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rmartin65
06-02-2012, 11:07 AM
If it helps, think of it as less of a mock, and more of just 7 players to watch.

Round 1- Iowa TE CJ Fiedorowicz, 6’7” 265 lbs
Big Ten? Check. Position of need? We will see, but I think TE will be. Fiedorowicz is a TE in the mold of Gronkowski- too fast for LBs, too big for DBs. Now, this is a risky pick, but picking late in the draft (32!) is where you swing for the fences. He saw little playing time last year, only starting 5 out of 13 games, and catching 16 balls for 167 yards and 3 TDs. However, the skill is there, and he was starting to show it by the end of the year. And you know he will be well coached in the blocking game, coming from Iowa. In short, I see a potential All-Pro here, whose lack of stats last year is what is holding him down in the rankings. I would not be surprised if come the 2013 draft, Fiedorowicz is seen as a top 20 pick, but for now, I feel good projecting him here.

http://i.usatoday.net/sports/gallery/2011/College%20football/2011-season/BowlSeason/1230-soonerspg-vertical.jpg

Round 2- Texas A&M Ryan Swope, 6’ 205 lbs
I am still looking for receivers, despite the positive reports on our young guys (Posey/Martin/Jean/Hilliday) that are coming out of OTAs. Swope does not look like your prototypical WR, but he sure produces like one. Swope has sneaky speed, sticky hands, and is damn hard to tackle. I don’t know if he is a potential number 1, but he could be. He drops because he wont have sexy combine numbers, and because I expect to see his stats fall this year due to a new QB and a new conference (SEC).

http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/98/981012.jpg


Round 3- Kansas OT Tanner Hawkinson, 6’5” 295 lbs
Hawkinson is a converted TE, similar to Duane Brown and recent draft pick and project Nick Mondek. Hawkison has great feet and above average strength which should only increase with more time at the position and in the weight room. I think the potential is sky-high here, and it would be wise to draft him with the uncertainty of Brown’s contract. Having young players like Newton, Mondek and Hawkinson will keep the tackles hungry, aggressive, and fresh.



Round 4- UCLA ILB Patrick Larimore, 6'3" 250 lbs
Tough-nosed, old-school ILB. Not bad in pass coverage, but better working along the LOS. Very sure tackler.

http://www.trbimg.com/img-4fa0c211/turbine/la-sp-0502-ucla-football-20120502-001/600


Round 5- Oklahoma FS/SS/CB Javon Harris, 5’11” 207
Maybe a little bit of a homer pick, but Harris is a versatile player that can, well, play. A jack of all trades, but a master of none, Harris can tackle, cover and make plays on the ball. Having a player like Harris who can play multiple positions will help the Texans with the roster.

Round 6- Minnesota QB/WR MarQueis Gray, 6’4” 240 lbs
Raw talent, came to Minnesota as a QB, moved to WR because of one of Adam Weber (one of the best QBs in Minn history), moved back to QB last year. Insane athlete, good arm strength, needs to work on accuracy and reads. However, can be an interesting player as a WR/Wildcat QB while he is being groomed as a traditional QB.

http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/1390thefan.com/files/2011/09/Marquis-Gray1.jpg

Round 7- Kansas OLB Toben Opurum, 6’1” 245 lbs
This late in the draft, there are two theories on drafting- people with vast amounts of physical talent who are raw and need to be coached up, or players with questionable talent but have produced on the field. I am going for the first option. Opurum began his college career as a runningback, where he led the team in rushing as a freshman (133/554/9TD). The next year he was switched to linebacker, and then defensive end, where he struggled initially, but finished strong. Last year he looked a lot more comfortable on D and finished with 45 tackles (10.5 behind the LOS) and 4 sacks. Opurum is an elite athlete with a very high ceiling, and can play special teams.

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/kan/sports/m-footbl/auto_action/5874865.jpeg

TimeKiller
06-02-2012, 11:49 AM
How/Why would anyone argue? lol...

I'll keep an eye out for 'em!

rmartin65
06-02-2012, 11:51 AM
How/Why would anyone argue? lol...

I'll keep an eye out for 'em!

That is the best part of early mocks! Nobody can argue!

But in all seriousness, just trying to get names out there, maybe a little discussion going. I would be interested in seeing what guys you are focusing on (either in mock format or not).

Wolf6151
06-02-2012, 06:17 PM
I've been using Walterfootball and CBSsports for lists of next year draftee's and don't see Fiedorowicz on either list. I think there's a decent chance this could be OD's last year with the Texans and agree that TE could be an early need, but I'm just not liking the 2013 list of TE's that much. Glad to see there's other quality guys out there other than what's on the early lists. I like Hawkinson and Larimore as well. Hawkinson is currently listed as a 5-6 round pick, but I agree he could easily go earlier with a good season. I see him as our new swing OT. Larimore could easily fill that other ILB spot that rotates out of the game often and has good size for the position. I like Nico Johnson and Bruce Taylor for ILB as well. I agree that WR will be an early need as well, but think that Swopes will fall a little further because like you say he's not the prototypical/stereotypical WR. It is good to see players that others are looking at and get some names out there to keep an eye on.

rmartin65
06-02-2012, 06:42 PM
I've been using Walterfootball and CBSsports for lists of next year draftee's and don't see Fiedorowicz on either list. I think there's a decent chance this could be OD's last year with the Texans and agree that TE could be an early need, but I'm just not liking the 2013 list of TE's that much. Glad to see there's other quality guys out there other than what's on the early lists. I like Hawkinson and Larimore as well. Hawkinson is currently listed as a 5-6 round pick, but I agree he could easily go earlier with a good season. I see him as our new swing OT. Larimore could easily fill that other ILB spot that rotates out of the game often and has good size for the position. I like Nico Johnson and Bruce Taylor for ILB as well. I agree that WR will be an early need as well, but think that Swopes will fall a little further because like you say he's not the prototypical/stereotypical WR. It is good to see players that others are looking at and get some names out there to keep an eye on.

Fiedo is a rising Junior, so Walter may have missed him and you have to switch the lists on CBS. I am not wild about the potential TEs either, outside of Fiedo, but that is why I grabbed him.

I would be really surprised if Hawkinson goes that late. I mean, I know it is (very) early, but tackles with his kind of athleticism get picked higher than what their at-the-moment ability warrants.

I am not wild about Nico Johnson, but I really like Taylor, and came really close to grabbing him instead of Larimore. Came down to a gut call, but I will be watching both very closely.

Thanks for the response!

badboy
06-02-2012, 07:14 PM
I like a TE but think we missed on our chance last season. I think our needs will not allow a TE that high. IMO, we will be looking for another OLB & WR.

rmartin65
06-02-2012, 07:28 PM
I like a TE but think we missed on our chance last season. I think our needs will not allow a TE that high. IMO, we will be looking for another OLB & WR.

Another OLB? I dont think so, not in round one. Barwin, Reed, Mercilus, and Braman are a very formidable quartet of pass rushers. Even if Barwin leaves in FA, we are still left with 3. Not a terrible need, and like I said, I do expect us to be selecting pass rushers just about every year. If Barwin does leave, I expect a second or third rounder to be spent. If not, then I maintain that it will be a late guy.

As for WR, I worry about where we are picking. All these considered equal, I would of course take the receiver. However, I do not want to reach for a player just because I deem that position more valuable. The wide receivers that I have graded higher than Fiedo I have going before we pick.

Any thoughts on the other guys?

badboy
06-02-2012, 08:45 PM
Another OLB? I dont think so, not in round one. Barwin, Reed, Mercilus, and Braman are a very formidable quartet of pass rushers. Even if Barwin leaves in FA, we are still left with 3. Not a terrible need, and like I said, I do expect us to be selecting pass rushers just about every year. If Barwin does leave, I expect a second or third rounder to be spent. If not, then I maintain that it will be a late guy.

As for WR, I worry about where we are picking. All these considered equal, I would of course take the receiver. However, I do not want to reach for a player just because I deem that position more valuable. The wide receivers that I have graded higher than Fiedo I have going before we pick.

Any thoughts on the other guys?Wait..you've forgotten the last draft just a few weeks ago? We had Barwin, Reed and Braman then and who was the #26 pick? You don't think if Barwin has a high sack year (and we all pray & expect him to)that he will not get huge offers? If Cushing gets re-signed this season a lot of money that was freed up goes to him. True, we know more now how the 3 will perform in Wade's sytem but not much has changed as far asn rotation, especially if Barwin goes.

Now if Braman has a very good year, I could see OLB moving down the list.

Wolf6151
06-02-2012, 08:51 PM
@Rmartin65, I found Fiedo on the 2014 list of TE's thanks.

* As for OLB as a need, I think Barwin is re-signed and stays, I don't think OLB will be a need in the 2013 draft.
* As for Hawkinson, both Walter and CBS have him listed as a 5-6 round pick but I agree this is way undervalued. Another guy to look at is Xavier Nixon-OT from Florida but he also could go higher than presently projected and out of reach where we'll most likely be looking for a swing OT.
* As for WR, I think Kubiak tried to get cute and just fill a niche at slot/#3 WR with the Posey pick instead of taking one of the better WR's that were available as a potential #2 thus improving the overall quality of the WR corp. I like DaRick Rogers, Justin Hunter, Cobi Hamilton, Marquess Wilson, and possibly Ryan Swope or Terrance Williams but they will both have QB issues this year.
* Other ILB candidates to look at are Kevin Reddick, James Morris, and Andrew Jackson along with the previously mentioned Nico Johnson, Bruce Taylor, and Patrick Larimore.

rmartin65
06-02-2012, 09:09 PM
Wait..you've forgotten the last draft just a few weeks ago? We had Barwin, Reed and Braman then and who was the #26 pick? You don't think if Barwin has a high sack year (and we all pray & expect him to)that he will not get huge offers? If Cushing gets re-signed this season a lot of money that was freed up goes to him. True, we know more now how the 3 will perform in Wade's sytem but not much has changed as far asn rotation, especially if Barwin goes.

Now if Braman has a very good year, I could see OLB moving down the list.

Haha, nope, it is not forgotten. But I just dont/cant see us taking yet another OB high, especially with other positions (WR, TE, and maybe CB and QB) needing looks. I think Barwin stays. He does not seem like a "chase the money" type guy, I think he will get a sizable raise, but not cap-crippling. We will have all year to negotiate, hopefully other teams never get the chance to offer him deals.

@Rmartin65, I found Fiedo on the 2014 list of TE's thanks.

* As for OLB as a need, I think Barwin is re-signed and stays, I don't think OLB will be a need in the 2013 draft.
* As for Hawkinson, both Walter and CBS have him listed as a 5-6 round pick but I agree this is way undervalued. Another guy to look at is Xavier Nixon-OT from Florida but he also could go higher than presently projected and out of reach where we'll most likely be looking for a swing OT.
* As for WR, I think Kubiak tried to get cute and just fill a niche at slot/#3 WR with the Posey pick instead of taking one of the better WR's that were available as a potential #2 thus improving the overall quality of the WR corp. I like DaRick Rogers, Justin Hunter, Cobi Hamilton, Marquess Wilson, and possibly Ryan Swope or Terrance Williams but they will both have QB issues this year.
* Other ILB candidates to look at are Kevin Reddick, James Morris, and Andrew Jackson along with the previously mentioned Nico Johnson, Bruce Taylor, and Patrick Larimore.

Agree on Barwin, what do you think of Opurum in the 7th? I really love his potential... I may have my 2013 late round man-crush already.

I will keep an eye on Nixon, thanks for the heads up.

Agreed on your take on receivers... I am still not wild about the Posey pick, but it is what it is. The guy I really wanted (Marvin Jones) dropped all the way to the 6th, so there must have been something the pro guys did not like. Of the guys you listed for 2013, I like the two Tennessee receivers, Swope and Wilson. Williams just does not impress me, and I have not seen enough of Hamilton.

Reddick has alot of hype, but never stood out to me when watching UNC. He has talent, but he just does not dominate, maybe it will come together this year. Love Morris' skills, but I worry a lot about his size. Looks like a SS out there, needs to pack on at least 15. I have not seen Jackson play, but I know BB likes the guy. Looks like a real thumper on paper.

beerlover
06-02-2012, 09:59 PM
Looks pretty killer to me 65. Really like Larimore, actually more than Mychal Kendricks drafted 2nd rd. you also liked. I've been watching Patrick a couple years now & he has a bright future especially @ ILB for Wade Phillips 3-4. Ideal size/weight/height measureables, good instincts, natural. Feel strongly he would fit like I do about Crick here with this group of players & coaches. By the time Bradie is ready to step aside, you have a new, young starting ILB.

Well done & good day sir :wesmantexanfan:

steelbtexan
06-03-2012, 12:21 AM
I like a TE but think we missed on our chance last season. I think our needs will not allow a TE that high. IMO, we will be looking for another OLB & WR.

They will let A.Smith/KJ/Tate go in some combination to get the $$$$ to pay Barwin. You dont let LB's like Cush/Barwin go. The LB's are the key to any 3-4 defense, particularly Wades.

rmartin65
06-03-2012, 07:51 AM
Looks pretty killer to me 65. Really like Larimore, actually more than Mychal Kendricks drafted 2nd rd. you also liked. I've been watching Patrick a couple years now & he has a bright future especially @ ILB for Wade Phillips 3-4. Ideal size/weight/height measureables, good instincts, natural. Feel strongly he would fit like I do about Crick here with this group of players & coaches. By the time Bradie is ready to step aside, you have a new, young starting ILB.

Well done & good day sir :wesmantexanfan:

Yep, he looks like an old-school ILB. Still waiting on a list of players from you BL :fingergun:

steelbtexan
06-03-2012, 09:45 AM
I've got a feeling Loiseau is James heir apparent at the ILB in a couple of yrs.

Loiseau, Fangupo and Ford all have above avg chances of making the 53 man roster.

rmartin65
06-03-2012, 09:54 AM
I've got a feeling Loiseau is James heir apparent at the ILB in a couple of yrs.

Loiseau, Fangupo and Ford all have above avg chances of making the 53 man roster.

Maybe. I like Loiseau, but competition never hurts.

As for Fangupo, he has to stay healthy.

badboy
06-03-2012, 02:17 PM
They will let A.Smith/KJ/Tate go in some combination to get the $$$$ to pay Barwin. You dont let LB's like Cush/Barwin go. The LB's are the key to any 3-4 defense, particularly Wades.

We have no evidence that anyone will beat out KJ (I'm hoping Carmichael will) so why would they let him go? I rate Cushing way over Barwin. Wade has been very successful historically with OLB & if Barwin leaves, Mercilus should fill in nicely. If that happens, we still need another OLB. Why pay Barwin if next man up does so well? I thought we wanted to get to the point we can let high dollars vets go & replace them with younger players who are then replaced with draftees?

steelbtexan
06-03-2012, 03:16 PM
We have no evidence that anyone will beat out KJ (I'm hoping Carmichael will) so why would they let him go? I rate Cushing way over Barwin. Wade has been very successful historically with OLB & if Barwin leaves, Mercilus should fill in nicely. If that happens, we still need another OLB. Why pay Barwin if next man up does so well? I thought we wanted to get to the point we can let high dollars vets go & replace them with younger players who are then replaced with draftees?

While I agree with you on both points. If KJ stinks against much better QB's, no amount of 76's screenshots are going to save him.

I gree with you also about letting the high $$$$ vets go. But the 3-4 needs 5-6 quality LB's. Think about the NYG's Taylor/Carson/Reasons/Banks the best LB corps other than the 70's Steelers. Speaking of the Steelers they keep their LB's core together until they get to old and usually train the young guys so that they are ready when the old guys start losing it. I see the Texans doing this with Mercilus. You dont let young double digit sack guys like Barwin walk. Especially when you can make cap room for them by cutting guys that are replaceable like A.Smith/KJ/W.Smith. Whose replacements have already been drafted.

Communication between the LB's is critical in 3-4. Barwin/Cushing/Watt are going to be the leaders, tone setters of an intense young defense for yrs to come in the front 7. With JoJo and Manning leading the back end. The Texans finally have speed at all positions on defense. (Speed kills)

YoungTexanFan
06-04-2012, 11:37 AM
I don't know how I could ever be upset with two KU guys being drafted.

Hawk will go higher than 5-6. He was a Freshman All-American and has done nothing but continue that pace. He did play some RT under our last inept coach, though he has been starting in the Big XII since his Freshman year. Excellent feet. He'll get more notice and more credit with a competent QB this year. The difference between Jordan Webb (starter the last two seasons) and Dayne Crist is laughable. As in, all you can do is laugh at the talent gap because words just come up short describing how big it really is. Also on that note, Crist is a name to keep an eye on. He has every physical tool you could want in an elite QB and has great make-up as a human being, it's just his knees that are a potential question. He used to be a first-round lock type of QB but now he's likely a 2-4 round type of guy, depending on his season. More talent than some current NFL QB's. Yeah, he's that good, which will only make Hawkinson's stock jump as well.

Toben...I'm not quite as sold on honestly. The last year or two he has been one of our only players on defense, but that isn't saying much at all. He has made a lot of plays based on his athleticism alone. Another way to put it is that he didn't know enough to do anything wrong. Our coaches just told him to get the QB. This is a guy who had offers to ND, Florida, tOSU, etc so his athleticism isn't really a question. His development this year will be a big thing for his draft stock. Can he read the play and influence the game in other ways? He's the guy on our defense with a target on his back. Other coaches know he's one of only a handful of guys who you need to account for on our defense, so how does he respond to that additional scheming? With that said, he's got an explosive first step. As a RB, he was a very N/S runner and not a dancer. He gets moving forward very fast and gets up to speed very quickly. He's learning moves but right now his athletic ability is enough to beat the Big XII OTs. That does bode well for him as a late round "raw" prospect. I think his ceiling is about the late 4th to 5th round. So somewhere in the 5-7 range like you have listed is realistic.

I've stopped following the draft process as in-depth as I much as I used to for this board, but that doesn't mean I'm not still keeping tabs. It's also pretty easy for me to keep tabs on KU guys since I see them live every weekend. If you have questions about KU guys, or guys in this area, I can likely give a more accurate review than some obscure paragraph written 18 months ago. Sidenote: if you mention Mizzou, you go on the blocked list.

Dutchrudder
06-04-2012, 01:26 PM
I like Ryan Swope in college, but I don't know if he has the speed to warrant a 2nd round pick in the NFL. I'm not sure what his 40 time is like, but his game speed seems kind of slow to me.

I think he would be best suited as a slot receiver in the NFL. A lot of his yards come from misdirection or motion plays off the line, and I can't ever recall seeing him get over the top and beat both the CB and a safety to go deep. I think his value will be in his ability to make cuts to create space and his willingness to go over the middle. He has taken quite a few big hits from defenders, but always gets up and keeps moving.

rmartin65
06-04-2012, 01:39 PM
I don't know how I could ever be upset with two KU guys being drafted.

Hawk will go higher than 5-6. He was a Freshman All-American and has done nothing but continue that pace. He did play some RT under our last inept coach, though he has been starting in the Big XII since his Freshman year. Excellent feet. He'll get more notice and more credit with a competent QB this year. The difference between Jordan Webb (starter the last two seasons) and Dayne Crist is laughable. As in, all you can do is laugh at the talent gap because words just come up short describing how big it really is. Also on that note, Crist is a name to keep an eye on. He has every physical tool you could want in an elite QB and has great make-up as a human being, it's just his knees that are a potential question. He used to be a first-round lock type of QB but now he's likely a 2-4 round type of guy, depending on his season. More talent than some current NFL QB's. Yeah, he's that good, which will only make Hawkinson's stock jump as well.

Toben...I'm not quite as sold on honestly. The last year or two he has been one of our only players on defense, but that isn't saying much at all. He has made a lot of plays based on his athleticism alone. Another way to put it is that he didn't know enough to do anything wrong. Our coaches just told him to get the QB. This is a guy who had offers to ND, Florida, tOSU, etc so his athleticism isn't really a question. His development this year will be a big thing for his draft stock. Can he read the play and influence the game in other ways? He's the guy on our defense with a target on his back. Other coaches know he's one of only a handful of guys who you need to account for on our defense, so how does he respond to that additional scheming? With that said, he's got an explosive first step. As a RB, he was a very N/S runner and not a dancer. He gets moving forward very fast and gets up to speed very quickly. He's learning moves but right now his athletic ability is enough to beat the Big XII OTs. That does bode well for him as a late round "raw" prospect. I think his ceiling is about the late 4th to 5th round. So somewhere in the 5-7 range like you have listed is realistic.

I've stopped following the draft process as in-depth as I much as I used to for this board, but that doesn't mean I'm not still keeping tabs. It's also pretty easy for me to keep tabs on KU guys since I see them live every weekend. If you have questions about KU guys, or guys in this area, I can likely give a more accurate review than some obscure paragraph written 18 months ago. Sidenote: if you mention Mizzou, you go on the blocked list.

I was hoping you would poke your head in.

I really like Hawkinson in the 3rd. This is an upside type pick. I will keep an eye on Crist, but I am not looking for a QB before the 4th or 5th round. Schaub should get re-signed if healthy, and Yates is a serviceable backup with the ability to start.

I really thought Opurum had potential as a RB. However, I think that moving to OLB was the right move. I really like the explosion he displays (like you mentioned), and the fact that he is raw interests me. Let Wade and Co. mold him into the OLB they want for the D.

I like Ryan Swope in college, but I don't know if he has the speed to warrant a 2nd round pick in the NFL. I'm not sure what his 40 time is like, but his game speed seems kind of slow to me.

I think he would be best suited as a slot receiver in the NFL. A lot of his yards come from misdirection or motion plays off the line, and I can't ever recall seeing him get over the top and beat both the CB and a safety to go deep. I think his value will be in his ability to make cuts to create space and his willingness to go over the middle. He has taken quite a few big hits from defenders, but always gets up and keeps moving.

I thin Swope can be a TJ Whosyourmama kind of player. Great hands, blocks well, and just produces. I admit that he probably wont become a number 1 receiver, but like I mentioned, I think the number 1 receivers go well before we pick. I do think his speed is understated though. He is deceptively fast in my opinion.

Thanks for the opinions guys.

badboy
06-04-2012, 02:40 PM
While I agree with you on both points. If KJ stinks against much better QB's, no amount of 76's screenshots are going to save him.

I gree with you also about letting the high $$$$ vets go. But the 3-4 needs 5-6 quality LB's. Think about the NYG's Taylor/Carson/Reasons/Banks the best LB corps other than the 70's Steelers. Speaking of the Steelers they keep their LB's core together until they get to old and usually train the young guys so that they are ready when the old guys start losing it. I see the Texans doing this with Mercilus. You dont let young double digit sack guys like Barwin walk. Especially when you can make cap room for them by cutting guys that are replaceable like A.Smith/KJ/W.Smith. Whose replacements have already been drafted.

Communication between the LB's is critical in 3-4. Barwin/Cushing/Watt are going to be the leaders, tone setters of an intense young defense for yrs to come in the front 7. With JoJo and Manning leading the back end. The Texans finally have speed at all positions on defense. (Speed kills)I think new CBA is changing way teams have created rosters. Payroll getting into the NBA range.. we will see Texans only keeping players with reasonable contracts. You may find an AJ type who will get re-done but not more than a few on roster. I agree with your premise but posters need to start identifying money being saved (as you did) & being spent on what player.

For example, per rotoworld A. Smith gets $5.5m & Wade Smith $2m, KJ gets $700K= $8.2m to re-sign one of your starters. Which one? Schaub 2012 should get apprx $7.5m with all bonuses. If he has another 4,000 yard year, he should get $12-15m offered as UFA. That's another $5- 7million. So let's give him $ from cutting or trading for picks Smiths & KJ. He's locked in.. but wait, what happens in 2013 when CAP is still about $123m but his escalator kicks in? Uh oh.

Let's do the smart thing as others have suggested and re-sign Cush one year early & use the Ryans, Briesel and AJ's renegotiated savings.

We cut Shaun Cody because someone Fangupo, Mitchell, etc steps up. That's $2m.

Barwin's money comes from......? If he gets 14+ sacks and he should, he will be ducking offers like a hail storm. For a guy earning less than $600K won't an offer for $8million or more as an FA be hard to turn down?

Now comes the most VIP of them all.....Duane Brown. $2m 2012 & many thought he had pro bowl season. If he does it again and he should, I wonder what kind of deal his agent will want? A 27 YOA (August) pro bowl type LT? Think he could get $12-15m? No history of injury..hmm.

THis is why I'm hoping Schaub takes us to Super Bowl & leaves with Yates our starter 2013. Sign Brown and let Mercilus replace Barwin 2013. Sign Cush now if you can but be ready to replace him if he says no.

I am as hopeful as you but reality comes knocking on my door. If a poster says "so and so will sign" okay but address all these players not just the one you are supporting.

ps: OH, btw the 3-4 did very well last season with Barwin, Reed and Braman. 5-6 OLBs= luxury.
Enjoying the debate as always...

badboy
06-04-2012, 02:48 PM
I like Ryan Swope in college, but I don't know if he has the speed to warrant a 2nd round pick in the NFL. I'm not sure what his 40 time is like, but his game speed seems kind of slow to me.

I think he would be best suited as a slot receiver in the NFL. A lot of his yards come from misdirection or motion plays off the line, and I can't ever recall seeing him get over the top and beat both the CB and a safety to go deep. I think his value will be in his ability to make cuts to create space and his willingness to go over the middle. He has taken quite a few big hits from defenders, but always gets up and keeps moving.I am concerned with A&M's coaching after Jeff Fuller fell off. He had injuries but sao do other players who recover well. Defensive players also seemed to suffer. QB went high but he also seemed to regress last season for A&M

rmartin65
08-13-2012, 10:28 AM
UCLA ILB Patrick Larimore (my 4th round pick) just retired due to 2 concussions suffered in the past 6 weeks. Tough blow for the UCLA defense, and this young man, I wish him all the best in his future endeavors.

Wolf6151
08-13-2012, 12:27 PM
UCLA ILB Patrick Larimore (my 4th round pick) just retired due to 2 concussions suffered in the past 6 weeks. Tough blow for the UCLA defense, and this young man, I wish him all the best in his future endeavors.

Retired? As in permanently out of the game? That sucks, I had him in the 4th round of my latest mock as well. Best of luck to him in the future, where ever it may lead him.

rmartin65
08-28-2012, 09:10 AM
I feel a bit silly re-doing a mock since no college football has been played, but school has not picked up yet, and I am bored. Have at it.

Round 1- Iowa TE CJ Fiedorowicz, 6’7”, 265 lbs
I am not changing this. While Graham looks solid thus far in pre-season ball, he has still not proven anything in a real game. Furthermore, Fiedo brings a new element to the Texans’ TE corps- a truly effective blocker. OD and Graham are serviceable, but I think that Kubiak and Smith are still looking for that Bruener-type TE. Fiedo can block at that level, and be a pass catching threat to boot. I really think that this guy can turn out to be the next Gronk. Another TE to watch out for is Michigan State’s Dion Sims. A big player (6’6” 280), Sims displays incredible athleticism. However, he has had injury problems and at least one legal incident. Still, a heck of a talent who could rise up the boards.

Round 2- Wisconsin OT Ricky Wagner, 6’6” 320 lbs
Not to knee-jerk or anything, but the RT spot looks like it could stand some more talent. I am not saying that Wagner will immediately take the starting job, but he should be part of a great training camp battle. To fit in the Texans’ scheme he will need to drop some weight, but the talent is there.

Round 3- Wisconsin ILB Chris Borland, 5’11” 250 lbs
Staying in the Big 10, I am a huge fan of Borland. He is explosive, physical, and gets to the football. While he does lack ideal height/length, he is athletic enough and smart enough to overcome such a deficiency. He has struggled with injuries in the past, so if he gets injured again I see him returning to school. Another ILB to watch is Michigan State’s Max Bullough. Bullough is a better prospect than Borland, and, should he declare, could go in round 2. Definitely a player to keep an eye on.

Round 4- Duke QB Sean Renfree, 6’4” 225 lbs
Renfree has big time potential. He is prototypical size, has a prototypical arm, and is being tutored by the same guy who worked with the Manning’s. While definitely still a work in progress, Renfree has the potential to mature into a top-notch NFL QB. At the very least, Renfree should turn into a serviceable backup, which is a value chip to have.

Round 5- Colorado FS/SS Ray Polk, 6’ 205 lbs
Polk is an ex-runningback turned defensive back. Polk can really deliver some blows on the ballcarriers, but he needs to do a better job wrapping the guy up. Furthermore, his lack of experience on the defensive side of the ball shows- he does not play the ball very well in the air. So while he plays FS for Colorado, I think he plays SS in the NFL. He could become our replacement to Quin.

Round 6- Eastern Kentucky WR Tyrone Goard, 6’3” 195 lbs
Let me just say this- I am happy with the young potential we have at receiver. However, it is still unproven. Goard is a boom/bust type player who is well worth the risk here in the 6th. A large player who can box-out with the best of them, Goard is definitely a man amongst boys at EKU

Round 7- Kansas OLB Toben Opurum, 6’1” 250 lbs
I like Opurum’s potential as a pass rusher, so this pick remains.

Upon completion of this mock, the one thing that I am uncomfortable with is the lack of NT. I don’t want to spend a high pick on one, since Cody and Mitchell have performed admirably and Fangupo looks solid, but I still think a mid to late rounder is worth looking at. I just don’t have that guy on my radar yet.

badboy
08-28-2012, 01:04 PM
65 first three make me think I'm in heaven. I have Fiedo lower but not surprising if he climbs. Huge guy with good hands. I like my guy Dysert better only because I have not watched your QB. Keep me informed how he does. We also agree on nose and i hope to get some info this season on Mister Cobble. He arrived like a firecracker with little warning.

rmartin65
08-28-2012, 06:06 PM
65 first three make me think I'm in heaven. I have Fiedo lower but not surprising if he climbs. Huge guy with good hands. I like my guy Dysert better only because I have not watched your QB. Keep me informed how he does. We also agree on nose and i hope to get some info this season on Mister Cobble. He arrived like a firecracker with little warning.

Thanks!

Watch Duke if you get the chance, Renfree is an impressive looking prospect at QB. I know at least on another guy in the boards (steelb, I want to say) really likes Dysert, and I do think he is impressive. Renfree just has a higher upside IMO.

I dont know what to think of Cobble. He is very well put together, displays good athleticism, and shows up during games. However, he is getting no buzz outside of this board. I am wondering if there is something we amateurs are missing that the pros count as a huge negative.

badboy
08-29-2012, 03:17 PM
Thanks!

Watch Duke if you get the chance, Renfree is an impressive looking prospect at QB. I know at least on another guy in the boards (steelb, I want to say) really likes Dysert, and I do think he is impressive. Renfree just has a higher upside IMO.

I dont know what to think of Cobble. He is very well put together, displays good athleticism, and shows up during games. However, he is getting no buzz outside of this board. I am wondering if there is something we amateurs are missing that the pros count as a huge negative.

I think Cobble sort of burst on the horizon end of last season and no one has seen much of him. What little I've seen is exactly what I want in a Nose, powerful, good anchor with a drive in his legs. I want him pushing the line back and eliminating RB from getting past his cone of influence. Sacks would be gravy for de chicken.

Don't think Duke games are on ESPN but if you see him on give me a heads up to watch Renfree.

Wolf6151
08-29-2012, 04:45 PM
My assessment:

1. Fiedo, I really like the player but with the money we still owe OD, I doubt he's going anywhere. I just think we have higher priorities in the 1st round than backup TE.
2. Wagner, I love this pick. I'd run to the podium if he's still available. He'd lock down RT for years to come.
3. Borland, I don't know anything about him but like you I question his height.
4. Renfree, I don't know anything about him, I haven't studied the QB's because I just don't see a need at QB.
5. Polk, I don't know anything about this guy but he sounds like a Pollard clone, big hitter. What's he like in coverage? If he can't cover, why bother. The days of the Pollard style SS are pretty much over in this pass happy NFL.
6. Goard, again don't know anything about him, but I like the size and God know's we need added depth at WR. Can he run a route and get separation?
7. Opurum, don't know anything about the guy and question the need, we're pretty deep at OLB.

Why no interior O-line depth? When Brooks takes someones job next season we'll need some quality OG depth. S. Smith ain't cutting it.

rmartin65
08-29-2012, 07:46 PM
My assessment:

1. Fiedo, I really like the player but with the money we still owe OD, I doubt he's going anywhere. I just think we have higher priorities in the 1st round than backup TE.
2. Wagner, I love this pick. I'd run to the podium if he's still available. He'd lock down RT for years to come.
3. Borland, I don't know anything about him but like you I question his height.
4. Renfree, I don't know anything about him, I haven't studied the QB's because I just don't see a need at QB.
5. Polk, I don't know anything about this guy but he sounds like a Pollard clone, big hitter. What's he like in coverage? If he can't cover, why bother. The days of the Pollard style SS are pretty much over in this pass happy NFL.
6. Goard, again don't know anything about him, but I like the size and God know's we need added depth at WR. Can he run a route and get separation?
7. Opurum, don't know anything about the guy and question the need, we're pretty deep at OLB.

Why no interior O-line depth? When Brooks takes someones job next season we'll need some quality OG depth. S. Smith ain't cutting it.


1) How much money do we still own OD? Anyway, with how reasonable rookie deals are now, I am not too concerned. OD is on the wrong side of 30, and has a history of injuries dating back to his days at Wisconsin. If we can add depth, we should. Still, if there is a good prospect at a different position available that is NOT a reach, then I would be cool with that.

3) I am not too concerned with his height. It is just why he will drop a bit. Height is over-rated at certain positions, where size (IE muscle) is more important.

4) I think a guy to groom at QB is a good idea. Maybe the 4th is a bit early to start searching, but Schaub is getting older, Yates is still a question mark, and Keenum is definitely still an unknown.

5) Its not that Polk cant cover. He is a good DB, its just that playing the ball is not his forte. Yet. He is a project, but he has the tools. Also, he is a great character guy.

6) Goard is RAW. He does not run all the routes (from the limited bit I have seen), and will definitely need work in that area.

7) You cant have enough rushers at OLB in a 3-4. Barwin/Reed/Braman/Whitney is a good group, but I want to say most teams go into the season with 5 OLBs. I could be off base on that though. Linebackers are great late round value picks because they play special teams.

I did over-look OG. I think OC is set, but we could use another OG. When I do my 1/4 mock (I plan on doing mocks at 1/4 season, 1/2 season, 3/4 season, and after the season), that will probably be rectified.

Thanks for the response, it made me think through what I have here.

badboy
08-29-2012, 09:41 PM
My assessment:

1. Fiedo, I really like the player but with the money we still owe OD, I doubt he's going anywhere. I just think we have higher priorities in the 1st round than backup TE.
2. Wagner, I love this pick. I'd run to the podium if he's still available. He'd lock down RT for years to come.
3. Borland, I don't know anything about him but like you I question his height.
4. Renfree, I don't know anything about him, I haven't studied the QB's because I just don't see a need at QB.
5. Polk, I don't know anything about this guy but he sounds like a Pollard clone, big hitter. What's he like in coverage? If he can't cover, why bother. The days of the Pollard style SS are pretty much over in this pass happy NFL.
6. Goard, again don't know anything about him, but I like the size and God know's we need added depth at WR. Can he run a route and get separation?
7. Opurum, don't know anything about the guy and question the need, we're pretty deep at OLB.

Why no interior O-line depth? When Brooks takes someones job next season we'll need some quality OG depth. S. Smith ain't cutting it.

OD signed 4 year deal with $6m guaranteed. 2012= $3.5m base. $4m bonus spread over 4 years. After this season his guarantee is met and $750,000 for '13 and '14 (1.5m)would be counted against cap. So he could be cut before 2013 and count 1 1/2 m and his salary of $4m and then 4.5m could go to another player. IMO Schaub current base of $7m + OD's $4 should be about what Matt's looking for. A guarantee of two years ($22m) + a reasonable bonus say 10m (over say 5 years = $2m cap hit per season) puts $32m in his pocket in 2 years with ten upfront.

beerlover
08-30-2012, 12:05 PM
Fleener would have resolved this issue last year wouldn't it? compare the two for us please-

Personally, I think there is pretty good value in later rounds to fill TE position, but do understand the added value/dimension it brings which is why I had earmarked Alabama TE Michael Williams also 6-5 just more tackle heavy to address blocking concerns in 4th rd. I see my boy David Paulson a 7th rd. selection for the Pittsburgh Steelers, has shined in the pre-season. I think he is equal to Casey & will become one of Big Ben's safety outlets as well help in protection.

Can't go wrong with Wisconsin Badger, OL, you just can't. I would be all over this pick if Texan couldn't grab Jake Matthews in 1st.

Thank you for Borland, see if he sticks, heady player to replace Bradie in a year or two.

Have not followed Duke football so know little about Sean Renfree. However doubt with Keenum & Yates Kubiak would opt to develop another young arm this soon.

Texans have a solid group of safety prospects already fighting for roster spots. I think Quin will extend on the cheap, then you have Nolan who has developed into a well rounded safety (for depth purposes)with exciting playmaker in Demps & special teams phenom Shilo Keo. If they weren't so deep might see McMannis more @ FS but think he will probably end up back on the edge with his speed & length with McCain & Harris fighting it out as nickles.

Nothing against Goard or adding WR depth but I just don't trust the Kentucky program, given the talent level, to develop NFL ready players. I would like someone already polished from excellent coaching background like Ryan Broyles. I wonder if he goes IR? or Texans could make a trade for him otherwise if you grab the Duke QB might go with the Duke WR, Connor Vernon. Looks like a future Kevin Walter replacement type to me.

Taking a flyer on OLB late 7th seems like a wasted pick to me, maybe its the bitter taste in my mouth left from Mr. Irreverent Cheta Ozougwu? You know we could have selected Mark Herzlich & taken care of ILB need. So you just never know, but one thing for sure is there is a gaping hole in the middle of this defense without Cody who will be a free agent next year I believe? Which is why I went with Josh Boyd who I just love. Big man selected this late would be more of a long term proposition, which I don't think would be a wise choice to wait on Texans part.

As always a good, informative mock draft, partner :handshake:

beerlover
08-30-2012, 01:01 PM
I would also like to add that a truely great NT is above all else the hardest positional player to find. There is only one that comes to mind in the last ten years & that's Vince Wilfork. BJ Raji shows great promise but need's a couple more elite years to rack him.

Star Lotulelei is the top prospect in this years draft, best since Raji to fill a teams need @ nose tackle. 6-3 320 closer to Wilfork in style than ultra explosive Raji but many people feel could be a top 5 pick.

The best of the best just came out of High School & signed with the UCLA Bruins, Ellis McCarthy who is 6'4 5/8" listed 305 http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Ellis-McCarthy-119941

While not in these players elite status draft grade please check out Mississippi State, Josh Boyd, all 6-3 300lbs of him, he fits Wade Phillips nose tackle requirements (has explosive game of Raji) just needs continue to work & improve feet & hands. http://espn.go.com/photo/2010/0415/ncf_a_mcphee11_400.jpg

badboy
08-30-2012, 04:47 PM
I would also like to add that a truely great NT is above all else the hardest positional player to find. There is only one that comes to mind in the last ten years & that's Vince Wilfork. BJ Raji shows great promise but need's a couple more elite years to rack him.

Star Lotulelei is the top prospect in this years draft, best since Raji to fill a teams need @ nose tackle. 6-3 320 closer to Wilfork in style than ultra explosive Raji but many people feel could be a top 5 pick.

The best of the best just came out of High School & signed with the UCLA Bruins, Ellis McCarthy who is 6'4 5/8" listed 305 http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Ellis-McCarthy-119941

While not in these players elite status draft grade please check out Mississippi State, Josh Boyd, all 6-3 300lbs of him, he fits Wade Phillips nose tackle requirements (has explosive game of Raji) just needs continue to work & improve feet & hands. http://espn.go.com/photo/2010/0415/ncf_a_mcphee11_400.jpg

:handshake: Very good post.

76Texan
08-31-2012, 05:10 PM
What do you guys think about the TE from Notre Dame?

rmartin65
08-31-2012, 05:43 PM
What do you guys think about the TE from Notre Dame?

Safe prospect. I think he becomes a starter early in his career, and plays for a long time. I dont, however, think he is going to be a gamechanger. He wont be Gronk, or Gonzalez or Gates or Graham (there is a pattern there- TEs start with "G"), but he should be a guy that you can count on to do his job in both the run game and pass game.

I do plan on watching him more, of course, but that is my page on him right now.