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Wolf6151
06-04-2012, 01:08 AM
Let's start a list of players to watch in 2013. Make a list of players by position that you think will be great or that you think are currently underrated and by position as you think they will apply to Texans needs.
Example, I think WR will be a big need again regardless of what we did in this years draft and I think it will be a 1st or 2nd round pick. The guys I like at WR are:
WR:
Justin Hunter, DaRick Rogers, Cobi Hamilton, Marquess Wilson, and Ryan Swope, Terrance Williams but they both might have QB issues this year.

OT:
I think OT might be a need but not early, probably 4th or later for a new swing OT. The guys I'm looking at are.
Xavier Nixon, Tanner Hawkinson, David Yankey, and maybe Seantrel Henderson but that guys huge and will have to lose some weight.

ILB:
I think we'll look at ILB in the 3-5 rounds, guys I like.
Kevin Reddick, James Morris, Bruce Taylor, Nico Johnson, Patrick Larimore, and Andrew Jackson.

Let's see some of the guys you'll be keeping an eye on.

beerlover
06-05-2012, 09:25 AM
Let's start a list of players to watch in 2013. Make a list of players by position that you think will be great or that you think are currently underrated and by position as you think they will apply to Texans needs.
Example, I think WR will be a big need again regardless of what we did in this years draft and I think it will be a 1st or 2nd round pick. The guys I like at WR are:
WR:
Justin Hunter, DaRick Rogers, Cobi Hamilton, Marquess Wilson, and Ryan Swope, Terrance Williams but they both might have QB issues this year.

OT:
I think OT might be a need but not early, probably 4th or later for a new swing OT. The guys I'm looking at are.
Xavier Nixon, Tanner Hawkinson, David Yankey, and maybe Seantrel Henderson but that guys huge and will have to lose some weight.

ILB:
I think we'll look at ILB in the 3-5 rounds, guys I like.
Kevin Reddick, James Morris, Bruce Taylor, Nico Johnson, Patrick Larimore, and Andrew Jackson.

Let's see some of the guys you'll be keeping an eye on.

Sounds like an excellent idea :chef:

badboy
06-05-2012, 11:04 AM
My 2013 mock has several players from different posters.

mussop
06-05-2012, 11:33 PM
Cobi Hamilton, wr Arkansas
Zach Ertz, te Stanford
Barrett Jones,ol Alabama
Baker Steinkuhler,dt Nebraska
Manti Te'o,ilb Notre Dame
CJ Mosley, ilb Alabama
Chris Borland,ilb Wisconsin
Robert Lester,s Alabama
Zac Dysert QB Miami (Ohio) rSr 6-3 214

I will watch as many arkansas games this year as I can. Lots of talent on that team. Fell in love with Dysert last year. He is my favorite sleeper in this upcoming draft.

badboy
06-06-2012, 09:57 AM
Cobi Hamilton, wr Arkansas
Zach Ertz, te Stanford
Barrett Jones,ol Alabama
Baker Steinkuhler,dt Nebraska
Manti Te'o,ilb Notre Dame
CJ Mosley, ilb Alabama
Chris Borland,ilb Wisconsin
Robert Lester,s Alabama
Zac Dysert QB Miami (Ohio) rSr 6-3 214

I will watch as many arkansas games this year as I can. Lots of talent on that team. Fell in love with Dysert last year. He is my favorite sleeper in this upcoming draft.I really like Barrett Jones as he is getting experience at all OL positions. As you know he is suppose to move to center this season. I think he can become better at OT & OG with experience and NFL coaching.

Wolf6151
06-06-2012, 03:55 PM
Cobi Hamilton, wr Arkansas
Zach Ertz, te Stanford
Barrett Jones,ol Alabama
Baker Steinkuhler,dt Nebraska
Manti Te'o,ilb Notre Dame
CJ Mosley, ilb Alabama
Chris Borland,ilb Wisconsin
Robert Lester,s Alabama
Zac Dysert QB Miami (Ohio) rSr 6-3 214

I will watch as many arkansas games this year as I can. Lots of talent on that team. Fell in love with Dysert last year. He is my favorite sleeper in this upcoming draft.


Nice find on Zach Ertz-TE from Stanford, but he's listed as an underclassman by Walter. With what sounds like good potential do you think he'll go pro early in 2013? I'm thinking he stays in school at least one more year and goes high in the draft in 2014. The current list of draft eligible TE's doesn't look good for 2013.

rmartin65
06-06-2012, 05:48 PM
Quarterback

Currently on the roster- Matt Schaub, TJ Yates, John Beck, Case Keenum
Roster Outlook- 3 make the roster, Schaub, Yates, and one of Beck/Keenum. At the risk of being crucified by the board, I think Beck makes it.
2013 Outlook- Provided Schaub is healthy, I think a QB gets drafted in the late rounds, possibly a guy with plus athleticism that can add a wrinkle to the offense. However, if Schaub is more seriously injured, I can see a QB going in the first couple rounds.

Over the past 5 years, approximately 12 QBs have been drafted per year. Here are my top 15 draft-eligible QBs.
* denotes the player is an underclassman

1) Landry Jones, Oklahoma, 6’4” 230 lbs
2) Tyler Wilson, Arkansas, 6’3” 220 lbs
3) *Tyler Bray, Tennessee, 6’5” 210 lbs
4) Matt Barkley, USC, 6’1” 220 lbs
5) *Aaron Murray, Georgia, 6’1” 212 lbs
6) *Logan Thomas, Virginia Tech, 6’5” 255 lbs
7) Sean Renfree, Duke, 6’4” 225 lbs
8) Jeff Tuel, Washington State, 6’3” 225 lbs
9) EJ Manuel, Florida State, 6’4” 245 lbs
10) Mike Glennon, NC State, 6’4” 225 lbs
11) Brad Sorenson, Southern Utah, 6’4” 225 lbs
12) *Zach Mettenberger, LSU, 6’5” 225 lbs
13) Geno Smith, West Virginia, 6’3” 215 lbs
14) MarQuies Gray, Minnesota, 6’4” 240 lbs
15) Zac Dysert, Miani (OH), 6’3” 215 lbs

mussop
06-06-2012, 09:03 PM
Nice find on Zach Ertz-TE from Stanford, but he's listed as an underclassman by Walter. With what sounds like good potential do you think he'll go pro early in 2013? I'm thinking he stays in school at least one more year and goes high in the draft in 2014. The current list of draft eligible TE's doesn't look good for 2013.

There were alot of scouts that felt he was better than Coby Fleener. If he is that good he'll come out early.

mussop
06-06-2012, 09:09 PM
I really like Barrett Jones as he is getting experience at all OL positions. As you know he is suppose to move to center this season. I think he can become better at OT & OG with experience and NFL coaching.

He has played all over the line and is the leader of that group. High character and high football IQ. The biggest problem with him is his ability to stay healthy. Haven't read anything on him since late in the season last year, but if I remember right his knees were wore out. So it's depends on his medical more than anything else.

badboy
06-06-2012, 09:39 PM
He has played all over the line and is the leader of that group. High character and high football IQ. The biggest problem with him is his ability to stay healthy. Haven't read anything on him since late in the season last year, but if I remember right his knees were wore out. So it's depends on his medical more than anything else.He had a knee injury 2010 but ankle lastr season. I can find nothing saying he is not 100%. "I just landed on the side of my leg, and you've got these knee braces on, so a lot of times the reason you see a lot of ankle injuries on lineman is because when you get hit on the side of the leg, your knee is not going to buckle because you have that knee brace on. If you think about it, the pressure's got to go somewhere. It goes to your ankle. The ankle just kind of popped."

Full article: http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2012/01/now_that_barrett_jones_can_blo.html

rmartin65
06-07-2012, 12:05 PM
Runningback

Currently on the roster- Arian Foster, Ben Tate, Davin Meggett, Justin Forsett, Jonathan Grimes
Roster Outlook- 3 likely make the roster, with an outside shot at 4. Foster and Tate are locks, and personally, I think Meggett gets the final call.
2013 Outlook- My money is on this position being skipped next year. Foster, Tate and Meggett are all young, so barring a catastrophic injury to Foster or Tate, we don’t really need to focus on this position that much.

Over the past 5 years, an average of 19 backs are drafted. Here is my top 20.
*Denotes the player is an underclassman.

1) *Marcus Lattimore, South Carolina, 6’ 232 lbs
2) Montee Ball, Wisconsin, 5’9” 215 lbs
3) *Knile Davis, Arkansas, 6’ 225 lbs
4)* Cierre Wood, Notre Dame, 6’ 215 lbs
5) Ray Graham, Pittsburgh, 5’9” 195 lbs
6) *Eddie Lacy, Alabama, 5’10” 220 lbs
7) Kenjon Barner, Oregon, 5’11” 195 lbs
8) Rex Burkhead, Nebraska, 5’11” 210 lbs
9) Christine Michael, Texas A&M, 5’11” 215 lbs
10) Andre Eliington, Clemson, 5’10” 190 lbs
11) *Spencer Ware, LSU, 5’11” 225 lbs
12) Washaun Ealy, Jacksonville State, 5’11” 215 lbs
13) Mike James, Miami (FL), 5’11” 220 lbs
14) Onterrio McCalebb, Auburn, 5’10” 175 lbs
15) Jonathan Franklin, UCLA, 5’10” 195 lbs
16) Stepfan Taylor, Stanford, 5’11” 210 lbs
17) Zac Stacy, Vanderbilt, 5’9” 210 lbs
18) DJ Harper, Boise State, 5’9” 205 lbs
19) Dominique Whaley, Oklahoma, 5’10” 200 lbs
20) Jordan Hall, OSU, 5’9” 195 lbs

XI CMURDER IX
06-07-2012, 02:24 PM
Quarterback

Currently on the roster- Matt Schaub, TJ Yates, John Beck, Case Keenum
Roster Outlook- 3 make the roster, Schaub, Yates, and one of Beck/Keenum. At the risk of being crucified by the board, I think Beck makes it.
2013 Outlook- Provided Schaub is healthy, I think a QB gets drafted in the late rounds, possibly a guy with plus athleticism that can add a wrinkle to the offense. However, if Schaub is more seriously injured, I can see a QB going in the first couple rounds.

Over the past 5 years, approximately 12 QBs have been drafted per year. Here are my top 15 draft-eligible QBs.
* denotes the player is an underclassman

1) Landry Jones, Oklahoma, 6’4” 230 lbs
2) Tyler Wilson, Arkansas, 6’3” 220 lbs
3) *Tyler Bray, Tennessee, 6’5” 210 lbs
4) Matt Barkley, USC, 6’1” 220 lbs
5) *Aaron Murray, Georgia, 6’1” 212 lbs
6) *Logan Thomas, Virginia Tech, 6’5” 255 lbs
7) Sean Renfree, Duke, 6’4” 225 lbs
8) Jeff Tuel, Washington State, 6’3” 225 lbs
9) EJ Manuel, Florida State, 6’4” 245 lbs
10) Mike Glennon, NC State, 6’4” 225 lbs
11) Brad Sorenson, Southern Utah, 6’4” 225 lbs
12) *Zach Mettenberger, LSU, 6’5” 225 lbs
13) Geno Smith, West Virginia, 6’3” 215 lbs
14) MarQuies Gray, Minnesota, 6’4” 240 lbs
15) Zac Dysert, Miani (OH), 6’3” 215 lbs

Matt Barkley is 4th on the list? Landry Jones is number 1? Go back and watch some Oklahoma games with Ryan Broyles out, Jones was completely lost without him out there. Something like no touchdowns and half-a-dozen interceptions the rest of that season I think.

I would put Landry Jones with Tyler Bray just below Barkley, Wilson, and Thomas. In no particular order.

rmartin65
06-07-2012, 02:31 PM
Matt Barkley is 4th on the list? Landry Jones is number 1? Go back and watch some Oklahoma games with Ryan Broyles out, Jones was completely lost without him out there. Something like no touchdowns and half-a-dozen interceptions the rest of that season I think.

I would put Landry Jones with Tyler Bray just below Barkley, Wilson, and Thomas. In no particular order.

Nah, I am a big fan of Jones, and I have watched him plenty. Take the primary weapon out of any pass game, and any QB will struggle. Jones has size, a pro arm, and decent mobility. He has a ton of experience as well, which is huge.

Wolf6151
06-07-2012, 04:49 PM
Cornerback-CB

Currently with Joseph, KJ, McCain, Harris, Carmichael, etc... on the roster I think we've got YOUNG talent that needs experience, coaching, and mentoring. Our CB's were significantly better last year with better coaching (Vance Joseph), veteran leadership (Jonathan Joseph), and a much improved pass rush. I think we have the foundation for a pretty good corp. of CB's but it's been said many times "you can never have to many good CB's". CB is also one of those positions that don't translate naturally from college to the NFL, it's very difficult and takes time. With that said I think we address CB in the 2013 draft early, 1-2 rounds, since we skipped CB in the 2012 draft. If all our current guys workout then our 2013 draftee will be a work in progress in the pipeline, if our current guys don't work out then a highly drafted CB will be pushed along early based on potential, but it's always good to have quality depth at such a critical position especially since the NFL has become such a pass first league. 2013 looks to be a very good year for CB's in the draft. Guys available in the 1st-2nd rounds, in no particular order. I eliminated David Amerson and Xavier Rhodes as guys who go before we pick in the 1st round, and Rhodes size makes me think of FS for him in the NFL, we'll see. There seems to be alot of CB's in the 5'11" - 6'1" range in the early part of the draft next year, this is a good thing.

Johnthan Banks-Mississippi St.
Demarcus Milliner-Alabama
Tyrann Mathieu-LSU, listed as 5'9" but we all know how everyone shrinks at the Combine, great skills but I'm leery.
Desmond Trufant-Washington
Carrington Byndom-Texas, he's got the size and speed but I'm always skeptical of guys from Texas.
Micah Hyde-Iowa, 2nd round pick in my current mock.
Kyle Fuller-Virginia Tech.
Logan Ryan-Rutgers
Jordan Poyer-Oregon St.
Braden Smith-Georgia
Johnny Adams-Michigan St.


This isn't everyone, I'm sure I left out a couple people. 2013 looks to be a very good year for taking a CB in the 1st or 2nd round.

steelbtexan
06-07-2012, 09:23 PM
Cornerback-CB

Currently with Joseph, KJ, McCain, Harris, Carmichael, etc... on the roster I think we've got YOUNG talent that needs experience, coaching, and mentoring. Our CB's were significantly better last year with better coaching (Vance Joseph), veteran leadership (Jonathan Joseph), and a much improved pass rush. I think we have the foundation for a pretty good corp. of CB's but it's been said many times "you can never have to many good CB's". CB is also one of those positions that don't translate naturally from college to the NFL, it's very difficult and takes time. With that said I think we address CB in the 2013 draft early, 1-2 rounds, since we skipped CB in the 2012 draft. If all our current guys workout then our 2013 draftee will be a work in progress in the pipeline, if our current guys don't work out then a highly drafted CB will be pushed along early based on potential, but it's always good to have quality depth at such a critical position especially since the NFL has become such a pass first league. 2013 looks to be a very good year for CB's in the draft. Guys available in the 1st-2nd rounds, in no particular order. I eliminated David Amerson and Xavier Rhodes as guys who go before we pick in the 1st round, and Rhodes size makes me think of FS for him in the NFL, we'll see. There seems to be alot of CB's in the 5'11" - 6'1" range in the early part of the draft next year, this is a good thing.

Johnthan Banks-Mississippi St.
Demarcus Milliner-Alabama
Tyrann Mathieu-LSU, listed as 5'9" but we all know how everyone shrinks at the Combine, great skills but I'm leery.
Desmond Trufant-Washington
Carrington Byndom-Texas, he's got the size and speed but I'm always skeptical of guys from Texas.
Micah Hyde-Iowa, 2nd round pick in my current mock.
Kyle Fuller-Virginia Tech.
Logan Ryan-Rutgers
Jordan Poyer-Oregon St.
Braden Smith-Georgia
Johnny Adams-Michigan St.


This isn't everyone, I'm sure I left out a couple people. 2013 looks to be a very good year for taking a CB in the 1st or 2nd round.

Amerson from NC St.

Also Metenberger has a chance to be steal for somebody.

Wolf6151
06-08-2012, 01:11 AM
Amerson from NC St.

Also Metenberger has a chance to be steal for somebody.

Next to last sentence of the paragraph. I didn't list Amerson because he's most likely not in our range, he'll go top 10, and hopefully we're picking #32 or at least in the high 20's.

beerlover
06-08-2012, 10:41 AM
I would like to see Hebron Fangupo stay healthy & push for reps in nose rotation but I just don't really like his odds (injury's). Then Cody will be a FA next year (2013) this could become a huge need for the Texans, to add another nose to compete with Earl Mitchell for reps, it just makes too much sense similar to drafting Bullock to replace departed Neil Rackers. So with that said I would be looking for elite help early if available?

Star Lotulelei, DT, Utah is one of the top DT prospects in next years class. He could push for starting reps as a rookie, drawing comparisons to former Oregon Duck and current Baltimore Ravens' star Haloti Ngata. Texans would however have to trade up to get him.

Johnathon Hankins, DT, the Ohio State. Texans have hit pay dirt in the Big Ten so Hankins is a more likely possibility. He would be your more typical nose with freakish combination of size (6-3, 335), strength and athleticism as Dontari Poe. Not a sexy pick I must admit but will have to see how things play out next offseason.

Bennie Logan, DT, LSU is more of a small penetration one gap nose with plus pass rushing/pressure numbers. Only 6-3 288 his motor my interest Wade in his system, has frame to put on weight just like Mitchell has. I would give him early 2nd rd. grade now but its so early, he plays for LSU in the SEC so his stock could soar come next April.

Kawann Short, DT, Purdue. He has everything that Rick Smith likes, BIG 10. Purdue, plus is built like Wade Phillips likes in his 3-4. Short has a thick, wide frame and plays with excellent strength and leverage, making him a potential nose guard candidate. He considered leaving school a year early, but was given a third-round grade by the NFL Draft Advisory Board. This next draft Texans could trade down acquire extra picks & take him in the 2nd. Don't see him as first round talent, more of a rotational guy who could hold a position of need for the Texans next year.

:wesmantexanfan:

76Texan
06-08-2012, 12:53 PM
Runningback

Currently on the roster- Arian Foster, Ben Tate, Davin Meggett, Justin Forsett, Jonathan Grimes
Roster Outlook- 3 likely make the roster, with an outside shot at 4. Foster and Tate are locks, and personally, I think Meggett gets the final call.
2013 Outlook- My money is on this position being skipped next year. Foster, Tate and Meggett are all young, so barring a catastrophic injury to Foster or Tate, we don’t really need to focus on this position that much.



Who knows, the Texans might just trade Ben Tate if there's a good offer.

Wolf6151
06-08-2012, 05:58 PM
I would like to see Hebron Fangupo stay healthy & push for reps in the nose rotation but I just don't really like his odds. Then Cody being a free agent next year I could see Texans having a huge need to add a big ugly next to Earl Mitchell it just makes too much sense. So with that said I would be looking for elite help early if available?

Star Lotulelei, DT, Utah is one of the top DT prospects in next years class. He could push for starting reps as a rookie, drawing comparisons to comparisons to former Oregon Duck and current Baltimore Ravens' star Haloti Ngata. Texans would however have to trade up to get him.

Johnathon Hankins, DT, the Ohio State. Texans have hit pay dirt in the Big Ten so Hankins is a more likely possibility. He would be your more typical nose with freakish combination of size (6-3, 335), strength and athleticism as Dontari Poe. Not a sexy pick I must admit but will have to see how things play out next offseason.

Bennie Logan, DT, LSU is more of a small penetration one gap nose with plus pass rushing/pressure numbers. Only 6-3 288 his motor my interest Wade in his system, has frame to put on weight just like Mitchell has. I would give him early 2nd rd. grade now but its so early, he plays for LSU in the SEC so his stock could soar come next April.

Kawann Short, DT, Purdue. He has everything that Rick Smith likes, BIG 10. Purdue, plus is built like Wade Phillips likes in his 3-4. Short has a thick, wide frame and plays with excellent strength and leverage, making him a potential nose guard candidate. He considered leaving school a year early, but was given a third-round grade by the NFL Draft Advisory Board. This next draft Texans could trade down acquire extra picks & take him in the 2nd. Don't see him as first round talent, more of a rotational guy who could hold a position of need for the Texans next year.

:wesmantexanfan:

I like Lotulelei but he most likely goes way before our pick in the 1st. I like Hankins size but he also probably goes earlier than we pick in the 1st. I don't know anything about Logan, I'll have to do some reading. I like Short alot, had him in some of my mocks last year. If he fell to our pick in the 2nd I'd jump on him fast. Any DT/NT we pick is going to be a rotational player though so I'm thinking 2nd or 3rd round. I see our top 3 needs as WR, CB, and DT/DE for next year, but that all depends on how the CB corp plays. Do you think DT/NT could be a 1st round need?

If you want a massive NT take a look at Jonathan Jenkins from Georgia, dudes huge but probably doesn't fit Wade's one gap system. I like Sylvester Williams from N.C. as well, and Sharrif Floyd from Florida. Next year seems to be a good year for picking up a DT/NT somewhere in rounds 2-4.

As a whole I like the talent level at several of our positions of need. I think it'll be a deep draft at CB, FS/SS, DT, QB, ILB, OG, and OT. I think it'll be average at WR and below average at TE.

badboy
06-08-2012, 08:26 PM
Cornerback-CB

Currently with Joseph, KJ, McCain, Harris, Carmichael, etc... on the roster I think we've got YOUNG talent that needs experience, coaching, and mentoring. Our CB's were significantly better last year with better coaching (Vance Joseph), veteran leadership (Jonathan Joseph), and a much improved pass rush. I think we have the foundation for a pretty good corp. of CB's but it's been said many times "you can never have to many good CB's". CB is also one of those positions that don't translate naturally from college to the NFL, it's very difficult and takes time. With that said I think we address CB in the 2013 draft early, 1-2 rounds, since we skipped CB in the 2012 draft. If all our current guys workout then our 2013 draftee will be a work in progress in the pipeline, if our current guys don't work out then a highly drafted CB will be pushed along early based on potential, but it's always good to have quality depth at such a critical position especially since the NFL has become such a pass first league. 2013 looks to be a very good year for CB's in the draft. Guys available in the 1st-2nd rounds, in no particular order. I eliminated David Amerson and Xavier Rhodes as guys who go before we pick in the 1st round, and Rhodes size makes me think of FS for him in the NFL, we'll see. There seems to be alot of CB's in the 5'11" - 6'1" range in the early part of the draft next year, this is a good thing.

Johnthan Banks-Mississippi St.
Demarcus Milliner-Alabama
Tyrann Mathieu-LSU, listed as 5'9" but we all know how everyone shrinks at the Combine, great skills but I'm leery.
Desmond Trufant-Washington
Carrington Byndom-Texas, he's got the size and speed but I'm always skeptical of guys from Texas.
Micah Hyde-Iowa, 2nd round pick in my current mock.
Kyle Fuller-Virginia Tech.
Logan Ryan-Rutgers
Jordan Poyer-Oregon St.
Braden Smith-Georgia
Johnny Adams-Michigan St.


This isn't everyone, I'm sure I left out a couple people. 2013 looks to be a very good year for taking a CB in the 1st or 2nd round.I love Banks but we will be drafting a WR in one of the first two rounds.

steelbtexan
06-09-2012, 12:10 AM
I would like to see Hebron Fangupo stay healthy & push for reps in the nose rotation but I just don't really like his odds. Then Cody being a free agent next year I could see Texans having a huge need to add a big ugly next to Earl Mitchell it just makes too much sense. So with that said I would be looking for elite help early if available?

Star Lotulelei, DT, Utah is one of the top DT prospects in next years class. He could push for starting reps as a rookie, drawing comparisons to comparisons to former Oregon Duck and current Baltimore Ravens' star Haloti Ngata. Texans would however have to trade up to get him.

Johnathon Hankins, DT, the Ohio State. Texans have hit pay dirt in the Big Ten so Hankins is a more likely possibility. He would be your more typical nose with freakish combination of size (6-3, 335), strength and athleticism as Dontari Poe. Not a sexy pick I must admit but will have to see how things play out next offseason.

Bennie Logan, DT, LSU is more of a small penetration one gap nose with plus pass rushing/pressure numbers. Only 6-3 288 his motor my interest Wade in his system, has frame to put on weight just like Mitchell has. I would give him early 2nd rd. grade now but its so early, he plays for LSU in the SEC so his stock could soar come next April.

Kawann Short, DT, Purdue. He has everything that Rick Smith likes, BIG 10. Purdue, plus is built like Wade Phillips likes in his 3-4. Short has a thick, wide frame and plays with excellent strength and leverage, making him a potential nose guard candidate. He considered leaving school a year early, but was given a third-round grade by the NFL Draft Advisory Board. This next draft Texans could trade down acquire extra picks & take him in the 2nd. Don't see him as first round talent, more of a rotational guy who could hold a position of need for the Texans next year.

:wesmantexanfan:

Lotulelei is a top 10 guy in next yrs draft. IMHO

He probably wont go that high. But make no mistake about it. He's a stud.

beerlover
06-09-2012, 07:37 AM
Right now, on my short list would be Kawann Short. http://www.annarbor.com/assets_c/2011/10/Purdue_Ill_KawannShort-thumb-590x429-92492.jpg How is that for early BB & 65?

rmartin65
06-09-2012, 10:12 AM
I like it BL. That dude is a monster.

beerlover
06-10-2012, 09:49 PM
I like it BL. That dude is a monster.

System fit. Decent size, sudden when he releases, multiple moves inside can even flip outside thus flexing some bonus value. Looks like he could get a first round grade on several teams boards. Big 10 + Purdue just seem like a Rick Smith wait & take :logo:

Wolf6151
06-11-2012, 12:20 AM
System fit. Decent size, sudden when he releases, multiple moves inside can even flip outside thus flexing some bonus value. Looks like he could get a first round grade on several teams boards. Big 10 + Purdue just seem like a Rick Smith wait & take :logo:


I agree with everything said, seems like he'd be a perfect and natural fit for the Texans. Coming from Purdue surely Rick Smith is salivating already. Only bad thing is we'd most likely have to take him in the 1st round, and since I'm expecting a good year from the Texans and that we'll be drafting late in every round again. Although I really like the guy, is DT/NT our biggest need? Especially now that Earl Mitchell has added some weight and it seems that many people are expecting him to step up and take the NT spot from Cody. Also I can see WR as a bigger need and possibly CB and DE as well. I doubt Short would be available in the late 2nd.

Corrosion
06-11-2012, 01:06 AM
Matt Barkley is 4th on the list? Landry Jones is number 1? Go back and watch some Oklahoma games with Ryan Broyles out, Jones was completely lost without him out there. Something like no touchdowns and half-a-dozen interceptions the rest of that season I think.

I would put Landry Jones with Tyler Bray just below Barkley, Wilson, and Thomas. In no particular order.

At this point in time , I dont consider a single QB in next years draft class ... an NFL QB , unless you consder that dude impersonating a QB in Jacksonville an NFL QB.

rmartin65
06-11-2012, 01:25 PM
Fullback

Currently on the roster- James Casey, Jason Ford, Derrell Smith
Roster Outlook- Casey is a lock. Ford or Smith might make the squad, but I am not banking on it.
2013 Outlook- I have been advocating acquiring a true blocking FB since Leach left. Probably wont happen, but here are 5 blocking FBs to keep an eye on.

1) Zac Boren, OSU, 6’ 250 lbs
2) Kiero Small, Arkansas, 5’10” 255 lbs
3) Taimi Tutogi, Arizona, 6’1” 250 lbs
4) Braden Wilson, Kansas State, 6’3” 255 lbs
5) Tommy Bohanon, Wake Forest, 6’2” 245 lbs

TightEnd

Currently on the roster- Owen Daniels, Garrett Graham, Logan Brock, Phillip Supernaw
Roster Outlook- 3 make it. Daniels, Graham, and one of the UDFAs, but I don’t know which one.
2013 Outlook- I am really surprised the Texans did not grab a TE this past draft. OD is a huge injury risk, GG has proven nothing and the other 2 are UDFAs. I expect the Texans to draft a TE pretty high in the draft, rounds 1-3.

An average of 15 TEs have been drafted per year the last 5 years. Here are my top 15.
* denotes the player is an underclassman.

1) *CJ Fiedorowicz, Iowa, 6’6” 265 lbs
2) Joseph Fauria, UCLA, 6’7” 250 lbs
3) Philip Lutzenkurchen, 6’4” 250 lbs
4) *Tyler Eifert, Notre Dame, 6’5” 250 lbs
5) *Levine Toilolo, Stanford, 6’7” 265 lbs
6) Ben Cotton, Nebraska, 6’6” 255 lbs
7) *Dion Sims, Michigan State, 6’5” 275 lbs
8) *Jordan Reed, Florida, 6’3” 240 lbs
9) Ryan Griffin, Connecticut, 6’5” 250 lbs
10) Chris Pantale, Boston College, 6’6” 250 lbs
11) Jake Stoneburner, OSU, 6’5” 245 lbs
12) Colter Phillips, Virginia, 6’6” 245 lbs
13) Kyler Reed, Nebraska, 6’3” 230 lbs
14) Spencer Ladner, Cal, 6’6” 260 lbs
15) Jack Doyle, Western Kentucky, 6’5” 250 lbs

Wolf6151
06-13-2012, 02:39 AM
Fullback

Currently on the roster- James Casey, Jason Ford, Derrell Smith
Roster Outlook- Casey is a lock. Ford or Smith might make the squad, but I am not banking on it.
2013 Outlook- I have been advocating acquiring a true blocking FB since Leach left. Probably wont happen, but here are 5 blocking FBs to keep an eye on.

1) Zac Boren, OSU, 6’ 250 lbs
2) Kiero Small, Arkansas, 5’10” 255 lbs
3) Taimi Tutogi, Arizona, 6’1” 250 lbs
4) Braden Wilson, Kansas State, 6’3” 255 lbs
5) Tommy Bohanon, Wake Forest, 6’2” 245 lbs

TightEnd

Currently on the roster- Owen Daniels, Garrett Graham, Logan Brock, Phillip Supernaw
Roster Outlook- 3 make it. Daniels, Graham, and one of the UDFAs, but I don’t know which one.
2013 Outlook- I am really surprised the Texans did not grab a TE this past draft. OD is a huge injury risk, GG has proven nothing and the other 2 are UDFAs. I expect the Texans to draft a TE pretty high in the draft, rounds 1-3.

An average of 15 TEs have been drafted per year the last 5 years. Here are my top 15.
* denotes the player is an underclassman.

1) *CJ Fiedorowicz, Iowa, 6’6” 265 lbs
2) Joseph Fauria, UCLA, 6’7” 250 lbs
3) Philip Lutzenkurchen, 6’4” 250 lbs
4) *Tyler Eifert, Notre Dame, 6’5” 250 lbs
5) *Levine Toilolo, Stanford, 6’7” 265 lbs
6) Ben Cotton, Nebraska, 6’6” 255 lbs
7) *Dion Sims, Michigan State, 6’5” 275 lbs
8) *Jordan Reed, Florida, 6’3” 240 lbs
9) Ryan Griffin, Connecticut, 6’5” 250 lbs
10) Chris Pantale, Boston College, 6’6” 250 lbs
11) Jake Stoneburner, OSU, 6’5” 245 lbs
12) Colter Phillips, Virginia, 6’6” 245 lbs
13) Kyler Reed, Nebraska, 6’3” 230 lbs
14) Spencer Ladner, Cal, 6’6” 260 lbs
15) Jack Doyle, Western Kentucky, 6’5” 250 lbs


I like your list of FB's and TE's, I can see where a FB might be a 6th or 7th round option in 2013 and can see a TE possibly being taken in the 2nd-4th rounds though I'm not impressed with the 2013 class of TE's. Taking a real FB would move Casey back to TE, and taking a real TE would possibly move Casey off the roster unless we cut OD as well then Casey would probably stay as TE#3.

badboy
06-13-2012, 10:45 AM
I like your list of FB's and TE's, I can see where a FB might be a 6th or 7th round option in 2013 and can see a TE possibly being taken in the 2nd-4th rounds though I'm not impressed with the 2013 class of TE's. Taking a real FB would move Casey back to TE, and taking a real TE would possibly move Casey off the roster unless we cut OD as well then Casey would probably stay as TE#3.I also think Casey should be moved to TE. He needs to concetrate on one position and become very good at it. We should be able to get a cheap FB like Moran Norris who is in camp now.

beerlover
06-20-2012, 10:18 AM
Right now, on my short list would be Kawann Short. http://www.annarbor.com/assets_c/2011/10/Purdue_Ill_KawannShort-thumb-590x429-92492.jpg How is that for early BB & 65?


Just someone to keep an eye on in 2012-13 season. Will be fun to watch Texan interior rotation develop, see if Earl can hold up with added size.:evil:
Prospect: Kawann Short, DL, Purdue
Height: 6’3″
Weight: 310
Grade: 6.4 (Grading Scale)



Scouting Report:

Athleticism:
+Solid size and bulk, will be interesting to see if 6’3″ is actual height
+Shows good initial quickness off the snap, great first step
+Very strong, especially through his lower body
-Average motor at best, although is reportedly in better shape this spring
-Doesn’t play well in space

Intelligence:
+Plays a variety of positions (NT, DT, DE)
-Doesn’t seem to recognize plays quickly
-Has trouble locating the ball at times

Leadership:
+Two year team captain
+Leader in the weight room

Pass Rush:
+Adept at tracking down scrambling quarterbacks
+Shows some arm-over, rip, hesitation and spin moves
+Bull rush effective when pad level is down
-Too often content to be blocked when initially stopped
-Needs to develop some counters and a more consistent second effort
-Speed rush on the outside is ineffective

Run Stuffing:
+Can use his strength to shed blockers
+Quick enough to shoot gaps and disrupt plays in the backfield
-Inconsistent anchor against double teams, plays on skates at times
-Too often gets locked onto by offensive linemen
-Gets angled out of the play, especially when playing DE

Technique:
+Flashes good hand usage and placement, but needs to be more consistent
-Pad level is inconsistent, needs to stay lower
-Fails to get arms up to influence passing lames when stopped

Overview:
Short has obvious talent. What he’ll make of it at the next level remains to be seen. If he can keep his effort level up from play to play and through the whistle, he can be an absolute menace against the run and the pass. If he is in better shape as a senior, Short could shore up a first round grade with a dominant season – especially with the lack of help around him.

badboy
06-20-2012, 02:50 PM
Short is an interesting bulldog. Would like to see him get bit more into the game but as a Nose for Texans, he should do well. I'm still hopeful Fangupo will work.

Quick II Draw
06-21-2012, 02:32 PM
Always need more pass rushers, right?

If you haven't heard of him, look up SMU defensive end Margus Hunt. The guy is an athletic freak of Julius Peppers caliber.

He is a 6'8" shotputter (or was it discus?) who only came to Dallas from Estonia to work with a local track guru. He took up football as a scholarship opportunity. He is ridiculously raw and knows little about the game but blocked a ridiculous number of kicks and flashed utter domination at pass rushing.

May be a bit much to convert him to a 3-4 olb but he is such a freak it may be worth it if he can be had in later rounds. Unfortunately, that won't happen bc his combine numbers will be absurd. At his rate of progression he might be a top 5 de come draft day and won't fall.

rmartin65
06-21-2012, 02:34 PM
Always need more pass rushers, right?

If you haven't heard of him, look up SMU defensive end Margus Hunt. The guy is an athletic freak of Julius Peppers caliber.

He is a 6'8" shotputter (or was it discus?) who only came to Dallas from Estonia to work with a local track guru. He took up football as a scholarship opportunity. He is ridiculously raw and knows little about the game but blocked a ridiculous number of kicks and flashed utter domination at pass rushing.

May be a bit much to convert him to a 3-4 olb but he is such a freak it may be worth it if he can be had in later rounds. Unfortunately, that won't happen bc his combine numbers will be absurd. At his rate of progression he might be a top 5 de come draft day and won't fall.

No way man, the dude is a 3-4 DE all the way. But a beast one at that. Even though we have Watt and Crick, I would sell a kidney to get him.

Quick II Draw
06-21-2012, 02:42 PM
Errr, looks like hunt is already on the radar as a first rounder...

Margus Hunt, DE, SMU: It has been over a quarter century since the last time a SMU Mustang was selected in the first round (1986), but in the Estonian-born Hunt, Southern Methodist may have the unique talent needed to warrant such a lofty selection. A two-time gold medal winner in the 2006 World Junior Championships (discus, shot put), Hunt was deservedly listed as the No. 1 "Freak" athlete of 2012 in Bruce Feldman's article as his combination of size (6-7, 288), strength (35 reps of 225 pounds), speed (4.70) and explosiveness (36-inch vertical jump) add up to off-the-charts measurables. In just three seasons of college football, Hunt has an astounding 14 blocked kicks. - Rob Rang, NFLDraftScout.com

rmartin65
06-21-2012, 02:43 PM
Errr, looks like hunt is already on the radar as a first rounder...

As he should be. The "no way" was in response to him being an OLB. He is arguably a top 10 pick at DE.

badboy
06-21-2012, 04:22 PM
If LeStar Jean becomes the WR we wish him to be, I could see trading up into mid first for
Hunt, if available.

76Texan
07-14-2012, 04:56 AM
Let's start a list of players to watch in 2013. Make a list of players by position that you think will be great or that you think are currently underrated and by position as you think they will apply to Texans needs.
Example, I think WR will be a big need again regardless of what we did in this years draft and I think it will be a 1st or 2nd round pick. The guys I like at WR are:
WR:
Justin Hunter, DaRick Rogers, Cobi Hamilton, Marquess Wilson, and Ryan Swope, Terrance Williams but they both might have QB issues this year.


Let's see some of the guys you'll be keeping an eye on.

I think Baylor has more than just Terrance Williams; the other two guys look pretty good, too. (Lanear Thompson and Tevin Reese - Reese is an underclassman and may stay in school unless he has a monster year.)

Mark your calendar for Elon's Aaron Mellette.
They have only 2 games on TV (UNC - ACC Network and another game on ESPN3). This guy looks pretty good on the videos I've found so far.
His production is outstanding. Will probably go in the first 3 rounds, maybe on day 1.

Clemson's Sam Watkins might come out early. Remember his name.

Watch W. Virginia for the QB Geno Smith, but also for their 2 WRs Bailey and Austin; they are small but they are both playmakers.
It will be interesting to see how they do in the Big 12 this year.

There are a few more that I want to keep an eye on but I don't have enough info on them yet.

76Texan
07-14-2012, 11:58 PM
Maybe it will be better if we seperate these prospects by position and have a different thread for each (position)?

At any rate, since I was watching QBs and WRs, I'd like to post a few more observations:

When you watch USC next year for Barkley, the QB, you will have to watch his receivers.
Robert Woods will be a Jr, and he might come out early as a good route runner and an overall guy who gets the job done.

But you will also have to look at Marqise Lee, who will be a Sophomore.
This guy alreay made a lot of big plays as a Freshman. If he continues his growth, there's a good chance that he'll declare.

Depending on how some of the younger guys perform, the next receiver draft might rival this last one in term of depth or in term of relative quality.

76Texan
07-15-2012, 09:51 AM
Then there's Keenan Allen (California) who appeared to be better than Marvin Jones (Bengals 5th round pick).

And the other guy besides Nick Toon whom Wilson threw the ball to:
Jared Abbrederis. He actually had a better ypc than Toon.

76Texan
07-15-2012, 03:54 PM
Besides Watkins (Clemson) I think Dorial Green-Beckham will also become a monster.

He's a Freshman at Mizzou.
Their QB, Frankiln - who is a dual threat QB - injured his shoulder and missed a lot of off-season work.
That, and playing in the SEC, may not help showcasing DGB's talent.

Watch some of his highlights here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92iWBH62N6o&feature=related

This guy has it all and can do it all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tynxBw4dhFo&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=832sqYDHf-I&feature=related