin wins hands down. He was too high a pick, he has better return ability, and he's been doing well so far.

beerlover
07-18-2012, 10:42 PM
It's interesting last year focus was on how to improve defense, this year it is the offense with or without Schuab, WR is the most widely speculated position.

Andre, Kevin, Posey are locks. Martin kicks Holliday to the curb, because of return ability. So that is four but only count against position as three. Lestar Jean, will probably wind up competing for reps with Posey or alternating to give Andre breathers so he is your 4th.

Now it gets interesting. Jeff Maehl is excellent on special teams. He has a year under his belt & is stronger. I see him as an upgrade over previously Texans 5th WR David Anderson. Jerrell Jackson & Juaquin Igesias have flashed potential, most likely get stashed on PS.

So I do believe Jeff focus is correct, to make the 53 man roster as the #5 WR/special teams player :twocents:

Texn4life
07-18-2012, 10:53 PM
It's interesting last year focus was on how to improve defense, this year it is the offense with or without Schuab, WR is the most widely speculated position.

Andre, Kevin, Posey are locks. Martin kicks Holliday to the curb, because of return ability. So that is four but only count against position as three. Lestar Jean, will probably wind up competing for reps with Posey or alternating to give Andre breathers so he is your 4th.

Now it gets interesting. Jeff Maehl is excellent on special teams. He has a year under his belt & is stronger. I see him as an upgrade over previously Texans 5th WR David Anderson. Jerrell Jackson & Juaquin Igesias have flashed potential, most likely get stashed on PS.

So I do believe Jeff focus is correct, to make the 53 man roster as the #5 WR/special teams player :twocents:

I don't follow your logic here. Kubiak has always said that he doesn't want just a return specialist and that a guy has to be able to play a position as well. If Martin is returning for us he will count as one of the 5 receivers. We haven't guy who JUST handled returns for us in a long time. Maehl has to show he's one of the best 5 receivers on the team and that includes Martin.

Kgbmedic
07-18-2012, 11:03 PM
I am keeping neutral on these guys. What I do like is the fact there is an all out battle. That should bring out the best recievers, idealistically.

I have always looked forward to the Texans playing but I believe this is the first year that I am all out excited about it. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-excited001.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

The Pencil Neck
07-18-2012, 11:38 PM
I don't follow your logic here. Kubiak has always said that he doesn't want just a return specialist and that a guy has to be able to play a position as well. If Martin is returning for us he will count as one of the 5 receivers. We haven't guy who JUST handled returns for us in a long time. Maehl has to show he's one of the best 5 receivers on the team and that includes Martin.

Martin kicks Holliday to the curb not only because he's a returner but also because he's one of the best wide receivers on the team. If the mini-camp/OTA results hold, Martin will be starting before Posey does and Martin could become the best and most dangerous slot receiver we've had.

Texn4life
07-18-2012, 11:43 PM
Martin kicks Holliday to the curb not only because he's a returner but also because he's one of the best wide receivers on the team. If the mini-camp/OTA results hold, Martin will be starting before Posey does and Martin could become the best and most dangerous slot receiver we've had.

I agree and its what I said in an earlier post in the thread. Martin is going to see the field at receiver. The idea that he doesn't count as one because he'll be returning kicks/punts was what I wasn't following. We carried 4 receivers at the start of the year last year. I think we'll carry 5 this year whether they're returning or not which Martin will be. Maehl's gonna have to beat out Jean, Posey or Martin. I just don't see it happening.

badboy
07-18-2012, 11:51 PM
If Kubiak can sit a 2nd round Harris for a season why not Posey? I think Posey has to outplay Jean to beat him out. Being a 3rd round selection will not do it.

Texn4life
07-18-2012, 11:56 PM
If Kubiak can sit a 2nd round Harris for a season why not Posey? I think Posey has to outplay Jean to beat him out. Being a 3rd round selection will not do it.

No guarantee that Posey will play, but Harris never was released. He was always on the 53 man roster. I think thats the question here as to which 5 guys will make the 53.

The Pencil Neck
07-19-2012, 03:03 AM
If Kubiak can sit a 2nd round Harris for a season why not Posey? I think Posey has to outplay Jean to beat him out. Being a 3rd round selection will not do it.

I don't think anyone's saying that Posey's an automatic starter. But he is a lock for the 53.

Jean's not a lock for the 53, but given his experience in the system and Kubiak's track record with UDFAs (see: Rod Smith), he could well end up being a starter.

GP
07-19-2012, 09:27 AM
AJ, Walter, Jean, Posey, Martin.

Holliday and Maehl should be #6 and #7. They'll head to the PS, IMO.

Martin gets the #5 because he's a returner and a WR.

Rey
07-19-2012, 10:08 AM
I'm thinking we might be able to carry an extra wr this year if we go with 1 fb instead of two.

I think Casey and the loss of Dreesen allows us to do that.

beerlover
07-19-2012, 10:15 AM
I agree and its what I said in an earlier post in the thread. Martin is going to see the field at receiver. The idea that he doesn't count as one because he'll be returning kicks/punts was what I wasn't following. We carried 4 receivers at the start of the year last year. I think we'll carry 5 this year whether they're returning or not which Martin will be. Maehl's gonna have to beat out Jean, Posey or Martin. I just don't see it happening.

OF course he has WR value with return ability added. but it does give Kubiak & staff wiggle room, nothing more or less just a creative way of viewing roster & keeping most talent, it's not always black & white :cow:

Texn4life
07-19-2012, 02:38 PM
OF course he has WR value with return ability added. but it does give Kubiak & staff wiggle room, nothing more or less just a creative way of viewing roster & keeping most talent, it's not always black & white :cow:

It gives us no more wiggle room than last year or any other year since Kubiak has been here. We've never had a pure return man in his tenure, and the closest we had to it was Mathis. This year will be no different since Martin will likely be the third or fourth receiver to be on the field. Like GP said Maehl is battling for the 6th spot as of now on the totem poll.

Andre, Kevin, Posey are locks. Martin kicks Holliday to the curb, because of return ability. So that is four but only count against position as three.

You logic here is what doesn't make a lot of sense. Martin will count as a 4th receiver. You can't discount him on the depth chart. That would be like saying Manning wouldn't count as a safety because he returned kicks. We are more likely to carry an extra DB than we are to carry a 6th receiver. Fact of the matter is if Maehl can't beat out one of the young guys then he's back on the PS which isn't a bad thing for him.

badboy
07-19-2012, 02:59 PM
No guarantee that Posey will play, but Harris never was released. He was always on the 53 man roster. I think thats the question here as to which 5 guys will make the 53.I think our defense is not now a concern and we can carry fewer CBs and more WRs even if Posey gets little time on field.

Texn4life
07-19-2012, 03:06 PM
I think our defense is not now a concern and we can carry fewer CBs and more WRs even if Posey gets little time on field.

With the quality of passing offenses we play this year its going to be a big concern to have depth at CB and Safety. I want to say we carried 7 CBs last year. With Roc being healthy hopefully I'm pretty sure we'll carry at least 6 with him replacing Jason Allen. Ball and McMannis are likely to battle for the last spot. But with J Jo, Kareem, Harris, McCain, Roc, Ball, McMannis 6 of those guys are going to make the team for sure. That leaves one spot open for an extra position which could be a 5th receiver. We just don't spread the field like the Patriots to justify carrying 6.

bayoudreamn
07-19-2012, 06:02 PM
If it comes down to Maehl or Martin, Martin wins hands down. He was too high a pick, he has better return ability, and he's been doing well so far.

Tu-maet-toe.......to-mah-ta.......

bayoudreamn
07-19-2012, 06:16 PM
If Kubiak can sit a 2nd round Harris for a season why not Posey? I think Posey has to outplay Jean to beat him out. Being a 3rd round selection will not do it.

This is a compelling argument. I haven't made a prediction about who is making this roster because I think that's stupid at this point. I like the exchange of ideas because I think some of the established norms like keeping certain draft picks will be challenged this year by Texans because of the experience of the core group. Why wouldn't they just put them all out there, give them reps, and let it sort as it may. I think the value of skill diversity is the only non-competition consideration that is likely to hold sway at this point.

bayoudreamn
07-19-2012, 06:18 PM
I'm thinking we might be able to carry an extra wr this year if we go with 1 fb instead of two.

I think Casey and the loss of Dreesen allows us to do that.

This makes me nervous.....limits depth at two positions......very high risk

TimeKiller
07-19-2012, 06:26 PM
If they go 6 WRs then I could see either Holliday/Maehl being that 6th guy. With Holliday having the upper hand on teams and the need/use of a backup slot receiver for this offense being pretty limited...I'd lean Holliday. Frankly, I'd go 5 and take the extra DB or LBer (like Louiseau).

bayoudreamn
07-19-2012, 07:10 PM
If they go 6 WRs then I could see either Holliday/Maehl being that 6th guy. With Holliday having the upper hand on teams and the need/use of a backup slot receiver for this offense being pretty limited...I'd lean Holliday. Frankly, I'd go 5 and take the extra DB or LBer (like Louiseau).

I hope a big guy blows away the competition and ends up starting opposite Andre. If Posey or Martin ends up deserving to do so.....I'm happy with any of the other guys in the slot....whoever wins the job. I want to see this "unknown" become and "unbelievable" and "unstoppable".......I'm good with that.

Kaiser Toro
07-19-2012, 07:19 PM
I would like to see some wobble in Kubiak's offensive scheme and see what Holliday could do as a third down and long back, a la Sproles.

GP
07-19-2012, 08:25 PM
I would like to see some wobble in Kubiak's offensive scheme and see what Holliday could do as a third down and long back, a la Sproles.

But don't you think Sproles has that lower body power that helps him muscle through some tackle attempts...I just don't' think Holliday has enough rocks in his pocket to motor through a tough situation.

Not downing the idea, just wondering if it'd work as well as it does with Sproles.

Texan_Bill
07-19-2012, 08:40 PM
****!!!! Can we start the preseason games already? This way we're that much closer to the actual season??? Cheese and Rice!! I'm losing my damn mind!!!!


*takes anti-anxiety pill*

KMG 365
07-19-2012, 11:24 PM
What do you think will happen if the Texans bring in a veteran WR? Who gets left off the 53 then?

I'd rather keep the guys we have now and see how they perform in training camp and preseason. Let them compete through the first two preseason games and if they stink then bring in a veteran WR.

bayoudreamn
07-20-2012, 03:35 AM
But don't you think Sproles has that lower body power that helps him muscle through some tackle attempts...I just don't' think Holliday has enough rocks in his pocket to motor through a tough situation.

Not downing the idea, just wondering if it'd work as well as it does with Sproles.

It worked in limited fashion for Holliday at LSU. They used to hide him and direct snap or quit handoff/pitch the ball to him right behind the line and let him use his speed to fly around the end. The problem is that it only worked once or twice here or there....he wasn't able to break alot of tackles. Sproles does. He was able to hide in a pile and squeak out for big gains. I just can not imagine him as anything more than depth. I just think the gap is too wide in his development as a receiver and in his size. Someone somewhere mentioned him as a slot guy. I guess the comparison is someone like Welker, but I don't consider them comparable.

IDEXAN
07-20-2012, 09:55 AM
They've got AJ and Walters, the 2 rookies they drafted, Lestar, and they will probably sign at least one vet in FA so that's 6 WRs. OK unless they keep 7, looks like another PS season for Maehl ? I hope he makes the 53-man squad, but looks like a real long-shot at this point ?

Goldensilence
07-20-2012, 10:20 PM
I think that Walter taking a pay cut this year is probably what is going make sure he makes the 53 man roster, but I think that his #2 spot is going to be up for grabs and he's really going to have to earn it this year instead of being the default.

I also think Posey, Martin and if Jean has a TC repeat of last year all have the talent to press him for that spot.

I think it's also unlikely they opt for 6 WRs this year. If we didn't have a capable return man in Manning I could see it expanded, but from what I ehar Martin also has return ability.

I think Maehl is a long shot for the 53 man roster, but maybe if he has a good TC and pre-season showing he might be able to catch on elsewhere.

drunkcookie
07-21-2012, 12:26 PM
What do you think will happen if the Texans bring in a veteran WR? Who gets left off the 53 then?



You can maybe look at Walter... I like Walter on the team right now because he's a vet, and it helps to have two vets around these young guys. But if we were to bring in a vet, and that vet out classes Walter? I think they'd consider cutting Walter in that situation...

But we'll see if they bring that vet in...

drunkcookie
07-21-2012, 12:28 PM
I think that Walter taking a pay cut this year is probably what is going make sure he makes the 53 man roster, but I think that his #2 spot is going to be up for grabs and he's really going to have to earn it this year instead of being the default.

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Agree... If Jean is who I think he can be, Walter is out of the number 2 discussion IMO... but we'll see about Jean...

Posey and Jean will be pushing the hell out of Walter...

Rey
07-21-2012, 12:53 PM
This makes me nervous.....limits depth at two positions......very high risk

It's not high risk at all. And we wouldn't be limiting depth. Wed have normal depth.

Not too many teams carry two fullbacks and four te's.

Plus I'm pretty sure we can get a TE and/or fb on the practice squad and there will likely be some decent free agents in the event of an injury.