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Vinny
05-18-2005, 02:05 PM
I'm looking for conformation but I think we just released JJ Moses.

Tailgate
05-18-2005, 02:07 PM
I wouldnt be surprised.

gwallaia
05-18-2005, 02:09 PM
Damn!! I just knew JJ was going to break the next return for a TD. The defender always had one extra step than JJ.

D-ReK
05-18-2005, 02:10 PM
It was pretty much inevitable...After bringing in Swinton, Buchanon, and drafting Mathis, it didn't look good for Moses...Supposedly Starling and Hollings are in the running for kick and punt return duties as well...

Ibar_Harry
05-18-2005, 02:14 PM
Damn!! I just knew JJ was going to break the next return for a TD. The defender always had one extra step than JJ.

Yes, but a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. The one thing about JJ was you knew you were going to retain the possession. That can be very important when the game is on the line.

TEXANS84
05-18-2005, 02:26 PM
Thats too bad. I always loved JJ. Now TEXANS84 will mean someone else.

El Tejano
05-18-2005, 02:28 PM
Yeah, I was a big JJ Moses advocate but man, the competition on the team for that spot is too much to just be a punt returner. Each one of the other guys will service as either a starter or back up at another position.

Oh well, looks like I have to update my Madden.

TEXANS84
05-18-2005, 02:31 PM
Now it looks like the roster spot is open for Mathis or Swinton to grab the #5.

M@DD Mike
05-18-2005, 02:53 PM
Buchannon alone makes Moses expendable but with all of the competition it will be exciting to see who gets to return the rock.

TheOgre
05-18-2005, 03:10 PM
"I never lika him. I never trusta him."

I was ready for us to get some homerun hitters. The downside is that we may actually fumble some returns now.

Vinny
05-18-2005, 03:12 PM
I have found some net-confirmation.

Texans | Moses Released - from www.KFFL.com
Wed, 18 May 2005 13:05:37 -0700

The Associated Press reports the Houston Texans have released KR/WR J.J. Moses. He was Houston's lead return man on punts and kickoffs over the past two years.

ATX
05-18-2005, 03:19 PM
hopefully nobody picks him up for awhile just incase our new returners start having fumbling problems. JJ was really surehanded and it helped make up for his speed. i'm thinking some team will sign him, bring him into camp, and he'll compete somewhere for the return job. there's got to be a team out there that needs a guy who can hold on to the ball. anybody know of any teams in the need for a return man?

O.G.
05-18-2005, 03:22 PM
"The downside is that we may actually fumble some returns now.

Trust me we will. My thing is this, with the guys we have here will we run more for touchdowns than possesions we lose putting our defense in vulnerable situations. Remember the experiment last season with AG and Starling I believe it was. Also, what happens when the person that's back on punt returns is a starter somewhere else (say PB) and gets hurt doing that? Not only are you screwed in your field position, but you just lost one of your better players. I liked JJ and even though he didn't have break a way speed to take it to the house, you automatically knew on Kick off's you were getting the ball at the 30 to 33 yard line. With that said, I wish him well and hope that Swinton, Mathis, Hollings, PB or whomever else we have back there will shine. Hopefully it won't Bite us in the a@# later.

gcolby
05-18-2005, 03:25 PM
Yes, we released him.

Thanks JJ for hanging here while you could. I for one will miss ya.

:crying:

Vinny
05-18-2005, 03:27 PM
hopefully nobody picks him up for awhile just incase our new returners start having fumbling problems. I'm sure he was released now so he could catch on with another team while there are open roster spots across the league.

Here is the espn piece...

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=nfl&id=2063186

done88
05-18-2005, 04:01 PM
I hope he catchs on with another team. He was a class guy and solid returner. I just hope heis successful where ever he ends up.

SheTexan
05-18-2005, 05:25 PM
Definitely a fan favorite and will be truly missed! JJ LOVED the fans, always gave us some type of recognition, not so with so many of the other players. His enthusiasm was infectious! It's amazing what a little nod, a finger pointed in your direction, an occassional high five, a little jig danced in the end zone, or just some type of excitement shown by a player, can do to energize the fans! Hopefully, whoever gets the position will be as fan friendly as JJ.

El Tejano
05-18-2005, 05:35 PM
.............. :crying: Good Christian and good dude
Amen to that. JJ was and always has been a good Christian man and he never used his size as a copout.

CoachJim
05-18-2005, 05:41 PM
The Mrs. is gonna be heartbroken ... that was her boy. :crying: Hope he catches on somewhere quick. He deserves a spot somewhere in the NFL IMO.

OzzO
05-18-2005, 05:44 PM
Definitely a fan favorite and will be truly missed!...

True, could always see the head bobbing waiting for the kick while the fans chanted "Moses.... Moses... Moses... Moses"

Good luck out there JJ, you did well while you spent some time with us.

TEXANS84
05-18-2005, 05:58 PM
I took this picture from JJ's locker last year:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/TEXANS84/moses.bmp

nunusguy
05-18-2005, 05:58 PM
The only problem I had with him is that he couldn't break one all the way.
It's the NFL and speed is the name of the game. Now we got 2 or 3 real burners who will compete for the position. But I wish him good luck in the future.

El Tejano
05-18-2005, 06:08 PM
JJ signed my football. One thing I won't miss though are the clipping penalties I felt he was sometimes responsible for because he reversed his field alot.

BornOrange
05-18-2005, 06:09 PM
While I have always thought that the Texans could get a better return man, Moses did a tremendous job considering his lack of speed. He has great quickness and can make some spectacular moves to make tacklers miss. I wish him the best of luck wherever he ends up. Once again, the Texans show how classy they run their organization by allowing Moses the chance to shop around for a job not just before camp starts but while teams still have mini-camps going on.

Too many "fans" here put too much of an emphasis on TD's in the return game. Moses did a really good job of avoiding fumbles which are just as big a negative as a TD is a positive. Moses was also good at consistently getting some positive yardage. Unfortunately, he just didn't have the speed of an ideal return man, especially on kickoffs. Hopefully the next guy(s) will be able to avoid the mistakes while getting a few more yards in both punts and kickoffs.

JustBonee
05-18-2005, 06:38 PM
I guess I'm one of the few who is surprised that JJ Moses lasted this long with the team.

BornOrange
05-18-2005, 06:48 PM
I guess I'm one of the few who is surprised that JJ Moses lasted this long with the team.
The last two years the Texans didn't have anyone who was better.

Now they do.

It takes a while to build a team from the ground up.

El Tejano
05-18-2005, 07:07 PM
I think if this move was made last year we all would've been going crazy. However this was the year to do it because two of the guys competing for the return job have taken it to the house several times before.

The one thing I have to say about Moses is alot of people didn't like him because he didn't make TDs but are talking good about him today after he was gone. A Pro Bowl Linebacker was released and after that, you heard many including myself talking about him being old and how his tackle totals were a product of the system. I think that says alot about Moses and the fact that he gave 110% for this organization.

Hervoyel
05-18-2005, 07:28 PM
I guess I'm one of the few who is surprised that JJ Moses lasted this long with the team.

But you're not alone. I was waiting for this day and it's finally come. I think it's great for people to be JJ fans and all but the days of being able to earn a spot on the Texans roster because you do one special teams related thing well are coming to a close. Seeing JJ go out the door just demonstrates that the quality of competition on this team is increasing and will continue to increase.

TexanFan881
05-18-2005, 08:44 PM
With seven different players competing for the kick return job, J.J. and Reggie Swinton being the only two that are not actively playing on offense or defense, I figured that J.J. would go because the Texans did not sign Reggie to cut him later. Have the competition is great, but with many good quality kick returners we really don't need all of the depth. I wish J.J. the best of luck with the team he signs with.

clearlaketaekwondo
05-18-2005, 08:56 PM
A quick JJ story to share. After one of the pre-season practices a few years ago, my young son (7 years at the time) and I were last in line to get autographs. My son had already decided he was going to grow up to be a NFL quarterback because he played catch with his Daddy every weekend in the back yard.

When we got to the front of the line, JJ and some young receivers were signing autographs. My son proudly told them that he was going to be a quarterback some day.

They gave the autographs but went further. They stopped, grabbed a ball and played catch with him for a few moments. Their logic was that after all, if he was going to be an NFL quarterback, he should get to play catch with REAL NFL receivers.

In the grand scheme of life, it was a small gesture. To my son, it meant the world. They encouraged him and praised how great his passes were and his technique. They were certain that if he worked hard towards his goal that he would succeed. JJ and the other receivers were fantastic. Since then my son has worked and worked. Now, a few years later, he is now playing youth football.... his position, quarterback. His confidence started that day with JJ Moses.

My son and I will be forever grateful.

JJ represented the best in what Professional Athletes should be.

He will always have two fans where ever he goes in life. The gesture won't be forgotten in this house.

El Tejano
05-18-2005, 08:58 PM
Once again that little story is why I am glad the Texans do so much background on character issues.

Dionysus22
05-19-2005, 12:01 AM
Great story! It still makes me sick that we let him go. JJ has always been a stand up guy and the city of Houston thanks him from the bottom of our hearts and wishes him the best of luck. I was really looking forward to seeing #84 take one back to tha house this year. Good luck Bro! :headbang:

jacquescas
05-19-2005, 01:06 AM
another training wheel gone.

TMac48
05-19-2005, 03:14 AM
rants & raves, but I can't help that after the ripping he got
here a couple of years ago, JJ would feel good about this
thread. As for myself, I always felt good when he went back
to make a catch.. sure hands and alway a good efford. Right
he never busted one... but had some good ones called back.
:cool:

Amen. I wish he would read this thread. We love you JJ. Good luck where ever you end up.

edo783
05-19-2005, 08:41 AM
I think he was a bit of a security blanket for us. We felt safe with him back there. One of the problems with an expansion team is that they make mistakes by the boatload and this was an area we didn't have to worry about to much because he was so solid handling the ball. I wish the best for JJ and hope that another team picks him up.

dirty steve
05-19-2005, 11:34 AM
i'll miss his lame ball spins after his SPECTACULAR fair catches.

i, for one, won't miss him. i was happy to hear the news.

BattleRedRaider
05-19-2005, 11:41 AM
i'll miss his lame ball spins after his SPECTACULAR fair catches.

Haha.

Well, the guy was a better punt returner in real life than he was in Madden. Hope he does good with another team.

dirty steve
05-19-2005, 11:49 AM
isn't everybody better in Madden???

BattleRedRaider
05-19-2005, 11:50 AM
isn't everybody better in Madden???

Yes.

Everyone but JJ. The guy would fumble the punts WAY MORE often then he does in real life.

El Tejano
05-19-2005, 11:52 AM
Haha.

Well, the guy was a better punt returner in real life than he was in Madden. Hope he does good with another team.
You never returned one with Moses in Madden? Dude, people hate playing me because they have to kick the ball out of bounds or have to onside to hold him because when he gets the ball he takes one to the house 2 out of 3 times and when he don't he brings it to the 50.

I am going to miss him on our team and on my Madden.

BattleRedRaider
05-19-2005, 11:56 AM
You never returned one with Moses in Madden? Dude, people hate playing me because they have to kick the ball out of bounds or have to onside to hold him because when he gets the ball he takes one to the house 2 out of 3 times and when he don't he brings it to the 50.

I am going to miss him on our team and on my Madden.

I tried returning with him. I'm a good PR guy, but not with JJ. I had to switch Moses with Starling (or anyone else in the depth chart) for better results. (or Allen Rossum, whom I traded Dave Ragone for.....haha)

Texans1984
05-19-2005, 12:30 PM
is their away to get this thread to jj vinny can u do anything to get it to him he sure will be missed he is a great guy :)

Vinny
05-19-2005, 12:35 PM
You never returned one with Moses in Madden? Dude, people hate playing me because they have to kick the ball out of bounds or have to onside to hold him because when he gets the ball he takes one to the house 2 out of 3 times and when he don't he brings it to the 50.

I am going to miss him on our team and on my Madden.They made him way too fast in Madden. He is a 92 speed, nearly as fast as Starling at 93.

SESupergenius
05-19-2005, 02:06 PM
I am thinking they are letting him go now to make a move on someone (possibly Bouleware maybe?)

El Tejano
05-19-2005, 02:17 PM
My madden never had Kendrick Starling on there. How do yall have him?

Vinny
05-19-2005, 02:30 PM
This is on my xbox, and I have uploaded one of the roster updates via xbox live. I don't remember if Starling was on the original set up or not.

BattleRedRaider
05-19-2005, 03:25 PM
Starling came from an Online Roster update when I played Madden Online. Along with Matt Murphy and some others.

OzzO
05-19-2005, 04:40 PM
I am thinking they are letting him go now to make a move on someone (possibly Bouleware maybe?)

According to the chronic (http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/3188780) it was for Rivers' spot.

...The Texans signed unrestricted free-agent Marcellus Rivers to take Moses' spot on the roster. The need for a tight end became paramount with the loss of Bennie Joppru to a torn knee ligament earlier this week.....

THEFUTURE
05-19-2005, 05:03 PM
am i the only one that thinks DC needs to be faster in madden, he seems slow to me

clearlaketaekwondo
05-19-2005, 07:51 PM
A quick JJ story to share. After one of the pre-season practices a few years ago, my young son (7 years at the time) and I were last in line to get autographs. My son had already decided he was going to grow up to be a NFL quarterback because he played catch with his Daddy every weekend in the back yard.

When we got to the front of the line, JJ and some young receivers were signing autographs. My son proudly told them that he was going to be a quarterback some day.

They gave the autographs but went further. They stopped, grabbed a ball and played catch with him for a few moments. Their logic was that after all, if he was going to be an NFL quarterback, he should get to play catch with REAL NFL receivers.

In the grand scheme of life, it was a small gesture. To my son, it meant the world. They encouraged him and praised how great his passes were and his technique. They were certain that if he worked hard towards his goal that he would succeed. JJ and the other receivers were fantastic. Since then my son has worked and worked. Now, a few years later, he is now playing youth football.... his position, quarterback. His confidence started that day with JJ Moses.

My son and I will be forever grateful.

JJ represented the best in what Professional Athletes should be.

He will always have two fans where ever he goes in life. The gesture won't be forgotten in this house.


So this afternoon, I told my son that the Texans had released JJ. He was absoutely devastated. He cried for ten minutes before I calmed him down.

It is easy for us grown ups to criticize and compare to this possibility or that. He could have been this or that. I wish we had so and so in his place or his slot will go to so and so. I wish we kept him... He is glad we didn't... Nothing wrong with that for grown ups to debate...

A child's view of the game is much more pure. He simply loves the Texans and they are the best in his mind. To my son, JJ was his friend. To my son, he lost a friend and hero that was nice to him.

I like the game better through my son's eyes. He goes into every game excited and thrilled. Convinced his Texans will win. He cheers like a madman for every play -- offense - defense - special teams. He wears his little Texans Uniform and Jersey to every game complete with helmet and shoulder pads.

His big regret was that they never sold JJ Moses Jerseys. He really wanted one.

JJ said to him, "Gotta cheer for the little guys..., you can make it, just keep trying..."

My son would scream at the games, "Go JJ, Go JJ..." When he got tackled my son would yell, "Try again next time, you'll get 'em"

Just some thoughts through the perspective of a child.

Ibar_Harry
05-19-2005, 08:03 PM
So this afternoon, I told my son that the Texans had released JJ. He was absoutely devastated. He cried for ten minutes before I calmed him down.

It is easy for us grown ups to criticize and compare to this possibility or that. He could have been this or that. I wish we had so and so in his place or his slot will go to so and so. I wish we kept him... He is glad we didn't... Nothing wrong with that for grown ups to debate...

A child's view of the game is much more pure. He simply loves the Texans and they are the best in his mind. To my son, JJ was his friend. To my son, he lost a friend and hero that was nice to him.

I like the game better through my son's eyes. He goes into every game excited and thrilled. Convinced his Texans will win. He cheers like a madman for every play -- offense - defense - special teams. He wears his little Texans Uniform and Jersey to every game complete with helmet and shoulder pads.

His big regret was that they never sold JJ Moses Jerseys. He really wanted one.

JJ said to him, "Gotta cheer for the little guys..., you can make it, just keep trying..."

My son would scream at the games, "Go JJ, Go JJ..." When he got tackled my son would yell, "Try again next time, you'll get 'em"

Just some thoughts through the perspective of a child.

Any that's why some of us just shake our heads when they say its only a business........................

CoachJim
05-21-2005, 09:24 AM
...Now, a few years later, he is now playing youth football.... his position, quarterback.
:offtopic

I'm assuming from your username that you are from Clear Lake. Does your son play for a TIFI youth team? There are a couple in the CL area. The Clear Lake Space Raiders & the NASA Falcons are both TIFI teams. I was just wondering because I coach for another TIFI team in Pasadena, the Bears. As a matter of fact, I believe our 1st game this upcoming season is vs. the Space Raiders ... Great story.

TexansTrueFan
05-21-2005, 04:38 PM
i loved moses, well i hope our next guy is as sure handed as J.J was, and has the same moves but a lil more speed.

rdbrem
05-21-2005, 08:46 PM
is their away to get this thread to jj vinny can u do anything to get it to him he sure will be missed he is a great guy :)

His mom is a friend of mine. I used to copy his photos off the internet for her, and give them to her at work. I'll copy this thread, minus the expletives. :) I think he'll appreciate your thoughts.

Ron

texasguy346
05-22-2005, 09:57 PM
Wow. I'm gone for a week, and all sorts of things happen. JJ getting released, Joppru getting hurt again, picking up Rivers, etc. I was really looking forward to seeing the competition for the KR and PR duties during TC and the Preseason with JJ being part of it, but I guess I'll just have to deal with watching PB, Mathis, Hollings, Starling, and Swinton duke it out.

Yankee_In_TX
05-23-2005, 03:44 PM
Yes.

Everyone but JJ. The guy would fumble the punts WAY MORE often then he does in real life.

He ROCKED in ESPN2K5.

I'll miss him on the field and on my PS/2.

Some of my best player pics I took are of him...

Tulip
05-23-2005, 08:56 PM
In this era of free agency, it's so hard to have a team identity, which is something I really value. JJ Moses was so much a part of the Texans' spirit.

He was also solid and dependable, qualities I value greatly as well. I think a fumbled punt is so much more disasterous for a team than a return for a TD is great.

I will miss JJ on Sundays. I will miss 70,000 people yelling his name every time he touches the ball.

We'll hardly even recognize this team come opening day - with so many roster changes.

Good luck, JJ. We'll miss you. Thanks for everything. :)

ojthecat
05-23-2005, 09:17 PM
I think a fumbled punt is so much more disasterous for a team than a return for a TD is great.


No Touchdowns are better.

rdbrem
05-23-2005, 10:10 PM
A fumbled punt is usually a touchdown for the other team. 7 points down. A touchdown is 7 points up. Seems to me they cancel each other.

However, emotionally a touchdown is great for you, but I don't think damages the other team's morale that much. But a fumbled punt is really frustrating. Watch the home crowd go quiet after a fumbled punt, if we fumble it. It just takes the noise right out of the stadium.

ojthecat
05-23-2005, 10:24 PM
A fumbled punt is usually a touchdown for the other team. 7 points down. A touchdown is 7 points up. Seems to me they cancel each other.

However, emotionally a touchdown is great for you, but I don't think damages the other team's morale that much. But a fumbled punt is really frustrating. Watch the home crowd go quiet after a fumbled punt, if we fumble it. It just takes the noise right out of the stadium.

A fumbled punt is not always a touchdown and it is not always even a field goal.
They dont even out.
Taking the noise out of the stadium??? The team that scores the most wins... Period

rdbrem
05-25-2005, 08:00 PM
A fumbled punt is not always a touchdown and it is not always even a field goal.
They dont even out.
Taking the noise out of the stadium??? The team that scores the most wins... Period

Oh, I didn't know they still played by that rule. Thanks for letting me know. The most points, I'll write that down...

ojthecat
05-25-2005, 08:11 PM
Oh, I didn't know they still played by that rule. Thanks for letting me know. The most points, I'll write that down...

I can't wait for the start of the season. Looks like we will finally have the speed to bring one back this year. :highfive:

MyBoyJjMoses
06-19-2005, 03:42 PM
Does anybody know if jj has signed with another team yet..im from waterloo iowa and jj was a close friend of mine... :confused:

MyBoyJjMoses
06-19-2005, 03:57 PM
well i guess all rumors back home are true..jj is history in houston..that sux..im from waterloo and jj is a close friend of mine...i havent been able to contact him as of late...i talked to his parents awhile back..he is a great guy..you guys lost a good one :dangit:

texansfan88
06-19-2005, 04:00 PM
well i guess all rumors back home are true..jj is history in houston..that sux..im from waterloo and jj is a close friend of mine...i havent been able to contact him as of late...i talked to his parents awhile back..he is a great guy..you guys lost a good one :dangit:
lets not let homerism get to us... he had a big heart, and i respect him for what he did here... but we didn't lose a great return man... he never came close to breaking one in 2 years here

El Tejano
06-19-2005, 04:10 PM
lets not let homerism get to us... he had a big heart, and i respect him for what he did here... but we didn't lose a great return man... he never came close to breaking one in 2 years here
I believe that is what he was implying.

texansfan88
06-19-2005, 04:21 PM
I believe that is what he was implying.
I took his statement as implying that we lost a great return man b/c he is nice and a good guy

FILO_girl
06-19-2005, 06:08 PM
well i guess all rumors back home are true..jj is history in houston..that sux..im from waterloo and jj is a close friend of mine...i havent been able to contact him as of late...i talked to his parents awhile back..he is a great guy..you guys lost a good one :dangit:

Many feel as you do. If you do hear of any news, let us know. :cool:

TopTexanFan16
06-20-2005, 09:56 AM
lets not let homerism get to us... he had a big heart, and i respect him for what he did here... but we didn't lose a great return man... he never came close to breaking one in 2 years here

hey he might not have taken it all the way but he sure as hell came close countless times, so make sure you watch games before you critique a player. the one return that i still remember was against the jets at reliant. he got us in scoring position many times we just could never take advantage of that.

good luck JJ.

Big B Texan Fan
06-20-2005, 11:04 AM
hey he might not have taken it all the way but he sure as hell came close countless times, so make sure you watch games before you critique a player. the one return that i still remember was against the jets at reliant. he got us in scoring position many times we just could never take advantage of that.

good luck JJ.
Yea, and most return guys score on that one. He got ran down by a LB. Still we should've won that one though. Wasn't that DD 1st start @ RB.

MyBoyJjMoses
06-24-2005, 04:45 PM
anybody got any news on jj yet...thats my boy from my hometown and i need to find out :brickwall