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HardKnockTexan
05-18-2005, 01:38 AM
http://www.nfl.com/partners/aol?http://www.nfl.com/

hmmmmm..... :hmmm:

LikeABoss
05-18-2005, 01:56 AM
I don't get it idonno:

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
05-18-2005, 01:57 AM
Texans | Look to Sign M. Rivers - from www.KFFL.com
Tue, 17 May 2005 20:52:26 -0700

ESPN.com's John Clayton reports the Houston Texans are apparently going to sign free agent TE Marcellus Rivers (Giants). He visited with the Texans Tuesday, May 17 and the team kept him in town overnight. Rivers was flown in after the Texans found out TE Bennie Joppru was lost for the season with a torn ACL.

TexAntagonise
05-18-2005, 07:46 AM
This tells me that the Texans were not expecting to much out of Joppru this season.

O.G.
05-18-2005, 07:57 AM
Does anyone know anything about the guy? Hey Vinny, can you or someone give us some info?

ArlingtonTexan
05-18-2005, 08:04 AM
think he is considered better blocker than receiver. Seems like he has some physical talent, but never put it together. He was drafted the year before the Giants drafted Shockey. Even with Shockey being in and out of line-up he never was looked to in the passing game with the Giants. In no way a lock to make the roster if signed.

ArlingtonTexan
05-18-2005, 08:11 AM
This tells me that the Texans were not expecting to much out of Joppru this season.

Missing the connection. Except for Franks any Free Agent TE signed at this point is spare, some better-named spares (Cam Cleeland,etc), but still a spare. None of the guys with a name you might have heard of is really any better than Rivers, just a name that you have heard of.

Unlike some expectations that I have read on this board, my understanding was the Joppru was 4th on the depth chart basically because he has basically never taken a live game snap (pre-season included).

O.G.
05-18-2005, 09:23 AM
Cool, that's exactly what I wanted to know. So he is decent, not spectacular. I can live with that. If he is between B. Miller and M. Bruener, I'm happy.

KingRat
05-18-2005, 10:18 AM
Rivers wouldn't have been given much chance in NY once loud mouth Shockey got there. He may be coming into his prime four years in the league. Gotta be as good or better than we have now. :twocents:

edo783
05-18-2005, 10:56 AM
Sounds like a better blocker than reciever which may be a good thing at this point. Just has to have better hands than Brunner which shouldn't be to hard to do and block better than Miller which again shouldn't be to hard to do. Personally, I would preffer Franks, but who knows, may be a reasonablly good TE and probably a LOT less money.

El Tejano
05-18-2005, 11:10 AM
Yeah, we probably have heard the last of Mr Joppru.

Porky
05-18-2005, 12:06 PM
I know he has at least some starts with the Giants. I remember him from OK State. I think he was actually an undrafted FA in 01.

The good news is he fits right in with the new look Taiters, or is it Rexans?

Quote:
Marcellus Rivers of the New York Giants and Alvin Porter of the Baltimore Ravens reached a settlement with a woman who accused the former Oklahoma State players of sexual assault in 1999.

link (http://espn.go.com/nfl/news/2003/0704/1576714.html)

Here is the great Joel Buscbaum's assessment of Rivers in 2001:
Notes: Partial qualifier in 1997 who was not allowed to play. Shared time at tight end in ’98 and started about half the games while catching 22 passes for 335 yards and four touchdowns. Cowboys’ pass-catching tight end in ’99, when he caught 27-336-4 and won second-team All-Big 12 honors, although he only started three games. Was basically used as a slot receiver in 2000, when he caught 19-292-2.

Positives: Good target with very good athletic ability. Appears to have soft hands and will make some tough catches. Runs well for a tight end.

Negatives: Is not much of a blocker and seems to think of himself as a wide receiver. Lacks strength and is not a good weightroom guy. Too slow to be a wide receiver on the next level and will have to really upgrade his blocking to even be an H-back. Lacks consistency. Is a little late coming off the line of scrimmage on a lot of plays. Seems to lose concentration and focus. Has not worked hard enough to improve.

Summary: Needs to grow up and learn what it takes, but he has the physical tools to play at the next level as an H-back type if he realizes he no longer is on scholarship.
link (http://archive.profootballweekly.com/content/archives/draft_2000/scoutingreports_te.asp#TE-WR%20Marcellus%20Rivers)

mj.
05-18-2005, 12:12 PM
Here is what Mel Kiper said in an article about underated players for the 2001 draft:

Marcellus Rivers, TE, Oklahoma State: Shared the spotlight at tight end with fellow seniors Khary Jackson and Bryan Blackwood while also operating in an offense that didn't allow his skills as a pass receiver to be maximized. Rivers is an athletically gifted performer with the ability to stretch the deep middle and then adjust to haul in the poorly thrown ball.

edo783
05-18-2005, 12:33 PM
Guess I got it wrong. Looks more like a reciever type than a blocker type. Hope he can block better than Billy.

infantrycak
05-18-2005, 01:01 PM
It has been reported by someone at hpf.com that ESPN's crawler is reporting Rivers signed with the Texans.

ArlingtonTexan
05-18-2005, 01:07 PM
Guess I got it wrong. Looks more like a reciever type than a blocker type. Hope he can block better than Billy.

I was going by memory on the blocker thing, but i do know from looking around that he probably has not made more than 20-25 catches and 3 or 4 TDs over that time.

aj.
05-18-2005, 01:13 PM
He's been primarily a backup - maybe five or six starts in his career. He's a body and he will be given a golden opportunity to prove what he can do here.

beerlover
05-18-2005, 01:33 PM
he was drafted by the Giants in the 11th round in 2001. cannot block, did 7 reps @ 225 coming out of OSU, thats soft but reportedly he uses those soft hands to catch the ball very well :ouch:

Porky
05-18-2005, 01:42 PM
he was drafted by the Giants in the 11th round in 2001. cannot block, did 7 reps @ 225 coming out of OSU, thats soft but reportedly he uses those soft hands to catch the ball very well :ouch:

11th round? That's odd, considering the draft only has 7 rounds. :dangit:

Porky
05-18-2005, 01:51 PM
Here is a link (http://www.jt-sw.com/football/pro/index.nsf/Documents/2001-draft) to the entire 2001 NFL draft. Rivers is nowhere to be found that I can see. I am even more sure than earlier that he was an undrafted FA. Or maybe he was chosen in round 32. :confused:

D-ReK
05-18-2005, 01:54 PM
This is what AOL Sports (http://fantasysports.aol.com/fb/playerProfile.cfm?pid=1580) has to say about him:

All he does is catch touchdowns. An undrafted free agent in 2001, Rivers impressed the Giants with his size, work ethic, and good hands. In return, they've thrown him a few bones in the red zone. We like his potential as a pass-catcher, but he needs to improve on his blocking.

Sounds an awful lot like Billy Miller...

briptexanfan
05-18-2005, 03:18 PM
saw this on tv just now on espn news

El Tejano
05-18-2005, 03:29 PM
Maybe he can at least get open.

If we go with a two TE set, at least his hands will be better than Bruener's.

jacquescas
05-18-2005, 03:36 PM
I think this is about the best we could hope for, Franks seems like a knee jerk reaction, there is a reason he hasn't gotten looked at this offseason, either GB will retain him or match an offer or something about him.

Maybe someone's TE will fall out of favor. Jerrmay Stevens in seattle is always an option for that. I'm sorry but with this many lower body injuries i dont see Joppru being in the picture again. he will go on the IR AGAIN. He will be asked to re-struture his deal if he doesn't he will be cut.

THEFUTURE
05-18-2005, 03:36 PM
he cant be a worse blocker than billy, i mean billy is bad... so ill take rivers, even if he is just avg blocker. some kind of dual TE threat at least

D-ReK
05-18-2005, 04:15 PM
Texans | Rivers Signed - from www.KFFL.com
Wed, 18 May 2005 13:06:02 -0700

Updating an earlier story, the Associated Press reports the Houston Texans have signed free agent TE Marcellus Rivers (Giants) to an undisclosed contract.

O.G.
05-18-2005, 04:25 PM
Texans | Rivers Signed - from www.KFFL.com
Wed, 18 May 2005 13:06:02 -0700

Updating an earlier story, the Associated Press reports the Houston Texans have signed free agent TE Marcellus Rivers (Giants) to an undisclosed contract.

Now, let's see if we can get Boulware!

Vinny
05-18-2005, 05:03 PM
Carter just finished his profile. Looks like he is number 45 for now.

http://www.houstontexans.com/team/roster_detail.php?PRKey=171

royce1054
05-18-2005, 05:08 PM
I hope rivers will be a complete TE and not 1 sided. commenting on O.G. it looks as if he is in good shape. If we can work something out with him i think he would have a great season and be back to form.... just my specualtion

KingRat
05-18-2005, 06:17 PM
what do miller and brueners' contracts look like, stacked up with rivers?

anyone know? <:~ Rat

outofhnd
05-19-2005, 12:01 AM
We dont Need Stellar blocking but he has better size than miller who looks kinda short rivers is 6 5 i think miller is like 6 - 6'2...

Hopefully he can do well enough to be an all around tight end unless bruener's hands have undergone a metamorphsis.

beerlover
05-19-2005, 01:39 AM
11th round? That's odd, considering the draft only has 7 rounds. :dangit:

I know it sounds funny but 2001 was the last year they went 12 rounds. here is the link for Rivers selection- http://home.comcast.net/~kenbarrett/sports/sfl/drafts/2001/rd11.htm

it looks funny (check out the names) because its early fantasy drafting, this stuff is classic :rofl:

oops it was 1992 the last year the NFL draft was 12 rounds. this was strictly a fantasy draft. Riley was undrafted, but if they did have 12 rounds he would have been selected in the 11th :heh: just kidding

Vinny
05-19-2005, 01:47 AM
His Texans bio has him as an undrafted FA signed by the Giants in 01PRO: Hard-nosed physical tight end who will challenge for a roster spot…signed by the Texans as an unrestricted free agent on 5/18/05 after spending his first four seasons with the Giants…has 27 career catches for 227 yards (8.4 avg.) and four TDs…can also boast 55 special teams tackles…originally signed by the Giants as an undrafted free agent on 4/27/01. http://www.houstontexans.com/team/roster_detail.php?PRKey=171

Human Highlight Reel
05-19-2005, 11:30 AM
What's your opinion on this sign?

edo783
05-19-2005, 12:33 PM
Looks to me to be a temporary type of player that they hope might work out better than expected.

El Tejano
05-19-2005, 12:54 PM
I just hope Marcellus doesn't leave our team to make a rap album.

throwANDREtheBALL
05-21-2005, 04:59 PM
I think that his blocking improved quite a bit since he was in college.
I've seen Rivers play in a couple of games and his blocking looks decent. He's definitely a better blocker than Miller. He's not quite as fast as miller and his hands aren't as good. But, he is much faster than Bruener and his hands are quite better. Pat Kirwan had him rated the #2 TE available behind Cam Cleeland, but, I think Cleeland is as slow as Bruener. I think Cam's hands are better than Bruener's, but he can't block as well. So why would we want another slow TE ? I think out of the choices Rivers was the best choice for us. Unless they went after Bubba Franks, obviously. But, since they didn't sign him, hopefully they are saving that cap room to improve the line.

To tell you the truth, I think that Rivers is a better player right now that Joppru. Rivers has played four years already, and he's a decent red zone target, since 4 of his 27 catches were for touchdowns. 15% isn't too shabby. So he should give Carr another redzone target, wouldn't that be nice.

My predictions for Rivers 38 catches, 336 yards, 5 TDs

I hope I'm wrong and he does better than that.

TexanFan881
05-21-2005, 05:12 PM
My predictions for Rivers 38 catches, 336 yards, 5 TDs

Honestly, I think that is just a bit too high. His last four years he doesn't even have those totals. I think that Rivers might get about 20 catches, 215 yards, and about 3 TD's. The Texans have some good WR's so I don't think that he will do that good.

royce1054
05-21-2005, 06:05 PM
Would anybody like to see a 2 TE formation with Rivers and Miller... That should open up the middle of the field.

throwANDREtheBALL
05-24-2005, 05:11 PM
"SCOUTING REPORT: The Texans were scrambling for tight end depth after losing Bennie Joppru for a third consecutive season and were fortunate to acquire Marcellus Rivers, who spent the past three seasons with the New York Giants. Rivers isn't likely to compete for a starting job, but he does give the team a proven blocker in the running game and decent receiver in the passing game. A solid showing during training camp could put Rivers in position for significant playing time in a rotation that figures to include Mark Bruener, Billy Miller and Matt Murphy." FOXSPORTS


Here's the link http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/3633156


So its not just me that thinks, Rivers can block and catch, I don't know about you guys but, I like this guy a lot more that Joppru....Since I've already seen this guy play and he's a reliable weapon in the red zone. Plus he's got some NFL starts, where Joppru didn't even have an NFL snap.

TheOgre
05-24-2005, 05:21 PM
Would anybody like to see a 2 TE formation with Rivers and Miller... That should open up the middle of the field.

For us or the defense? :brickwall

royce1054
05-25-2005, 08:20 AM
I mean it should open up the middle of the field haveing Rivers and Millers being TE bc if the D is lined up where the LB are covering them then we could run a Gaffney, Bradford, or AJ over the middle and hope to get some open room for a catch and run... jmo

Mr Shush
05-26-2005, 08:22 AM
Why does the report think he's unlikely to start? It's not like he's got much to beat out. The fact that he couldn't get in ahead of Shockey is hardly a reason to think he's not better than Miller or Bruener.

ccdude730
05-26-2005, 09:04 AM
Why does the report think he's unlikely to start? It's not like he's got much to beat out. The fact that he couldn't get in ahead of Shockey is hardly a reason to think he's not better than Miller or Bruener.

but can he catch and beat a LB better than miller?

can he seal a block better than bruener?

i think until he proves himself in training camp and preseason that he is a ligit threat in both aspects he wont be in the starting lineup. JMO

El Tejano
05-26-2005, 09:17 AM
I wonder if he's faster than Miller.

jacquescas
05-26-2005, 01:37 PM
whats up with murphy? isn't he our former basketballer? is he ready yet?

Mr Shush
05-26-2005, 01:43 PM
I very much doubt he's as good a blocker as Bruener, and he may well be a weaker pass-catcher than Miller. But if he's a better target than Bruener, and a better blocker than Miller - both likely - surely the flexibility that would add to our playcalling is a potential reason for him to start?

mj.
05-26-2005, 01:45 PM
but can he catch and beat a LB better than miller?

can he seal a block better than bruener?


I think you have it flipped.
Rivers can get playing time if....

he can seal a block better that Miller
AND
he can catch and beat an LB better than Breuner.

throwANDREtheBALL
05-26-2005, 01:53 PM
Where as the other two guys we have on our roster at TE, have evolved into specialists.

Billy is just a big wide reciever, and I think Andre Johnson can outblock him anyday. Billy is only a pass catching specialist (and even at that he's not that great)

Mark is just an undersized lineman, who would probably be a better fit at Center then he is at TE. He is in no way a complete TE. Only a blocking Tight End, and those are pretty easy to find. (Former OL Eric Beverly has been switched to blocking TE for his team, and he can probably catch better than Bruener)

Marcellus Rivers is a complete TE, no, he can't run as fast as MILLER and he can't block quite as well as Bruener..........but, he can do both, which the other guys can't. Rivers isn't the best TE in confernce, but, he's way better than those two (complete Tight End imposters)

dalemurphy
05-26-2005, 02:01 PM
Where as the other two guys we have on our roster at TE, have evolved into specialists.

Billy is just a big wide reciever, and I think Andre Johnson can outblock him anyday. Billy is only a pass catching specialist (and even at that he's not that great)

Mark is just an undersized lineman, who would probably be a better fit at Center then he is at TE. He is in no way a complete TE. Only a blocking Tight End, and those are pretty easy to find. (Former OL Eric Beverly has been switched to blocking TE for his team, and he can probably catch better than Bruener)

Marcellus Rivers is a complete TE, no, he can't run as fast as MILLER and he can't block quite as well as Bruener..........but, he can do both, which the other guys can't. Rivers isn't the best TE in confernce, but, he's way better than those two (complete Tight End imposters)

I'm going to say that Rivers can run as fast as Billy Miller. Miller's problem isn't simply that he can't block, but it is that he can't block nor can he create matchup problems for a defense in the passing game. Whereas Tony G. demands a form of double coverage or a CB on him, Billy Miller can be handled easily with a SS or good cover LB. If you watch Baltimore (Heap), KC (Tony), SD (Gates), Dallas (Witten)... they move the TEs around, split them wide, etc... in order to exploit matchups or even just to open up a portion of the field... If Houston did that with Billy Miller, the only reaction you'd get from the defense would be a yawn.

throwANDREtheBALL
05-26-2005, 02:17 PM
But, I always try to give the other guys the benefit of the doubt.

I totally agree with you though, Miller is consistent at not getting open. And I think its part of his lack of knowledge of holes in a defense of where to find the open spaces as well as his losing a step.

Vinny
05-27-2005, 04:20 PM
Looks like the Browns were pursuing Rivers as well...

http://dawgtalk.clevelandbrowns.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=1119670&page=1&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1

O.G.
05-27-2005, 05:51 PM
Looks like the Browns were pursuing Rivers as well...

http://dawgtalk.clevelandbrowns.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=1119670&page=1&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1


Lol, I like some of the post they have

jacquescas
05-27-2005, 06:06 PM
here is a quote from that cleveland message board...


The Texans are starting to TICK me off.

You read my mind.

Who havn't they signed this offseason. All I'm saying is they better stay away from Boulware or I may have to do what I allways swore I would never do again ...go to texas

Its funny cause from our point of view we havn't signed anyone. who else did we steal from these cleveland fans, other than Rivers, Riley and Greenwood i'm having a tough time finding another free agent we signed. its funny how perception changes from team to team

Rovator
05-27-2005, 07:00 PM
We signed one of their former CB's - Sanders.

throwANDREtheBALL
05-28-2005, 02:50 PM
We should be nice and give them Riley back........unless they are willing to take Mckinney as a sacrificial gift ?

Texan Dave
05-28-2005, 04:22 PM
Guys, I'm sorry, but I think it's kind of sad that everyone is taking Rivers, and making him sound like the savior of our tight end problems. He was another teams backup, he will probably wind up being our backup. He might be better than what we already have, but he probably won't, that's just the facts of life. I just hate to see everyone get all excited about someone comming in from another team, that wasn't great, and be expected by everyone else to be something great. Everyone is going to talk bad about him and talk bad about the Texans staff if he isn't, and they're saying up front that the guy isn't anything special. Just like with Bruener, nobody ever said that he was going to be all pro, he's a blocking tight end, that's all he's ever been, and he's really good at it, good enough that he's made a good career for himself at it. Taking a guy like Rivers, who in my openion, from what the I'm hearing from the articles, is ok at blocking, and ok at catching, doesn't make him a total package, it makes him an ok tight end. I've also heard on this board that all Antonio Gates, and Tony Gonzales are any good for is catching passes, I'm sorry guys but running backs don't rush for 1,700 yards with a tight end that can't block up on the line. Yes a great tight end can put an average offense into a whole new dimension, but it's not a requirement. The Stealers made some really good playoff runs, with the exact same tight end we have right now, playing the exact same role that he's playing right now. You don't have to have a pass catching tight end to beat the cover 2, you run at it, if they're in cover 2 their safeties aren't in the box, we ran poorly against the colts the first time we played them. The second time we played them the penalties killed us, any time you play the colts it's going to come down to running the ball, and not making mental mistakes, that's how new england kills them every time they face them. You have got to run the ball on the cover 2, and force them to bring the strong safety into the box, and then pass on them. If you have penalties, they don't have to worry with your running game, and if you're not running well, they don't have to worry with it. With the way we played against the cover 2 last year, we could have had Tony Gonzales on our team, and it wouldn't have done one bit of good. If you aren't good enough to run on them, you simply will loose the game, no way around it.

throwANDREtheBALL
05-30-2005, 01:42 PM
The fact still remains that he's more of a complete TE than the other two.

FACT 1 - Rivers blocks better than Miller

FACT 2 - Rivers catches and gets open more often than Bruener

Conclusion - He's a more complete TE than those two, whether he's an OK tight end or not...........he's still going to bring a slight level of guessing to the defense when he steps on the field. Since right now when we bring in Miller they know its probably pass, and when we bring in Bruener they know its probably run.

I don't know about you, but, I like it when the defense doesn't know when we're going to run or pass.

O.G.
05-30-2005, 02:04 PM
The fact still remains that he's more of a complete TE than the other two.

FACT 1 - Rivers blocks better than Miller

FACT 2 - Rivers catches and gets open more often than Bruener

Conclusion - He's a more complete TE than those two, whether he's an OK tight end or not...........he's still going to bring a slight level of guessing to the defense when he steps on the field. Since right now when we bring in Miller they know its probably pass, and when we bring in Bruener they know its probably run.

I don't know about you, but, I like it when the defense doesn't know when we're going to run or pass.

That pretty much sum'd it up

jacquescas
05-30-2005, 02:33 PM
obviously Rivers isn't considered that great of a TE prospect since he has been on the market until now and most of us that weren't madden junkies couldn't really say who he was before that.

that being said it goes to show how weak our TE ranks really are.

Texan Dave
05-31-2005, 07:02 PM
The fact still remains that he's more of a complete TE than the other two.

FACT 1 - Rivers blocks better than Miller

FACT 2 - Rivers catches and gets open more often than Bruener

Conclusion - He's a more complete TE than those two, whether he's an OK tight end or not...........he's still going to bring a slight level of guessing to the defense when he steps on the field. Since right now when we bring in Miller they know its probably pass, and when we bring in Bruener they know its probably run.

I don't know about you, but, I like it when the defense doesn't know when we're going to run or pass.

No, the fact is that he may not block as well as Miller, and he may not catch as well as Bruener. The fact is that he's a career backup so for, and has a LOT to prove before you should put any hopes or dreams into him at all. You will also be one of the first ones to down him and the coaching staff for picking him up when he flops. Just because a guys ok on John Maden football doesn't mean the same is true in real life. Tight ends don't come around easily like running backs, the Texans won't get a good one untill they draft one, or develope a good athelete into one. If Rivers was worth having as young for a TE as he is, the Giants would've kept him, Shockey or no Shockey. This whole take someone elses 2'nd or 3'rd string football player and try to make him into our hero mentality has to stop, it's just silly.

El Tejano
05-31-2005, 08:30 PM
This whole take someone elses 2'nd or 3'rd string football player and try to make him into our hero mentality has to stop, it's just silly.
I think this is part of us having to go through the expansion years where we had to make something out of nothing. It will be over soon.

Texan Dave
05-31-2005, 09:26 PM
I think this is part of us having to go through the expansion years where we had to make something out of nothing. It will be over soon.

This is true, I guess everyone is going to have to learn to set the bar higher than that. This is year 4, their is no more expansion team, win or lose, expansion is no longer an excuse.

Texansbacker
05-31-2005, 10:06 PM
What are the chances that Matt Murphy will be a viable option? I do not know too much about him other than what I have read on the Texans website bio on him....tough, physical 6'5'' 260. I also saw that he had 5 receptions in the Orange Bowl so he must have pretty good hands. Could be a nice story and I could win the lottery.

As far as Marcellus Rivers is concerned, his bio is definitley lacking to say the least; and it is not like he has not had an ample opportunity given the multiple injuries to Shockey last year and also the pre-Shock years. Rivers will surely disappoint if you expect greatness and will not be much (if any) improvement over Bruener and Miller; at least based on his past 5 years of production with the Giants. The fact that Rivers is a good special teams player and he can provide needed depth at a reasonable price is likely the reason behind his signing. Certainly not that Marcellus Rivers was going to be a breakout tight-end this season, ala Antonio Gates last year, but a good signing none-the-less as it helps provide experienced depth. After all, he must have been doing something right if NY kept him for 5-years.

Texan Dave
06-01-2005, 03:31 AM
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After all, he must have been doing something right if NY kept him for 5-years.

Special teams will take you a long ways in the NFL.

Mr Shush
06-01-2005, 12:48 PM
I don't think anyone is saying that Rivers is going to be a stud (I'm certainly not): the disagreement really seems to centre on just how inadequate you feel Bruener and Miller are.

Texan Dave
06-01-2005, 07:10 PM
I don't think anyone is saying that Rivers is going to be a stud (I'm certainly not): the disagreement really seems to centre on just how inadequate you feel Bruener and Miller are.

Yeah, I can understand that, I'm not defending them in any way. I'm just saying not to expect this guy to be any better at all, because he'll probably be worse, as impossible as it seems to be. The one thing everyone has to remember is that Bruener isn't a terrible tight end, he's just not a recieving tight end. Miller on the other hand, he's pretty terrible. Just remember that their's teams all over the NFL that are beating the cover 2 with their running game, not their tight end, the running game is the more sound way to beat the cover 2, and Bruener is perfect for that. I also read today that they've been working Wells at fullback, a fullback that can catch as good as Wells out of the backfeild will relieve the need for a pass catching tight end. Wells has the speed to make a diference at fullback, plus it will give you 2 guys who are proven to be capable of running a hundred yards in a game in the backfeild at the same time. Not saying that we'll be running the fullback trap or anything, but they just know that the ball can be put into his hands and he can hurt them with it.