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Insideop
05-30-2012, 11:24 AM
Didn't see this posted anywhere. Article by McClain in the chronic. http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2012/05/texans-lb-loiseau-relishes-second-chance/

I'm pulling for this kid. If nothing else he should be a good Special Teamer.

The Pencil Neck
05-30-2012, 11:50 AM
Yeah, that was a good article.

But...

I have a little problem believing that's exactly how that whole situation went down. I can't entirely believe that this kid got his life that fscked up in a twisted case of self-defense and I suspect there was more to the prosecutor's case than what Loiseau is letting on. I wouldn't be surprised if Loiseau was accused as the instigator of the fight.

Still. A great story if he can get it turned around and become this year's Braman.

ckhouston
05-30-2012, 12:00 PM
Yeah, that was a good article.

But...

I have a little problem believing that's exactly how that whole situation went down. I can't entirely believe that this kid got his life that fscked up in a twisted case of self-defense and I suspect there was more to the prosecutor's case than what Loiseau is letting on. I wouldn't be surprised if Loiseau was accused as the instigator of the fight.

Still. A great story if he can get it turned around and become this year's Braman.

Yes, lets automatically accuse him of lying. :clown:

Texan_Bill
05-30-2012, 12:08 PM
From a local article:


In a recent interview, Shawn’s father, Paul Loiseau, talked about the incident, which both he and his wife Denise witnessed.

According to the father’s account, the fight began after his son drove home on the narrow and curvy Edgemere Drive. Shawn was traveling behind a car carrying Lequillo and at least one other individual, Paul said.

Upon arriving at Norton Way, Paul said Lequillo and another man started yelling at Shawn for driving with his high beams on.

Contrary to a previous report, Lequillo does not live on Norton Way and was apparently visiting a neighbor of the Loiseau family.

After the shouting incident, Shawn went inside his house and called Levine in an attempt to see what the problem was, at which point Lequillo got on the phone and said to meet him outside, Paul Loiseau said.

When Shawn went out, Paul followed and saw Lequillo and the other man had weapons in their hands -- one with a pipe the other had a type of piano tool – he said.

According to Paul, he tried to prevent a fight, but at one point he turned his back and heard a crack. He turned back around to see his son down on one knee with blood pouring down his face.

“They hit him first with the pipe,” Paul said.
After his son was allegedly hit with the pipe, Paul went to break up the fight but stumbled and fell down a small embankment.

When he got up, he claims he saw his son grab Lequillo while being beaten from behind by the other man. The three then fell onto the neighbor’s walkway with Lequillo on the bottom.



Full article: Here (http://www.wickedlocal.com/shrewsbury/news/x768685293#axzz1wMyfL2ph)

Playoffs
05-30-2012, 12:14 PM
I'm telling you, this kid looks like he has "it" to me...

http://binaryapi.ap.org/fba84a3e951e4204ad56db8c14acee30/940x.jpg

NFL.com has Shawn Loiseau at 6' and Mercilus at 6'4" ..... look at the picture??? Something somewhere is off.

Carr Bombed
05-30-2012, 12:40 PM
Yeah, that was a good article.

But...

I have a little problem believing that's exactly how that whole situation went down. I can't entirely believe that this kid got his life that fscked up in a twisted case of self-defense and I suspect there was more to the prosecutor's case than what Loiseau is letting on. I wouldn't be surprised if Loiseau was accused as the instigator of the fight.

Still. A great story if he can get it turned around and become this year's Braman.

:rolleyes: It's Massachusetts.. one of the most backassward states in the union. This crap never would've happened in Texas.

Playoffs
05-30-2012, 12:48 PM
Shawn needed approximately 28 stitches to close the wound on his head, according to Paul. After being treated, Shawn was arrested by Shrewsbury Police.

“It’s just a terrible thing, we’re all sick about it,” Paul said. “It was his first fight, he’s never been in trouble.”

Paul bailed his son out of jail for $5,000 cash 12 hours later.

Shawn is currently being excluded from school under Massachusetts’ state law 37H 1/2 as a result of the incident, according to principal Brian Reagan...

CloakNNNdagger
05-30-2012, 01:03 PM
I'm telling you, this kid looks like he has "it" to me...

http://binaryapi.ap.org/fba84a3e951e4204ad56db8c14acee30/940x.jpg

NFL.com has Shawn Loiseau at 6' and Mercilus at 6'4" ..... look at the picture??? Something somewhere is off.

Could be explained by a telephoto lens which give a narrower depth of field.

Rey
05-30-2012, 01:04 PM
I'm telling you, this kid looks like he has "it" to me...

http://binaryapi.ap.org/fba84a3e951e4204ad56db8c14acee30/940x.jpg

NFL.com has Shawn Loiseau at 6' and Mercilus at 6'4" ..... look at the picture??? Something somewhere is off.

They aren't standing sid by side...

Allstar
05-30-2012, 01:43 PM
I'm telling you, this kid looks like he has "it" to me...

http://binaryapi.ap.org/fba84a3e951e4204ad56db8c14acee30/940x.jpg

NFL.com has Shawn Loiseau at 6' and Mercilus at 6'4" ..... look at the picture??? Something somewhere is off.

I think you may be on to something


http://www.humor-articles.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/dancing_on_hand.jpg

The Pencil Neck
05-30-2012, 01:58 PM
Yes, lets automatically accuse him of lying. :clown:

Like the old saying says, "there are 3 sides to every story: yours, mine, and the truth." All I'm saying is that if you just listen to one side of the story, then you're not getting the truth. Even if that person isn't trying to lie about what happened, their memory and what they choose to tell of it will naturally slant things in their favor. That's just human nature.

The problem with this "story" is that the reporter didn't report. He talked to Loiseau and got his side of the story and printed it. He didn't go and talk to the guy he put in a coma or the policemen who were on the scene.

So its one-sided and slanted to make you feel good about the kid.

Brisco_County
05-30-2012, 02:04 PM
Could be explained by a telephoto lens which give a narrower depth of field.

If they're both in focus, then they're both on (or close to) the same Z plane, which means they're at least nearly side by side. The shadows are also parallel. Someone's height measurement(s) might be a bit off.

EDIT: I've got it backwards. The longer the depth of field, then the more inclusive the focus of the Z plane. But the shadows are still close.

Rey
05-30-2012, 02:18 PM
If they're both in focus, then they're both on (or close to) the same Z plane, which means they're at least nearly side by side. The shadows are also parallel. Someone's height measurement(s) might be a bit off.

EDIT: I've got it backwards. The longer the depth of field, then the more inclusive the focus of the Z plane. But the shadows are still close.

It's three or four inches...

The slightes stagger in distance apart will skew how they look in comparison to one another.

GP
05-30-2012, 02:56 PM
#90 is maybe a step ahead of #59. So the guy out front is going to appear taller than he actually is.

Plus, look at the length of each guy's leg. From the knee to the ankle, you can see that Mercilus is longer there. Same with the arms. So I'm betting that Mercilus is easily 3 or 4 inches taller than Loiseau. Proportions between major joints in the arms and legs tells the story here, IMO. Loiseau is naturally the shorter/stockier guy of the two.

Also, it's funny to see #59 and #90 walking beside each other and it's not DeMeco and Mario.

ckhouston
05-30-2012, 03:11 PM
Like the old saying says, "there are 3 sides to every story: yours, mine, and the truth." All I'm saying is that if you just listen to one side of the story, then you're not getting the truth. Even if that person isn't trying to lie about what happened, their memory and what they choose to tell of it will naturally slant things in their favor. That's just human nature.

The problem with this "story" is that the reporter didn't report. He talked to Loiseau and got his side of the story and printed it. He didn't go and talk to the guy he put in a coma or the policemen who were on the scene.

So its one-sided and slanted to make you feel good about the kid.

I understand what you are saying.

Just found it funny that the bulk of your post was that that may not be the whole story, and only a small part about what I think could be the case ... this kid could be the next Braman.

ckhouston
05-30-2012, 03:13 PM
This crap never would've happened in Texas.

Nope, in Texas if you hit me in the head with a pipe ... the hogs eat good tonight. :cowboy1:

The Pencil Neck
05-30-2012, 03:14 PM
I understand what you are saying.

Just found it funny that the bulk of your post was that that may not be the whole story, and only a small part about what I think could be the case ... this kid could be the next Braman.

Well, almost the entire article was on his legal issues.

But... the reporter (who didn't bother to get the other side of the story) also didn't bother to make the obvious correlation to Braman and his legal issues in college.

ckhouston
05-30-2012, 03:16 PM
Well, almost the entire article was on his legal issues.

But... the reporter (who didn't bother to get the other side of the story) also didn't bother to make the obvious correlation to Braman and his legal issues in college.

If former legal issues inspire you to go head first on a special teams tackle ... helmet-less.

I'll take all the ex-cons ya got! :d:

GP
05-30-2012, 03:30 PM
Well, almost the entire article was on his legal issues.

But... the reporter (who didn't bother to get the other side of the story) also didn't bother to make the obvious correlation to Braman and his legal issues in college.

Reporters should always get the other side, in a story, and if they can't get the other side they're supposed to report that attempts to get the other side to make a comment was unsuccessful.

Some dudes had weapons. What weapons did Loiseau have at that time? Words were said. One guy was blasted with a pipe, another guy was put into a coma because of "the ground."

I think, just based on the elementary details of the event, that once Loiseau was nailed with a pipe...it was Game On for all involved. How they got there doesn't matter. One guy used a pipe, the other guy then used his fists.

I tend to think that liberal communities are going to have some pretty inverse opinions of which guy is "more guilty," and in this case (IMO) it appears that the verdict against Loiseau hinged on who did the most damage and not who was protecting against an unfair attack.

Maybe the courts could not decide who made the first contact with the other person and so that kicked in the angle of how Loiseau put a guy into a coma and near death? I think in some instances, people are found unfairly guilty of these sorts of things because of the shock value: You put someone in a COMA and yet all you got was some lousy stitches!

In Texas, at least in the vast majority of areas in Texas, Loiseau would have probably walked. Different state, different culture.

The Pencil Neck
05-30-2012, 03:45 PM
Reporters should always get the other side, in a story, and if they can't get the other side they're supposed to report that attempts to get the other side to make a comment was unsuccessful.

Some dudes had weapons. What weapons did Loiseau have at that time? Words were said. One guy was blasted with a pipe, another guy was put into a coma because of "the ground."

I think, just based on the elementary details of the event,... < snip>

That's just it. You're repeating the "facts" from the Chron story. But those facts were Loiseau's side of the story. Loiseau and his father might have started the fight. Loiseau and his father may have had weapons as well.

Don't get me wrong, Loiseau is a Texan and he's now one of my guys. But that story sounds suspicious to me.

When I first heard it, the story was that some gang members attacked Loiseau's father with pipes and Loiseau put one of them in a coma and got blamed for the whole thing. Now, the story is that Loiseau came home from the gym, some gang members started talking smack, then his dad started talking smack, then a gang member hit Loiseau in the head with a pipe and Loiseau put him into a coma and got charged with using the ground as a weapon. Could be the same story just with more detail. But either way, it's not the whole story.

We don't know what the real facts were. I'd like to hear what the cops on the scene had to say about it.

GP
05-30-2012, 03:48 PM
That's just it. You're repeating the "facts" from the Chron story. But those facts were Loiseau's side of the story. Loiseau and his father might have started the fight. Loiseau and his father may have had weapons as well.

Don't get me wrong, Loiseau is a Texan and he's now one of my guys. But that story sounds suspicious to me.

When I first heard it, the story was that some gang members attacked Loiseau's father with pipes and Loiseau put one of them in a coma and got blamed for the whole thing. Now, the story is that Loiseau came home from the gym, some gang members started talking smack, then his dad started talking smack, then a gang member hit Loiseau in the head with a pipe and Loiseau put him into a coma and got charged with using the ground as a weapon. Could be the same story just with more detail. But either way, it's not the whole story.

We don't know what the real facts were. I'd like to hear what the cops on the scene had to say about it.

One thing that is curious to me: How could Loiseau properly maintain consciousness while two guys with a pipe and a crowbar are attacking him?

I mean, it's one thing to overcome a guy with a pipe. It's another thing if he's got a buddy who is wielding a crowbar. Either Loiseau is The Crow (Loiseau means "bird" by the way) or he had more than just a fist and the ground as his allies.

Oh well. He's in the clear NOW. As was Braman when he came to the Texans. Here's to hoping that both guys do damage to opposing teams. :cheers:

The Pencil Neck
05-30-2012, 03:52 PM
One thing that is curious to me: How could Loiseau properly maintain consciousness while two guys with a pipe and a crowbar are attacking him?

I mean, it's one thing to overcome a guy with a pipe. It's another thing if he's got a buddy who is wielding a crowbar. Either Loiseau is The Crow (Loiseau means "bird" by the way) or he had more than just a fist and the ground as his allies.


Exactly. One unarmed high school kid going against two armed gang bangers? And he just gets a couple of stitches? They must have puh-cee gang bangers where he lives. And his dad must be a bad-ass, too.

Something's fishy about that tale.


Oh well. He's in the clear NOW. As was Braman when he came to the Texans. Here's to hoping that both guys do damage to opposing teams. :cheers:

Exactly!

:texans:

Vinnie
05-30-2012, 03:57 PM
Maybe one of you with a facepalm er book can ask him yourself.

http://www.facebook.com/eric.lequillo

drunkcookie
05-30-2012, 04:02 PM
Exactly. One unarmed high school kid going against two armed gang bangers? And he just gets a couple of stitches? They must have puh-cee gang bangers where he lives.

Most gang-bangers are "puh-cees". That is why they're in a gang, so they "feel" tough... Wannabees is probably all they were... A real gang-banger would probably have been packing...

Brisco_County
05-30-2012, 04:20 PM
#90 is maybe a step ahead of #59. So the guy out front is going to appear taller than he actually is.

Plus, look at the length of each guy's leg. From the knee to the ankle, you can see that Mercilus is longer there. Same with the arms. So I'm betting that Mercilus is easily 3 or 4 inches taller than Loiseau. Proportions between major joints in the arms and legs tells the story here, IMO. Loiseau is naturally the shorter/stockier guy of the two.

Also, it's funny to see #59 and #90 walking beside each other and it's not DeMeco and Mario.

My boss just pointed out that Mercilus is mid stride, while Loiseau is almost standing straight up.

Then he told me to get back to work.

The Pencil Neck
05-30-2012, 04:21 PM
Maybe one of you with a facepalm er book can ask him yourself.

http://www.facebook.com/eric.lequillo

That's the guy that got coma'd? He looks hardcore. Not.
A local newspaper's report on the story at the time. (http://www.wickedlocal.com/shrewsbury/news/x768685293?zc_p=1#axzz1wO2T6INc)

The 17-year-old Shrewsbury High School senior severely injured in an off-campus fight with another high school student earlier this month was recently released from the hospital and has started rehabilitation.

According to a hospital spokeswoman, Eric Lequillo, of 51 Shirley Road, was discharged from UMass Memorial Medical Center’s University Campus May 11, more than a week after being admitted for a serious head injury.

Lequillo was hurt during a fight with 17-year-old, Shawn Loiseau, of 7 Norton Way. Loiseau is a junior at Shrewsbury High.

The fight took place at approximately 9 p.m. on May 2 near Loiseau’s home, according to police.

As a result of the incident, Loiseau was arrested and charged with assault and battery with a dangerous weapon, the ground. He was arraigned in Westborough District Court May 3.

In a recent interview, Shawn’s father, Paul Loiseau, talked about the incident, which both he and his wife Denise witnessed.

According to the father’s account, the fight began after his son drove home on the narrow and curvy Edgemere Drive. Shawn was traveling behind a car carrying Lequillo and at least one other individual, Paul said.

Upon arriving at Norton Way, Paul said Lequillo and another man started yelling at Shawn for driving with his high beams on.

Contrary to a previous report, Lequillo does not live on Norton Way and was apparently visiting a neighbor of the Loiseau family.

After the shouting incident, Shawn went inside his house and called Levine in an attempt to see what the problem was, at which point Lequillo got on the phone and said to meet him outside, Paul Loiseau said.

When Shawn went out, Paul followed and saw Lequillo and the other man had weapons in their hands -- one with a pipe the other had a type of piano tool – he said.

According to Paul, he tried to prevent a fight, but at one point he turned his back and heard a crack. He turned back around to see his son down on one knee with blood pouring down his face.

“They hit him first with the pipe,” Paul said.

After his son was allegedly hit with the pipe, Paul went to break up the fight but stumbled and fell down a small embankment.

When he got up, he claims he saw his son grab Lequillo while being beaten from behind by the other man. The three then fell onto the neighbor’s walkway with Lequillo on the bottom.

“I think the damage done to the other kid happened when the three of them fell,” said Paul.

Police subsequently arrived to the scene, and both Lequillo and Shawn were transported to the hospital. Denise Loiseau said she was the first to call 911.

Shawn needed approximately 28 stitches to close the wound on his head, according to Paul. After being treated, Shawn was arrested by Shrewsbury Police.

“It’s just a terrible thing, we’re all sick about it,” Paul said. “It was his first fight, he’s never been in trouble.”

Paul bailed his son out of jail for $5,000 cash 12 hours later.
Shawn is currently being excluded from school under Massachusetts’ state law 37H 1/2 as a result of the incident, according to principal Brian Reagan.

Lequillo’s father Rodney, declined to comment on the fight or his son’s injuries, but said the facts would come out in court.

Worcester County District Attorney Joseph Early’s office will be prosecuting the case.

The police report and all documents relating to the events of May 2 have been sealed from the public.

Shrewsbury police and State police are still investigating the case and Loiseau is scheduled to appear for a pretrial hearing June 19

TexanBacker93
05-30-2012, 04:22 PM
Exactly. One unarmed high school kid going against two armed gang bangers? And he just gets a couple of stitches? They must have puh-cee gang bangers where he lives. And his dad must be a bad-ass, too.

Something's fishy about that tale.



Exactly!

:texans:


Considering it was in Massachusetts I think it's a fair assumption that they probably have "puh-cee" gangbangers.

The Pencil Neck
05-30-2012, 04:23 PM
Most gang-bangers are "puh-cees". That is why they're in a gang, so they "feel" tough... Wannabees is probably all they were... A real gang-banger would probably have been packing...

There were very few gang-bangers I would have messed with back in Compton. I don't care how big or small they were. The small ones had guns. And if you messed with 1 gang-banger, you messed with the entire gang.

From what I can see, these were just a bunch of kids talking smack and it got out of control.

Vinnie
05-30-2012, 04:30 PM
The dude is a fan of the Five Guys in Worcester, so I'm assuming that's him. Unless there a bunch of Eric Lequillo's running around up there.

Insideop
05-30-2012, 04:54 PM
Don't know anything about gangs and "gangbangers" but if Lequillo was in a gang, it seems he would most likely have a police record. And, even if he weren't in a gang, I wonder if he had a record before the incident.

Anyway, I'm hoping Shawn can put this all behind him and become an outstanding NFL Football player for the Texans!

ckhouston
05-30-2012, 05:15 PM
Most gang-bangers are "puh-cees".

We have a winner! :bravo:

V3rm0nt3r
05-30-2012, 06:44 PM
:rolleyes: It's Massachusetts.. one of the most backassward states in the union. This crap never would've happened in Texas.

This is undeniably at least half true. I don't know much about the Texan judicial system outside of their notoriously liberal use of capital punishment but I go to school in Springfield, Mass and there is definitely something in the water up here. I wouldn't be surprised if this is an accurate account of what happened. Having said that I also wouldn't be surprised there was more fault on Loiseau than this report might suggest. There's a reason Mass residents are referred to as Mass-holes. Just saying.

TimeKiller
05-30-2012, 08:25 PM
Even if he started the fight, he was proposing fisticuffs. Lead pipe? What gang is that the Col. Mustard crew? Sounds like a meat head and some kid with baggy pants got into it and things got out of control. I picked this guy in one of my mocks as a 7th, happy to see him get a chance to make it as a pro since the state stuck it to him with a felony.

I'll say Mercilus is 6'3'' with long arms and Loiseau is 6'1'' and looks like a truck.

76Texan
05-30-2012, 08:31 PM
The bond was set at $5,000; to me, it doesn't amount to much in legal matter.

Texan_Bill
05-30-2012, 08:54 PM
I like a guy that can take a lead pipe to the mellon and get 27 stitches (or whatever it was) and still whoop a$$!!!

That said, 20 years down the road when he joins the class-action lawsuit by ex-players against the NFL for head injuries, the NFL has a plausible defense.

beerlover
05-30-2012, 08:55 PM
I'd offer to sit in the stands @ a Texan game with his dad to get the "rest of the story".:shades:

Honoring Earl 34
05-30-2012, 08:56 PM
Hey ... We wanted a Ray Lewis type .

TimeKiller
05-31-2012, 09:02 AM
Hey ... We wanted a Ray Lewis type .

Not even in the same ball park as Ray Ray's incident. Nobody died, for one.

IDEXAN
05-31-2012, 10:51 AM
I read that the kid that Loiseau put in a hospital and a comma was a 130 pound teenager.

Vinnie
05-31-2012, 11:38 AM
Yeah, just google his name. Hardly a gang banger, more of a skater loser. Ultimately I think it came down to three stupid teenagers that did a stupid teenage thing. The problem was one of them was freakishly strong.

The Pencil Neck
05-31-2012, 11:40 AM
Yeah, just google his name. Hardly a gang banger, more of a skater loser. Ultimately I think it came down to three stupid teenagers that did a stupid teenage thing. The problem was one of them was freakishly strong.

^^^ This.

GP
05-31-2012, 12:53 PM
Yeah, just google his name. Hardly a gang banger, more of a skater loser. Ultimately I think it came down to three stupid teenagers that did a stupid teenage thing. The problem was one of them was freakishly strong.

I was thinking the same thing yesterday. Sounds like teenage piss and vinegar by all involved, and it got taken to drastic lengths by all involved. And that's why they were harsh on Loiseau because ultimately he took it to a new level whether he meant to or not.

Had Loiseau been in a coma instead, and the other gangster/skater dude only received 27 stitches, I feel the result would have been a similar judgment on the skater dude.

Not saying that it is exactly "fair" but I think that was the tipping point in terms of who got penalized and why. All things being equal, the winner became the loser in the eyes of the law.

Fights between teens and young adults (college age) happen all the time. It's just sort of like deers in rut. They're going to work that energy off somehow, and usually it involves petty fights with one another. LOL. We've all been there.

Brisco_County
05-31-2012, 01:39 PM
I was wondering if the fall was the result of the neighbors' house being on a decline, and that looks to be the case. Google street view gives this location as the approximate address: Link (http://maps.google.com/maps?oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&q=7+norton+way+shrewsbury+ma&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x89e408b9c2b2aa97:0x7be0288336ebe8a8,7+Nort on+Way,+Shrewsbury,+MA+01545&gl=us&ei=qqvHT8yRMLPE2QWApcifCw&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=image&resnum=1&ved=0CAsQ8gEwAA). Notice the drop next to the driveway.

Vinnie
05-31-2012, 01:40 PM
I was thinking the same thing yesterday. Sounds like teenage piss and vinegar by all involved, and it got taken to drastic lengths by all involved. And that's why they were harsh on Loiseau because ultimately he took it to a new level whether he meant to or not.

Had Loiseau been in a coma instead, and the other gangster/skater dude only received 27 stitches, I feel the result would have been a similar judgment on the skater dude.

Not saying that it is exactly "fair" but I think that was the tipping point in terms of who got penalized and why. All things being equal, the winner became the loser in the eyes of the law.

Fights between teens and young adults (college age) happen all the time. It's just sort of like deers in rut. They're going to work that energy off somehow, and usually it involves petty fights with one another. LOL. We've all been there.

Exactly