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beerlover
05-25-2012, 12:22 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/mcnair-thinks-city-lead-super-174019367--nfl.html

thoughts? I like it myself, take some initiative & resolve Astrodome while they're at it making Houston a Big Venue destination for real....Colon was speaking at a presentation where consultants recommended turning the dormant Astrodome into a multipurpose facility, at a cost of about $270 million. The consultants also recommended a $385 million project that included a new 10,000-seat arena, exhibition space and a 2,500-3,000-seat parking garage at Reliant Park.

ckhouston
05-25-2012, 12:34 PM
Maybe a future Olympic bid?

Yankee_In_TX
05-25-2012, 12:38 PM
Hate it.

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=92268

Yankee_In_TX
05-25-2012, 12:41 PM
The largest issue with sporting event bids is the media is either:

(1) at the crown plaza (shabby hotel, bad neighborhood and not good eateries nearby)

or

(2) downtown (then they complain they are too far from Reliant).


The 'studies' swear up and down no hotel in its right mind would build there (see my thread) and every 'proposal' that studies approve seem to be a waste of taxpayer money to build more things for the rodeo, IMHO.

Premier
05-25-2012, 11:49 PM
houstonians are the only people who call the astronome the 8th wonder of the world..

imatexan
05-26-2012, 12:45 AM
houstonians are the only people who call the astronome the 8th wonder of the world..

Not true, many people all over the nation/world do.

Especially when it first opened.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighth_Wonder_of_the_World

Premier
05-26-2012, 01:34 AM
Not true, many people all over the nation/world do.

Especially when it first opened.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighth_Wonder_of_the_World

people all over the world do not call the astrodome the 8th wonder of the world.. i doubt many other countries know it even exist.. it has its place in history and was once referenced as the 8th wonder but no one outside of texas calls it that..before the internet /information age i never knew many of those other things were referred to as the 8th wonders also.. its a regional thing..

Corrosion
05-26-2012, 02:11 AM
Too bad AstroWorld is no more .... Allowing that to leave Houston was a mistake IMO and added to the "To do list" when in the area , especially once they added Waterworld and Southern Star to the mix. The complex was a one stop shop for entertainment .... Now people spend their disposable income in Dallas and San Antonio instead ....


I have no idea what to do with the Astrodome .... When you have Reliant Stadium next door , its kinda redundant and antiquated to top it off.
There has to be a better use for the space it occupies than parking.

ObsiWan
05-26-2012, 06:37 AM
Too bad AstroWorld is no more .... Allowing that to leave Houston was a mistake IMO and added to the "To do list" when in the area , especially once they added Waterworld and Southern Star to the mix. The complex was a one stop shop for entertainment .... Now people spend their disposable income in Dallas and San Antonio instead ....


I have no idea what to do with the Astrodome .... When you have Reliant Stadium next door , its kinda redundant and antiquated to top it off.
There has to be a better use for the space it occupies than parking.

I agree. Building another frickin' parking lot lacks vision and imagination. A sports complex for high school playoff games (so they won't rip up Reliant field for the big boys). Or maybe make it a centerpiece track & field complex for the Texas Relays and AAU pre-Olympic trials. A downtown park center maybe like a Discovery Green on steroids...

Hell, I dunno... I lack vision and imagination. Who are the business visionaries in our group? I'm a rocket guy.

EllisUnit
05-26-2012, 08:17 AM
people all over the world do not call the astrodome the 8th wonder of the world.. i doubt many other countries know it even exist.. it has its place in history and was once referenced as the 8th wonder but no one outside of texas calls it that..before the internet /information age i never knew many of those other things were referred to as the 8th wonders also.. its a regional thing..

NOT NOW, but back in the day they did.

Corrosion
05-26-2012, 08:58 AM
I agree. Building another frickin' parking lot lacks vision and imagination. A sports complex for high school playoff games (so they won't rip up Reliant field for the big boys). Or maybe make it a centerpiece track & field complex for the Texas Relays and AAU pre-Olympic trials. A downtown park center maybe like a Discovery Green on steroids...

Hell, I dunno... I lack vision and imagination. Who are the business visionaries in our group? I'm a rocket guy.

The bold would be my choice ... Need some green in the middle of all that concrete and steel.

Yankee_In_TX
05-26-2012, 10:45 AM
Hell, I dunno... I lack vision and imagination. Who are the business visionaries in our group? I'm a rocket guy.

Like I said in the other thread - for the on site venues (Astrodome and Reliant Arena) the rodeo will block anything that doesn't benefit them (more meeting spaces).

Across the street (Astorworld), well, I have no idea why it has not been developed.

The studies happen to say that no private investor would ever build a hotel down their due to low projected occupancy rates.

IF that is true, they screw it, build a parking lot and plant some trees.

I happen to personally think the studies say what the rodeo wants.

Rey
05-26-2012, 10:50 AM
Just build something useful.

Stemp
05-26-2012, 10:51 AM
Too bad AstroWorld is no more .... Allowing that to leave Houston was a mistake IMO and added to the "To do list" when in the area , especially once they added Waterworld and Southern Star to the mix. The complex was a one stop shop for entertainment .... Now people spend their disposable income in Dallas and San Antonio instead ....



The city didn't "allow" it to leave. Six Flags shut it down because they were losing money. The other Six Flags parks are head and shoulders above Astroworld and as fun as it was, it simply couldn't hold a candle to the other parks. If Astroworld was so great and making them a bunch of money, they wouldn't have closed it down.

NitroGSXR
05-26-2012, 11:46 AM
The city didn't "allow" it to leave. Six Flags shut it down because they were losing money. The other Six Flags parks are head and shoulders above Astroworld and as fun as it was, it simply couldn't hold a candle to the other parks. If Astroworld was so great and making them a bunch of money, they wouldn't have closed it down.

Yup. We were there when Greezed Lightning was auctioned (did not meet reserve. in fact I think only Gunslinger met the reserve). My brother picked up the famous Sword in the Stone sign and my ma got a Bluebonnet sign that was put up near the Astroway. I got nothing. I was broke then but I really enjoyed looking at the stuff upclose. I sat in an Ultra Twister car laying on the ground. :(

Sux Flags made a mistake when they shut that park down. All the parks were losing money. They only sold it because it was WORTH MORE as a vacant lot and couple that after they had that 25 million dollar failure in the Texas Tornado ride a couple years earlier. Some people say that it shut down because it was an inexpensive daycare for their teens. A season pass was like 40 bucks. It became a dangerous place, a definite fixable problem with more security. Sux flags saw all the potential money that the shiny new stadium across the street brought in. Their extortion plans failed though. Sux flags sucks.

BTW... this picture was taken last weekend. We go again next weekend but to Dallas instead.

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c242/NitroHonda/Fiesta.jpg

Corrosion
05-26-2012, 12:31 PM
We go again next weekend but to Dallas instead.



Like I said above .... Dallas and San Antonio are getting that disposable income instead of Houston now ....:choke:

Marcus
05-26-2012, 02:20 PM
There has to be a better use for the space it occupies than parking.

Um ... no, there's not.

I agree. Building another frickin' parking lot lacks vision and imagination. A sports complex for high school playoff games (so they won't rip up Reliant field for the big boys). Or maybe make it a centerpiece track & field complex for the Texas Relays and AAU pre-Olympic trials. A downtown park center maybe like a Discovery Green on steroids...

Hell, I dunno... I lack vision and imagination. Who are the business visionaries in our group? I'm a rocket guy.

It's not the visions and imaginations that are lacking. What's lacking are the funds to back up these visions and imaginations. You hear all these 'visions and imaginations' in all these "studies" that cost at least 50,000 tax-payer dollars a pop.

Put an end to all idealistic visions and imaginations, and get practical for a change. Tear the thing down, turn it into a parking lot, and use the parking fees to clear that 29.5 million that's still owed on the Dome off the books.

GuerillaBlack
05-26-2012, 03:48 PM
Like I said above .... Dallas and San Antonio are getting that disposable income instead of Houston now ....:choke:

But Houston receives more visitors than DFW...international and domestic. The tourism in Houston, for now, is all centered around the Bay Area and Galveston. I can't tell you how many times I have had classmates up here go to Houston for a vacation. It is in the middle of the prairie, so we all feel trapped up here.

beerlover
05-26-2012, 04:13 PM
McNair is a visionary, afterall he brought us the Texans :logo:

In end his family will serve Houston best interest of that I'm certain.

CloakNNNdagger
05-26-2012, 05:17 PM
Too bad AstroWorld is no more .... Allowing that to leave Houston was a mistake IMO and added to the "To do list" when in the area , especially once they added Waterworld and Southern Star to the mix. The complex was a one stop shop for entertainment .... Now people spend their disposable income in Dallas and San Antonio instead ....


I have no idea what to do with the Astrodome .... When you have Reliant Stadium next door , its kinda redundant and antiquated to top it off.
There has to be a better use for the space it occupies than parking.

I've asked myself many times..........what huge city doesn't have a major amusement park besides Houston.

Arlington's Six Flags generates an attendance of ~3 million..........in 4 months. Six Flags folded in Houston because of poor business moves and mismanagement, and arguing amongst the stockholders and management. Stop worrying about how to generate revenues utilizing the Astrodome (which is highly unlikely) and get these big buck investors to collaborate with the city to build a 9th Wonder(land) of the world right here in Houston!:tiphat:

NitroGSXR
05-26-2012, 05:36 PM
I've asked myself many times..........what huge city doesn't have a major amusement park besides Houston.

Arlington's Six Flags generates an attendance of ~3 million..........in 4 months. Six Flags folded in Houston because of poor business moves and mismanagement, and arguing amongst the stockholders and management. Stop worrying about how to generate revenues utilizing the Astrodome (which is highly unlikely) and get these big buck investors to collaborate with the city to build a 9th Wonder(land) of the world right here in Houston!:tiphat:

www.earthquestadventures.com

ChampionTexan
05-26-2012, 05:52 PM
www.earthquestadventures.com

Hopefully you don't have a trip planned any time soon.

earthquest_going_nowhere (http://blogs.houstonpress.com/hairballs/2012/04/earthquest_going_nowhere.php)

NitroGSXR
05-26-2012, 06:04 PM
Hopefully you don't have a trip planned any time soon.

earthquest_going_nowhere (http://blogs.houstonpress.com/hairballs/2012/04/earthquest_going_nowhere.php)

I heard and have previously read that article. Some shady business dealings going down. Either way, I am still optimistic that something will get done soon. Too much money has been spent. We just need to remove Don Holbrook from the equation.

GuerillaBlack
05-26-2012, 07:55 PM
I've asked myself many times..........what huge city doesn't have a major amusement park besides Houston.

Arlington's Six Flags generates an attendance of ~3 million..........in 4 months. Six Flags folded in Houston because of poor business moves and mismanagement, and arguing amongst the stockholders and management. Stop worrying about how to generate revenues utilizing the Astrodome (which is highly unlikely) and get these big buck investors to collaborate with the city to build a 9th Wonder(land) of the world right here in Houston!:tiphat:

Six Flags in Arlington is actually open more than four months. I don't think it will be too long before a new theme park is built. The Houston area has 6.2M and is growing at 130K a year. Plus, the location in the middle of the country is ideal. Astroworld closed and then the economy happened. Pleasure Pier in Galveston just opened, and that thing has a few roller coasters on it.

redwhiteblue
05-26-2012, 08:24 PM
put a disney facility in the astroworld lot and put hotels and restaurants where the astrodome is

you're welcome

CloakNNNdagger
05-26-2012, 09:55 PM
The city will probably nix the idea of a mega theme park in the Astrodome/Reliant area because they will have to add 3 extra traffic cops to manage the flow.:mcnugget:

HouSportsWriter
05-26-2012, 10:10 PM
Yup. We were there when Greezed Lightning was auctioned (did not meet reserve. in fact I think only Gunslinger met the reserve). My brother picked up the famous Sword in the Stone sign and my ma got a Bluebonnet sign that was put up near the Astroway. I got nothing. I was broke then but I really enjoyed looking at the stuff upclose. I sat in an Ultra Twister car laying on the ground. :(

Sux Flags made a mistake when they shut that park down. All the parks were losing money. They only sold it because it was WORTH MORE as a vacant lot and couple that after they had that 25 million dollar failure in the Texas Tornado ride a couple years earlier. Some people say that it shut down because it was an inexpensive daycare for their teens. A season pass was like 40 bucks. It became a dangerous place, a definite fixable problem with more security. Sux flags saw all the potential money that the shiny new stadium across the street brought in. Their extortion plans failed though. Sux flags sucks.

BTW... this picture was taken last weekend. We go again next weekend but to Dallas instead.

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c242/NitroHonda/Fiesta.jpg

My first rollercoaster.. I was just tall enough to get on.. I have a very old picture of me at 5 years old trying to get the sword lol..

CloakNNNdagger
05-26-2012, 11:42 PM
This was what was to go up where Astroworld was........another death.

SOUTHPOINTE COMPLEX (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=813676)

ObsiWan
05-27-2012, 02:58 AM
Um ... no, there's not.



It's not the visions and imaginations that are lacking. What's lacking are the funds to back up these visions and imaginations. You hear all these 'visions and imaginations' in all these "studies" that cost at least 50,000 tax-payer dollars a pop.

Put an end to all idealistic visions and imaginations, and get practical for a change. Tear the thing down, turn it into a parking lot, and use the parking fees to clear that 29.5 million that's still owed on the Dome off the books.

Okay... speaking of "practical". What the hell is this massive parking lot for exactly?? You park because you're going shopping or going to a game or coming to a concert or even going to work. Those venues have parking covered. What customer/consumer base will support/populate this new massive parking lot?? There's no shopping in the vicinity. Most offices - court houses, med center, office buildings, etc. are miles away in downtown proper and have parking for their clientel covered. Reliant seems to have ample parking - although I could see them expanding tailgating into where the Dome is now. I see no customer base for this parking lot idea.

Marcus
05-27-2012, 04:11 AM
Okay... speaking of "practical". What the hell is this massive parking lot for exactly?? You park because you're going shopping or going to a game or coming to a concert or even going to work. Those venues have parking covered. What customer/consumer base will support/populate this new massive parking lot?? There's no shopping in the vicinity. Most offices - court houses, med center, office buildings, etc. are miles away in downtown proper and have parking for their clientel covered. Reliant seems to have ample parking - although I could see them expanding tailgating into where the Dome is now. I see no customer base for this parking lot idea.

You don't? Ten bucks to a donut Bob McNair sure would. You mentioned it yourself - expand tailgating, and then the Rodeo would fill those spots up in a heartbeat.

CloakNNNdagger
05-27-2012, 08:00 AM
Parking lots make money only when they are utilized. Arrowhead/Royals stadium has a huge expanse of surroundiing parking lots.....but the land is out in the boonies and relatively cheap. Reliant/Astroland parking lots are right in the middle of some of the most expensive land (one of the financial reasons that Astroworld was brought down). How often have you passed the parking lots, besides during Texans season and the Rodeo and the occasional weekend "shows," that you've seen any cars in those gargantuan lots? It's just like owning an empty lot in any expensive neighborhood. You better figure out how to use that land by putting up a house or a money making business machine or something that will work for you 24/7/365, or the taxes alone will eat you up. Making more parking at Reliant may stop a part of some of the bleeding, but long term, it will be like putting a peanut butter concession stand in the middle of the Sahara............it won't bring the treasure hunters.

Kthx
05-27-2012, 12:05 PM
http://i.imgur.com/fotDj.jpg

But seriously, Angry bird themepark in the dome.

Also sorry for breaking the tables, I suck at this whole copy.pasting thing.

Marcus
05-27-2012, 01:02 PM
Parking lots make money only when they are utilized. Arrowhead/Royals stadium has a huge expanse of surroundiing parking lots.....but the land is out in the boonies and relatively cheap. Reliant/Astroland parking lots are right in the middle of some of the most expensive land (one of the financial reasons that Astroworld was brought down). How often have you passed the parking lots, besides during Texans season and the Rodeo and the occasional weekend "shows," that you've seen any cars in those gargantuan lots? It's just like owning an empty lot in any expensive neighborhood. You better figure out how to use that land by putting up a house or a money making business machine or something that will work for you 24/7/365, or the taxes alone will eat you up. Making more parking at Reliant may stop a part of some of the bleeding, but long term, it will be like putting a peanut butter concession stand in the middle of the Sahara............it won't bring the treasure hunters.

But it's better than nothing. And all that's come up so far is bull**** ideas that have absolutely no financial backing. A water park, a hotel, a casino, and aquarium, just nothing but empty proposals and studies, year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year.....

Enough. ENOUGH!!!!

CloakNNNdagger
05-27-2012, 01:11 PM
But it's better than nothing. And all that's come up so far is bull**** ideas that have absolutely no financial backing. A water park, a hotel, a casino, and aquarium, just nothing but empty proposals and studies, year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year.....

Enough. ENOUGH!!!!

I'm not implying that tearing it down to stop the bleeding is not a good idea. Just that it's sad that something cannot be worked out between the city and private entities to build a money making, large visitor attracting revenue venture like a theme park that this city is sorely missing.

infantrycak
05-27-2012, 03:36 PM
I'm not implying that tearing it down to stop the bleeding is not a good idea. Just that it's sad that something cannot be worked out between the city and private entities to build a money making, large visitor attracting revenue venture like a theme park that this city is sorely missing.

I haven't seen the studies but just anecdotally I have been out to many Reliant Center events like car shows, dog shows, boat shows and the parking for those events can get stacked. I just wonder how the parking would be if they tried to add a second event/attraction in the same area at the same time.

Having said that. What occurred to me was a combination of the ideas discussed above - the outer ring converted to clubs, restaurants, maybe a Texas sports museum, etc. with the main arena being converted to an indoor theme park. Mall of Americas has indoor rides.

CloakNNNdagger
05-27-2012, 04:47 PM
I haven't seen the studies but just anecdotally I have been out to many Reliant Center events like car shows, dog shows, boat shows and the parking for those events can get stacked. I just wonder how the parking would be if they tried to add a second event/attraction in the same area at the same time.

Having said that. What occurred to me was a combination of the ideas discussed above - the outer ring converted to clubs, restaurants, maybe a Texas sports museum, etc. with the main arena being converted to an indoor theme park. Mall of Americas has indoor rides.


You know what's funny? A prominent contractor here in Houston related to me a while back that a major factor capping the decision to finally close Astroworld was the inability to overcome the ever-growing parking conflicts generated by the Texans, the Rodeo and other Reliant events.