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Section516
06-08-2012, 03:17 PM
The Texans will have $24.8 million.

In this piece about salary cap room, John Clayton shares some detail that’s quite positive for the AFC South.

Clayton addresses the remaining cap room in 2012, but even more interesting are the numbers for next year.

Contracts for their remaining 2012 unsigned draft picks will still factor into these numbers.

And some of the money will have to be spent on retaining in-house free-agents-to-be -- a list that includes Connor Barwin and Duane Brown in Houston, Austin Collie and Jerraud Powers in Indianapolis, Terrance Knighton and Derek Cox in Jacksonville, and Jason McCourty and Jared Cook in Tennessee.

Even with those pending free agents, Clayton’s salary-cap list for 2013 is filled with good news for the AFC South.

The Colts have the most room of anyone in the league with $43 million.
The Jaguars, minus Aaron Kampman, move up to $25 million, Clayton tells me.
The Texans will have $24.8 million.
The Titans should be at $16 million.


After the 2012 season, we should see our four teams in position to re-sign the guys they want and be able to do some shopping in the outside market -- especially the Colts, who will be in position to make the sort of additions that weren’t part of the operation during the Bill Polian regime and Peyton Manning era.


http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth

Reading the article, gives us 5th most cap room in 2013.

Ryan
06-08-2012, 03:23 PM
The Texans will have $24.8 million.

In this piece about salary cap room, John Clayton shares some detail that’s quite positive for the AFC South.

Clayton addresses the remaining cap room in 2012, but even more interesting are the numbers for next year.

Contracts for their remaining 2012 unsigned draft picks will still factor into these numbers.

And some of the money will have to be spent on retaining in-house free-agents-to-be -- a list that includes Connor Barwin and Duane Brown in Houston, Austin Collie and Jerraud Powers in Indianapolis, Terrance Knighton and Derek Cox in Jacksonville, and Jason McCourty and Jared Cook in Tennessee.

Even with those pending free agents, Clayton’s salary-cap list for 2013 is filled with good news for the AFC South.

The Colts have the most room of anyone in the league with $43 million.
The Jaguars, minus Aaron Kampman, move up to $25 million, Clayton tells me.
The Texans will have $24.8 million.
The Titans should be at $16 million.


After the 2012 season, we should see our four teams in position to re-sign the guys they want and be able to do some shopping in the outside market -- especially the Colts, who will be in position to make the sort of additions that weren’t part of the operation during the Bill Polian regime and Peyton Manning era.


http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth

Reading the article, gives us 5th most cap room in 2013.


We're gonna need just as much in 2014 as well to re-sign Cushing and Antonio Smith, although i wouldn't be surprised if we let Smith walk if his price tag is too high.

Perki-Perk
06-08-2012, 03:29 PM
That's pretty good, no? I expect Barwin will garner about 6mil/per and Brown about 10mil/per. Is this even close?

The Medic01
06-08-2012, 03:35 PM
Seriously. Oh man awesome. I thought we were in. Cap trouble next year.

IBleedTexans
06-08-2012, 04:48 PM
Isn't Matt a free agent also ?

NastyNate
06-08-2012, 05:25 PM
That's pretty good, no? I expect Barwin will garner about 6mil/per and Brown about 10mil/per. Is this even close?

Try about the same for Barwin if he continues to produce. Most OLB's in a 34 defense with Barwin's numbers are signing for around 9-10 mil.

Fili
06-08-2012, 06:04 PM
We're gonna need just as much in 2014 as well to re-sign Cushing and Antonio Smith, although i wouldn't be surprised if we let Smith walk if his price tag is too high.

Antonio is going to be old by then......

XI CMURDER IX
06-09-2012, 05:02 PM
Antonio is going to be old by then......

Hopefully Crick and develop and stay healthy behind him and eventually take his place.

thunderkyss
06-09-2012, 05:51 PM
The Texans will have $24.8 million.
Even with those pending free agents, Clayton’s salary-cap list for 2013 is filled with good news for the AFC South.

The Colts have the most room of anyone in the league with $43 million.
The Jaguars, minus Aaron Kampman, move up to $25 million, Clayton tells me.
The Texans will have $24.8 million.
The Titans should be at $16 million.

-- especially the Colts, who will be in position to make the sort of additions that weren’t part of the operation during the Bill Polian regime and Peyton Manning era.




So the question is....... does anyone have a list of expected 2013 Free Agents.

Playoffs
06-09-2012, 06:02 PM
So the question is....... does anyone have a list of expected 2013 Free Agents.http://nfltraderumors.co/2013-nfl-free-agents/

Miggsy
06-09-2012, 06:11 PM
We might be re-signing a lot of players that year...

Almost definite re-signs: Schaub, Brown, Barwin

?: Butler, Casey, Caldwell, Cody, McCain, Quin all unrestricted according to that link

Doesn't seem like there's going to be much room for shopping

Ryan
06-09-2012, 06:27 PM
We might be re-signing a lot of players that year...

Almost definite re-signs: Schaub, Brown, Barwin

?: Butler, Casey, Caldwell, Cody, McCain, Quin all unrestricted according to that link

Doesn't seem like there's going to be much room for shopping


Glover Quin and Brice McCain are really the only two I see on the bottom list that are must re-signs, and they can be had for reasonable amounts IMO. The rest depend on how they perform this season and we should get a good look at all of them.

CloakNNNdagger
06-09-2012, 06:28 PM
We (and even the Texans) can ponder the 2013 cap. But it's too early at this time to accurately foresee how it plays out. Too many questions to play out. Between now and then, how many injuries, how many successful or unsuccessful rehabs, how many players don't work out, and how many other unknowns? Looks decent now, but the real numbers won't be known until after the end of the season. And don't forget the salary escalations in the existing big buck player contracts.

Here is an interesting presentation of facts I came across that may affect the decisions made involving the 2013 salary cap situation:

One of the bigger free agent topics next offseason is guaranteed to be the free agent status of Schaub whose current contract expires at the end of this season. At that point, Schaub would have been in the NFL for 9 seasons but never been a free agent having been acquired by Houston from the Atlanta Falcons in 2007 and immediately signing the contract that he is currently on.

When Schaub originally signed with Houston, he received a $48 million deal for six years that included a $7 million signing bonus and a $10 million option partway through. Despite some of the injuries he has sustained, it can be argued that Schaub has easily outplayed this contract and should be able to get a contract over $10 million per year in free agency. Herein lies the problem.

The Houston Texans are in a salary cap bind which is only going to get worse as time goes on. Recently the club has given very big deals to wide receiver Andre Johnson – 7 years, $62.7 million, expires 2016 – running back Arian Foster – 5 years, $43.5 million, expires 2016 – Johnathan Joseph – 5 years, $48.75 million, expires 2015 – and Chris Myers – 4 years, $25 million, expires 2015. All of these big deals forced the club to jettison former first round pick and defensive stud Mario Williams at the end of his rookie contract which is unheard of even in modern salary cap times.

There’s more bad news to come for this relationship. The Texans have a number of very talented players becoming free agents in 2013 and 2014 whose status must be taken into account with the team up against the cap. In 2013 there’s some major players on the offensive line to re-sign with starting offensive tackles Duane Brown and Rashad Butler both becoming free agents. The team already lost star right tackle Eric Winston to Kansas City this past offseason so getting both offensive tackles back must be a priority. Starting right guard Antoine Caldwell is also due for free agency in 2012 although he may be allowed to leave after the team drafted University of Miami (OH) guard Brandon Brooks in the third round this year.

Still looking at 2013, the defensive pack also has a pair of starters who will get good money in defensive tackle Shaun Cody and linebacker Connor Barwin. It is possible Barwin may not remain given the drafting of Whitney Marcilus in the first round but with Mario Williams now gone Barwin is likely to be retained if possible.

The big hit will come in 2014 with two very big contracts due to be sorted – defensive end Antonio Smith and inside linebacker Brian Cushing. Smith got big money when he signed his current contract in 2009 for $35.5 million with $12.5 million of that guaranteed. His new contract could be up to the $40 million range by now. The big hit is going to come from Cushing’s contract as until now he has been paid rookie money and now is due for a massive payrise. His $14 million deal he signed as a rookie will likely jump to a deal similar to what the Texans will need to pay Smith and this is going to be a big drain on Houston’s cap.

So where does this leave Schaub?

Unfortunately for both Houston and for Schaub himself – he has indicated he’d like to stay if possible – these numbers likely mean that Schaub will be gone from the Houston Texans come the 2013 season. When it comes down to it, Schaub has had plenty of injury issues which will make him a risk for the future. The injury he is currently rehabbing – a lisfranc fracture in his foot – is one that commonly produces more problems and can only be managed rather than fully healed.

You look at his likely cap number – likely to be at least $10 million – and when you consider the other contracts Houston has to dish out this could be put to better use elsewhere. Then you look at the offensive strategy Houston has engaged in lately. This is a running team that will live and die by it’s running game – speaking of which, #2 running back Ben Tate is another due to become a free agent in 2014 and will be pursued – and because of this the quarterback position doesn’t need an elite player but rather just needs a professional player. This team is one who could get by with a veteran quarterback similar to Kyle Orton, Jason Campbell etc.

The final factor in this equation is perhaps most crucial of all – the interest from other teams in Schaub is likely to be exceptional. There are a number of teams out there that are still looking for a quarterback and there likely will be a few more by the end of this season with team like Buffalo, San Francisco, Kansas City and Tampa Bay to name a few having suspect quarterbacks. If Schaub were to hit the market, he will definitely be overvalued. It would not surprise me in the slightest to see a bidding war that approaches $13-15 million per year. The temptation of this could also be a factor in Schaub’s departure.link (http://nflspinzone.com/2012/05/09/you-heard-it-here-first-matt-schaub-will-leave-houston-in-2013/)

D1DAVE
06-09-2012, 06:56 PM
Wow that was a pretty good read on the cap. Get ready for Case huh?:thinking:

thunderkyss
06-09-2012, 08:29 PM
This team is one who could get by with a veteran quarterback similar to Kyle Orton, Jason Campbell etc

link (http://nflspinzone.com/2012/05/09/you-heard-it-here-first-matt-schaub-will-leave-houston-in-2013/)

Ewww...... those QBs couldn't do much with the likes of Forte & RunDMC.... pretty stout defenses to boot.

Playoffs
06-10-2012, 08:22 AM
...and because of this the quarterback position doesn’t need an elite player but rather just needs a professional player. This team is one who could get by with a veteran quarterback similar to Kyle Orton, Jason Campbell etc.
Totally disagree with his conclusion. We still need a top 10'ish QB. And we better find a replacement for Andre -- not an easy task.

badboy
06-10-2012, 09:21 AM
I would like to see how accurate Clayton was in discussing 2011 salary cap. If someone could research what he postulated before last off season and to how Texans eventually spent moneyI'd feel better. I am really hopeful that backups like Fig Newton (Butler) Brooks (Wade Smith), Crick (A. Smith) Yates (Schaub), Mercilus (Barwin) can start and save us cap dollars.

infantrycak
06-10-2012, 09:46 AM
I would like to see how accurate Clayton was in discussing 2011 salary cap. If someone could research what he postulated before last off season and to how Texans eventually spent moneyI'd feel better. I am really hopeful that backups like Fig Newton (Butler) Brooks (Wade Smith), Crick (A. Smith) Yates (Schaub), Mercilus (Barwin) can start and save us cap dollars.

You have become draft deranged as in want to dump people to find more stuff to talk about during the draft season. Butler is just getting his chance at starting. Barwin just had his first good season and you're looking to replace them already. Antonio is playing excellent football. You can hope all you want on Yates and I hope he progresses as well but so far the drop off to him from Schaub is huge and wishing he would get in for money is ridiculous. He isn't going to become starter and play out his rookie contract. Save us cap dollars to what end? To not re-sign others of our starters? Sure there is a limit on what the team should pay any player and we might get out bid but you don't go around willy nilly casting off key starters.

ObsiWan
06-10-2012, 11:16 AM
You have become draft deranged as in want to dump people to find more stuff to talk about during the draft season. Butler is just getting his chance at starting. Barwin just had his first good season and you're looking to replace them already. Antonio is playing excellent football. You can hope all you want on Yates and I hope he progresses as well but so far the drop off to him from Schaub is huge and wishing he would get in for money is ridiculous. He isn't going to become starter and play out his rookie contract. Save us cap dollars to what end? To not re-sign others of our starters? Sure there is a limit on what the team should pay any player and we might get out bid but you don't go around willy nilly casting off key starters.

This is where the 20%/70%/10% split comes in.
20% core players - those we must keep because the offense/defense goes thru them or there's way too much of a drop-off in production if we lose them.
70% starter guys - key players but their backups are pretty good.
10% revolving door guys. We're constantly looking to upgrade these folks anyway.

I posted my 20 percenter list in badboy's thread... What's yours?

infantrycak
06-10-2012, 12:07 PM
I posted my 20 percenter list in badboy's thread... What's yours?

I'll call that 10.5 players. In no particular order:

Schaub
Brown
Foster
AJ
Watt
JJo
Barwin
Reed
Cushing
Myers/Antonio - both key contributors at 30.

powda
06-10-2012, 01:29 PM
Totally disagree with his conclusion. We still need a top 10'ish QB. And we better find a replacement for Andre -- not an easy task.

Yup. I still remember what it was like to have carr. And every year you see how desperate teams are for just solid qb play in the draft. Reading this thread is depressing. I read about all the contracts to be redone and it makes me feel like this year is our last chance

badboy
06-11-2012, 02:29 PM
You have become draft deranged as in want to dump people to find more stuff to talk about during the draft season. Butler is just getting his chance at starting. Barwin just had his first good season and you're looking to replace them already. Antonio is playing excellent football. You can hope all you want on Yates and I hope he progresses as well but so far the drop off to him from Schaub is huge and wishing he would get in for money is ridiculous. He isn't going to become starter and play out his rookie contract. Save us cap dollars to what end? To not re-sign others of our starters? Sure there is a limit on what the team should pay any player and we might get out bid but you don't go around willy nilly casting off key starters.Deranged or not has little to do with the cost of those current starters upon expiration of their contracts. I am not looking to replace any but at end of this season we better have a plan.

Schaub, Barwin and Duane Brown should command huge new contracts and do not have to re-sign with Houston despite some posters comments I've seen on this MB.

Butler at approx $1.3m will want at least Eric Winston money. Cody may agree on a slight raise but will probably be offered much more as he can play 4-3 or 3-4.

Add to the cost that many want to re-sign Cushing this season. When I bring up facts some people see it as screaming the sky is falling. After the past few weeks, we better be open to some roster changes.

infantrycak
06-11-2012, 03:04 PM
Deranged or not has little to do with the cost of those current starters upon expiration of their contracts. I am not looking to replace any but at end of this season we better have a plan.

Schaub, Barwin and Duane Brown should command huge new contracts and do not have to re-sign with Houston despite some posters comments I've seen on this MB.

Butler at approx $1.3m will want at least Eric Winston money. Cody may agree on a slight raise but will probably be offered much more as he can play 4-3 or 3-4.

Add to the cost that many want to re-sign Cushing this season. When I bring up facts some people see it as screaming the sky is falling. After the past few weeks, we better be open to some roster changes.

Well other teams manage to keep core players together for long stretches of time even when they are paying far more than Schaub will command such as Manning and Brady and their players have gone to a lot more pro-bowls.

badboy
06-11-2012, 03:39 PM
Well other teams manage to keep core players together for long stretches of time even when they are paying far more than Schaub will command such as Manning and Brady and their players have gone to a lot more pro-bowls.Before the new CBA yes. The cap basically increases minimumly. As you recall this was the main reason the NFL locked out the players to re-gain control of the cap. Players percentage of profits also dropped.

infantrycak
06-11-2012, 03:58 PM
Players percentage of profits also dropped.

The players' percentage dropped but it is applied to a bigger pool. 60% of $100 mil is the same as 50% of 120 mil.

CloakNNNdagger
06-11-2012, 04:01 PM
Let's not forget the favor that AJ extended the team.

........Base Salary.........S. Bonus.........Misc. Bonus.......Cap Hit

2011: 6,000,000...........560,000..........2,428,571.... .....8,988,571

2012: 700,000..........1,720,000..........2,428,571..... .....4,848,571

2013: 6,200,000........1,720,000........2,428,571....... .10,348,571

2014: 6,500,000...........1,720,000........2,428,571.... .....10,648,571

ChampionTexan
06-11-2012, 04:14 PM
Let's not forget the favor that AJ extended the team.

........Base Salary.........S. Bonus.........Misc. Bonus.......Cap Hit

2011: 6,000,000...........560,000..........2,428,571.... .....8,988,571

2012: 700,000..........1,720,000..........2,428,571..... .....4,848,571

2013: 6,200,000........1,720,000........2,428,571....... .10,348,571

2014: 6,500,000...........1,720,000........2,428,571.... .....10,648,571

I would hope that Clayton's projection included the most current terms of AJ's contract in his estimate since this entire thread is based on his figures. It's been three months since AJ restructured, and Clayton's a pretty smart guy, so I'd be surprised if it's not reflected in the projected available cap space amount.

Hervoyel
06-11-2012, 04:35 PM
"The team already lost star right tackle Eric Winston to Kansas City this past offseason"

I think that he misspelled "servicable"

badboy
06-11-2012, 04:38 PM
I would hope that Clayton's projection included the most current terms of AJ's contract in his estimate since this entire thread is based on his figures. It's been three months since AJ restructured, and Clayton's a pretty smart guy, so I'd be surprised if it's not reflected in the projected available cap space amount.To my knowledge that savings was not spent so theoretically could go to re-signing someone. Brown would be my call.

ChampionTexan
06-11-2012, 04:45 PM
To my knowledge that savings was not spent so theoretically could go to re-signing someone. Brown would be my call.

There have been at least a couple of times when the Texans announced significant extensions only a day or two before the season started. Seems like they would come as complete surprises. Winston's final contract here was one of those times. If that happens before this season, and Brown is the guy, I'd be a very happy Texans fan.

badboy
06-11-2012, 04:53 PM
There have been at least a couple of times when the Texans announced significant extensions only a day or two before the season started. Seems like they would come as complete surprises. Winston's final contract here was one of those times. If that happens before this season, and Brown is the guy, I'd be a very happy Texans fan.Good point. I am hopeful all the FAs will agree to team friendly deals as that would only strengthen team. Just don't see it. I don't think A Smith has been asked to re-do his.

TimeKiller
06-11-2012, 06:19 PM
That's great news. More than enough to keep Barwin and Brown, maybe even enough to add a decent veteran.

Texan_Bill
06-11-2012, 07:08 PM
"The team already lost star right tackle Eric Winston to Kansas City this past offseason"

I think that he misspelled "servicable"

:spit: Right on Herv!!!!