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Ryan
06-15-2012, 02:27 PM
I know alot of people on this board that would be interested in this.

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2012/6/15/3089640/nfl-to-make-coaches-film-available-to-fans

Die hard football fans, the kind of fans that like to dig into the details of the game's Xs and Os may have experienced heart palpitations on Friday morning. The NFL announced, after years of begging and cajoling from fans, that it will make "Coaches Film" available through its Game Rewind feature, which allows fans to watch archived broadcasts of each and every NFL game.



Coaches Film shows the entire field of play, a bird's eye view of all 22 players on the field and what they are doing, or not doing in some cases. Utilizing a number of different camera angles it facilitates a better understanding of what transpires all over field rather than the television broadcast which typically follows possession of the ball.

HOU-TEX
06-15-2012, 02:47 PM
I just saw people Tweeting about this, so I checked it out. I'm not gonna lie, I might be all over this.....if the wife gives the go ahead.

The Pencil Neck
06-15-2012, 02:48 PM
o. m. g.

infantrycak
06-15-2012, 03:05 PM
I am surprised the NFL Network doesn't have a regular series breaking down schemes and plays. A lot of folks have no idea what zone blocking, cover 2, Tampa 2, etc. mean. Just donate one hour a week to education rather than repeating the same stories over and over. Do it after work hours so dad's could sit down with their kids or wives so they better understand the game. I admit that was sexist, but on average...

Double Barrel
06-15-2012, 03:30 PM
Very cool!

I assume the $60 subscription is yearly? If so, $5/month is not a bad deal at all for this kind of access. It will certainly be a nice option to see individual performances throughout the course of games and seasons.

76Texan
06-15-2012, 03:46 PM
http://www.battleredblog.com/2012/6/15/3089868/this-is-big-coaches-film-will-be-made-available-to-nfl-fans

The NFL announced today that it will make "All-22" footage (a/k/a "Coaches Film") available to the public as part of the Season-Plus package of its Game Rewind offering for the 2012 season. For $59.99, you'll have access to "special camera angles that let you watch and analyze the game like a pro football coach" for every play of the 2012 season.

El Tejano
06-15-2012, 04:02 PM
Bill Belichek thinks this idea is great and approves of it!!!!

Dutchrudder
06-15-2012, 04:19 PM
Very cool. For $60, you might as well get a friend or two to split the cost and share one account. It's not like people will be watching it all that much, but I'm sure some of the guys on the forum who like to breakdown plays could pool together and share.

The one thing that sucks about it is you can't link the plays to non-subscribers. You will need to get video captures going and edit things, post them on youtube under private mode, and then link it to share video. That's kind of a lot of hassle, but it could be useful for some things.

The Pencil Neck
06-15-2012, 04:21 PM
You will need to get video captures going and edit things...

Too bad no one here who likes to break down plays knows how to do that.








:kubepalm:

Dutchrudder
06-15-2012, 04:30 PM
Too bad no one here who likes to break down plays knows how to do that.








:kubepalm:

You say that as if it is commonplace to see videos of plays broken down. The only thing I see consistently is 76Texan's slideshow of pictures. Does anyone else do that around here? Maybe Lance Zeirlein or Dalemurphy, but that's for their websites, not really the TT forum.

The Pencil Neck
06-15-2012, 05:10 PM
You say that as if it is commonplace to see videos of plays broken down. The only thing I see consistently is 76Texan's slideshow of pictures. Does anyone else do that around here? Maybe Lance Zeirlein or Dalemurphy, but that's for their websites, not really the TT forum.

I was poking fun at 76Texan's threads.

Dutchrudder
06-15-2012, 05:32 PM
I was poking fun at 76Texan's threads.

Ah, gotcha. I was thinking about it and I believe I could do this. I don't really care to watch each play 22 different ways, but if we had a thread for requests and a system for saying X:XX time with X camera angle, I could probably cut and upload the videos. I'd just need to look at the format of the clips and the way they are presented, but I have used stuff like this before for video games. I used Fraps for WoW and CS back in the day, so I'm sure it can't be that hard to figure out how to capture the NFL films stuff. It would be especially cool if you could do side-by-side videos of the WR running the route and the QB in the pocket so you could watch them in tandem.

drs23
06-15-2012, 05:43 PM
I was poking fun at 76Texan's threads.

I caught that. :D

The Pencil Neck
06-15-2012, 05:47 PM
Ah, gotcha. I was thinking about it and I believe I could do this. I don't really care to watch each play 22 different ways, but if we had a thread for requests and a system for saying X:XX time with X camera angle, I could probably cut and upload the videos. I'd just need to look at the format of the clips and the way they are presented, but I have used stuff like this before for video games. I used Fraps for WoW and CS back in the day, so I'm sure it can't be that hard to figure out how to capture the NFL films stuff. It would be especially cool if you could do side-by-side videos of the WR running the route and the QB in the pocket so you could watch them in tandem.

The All-22 isn't 22 different vids. It's one video from high enough that you can see what all 22 players are doing on the field. This way, you can more easily read what all the different player's assignments probably are.

Just doing screen captures the way 76 used to do would be fine for making a point and given plenty of information for a more detailed discussion of things than we've been able to have in the past. But there's still going to be disagreement on which guy was supposed to do what and which guy busted their assignment.

b0ng
06-15-2012, 05:55 PM
The only other way you can really do motion is to make a .gif out of what you screen capture, and add your arrows and whatnot as you go through. I think a program like gimp could do it.

This is so worth $60 I'll probably get it this season.

Dutchrudder
06-16-2012, 01:45 AM
The All-22 isn't 22 different vids. It's one video from high enough that you can see what all 22 players are doing on the field. This way, you can more easily read what all the different player's assignments probably are.

Just doing screen captures the way 76 used to do would be fine for making a point and given plenty of information for a more detailed discussion of things than we've been able to have in the past. But there's still going to be disagreement on which guy was supposed to do what and which guy busted their assignment.

FTA:
Utilizing a number of different camera angles it facilitates a better understanding of what transpires all over field rather than the television broadcast which typically follows possession of the ball

Sounds like quite a few different angles of each play to me. Maybe not 22, but certainly more than one. I honestly don't know what to expect from it, but I'm sure there will be a lot of value in seeing the different routes and watching the protection schemes.

Playoffs
06-16-2012, 09:14 AM
Charley Casserly, a former general manager who was a member of the NFL's competition committee, says he voted against releasing All-22 footage because he worried that if fans had access, it would open players and teams up to a level of criticism far beyond the current hum of talk radio. Casserly believed fans would jump to conclusions after watching one or two games in the All 22, without knowing the full story.

"I was concerned about misinformation being spread about players and coaches and their ability to do their job," he said.Must be a good thing if Casserly is against it. :headhurts:

The Pencil Neck
06-16-2012, 02:08 PM
FTA:


Sounds like quite a few different angles of each play to me. Maybe not 22, but certainly more than one. I honestly don't know what to expect from it, but I'm sure there will be a lot of value in seeing the different routes and watching the protection schemes.

Well, I sit corrected. My understanding was it was just a single angle that allowed view of the full field.

b0ng
06-17-2012, 12:35 PM
The "All-22" portion of the title refers to being able to see all 22 players on the field at once, unlike regular broadcasts which are more centered around where the ball is at. The "22" is definitely not the number of camera angles you have access to.

Say Watt
06-17-2012, 01:53 PM
I am surprised the NFL Network doesn't have a regular series breaking down schemes and plays. A lot of folks have no idea what zone blocking, cover 2, Tampa 2, etc. mean. Just donate one hour a week to education rather than repeating the same stories over and over. Do it after work hours so dad's could sit down with their kids or wives so they better understand the game. I admit that was sexist, but on average...

Spectacular idea. I understand all/most of the terms, but it would be awesome to have something my wife could watch. It would be a regularly recorded show in our house. Send them an email or something explaining your idea. Worst case scenario they just ignore it. Best case scenario they actually do it.

srrono
06-23-2012, 04:34 PM
I wish Sunday Ticket would let you watch the game live in all 22.

Fili
06-24-2012, 02:15 PM
Has anyone actually purchased it yet? I'm about to.

Hardcore Texan
06-24-2012, 02:43 PM
I am surprised the NFL Network doesn't have a regular series breaking down schemes and plays. A lot of folks have no idea what zone blocking, cover 2, Tampa 2, etc. mean. Just donate one hour a week to education rather than repeating the same stories over and over. Do it after work hours so dad's could sit down with their kids or wives so they better understand the game. I admit that was sexist, but on average...

Drives me nuts, the run the same stories into the ground, there is so much more they could be doing.... irks me to no end.

TimeKiller
06-24-2012, 03:32 PM
Very cool. It would be even cooler if they would just take it easy on the regular broadcast view. Idk if every stadium is set up for that over the field cam but that's awesome.


Frankly, if the 60 bucks was for copies of a dvd, I'd be all over it. For more tv channels, no thanks.

Wolf
09-09-2012, 09:58 PM
bumping this up being the season started

curious on who is getting this

The Pencil Neck
09-10-2012, 10:53 AM
bumping this up being the season started

curious on who is getting this

I don't have it now. There's some chaos in my household and I can't justify the expense at this point. But I expect to get it later in the season.

b0ng
09-11-2012, 01:43 PM
The All-22 footage will end up getting linked here probably Wednesday night or Thursday depending on when the NFL releases it. I know I'll have it.:gamer:

76Texan
09-11-2012, 06:48 PM
The All-22 footage will end up getting linked here probably Wednesday night or Thursday depending on when the NFL releases it. I know I'll have it.:gamer:

Like I said, it will help confirm a few things, but nothing beats the understanding of the game (or trying to study the game).

I like it as it will give different fans a different perspective on the game.
They don't make easy for fans (to help them) to understand the game though.

b0ng
09-12-2012, 08:41 AM
So here's my take on the Coaches film, they released the Cowboys/Giants game yesterday:

Every play gets two angles, shown one after the other. One is the high angle far away shot from the side, and the other is a high angle far away shot from an endzone. After every play (or two) they'll cut to the scoreboard. No audio, and the film is about 58 minutes (They show punts and all plays so I'm not entirely sure what they cut out but whatever).

It's absolutely fantastic. The side angle shows the secondary really well, and the endzone shot gets all the line play you could want. I think it's worth it, plus Game Rewind is pretty good as well.

76Texan
09-12-2012, 12:14 PM
So here's my take on the Coaches film, they released the Cowboys/Giants game yesterday:

Every play gets two angles, shown one after the other. One is the high angle far away shot from the side, and the other is a high angle far away shot from an endzone. After every play (or two) they'll cut to the scoreboard. No audio, and the film is about 58 minutes (They show punts and all plays so I'm not entirely sure what they cut out but whatever).

It's absolutely fantastic. The side angle shows the secondary really well, and the endzone shot gets all the line play you could want. I think it's worth it, plus Game Rewind is pretty good as well.

I just used it to break down the Texans running game in the "Kubiak Not Happy" thread.

I think Wade Smith got a good chewing this week, LOL!

thunderkyss
09-12-2012, 12:49 PM
I'd love to get it, but don't know when I'll find time to watch it.


Games every Thursday night????? sheessshh.

Don't get me wrong, I love the extra football day.