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pec0sb0b
07-03-2012, 09:03 PM
Glover Quin is an essential piece to the Texans defense and as you can see he is asked to do multiple jobs on the football field. Quin is actually the only Texans defender that is a hybrid player. He plays safety, corner back and linebacker at any given time of the game. He is moved around throughout the game and proved to be a big reason for the Texans ability to improve defensively in 2011.


With his contract expiring after the 2012 season, Quin is increasing his value as a NFL player. With other big names coming up for paydays for the Texans, Quin should not be over-looked by the Texans front office for an extension. We know money will be tight but the Texans need to do everything in their power to bring back Quin for the coming years. Quin has steadily improved since his rookie season of 2009 and this season should not be any different.

http://www.stateofthetexans.com/?p=5739

Good article with lots of cool still shots of Phillips' defense.

Texan_Bill
07-03-2012, 09:07 PM
I'm cool with Glover Quin... THE ONLY thing that bugs me about him is that his facemask looks too small or too short for his head... If that's the worst criticism that I have, then that's pretty good, no?? :tiphat:

infantrycak
07-03-2012, 09:10 PM
Not disagreeing with Quin's performance but I disagree with his playing multiple roles upping his contract value in the open market. Most DC's don't multi-task players like Quin effectively.

badboy
07-03-2012, 10:11 PM
Love Quin but don't see offering him much to remain. I expect a draft pick to replace him.

CloakNNNdagger
07-03-2012, 11:04 PM
I also love Quinn. But my hear finds its way closer to my tonsils when he has to cover his man going deep.

badboy
07-03-2012, 11:08 PM
I also love Quinn. But my hear finds its way closer to my tonsils when he has to cover his man going deep.

Robert Lester 2nd round

Lucky
07-03-2012, 11:59 PM
I like Glover Quin. He's been a solid, but not spectacular, defender. But, he's not a playmaker. All of his 3 career ints came off Rusty Smith. Who's Rusty Smith? Exactly.

Quin's not the type of player who generates a lot of free agent interest. That could change with the Texans gaining more exposure and Glover making more plays. But, being able to lineup in different spots on the field doesn't automatically make a player special. Making plays makes a player special.

powda
07-04-2012, 12:17 AM
Hasnt the safety spot traditionally been a revolving door on most of wade's defenses? I'd like to see more players on the backend who make "game changing plays".

jppaul
07-04-2012, 01:55 AM
Maybe I am in the minority but for my money he's a glue player and does the unheralded jobs really well allowing the more attention grabbing positions players to shine. I would have thought there might be a little more support given this teams history with awful safeties. Finally I think this position is a keystone for smiths defense given the stress he puts on the secondary. Just my two cents. I think he merits a od type deal say 5 years 16-18 mil.

ObsiWan
07-04-2012, 07:38 AM
Don't underestimate his flexibility. I think that flexibility puts a couple of extra options in Wade's trick bag.
:texflag:

Lucky
07-04-2012, 11:48 AM
I think he merits a od type deal say 5 years 16-18 mil.
I certainly wouldn't put Quin on level of Daniels, and it's not what type of contract he "merits". It's what he can get on the market. I don't see a big market for a safety that doesn't come up with turnovers. When you look at the guys the Texans must re-sign (Brown, Barwin, Schaub, and eventually Cushing), guys like Quin are going to have to settle for the scraps.

TimeKiller
07-04-2012, 12:15 PM
No, not Daniels like at all. I'd say he's more Joel Dressen if we want to connect that dot.
I'm for Quin though. I was also for Dequan Menzie from 'Bama in the draft because he's a Quin clone. Alright I only have one more comparison: Shane Battier.

Looking at int's alone is a poor way to judge a DB. Quin nails his responsibilities, the only receiver that beat him deep that I can remember is AJ Green. How many DBs are keeping up with him? Yeah, he single handedly destroyed Rusty Who Smith's career but I think last year he was adjusting to playing with 2 superstars in the backfield and a front 7 that was going off. He's not the best DB on the field anymore. No, he doesn't have game breaking ability but what he does have is worth keeping around. Smarts, flexibility, tackling, experience and success with the system, good work ethic, his teammates trust.

ArlingtonTexan
07-04-2012, 12:29 PM
In a non-salary cap world Quin is no brainer to keep. he does his job at basic level and flexible in the skills that he displays, but is not a playmaker. In terms of safeties, right now that position is probably the most poorly played in the NFL. there are only a few game changers, and really most teams don't have two good, solid ones. Notice that 3rd Cbs pretty much are drafted in the same areas as safeties and have as much demand on the free agent market.

Quin is a solid to good player and all it takes is for someone to go give him decent say biscuit Breisel money as a free agent for him not to be a Texan.

TejasTom
07-04-2012, 12:43 PM
Quin was second in tackles on the Texan's.

A safety being second usually means your defense sucks. On the second ranked defense it means Quin is making plays.

thunderkyss
07-04-2012, 07:06 PM
I love Quin.

I think he's very underestimated, & his flexibility will make it difficult for offenses to read. Is he a LB, Safety, a nickel corner?

He might not be an INT generator.

I also think he'll eventually be the leader of the defense.

Lucky
07-04-2012, 11:20 PM
Quin nails his responsibilities, the only receiver that beat him deep that I can remember is AJ Green.
Jimmy Graham smoked Quin on a up route when Glover had him in man coverage. But, Graham had his way with a lot of DBs last year.

http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Jimmy+Graham+Houston+Texans+v+New+Orleans+23x8fm0w 9-dl.jpg

beerlover
07-04-2012, 11:55 PM
Does Glover Quin have a nickname? He plays like a pitbull, tenacious D!

CloakNNNdagger
07-05-2012, 12:04 AM
Does Glover Quin have a nickname? He plays like a pitbull, tenacious D!

"Q-tip"

ArlingtonTexan
07-05-2012, 12:11 AM
"Q-tip"

so no G.Q. huh?

CloakNNNdagger
07-05-2012, 12:14 AM
so no G.Q. huh?

He was given the nickname "Q-tip" by the press after the Hail Mary play.

ArlingtonTexan
07-05-2012, 12:31 AM
He was given the nickname "Q-tip" by the press after the Hail Mary play.

ouch...

HOU-TEX
07-05-2012, 09:48 AM
Love Quin but don't see offering him much to remain. I expect a draft pick to replace him.

How long did we go without having safeties worth a crap? A long friggin time. We should retain him, considering he should be affordable.

El Tejano
07-05-2012, 10:13 AM
To me, when I go back and look at that Miami game we played this past year. I recall him making a game saving tackle on a RB in the first half. It was a small contribution but at the time Miami was running pretty good on us and had he not made that tackle, the RB scores and that game becomes too close. I also believe later he caused a fumble that changed the direction of the game. Like I said, small contributions that made the difference in games. I want to keep Quin.

76Texan
07-05-2012, 11:06 AM
I'd like to see Quin progress a little more this upcoming year to declare him a keeper.

His salary is bound to go up next year. And his play needs to improve to warrant that.

Otherwise, he would be just another rover, a dime-and-dozen.
Basically, good solid depth but not quite a starter on a team that strives to win a SB.

The same line of thought goes for KJ who also needs to improve his play.
His level of play in the second half of the year was close to how a #2 on a good team should play, but he still needs to do better than that to be a legit starter.

infantrycak
07-05-2012, 12:26 PM
Basically, good solid depth but not quite a starter on a team that strives to win a SB.

He's miles ahead of Matt Stevens who has a SB ring as a SB starter.

EllisUnit
07-05-2012, 12:31 PM
I am a fan of troy nolan, he is a daniel manning type player and has shown a knack for the ball. Game changing ability is def there for nolan and he has good speed.

thunderkyss
07-05-2012, 01:47 PM
Glover is blue collar, get the job done, not a lot of flash, but solid & versatile. He's not going anywhere.

He'll likely get a pay raise, but nothing jaw-dropping.

Being that he isn't flashy, he won't get a lot of attention from other teams. He'll be Texans for a long time to come.

76Texan
07-05-2012, 02:42 PM
He's miles ahead of Matt Stevens who has a SB ring as a SB starter.

We're only talking about each player carrying his own weight on a contending team.

Such player sees the majority of the snaps (when healthy); ie. Daniel Manning.

We're not debating whether luck can give a player a SB ring.

I'm not knocking Quin.
He's still somewhat young.
If he can take one more step to the next level, we will be good.

Quin has been good value where we drafted him, but the same thing can also be said for Nolan.

It doesn't matter where they were drafted; once they are done with the original contract, they have to step up their game to earn the next one as a starter.

infantrycak
07-05-2012, 03:01 PM
We're only talking about each player carrying his own weight on a contending team.

Such player sees the majority of the snaps (when healthy); ie. Daniel Manning.

We're not debating whether luck can give a player a SB ring.

The point I was implying was you can look at every SB winner and they aren't all stars. Some of them are guys who hold down their position well enough. I guess you can call that luck.

76Texan
07-05-2012, 03:35 PM
The point I was implying was you can look at every SB winner and they aren't all stars. Some of them are guys who hold down their position well enough. I guess you can call that luck.

I agree with you.

A team like the Texans, for example, if they can continue to bring on the pass rush (without blitzing too much - being forced to, instead of disguising it) can afford to carry a player of a lesser worth.

Or a team with a great center-fielder like Ed Reed can help out the secondary overall.

And maybe Manning can approach Reed's status.

But, we're talking about forward progress.

We cannot simply accept the same level of play from Quin (while giving him more money after this contract).
I'm saying this for several other players on the roster as well - and not singling out Quin.

Sure, we don't need eleven all-stars on defense.
but we need to balance our budget with a few all-stars and several "role" players (a few may make more difference than others).

A guy like Nolan can push Quin out of a job if he improves a little more (while Quin remains flat) purely due to economics.

TimeKiller
07-05-2012, 06:54 PM
Jimmy Graham smoked Quin on a up route when Glover had him in man coverage. But, Graham had his way with a lot of DBs last year.


Exactly. Two pro bowlers are the names we can come up with. Add to that playing DB is a game of failure, like shooting hoops or swinging a bat. You're going to fail, plain and simple. The glaring failures we can cite are against top of the top quality receivers, with good to awesome QBs helping that.

If Quin's abilities were a dime-a-dozen, how come we don't have a dozen good DBs on the roster?

Better yet, name 12 DBs that you would consider quality starters that have ever put on a Houston Texans jersey.

thunderkyss
07-05-2012, 09:10 PM
Exactly. Two pro bowlers are the names we can come up with. Add to that playing DB is a game of failure, like shooting hoops or swinging a bat. You're going to fail, plain and simple. The glaring failures we can cite are against top of the top quality receivers, with good to awesome QBs helping that.

Then when you take into account what Jacoby did to Ed Reed..... kinda makes your point. The key is to have as few of those bad plays as possible. I would wager Glover's bad highlight plays are about as few as any safety in the league (we're talking 2011 here).

The difference (& I understand where they're coming from) that the, "we need to upgrade that position" see, is that he doesn't have very many plus plays. He's a defender & he's going to make it difficult for a receiver to make a catch.. or for a QB to make a throw.. but he's not going to scare anyone, or rack up a bunch of pick 6es.

& that's cool. If there's a guy out there that is an obvious upgrade, but won't break the bank, let's get him. But for the money, I don't know we can do better than Glover, when you count the intangibles.

He's a leader & a baller.

Rey
07-06-2012, 12:09 AM
I agree with you.

A team like the Texans, for example, if they can continue to bring on the pass rush (without blitzing too much - being forced to, instead of disguising it) can afford to carry a player of a lesser worth.

Or a team with a great center-fielder like Ed Reed can help out the secondary overall.

And maybe Manning can approach Reed's status.

But, we're talking about forward progress.

We cannot simply accept the same level of play from Quin (while giving him more money after this contract).
I'm saying this for several other players on the roster as well - and not singling out Quin.

Sure, we don't need eleven all-stars on defense.
but we need to balance our budget with a few all-stars and several "role" players (a few may make more difference than others).

A guy like Nolan can push Quin out of a job if he improves a little more (while Quin remains flat) purely due to economics.

I agree with what you're saying. Its kind of a tough situation though.

beerlover
07-06-2012, 01:38 AM
Continuity is just as important in the secondary as OL. Texans should be set with Manning & Quin @ safety with Joseph/Jackson CB's & nickle backs McCain/Harris. Plus young developmental DB's for depth we're good. In pecking order of importance right now I give edge to Glover over Jackson as #3 interesting since both contracts need evaluated. CB positionally has advantage, big season ahead for both & group in general.

HJam72
07-06-2012, 01:56 AM
Another player that has more value for the Texans to keep than for other teams to take; but, that other teams will probably overpay to get him away from us. I say we up the ante until one of our division foes makes a stupid offer and then let him go there. :)

TimeKiller
07-06-2012, 08:59 AM
The difference (& I understand where they're coming from) that the, "we need to upgrade that position" see, is that he doesn't have very many plus plays. He's a defender & he's going to make it difficult for a receiver to make a catch.. or for a QB to make a throw.. but he's not going to scare anyone, or rack up a bunch of pick 6es.

& that's cool. If there's a guy out there that is an obvious upgrade, but won't break the bank, let's get him. But for the money, I don't know we can do better than Glover, when you count the intangibles.

Well, barring a wave of cheap, all-star DBs falling from the sky I think I'm going to have get over his lack of int's. Besides, what good is J-Jo and Manning if they had a gaping hole between them? Having a competent, quality starter there just makes those two shine a little brighter.