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DBCooper
06-18-2012, 07:53 PM
http://nfl.si.com/2012/06/18/offseason-breakdown-houston-texans/?sct=nfl_wr_a2

Didn't see it anywhere. (Didn't look real hard either)

Playoffs
06-18-2012, 09:45 PM
I think we're really going to miss Joel Dressen -- blocking even more than in the pass game.

And it's gonna hurt if one of the "other" WRs doesn't turn into some kind of playmaker.

badboy
06-18-2012, 10:25 PM
Not sure who he is but agree with him except for right side of Oline which I think will be good. My concern is WR but we should be no worse than last season. So for me a healthy AJ is key #1 with Schaub coming in #2.

Oh BTW he missed an important addition in Bullock, kicker.

Texn4life
06-18-2012, 10:33 PM
I think we're really going to miss Joel Dressen -- blocking even more than in the pass game.

And it's gonna hurt if one of the "other" WRs doesn't turn into some kind of playmaker.

I have the same worry about missing Dreesen. Bo Scaith is out there lol. I didn't even know he signed with NE and he's already been released. The only TE name available that sounds even a little appealing is Daniel Graham. I don't think he has much left at this point in his career though.

Brisco_County
06-18-2012, 10:45 PM
Everybody is down on the Texans right now. Even people at work tell me they won't win a playoff game. But outsiders and national media have never understood this team. Right now, none of them know that the replacement guard and RT have already started many times and know the system. And does anyone really think that the new WR2 will be a step back from Jacoby Jones?

Caldwell will be better than what we've seen. He played on two high ankle sprains last season, and no one was a harsher critic of his performance than himself. Butler has always been starter quality.

I haven't said this before, but now is the perfect time to predict it. This defense will be better than last year. Last year was a prep course. This year they actually have an offseason to learn. They will know the entire playbook. The new ILB acquisition knows it intimately. Daniel Manning showed in OTA's that he was born to play in this system. Brice McCain has found his identity as one of the best slot corners in the league. JJ Watt and Brooks Reed will make the second-year improvement. Earl Mitchell put on 20 lbs of muscle. Our pass rushers will rotate and remain fresh. One of them is named "no mercy."

This defense will give the offense so much opportunity that the offensive rookies will be playoff ready by November.

Keep all this in mind when you have to listen to doubters. And have a good laugh when you hear it from Cowboy fans, because the Texans will be Superbowl bound using the leadership that Jerry undermined and cast aside.

thunderkyss
06-18-2012, 10:57 PM
We followed our 7-9 season with 2-14

We followed our 9-7 season with 6-10

Only stands to reason, we'll follow our 10-6 season with 8-8.....

it's simple math

Texecutioner
06-18-2012, 10:58 PM
Everybody is down on the Texans right now. Even people at work tell me they won't win a playoff game. But outsiders and national media have never understood this team. Right now, none of them know that the replacement guard and RT have already started many times and know the system. And does anyone really think that the new WR2 will be a step back from Jacoby Jones?

Caldwell will be better than what we've seen. He played on two high ankle sprains last season, and no one was a harsher critic of his performance than himself. Butler has always been starter quality.

I haven't said this before, but now is the perfect time to predict it. This defense will be better than last year. Last year was a prep course. This year they actually have an offseason to learn. They will know the entire playbook. The new ILB acquisition knows it intimately. Daniel Manning showed in OTA's that he was born to play in this system. Brice McCain has found his identity as one of the best slot corners in the league. JJ Watt and Brooks Reed will make the second-year improvement. Earl Mitchell put on 20 lbs of muscle. Our pass rushers will rotate and remain fresh. One of them is named "no mercy."

This defense will give the offense so much opportunity that the offensive rookies will be playoff ready by November.

Keep all this in mind when you have to listen to doubters. And have a good laugh when you hear it from Cowboy fans, because the Texans will be Superbowl bound using the leadership that Jerry undermined and cast aside.

I definitely feel like the defense will have a strong chance at being better. We'll have this young Mercilous kid out there for more depth, and these young guys will be more seasoned. The biggest thing that could hold them back would be an injury to Jonathan Joseph, but outside of that, I think we could handle a big injury to just about any other player on this defense and be really good still.

Carr Bombed
06-18-2012, 11:44 PM
We followed our 7-9 season with 2-14

We followed our 9-7 season with 6-10

Only stands to reason, we'll follow our 10-6 season with 8-8.....

it's simple math

Each season is it's own season and nothing that has happened in the past has anything to do with what can happen in the future.

This kinda mindset reminds me of the same people who said Foster can't maintain his level of play, because of what happened to Steve Slaton

b0ng
06-19-2012, 01:55 AM
Pretty good breakdown from a national source. I may disagree with a few of his points, but they have merit.

Norg
06-19-2012, 02:40 AM
Demco was not in the prime of his career more like the starting of the down side

and winston was not that good IMO

srrono
06-19-2012, 05:27 AM
It being a contract year for Barwin has to help out our defense as well. With Financial incentive he should be a mad man on the field.

thunderkyss
06-19-2012, 08:28 AM
Each season is it's own season and nothing that has happened in the past has anything to do with what can happen in the future.



By that same token then, what reason do we have to be optimistic about next season?

Playoffs
06-19-2012, 08:51 AM
Everybody is down on the Texans right now... Who? All I see is national media picking Texans to win the division and play in AFC Championship game.

Carr Bombed
06-19-2012, 08:58 AM
By that same token then, what reason do we have to be optimistic about next season?

What reason do we have to not be optimistic about next season?

Brisco_County
06-19-2012, 09:14 AM
Who? All I see is national media picking Texans to win the division and play in AFC Championship game.

Because it's a weak division. I haven't seen many predictions about the AFC championship. The general consensus I've read is that the team has declined due to personnel losses, and therefore will not win a playoff game.

Rey
06-19-2012, 09:15 AM
By that same token then, what reason do we have to be optimistic about next season?

JJ Watt, Brian Cushing, Arian Foster, Ben Tate, Chris Meyers, Connor Barwin, Daniel Manning, Jonathan Joseph.

We have a competent D coordinator returning for a consecutive year. Coming off of our best year ever. If there was a time to break the cycle it would be now.


What reason do we have to not be optimistic about next season?

Schaub, Andre, Right side of Oline, WR depth...More young guys added that will have to be counted on.

This team has not experienced a bunch of success so we don't really know how they'll handle it. There are reasons out there to be cautions and concerned.



I hope I helped answer both you guys questions, but I'm sure you'll both have rebuttals.

:kitten:

EllisUnit
06-19-2012, 09:45 AM
To many reasons to be posivite to be negative.

Schaub is back, AJ is healthy. Our defense stayed damn near intact and added a damn good LB. Williams didnt play most of the season. Ryans played very little to start with.

So we lost brisel and winston, but its not like we're replacing them with 2 rookies.

And we lost jacoby, oh lord how will the world spin without jacoby.

Ok so we lost 5 starters, and dressen the #2 TE.

Including injuries from last season we really only lost 2 starters and a #2 WR.

Yeah this looks so damn bad. Why bother watching a team who kept 95 perecent of their team together after winning a play off game with a 3rd string QB.

Carr Bombed
06-19-2012, 10:24 AM
JJ Watt, Brian Cushing, Arian Foster, Ben Tate, Chris Meyers, Connor Barwin, Daniel Manning, Jonathan Joseph.

We have a competent D coordinator returning for a consecutive year. Coming off of our best year ever. If there was a time to break the cycle it would be now.




Schaub, Andre, Right side of Oline, WR depth...More young guys added that will have to be counted on.

This team has not experienced a bunch of success so we don't really know how they'll handle it. There are reasons out there to be cautions and concerned.



I hope I helped answer both you guys questions, but I'm sure you'll both have rebuttals.

:kitten:

I'm at work typing on my phone.. I don't have the time or the patience to thumb type a rebuttal.. :)

I'll simply say this.. every team in the league has holes and concerns regarding their roster.. every single team. The ones who can fill those holes and answer those concerns the best will be the teams who will still be playing football when other teams are making vacation plans. We will soon see if our FO was correct about the players they expect to step up and about the decisions they've made this offseason.

ThaShark316
06-19-2012, 11:49 AM
13-3.

HOU-TEX
06-19-2012, 01:23 PM
13-3.

That would be a tremendous achievement given the schedule we're faced with this season. Not that I'd complain or anything :)

I'm setting my sights on winning the division, no matter the record in the end. We win the division, we're in the dance. If we don't win the division....it'd be a dadgum shame to say the least.

thunderkyss
06-19-2012, 06:07 PM
What reason do we have to not be optimistic about next season?

We lost 2/5ths of our starting OL. Our QB is on the wrong side of 30 coming back from major foot injury. Our stud WR is on the wrong side of 30 coming back from leg issues. We lost our stud DE, or field captain at LB, Jacoby Jones..... , Foster's done got paid.... Wade's second year Jinx & we still have Smithiak...


honestly, I'm just trying to be pessimistic. You know I've been the kool-aid man for most seasons, but we don't generally do as well as I had hoped.... I thought we were going to be hosting the AFC Championship game in 2010 (remember).

Then when I got worried.... when I wasn't believ'n... they go 10-6 & win a home play-off game despite losing said starting QB, DE, & stud WR for several games.

call me superstituous.

thunderkyss
06-19-2012, 06:12 PM
Williams didnt play most of the season. Ryans played very little to start with.



In all honesty, the thing that does worry me the most, is our LBs. After Mario got hurt, the Defense was pretty healthy, I mean Sharpton got hurt, but then we replaced him with Demeco... so I don't really count that injury against us.

Barwin... Reed... Cushing... one of those guys go down & we're in deep doo-doo.

It's nice to replace a Mario Williams with a Barwin/Reed. It would have been nice to replace a Cushing with a Demeco.

Next year..... we'll be asking guys to step up who have no business stepping up. More Wishful thinking than anything.

drs23
06-19-2012, 06:48 PM
In all honesty, the thing that does worry me the most, is our LBs. After Mario got hurt, the Defense was pretty healthy, I mean Sharpton got hurt, but then we replaced him with Demeco... so I don't really count that injury against us.

Barwin... Reed... Cushing... one of those guys go down & we're in deep doo-doo.

It's nice to replace a Mario Williams with a Barwin/Reed. It would have been nice to replace a Cushing with a Demeco.

Next year..... we'll be asking guys to step up who have no business stepping up. More Wishful thinking than anything.

To the first bolded: It's the other way around obviously, that's what happened and Cush is still here. 'Meco has feathers now. Case closed.

2nd: What qualification do you have to make that determination? I'm going to believe in the staff that's brought us to this point.

That's just me.

infantrycak
06-19-2012, 07:18 PM
I mean Sharpton got hurt, but then we replaced him with Demeco... so I don't really count that injury against us.

In what alternate universe did this happen? Ryans started all 16 games last year. Sharpton started none.

Texan_Bill
06-19-2012, 07:51 PM
I definitely feel like the defense will have a strong chance at being better.

I do too... A lot of people have brought up stats about Wade Phillips' drop-off as a second year D-Coordinator. That said, someone said (I think it might've Barwin) that because of the shortened off-season last year that Wade had only installed about 75% of his defense. If true and coupled with the young talent on "D", you're right (and I've said it too), this defense can be even better than last year!!

thunderkyss
06-19-2012, 08:49 PM
I do too... A lot of people have brought up stats about Wade Phillips' drop-off as a second year D-Coordinator. That said, someone said (I think it might've Barwin) that because of the shortened off-season last year that Wade had only installed about 75% of his defense. If true and coupled with the young talent on "D", you're right (and I've said it too), this defense can be even better than last year!!

Seems eerily reminiscient to the 2010 off-season

badboy
06-19-2012, 09:38 PM
In all honesty, the thing that does worry me the most, is our LBs. After Mario got hurt, the Defense was pretty healthy, I mean Sharpton got hurt, but then we replaced him with Demeco... so I don't really count that injury against us.

Barwin... Reed... Cushing... one of those guys go down & we're in deep doo-doo.

It's nice to replace a Mario Williams with a Barwin/Reed. It would have been nice to replace a Cushing with a Demeco.

Next year..... we'll be asking guys to step up who have no business stepping up. More Wishful thinking than anything.Nah, I'm going to say If Reed or Barwin goes down, Mercilus will step in as did Reed. Now if Cush or Bradie is injured, uh oh. I am much more concerned with AJ going down again.

b0ng
06-19-2012, 10:36 PM
Nah, I'm going to say If Reed or Barwin goes down, Mercilus will step in as did Reed. Now if Cush or Bradie is injured, uh oh. I am much more concerned with AJ going down again.

Look at how many times Jonathan Joseph has played all 16 games in a season.

ObsiWan
06-20-2012, 04:46 AM
Season predictions this time of year... before T/C or preseason...?

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSfpkVUA7iFPWGSBGnGAMDFC0km6TE6i gNQyG-DnE3RXK4_0Cdz

Thorn
06-21-2012, 06:44 AM
Unless something very weird happens, the Texans will win the AFC South again this year. That part I'm not worried about. What happens after we win the AFC South is what worries me. The football gods have a history of not being kind to Houston pro football teams.

Perki-Perk
06-21-2012, 09:12 AM
Unless something very weird happens, the Texans will win the AFC South again this year. That part I'm not worried about. What happens after we win the AFC South is what worries me. The football gods have a history of not being kind to Houston pro football teams.

I think the "football gods" have out so bad for the Houston pro football teams, that it spills over into our basketball and baseball team. How in the world did we go through 5 years of TMac and Yao and not even sniff a championship (yes, I was a fan during the championship years)? Almost 20 years of Biggio and Bags...only one world series appearance. Hey, Atleast the Comets were getting it in.

steelbtexan
06-21-2012, 09:22 AM
We followed our 7-9 season with 2-14

We followed our 9-7 season with 6-10

Only stands to reason, we'll follow our 10-6 season with 8-8.....

it's simple math

If AJ and Schaub cant stay healthy I could see it.

steelbtexan
06-21-2012, 09:31 AM
I do too... A lot of people have brought up stats about Wade Phillips' drop-off as a second year D-Coordinator. That said, someone said (I think it might've Barwin) that because of the shortened off-season last year that Wade had only installed about 75% of his defense. If true and coupled with the young talent on "D", you're right (and I've said it too), this defense can be even better than last year!!

The defense should be better next yr. Although the stats probably wont reflect this.

Facing Rodgers/Stafford/Cutler/Manning/Flacco isn't going to be easy.

beerlover
06-21-2012, 09:33 AM
Winning should cure the whinning :hankpalm:

Perki-Perk
06-21-2012, 09:39 AM
The defense should be better next yr. Although the stats probably wont reflect this.

Facing Rodgers/Stafford/Cutler/Manning/Flacco isn't going to be easy.

You threw Flacco in there as a joke right?

b0ng
06-21-2012, 10:25 AM
You threw Flacco in there as a joke right?

And didn't mention Brady.

ObsiWan
06-22-2012, 04:02 PM
You threw Flacco in there as a joke right?

Cutler too... I mean, who's gonna keep him upright against Wade's Wild Bunch?

Texan_Bill
06-22-2012, 07:50 PM
Seems eerily reminiscient to the 2010 off-season

DUDE!!! TK, seriously man, we need to get you on some Paxil or Cymbalta.... something!! You're killing my buzz. :kitten:

The Third Man
06-23-2012, 01:48 AM
By that same token then, what reason do we have to be optimistic about next season?

Because the Texans have one of the best rosters in the NFL and are bringing their starting QB and top WR back healthy. Let's start there.

beerlover
06-23-2012, 02:04 AM
I cannot fathom all this inward negativity from guys here that work in the draft forums. This is two years in a row Texans have surprised me with the quality & depth of their drafts, I think that is a huge reason to be optimistic moving forward not negative. I still hear 610 talking heads gush 2006 draft as the best, well who among them are still here & how much impact in 2012 will what remains impart? Wade Phillips came in here before 2011 draft & identified a course of action & really it starts with JJ Watt & Brooks Reed. He brought Cushing back to form from rookie season, rebuilt Kareem Jackson's role & has made some savvy free agent recommendations (Manning, Joseph, Bradie). Now add Mercilus to heal loss of Mario, then a cast of capable starting & role players in 2012 there is a lot to be fired up about. Is it Football Season yet :texflag:

drs23
06-23-2012, 09:35 AM
I cannot fathom all this inward negativity from guys here that work in the draft forums. This is two years in a row Texans have surprised me with the quality & depth of their drafts, I think that is a huge reason to be optimistic moving forward not negative. I still hear 610 talking heads gush 2006 draft as the best, well who among them are still here & how much impact in 2012 will what remains impart? Wade Phillips came in here before 2011 draft & identified a course of action & really it starts with JJ Watt & Brooks Reed. He brought Cushing back to form from rookie season, rebuilt Kareem Jackson's role & has made some savvy free agent recommendations (Manning, Joseph, Bradie). Now add Mercilus to heal loss of Mario, then a cast of capable starting & role players in 2012 there is a lot to be fired up about. Is it Football Season yet :texflag:

You sir, are out of line. There's no room for optimism on this MB!

thunderkyss
06-23-2012, 10:23 AM
I cannot fathom all this inward negativity from guys here that work in the draft forums. This is two years in a row Texans have surprised me with the quality & depth of their drafts, I think that is a huge reason to be optimistic moving forward not negative. I still hear 610 talking heads gush 2006 draft as the best, well who among them are still here & how much impact in 2012 will what remains impart? Wade Phillips came in here before 2011 draft & identified a course of action & really it starts with JJ Watt & Brooks Reed. He brought Cushing back to form from rookie season, rebuilt Kareem Jackson's role & has made some savvy free agent recommendations (Manning, Joseph, Bradie). Now add Mercilus to heal loss of Mario, then a cast of capable starting & role players in 2012 there is a lot to be fired up about. Is it Football Season yet :texflag:


The popular opinion after the 2009 season, was that we had arrived. With the addition of a running game, we would have been in the play-offs, & we would have gone deep.

At the end of that season, Arian Foster shows sparks fo greatness, we picked up Ben Tate in the 2010 draft.....

whoo-hooo :trophy: here we come!!!

beerlover
06-23-2012, 10:25 AM
You sir, are out of line. There's no room for optimism on this MB!

It's been a long week @ work I guess not enough :party: time.

I wanted to also include the 09 draft class which brought Texans core players Cushing, Barwin, Quin & McCain. All drafted to fit as 4-3 defensive prospects all of which have flourished in Wade Phillips 3-4. So credit should also be spread to the Texans scouting department: Brian Gardner, Director of Pro Personnel, Bobby Grier, Associate Director of Pro Personnel & Mike Maccagnan, Director of College Scouting to name a few. By promoting athletic specimens with size/speed, athletic ability, character, diversity & versatility this class outshines that vaunted 06 class in terms of where the Texans are now & where the Texans are headed in the future :evil:

gary
06-23-2012, 10:27 AM
The key is Schaub more so than anyone IMHO.

beerlover
06-23-2012, 10:34 AM
The key is Schaub more so than anyone IMHO.

no question QB is the most important position in football, but Texans are the type of team who can keep rolling without him. It's all about defense & spreading the field offensively with solid line play on the back of Arian not Matt.

beerlover
06-23-2012, 10:45 AM
The popular opinion after the 2009 season, was that we had arrived. With the addition of a running game, we would have been in the play-offs, & we would have gone deep.

At the end of that season, Arian Foster shows sparks fo greatness, we picked up Ben Tate in the 2010 draft.....

whoo-hooo :trophy: here we come!!!

Hitting the mark with that first pick then following him up with next selection has been instrumental in Texans resurgence. I like what I've heard & seen so far from this years rookie class too :)
1st) Brian Cushing / Connor Barwin
1st) Kareem Jackson / Ben Tate
1st) JJ Watt / Brooks Reed
1st) Whitney Mercilus / DeVier Posey

thunderkyss
06-23-2012, 11:06 AM
You sir, are out of line. There's no room for optimism on this MB!

Why so? No one is telling you guys not to be optimistic, unlike your bunch telling us not to be pessimistic.

There's room for all of us.



I wanted to also include the 09 draft class which brought Texans core players Cushing, Barwin, Quin & McCain.

Except that puts a hole in the whole "We owe it all to Wade" mantra. Sure, 2011 was a nice draft, very nice. So was 2006, 2009, & really, 2010 & 2007 to lesser degrees. We're going to have a bad draft, picks that don't work out the way we want. Wade being here isn't going to change that. It's the same crap shoot it's always been.

If anyone has ever been in a leadership position, they know this is a whole new ball game. The Texans Kubiak took over in 2006 are a totally different Texans than the ones Kubiak will be leading in 2012. The 2006 group didn't expect anything but a paycheck. It wasn't about winning, it was about surviving.

This group, it's about succeeding, about being the best, about doing something very few teams have been able to do, & only one team is going to do this year.

I personally don't think Gary was the right man for the job in 2006 (to clarify, I liked the hire, but recognized & stated on this board, that he'll be learning on the job shortly after the 2006 season).

I have my doubts that he is the man to take this group we have now to the next level.

That's all I'm saying.

It's not about JJ Watt, Connor Barwin, Matt Schaub, or Arian Foster. Regardless what happens to them, the expectation for Kubiak is the same. Just like it was last year.

2012 is about Kubiak. He did a great job in 2011. Will he be able to back it up with another great year? What have you seen, to make you believe that?

I'm not here to draf anyone down, just sharing my opinion. You want to believe 2012 is going to end well for the Texans, I'm not going to stop you, talk about how much kool-aid your drinking, or in anyway denigrate you for having/sharing your opinion.


I'm just here to talk.

:texan:

infantrycak
06-23-2012, 11:24 AM
Why so? No one is telling you guys not to be optimistic, unlike your bunch telling us not to be pessimistic.

There's room for all of us.

I haven't seen anyone telling folks they can't be pessimistic and certainly nobody should be labeled as pessimistic if they won't go on record predicting a SB appearance. I'll be honest though, my perception is you are playing with being contrarian.

beerlover
06-23-2012, 11:30 AM
Except that puts a hole in the whole "We owe it all to Wade" mantra. Sure, 2011 was a nice draft, very nice. So was 2006, 2009, & really, 2010 & 2007 to lesser degrees. We're going to have a bad draft, picks that don't work out the way we want. Wade being here isn't going to change that. It's the same crap shoot it's always been.

I'm just here to talk.

:texan:

On the contrary, Wade put his :twocents: in player evaluation long before his first Texan draft. He identified Glover Quin as a suitable strong safety which I had been in favor of all along, why did that take so long to make a change? He then moved Barwin quickly into his natural position as OLB. Brought in his positional coaches to impact secondary along with LB's simplifying roles & filling in gaps. He essentially took an ideal 4-3 SAM LB & retooled his job description into a 3-4 ILB. Kareem had one of the worst rookie seasons I have ever had the misfortune to endure, yet he built him back into a solid CB in a miraculous one year turnaround. There is no denying Wade Phillips impact on this team, his friendship along with respect & love showered upon him by his players, fellow coaches, front office plus entire Texan fan base :wadepalm:

gary
06-25-2012, 09:08 AM
no question QB is the most important position in football, but Texans are the type of team who can keep rolling without him. It's all about defense & spreading the field offensively with solid line play on the back of Arian not Matt.In the playoffs Matt would have helped more than Yates.

beerlover
06-25-2012, 09:29 AM
In the playoffs Matt would have helped more than Yates.

probably, but Texans would have won if not for Jacoby coughing up the turnover. Yates played well enough.

HOU-TEX
06-25-2012, 10:38 AM
probably, but Texans would have won if not for Jacoby coughing up the turnover. Yates played well enough.

The same could be said about Yates' 1st int. Yates did not play well enough. Both Yates and JJ were at fault because an argument can be made for both costing us the game

beerlover
06-25-2012, 06:55 PM
The same could be said about Yates' 1st int. Yates did not play well enough. Both Yates and JJ were at fault because an argument can be made for both costing us the game

That was Ed Reed. He makes a lot if QB's look silly. Sure TJ would like to have that one back, but that's what makes Reed the greatest safety of his era.

infantrycak
06-25-2012, 07:06 PM
probably, but Texans would have won if not for Jacoby coughing up the turnover. Yates played well enough.

3 INT's in a game is never playing well enough. You escape with it sometimes but that is all it is.

The Pencil Neck
06-25-2012, 08:21 PM
3 INT's in a game is never playing well enough. You escape with it sometimes but that is all it is.

Brady threw for 2 the next week. Roethlisberger threw for 3 against them the first week of the season.

TJ didn't play well. But a lot of good, experienced quarterbacks have looked bad against that defense.

Texan_Bill
06-25-2012, 08:52 PM
In the playoffs Matt would have helped more than Yates.

probably, but Texans would have won if not for Jacoby coughing up the turnover. Yates played well enough.

JUP!!!!

You play a playoff game with a rookie QB, you need to play from ahead which the Texans did (Field Goal). Then the defense goes out and causes a three-and-out... PERFECT!!!!

Enter Jacoby Jones... A bone-headed play costs our defense 4 yards and a TD (AGAIN, after the "D" went 3 and out)... All of the sudden, we're down 7-3. This is not how you protect a rookie QB that had started how many games??? Yates (and believe it or not, I don't think he's anything but a backup) of course, WAS put in position to fail... He had to attempt throws that he wasn't prepared to make...... That said, the defense was money, the entire game.

SO YES, this was on Jacoby!!

infantrycak
06-25-2012, 09:15 PM
Brady threw for 2 the next week. Roethlisberger threw for 3 against them the first week of the season.

TJ didn't play well. But a lot of good, experienced quarterbacks have looked bad against that defense.

So? The Steelers got their asses handed to them that game. Brady said he played awful and they got lucky - heck the FG kicker missed a 30 yarder to end the game. TJ did not play "well enough" against Baltimore. You don't have a QB rating of 28 (half of their bad games) and have played "well enough."

thunderkyss
06-25-2012, 10:06 PM
JUP!!!!

You play a playoff game with a rookie QB, you need to play from ahead which the Texans did (Field Goal). Then the defense goes out and causes a three-and-out... PERFECT!!!!


SO YES, this was on Jacoby!!

How 'bout, "You play a playoff game with a rookie QB, you need to do better than 3 YPC in the second half" ?

That's what killed us. The Score was 13-17 to start the second half. Baltimore didn't score again, until after TJ's 2nd INT with 4:29 left in the game.

Ben Tate didn't get one carry in the second half. Foster killed them in the first half, with 100 yards on 15 carries. Tate didn't do so well. But in the second half, they adjusted to Foster.

Tate isn't better than Foster, but he's different enough, that a healthy, creative dose of both backs would have been benificial to us.

TJ Yates was never going to win that game, on the road. Foster & Tate could have.

Dutchrudder
06-25-2012, 10:11 PM
3 INT's in a game is never playing well enough. You escape with it sometimes but that is all it is.

The last INT would have never happened if we were up 3 instead of down 4. 2 INTs should pretty much be expected for a rookie QB against the Ravens' D.

beerlover
06-25-2012, 10:14 PM
Funny, maybe it's my selective memory kicking in? But don't remember being that upset with TJ in Ravens match-up. The defense was playing at such a high level the Ravens would have never scored except for Jacoby gift on the doorstop. I suppose if anything on Yates turnovers this game would have been a comfortable win, but Raven defense lives off turnovers. Flaco's not that much better than a rookie QB named Yates (Texans traded that pick which Baltimore used to take Joe. Kinda ironic if you think about it).

infantrycak
06-25-2012, 10:20 PM
The last INT would have never happened if we were up 3 instead of down 4. 2 INTs should pretty much be expected for a rookie QB against the Ravens' D.

I'm not laying the loss at either TJ or JJ's feet. But TJ did not play "well enough." He had a crap game. He was under 50%, had a miserable ypa and 3 INT's. It was a bad game for him. He did not play well enough.

thunderkyss
06-25-2012, 11:42 PM
Funny, maybe it's my selective memory kicking in? But don't remember being that upset with TJ in Ravens match-up. The defense was playing at such a high level the Ravens would have never scored except for Jacoby gift on the doorstop.

Well yeah.......

if you don't count the other 13 points they scored.

:kitten:

ObsiWan
06-26-2012, 01:14 AM
probably, but Texans would have won if not for Jacoby coughing up the turnover. Yates played well enough.

Please... not this again.
edit...

you're right TPN...
We've beaten this subject to death already.

The Pencil Neck
06-26-2012, 02:32 AM
Screw it.

It's not worth it.

Rey
06-26-2012, 06:50 AM
Funny, maybe it's my selective memory kicking in? But don't remember being that upset with TJ in Ravens match-up. The defense was playing at such a high level the Ravens would have never scored except for Jacoby gift on the doorstop. I suppose if anything on Yates turnovers this game would have been a comfortable win, but Raven defense lives off turnovers. Flaco's not that much better than a rookie QB named Yates (Texans traded that pick which Baltimore used to take Joe. Kinda ironic if you think about it).

Yates didn't have a good game, but considering the circumstances I was more upset with what jacoby did than with what tj did. I didnt expect Yates to go into Baltimore and light them up. I did foolishly expect jacoby to not make that type of error.

HOU-TEX
06-26-2012, 08:52 AM
That was Ed Reed. He makes a lot if QB's look silly. Sure TJ would like to have that one back, but that's what makes Reed the greatest safety of his era.

Actually, it was Ladarius Webb. TJ attempted to force it to AJ and threw it directly to Webb, who had AJ covered.

The 2nd INT was also Webb. TJ tried to force it to Walter who was double, borderline triple covered.

The last one was a toss up in the endzone that Reed picked off.

So, in the end, TJ had a miserable game. JJ had a miserable game

beerlover
06-26-2012, 11:49 AM
Actually, it was Ladarius Webb. TJ attempted to force it to AJ and threw it directly to Webb, who had AJ covered.

The 2nd INT was also Webb. TJ tried to force it to Walter who was double, borderline triple covered.

The last one was a toss up in the endzone that Reed picked off.

So, in the end, TJ had a miserable game. JJ had a miserable game

And Webb is now one of the highest paid CB's in the league, on par with Jonathan Joseph I see no disgrace in that? :mariopalm:

HOU-TEX
06-26-2012, 12:00 PM
And Webb is now one of the highest paid CB's in the league, on par with Jonathan Joseph I see no disgrace in that? :mariopalm:

I don't think that has anything to do with my point.

My point is that TJ is just as much to blame JJ for that loss.

beerlover
06-26-2012, 12:33 PM
I don't think that has anything to do with my point.

My point is that TJ is just as much to blame JJ for that loss.

Kubes on Yates I think its kind of how hes been playing for eight weeks. He made a lot of great plays in the game, and he made a lot of mistakes. Fortunately for us during the course of the eight weeks, his mistakes were not necessarily interceptions. Today they were interceptions. You cant coach a kid enough, as a quarterback, about how good No. 20 [S Ed Reed] is in the middle of the field and what you need to do to control him. He found out the hard way today. Ed made some great plays back there.


Yates on Reed & Raven D I knew we were facing one of the best defenses around, and I learned pretty quickly that just because I read the right coverage, it may not work. Ed Reed makes up for so much. He is all over the place. You may be making the right read, but Ed Reed will make a play anyway. He taught a lesson today.


you draw your own conclusions I'll draw mine. I choose to give the Baltimore Raven defense some credit for his tough day & Texans loss, yet feel the deal breaker was still the fumble by Jacoby that broke Texans back :barman:

b0ng
06-26-2012, 12:36 PM
Come on. When the hell has this board given a pass to a guy who threw 3 picks in a game? I am just as glad as the next Texans fan that TJ didn't piss away a 7-3 record like Caleb Hanie, but he hasn't done enough to warrant giving him a pardon on the Ravens game.

badboy
06-26-2012, 12:54 PM
I don't think that has anything to do with my point.

My point is that TJ is just as much to blame JJ for that loss.I expect a 5th round selection to make rookie mistakes. Not so for a vet.

HOU-TEX
06-26-2012, 01:21 PM
Come on. When the hell has this board given a pass to a guy who threw 3 picks in a game? I am just as glad as the next Texans fan that TJ didn't piss away a 7-3 record like Caleb Hanie, but he hasn't done enough to warrant giving him a pardon on the Ravens game.

I don't understand the TJ love myself, bro. To me, it's obvious our offense took a big step backwards when TJ ran it. Yet, there are a select few around here ready to toss Schaub out in favor of him. Sure, he made some good plays, but he's not anywhere comparable to Schaub.

I expect a 5th round selection to make rookie mistakes. Not so for a vet.

Again, my point was short and simple. TJ and JJ both gave up that game. That's it. That was my only point. I don't care who he threw against, how much $ they made or whether he's a rookie or a vet.