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CloakNNNdagger
05-24-2012, 07:46 PM
the facts as presented seem to be there.........and there has to be at least a semblance of concern over the "dynamic duo's" future together, even from the most loyal and the most optomistic. There are, indeed, some interesting facts that are not commonly put together.

BLEACHERREPORT: THE MATT AND ANDRE SHOW (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1192956-matt-schaub-and-andre-johnson-why-the-houston-texans-will-regress-next-year)

DX-TEX
05-24-2012, 08:02 PM
So basically they copied AFCS Blog "Worst case" from ESPN.com:

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/post/_/id/37215/texans-dreamnightmare-scenarios#comment

CloakNNNdagger
05-24-2012, 08:10 PM
So basically they copied AFCS Blog "Worst case" from ESPN.com:

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/post/_/id/37215/texans-dreamnightmare-scenarios#comment

That would be tough since the BleacherReport was published the day before.

DX-TEX
05-24-2012, 08:13 PM
That would be tough since the BleacherReport was published the day before.

Damn ESPN copying bleacher report!:kubepalm: :p

Either way, I have been saying it in numerous threads today: the lack of WR depth is really starting to worry me.

False Start
05-24-2012, 08:13 PM
I just dont think either of these guys know what the hell their talking about.

I just cant see this team dropping off that bad. :homer:

DX-TEX
05-24-2012, 08:21 PM
I just dont think either of these guys know what the hell their talking about.

I just cant see this team dropping off that bad. :homer:

I agree. On NFL Radio today they talked that losing Winston was the biggest loss by any team this year. ReallY? Guy can run block but his pass protection was pretty damn bad. Same way they throw losing Mario out there.

No one else notice he didnt play 3/4's of the season?

The WR thing does concern me greatly. I have friends who do keep up with the whole league and their concerns are the same as mine. Schaubs health and the WR depth.

The Pencil Neck
05-24-2012, 09:08 PM
Either way, I have been saying it in numerous threads today: the lack of WR depth is really starting to worry me.

Just now? I posted about my Kiddie Corner flashback fears with the WRs even before the draft.

But it's still May. There's plenty of time for either some moves to get some more experienced guys in here OR time for us to get these kids up to speed.

The thing is that WR is a position that frequently takes a few years to mature and develop. We've got some young talent there at WR. But it might not be ready fast enough.

Now, the word is that KW played through injuries last year. I don't know how true that is. But if he could get back to the player he was in 2008 (heck, I'd even settle for the player he was in 2010), we'll be OK.

But we also need our TE's to step up. We need OD and Casey to stay healthy. We need Garrett Graham to start producing.

Nawzer
05-24-2012, 09:38 PM
Anything can happen. Schaub and Johnson's injury history is something to think about, but there's nothing we can do about that. You hope players can step up in case of injuries and certainly last year that was the case.

Ryan
05-24-2012, 09:46 PM
He makes okay points on Andre and Schaub, but when he starts babbling about the defense, that's when i stopped reading. These media people still think that Demeco and Mario were the centerpieces of our defense, so they must not have watched a single game of ours last season. That's ignorant at best.

jradMIT
05-25-2012, 01:06 AM
When he said a full of new faces on defense, he pretty much proved he is grasping at straws.

All I know is that defense dominated Baltimore in the playoffs, flat out dominated, how many sacks did they have? They lost Demeco and Allen. IMO Allen was only good at the deep pass, playing the run and the short stuff he was hardly sufficient. Kareem IMO is the better of the two, if he can just get better at locating the ball in deep patterns he would be completely solid. But on the run and short stuff Kareem was very good. You have to think Harris, Carmichael or one of the other guys can step in a replace what Allen brought to the table. Plus you have to trust that Wade will utilize Jackson's strengths and minimize his weaknesses.

With Demeco, he only played 60% of the snaps and before Sharpton got hurt he was cutting into that. We are very thin at that position now, but Sharpton can definitely step in.

Besides that you have Merciless, Crick plus a nice young core of players. Only Antonio is older, everyone else you expect to get better or at least stay the same. This defense will most likely be top 5 or 10 at the very worst. They got better as the year went on. And with Cushing, Barwin, Reed, Watt, Quinn, and Jackson, You have to think that this group as a whole is better than they were last year.

People can point to the WR position which deeply concerns me, along with health, but when it comes to defense I think you would have to be smoking some of the good to think that the D cannot carry this team.

nero THE zero
05-25-2012, 08:42 AM
I agree. On NFL Radio today they talked that losing Winston was the biggest loss by any team this year. ReallY? Guy can run block but his pass protection was pretty damn bad. Same way they throw losing Mario out there.

No one else notice he didnt play 3/4's of the season?

The WR thing does concern me greatly. I have friends who do keep up with the whole league and their concerns are the same as mine. Schaubs health and the WR depth.

It's not so much just the loss of the player, rather the drop off from the guy who was cut/traded/not re-signed to the guy who's replacing him. Regardless of what you think about Winston's talents, it's point of fact that the guy who's replacing him is highly capable. In that way, the loss of Winston is not only not the biggest loss of any team in the NFL, it's not the biggest loss on our own offensive line.

Obviously, though, the team is doomed if we don't have our starting QB and #1 WR. That's almost tautological.

Brisco_County
05-25-2012, 08:51 AM
He quit researching when he got to the defense, so his conclusion isn't valid.

Good stats on Schaub and Andre, but the real determining factors for this season will be Schaub's recovery, then WR's #2b and #3 developing a relationship with him. It makes for a challenging September/October, but these things are on track to sort themselves out over 16 games. It seems foolish to jump to concluding "regression," especially considering how every sports writer who doesn't follow the team regularly seems completely incapable of understanding them.

Texan_Bill
05-25-2012, 08:51 AM
Damn ESPN copying bleacher report!:kubepalm: :p

Either way, I have been saying it in numerous threads today: the lack of WR depth is really starting to worry me.

Why would you expect more from that Tinnbred hack, Kuharsky??

run-david-run
05-25-2012, 05:05 PM
So after a very good season in which neither Andre or Matt played a big role due to injuries, the writer thinks we're going to turn into the Cleveland Browns this year...because Andre and Matt might get injured again.

Amazing logic.

The problem with high expectations is that there is a whole lot of room for failure. Unless we make a deep play-off run, this year will not be viewed as a step forward, and it's pretty damn hard to make a deep play-off run.
So it is not unlikely that we will fall short of that goal. But to say it is likely that we are going to regress from last season based on something that ALREADY HAPPENED last year is just idiotic. We overcame AJ and Matt going down and had very good results.
There is a very real threat that injuries will again derail our SuperBowl run, but to say we're going to become a bad to average team because of a set of circumstances we already overcame last season on the way to a good year is just nonsensical.

EllisUnit
05-25-2012, 06:41 PM
A gun may get old and worn out, but it can still kill you.

False Start
05-25-2012, 06:46 PM
Why would you expect more from that Tinnbred hack, Kuharsky??

Exactly! Dude is trash.

Corrosion
05-25-2012, 07:38 PM
I just dont think either of these guys know what the hell their talking about.

I just cant see this team dropping off that bad. :homer:

They won games last year with Yates & Jacoby Jones in place of Schaub & AJ.

The defense has likely gotten better since and they have added quality depth at WR ....


Hard for me to believe that they fall to .500 even under the worst of circumstances.

My biggest concern is the OL , specifically the right side and depth behind the starters.

CloakNNNdagger
05-25-2012, 08:01 PM
They won games last year with Yates & Jacoby Jones in place of Schaub & AJ.

The defense has likely gotten better since and they have added quality depth at WR ....


Hard for me to believe that they fall to .500 even under the worst of circumstances.

My biggest concern is the OL , specifically the right side and depth behind the starters.


I tend to agree with all you have posted except that I think our "new" right OL will pleasantly surprise many doubters. That said, I do still share your concern about our depth.

pec0sb0b
05-25-2012, 08:06 PM
The sportsbooks have the Texans over/under at ten wins.

Corrosion
05-25-2012, 08:31 PM
I tend to agree with all you have posted except that I think our "new" right OL will pleasantly surprise many doubters. That said, I do still share your concern about our depth.

Im not concerned about Butler at RT as he filled in very well for Brown when he was suspended.


Im not so sure Antoine Caldwell holds off Brandon Brooks at RG .... Caldwell wasnt very good when Briesel was out ....


The big question becomes , who's the swing tackle now that Butler is the starter .... that was a huge luxury to have a guy like that as depth. Behind Brown and Butler they have Newton and Gardner. Having one of those two protect Schaubs blind side is a scarry thought.

CloakNNNdagger
05-25-2012, 08:47 PM
Im not concerned about Butler at RT as he filled in very well for Brown when he was suspended.


Im not so sure Antoine Caldwell holds off Brandon Brooks at RG .... Caldwell wasnt very good when Briesel was out ....

The big question becomes , who's the swing tackle now that Butler is the starter .... that was a huge luxury to have a guy like that as depth. Behind Brown and Butler they have Newton and Gardner. Having one of those two protect Schaubs blind side is a scarry thought.

I have to give Caldwell the benefit of the doubt, as he was playing on ankles both being affected with high sprains. Most of us would have trouble just walking up hill with that type of injury. I have no doubt that his performance was directly negatively related to these injuries.

Corrosion
05-25-2012, 08:50 PM
I have to give Caldwell the benefit of the doubt, as he was playing on ankles both being affected with high sprains. Most of us would have trouble just walking up hill with that type of injury.

What does that say about Briesel .... what were his injuries ? I think he'll be missed .... I dont doubt that between Caldwell and Rookie Brooks , they will hold down the fort tho.


As I said above , the big questionmark becomes the swing tackle.

The Pencil Neck
05-25-2012, 09:09 PM
What does that say about Briesel .... what were his injuries ? I think he'll be missed .... I dont doubt that between Caldwell and Rookie Brooks , they will hold down the fort tho.


Brisiel had a broken leg and played the second half on it.


As I said above , the big questionmark becomes the swing tackle.

Newton, who I think is going to push Butler for the RT spot and I think Butler is good.

Prior to the draft, I wasn't worried about RT because between Butler and Newton, I think we're golden. My fear was at Guard. Learning about Caldwell's ankle sprains made me feel better. But Brooks? Brooks might not just push Caldwell for RG, he might push Butler and Newton for RT.

Corrosion
05-25-2012, 09:20 PM
Brisiel had a broken leg and played the second half on it.

What I was getting at was how tough the guy is playing on a broken leg. He's a throw back type player from a different era of NFL football.

I dont know if you can replace that kind of toughness.



Newton, who I think is going to push Butler for the RT spot and I think Butler is good.

Prior to the draft, I wasn't worried about RT because between Butler and Newton, I think we're golden. My fear was at Guard. Learning about Caldwell's ankle sprains made me feel better. But Brooks? Brooks might not just push Caldwell for RG, he might push Butler and Newton for RT.

What I saw of Newton last season didnt impress me , the drop off from Butler to Newton is significant IMO ..... which is why the swing tackle spot is my biggest concern.

I dont see Brooks pushing Butler .... But he could end up the starting RG , I almost expect that he does at some point this season supplant Caldwell.

badboy
05-25-2012, 09:34 PM
My logic may not be taut but I am going with it. We have only 3 weak positions imo kicker (resolved by Bullock), WR2 (resolution pending) and right guard. The latter may be corrected by a healed ankle on Caldwell and/or Brandon Brookes. The thing we should be concerned with is depth. Our Oline held together very well considering Briesel's broken leg and Caldwell's ankle. On defense Manning missed 3 games before returning to practice. The backups despite being average {if that} players did not hurt the team. However, we would be fortunate to have same priority type players out and expect our now back ups to do as well with exception of Yates.

While AJ & Matt did miss time, I look at them like basketball, if we can just get to the playoffs and both are healthy during that "new season" we will be in excellent shape. If Schaub and Johnson lose a step, these wily vets will make up for it with game knowledge.

The biggest plus for team and coaches is confidence. They know what they did last season with Rome burning around them. No one has touched on the biggest change I expect to see this season..both Wade Phillips and Kubiak will go deeper into their playbooks. We ain't seen nothing yet.

The Pencil Neck
05-25-2012, 10:14 PM
The biggest plus for team and coaches is confidence. They know what they did last season with Rome burning around them. No one has touched on the biggest change I expect to see this season..both Wade Phillips and Kubiak will go deeper into their playbooks. We ain't seen nothing yet.

An exceedingly good point.

Corrosion
05-25-2012, 10:24 PM
The biggest plus for team and coaches is confidence. They know what they did last season with Rome burning around them. No one has touched on the biggest change I expect to see this season..both Wade Phillips and Kubiak will go deeper into their playbooks. We ain't seen nothing yet.


An exceedingly good point.

Yes it is .... and one I didnt really consider , especially on the offensive side where they were down to a rookie 5th round QB and a brain dead reciever. They were likely at least somewhat limited because of that.


I believe twards the end of the season we saw the defense play to its potential tho as they were relatively healthy outside of MW who's now in Barffalo.

CloakNNNdagger
05-25-2012, 10:46 PM
My logic may not be taut but I am going with it. We have only 3 weak positions imo kicker (resolved by Bullock), WR2 (resolution pending) and right guard. The latter may be corrected by a healed ankle on Caldwell and/or Brandon Brookes. The thing we should be concerned with is depth. Our Oline held together very well considering Briesel's broken leg and Caldwell's ankle. On defense Manning missed 3 games before returning to practice. The backups despite being average {if that} players did not hurt the team. However, we would be fortunate to have same priority type players out and expect our now back ups to do as well with exception of Yates.

While AJ & Matt did miss time, I look at them like basketball, if we can just get to the playoffs and both are healthy during that "new season" we will be in excellent shape. If Schaub and Johnson lose a step, these wily vets will make up for it with game knowledge.

The biggest plus for team and coaches is confidence. They know what they did last season with Rome burning around them. No one has touched on the biggest change I expect to see this season..both Wade Phillips and Kubiak will go deeper into their playbooks. We ain't seen nothing yet.

I agree with you wholeheartedly that the full offseason will end up being the X-factor.

ObsiWan
05-26-2012, 01:33 AM
All our opponents will also have a full off-season plus a season's worth of film to look for weaknesses in Wade's defense.

still.... I'm cautiously optimistic

badboy
05-27-2012, 01:00 PM
All our opponents will also have a full off-season plus a season's worth of film to look for weaknesses in Wade's defense.

still.... I'm cautiously optimisticYes but I could care less about other teams off seasons. Trying to remember the offensive player that about 3 years ago said if the team performed each play as designed, ther ZBS could notbe stopped. I want to say it was Eric Winston. DCs have had years to prepare for AJ, Schaub's play action, etc. I truly believe Kubes and Wade will show things not seen before. We could be on the brink of some very good football.

76Texan
05-27-2012, 01:08 PM
I have to give Caldwell the benefit of the doubt, as he was playing on ankles both being affected with high sprains. Most of us would have trouble just walking up hill with that type of injury. I have no doubt that his performance was directly negatively related to these injuries.

I rewatched the Ravens play-off game yesterday, and Caldwell played in at least two series The one in which we scored our only TD, and a 3-and-out deep in our own end zone (from the 1).

He looked alright so there's always hope for next year (meaning this upcoming season.)
Like I said, I don't think it's a given that Caldwell get beat out of the starting spot.

Carr Bombed
05-27-2012, 09:55 PM
What I saw of Newton last season didnt impress me , the drop off from Butler to Newton is significant IMO ..... which is why the swing tackle spot is my biggest concern.

The guy was a 7th round rookie last season who played behind Brown, Winston, and Butler.. how much burn did he really get and how many snaps did you get to see him play?

I heard McClain talking on the radio about a week ago about Derek Newton.. he was talking about how the coaches are raving about the progression he's made from year 1 to year 2.. they said he might have the best feet on the team and has really come a long way. He said the coaches feel it's not a given Butler is going to be the starter.. he's going to have to compete for it with Derek Newton. When you have true competition it makes everyone better and strengthens the depth on your team.

As of right now I'm not worried about our swing tackle position, because I trust that Benton knows what he's doing and knows what he has in Newton. The Texans didn't have to cut Eric Winston... they could've made cost saving cuts at other positions over his and the fact that they chose to let him go tells me they're more than confident with the players they had behind him. At one time Butler was Derek Newton and both Butler and Brown are FAs this coming offseason. Newton could be our swing tackle this year and a starter next year.

badboy
05-27-2012, 10:03 PM
The guy was a 7th round rookie last season who played behind Brown, Winston, and Butler.. how much burn did he really get and how many snaps did you get to see him play?

I heard McClain talking on the radio about a week ago about Derek Newton.. he was talking about how the coaches are raving about the progression he's made from year 1 to year 2.. they said he might have the best feet on the team and has really come a long way. He said the coaches feel it's not a given Butler is going to be the starter.. he's going to have to compete for it with Derek Newton. When you have true competition it makes everyone better and strengthens the depth on your team.

As of right now I'm not worried about our swing tackle position, because I trust that Benton knows what he's doing and knows what he has in Newton. The Texans didn't have to cut Eric Winston... they could've made cost saving cuts at other positions over his and the fact that they chose to let him go tells me they're more than confident with the players they had behind him. At one time Butler was Derek Newton and both Butler and Brown are FAs this coming offseason. Newton could be our swing tackle this year and a starter next year.IIRC, Newton had several snaps & I was not impressed. However, like you I am hearing good things about him. It would be great if he could start by 2013 & eliminate having to pay big bucks to re-sign Butler.

We did not get good evals on many players with the shortened off season.

Carr Bombed
05-27-2012, 10:23 PM
IIRC, Newton had several snaps & I was not impressed. However, like you I am hearing good things about him. It would be great if he could start by 2013 & eliminate having to pay big bucks to re-sign Butler.

We did not get good evals on many players with the shortened off season.

Next offseason is going to suck... people thought this year was bad..

Connor Barwin
Brian Cushing
Duane Brown
and
Matt Schaub will all need new contracts.. I'm probably missing a few players as well.

badboy
05-27-2012, 10:36 PM
Next offseason is going to suck... people thought this year was bad..

Connor Barwin
Brian Cushing
Duane Brown
and
Matt Schaub will all need new contracts.. I'm probably missing a few players as well.Cushing under contract thru 2013, FYI. I hope Yates replaces Schaub, Brown is re-signed and when Barwin leaves we have Reed and Mercilus + 2012 draft pick. See my 2013 mock.

Cody will be allowed to walk.

Carr Bombed
05-27-2012, 11:14 PM
Cushing under contract thru 2013, FYI. I hope Yates replaces Schaub, Brown is re-signed and when Barwin leaves we have Reed and Mercilus + 2012 draft pick. See my 2013 mock.

Cody will be allowed to walk.

Oh my bad on Cushing.. that makes me feel a little better. I hope we can re-sign Barwin though.. I think he's just scratching the surface of his potential and can develop into a all pro type of player in this defense. Brown is going to cost us a arm and a leg though.

I'm pretty sure we'll be using our franchise tag on one of these guys next offseason.

Corrosion
05-28-2012, 12:10 AM
Next offseason is going to suck... people thought this year was bad..

Connor Barwin
Duane Brown
and
Matt Schaub will all need new contracts.. I'm probably missing a few players as well.

The cap is suppose to go up considerably too .... that may be the thing that saves the Texans from a repeat of this offseason's exodus of players ....


I dont see Schaub going anywhere unless he's injured again and the team decides to go in another direction.

ChampionTexan
05-28-2012, 12:19 AM
Cushing under contract thru 2013, FYI. I hope Yates replaces Schaub, Brown is re-signed and when Barwin leaves we have Reed and Mercilus + 2012 draft pick. See my 2013 mock.

Cody will be allowed to walk.

Another piece of good news - even if it's only short term - is that if we want and need to, we should be able to use the franchise tag on somebody. With Mario having a prior year salary in excess of $20 Million, and Myer/Brisiel essentially having to be tagged as if they were left tackles, the franchise tag was an option that practically speaking wasn't available to us this past off-season.

Norg
05-28-2012, 01:09 AM
Yes we know the window is closing for these 2 players no doubt but my god after seeing ...and i know there is no one like him ..Brett farve play till his 40's matt schaub is a baby ...but i dont see the big deal u know how many other teams have older QB;s and WR quite a few

and BTW reggie wanye is 33 has well

but hes right look at the AFCS all 3 foes will prob be playing rookie QB's agian

Gabbert
Luck
Locker

all 3 of thoes Qb's will prob score 10 points or less aganist this D ....!!! :P

CloakNNNdagger
05-28-2012, 07:22 AM
Yes we know the window is closing for these 2 players no doubt but my god after seeing ...and i know there is no one like him ..Brett farve play till his 40's matt schaub is a baby ...but i dont see the big deal u know how many other teams have older QB;s and WR quite a few
and BTW reggie wanye is 33 has well

but hes right look at the AFCS all 3 foes will prob be playing rookie QB's agian

Gabbert
Luck
Locker

all 3 of thoes Qb's will prob score 10 points or less aganist this D ....!!! :P


Brett Favre, who had his share of injuries since 1991, did not really sustain a truly non-rehabilitative injury until 2010.

1. First-degree left-shoulder separation
Year: 1991

Favre file: Suffered injury against Chicago, led comeback victory over Philadelphia the next week.

Feels like: Soreness of movement when lifting your arm above your head. But otherwise, not so bad -- although a third-degree sprain entails total dislocation of the joint, a first-degree change is minor. "On a [1-10] pain scale, it's probably a 3," says Stuart Yoss, team chiropractor for the Chicago Blackhawks and a former team chiropractor for the Bears.

Standard treatment: Rest, ice and anti-inflammatories. Possibly a sling.

Average recovery time: Two to four weeks.

Weekend warrior impact: Makes sleeping and getting dressed difficult. Solution? Don't sleep or change clothes. In other words, this may be the ideal injury for "Black Ops" addicts.



2. Deep-thigh bruise
Year: 1993

Favre file: Sustained injury against Tampa Bay -- then threw winning touchdown pass on the next play.

Feels like: Potentially very painful -- think the worst charley horse of all time. Standing, walking, using stairs and even sitting can be brutal, in part because sufferers can't always straighten their knees.

Standard treatment: Ice, massage, rest and light stretching. Possibly a few days on crutches. If a collection of blood forms, a needle can be placed in the thigh to remove fluid. Yuck.

Average recovery time: One to six weeks.

Weekend warrior impact: Major impairment -- and unhappiness -- until it heals. "If this happens to a normal person, they'll be limping around and complaining to their [spouse] that they can't do anything," Yoss says.



3. Severely bruised left hip
Year: 1994

Favre file: Suffered injury against Minnesota; enjoyed bye week before playing next game against Chicago.

Feels like: Also known as a hip pointer. "It's very painful due to all the nerves that cross the hip ridge," says Dr. Cindy Trowbridge, clinical education director for the Athletic Training Education Program at the University of Texas at Arlington. "It hurts to breathe, laugh and even sit up." Other than that, Mr. Favre, how did you like the play?

Standard treatment: Requires stretching and occasional injections. Avoid walking on ice.

Average recovery time: One to six weeks.

Weekend warrior impact: Joint pounding and body-twisting activities -- such as running and golf -- are out. And since laughing is painful, you're better off avoiding free to read Page 2 during your office lunch break.



4. Severely sprained left ankle
Year: 1995

Favre file: Suffered injury against Minnesota, then set quarterback rating career high the next week versus Chicago.

Feels like: Very painful, as "severe" indicates complete tearing of the ligaments on the outside of the ankle, which swells badly and can no longer bear weight. On the other hand, "the ankle turns lots of cool colors," Yoss says. Suffer for your body art!

Standard treatment: Rest, ice, elevation and anti-inflammatories. Crutches or a walking boot. Possible brace once you return to normal activities, probable rehab to prevent reinjury.

Average recovery time: Two to three months. Do not skip rehab. "Sprains that are not treated can become chronic and lead to instability of the ankle," says Dr. Gary Brazina, an orthopedic surgeon and team doctor for the Los Angeles Kings and Clippers.

Weekend warrior impact: In the short term, you can kiss rec league hoops goodbye; in the long term, you may have to remake yourself as a long-distance set shooter. "Unfortunately, when an ankle isn't fractured it usually doesn't get treated seriously in the general population," Trowbridge says. "You'll get crutches, an Ace wrap and be told to take Advil. But physical therapy is needed to restore the ankle."



5. Wind knocked out, twice, and coughed up blood

Brett Favre was coughing up blood after this game against Pittsburgh in 1995.
Year: 1995

Favre file: Suffered against Pittsburgh but remained in game and led Green Bay to victory.

Feels like: Getting hit by a baseball bat in your gut. Hard. "It's like you're suffocating and can't catch your breath no matter how hard you try," says Dr. Stephen Hunt, a sports health specialist at Morristown Memorial Hospital in Morristown, N.J.

Standard treatment: Rest -- that is, after you've gone to the hospital and undergone a bunch of costly tests (MRI scan, X-rays, pulmonary function studies). "A potentially serious injury," Brazina says. "More likely than not, it will cause damage to lung tissue. An individual needs to be watched closely to be sure that the lung has not collapsed and bleeding is controlled."

Average recovery time: If blood indicates rib fractures, up to six weeks; if not, a couple of days. "As long as all organs are intact," Yoss adds. Right. That, too.

Weekend warrior impact: Avoid strenuous activity for a few weeks.



6. Sprained right thumb
Year: 1999

Favre file: Suffered during preseason game against Denver and played much of the season with the injury.

Feels like: Ouch. Swelling at the base of the thumb and in the palm. Reduction in grip strength. Coincidentally, a common ski injury.

Standard treatment: Ice, rest, anti-inflammatories. Also, a splint or brace is crucial, because otherwise it's almost impossible to rest the joint and allow it to heal properly.

Average recovery time: Four to six weeks -- unless there's complete instability in the joint, in which case you might need surgery.

Weekend warrior impact: You'll be back in the office the next day. But everything -- from typing to driving to opening jars -- is going to be a literal and figurative pain. "We take our thumb for granted, but his injury brings us back to being an ape," Yoss says. "Without using our opposable thumb, there is not much of a difference."



7. Right-elbow tendinitis
Year(s): 2000, 2010

Favre file: Suffered in 2000 training camp and missed three preseason games.

Feels like: Reduced grip and wrist strength. Typically mild to moderate pain. That said, the more you use the elbow joint -- practically speaking, the more you use your afflicted arm -- the more painful it becomes.

Standard treatment: Ice, anti-inflammatories, possible brace, definite rest. Maybe a cortisone injection. Possible surgery to remove scar tissue.

Average recovery time: Four to 12 weeks. As a general rule, Trowbridge says, it takes two to three times as long to recover from symptoms as it took to develop them.

Weekend warrior impact: Like a sprained thumb, elbow tendinitis -- often called tennis or golfer's elbow -- affects every aspect of daily life. "A lot of people have trouble pouring a cup of coffee," Yoss says. Oh, and no Wii bowling, either.



8. Left mid-foot sprain
Year: 2000

Favre file: Suffered when sacked against Tampa Bay, led Green Bay to victory over Indianapolis the next week.

Feels like: An injury to the arch of the foot. Mild soreness to major pain, depending on the severity of the sprain. Can't bear weight.

Standard treatment: Rest, ice and anti-inflammatories. Possibly crutches or a walking boot.

Average recovery time: One to 12 weeks. Again, depends on the severity.

Weekend warrior impact: No recreational sports for up to three months -- including golf, as rotation of the foot would be difficult.



9. Sprained lateral collateral ligament, left knee
Year: 2002

Favre file: Suffered when sacked against Washington. Recovered during bye week and wore knee brace for most of remaining season games.

Feels like: Mild to moderate pain, and a feeling of instability in the knee. The good news? Unless you're a skier or involved in full-contact backyard Thanksgiving football games, you're unlikely to suffer a sprained LCL, which usually strikes high school and college athletes.

Standard treatment: Ice, rest and crutches. A hinged knee brace. Rehab only if you ask for it.

Average recovery time: Six to 12 weeks.

Weekend warrior impact: Office and home life are fine, but activities involving running, cutting and jumping are out. In other words: It won't get you out of raking leaves. Bleah.



10. Broken right thumb
Year: 2003

Favre file: Suffered against St. Louis; after bye week, threw three touchdown passes in victory over Minnesota.

Feels like: Moderate pain, but function can be completely impaired depending on the nature of the fracture.

Standard treatment: Arm placed in a cast for four to six weeks, followed by a splint for a few additional weeks. Next comes rehab to improve range of motion and strength. After that, you'll still be sore.

Average recovery time: Six weeks. Four months if surgery is required.

Weekend warrior impact: No sports until fully healed. Cast makes typing difficult. Anything that requires gripping is a no-no.



11. Softball-sized bruise, left hamstring
Year: 2004

Favre file: Suffered against Indianapolis; threw four touchdown passes in a loss.

Feels like: Very painful. Bending knee and flexing hip are difficult. Also, it's visually disconcerting. "Normally, it starts as black and blue from bleeding within the muscle," Yoss says. "Then it will turn yellow and green. What freaks most people out is that gravity starts pulling the blood down towards the feet, and bruising starts to occur in areas lower than where the injury occurred. That means there is some good muscle tearing happening." Um, isn't that bad muscle tearing?

Standard treatment: Rest, ice and compression.

Average recovery time: Seven to 10 days to walk without pain; at least six weeks to return to athletic activity.

Weekend warrior impact: Rising from a chair is tough -- and sadly, the NFL RedZone channel broadcasts for only a half-dozen hours every Sunday.



12. Concussion (described as "mild")
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A hit by the Giants' William Joseph knocked Favre out of the game in 2004.
Year: 2004

Favre file: Suffered against New York Giants; famously re-entered game and threw a touchdown pass before team forced him to sit.

Feels like: If you're lucky, a headache that lasts for a few days; if you're unlucky, dizziness, sleep loss and emotional changes due to brain bruising.

Standard treatment: Rest; no return to play until all symptoms are gone.

Average recovery time: Days to months. No two concussions are alike.

Weekend warrior impact: Hard to concentrate; light sensitivity; nausea; working on a computer may cause and/or exacerbate a headache. "Some symptoms last for a long time," Trowbridge says. "Slow reaction time, concentration issues and balance issues are often the worst." Decision-making and driving ability also may be impaired.



13. Sprained right hand
Year: 2004

Favre file: Suffered against Dallas; led Green Bay to victory.

Feels like: Pretty painful if you're right-handed.

Standard treatment: Ice and a brace to protect the injured hand.

Average recovery time: Two weeks in the brace; about four weeks total.

Weekend warrior impact: Anything you do with your right hand, you'll have to switch to your left. Even mouse-clicking.



14. Injured ulnar nerve, right elbow
Year: 2006

Favre file: Suffered against New England and left game. Lost game next week against Seattle.

Feels like: Repeatedly hitting your funny bone. A tingling, painful sensation up and down the arm. Numbness of the small and ring finger. Can cause arm and hand muscles to become weak. Severe injuries can cause permanent hand paralysis.

Standard treatment: Stretching exercises and avoiding elbow irritation can alleviate the tingling. Splinting the arm during sleep can reduce tension on the nerve. Chronic irritation may require surgery.

Average recovery time: Varies. If surgery is required to release a compressed nerve, add two to three months.

Weekend warrior impact: Similar to tendinitis.



15. Bone spurs, left ankle
Year: 2006

Favre file: Uncertain when Favre first experienced problems; had surgery after 2006-07 NFL season.

Feels like: Very painful if the injury is near nerves or soft tissues such as muscle and tendon. Also counts as chronic, annoying problem -- any time you put the ankle in a particular position, you'll feel pain. Often caused by arthritic degeneration in the joint due to overuse and trauma.

Standard treatment: Avoid the particular position or have surgery to remove the spurs. Painkillers can mask the hurt.

Average recovery time: Six to eight weeks of immobilization after surgery, followed by three to four months of rehab.

Weekend warrior impact: Simply put, you'll be hobbled.

CloakNNNdagger
05-28-2012, 07:23 AM
16. Torn right biceps
Year: 2008

Favre file: Suffered over the final five games of the season, in which Favre threw nine interceptions and quarterbacked the New York Jets to a 1-4 mark.

Feels like: Sufferers will often hear a snap and may be able to feel a divot within their biceps. Ewwww. Hurts pretty bad when you have a partial tear; if and when the muscle tears completely, the injury curiously feels a lot less painful.

Standard treatment: Varies. Biceps tears can reduce function, but not always in severe fashion. "Most people walking around with a frayed biceps tendon may not even know it," says Dr. Allston Stubbs, who has worked with the Denver Broncos, the Colorado Rockies, the U.S. ski team and Duke University athletics. "The pain is more a problem than the lost functionality. The majority of people are able to compensate. Sometimes it's more of a cosmetic problem than a functional problem. A full tear can make you arm look like Popeye's. Rupturing the muscle is actually how you cosmetically enhance the biceps." As a general rule, tears located near the shoulder require surgery less often than tears by the elbow.

Average recovery time: If surgery is required, at least six months. Full recovery can take an entire year.

Weekend warrior impact: Wearing a sling is inconvenient; participating in recreational sports is a no-go until full elbow flexion and extension and full shoulder motion return. Thankfully, playing fantasy football is A-OK.



17. Pulled groin
Year: 2009

Favre file: Suffered injury in practice; subsequently played against Green Bay and Detroit.

Feels like: Depending on severity, between mild and purgatory, as most movements with your legs become painful. "It can be a harbinger of a more serious injury, such as a labral tear in the hip," says Dr. Peter Millett, a shoulder specialist and team physician for the U.S. ski team. "Alex Rodriguez and Kurt Warner both suffered from that."

Standard treatment: Ice, rest and anti-inflammatories. Extra caution that you don't return to activity too soon, because groin pulls are easy to reinjure.

Average recovery time: One to six weeks.

Weekend warrior impact: Getting in and out of cars is especially painful.



18. Stress fracture, left ankle and avulsion fracture
of calcaneus (heel area)
Year: 2010

Favre file: After injuring ankle in NFC Championship Game against New Orleans, reinjured joint against Green Bay on Oct. 24; played next week against New England.

Feels like: "This hurts!" Yoss says. "Every time you take a step, you're going to feel this one."

Standard treatment: Walking boot for four to six weeks. Limited activity for at least eight weeks. Formal rehab to make sure the calf and Achilles tendon are flexible enough to take tension off the calcaneus.

Average recovery time: Two months.

Weekend warrior impact: If your "Madden NFL" skills are rusty, now's the time to brush up.



19. Sprained sternoclavicular (SC) joint, right shoulder
Year: 2010

Favre file: Finally forced to miss start versus New York Giants.

Feels like: Very, very painful. Swelling and tenderness in the front of the chest. The SC joint attaches the collarbone to the breastbone -- in essence, the arm to the body -- which means most upper-body motions are affected. Worst case scenario: An unstable collarbone can compress major blood vessels, including the jugular vein and aorta.

Standard treatment: Requires careful evaluation by a specialist. Less severe cases require ice, anti-inflammatories, wearing a sling for a few weeks and rehab with range-of-motion exercises. More severe cases require surgery to rebuild torn ligaments.

Average recovery time: Three weeks to more than three months.

Weekend warrior impact: Your status as a jeans-wearin', backyard football all-time quarterback may be in doubt. "It's typically an extremely difficult injury from which to recover fully," Millett says. "Especially for an overhead-throwing athlete."

Additional thanks to Dr. Joshua Zimmerman of the Human Motion Institute at Raritan Bay Medical Center, Dr. Bill Moutzouros of the Henry Ford Medical Group, Dr. Patrick McCulloch of the Methodist Center for Sports Medicine in Houston and the Minneapolis Star-Tribune for cataloging many of Favre's career injuries and subsequent performances.

Patrick Hruby is a freelance writer and ESPN.com contributor. PAGE 2 (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=hruby/101216_brett_favre_injuries&sportCat=nfl)

The Pencil Neck
05-28-2012, 11:51 AM
And Farve spent part of his career, at least, addicted to painkillers.

A curious coincidence.

76Texan
05-28-2012, 11:55 PM
I have to give Caldwell the benefit of the doubt, as he was playing on ankles both being affected with high sprains. Most of us would have trouble just walking up hill with that type of injury. I have no doubt that his performance was directly negatively related to these injuries.

I rewatched the Ravens play-off game yesterday, and Caldwell played in at least two series The one in which we scored our only TD, and a 3-and-out deep in our own end zone (from the 1).

He looked alright so there's always hope for next year (meaning this upcoming season.)
Like I said, I don't think it's a given that Caldwell get beat out of the starting spot.

Caldwell also played solidly the entire 4th quarter against the Bengals in the play-offs.

dinkatoid
05-29-2012, 09:08 AM
I am trying to respond to several topics that have been brought up in this thread, so excuse how fast this changes topics.

I am not too worried about the age of Schaub and AJ, for a few different reasons. For QBs, the first thing that seems to fail is the elite arm strength. IMO, the problem is a lot of these guys tend to rely on using that arm strength to force it into windows instead of playing smart with the ball. I mean, look at Peyton - he is 36, and while it has been noted by some (such as Ron Jaworski) that his arm strength is fading a little, he is still very effective.

Schaub never relied on arm strength, and is more about the system and hitting the right guy at the right time. I think play wise, he will hold up longer than most QBs thanks to the system we run. Injury wise, that could be a different story, but that is something we can't predict.

As for AJ, its simple to me. The man was the best WR in football for several years, and even if he starts his decline, he will still be a damn good WR. He may not be the best anymore, but I see no reason why he would suddenly become ineffective - his football IQ doesn't fade like the physical skills.

As for the Oline - profootball focus actually rated Caldwell better than Brisiel last year, and that was on the bad ankles. I can't link you to the article, cause frankly I don't remember which one it was, but they had good things to say about him. Between that and how the coaches seem to like Brooks, I think we should be ok at RG. Tackle worries me a bit, as while Butler has the physical skills, I believe this is his first time starting on the right side for us, so that could require a bit for him to fully adjust.

Like many of you have said, I have also heard the coaches heaping praise on Newton, so I think we might actually be ok at the swing tackle position. I fully expect that Butler and Caldwell will hold down their positions though, and that everything on the line will be ok.

Finally, to the contract situation. I really hope we do hold onto Barwin, as I think he is a solid player, and will give us a really solid 3 man OLB rotation. While I know we COULD replace him with a draft pick, I would hate to spend ANOTHER early pick on OLB. I would much rather us have a chance to spend it elsewhere, wherever that may be.

burro
05-29-2012, 12:26 PM
It's a hard thing to accept, but AJ won't be around forever. We should have started preparing for this years ago; shouldn't have waited around on Jacoby Jones to break out.

Woulda, coulda, shoulda. Here's hoping we have beasts in Posey and Martin.