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bckey
05-21-2012, 03:14 PM
The Texans started their OTA's today. Any info would be much appreciated.

Fili
05-21-2012, 03:39 PM
http://blog.houstontexans.com/2012/05/21/with-andre-johnson-out-lestar-jean-getting-starter-reps/

With Andre Johnson sitting out of organized team activities (OTAs) after having arthroscopic knee surgery, wide receiver Lestar Jean is practicing as a starter opposite Kevin Walter.

I guess that means Jean is #3 WR...

False Start
05-21-2012, 03:53 PM
Pics (http://www.sports790.com/cc-common/gallery/photos.html?album_id=318997&p=19188647#/0/19188647)

Texas T
05-21-2012, 04:58 PM
With the exception of Schaub and Andre did anyone else miss?
Just out of curiosities sake.

ObsiWan
05-21-2012, 05:00 PM
Pics (http://www.sports790.com/cc-common/gallery/photos.html?album_id=318997&p=19188647#/0/19188647)

Can't get the pics to load.
Might be the anti-virus stuff they have here at work.

False Start
05-21-2012, 05:08 PM
Can't get the pics to load.
Might be the anti-virus stuff they have here at work.

They are from from Sport Talk 790's website, so it may be.

Ryan
05-21-2012, 05:10 PM
http://blog.houstontexans.com/2012/05/21/with-andre-johnson-out-lestar-jean-getting-starter-reps/



I guess that means Jean is #3 WR...


I doubt that means anything right now. At the least he's very familiar with the offense right now and any of the rookies coming in at this point probably know very little. Not saying a rookie is guaranteed to take his spot, but i just couldn't put much into that.

Texans_Chick
05-21-2012, 05:27 PM
My observations from today at my blog.

Houston Texans OTAs 2012 – My thoughts and yours (http://blog.chron.com/texanschick/2012/05/houston-texans-otas-2012-my-thoughts/)

I'm planning to go to all of these. If you have any particular questions/comments, let me know on the blog. It's hard to put all the observations down due to life time constraints + well, it's practice. But it is easier to respond to particular questions.

Also, I will try to Tweet new of the day post-OTA. During OTAs they don't allow Tweeting, but after practice I can.

Texans_Chick
05-21-2012, 05:32 PM
Thoughts from LZ:

Eight (but really ten) Texans I’m watching during OTAs (http://blog.chron.com/fantasyfootball/2012/05/eight-but-really-ten-texans-im-watching-during-otas/)

Rey
05-21-2012, 05:35 PM
Is Cushing looking less jacked?

http://content.clearchannel.com/cc-common/gallery/thumb.php?src=/export/home/cc-common/mlib/589/05/1337621951162.JPG&wmax=600&hmax=450&quality=80

2002whitegt
05-21-2012, 05:59 PM
Is Cushing looking less jacked?

Didn't we all have the same discussion last year? Cush will be fine, I'm not worried about him.

SheTexan
05-21-2012, 06:02 PM
I think they should let an old lady just stand there and watch! What damage could I do? I need a FOOTBALL FIX REAL BAD!!!!:shetexan:

Kimmy
05-21-2012, 06:39 PM
LOL, me too! It would be sooooo much nicer weather wise to let us watch now instead of training camp! :hot:

I think they should let an old lady just stand there and watch! What damage could I do? I need a FOOTBALL FIX REAL BAD!!!!:shetexan:

Kimmy
05-21-2012, 06:42 PM
I was looking through them and then thought .. hey, that's not Demeco! Not enough time or distance yet :(

Pics (http://www.sports790.com/cc-common/gallery/photos.html?album_id=318997&p=19188647#/0/19188647)

The Pencil Neck
05-21-2012, 06:50 PM
I was looking through them and then thought .. hey, that's not Demeco! Not enough time or distance yet :(

Yeah. The first picture I saw gave me an immediate "Wait. What?" reaction even though I knew intellectually he'd taken 59.

EllisUnit
05-21-2012, 06:51 PM
Is Cushing looking less jacked?

http://content.clearchannel.com/cc-common/gallery/thumb.php?src=/export/home/cc-common/mlib/589/05/1337621951162.JPG&wmax=600&hmax=450&quality=80

he always looks less jacked in practice, he is like iron man though, once he puts on the suit/pads he looks like the hulk. Weird transformation :roast:

False Start
05-21-2012, 06:55 PM
Yeah. The first picture I saw gave me an immediate "Wait. What?" reaction even though I knew intellectually he'd taken 59.

Same here.

With Louiseau, and the 90, it wasn't like that though. I thought, "cool, I hope he makes it."

The Pencil Neck
05-21-2012, 07:04 PM
Same here.

With Louiseau, and the 90, it wasn't like that though. I thought, "cool, I hope he makes it."

My first thought seeing Loiseau was "Damn. He looks big." But that picture was him beside some smaller guys; DBs, I think. I saw him next to Mercilus and it was like... Oh, OK. Not so big, then.

Rey
05-21-2012, 07:07 PM
Didn't we all have the same discussion last year? Cush will be fine, I'm not worried about him.

I'm not worried about him at all. Never have been. Even through the banned substance stuff and his "down year".

alphajoker
05-21-2012, 07:33 PM
Is Cushing looking less jacked?

http://content.clearchannel.com/cc-common/gallery/thumb.php?src=/export/home/cc-common/mlib/589/05/1337621951162.JPG&wmax=600&hmax=450&quality=80

he always looks less jacked in practice, he is like iron man though, once he puts on the suit/pads he looks like the hulk. Weird transformation :roast:

Dude has some big arms...still looks jacked to me. If by jacked you mean strong.

Rey
05-21-2012, 07:38 PM
Dude has some big arms...still looks jacked to me. If by jacked you mean strong.

By jacked I mean big and ripped.

Strength doesn't always correspond with looks though. I've seen some small non ripped guys that have been pretty strong.

alphajoker
05-21-2012, 08:39 PM
By jacked I mean big and ripped.

Strength doesn't always correspond with looks though. I've seen some small non ripped guys that have been pretty strong.

Yes that too. :)

Wolf6151
05-22-2012, 03:23 AM
Pics (http://www.sports790.com/cc-common/gallery/photos.html?album_id=318997&p=19188647#/0/19188647)

Thanks for the pics., it was good to see the guys in uniform and working out, even if it's only OTA's. I really wish it was time for training camp.

Texn4life
05-22-2012, 03:31 AM
This year feels so much different than last year because of the lockout. All we were hearing about this time last year was about negotiations. I think everyone is locked into the off-season workouts more than any year ever because of that missed time and how guys are developing. I know for a fact I've never EVER checked in to see how the first day of OTA's went.

SheTexan
05-22-2012, 09:33 AM
I was looking through them and then thought .. hey, that's not Demeco! Not enough time or distance yet :(

I feel the same way! I just don't like it, not yet! It'll take some getting use to and I'm just not ready. I think he didn't take #90 cause he was afraid of being compared to Mario. Kinda chicken S on his part. JMO!

The Pencil Neck
05-22-2012, 10:09 AM
I feel the same way! I just don't like it, not yet! It'll take some getting use to and I'm just not ready. I think he didn't take #90 cause he was afraid of being compared to Mario. Kinda chicken S on his part. JMO!

He's a linebacker. They usually take numbers in the 50's. Linemen usually take numbers in the 90's. The UDFA linebacker Loiseau got the 90 because he's probably not making the team.

cuppacoffee
05-22-2012, 10:15 AM
Thoughts from LZ:

Eight (but really ten) Texans I’m watching during OTAs (http://blog.chron.com/fantasyfootball/2012/05/eight-but-really-ten-texans-im-watching-during-otas/)



Time to print off a camp roster. Gotta have a name with the numbers.

:coffee:

Rey
05-22-2012, 10:21 AM
He's a linebacker. They usually take numbers in the 50's. Linemen usually take numbers in the 90's. The UDFA linebacker Loiseau got the 90 because he's probably not making the team.

I don't think his likelihood to make the team had anything to do with him taking #90...

There are no other 50 numbers available...

Rey
05-22-2012, 10:22 AM
Time to print off a camp roster. Gotta have a name with the numbers.

:coffee:

http://www.houstontexans.com/team/roster.html

The Pencil Neck
05-22-2012, 10:28 AM
I don't think his likelihood to make the team had anything to do with him taking #90...

There are no other 50 numbers available...

Yeah. I wasn't clear with what I was trying to say.

Mercilus took 59 because it's the linebacker number and there were no others available and he had first choice.

Loiseau took 90 because he's a linebacker but as a UDFA, he had to take whatever was left.

There are probably going to be some guys wearing some numbers for other positions during TC.

GP
05-22-2012, 11:05 AM
Not a fan of Mercilus wearing #59. Just looks awkward.

But I get it: Numbers are numbers and there's a helluva' lot of linebackers in the 34 defense.

Whoever made the slideshow had a caption on Bullock/Graham/Weeks and put that Shayne Graham was a punter. LOL. Quality work at the Chronicle, as usual.

JJ Watt walking down those steps (in the slideshow) looks huge. He dwarfs everything, even stairs.

steelbtexan
05-22-2012, 11:18 AM
I feel the same way! I just don't like it, not yet! It'll take some getting use to and I'm just not ready. I think he didn't take #90 cause he was afraid of being compared to Mario. Kinda chicken S on his part. JMO!

Unfortunately you better get used to it.

That's the way NFL works players fungible commidity. Hate to say it but being a fan of the team winning takes precedence over any fandom of players. As it should be. IMHO You very rarely get to have it both ways.

But I do understand where you are coming from.

Rey
05-22-2012, 11:54 AM
Stephanie Stradley ‏@StephStradley
Kubiak: Fangupo hope to be back next week. Holding out Sharpton right now, will be ready for camp. #TexansOTA

ObsiWan
05-22-2012, 12:38 PM
he always looks less jacked in practice, he is like iron man though, once he puts on the suit/pads he looks like the hulk. Weird transformation :roast:

no, no, no...
he's Captain America...
http://blog.chron.com/texanschick/files/2012/05/Texans-As-The-Avengers-Via-@Northside_Mike-407x600.png


...now if we could just turn Case Keenum into Hawkeye...
:)

The Cush
05-22-2012, 01:23 PM
That's an awesome picture but I disagree with the characters. JJ Watt is the prototypical Captain America, his celebration is even a salute. Cushing is The Hulk because he pretty much acts like him on the field. Brooks is Thor for obvious reasons. Barwin can be Iron Man due to his versatility and being able to throw out a bunch of pass rush moves.

False Start
05-22-2012, 02:04 PM
Texans OTA Interviews May 22nd (http://www.sports790.com/pages/koch_and_kalu.html?article=10145328)

Kubiak, Foster, and Yates.

DocBar
05-22-2012, 07:33 PM
I feel the same way! I just don't like it, not yet! It'll take some getting use to and I'm just not ready. I think he didn't take #90 cause he was afraid of being compared to Mario. Kinda chicken S on his part. JMO!Wow!!! Still spazzing? Mariwho??? Demecwho?

Ryans was a much bigger part of this team, and he will be sorely missed, but we have to move on from jersey numbers. There's only one Texan (or former Texan) who is a potential HOF'er right now. And that is iffy as hell.

Playoffs
05-23-2012, 02:00 PM
Wade: “Yeah, Whit, I think it’s not too big for him[Mercilus], so that’s the first thing you look for in rookies. Sometimes they get overrun. He hasn’t had that problem. He rushed real well today, and that’s what we’re looking for him to do in the defense, and he had a good day rushing the passer.”

Texans_Chick
05-23-2012, 03:34 PM
New blog post:

Gary Kubiak on the wide receiver competition (http://blog.chron.com/texanschick/2012/05/gary-kubiak-on-the-wide-receiver-competition/)

Wide open. Not having Schaub available makes it difficult to assess the young QBs because two of the QBs throwing are trying to figure it out themselves.

badboy
05-23-2012, 04:05 PM
Cush does not look in football shape; He needs to have blood dripping!!

Interesting comments on Derek Newton & I hope LZ is correct. Would be nice for him to replace Butler in 2013.

Texans_Chick
05-23-2012, 04:44 PM
Cush does not look in football shape; He needs to have blood dripping!!

Interesting comments on Derek Newton & I hope LZ is correct. Would be nice for him to replace Butler in 2013.

Suggest checking out this picture
(https://twitter.com/#!/StephStradley/media/slideshow?url=http%3A%2F%2Flockerz.com%2Fs%2F21103 3509)

I took this picture so people could see the relative sizes of the legs of Brooks, Butler and Newton. Hard to tell in just shorts, but Brooks is an impressive physical guy in person. Thick. Not fat. His legs are so much thicker than Butler's. Hope he plays to his size.

Newton looks fairly beastly too, and has plenty of reps in the offense. You could watch Imax movies on Newton's backside.

cuppacoffee
05-23-2012, 05:36 PM
http://www.houstontexans.com/team/roster.html

Got it..Thanks

Lots names and numbers to try to remember. Think I'll just look them up as needed.

:coffee:

SheTexan
05-23-2012, 07:02 PM
Wow!!! Still spazzing? Mariwho??? Demecwho?

Ryans was a much bigger part of this team, and he will be sorely missed, but we have to move on from jersey numbers. There's only one Texan (or former Texan) who is a potential HOF'er right now. And that is iffy as hell.

Nope! Not spazzin, just still irritated. I accept the fact that I'm a sentimenal old fool, BUT, I'm not stup*d! I understand the reasons behind the trade, I just think RS is a slimball for doing things the way he did with Meco. He was in kahoots with the Eagles GM for weeks prior to the trade, (they are very good friends) and from what I've read, and heard, Demeco had no idea they were planning to ax him. Truthfully, I think Wade Phillips wanted Bradie James, so Meco had to go. Who's to say a healthy Meco couldn't adjust? I'm not trying to argue, that's pointless, just venting my opinion.

OzzO
05-23-2012, 07:21 PM
...Demeco had no idea they were planning to ax him. Truthfully, I think Wade Phillips wanted Bradie James, so Meco had to go. Who's to say a healthy Meco couldn't adjust? I'm not trying to argue, that's pointless, just venting my opinion.

"Demeco saw writing on the wall" thread (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=92208)

...“My feelings weren’t hurt,” Ryans said over the weekend at his golf tournament in Alabama, via the Tuscaloosa News. “I saw the road changing during the season last year. I kind of start[ed] seeing that, maybe this can’t go on for too long. So when the move came, I was OK with it.”...

mussop
05-23-2012, 10:54 PM
I feel the same way! I just don't like it, not yet! It'll take some getting use to and I'm just not ready. I think he didn't take #90 cause he was afraid of being compared to Mario. Kinda chicken S on his part. JMO!

:overreact:

steelbtexan
05-23-2012, 11:25 PM
Suggest checking out this picture
(https://twitter.com/#!/StephStradley/media/slideshow?url=http%3A%2F%2Flockerz.com%2Fs%2F21103 3509)

I took this picture so people could see the relative sizes of the legs of Brooks, Butler and Newton. Hard to tell in just shorts, but Brooks is an impressive physical guy in person. Thick. Not fat. His legs are so much thicker than Butler's. Hope he plays to his size.

Newton looks fairly beastly too, and has plenty of reps in the offense. You could watch Imax movies on Newton's backside.

Dont worry about Brooks, He is a stud that will be starting some time next yr.

Best Texans draft pick IMHO

Wolf6151
05-24-2012, 12:26 AM
Texans Chick, could you give us an update and or opinion on Ben Jones-C, Dwight Jones-WR, Jared Crick-DE, and Brandon Harris-CB? I'd like to know how more of our newbies are coming along. Thanks.

Texans_Chick
05-24-2012, 08:01 AM
Texans Chick, could you give us an update and or opinion on Ben Jones-C, Dwight Jones-WR, Jared Crick-DE, and Brandon Harris-CB? I'd like to know how more of our newbies are coming along. Thanks.

Haven't been watching much of the corners other than when they've been doing team stuff against the WR. Very much paying attention to WR. None of the corners have really made you go, "ugh" but then again, it isn't like they are going one on one on Andre Johnson.

Jones/Crick look the parts but until they have more than just shorts on hard to say.

Physically, Jones looks more like a Andre Johnson body type and Posey looks like more of a Kevin Walter body type just when you see them standing together. Both Jones and Posey really haven't had a ton of targets in team stuff. Jones looks very physically impressive though. Posey I noticed a few times just because it looked like he had soft hands--looked very fluid catching the ball.

So early yet. I'm going back out today. Earliest I will be doing the Twitter thing will be about 11:40ish with any new of day, interesting pictures. (Can't Tweet during OTAs) If there is anything in particular you want me to birddog, please send comments/questions to @StephStradley

Texans_Chick
05-24-2012, 08:04 AM
Dont worry about Brooks, He is a stud that will be starting some time next yr.

Best Texans draft pick IMHO

When people have asked me, I've said he's the Texans rookie to watch.

He reminds me a bit like Eric Winston his rookie year--when he is with the 2s, he just looks like he should be with the 1s instead. Kind of like the Sesame Street song, "One of these things is not like the others." He's just beastly looking.

Honoring Earl 34
05-24-2012, 09:12 AM
Dont worry about Brooks, He is a stud that will be starting some time next yr.

Best Texans draft pick IMHO

When people have asked me, I've said he's the Texans rookie to watch.

He reminds me a bit like Eric Winston his rookie year--when he is with the 2s, he just looks like he should be with the 1s instead. Kind of like the Sesame Street song, "One of these things is not like the others." He's just beastly looking.

Men that big , fast , and strong can't be held back unless they have Ferdinand syndrome or can't learn the playbook . I read he scored a 22 on his Wundelich .

Kaiser Toro
05-24-2012, 10:57 AM
When people have asked me, I've said he's the Texans rookie to watch.

He reminds me a bit like Eric Winston his rookie year--when he is with the 2s, he just looks like he should be with the 1s instead. Kind of like the Sesame Street song, "One of these things is not like the others." He's just beastly looking.

"Massive physical freak" is the correct description, per Mayock.

Playoffs
05-24-2012, 12:04 PM
Stephanie Stradley ‏@StephStradley
Despite lose your hat wind gusts, #Texans offense/QBs looked better today. Nice catches from Jean, Holliday, Posey in particular

Kubiak: Young receivers show flashes, but a bit fatigued. Something to work on. #TexansOTA

Kubiak in his quotes today talks some of conditioning levels of rookie WRs. On field commentary to players on subject was, uh, colorful.

DX-TEX
05-24-2012, 12:28 PM
Stephanie Stradley ‏@StephStradley
Despite lose your hat wind gusts, #Texans offense/QBs looked better today. Nice catches from Jean, Holliday, Posey in particular

Kubiak: Young receivers show flashes, but a bit fatigued. Something to work on. #TexansOTA

Kubiak in his quotes today talks some of conditioning levels of rookie WRs. On field commentary to players on subject was, uh, colorful.

That scares me. All low round picks and UDFA yet they come into camp unprepared?

Rey
05-24-2012, 12:47 PM
That scares me. All low round picks and UDFA yet they come into camp unprepared?

Posey and Martin weren't low round picks I don't think...

Mid round picks is what I'd call them...

And this is the third day of OTA's with a day off in between. I wouldn't worry too much about it, they'll get in shape.

DX-TEX
05-24-2012, 12:48 PM
Posey and Martin weren't low round picks I don't think...

Mid round picks is what I'd call them...

And this is the third day of OTA's with a day off in between. I wouldn't worry too much about it, they'll get in shape.

I question the motivation of anyone drafted 3rd round or later comin in out of shape.

Rey
05-24-2012, 01:00 PM
I question the motivation of anyone drafted 3rd round or later comin in out of shape.

I don't know if it's that they're out of shape or if it's just that they're not really used to working out in this Houston climate.


Hard to imagine all of the young guys are out of shape.

TimeKiller
05-24-2012, 01:02 PM
I question the motivation of anyone drafted 3rd round or later comin in out of shape.

Playing in Michigan and Ohio is toooooooootally different than playing in Tejas.

The Cush
05-24-2012, 01:04 PM
I don't know if it's that they're out of shape or if it's just that they're not really used to working out in this Houston climate.


Hard to imagine all of the young guys are out of shape.

Yea I'm guessing the heat is playing a big factor out there.

DX-TEX
05-24-2012, 01:08 PM
Playing in Michigan and Ohio is toooooooootally different than playing in Tejas.



http://lmgtfy.com/?q=weather+in+Houston+Texas

Honoring Earl 34
05-24-2012, 01:23 PM
Playing in Michigan and Ohio is toooooooootally different than playing in Tejas.

When the Dynamo came to Houston from San Jose , they had a real hard time playing in the heat / humidity . Having lived in Houston for 49 years I can tell you the only way to prepare for running up and down the field is to do it .

Premier
05-24-2012, 03:30 PM
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=weather+in+Houston+Texas

whats your point, its hot as f--k outside..

TimeKiller
05-24-2012, 04:55 PM
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=weather+in+Houston+Texas

Did you really just google that for me? Lol....damn bro. Did you know that I've already been outside today?

SheTexan
05-24-2012, 05:26 PM
This Houston heat will either make um or break um. I bet some of them HATE Houston right about now!:) Doubtful they had a clue how HOT and humid it can get here. BUT, they are very lucky they have Reliant to play in.

b0ng
05-24-2012, 05:30 PM
It's not like we're in the middle of the Sahara desert. If they can't make it through a TC in Houston because of the climate they weren't long for the NFL anyway.

DX-TEX
05-24-2012, 06:39 PM
Did you really just google that for me? Lol....damn bro. Did you know that I've already been outside today?

No. It was a referance to the people saying the weather here is different than Ohio. I go on a vacation I look for the weather on where I am going. These kids are going to their new employer for an extended period of time and they dont kow what the weather will be like?

Honoring Earl 34
05-24-2012, 06:47 PM
No. It was a referance to the people saying the weather here is different than Ohio. I go on a vacation I look for the weather on where I am going. These kids are going to their new employer for an extended period of time and they dont kow what the weather will be like?

If you go to Cedar Point in Ohio , they think it's hot when it's 84 .

drs23
05-24-2012, 06:57 PM
If you go to Cedar Point in Ohio , they think it's hot when it's 84 .

'ginas. :D

Scooter
05-24-2012, 07:25 PM
heck it's barely cracking 90 degrees and comfortable outside. if they're having that much trouble now, what are they going to do when summer gets here? :roast:

SheTexan
05-24-2012, 07:34 PM
heck it's barely cracking 90 degrees and comfortable outside. if they're having that much trouble now, what are they going to do when summer gets here? :roast:

REALLY sweat!:) Although I wouldn't really call it "comfortable" if you've gotta be out in 90 heat very long. Not to bad today due to the wind, but, yesterday was a biatch!! JMO!

Allstar
05-24-2012, 07:36 PM
It's not just the heat, it's the humidity. It's something we go through every year. There really isn't a way to prepare yourself for it. Non-issue at this point.

Honoring Earl 34
05-24-2012, 08:06 PM
heck it's barely cracking 90 degrees and comfortable outside. if they're having that much trouble now, what are they going to do when summer gets here? :roast:

They deal with the 20 degree weather .

TejasTom
05-24-2012, 10:07 PM
No. It was a referance to the people saying the weather here is different than Ohio. I go on a vacation I look for the weather on where I am going. These kids are going to their new employer for an extended period of time and they dont kow what the weather will be like?

There is difference between knowing the weather and being in the weather.

Texn4life
05-24-2012, 11:13 PM
It's not just the heat, it's the humidity. It's something we go through every year. There really isn't a way to prepare yourself for it. Non-issue at this point.

You hit the nail on the head here. I know guys who played at Arizona that tell me all the time the heat here is different. Even though the temperature says it's hotter there the humidity in Houston takes some getting used to.

If it's training camp and the same problem is still going on then there may be a problem, but expecting these guys to be in football shape after 3 days is ridiculous.

ObsiWan
05-25-2012, 04:13 AM
Playing in Michigan and Ohio is toooooooootally different than playing in Tejas.

Yea I'm guessing the heat is playing a big factor out there.

Oh it's MILD right now. Wait until July.
:roast:

drs23
05-25-2012, 09:17 AM
Oh it's MILD right now. Wait until July.
:roast:

And then it really begins to chill in August & September! :kitten:

I just remember JJ Megawatt last year saying something to the effect of practicing here being the first time he could "feel the air". Gotta think, all these guys are going through the same thing. They'll get used to it but it ain't gonna happen in a 3 day mini camp.

Texans_Chick
05-25-2012, 06:47 PM
The temps at OTAs are basically the same temps they will get at training camp barring some bizarre heat wave.

OTAs start at 10:05 am. Training camp starts at 8:00 am. The start temperature for both OTAs and training camp is usually about 84 degrees and by the end of practice is usually about 88 degrees.

I always check because I am no good in the heat even just standing around--I've gotten better at it because I usually bring 4 12oz cans of La Croix with me and drink them while watching.

Texans_Chick
05-25-2012, 06:49 PM
Posey and Martin weren't low round picks I don't think...

Mid round picks is what I'd call them...

And this is the third day of OTA's with a day off in between. I wouldn't worry too much about it, they'll get in shape.

Nah, nothing to worry about. Just stopping them from getting big heads. Normal Kubiak speak.

Playoffs
05-25-2012, 10:06 PM
http://prod.images.texans.clubs.nflcdn.com/image-web/NFL/CDA/data/deployed/prod/TEXANS/assets/images/imported/HOU/photos/clubimages/2012/05-May/_BB28453--nfl_mezz_1280_1024.JPG
http://prod.images.texans.clubs.nflcdn.com/image-web/NFL/CDA/data/deployed/prod/TEXANS/assets/images/imported/HOU/photos/clubimages/2012/05-May/_BB28598--nfl_mezz_1280_1024.JPG?width=960&height=720

Premier
05-26-2012, 01:44 AM
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wavy lines..

Playoffs
05-26-2012, 07:45 AM
wavy lines..

Mojo did those.

CloakNNNdagger
05-27-2012, 09:32 AM
This Houston heat will either make um or break um. I bet some of them HATE Houston right about now!:) Doubtful they had a clue how HOT and humid it can get here. BUT, they are very lucky they have Reliant to play in.


Position Competition: Wide Receiver
Posted by Nick Scurfield on May 26, 2012 – 12:41 pm


The Texans have a wide-open competition at wide receiver this offseason.

Beyond veteran starters Andre Johnson and Kevin Walter, there is not a single receiver on the roster who has caught an NFL pass. It’s a group that consists of five rookies and four young veterans who have played in a combined five games.

Johnson is not participating in OTAs because of recent arthroscopic surgery on his knee. That has left Walter as the elder statesman and opened the door for a lot more reps for the Texans’ young receivers.

“They’re young, I can tell you that,” Texans coach Gary Kubiak said after practice on Tuesday. “It’s exciting because we’ve got a lot of ability to work with, but obviously we’ve got a long, long way to go. It’ll be interesting to see how they sort themselves out.”

The Texans could keep five or six receivers on the active roster in the regular season. Third-round draft pick DeVier Posey and fourth-round pick Keshawn Martin should be locks to make the team.

That leaves one or two spots up for grabs among Lestar Jean, Jeff Maehl, Trindon Holliday, Juaquin Iglesias and undrafted rookies Jerrell Jackson, Dwight Jones and Mario Louis.

Jean, a promising undrafted rookie from Florida Atlantic in 2011, lined up opposite Walter with the first-team offense this week. Next week, that opportunity could possibly belong to Maehl or someone else as Johnson continues to sit out.

“It’s a great opportunity for them,” Kubiak said. “I mean, you look at (how) Lestar Jean is working as a starter right now. As a player, all you can ask for is to get on the field, and if you do it, you’re not coming off. That’s the way this thing works. I’m going to rotate them every week. I think I’ll change them up, change the depth chart and see who’s going to stand out, who’s going to help our football team. But they’re all going to get an opportunity.”

Asked about the young receivers after the final practice of the week on Thursday, Kubiak said he has seen “flashes” of talent.

“They’re all what we thought they were,” he said. “Getting a little fatigued right now. That bothers me; you’ve got to be able to run all day. Posey is out here pretty tired today. We’ve got to get those guys, condition-wise, to where they can do it all day long. But talent-wise, it’s exactly what we thought we were going to get.”The competition should for playing time – and roster spots – should only heat up in the coming weeks and months.

Wolf6151
05-28-2012, 01:10 PM
CND, that article about the depth and competition at WR really scares the hell out of me. If we lose AJ again then we're screwed at WR.

TdotTexas2Step
05-28-2012, 04:56 PM
That leaves one or two spots up for grabs among Lestar Jean, Jeff Maehl, Trindon Holliday, Juaquin Iglesias and undrafted rookies Jerrell Jackson, Dwight Jones and Mario Louis.



So would those two spots go to Jean and Maehl? Or maybe Jean and Jones?

JCTexan
05-28-2012, 05:44 PM
So would those two spots go to Jean and Maehl? Or maybe Jean and Jones?

Well, that would depend on how they impress the coaches during training camp, preseason games, practices, etc..

Vinnie
05-28-2012, 07:23 PM
CND, that article about the depth and competition at WR really scares the hell out of me. If we lose AJ again then we're screwed at WR.

We'll probably be able to pick David Anderson up off the Washington practice squad if that happens.

:D

powda
05-28-2012, 08:10 PM
Position Competition: Wide Receiver
Posted by Nick Scurfield on May 26, 2012 – 12:41 pm

I remember a quote from Kubiak last year talking about getting the younger guys in shape so they can run all day. No reason to be alarmed...I hope.

CloakNNNdagger
05-28-2012, 08:24 PM
I remember a quote from Kubiak last year talking about getting the younger guys in shape so they can run all day. No reason to be alarmed...I hope.

Got to ask oneself, after the excitement during OTAs last year, how many young receivers made it to the roster........and of those, how many produced anything?:kitten:

ChampionTexan
05-28-2012, 09:15 PM
Got to ask oneself, after the excitement during OTAs last year, how many young receivers made it to the roster........and of those, how many produced anything?:kitten:
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TdotTexas2Step
05-28-2012, 09:22 PM
Well, that would depend on how they impress the coaches during training camp, preseason games, practices, etc..

Thank you for your contribution sir.

Let's just say my initial question was enough to entice further discussion for a message board, which players do you think would be likely to have an advantage based on factors outside the ones you listed?

I went with Jean and Maehl mainly because we'll most likely be carrying two spots for rookies who are starting from scratch, so it'll be good to have two young guys for the last open spots to have at least some familiarity with the offense.

ObsiWan
05-28-2012, 09:41 PM
So would those two spots go to Jean and Maehl? Or maybe Jean and Jones?

I'm going with Jean and D. Jones and Maehl stays alive on the practice squad for one more year. Not to be type-casting but he looks like a K.W. replacement unit.

Playoffs
05-28-2012, 11:00 PM
I'm going with Jean and D. Jones and Maehl stays alive on the practice squad for one more year. Not to be type-casting but he looks like a K.W. replacement unit.I don't think I've picked up any chatter on Dwight Jones yet ..... anyone?

Allstar
05-28-2012, 11:09 PM
I don't think I've picked up any chatter on Dwight Jones yet ..... anyone?

They've only had 3 days of OTAs. I think I read that we had so many WRs that the UDFAs really didn't get any reps.

JCTexan
05-28-2012, 11:14 PM
Thank you for your contribution sir.

Let's just say my initial question was enough to entice further discussion for a message board, which players do you think would be likely to have an advantage based on factors outside the ones you listed?

I went with Jean and Maehl mainly because we'll most likely be carrying two spots for rookies who are starting from scratch, so it'll be good to have two young guys for the last open spots to have at least some familiarity with the offense.

Sorry. The way you worded it made me assume you wanted a definite statement on who will make the final 53. I just misinterpreted.

As far as a guess? I will say Jean and Jones. Jean impressed during preseason games last year and I think he could end up being the #3 WR going into the regular season. Dwight Jones is built like Andre Johnson (6-4 225) and has the talent to easily beat out Maehl (imo). His character could easily get in the way of him making the team, though.

Texans_Chick
05-29-2012, 08:16 AM
I don't think I've picked up any chatter on Dwight Jones yet ..... anyone?

Looks good in just basic drills. But only has done a very few reps in teams.

Will be interesting to see if today they mix up the WR reps like Kubiak said they might.

beerlover
05-29-2012, 09:02 AM
“They’re all what we thought they were,” he said. “Getting a little fatigued right now. That bothers me; you’ve got to be able to run all day. Posey is out here pretty tired today. We’ve got to get those guys, condition-wise, to where they can do it all day long. But talent-wise, it’s exactly what we thought we were going to get.”

Welcome to the NFL.

Playoffs
05-29-2012, 01:31 PM
Nick Scurfield ‏@NickScurfield
Rookie DeVier Posey worked w/ starters today in 3WR sets. Kubiak said Lestar Jean had his best day #Texans

1h Stephanie Stradley ‏@StephStradley
The #Texans WR that were there looked sharp. Holliday and Jean had NICE catches over the top. Maehl, Martin both had some tough catches

Texans_Chick
05-29-2012, 02:21 PM
Really like how Martin looks out of the slot. Very different.

He has nice acceleration out of the break, and then once he's going north south he looks like he has a different gear. Very noticeable.

Like Posey's hands. Soft. Catching the ball looks effortless.

Lots of oohs with both Jean and Hollidays' bomb catches. Jean's came from TJ, Holliday's came from Beck.

drs23
05-29-2012, 02:38 PM
Really like how Martin looks out of the slot. Very different.

He has nice acceleration out of the break, and then once he's going north south he looks like he has a different gear. Very noticeable.

Like Posey's hands. Soft. Catching the ball looks effortless.

Lots of oohs with both Jean and Hollidays' bomb catches. Jean's came from TJ, Holliday's came from Beck.

Glad to hear Trindon caught a long one. How was his pass catching in general TC? More completions than drops, I hope. I'd really like to see that 'lil burner make it!

Premier
05-29-2012, 02:40 PM
Got to ask oneself, after the excitement during OTAs last year, how many young receivers made it to the roster........and of those, how many produced anything?:kitten:

i agree, terrance tolliver was a stud and going to push jacoby for a roster spot last season.. where is he now.. fans get overly excited every year. reality is most of these guys will be put on the practice squad, a few standouts will contribute on special teams..

The Pencil Neck
05-29-2012, 03:22 PM
i agree, terrance tolliver was a stud and going to push jacoby for a roster spot last season.. where is he now.. fans get overly excited every year. reality is most of these guys will be put on the practice squad, a few standouts will contribute on special teams..

I don't see what's wrong with hoping some of these guys become an Arian Foster or a Mike Brisiel or a Rod Smith or a Kurt Warner or a Priest Holmes. I don't see why it's wrong to get excited about the young players fighting on the bubble of the team's roster fighting for a spot.

If you don't want to follow these guys and root for them, fine. Go read another thread. Or, if you want to say that none of these guys are going to make it, fine... that's your opinion.

All of us know that the ceiling for most of these guys is to be some marginal special teams player.

But what if one of them hits and becomes a star? Why not get excited for some of these guys and root for them to burst out into superstars?

Texans_Chick
05-29-2012, 04:36 PM
Glad to hear Trindon caught a long one. How was his pass catching in general TC? More completions than drops, I hope. I'd really like to see that 'lil burner make it!

Trindon Holliday may be the surprise of OTAs with only 4 days in.

Looks like one of the guys out there instead "they think they can make this guy into a wide receiver?" ??!!!

Looks like a wide receiver in drills. Making some nice catches during team play. Fun to watch coming out of the slot. Today was the first bomb I saw connect though he wasn't getting that many of those sorts of targets before.

Not quite the same as when the play gets more physical, but so much better than how he was.

drs23
05-29-2012, 05:09 PM
Trindon Holliday may be the surprise of OTAs with only 4 days in.

Looks like one of the guys out there instead "they think they can make this guy into a wide receiver?" ??!!!

Looks like a wide receiver in drills. Making some nice catches during team play. Fun to watch coming out of the slot. Today was the first bomb I saw connect though he wasn't getting that many of those sorts of targets before.

Not quite the same as when the play gets more physical, but so much better than how he was.

Good news! Thanks for the response.

ObsiWan
05-30-2012, 03:27 AM
I'm going with Jean and D. Jones and Maehl stays alive on the practice squad for one more year. Not to be type-casting but he looks like a K.W. replacement unit.

Well.... so much for THAT prediction...
:mcnugget:
As much as it pains me to say this, GP might have been right about Jones.





damn, did I just give GP credit out loud?
:D

Playoffs
05-30-2012, 07:55 AM
damn, did I just give GP credit out loud?
:D
Shhh...

TimeKiller
05-30-2012, 08:38 AM
No. It was a referance to the people saying the weather here is different than Ohio. I go on a vacation I look for the weather on where I am going. These kids are going to their new employer for an extended period of time and they dont kow what the weather will be like?

I'm sure they've heard hahaha...I've been a part of drum corps going through all 3 states. I can tell you this much, nobody was worried about hydration in Michigan.

GP
05-30-2012, 09:40 AM
Well.... so much for THAT prediction...
:mcnugget:
As much as it pains me to say this, GP might have been right about Jones.





damn, did I just give GP credit out loud?
:D

LOL.

I get one right every now and then.

Rey
05-30-2012, 10:08 AM
LOL.

I get one right every now and then.

We know because you let us all hear about it....:clown:.....:kitten:......:)

GP
05-30-2012, 10:40 AM
We know because you let us all hear about it....:clown:.....:kitten:......:)

Hey now, hey now...

I could have gone into orbit with a huge pat-myself-on-the-back episode. I kept it real, though.

Secretly, I was dancing around in front of my laptop like this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v660/silver_deamon_slayer/GIF/th769fd623.gif

ObsiWan
05-30-2012, 04:51 PM
Hey now, hey now...

I could have gone into orbit with a huge pat-myself-on-the-back episode. I kept it real, though.

Secretly, I was dancing around in front of my laptop like this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v660/silver_deamon_slayer/GIF/th769fd623.gif

I knew I felt a disturbance in the Force...
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CloakNNNdagger
05-30-2012, 05:15 PM
Well.... so much for THAT prediction...
:mcnugget:
As much as it pains me to say this, GP might have been right about Jones.



damn, did I just give GP credit out loud?
:D

Here, ObsiWan......let me help you out.

THANK YOU, SIR, MAY I HAVE ANOTHER! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdFLPn30dvQ)

CloakNNNdagger
05-30-2012, 06:51 PM
Lots of interesting info out there from the mother site:

Quotes: Wednesday OTA
Posted 5 hours ago


Read what Texans head coach Gary Kubiak and some players said after Wednesday's practice at the Methodist Training Center.
The Texans practiced Wednesday morning at the Methodist Training Center and after, head coach Gary Kubiak, defensive coordinator Wade Phillips and some players answered questions from the media. The following is a transcript of their respective interviews.


Head Coach Gary Kubiak
(on how he felt practice went today) “It was good. I liked the way we were battling in practice. We were kind of swapping off practice, defense wins a period and offense wins a period. That’s a good sign for your football team. It’s very competitive. It’s good and hot for us, it’s great conditioning for us. We’ve got some of those second- and third-year players really starting to do some good things out here so it’s exciting.”



(on what feels different about this team) “I wouldn’t really know how to answer that right now. We’ve got a long way to go. Every team kind of takes on its own personality. This one has a lot of fun in practice but it’s very responsible to each other, they all work. That’s what you’re looking for. Let’s hold judgment on that one. Let’s just keep going.”



(on who some of the second and third year guys are that are stepping up) “There’s some guys really jumping at me, when I look at Trindon Holliday starting to look like a wide receiver out here, he’s making plays. I think Garrett Graham is doing some good things. The defensive side of the ball, I look at (Bryan) Braman and how far he’s come in such a short period of time and also Torri Williams. What we’re going to eventually be will probably have a lot to do with how many of those types of guys step up and all of a sudden become real good pros, so we’ll see.”



(on WR Keshawn Martin) “I think he’s doing well. He’s got a lot of explosion. He needs to learn some things about the pro athlete that he’s going against because sometimes when he separates, he thinks it’s over. You’ve got to keep playing, so that’s just something to get used to but I like his work habits. He’s kept up in the book. He has an excellent chance.”



(on WR Keshawn Martin in the return game) “Well, he’s automatic catching the ball. That’s the first thing you look at. He’s very confident in doing that. You never find that out until it’s time to go play, but we’ll keep working.”



(on how the team is doing heath-wise) “We’re good. Antonio (Smith)’s back is bothering him a little bit. I pulled him out early. I don’t’ even know if he went back in, I’ll have to watch the film. For the most part, we’re holding up pretty good.”



(on if anybody was absent today) “Nobody quit. No, that’s tough. I talked to him (Dwight Jones) a couple times and he had a good college career and he’s a talented young man. It’s a grind. It’s tough out here. Hopefully, he’ll get home and things will feel a little better about it and he’ll come back and give it another try someday. He’s a very good athlete.”



(on his expectations for QB John Beck) “To me, they are all competing with T.J. (Yates). I see Matt (Schaub) as our starter and everyone is competing with T.J. right now. I think John (Beck) has the mental capacity. He understands everything we’re doing. I think we can really help John with some of the ways he plays the game. We’re trying to change some of the things he does. Time will tell. Case (Keenum) continues to come on every day. There will be plenty of reps to go around with Matt and us being smart with Matt. We’ll see how it comes out.”



(on WR DeVier Posey) “He continues to do good things. I want his conditioning level, and I’m not saying it’s bad but all these young guys need to get to where you can go all day in this Texas heat. They think they’re okay until they get down here. When that gets better, his talents will continue to take over. He made some plays and he’s a hard worker. He’s one of the last guys leaving here every day so that’s important.”



(on the status of NT Hebron Fangupo) “He’s doing good. I expect him back out here on Monday. He’s running.”



(on NT Shaun Cody not practicing today) “I’m not working him on back-to-back days. I’m just going to practice him every other day.”



(on if any of the young players are in great shape that blow him away) “I think they’re all in pretty good shape. I’m just saying when you get here and you work in this type of heat and humidity, it rained out a little bit before we came out today so it was really hot, you can tell the veteran guys that can continue to find juice throughout practice. Those young guys, after an hour or so, they can’t find it. That’s what they’re here for and they’ve got a month and a half to get themselves in better condition so they can keep competing.”



(on how far behind is ILB Darryl Sharpton from not participating) “He’s behind. How far is he behind? When he comes back, we’ll find out. I know Sharp (Darryl Sharpton) is a bright guy. He keeps up with what we’re doing, but there are no reps like getting them on the field so he’s definitely going to be behind. The key for him is to be healthy enough to compete, so that’s what we’re heading towards.”



(on if ILB Darryl Sharpton will be 100 percent in camp or if they’ll have to take it easy on him) “Nowadays, it’s so different. What’s taking it easy? A guy is really only practicing once a day anyway. He would never practice if we end up on turf. Stuff like that, yeah, we’ll do that with him. For the most part, nowadays two a days are not even a question.”



(on if this is now ILB Brian Cushing’s defense with DeMeco Ryans gone) “I think it’s all of them. I think they all look to Cush as a leader, but I think the reason we were so good last year is because it was about a family and everyone doing their job. I think that’s what we stand for as a team. Is Brian being asked to be more of a leader since DeMeco is not here? I think that’s obvious, yeah.”



(on if the wide receiver position is a concern) “It’s a concern. But I like the ability we have on the team right now with the group and we’ve come a long way just in five days. Guys that have been on the big stage, this group hasn’t but it’s got the ability to go out there and do it. Lestar (Jean) is acting like a dang good player out here every day, so we just got to stay committed to them. But we’ll continue to look, we’ll continue to watch some of these guys that are out there and see what happens through the first of June. But we got to stay focused on this group because this might be what we go to camp and then the season with. We’ll work and gotta get it done. That’s our job.”



Defensive Coordinator Wade Phillips
(on what rookie OLB Whitney Mercilus has done well and what he needs to improve on to this point) “I think, like all rookies, we’ve hit him with a lot of stuff and it slows him down a little bit on the field but he’s a real smart guy and a hard worker. That’s what I really like about him.”



(on ILB Bradie James) “He’s the signal caller. He calls all the signals and all the audibles. He already knows them, so that’s the good thing. We put in a few different things, but he’s caught onto those real quickly. He’s real familiar with what we’re doing and how we want it done and what changes we need to make in the heat of the battle. That’s what I like about him.”



(on the perception that ILB Bradie James didn’t have much football left in him) “I think he moves around good. That’s what I look for. I don’t see much difference in him than a year and a half ago.”



(on how far behind ILB Darryl Sharpton is because of his injury rehabilitation) “It obviously hurts him. Being out there watching and being in the meetings is one thing but being out on the field and doing it…and certain guys are different. Some guys can just watch and go out there and play and other guys can’t. He played real good for us early last year and we’re hoping he comes back.”



(on where ILB Bradie James is right now compared to when he last coached him) “Pretty much the same. The guy is a field general, is the quarterback out on the field, knows what we’re calling. Sometimes we signal things, which I can go through the whole signals with some guys and I just do one thing and he knows what the call is. If we play somebody that has a hurry-up offense, he has no problem. It’s boom-boom-boom, he gets it done. That’s the real help he gives you.”



(on how much pressure there is on rookie to perform, given the way OLB Brooks Reed and DE J.J. Watt performed in their rookie seasons) “We got a solid group right now. What we wanted to do was try pick up where we left off last year. If we can play as good as we were going into the playoffs and then in the playoffs especially; I thought we played outstanding defensively the last two games. If we can get to that point early and then go from there, I think we’ll be where we want to be.”



(on if this is ILB Brian Cushing’s defense) “He’s the example. He’s the guy that plays hard, plays tremendously hard, has great athletic ability, but uses it. That’s the example we use on him.”



(on learning about players during OTAs) “Yeah, that’s more what we had to do last season to see what everyone could do. Once we realized how good (Brian) Cushing was rushing the passer from inside, we did it quite bit last year, if you noticed and we got better and better at it. Same thing with Brooks Reed and what he could do. J.J. (Watt) can stunt and he’s really quick at it, so we utilize that. Yeah, the more you learn about them, the better you can call and set up things for them, specific players that do specific things. Same thing with Connor (Barwin). Connor’s a really good rush guy. We could use him as a drop guy but we switched in the middle of the season and said, ‘Hey, you’re our rush guy,’ and he had 10 or 11 sacks right after that.”



(on how good it is to ILB Bradie James in his defensive system, being that he already knows it) “It’s good guys know what to do. The first thing you have to do is not make many mistakes and you need a signal caller that helps everybody and Bradie (James) does that. He can tell everybody, ‘Hey, this is where we’re playing. I cover this guy, you cover that guy. Safety’s got him.’ He knows the whole defense. A lot of players know their own position but Bradie knows the whole defense, so that helps.”



ILB Brian Cushing
(on how he is feeling after five practices) “I’m feeling good. I think the whole team is feeling good and we’re comfortable with where we are right now. It’s been a good couple of days so far of practice, and we are just looking to continue to grow and get better.”



(on whether he is comfortable taking on more of a leadership role with the defense) “I feel that I’ve really had to take that role for a while now, even when (former Texans ILB) DeMeco (Ryans) and all those guys were here. That’s just the kind of player I am. I want it upon myself, and now more than ever, I guess.”



(on earning the right to be a leader on the defense) “Well, yeah. It’s something that I want. I know a lot of guys would rather not have it or whatnot, but I feel that it’s part of my responsibility being on this team.”



(on how the rookies on defense have adjusted so far) “I think they’re doing well, because it’s so competitive out here. A lot of these guys are established; they’ve been in the playbook for two or three years now. It’s tough, there’s no doubt about it, when you’re a rookie, and the only thing you can do is just hustle hard every day because you’re not going to be 100 percent with the plays or whatnot.”



(on rookie OLB Whitney Mercilus’ performance so far) “I think he’s done a good job, but it’s tough. OTAs, everyone looks good in some shorts, so we’ll wait til August when we get the pads on and start playing real football.”



(on whether the performances of DE J.J. Watt and OLB Brooks Reed last year create more pressure on this year’s rookie defenders) “I don’t think so, because if you look at the specifics of what (OLB) Whitney’s (Mercilus) coming into, there’s a good chance he probably won’t even start. I think he’s coming into a defense that’s, I wouldn’t say established, but we definitely found our identity. We look to continue to grow, and I think he just needs to contribute. He doesn’t need any added pressure of thinking he needs to be a certain player or have 10 sacks or anything like that. He just needs to play football like he can.”



(on ILB Bradie James) “Oh, he’s great. He’s your typical example of an older guy with leadership. He’s been out of (Defensive Coordinator) Wade’s (Phillips) system now for two years, but he just comes right in and he doesn’t miss a beat.”



(on whether he feels like this is his team) “Well, I really wouldn’t specifically put it on one person, but if it’s said to be that, that’s fine with me. That’s something that I’ll accept and continue to go forward with, but we’re a collective unit. It’s all of the guys, whatever 53 we put out there, chipping in and contributing.”



(on what Defensive Coordinator Wade Phillips has meant to him and to the team) “Oh, a ton. How well he coaches this team and how simple he makes it. Football is just a whole lot more fun playing for him. You’re free, you play loose, and you just go out there and have a good time.”



(on whether DE J.J. Watt’s comment that his only goal is the Super Bowl is representative of the whole team’s attitude) “I think so, yeah. That’s the ultimate goal for any football player, and I think everyone on all 32 teams would say the same thing, but at the same time, we’ve got to go 1-0 first. That’s all that matters – winning that first game.”



WR Keshawn Martin
(on whether he feels that his ability to return punts can help him make the team) “It just gives them another reason to pick me, so yeah, that’s something that I feel like I can bring to the table also, doing returns and playing receiver.”



(on what makes him a good punt returner) “Just instincts; just finding a hole and then bursting up the field.”



(on whether he can return kickoffs as well) “I returned a couple of kicks at Michigan State, so I feel like I can definitely return kicks, too.”



(on whether there has been an adjustment to working with NFL quarterbacks) “It’s a little adjustment, but I had a good quarterback at Michigan State, so it’s not that much different.”

CloakNNNdagger
05-30-2012, 07:03 PM
Intriguing group of young players stepping up in OTAs
Posted by Nick Scurfield on May 30, 2012 – 4:47 pm


The Texans had their fifth practice of organized team activities (OTAs) and second practice of the week on Wednesday at the Methodist Training Center.

Head coach Gary Kubiak said he liked the competition at practice – the defense would win a period, then the offense would win a period, back and forth throughout. Kubiak also said he’s excited to see some of the Texans’ second- and third-year players “really starting to do some good things” on the field.

“There’s some guys really jumping at me,” he said. “When I look at (wide receiver) Trindon Holliday starting to look like a wide receiver out here, he’s making plays. I think (tight end) Garrett Graham is doing some good things. The defensive side of the ball, I look at (outside linebacker Bryan) Braman and how far he’s come in such a short period of time, and also Torri Williams. What we’re going to eventually be (as a team) will probably have a lot to do with how many of those types of guys step up and all of a sudden become real good pros, so we’ll see.”

It’s an interesting group of players that Kubiak listed. Let’s take a closer look at them:

Holliday is the team’s smallest player at 5-5, 170. He’s also probably the team’s fastest player, with official electronic times of 4.34 seconds in the 40-yard dash and 10.0 in the 100 meters. He was drafted in the sixth round in 2010 primarily for his return prowess, since he barely played receiver at LSU. After spending his rookie year on injured reserve, he spent most of last season on the Texans’ practice squad. Kubiak has said time and again that Holliday will need to show he can help the team as more than just a returner, and it sounds like he’s on his way doing just that.

Graham is entering his third season out of Wisconsin. A fourth-round pick in 2010, he has drawn favorable comparisons to fellow former Badger (and Texans fourth-round pick) Owen Daniels but has rarely seen the field in his first two years, in part because of injuries. At the NFL Scouting Combine in February, Kubiak said the biggest thing for Graham is to stay healthy and called this a “huge offseason” for him. James Casey is currently the Texans’ number two tight end and starting fullback, but Graham has a clear chance at more playing time this year with Joel Dreessen now on the Denver Broncos.
Braman (6-5, 246) made the team last year as an undrafted rookie out of West Texas A&M. He’s a gifted athlete who had some off-field issues in college; the Texans took a chance on him based on the recommendation of defensive assistant Bobby King, who coached him at West Texas. Braman turned heads in the preseason last year with his pass-rushing ability and unique off-field story, and he was one of the Texans’ best special teams players in 2011. This play pretty much sums him up.

Williams (6-2, 210) has been playing cornerback in OTAs. He was listed at free safety for the last two seasons. He played both positions in college at Purdue – corner in his final two seasons in 2008-09 and safety from 2004-07 (he had six years of eligibility after season-ending injuries in 2005 and 2006). Undrafted in 2010, Williams was activated from the practice squad for one game as a rookie before suffering a season-ending hamstring injury. In 2011, he was released in the Texans’ final roster cuts in the preseason but re-signed to the practice squad a month later. The Texans did not sign a veteran corner after losing Jason Allen in free agency to the Cincinnati Bengals, so there could be room for Williams to push for a roster spot.

Texans_Chick
05-30-2012, 08:39 PM
Holliday grabbed a great bomb over the top yesterday. Had the only bomb of today. Lestar Jean powered over a defender to catch a bomb yesterday.

Holliday had two catches where he climbed up to get them over the defenders. Big ups. Holliday really is the surprise of OTAs so far. But then again, expectations were very low.

Very very hot today. First day with no breeze. It started out with clouds and the full on sun.

I think some of the work with Beck is about taking a little off his balls for certain throws. He did well with that today.

A lot of the coaching of Case Keenum is him reading the defense and putting the ball where it is supposed to go.

Best moments of camp today: Connor Barwin chasing Ben Tate way down field with some serious speed. And Duane Brown continuing the block way into the second level. Lots of efforting.

There's a group that works on the side field who are recovering from injury. Schaub working a lot on footwork. Looks very natural. Fangupo, Alexander, Sharpton working on that field too. Cody is alternating days so he was doing his own work on the side-they are trying to save some of the older guys. AJ was not working on the side field but instead hanging with the wide receivers--towel on head.

KMG 365
05-30-2012, 10:10 PM
TC, do you know if Desmond Marrow is practicing as a safety or a corner? How does he look out there? I know it's a longshot for Marrow to make the team, but I'm rooting for him.

Thanks

ObsiWan
05-31-2012, 01:52 AM
Here, ObsiWan......let me help you out.

THANK YOU, SIR, MAY I HAVE ANOTHER! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdFLPn30dvQ)

somehow, that doesn't look like fun to me.

ObsiWan
05-31-2012, 01:56 AM
There's a group that works on the side field who are recovering from injury. Schaub working a lot on footwork. Looks very natural. Fangupo, Alexander, Sharpton working on that field too. Cody is alternating days so he was doing his own work on the side-they are trying to save some of the older guys. AJ was not working on the side field but instead hanging with the wide receivers--towel on head.

It's a Jedi Master thing
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ObsiWan
05-31-2012, 02:13 AM
I think some of the work with Beck is about taking a little off his balls for certain throws. He did well with that today.

A lot of the coaching of Case Keenum is him reading the defense and putting the ball where it is supposed to go.


Seriously, thanks for the spy work; don't know what we'd do without you on the scene.

I'm interested in Yates. Maybe it's just me, but I didn't get the feel, last year, that he was correctly going through his progressions. How does he look this year; or can you really tell anything during 7-on-7 about how well he's making his reads??

I know this would be speculation at this point (but what else we got to talk about), do you think Beck actually has a shot to leapfrog Yates or is he principally a camp arm?

Thanks again.

Texans_Chick
05-31-2012, 03:49 PM
Seriously, thanks for the spy work; don't know what we'd do without you on the scene.

I'm interested in Yates. Maybe it's just me, but I didn't get the feel, last year, that he was correctly going through his progressions. How does he look this year; or can you really tell anything during 7-on-7 about how well he's making his reads??

I know this would be speculation at this point (but what else we got to talk about), do you think Beck actually has a shot to leapfrog Yates or is he principally a camp arm?

Thanks again.

Can't say much on that. Know he isn't getting the business from Kubiak like sometimes the other two do. Looks fine. But hard to tell much without real pass rush or knowing where the ball is supposed to go.

Will say he did a beautiful bomb to Kevin Walter during 7 on 7s today.

Here's my most recent update on things (http://blog.chron.com/texanschick/2012/05/texans-otas-no-news-is-good-news/).

Really, the idea behind it is no news is good news. You don't want your OTAs making real news. Just lots of teaching being done.

GP
05-31-2012, 05:04 PM
Holliday is doing very well so far, but then I see Kubiak's comments about Keshawn Martin and I wonder if Holliday won't be able to match Martin in the role of WR/Returner.

Kubiak seems very excited about Keshawn Martin.

TejasTom
05-31-2012, 05:12 PM
Quotes: Wednesday OTA

Head Coach Gary Kubiak
(on WR Keshawn Martin in the return game) “Well, he’s automatic catching the ball. That’s the first thing you look at. He’s very confident in doing that. You never find that out until it’s time to go play, but we’ll keep working.”

Is Kubiak taking a shot at Jacoby here?

Scooter
05-31-2012, 07:28 PM
i'm loving that it sounds like holliday might get a legit shot at becoming a receiver. obviously being a 6'3" 230lb sprinter with hops is nice, but it isnt the only way to be productive. danny amendola comes to mind, and he doesnt have a fraction of holliday's top end. if holliday can work his butt off and become a strong route runner, he'd be an amazing weapon to have on the field - it doesnt take size to sit in a zone or create underneath separation.

then again i whiffed on hoping the last two "weapons" would figure it out - jacoby and slaton.

mussop
05-31-2012, 07:59 PM
Is Kubiak taking a shot at Jacoby here?

I was thinking the exact same thing.

CretorFrigg
05-31-2012, 08:27 PM
Is anybody else worried about Trindon Holliday? He might be able to catch and run routes, but I'm worried about his ability to hold on to the ball after a reception.

powda
05-31-2012, 08:39 PM
Is anybody else worried about Trindon Holliday? He might be able to catch and run routes, but I'm worried about his ability to hold on to the ball after a reception.

When they use him in the slot your going to see him on a lot of crossing routes. Im more worried about his chances of survival when a LB has a clean shot at him.

Scooter
05-31-2012, 08:48 PM
Is anybody else worried about Trindon Holliday? He might be able to catch and run routes, but I'm worried about his ability to hold on to the ball after a reception.

to an extent. obviously he wont be able to fend off 225lb safeties going for blow up hits like walter or andre can, but at the same time his size and speed help to keep clean hits from happening. in his words "i'm so quick and able to move faster than other guys, those guys arent able to get a good hit on me". he wouldnt have made it this far if he didnt have the body control to take football hits and hold onto the ball.

powda
05-31-2012, 09:00 PM
to an extent. obviously he wont be able to fend off 225lb safeties going for blow up hits like walter or andre can, but at the same time his size and speed help to keep clean hits from happening. in his words "i'm so quick and able to move faster than other guys, those guys arent able to get a good hit on me". he wouldnt have made it this far if he didnt have the body control to take football hits and hold onto the ball.

If linebackers didnt have the body control to catch shifty fast guys they wouldnt have made it this far.

Assuming holliday gets any real playing time, he'll stop getting playing time because of injury.

infantrycak
05-31-2012, 09:26 PM
If linebackers didnt have the body control to catch shifty fast guys they wouldnt have made it this far.

Signed,

Troy Palamalu (not a linebacker, a should be even faster safety) as he is still digging grass out of his facemask from trying to tackle Foster.

Having said that I doubt Holliday plays any big role on the team.

powda
05-31-2012, 09:35 PM
If linebackers didnt have the body control to catch shifty fast guys they wouldnt have made it this far.

Signed,
The other 44 billion quick midgets who thought they had a chance in the nfl.

infantrycak
05-31-2012, 09:49 PM
Signed,
The other 44 billion quick midgets who thought they had a chance in the nfl.

Just a homer messing with you comment.

Gotta admit those were nice moves by Foster though. Actually not really a homer comment. Those were good moves.

Wolf
05-31-2012, 10:08 PM
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/296156_2069612420127_1922073901_n.jpg

b0ng
05-31-2012, 10:55 PM
Will be interesting seeing if Holliday makes the final 53.

Cjeremy635
05-31-2012, 11:34 PM
i'm loving that it sounds like holliday might get a legit shot at becoming a receiver. obviously being a 6'3" 230lb sprinter with hops is nice, but it isnt the only way to be productive. danny amendola comes to mind, and he doesnt have a fraction of holliday's top end. if holliday can work his butt off and become a strong route runner, he'd be an amazing weapon to have on the field - it doesnt take size to sit in a zone or create underneath separation.

then again i whiffed on hoping the last two "weapons" would figure it out - jacoby and slaton.

I wish he was more of an "all heart" guy like Danny Woodhead. Danny is small, 180ish, but he's tough as nails. I'll take all heart over "possibly talented" every day of the week.

CloakNNNdagger
06-01-2012, 12:12 AM
Quotes: Thursday OTA (HT.com)
Posted 5 hours ago


The Texans had their sixth practice of organized team activities (OTAs) on Thursday morning at the Methodist Training Center.
The Texans had their sixth practice of organized team activities (OTAs) on Thursday morning at the Methodist Training Center. The following is a transcript of head coach Gary Kubiak and others' interviews from the field after practice.

Head Coach Gary Kubiak
CB Johnathan Joseph
WR Kevin Walter
DE J.J. Watt

Head Coach Gary Kubiak
(on how today’s OTA session went) “Really good defensively today. I thought we ended the week (with) probably one of our best defensive practices. So that means it probably wasn’t a very good offensively. But that’s good. We’ve got good competition going on and we’ve been good and healthy throughout this course of the first six days. We’ve got a lot of things to cover next week but I’ve been pleased.”

(on the competition on both sides of the ball compared to years past) “It’s the best I’ve seen. We had a lot of new faces, I would say, last year getting started in camp. So they’re familiar with each other. They get on each other pretty good out here and they compete pretty good. That’s a sign of a good football team, when you’re going back and forth at each other all the time. Like I said, it’s been pretty good from that standpoint.”

(on how the right side of the offensive line looks) “We’re in shorts, so it looks good. You never know until you start banging. I think the biggest thing is (Antoine) Caldwell has held up. He’s had a good six days. The biggest think with his career is just staying healthy. (Rashad) Butler and (Derek) Newton got a good battle going on and that will work itself out. The young guard (Brandon Brooks) is going to be very competitive for a starting job. So it’s kind of what we thought it was and just keep going.”

(on how impressed he’s been with rookies OLB Whitney Mercilus and DE Jared Crick) “Well, (Whitney) Mercilus, athletically, is probably even more than what we thought he was. He’s excellent. He’s learning to do things on special teams and stuff. (Jared) Crick is grinder as a player. He’s an effort player, a physical player. That’s exactly what is usually very successful with (assistant head coach/defensive line) Bill (Kollar) as a coach. But you’re waiting to get the pads on with big guys, so we’ll see.”

(on what he wants to see in the final week of OTAs) “We’ve got a lot of teaching to do. We’ve got a lot of things we want to cover; two-minute, red zone, a lot of stuff. Just want to get that covered and hopefully I’m feeling good about the end of the week next week with everything that the veterans have done and then we’ll see where we’re at going into mini-camp.”

(on if RT Derek Newton is putting pressure on RT Rashad Butler for a starting spot) “No doubt. He’s playing really well. We’re in shorts, so it’s hard to tell with big guys. Athletically and then now mentally, (Derek) Newton is catching up enough to battle for a starting spot. So that’ll be a really good battle.”

(on what he likes about RT Derek Newton) “He can run. He’s very strong. I think I’ve told you over and over again the biggest thing is he came from a program where he didn’t have a great football background knowledge-wise. That’s not his fault. He’s catching up, so he’s learning NFL-wise, film-wise all the fronts he’s got to see. When that gets automatic for him there’s no doubt in my mind he’s got a chance to be a starter.”

CB Johnathan Joseph
(on how much being in Defensive Coordinator Wade Phillips’ system for a second year will help the defensive backs) “The NFL is all about timing. If you have time to grow and time to slow the game down, you’ll be that much better, and for those young guys, you can kind of see that taking place right now with those guys just running out and making plays. You saw (CB) Sherrick McManis almost have two interceptions today. I talk to him every day and he says the game is slowing down a lot for him. So to see the young guys come out and say that and experience that is a great deal for those guys.”

WR Kevin Walter
(on rookie WRs DeVier Posey and Keshawn Martin) “DeVier, he’s a great guy. He’s got size, he can run, get in and out of his breaks. The same with Keshawn. Keshawn’s from Michigan State; he can run fast, he can make plays. Those two guys are going to help us out big-time.”

(on how much it helps the rookie receivers to get extra reps with WR Andre Johnson not practicing) “No doubt about it. They’re getting reps; everyone’s getting reps, and the more reps you’re out there, the more you’re going to get better. Those guys are doing a great job. Each day, they’re getting better. It’s going to be a lot of fun this year.”

(on whether he has taken the rookie receivers under his wing during OTAs) “Oh, absolutely. They come to me every day with questions, ‘What should I do here?’ and this and that. As long as we’re on the same page (because) we’re all in this together. That’s what I tell them: ‘We’re all in this together. If you have any questions, don’t leave the huddle without knowing what to do,’ and they’re doing a good job.”

(on whether the young receivers are pushing him) “Oh, no doubt about it. Absolutely. These guys are giving effort day-in and day-out. They’re very impressive. I’m learning from them as well as they’re learning from me, so like I said, we’re all in this together and it’s going to be a fun year.”

(on what skills he’s noticed in the rookie receivers) “I see everything. That’s why they got drafted: they can do everything. They’re learning these concepts pretty quick; they get in and out of their breaks; they’re fast; they can catch the ball. They’re a big asset to this team. I know why we drafted them. It’s big-time.”

(on how willing the rookie wide receivers have been to ask him for advice) “DeVier (Posey), he talks more than Keshawn (Martin). Keshawn’s more of a quiet guy kind of like (WR) Andre (Johnson), but DeVier, he’ll come to you – I sit next to him in meetings – and ask questions, and that’s what you want. It helps him out, it helps me out, and we’re all in this together.”

(on the competition that is taking place among the wide receivers) “This training camp, we’re going to compete. We’re all going to compete. We’re all competing to get better; we’re all competing for jobs, and that’s the way it should be.”

(on what he has learned from the rookie wide receivers) “It’s amazing – DeVier (Posey) I think was in seventh grade my rookie year. It’s unbelievable, and for him to come out here and run routes and latch on right away, it’s impressive watching him day-in and day-out work.”

(on whether he’s learned any techniques from the rookie wide receivers) “Every receiver is different. Not one receiver is the same (as another) and we’ve been around each other the past few weeks and you try to learn things from him and he learns things from me. You try and apply them to each other’s game. I think that (WR) DeVier (Posey) is pretty special and I think (WR) Keshawn (Martin) is also; and I know once Dre (WR Andre Johnson) gets out here, we’re all looking to Dre to try to get better, too.”

(on WR Lestar Jean) “Lestar, he’s making plays out there. He’s explosive, he’s smart, he knows how to get open and he’s done a good job. Last year, he got injured and it was too bad because I think he would have done a great job last year helping us out. He’s going to make plays this year. He’s going to help this ballclub.”

(on his personal goals for the upcoming season) “I always have goals. I want to get better each year. In this League, if you’re not getting better, you’re not going to be sticking around. I feel good; I feel fast; I feel just how I want to be. There’s still a lot of time between now and training camp to get better and polish some things up, but I feel great.”

(on rookie WR Jerrell Jackson) “He’s an impressive kid. He can run, he can catch. He seems like the all-around, overall good package as a receiver.”

DE J.J. Watt
(on the rookies getting on the same page with the rest of the team) “They’re definitely coming along. You can tell as the week goes on that they’re really starting to pick up the defense. You can tell because they’re playing faster. The first couple days, they were just trying to make sure that they’re doing the right thing. Now they’re trying to do the right thing and play good football. It’s good to see.”

(on how different these OTAs are for him after having one year under his belt) “It’s really comfortable for me because I have the playbook down. Now it’s just concentrating on my game and making sure that I can get my pass rush moves down and making sure I get my run reads down. It’s nice to be able to focus on the little things that are really going to help improve my game.”

(on the rookies progress so far in camp) “It’s good. They’re bringing some serious intensity and especially as we move forward, they’re starting to get a little more comfortable in their own skin. We’re really starting to get to see what they’re about. They’re definitely pushing each other and they’re pushing us. It’s fun. It’s fun to have a little competition.”

(on the Texans now having the bulls-eye on their back) “The bar has definitely been raised quite a bit. I was actually just talked to Bum Phillips before practice. He told me how every team is going to be gunning for us now that we have the target on our back. I like that, personally. It’s good to have that pressure from other teams. One thing that he said, he said everybody is going to be bringing their A-game. I said, ‘Well we’re going to bring our A-game too.’ It’s not going to be a cakewalk for anyone who comes into Reliant.”

(on if he likes that the Texans are now in the national conversation) “Yeah, of course. You want to be in that conversation. It’s a good thing. It’s a testament to the hard work that has gone on here over the last 10 years. It’s a testament to the players and coaches and we hope that more and more attention comes our way because that means we’re winning games. That’s the plan.”

(on what advice he has for the young guys for the heat) “There’s not much you can do to prepare for it. Drink plenty of Gatorade and water and get your rest now, because there’s nothing you can do to prepare for this Texas heat. It’s unlike anything I’ve ever seen.”

ObsiWan
06-01-2012, 03:57 AM
Is Kubiak taking a shot at Jacoby here?

I was thinking the exact same thing.

That doesn't sound like Kubiak's M.O. to me.

Scooter
06-01-2012, 07:06 AM
If linebackers didnt have the body control to catch shifty fast guys they wouldnt have made it this far.

Assuming holliday gets any real playing time, he'll stop getting playing time because of injury.

mccluster from the same draft (5'7" 170lbs) played all 16 games last year as a runningback and receiver. dunta robinson at 5'10" 183lbs is considered one of the hardest hitting db's in the league. wes welker, julian edelman, danny woodhead, danny amendola, desean jackson, darren sproles and 44 million other quick midgets are making their way in the NFL. i'm not sure why you're assuming that he's guaranteed to get injured - atleast more than anyone else who plays the game.

linebackers dont have the speed or body control to cover rob gronkowski, they're not even a concern for holliday unless the quarterback floats one into a defender.

powda
06-01-2012, 08:22 AM
mccluster from the same draft (5'7" 170lbs) played all 16 games last year as a runningback and receiver. dunta robinson at 5'10" 183lbs is considered one of the hardest hitting db's in the league. wes welker, julian edelman, danny woodhead, danny amendola, desean jackson, darren sproles and 44 million other quick midgets are making their way in the NFL. i'm not sure why you're assuming that he's guaranteed to get injured - atleast more than anyone else who plays the game.

linebackers dont have the speed or body control to cover rob gronkowski, they're not even a concern for holliday unless the quarterback floats one into a defender.

Holliday is 5'5 169 and he is not the caliber of robinson, gronkowski, or mccluster. Despite that mccluster missed signifigant time in college due to injury (shoulderx2,concussion,ankle, and swine flu (lol)) His rookie year in the nfl he missed 6 games. The kc coaching staff has reportedly tried to keep his touches per game around 10 to help minimize his beating.

Welker injury status probable/questionable/IR -30 career games

woodhead injury status IR/questionable/probable - 27 career games

Danny Amedola injury status IR/questionable/doubtfull - 19 career games

Julian Edelman injury status questionable/OUT/probable/doubtfull -25 career games

desean jackson injury status probable/questionable/out -12 career games

Darren sproles injury status questionable/IR -26 career games

All of these guys are bigger then Holliday. Let time tell the story.

IDEXAN
06-01-2012, 08:36 AM
(on if RT Derek Newton is putting pressure on RT Rashad Butler for a starting spot) “No doubt. He’s playing really well. We’re in shorts, so it’s hard to tellwith big guys. Athletically and then now mentally, (Derek) Newton is catching up enough to battle for a starting spot. So that’ll be a really good battle.”

(on what he likes about RT Derek Newton) “He can run. He’s very strong. I think I’ve told you over and over again the biggest thing is he came from a program where he didn’t have a great football background knowledge-wise. That’s not his fault. He’s catching up, so he’s learning NFL-wise, film-wise all the fronts he’s got to see. When that gets automatic for him there’s no doubt in my mind he’s got a chance to be a starter.”
************************************************** ***
Looks like Newton is for real. This 2010 7th round pick has turned out to be a real value choice for the Texans and whichever scout who saw the potential for this young man deserves a bonus.

TejasTom
06-01-2012, 08:48 AM
Andre Johnson injury status probable/questionable/IR -22 career games

Playoffs
06-01-2012, 08:59 AM
That doesn't sound like Kubiak's M.O. to me.
Me either. I doubt Kubiak is thinking about Jacoby anymore. He's got a camp full of Texans to worry about now.

powda
06-01-2012, 08:59 AM
Andre Johnson injury status probable/questionable/IR -22 career games

Hold onto whatever illusions you like. Guys 5'5 169 lbs or in the same mold are more injury prone. PERIOD.

rmartin65
06-01-2012, 09:04 AM
Hold onto whatever illusions you like. Guys 5'5 169 lbs or in the same mold are more injury prone. PERIOD.

What is your beef with Holliday? QUESTION MARK?

Nobody is saying he is going to be a star, but if he can give us 10 plays or so, he has game breaking speed and can really help the team. PERIOD.

powda
06-01-2012, 09:20 AM
Nobody is saying he is going to be a star, but if he can give us 10 plays or so, he has game breaking speed and can really help the team.

I would love to see that as well. I WANT him to succeed. Out of all the people named I think we forgot one...


Trindon Holliday injury status - injured reserve - 16 games + playoffs ! (exclimation point)

Scooter
06-01-2012, 09:57 AM
Welker injury status probable/questionable/IR -30 career games

woodhead injury status IR/questionable/probable - 27 career games

Danny Amedola injury status IR/questionable/doubtfull - 19 career games

Julian Edelman injury status questionable/OUT/probable/doubtfull -25 career games

desean jackson injury status probable/questionable/out -12 career games

Darren sproles injury status questionable/IR -26 career games

perfect example that everybody gets injured eventually in football, though several of those injuries had nothing to do with size or impact. wes welker's knee giving out without being touched for example. mario williams is just about a perfect physical specimen in football and always had a nagging injury, andre's not far behind. sure you dont want little guys being your wedge busters or taking a 5 yard cross against a cover 2, but that's common sense - similar actions are taken at every position to protect from major and unseen hits. obviously leading him blindly into patrick willis is going to hurt holliday a lot more than it would brandon marshall, but that's why coaches try to be smart about these guys (such as limiting snaps). given that, i'm no more concerned about the odds of holliday getting hurt than i would be anyone else on the team.

Trindon Holliday injury status - injured reserve - 16 games + playoffs

kinda hard to hold that one against him, as i understand it was a relatively minor thumb injury that was enough to allow him on IR instead of using a space on the practice squad.

i get what you're saying, but at only 5'5" there's proportionately plenty of muscle on the kid. i dont think he's going to make it because of the fear about his size as well as how specialized his role would have to be, but he's definitely fun for me to root for because of being that elusive waterbug with world class speed. get him the ball and see what he can create.

Rey
06-01-2012, 10:12 AM
Trindon Holliday injury status - injured reserve - 16 games + playoffs ! (exclimation point)

Trindon was not on the injured reserve last year. He was on the practice squad and was even called up for 1 game in which he didn't get the chance to do anything other than fair catch.

Scooter
06-01-2012, 10:25 AM
Trindon was not on the injured reserve last year. He was on the practice squad and was even called up for 1 game in which he didn't get the chance to do anything other than fair catch.

he was IR'd his rookie season with a thumb injury.

powda
06-01-2012, 10:30 AM
ooops. Yup 2011. A season nonetheless. I actually want to see him make it as a kick returner. Just dont think he's gonna hold up. Doesnt k martin do kick offs and punt return duties?

TimeKiller
06-01-2012, 10:56 AM
Another thread with somebody ripping on Holliday. Lord, help me.

Rey
06-01-2012, 11:00 AM
he was IR'd his rookie season with a thumb injury.

I know that.

powda
06-01-2012, 11:18 AM
Another thread with somebody ripping on Holliday. Lord, help me.

It's the offseason...what did you expect?

CloakNNNdagger
06-01-2012, 12:46 PM
Trinidon has had to deal with size issues from when he was just a youngster. He has always been labelled as too good to be true. Yet he has, at least to this point, been able to run with the big boys.

Issues with size (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trindon_Holliday)

Holliday returns a kickoff in the second half against South Carolina on September 22, 2007.Holliday had a difficult time getting started in football. His mother held him out of football until 7th grade, because she was afraid he would get hurt. After several years of performing at a high level, his high school coaches finally let him start as a running back during his junior year. In his senior year he accumulated over 2,000 yards and over 30 touchdowns, leading Northeast High to back-to-back State Semi-Final appearances.

Fearing that college recruiters would not believe Holliday's actual running times, his high school coaches added to his recorded times before sending them in. Despite his speed records, several schools, including Duke and Louisiana-Lafayette, rejected Holliday due to his small size.

Holliday was never scheduled to appear at LSU's camp. LSU was interested in another Northeast player, (WR Aaron Brown) but that player didn't want to go to the camp alone. So David Masterson, Holliday's high school coach, took Holliday along also. After initial workouts, Holliday ran the 40 in 4.28 seconds wearing high top basketball shoes. The time was so outrageous that the LSU coaches began arguing if they had started their stopwatches on time. "They asked me if Trindon could run it again," Masterson said. "He didn't even get in a track stance. He ran the second 40 in 4.27. He's one of those little freaks of nature." Despite this, LSU coach Les Miles still considered canceling Holliday's scholarship offer until holdover offensive coordinator Jimbo Fisher convinced Miles that Holliday could play at a college level.

Reported in one source I've read to be ~4.20 (He went on to run an NFL Combine 40 in 4.21).

TdotTexas2Step
06-01-2012, 02:05 PM
Holliday has world class speed, that much is certain. I won't say he'll ever amount to anything on the Texans, but that speed will allow him to hang on with teams - whether that's on the playing roster or practice squad - for the next few years barring leg injuries.

I would love for the Texans to spend an entire drive during preseason getting the ball in Holiday's hands. Just one drive. Whether it's deep balls, bubble screens, toss plays as a running back even. Anything to see if he's capable of making a play or two during the regular season.

GP
06-01-2012, 02:47 PM
Another thread with somebody ripping on Holliday. Lord, help me.

:violin

pirbroke
06-01-2012, 02:59 PM
Sometimes I think kubes really talks up some of the players that deserve to get a chance, wether it's from good attitude or talent. I am talking about players that are going to have a tough time making the team due to numbers. It would not surprise me that his name keeps coming up all the way to the day he is let go, for the sole reason of helping him find another team.

Rey
06-01-2012, 03:48 PM
Sproles is about an inch taller and about 15-20 lbs heavier.

Not a HUGE difference, but I think if Sproles can survive in the land of the Giants Holiday has a good shot at doing so.

Maddict5
06-01-2012, 07:12 PM
Sometimes I think kubes really talks up some of the players that deserve to get a chance, wether it's from good attitude or talent. I am talking about players that are going to have a tough time making the team due to numbers. It would not surprise me that his name keeps coming up all the way to the day he is let go, for the sole reason of helping him find another team.

bingo... im reminded of last yr (maybe two) when he was continually praising that DT(edit: Malcolm sheppard) that the titans ended up signing off our practice squad

Scooter
06-01-2012, 07:55 PM
Sometimes I think kubes really talks up some of the players that deserve to get a chance, wether it's from good attitude or talent. I am talking about players that are going to have a tough time making the team due to numbers. It would not surprise me that his name keeps coming up all the way to the day he is let go, for the sole reason of helping him find another team.

that's an unfortunate truth that i hadnt thought of. kubiak does tend to talk up guys, especially fringe players, who will be looking to get onto another team in the near future.

powda
06-01-2012, 08:13 PM
that's an unfortunate truth that i hadnt thought of. kubiak does tend to talk up guys, especially fringe players, who will be looking to get onto another team in the near future.

Ive wondered if he does it on fringe players who either have a weak ego or need to be pushed. He knows they see everything he says.

NastyNate
06-01-2012, 08:30 PM
Ive wondered if he does it on fringe players who either have a weak ego or need to be pushed. He knows they see everything he says.

Players probably pay $100 per compliment. So kubes is just getting a little offseason beer money :kitten:

powda
06-01-2012, 08:37 PM
Players probably pay $100 per compliment. So kubes is just getting a little offseason beer money :kitten:

I like pirbrokes theory. Kubiak was a player. If they're handing out beer money i'll say nice things to!

beerlover
06-01-2012, 11:19 PM
Players probably pay $100 per compliment. So kubes is just getting a little offseason beer money :kitten:

somebody mention beer :wesmantexanfan:

ObsiWan
06-02-2012, 01:39 PM
somebody mention beer :wesmantexanfan:
Ninkasi!!

...or is that Namaste...?

Rey
06-04-2012, 10:24 AM
http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/wp-content/blogs.dir/2348/files/texans-otas/20120531_texans-otas_btc_26.jpg

CloakNNNdagger
06-04-2012, 01:05 PM
LB Cushing out with sore knee
by Brandon Williams, CBSSports.com

Coach Gary Kubiak said that ILB Brian Cushing would miss a couple of days with a sore knee. Cushing did not practice with the team on Monday, as Kubiak added there is no serious concern with the issue.

Not reported here, but Cushing's MRI was negative. This early into the offseason, you would still tend to have concern, especially if it is his right knee (previous patellar tendon surgery).

Playoffs
06-04-2012, 01:08 PM
Nick Scurfield ‏@NickScurfield
WR Trindon Holliday (ankle) didn't practice today- could miss rest of week.
NT Loni Fangupo (knee) has yet to return #Texans

The Medic01
06-04-2012, 01:36 PM
Not reported here, but Cushing's MRI was negative. This early into the offseason, you would still tend to have concern, especially if it is his right knee (previous patellar tendon surgery).

Big deal or not.

CloakNNNdagger
06-04-2012, 05:56 PM
Big deal or not.

Hard to tell with so little info. But one thing that would come to mind, if it is his post surgical knee, is patella (knee cap) chondromalacia (softening of the cartilage on the back side of the patella. Before the surgery for a rupture of the patellar tendon, this area can be traumatized The longer the process of rupture developing and being recognized, the more potential trauma probable, since the patella would not move in a stable fashion over the knee joint, and therefore a grinding away of the cartilage of the back of the patella. Once the tendon is repaired, if it is a little to tight or a little too loose, some additional grinding can occur. Even if the tightness is just right following the surgery, it can theoretically loosen to lead to some instability and continue grinding. Then, of course, any previous grinding that has led to wear away of the cartilage can result in a late and chronic arthritis and its accompanying "soreness." Furthermore, the surgical incision itself can be sore for several years, especially if solidly or repeatedly hit.

Besides not being told which knee, we aren't told if there is swelling, redness or ROM (range of motion) problems. Another injury, in either knee, could have occurred somewhere along the line. We are told that this soreness has been noted throughout the offseason workouts. This could also be a result of the injury at the end of the season, where he was temporarily pulled with a "knee injury." Just too many potential variables and not enough details. Sorry. I can't respond in a more affirmative fashion.

ObsiWan
06-04-2012, 06:16 PM
Hard to tell with so little info. But one thing that would come to mind, if it is his post surgical knee, is patella (knee cap) chondromalacia (softening of the cartilage on the back side of the patella. Before the surgery for a rupture of the patellar tendon, this area can be traumatized The longer the process of rupture developing and being recognized, the more potential trauma probable, since the patella would not move in a stable fashion over the knee joint, and therefore a grinding away of the cartilage of the back of the patella. Once the tendon is repaired, if it is a little to tight or a little too loose, some additional grinding can occur. Even if the tightness is just right following the surgery, it can theoretically loosen to lead to some instability and continue grinding. Then, of course, any previous grinding that has led to wear away of the cartilage can result in a late and chronic arthritis and its accompanying "soreness." Furthermore, the surgical incision itself can be sore for several years, especially if solidly or repeatedly hit.

Besides not being told which knee, we aren't told if there is swelling, redness or ROM (range of motion) problems. Another injury, in either knee, could have occurred somewhere along the line. We are told that this soreness has been noted throughout the offseason workouts. This could also be a result of the injury at the end of the season, where he was temporarily pulled with a "knee injury." Just too many potential variables and not enough details. Sorry. I can't respond in a more affirmative fashion.

I remember that game now that you mention it. We all almost fainted when he hobbled over to the sideline. But I think Cush came back in before that series was over.

TimeKiller
06-04-2012, 06:35 PM
It's the offseason...what did you expect?

Ha, you're right. I don't know, I'm still baffled at the negativity towards a 6th round flyer who may or probably may not be the 53rd best player on the team because Kubiak mentioned him a couple times.

:violin

Follow someone else clown.

Texans_Chick
06-04-2012, 08:47 PM
Not reported here, but Cushing's MRI was negative. This early into the offseason, you would still tend to have concern, especially if it is his right knee (previous patellar tendon surgery).

Didn't see him favoring it or it wrapped in ice like they do near the end of practice with a number of guys. Can't say what knee it is. I could try to find out though GK dodges some of those questions.

Texans_Chick
06-04-2012, 08:48 PM
Nick Scurfield ‏@NickScurfield
WR Trindon Holliday (ankle) didn't practice today- could miss rest of week.
NT Loni Fangupo (knee) has yet to return #Texans

I talked to Fangupo. He said he hoped to return by "next Tuesday." Terribly polite, nice guy.

Texans_Chick
06-04-2012, 08:50 PM
Today the team worked on red zone a lot. TJ and Beck looked pretty good. Case is still figuring out where the ball is supposed to go.

Nice catches by a lot of guys.

Kaiser Toro
06-04-2012, 08:50 PM
I could try to find out though GK dodges some of those questions.

What would Patches O'Houlihan do?

Texans_Chick
06-04-2012, 08:52 PM
What would Patches O'Houlihan do?

He would duck. I would dodge and get hit by a wrench.

CloakNNNdagger
06-04-2012, 08:57 PM
Didn't see him favoring it or it wrapped in ice like they do near the end of practice with a number of guys. Can't say what knee it is. I could try to find out though GK dodges some of those questions.


Swelling isn't necessarily present with chondromalacia of the patella, articular cartilage wear or meniscus tear or degenerative arthritis.........severe pain or "soreness," though can be, and is "invisible." Would be appreciated if your could find out anything else.

GP
06-04-2012, 11:32 PM
Follow someone else clown.

LOL, come on man. You can't hold a grudge forever.

Not when I pull out all the stops and do THIS:

http://100toons.com/uploads/news/.thumbs/540x350_top-left_PussInBoots1.gif

steelbtexan
06-05-2012, 09:47 AM
Yeah

T-Killer can hold a grudge with the best of them.

Ask some of the guys in the TT mock draft.

Blake
06-05-2012, 12:34 PM
Yeah

T-Killer can hold a grudge with the best of them.

Ask some of the guys in the TT mock draft.

:laughjump:

Texans_Chick
06-05-2012, 03:34 PM
Here's my OTA writeup for today (http://blog.chron.com/texanschick/2012/06/next-man-up-tuesday-ota-report/) with also some stuff from the TD Club luncheon with Kubiak as speaker.

Today's Quote Sheet (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Quotes-Tuesday-practice/10c5cfb3-dad9-4d71-ba39-3ad113390cec).

drs23
06-05-2012, 04:38 PM
Here's my OTA writeup for today (http://blog.chron.com/texanschick/2012/06/next-man-up-tuesday-ota-report/) with also some stuff from the TD Club luncheon with Kubiak as speaker.

Today's Quote Sheet (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Quotes-Tuesday-practice/10c5cfb3-dad9-4d71-ba39-3ad113390cec).

Thanks TC, good read, though I dislike going on that chron site, I will if I have to to read what you've got to say. It's always well written and informative.

Thanks again.

Texans_Chick
06-05-2012, 05:06 PM
FWIW, I've been told they are working on the site some for a redo.

Ultimately, I think having a daily newspaper, even if not always perfect, is a net benefit for city.

I'm a subscriber.

drs23
06-05-2012, 06:24 PM
FWIW, I've been told they are working on the site some for a redo.

Ultimately, I think having a daily newspaper, even if not always perfect, is a net benefit for city.

I'm a subscriber.

Are they gonna do away with that damn footer that I can't make go away? Prolly just me being silly but I do abhor it.

Texans_Chick
06-06-2012, 08:20 AM
Are they gonna do away with that damn footer that I can't make go away? Prolly just me being silly but I do abhor it.

If the Meebo bar bothers you, go to the far right hand side of the bar and click the hide button.

Not a fan of the Meebo stuff but you have to monetize giving away your product for free. Rather have advertising than paywalls.

IDEXAN
06-06-2012, 09:08 AM
The WR drafted out of Michigan State may be an "pleasant surprise", but I wonder if we could hang the "unpleasant surprise" handle on the other WR taken in the Draft out of Ohio State ? That's what I'm sensing here ?

Texans_Chick
06-06-2012, 09:24 AM
The WR drafted out of Michigan State may be an "pleasant surprise", but I wonder if we could hang the "unpleasant surprise" handle on the other WR taken in the Draft out of Ohio State ? That's what I'm sensing here ?

No no no.

Houston Texans just put up the video. (http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-media/videos/Kubiak-speaks-at-Touchdown-Club-Luncheon/52f35594-74f5-4ace-bf33-ad9efc875fc8)

Worth watching it.

Perki-Perk
06-06-2012, 09:26 AM
The WR drafted out of Michigan State may be an "pleasant surprise", but I wonder if we could hang the "unpleasant surprise" handle on the other WR taken in the Draft out of Ohio State ? That's what I'm sensing here ?

Maybe he's not a "pleasant surprise" because he's living up to what they expected? I think if he was disappointing at this point, Kubiak would say something to the effect that, "He's a good kid, but he needs some work and we'll get him there by the start of the season."??

Playoffs
06-06-2012, 09:26 AM
Interesting...

The Seattle Seahawks apparently went a little too far in their offseason workouts. Now, they’re going to lose two of them.

In a joint statement by the NFL and the NFLPA it was announced the Seahawks will forfeit two of their 10 OTA practice days for violating offseason workout rules. Specifically, the Seahawks had contact during some of their work, a clear no-no in the work rules.

“The NFL Management Council and NFL Players Association have determined that the Seattle Seahawks violated the Collective Bargaining Agreement’s offseason workout rules on the prohibition of live contact during one of the club’s organized team activity days (“OTA days”).

As a result, the Seahawks will forfeit two of their scheduled OTA practices (June 6 and 7) as well as an additional offseason workout day on Friday, June 8. Seahawks’ players are not permitted to be at the facility on those days, but will be paid for the sessions. The club cannot reschedule the cancelled days.

Dutchrudder
06-06-2012, 09:32 AM
Interesting...

The Texans got in trouble for that a few years ago when a guy got injured. Can't remember his name, but he took up a roster spot for a year or two while being inactive. In this era of football I think its best to follow the rules.

Perki-Perk
06-06-2012, 09:50 AM
No no no.

Houston Texans just put up the video. (http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-media/videos/Kubiak-speaks-at-Touchdown-Club-Luncheon/52f35594-74f5-4ace-bf33-ad9efc875fc8)

Worth watching it.

Worth all 16 minutes! Thanks! Gary knows how to calmly get you pumped up...haha, that's a special talent.

aussie_texan
06-06-2012, 10:48 AM
Worth all 16 minutes! Thanks! Gary knows how to calmly get you pumped up...haha, that's a special talent.

You can fully understand why the players would run through hell for him. His a great speaker and seems very genuine. I still think he gives them a yell behind close doors but doesn't allow it to spill out to the public.
I'm definitely a kubiack guy, I was one of the few who didn't want him gone a year ago

GP
06-06-2012, 10:50 AM
The Texans got in trouble for that a few years ago when a guy got injured. Can't remember his name, but he took up a roster spot for a year or two while being inactive. In this era of football I think its best to follow the rules.

Correct. And Kris Brown was our team's NFLPA rep...and he denied it/covered it up. i.e. "Nothing to see here." Kris sold him down the river, which was an obvious decision...siding with Kubiak and the "team" over a lone dissenter.

It caused a stink. The guy said we were violating OTA rules, showed video IIRC, and the guy eventually faded away.

ObsiWan
06-06-2012, 01:16 PM
Correct. And Kris Brown was our team's NFLPA rep...and he denied it/covered it up. i.e. "Nothing to see here." Kris sold him down the river, which was an obvious decision...siding with Kubiak and the "team" over a lone dissenter.

It caused a stink. The guy said we were violating OTA rules, showed video IIRC, and the guy eventually faded away.

Not surprised at that. No one likes a locker room rat.
:bat:

TimeKiller
06-06-2012, 01:34 PM
LOL, come on man. You can't hold a grudge forever.

Not when I pull out all the stops and do THIS:

http://100toons.com/uploads/news/.thumbs/540x350_top-left_PussInBoots1.gif

pff haha....

If anyone is holding a grudge...it would be Trindon Holliday's detractors in 2012.

Yeah

T-Killer can hold a grudge with the best of them.

Ask some of the guys in the TT mock draft.

Ha, whatever, Mike Martin can suck a big bag full of donkey parts (and as a Titan, probably will) just because everyone else fell in love with him doesn't mean I have to!!!

You know, I happened to peg a few players that the Texans actually selected.

Texans_Chick
06-06-2012, 01:41 PM
Here's my Wednesday report (http://blog.chron.com/texanschick/2012/06/on-houston-texans-qb-matt-schaub-and-2012/).

Nothing bad happened as far as anyone knows. I hate news breaking days because those are usually bad.

Playoffs
06-06-2012, 01:52 PM
No no no.

Houston Texans just put up the video. (http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-media/videos/Kubiak-speaks-at-Touchdown-Club-Luncheon/52f35594-74f5-4ace-bf33-ad9efc875fc8)

Worth watching it.'Twas. MSR.

Carr Bombed
06-06-2012, 04:16 PM
The Texans got in trouble for that a few years ago when a guy got injured. Can't remember his name, but he took up a roster spot for a year or two while being inactive. In this era of football I think its best to follow the rules.

Jordan Black (aka I65) He was 300+ lbs of crappy football player. He then move on to Jacksonville where he continued to suck, I think he's out of the league now.

GP
06-06-2012, 04:57 PM
pff haha....

If anyone is holding a grudge...it would be Trindon Holliday's detractors in 2012.

Does not know if try to bait me or try to be nice with funny. :thinking:

Texans_Chick
06-06-2012, 05:12 PM
Trying to get actual football stories at OTAs is hard. Because there's a scrum of media trying to do it and nobody really wants to answer the questions you have. Or people are more interested in gotcha stuff, and I have no interest in that.

Oh, and I can take video, but if I do, NFL rules only allow me to keep it at the Chron site for 24 hours which isn't worth editing it and usually nobody wants to say much of anything and they are hot and sweaty and just want to get in the AC.

So on the way to the scrum, I've been asking players for pictures for fans, to use for avatars and the like because well, someone asked me if they were okay with using my Fangupo picture for an avatar, and I've sorta figured what the hell. This is today's which would make for lovely photoshopping.

http://blog.chron.com/texanschick/files/2012/06/Antonio-Smith-Ninja-e1339007277861.jpg

76Texan
06-06-2012, 05:26 PM
DE Antonio Smith
(on what he’s seen from the younger players during OTAs) “They are on fire. (Gary Kubiak) took the helmets off of them today and they’re still knocking each other out. I think we’re going to have a fiery bunch of rookies. These boys are ready to play. I ain’t seen nothing like it since I’ve been in the League. They’re pumping each other up. They’re yelling, they’re cheering. They’re on point.”

Lucky
06-06-2012, 06:06 PM
The Texans got in trouble for that a few years ago when a guy got injured. Can't remember his name, but he took up a roster spot for a year or two while being inactive. In this era of football I think its best to follow the rules.

Jordan Black (aka I65) He was 300+ lbs of crappy football player. He then move on to Jacksonville where he continued to suck, I think he's out of the league now.
I believe it was Dan Stevenson and Jordan Black. Stevenson took video.

ObsiWan
06-06-2012, 06:13 PM
So on the way to the scrum, I've been asking players for pictures for fans, to use for avatars and the like because well, someone asked me if they were okay with using my Fangupo picture for an avatar, and I've sorta figured what the hell. This is today's which would make for lovely photoshopping.

http://blog.chron.com/texanschick/files/2012/06/Antonio-Smith-Ninja-e1339007277861.jpg

I thought Ninjas were invisible....

SheTexan
06-06-2012, 06:21 PM
They’re on point.”

Antonio would be a HOOT on Dancing With the Stars! :doot:

Steph!! THANKS for the pic of AS!! I go in early, to the games, just to watch him workout in front of the Bullpen! Ever seen an old lady drool??? Join me down there sometimes when he's there!! Do believe he could take the "poetry in motion" title away from AF!:drool:

aussie_texan
06-07-2012, 06:17 AM
You can fully understand why the players would run through hell for him. His a great speaker and seems very genuine. I still think he gives them a yell behind close doors but doesn't allow it to spill out to the public.
I'm definitely a kubiack guy, I was one of the few who didn't want him gone a year ago

wow thought i would have copped it for that comment.
probably would have been shot a year ago.
how times have changed

TejasTom
06-07-2012, 07:54 AM
'Twas. MSR.

Tried getting her for you, but more the same.

Playoffs
06-07-2012, 12:24 PM
Nick Scurfield ‏@NickScurfield
Kubiak said QB Case Keenum was at his best today at end of practice in hurry-up offense. "He was automatic." #Texans

Kubiak will rest veterans next week in mini-camp. John Beck, Case Keenum will get all the QB reps #Texans

#Texans made it out of OTAs w/ no major injuries. Kubiak said he gave head athletic trainer Geoff Kaplan a high-five

#Texans had their 10th & final practice of OTAs today. Coach Gary Kubiak said they were "much better" than yesterday

GP
06-07-2012, 12:29 PM
From what I read on AFC South blog at espn.com...Kuharsky has been at Texans OTAs today, maybe the past two days as well, so we can expect a write-up from him on the things he observed at Texans OTAs.

GP
06-07-2012, 12:33 PM
Nick Scurfield ‏@NickScurfield
Kubiak said QB Case Keenum was at his best today at end of practice in hurry-up offense. "He was automatic." #Texans

Kubiak will rest veterans next week in mini-camp. John Beck, Case Keenum will get all the QB reps #Texans

#Texans made it out of OTAs w/ no major injuries. Kubiak said he gave head athletic trainer Geoff Kaplan a high-five

#Texans had their 10th & final practice of OTAs today. Coach Gary Kubiak said they were "much better" than yesterday

Case getting to handle the snaps A LOT next week...will be interested to see how he handles the workload--Will he be extraordinarily great, or consistently good, or erratic throughout the week?

This is a time when you show if you are an up-and-coming talent or just-another-guy. I expect Case to win QB3 over Beck, just as I expect Bullock to win the K job.

HOU-TEX
06-07-2012, 01:19 PM
So I reckon TJ's considered a veteran already? Dunno bout that

amazing80
06-07-2012, 01:39 PM
So I reckon TJ's considered a veteran already? Dunno bout that

Agreed, TJ needs all the damn reps he can get.......don't make this mistake gary!!!!!

Allstar
06-07-2012, 02:04 PM
So I reckon TJ's considered a veteran already? Dunno bout that

I would have to assume he intends to only include rookies next week. Technically veteran = non-rookie.

HOU-TEX
06-07-2012, 02:31 PM
I would have to assume he intends to only include rookies next week. Technically veteran = non-rookie.

Personally, I think it has more to do with the number of QB's we have that are young or new to the program. To me, TJ needs to be better than he was last season. He needs all the reps he can get as our #2 and having a QB #1 that could go down easier than a lot of other QBs in te league.

That said, I reckon he'll be getting a crap load of reps in camp now that he is #2.

Texn4life
06-07-2012, 02:34 PM
How many mini camps are we having again this year? Is that going to be the only one?

painekiller
06-07-2012, 02:42 PM
This is the way Gary has done it the last couple of years, last year excluded due to the lock out. He rest the vets and gives the rookies the reps. It show the coaches which rookies are up to speed.

Now when camp starts, the team starts over and installs the playbook from square one. The OTA and minicamps are being used to get all the vets, rookies, and newly signed free agents on the same page.

GP
06-07-2012, 04:11 PM
That said, I reckon he'll be getting a crap load of reps in camp now that he is #2.

I see what you did there...

Texans_Chick
06-07-2012, 06:02 PM
So I reckon TJ's considered a veteran already? Dunno bout that

TJ looks better than Beck.

Beck looks better than Case.

I can see why he might want to get Beck, Case up to speed.

Texans_Chick
06-07-2012, 06:05 PM
Cushing was a surprise today. He looked like Cushing. Had his left knee covered.

Catch of the day was a beauty one to Posey. Bomb. Look like it was slightly too far at first, and Posey went to another gear to get it.

They did a lot more situational stuff today. 2 minute, red zone, goal line, moving down field and kicking from long distance. (giving both kickers a chance).

drs23
06-07-2012, 06:51 PM
Cushing was a surprise today. He looked like Cushing. Had his left knee covered.

Catch of the day was a beauty one to Posey. Bomb. Look like it was slightly too far at first, and Posey went to another gear to get it.

They did a lot more situational stuff today. 2 minute, red zone, goal line, moving down field and kicking from long distance. (giving both kickers a chance).

TC, who threw it?

Wolf
06-07-2012, 08:12 PM
http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-media/videos/Texans-Daily-Minicamp-plans-leaders-speak/fcec2f4a-18b7-43bd-af2d-9cb90293626a

Wolf
06-07-2012, 08:17 PM
Mondek going on left side instead of right
http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-media/videos/Texans-Daily-Minicamp-plans-leaders-speak/fcec2f4a-18b7-43bd-af2d-9cb90293626a#?id=e3bdb402-2477-42b4-a1c3-9c4fa58509e5&channelName=Recent

Texan_Bill
06-07-2012, 08:36 PM
Trying to get actual football stories at OTAs is hard. Because there's a scrum of media trying to do it and nobody really wants to answer the questions you have. Or people are more interested in gotcha stuff, and I have no interest in that.

Oh, and I can take video, but if I do, NFL rules only allow me to keep it at the Chron site for 24 hours which isn't worth editing it and usually nobody wants to say much of anything and they are hot and sweaty and just want to get in the AC.

So on the way to the scrum, I've been asking players for pictures for fans, to use for avatars and the like because well, someone asked me if they were okay with using my Fangupo picture for an avatar, and I've sorta figured what the hell. This is today's which would make for lovely photoshopping.

http://blog.chron.com/texanschick/files/2012/06/Antonio-Smith-Ninja-e1339007277861.jpg


Steph, no offense to you or Antonio but seriously, if he approaced me in that regard, I would drop to a knee and promptly launch a fist into his junk....


I win!!! :texanbill:

steelbtexan
06-07-2012, 08:44 PM
pff haha....

If anyone is holding a grudge...it would be Trindon Holliday's detractors in 2012.



Ha, whatever, Mike Martin can suck a big bag full of donkey parts (and as a Titan, probably will) just because everyone else fell in love with him doesn't mean I have to!!!

You know, I happened to peg a few players that the Texans actually selected.

Martin=Tack=Suck

2010 I picked Cushing and Barwin
2011 Unfortunately I got KJ rght
2012 This yr was Brandon Brooks

Thanks for the rep Senor Stan (I dont know how to do the squiggly line thingy.) LOL

So I get a few right too.

76Texan
06-07-2012, 08:56 PM
Martin=Tack=Suck

2010 I picked Cushing and Barwin
2011 Unfortunately I got KJ rght
2012 This yr was Brandon Brooks

Thanks for the rep Senor Stan (I dont know how to do the squiggly line thingy.) LOL

So I get a few right too.

You lost me, steelb!

76Texan
06-07-2012, 09:00 PM
Antonio would be a HOOT on Dancing With the Stars! :doot:

Steph!! THANKS for the pic of AS!! I go in early, to the games, just to watch him workout in front of the Bullpen! Ever seen an old lady drool??? Join me down there sometimes when he's there!! Do believe he could take the "poetry in motion" title away from AF!:drool:

I must admit, Antonio has earned a lot of technical points as well as style points.

steelbtexan
06-07-2012, 09:06 PM
TJ looks better than Beck.

Beck looks better than Case.

I can see why he might want to get Beck, Case up to speed.

Beck always looks good in OTA's and Training camp.

He struggles when live bullets start flying. Atleast that's what his Rep/Record tells me. Glad to hear TJ is doing well.

steelbtexan
06-07-2012, 09:13 PM
You lost me, steelb!

T-Killer was just talking about Martin sucking and I pointed out he's a Tack so he immediately goes on the crap list now.

Then he was telling me his Texans track record and how he gets a few right. I was pointing out he wasn't the only one. In fact alot of we draftniks get a few right.

Can you take a look at Brandon Brooks and give us a breakdown of him?

JimBaker488
06-07-2012, 09:22 PM
http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-media/videos/Texans-Daily-Minicamp-plans-leaders-speak/fcec2f4a-18b7-43bd-af2d-9cb90293626a
Cushing looks downright thin.
His weight seems to be different every year. Rookie year he was in the 260s and
last year he was in the 240s and this year he looks even lighter than last year ?

CloakNNNdagger
06-07-2012, 09:47 PM
Kubiak:

(on what injuries he is worried about) “I worry about them all until they get back out here. I feel good. I feel good about Matt (Schaub) and where he’s at. I think he could be practicing right now. Andre (Johnson) is probably a little further behind Matt right now. Loni (Hebron Fangupo) will be back. Probably the biggest question mark right now is (Darryl) Sharpton. Looking at where we’re at, Sharpton could not come out and practice right now. He needs to be in there battling with Bradie (James) for a starting job. Probably that’s my biggest concern right now, seeing that he’s 100 percent and can go out there and compete for a job.”

Rey
06-07-2012, 09:53 PM
Cushing looks downright thin.
His weight seems to be different every year. Rookie year he was in the 260s and
last year he was in the 240s and this year he looks even lighter than last year ?

I said the same thing a few weeks ago about a picture I saw of him. He looks noticeable thinner to me...

CloakNNNdagger
06-07-2012, 09:55 PM
Kubiak:



(on if the young receivers are his biggest concern as a team right now) “Yeah, I think so. I like the ability, as I’ve told y’all all along. Bottom line, none of them have been in games and so that’s going to be a concern until we get going. The picture looks different when Andre (Johnson) is out here and Kevin (Walter) is out here and you have those veterans leading the way. Throughout the course of these OTAs, it’s strictly young guys. That’s a concern. It’s something we’ll continue to address with our team as we move forward.”



(on his overall thoughts of OTAs) “I thought they were good. I think we work like a mature group. I think this team is trying to find its way. It’s missing a few familiar soldiers out here and guys they’ve counted on everyday to lead the way, so we have some new guys having to step up from that standpoint. We’re going to have some new faces that are going to step in for this team. I think the progress has been good.”



(on a couple players who really took a few steps forward during OTAs) “I tell you what, there were a lot of them, so it would be hard for me to just name one or two, but I think we have a lot second and third year players that are starting to become real pros. That’s important.”



(on FS Danieal Manning) “He’s a leader. He loves to play. He’s 100 miles an hour all the time when you see him out here. He’s kind of becoming a leader of the back end in his own way, him and J. Joe (Johnathan Joseph). Just another year of being comfortable here in Houston and I think those things start to take over a little more.”



(on if WR Lestar Jean has established himself as a No. 3 receiver at this point) “No, I wouldn’t go there. If we were playing today, yeah, he’d be established and ready to go.”



(on if he might keep six wide receivers) “I don’t know. It depends on what we are come September.”



(on if he saw what he wanted from the returners) “That’s one thing you can’t really tell until you start playing, but I thought Keshawn (Martin) looked like a natural with what he was doing. Trindon (Holliday) is the best he’s been as a player going into this camp as a pro. It’ll be competitive and then the young man that we picked up (Justin Forsett) looks like he’s going to be able to help us there too. We’ll see how it comes out.”



(on K Randy Bullock’s ability to kickoff) “He’s got a strong leg and he’s pretty consistent. I’ve been impressed with him. Until we get going where we’re kicking every day from a competitive standpoint, I think we’ll have to wait and see, but I think it will be a good battle. Like I said, we’re going to end up with a new kicker, doesn’t necessarily mean it’s going to be a young one but it’s going to be a new one. We’ll see how it works out.”



(on Derrell Smith as a fullback) “I feel good about him. He’s behind mentally. He’s a defensive player trying to play offense, so that’s tough, but nobody is working harder. I think the future is very bright, but it just needs to happen quick. He’s behind, but that’s not his fault. That’s us changing his position.”



(on if FB Derrell Smith has good hands) “Real good. They’re very good.”



(on his biggest worry right now) “I don’t know. I’m concerned about the youth of the receiving group which we keep talking about. We’ve normally had a physical tight end around here to go with O.D. (Owen Daniels). We don’t’ have that presence right now. That’s something Rick (Smith) and I are looking at. You just asked me a question about our fullback. I know what James (Casey) can do but I’m counting heavily on a young man (Derrell Smith) who hasn’t played there. Those are some of the things right now and just the new faces that are going to be the new leaders along with the leaders we have to go with this team. Like I said, it’s a totally different team, it’s going to start taking on an identity as we get going here.”

TEXANRED
06-07-2012, 10:26 PM
Kubiak:

This gets me rev'd up. I still think this is going to be a frustrating season for us. i am going with a 9-7 record but we beat the Hacks for the the division crown. I do believe all the heart ache and frustration this season will bring will only benefit us come playoff time cus our team will be used to playing tough teams.

The Texans will be in Superbowl this year.

CloakNNNdagger
06-07-2012, 10:28 PM
Cushing was a surprise today. He looked like Cushing. Had his left knee covered.

Catch of the day was a beauty one to Posey. Bomb. Look like it was slightly too far at first, and Posey went to another gear to get it.

They did a lot more situational stuff today. 2 minute, red zone, goal line, moving down field and kicking from long distance. (giving both kickers a chance).

This is opposite his operated knee. He described his injury today as "a bruise at most." Hopefully, he is not developing a patellar problem of this knee, or a the beginnings of a bone bruise.......both entities, especially early on, not always accompanied by MRI changes, and both commonly protected with knee cushioning. Again, hopefully a soft tissue "bruise" only. Time and exposure to real contact trauma will likely reveal if the source of his "soreness" is benign or not.

mussop
06-07-2012, 10:37 PM
DE Antonio Smith
(on what he’s seen from the younger players during OTAs) “They are on fire. (Gary Kubiak) took the helmets off of them today and they’re still knocking each other out. I think we’re going to have a fiery bunch of rookies. These boys are ready to play. I ain’t seen nothing like it since I’ve been in the League. They’re pumping each other up. They’re yelling, they’re cheering. They’re on point.”

Reading that makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.

Playoffs
06-07-2012, 10:48 PM
Still light a blocker TE type, an FB, and WR experience. Sharpton beginning to sound iffy. Rick has work to do, still.

TejasTom
06-07-2012, 10:55 PM
Cushing looks downright thin.
His weight seems to be different every year. Rookie year he was in the 260s and
last year he was in the 240s and this year he looks even lighter than last year ?

Looks like he just lost his baby fat.

CloakNNNdagger
06-07-2012, 10:57 PM
Still light a blocker TE type, an FB, and WR experience. Sharpton beginning to sound iffy. Rick has work to do, still.

As I've posted before, Sharpton should not be expected to be adequately rehabbed before sometime during the beginning of the regular season.

CloakNNNdagger
06-07-2012, 11:05 PM
Looks like he just lost his baby fat.



http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2009/9/4/128965598635269121.jpg

And the further you get away from pregnancy, the more baby fat you can lose.:)

Allstar
06-07-2012, 11:58 PM
(on if the young receivers are his biggest concern as a team right now) “Yeah, I think so. I like the ability, as I’ve told y’all all along. Bottom line, none of them have been in games and so that’s going to be a concern until we get going. The picture looks different when Andre (Johnson) is out here and Kevin (Walter) is out here and you have those veterans leading the way. Throughout the course of these OTAs, it’s strictly young guys. That’s a concern. It’s something we’ll continue to address with our team as we move forward.”


this sounds to me like we are very open to bringing in a vet, which I think is a good idea.

Texn4life
06-08-2012, 12:08 AM
(on if the young receivers are his biggest concern as a team right now) “Yeah, I think so. I like the ability, as I’ve told y’all all along. Bottom line, none of them have been in games and so that’s going to be a concern until we get going. The picture looks different when Andre (Johnson) is out here and Kevin (Walter) is out here and you have those veterans leading the way. Throughout the course of these OTAs, it’s strictly young guys. That’s a concern. It’s something we’ll continue to address with our team as we move forward.”


this sounds to me like we are very open to bringing in a vet, which I think is a good idea.

I would think we have to. Walter has been banged up some his past 3 years here too some so having another guy with some actual game experience I think would be critical.

CloakNNNdagger
06-08-2012, 08:26 AM
I would think we have to. Walter has been banged up some his past 3 years here too some so having another guy with some actual game experience I think would be critical.

How many years have we been talking about this same thing? And have any really contributed and been remembered shortly after their signings? They have all been pulled from the abyss.......just to sink back into the abyss. If we are to knock out a space on the final roster from any of our promising young receivers, the vet better offer a solid advantage over such a move.........and not be a presence based on performance he demonstrated 5 years ago.:tiphat:

Brisco_County
06-08-2012, 08:36 AM
(on his biggest worry right now) “I don’t know. I’m concerned about the youth of the receiving group which we keep talking about. We’ve normally had a physical tight end around here to go with O.D. (Owen Daniels). We don’t’ have that presence right now. That’s something Rick (Smith) and I are looking at. You just asked me a question about our fullback. I know what James (Casey) can do but I’m counting heavily on a young man (Derrell Smith) who hasn’t played there. Those are some of the things right now and just the new faces that are going to be the new leaders along with the leaders we have to go with this team. Like I said, it’s a totally different team, it’s going to start taking on an identity as we get going here.”

This is going to be the most noticeable factor this season. A young team defining its identity after changing around some players and adding new ones. And doing it through five primetime games and a rough schedule.

76Texan
06-08-2012, 09:46 AM
Can you take a look at Brandon Brooks and give us a breakdown of him?

I did; I guess you missed it.

Here's the summary:

"Overall, I think Brooks will definitely challenge for a starting spot.
I don't know when or whether it will happen, but Caldwell and Smith need to play well to earn their keep.
It will bode well for the offense either way.
I feel much better about the O-line now than I did when we learned that both Winston and Briesel were gone."

And the details:
http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91698&page=5

TimeKiller
06-08-2012, 10:04 AM
Martin=Tack=Suck

2010 I picked Cushing and Barwin
2011 Unfortunately I got KJ rght
2012 This yr was Brandon Brooks

Thanks for the rep Senor Stan (I dont know how to do the squiggly line thingy.) LOL

So I get a few right too.

Wasn't knockin, just trying to justify my own manlovefest with K-Martin/manhatefest with Mike Martin lol...I think we all got a few right this year, who didn't see Bullock coming a mile away?

I was up on Crick and had actually spent some time reading about Jones and Posey but I didn't think either were a Texans selection. I asked for Loiseau in one mock too. Since the 1st pick this year was so wide open for the Texans I really spent most of my time researching later round picks. To be completely honest, I would've never guessed on Mercilus but where the draft was...I'm happy.

Thanks for picking KJ for us jerk!!!!

Does not know if try to bait me or try to be nice with funny. :thinking:

haha...both? Let's just not spin out on Holliday again.:texflag:

Perki-Perk
06-08-2012, 10:11 AM
Martin=Tack=Suck

2010 I picked Cushing and Barwin
2011 Unfortunately I got KJ rght
2012 This yr was Brandon Brooks

Thanks for the rep Senor Stan (I dont know how to do the squiggly line thingy.) LOL

So I get a few right too.

Now, Steel, we've talked about your KJ, bashing...come on now. I can't wait til 1 of 2 things happens. Either KJ becomes the corner we need this year, and you will owe me some rep, or KJ will be awful, and I will owe you rep.

Deal?

76Texan
06-08-2012, 12:11 PM
- A scary moment was reported when tightend Owen Daniels and cornerback Brice McCain collided with each other during pass drills. Both finished practice without any issues.

Kubiak (on if he held his breath on the collision) “Yeah, I sure did. We busted a route, made a mistake on a route and unfortunately, that’s football. Golly, just trying to teach but we’re lucky right there.”

Texn4life
06-08-2012, 12:26 PM
How many years have we been talking about this same thing? And have any really contributed and been remembered shortly after their signings? They have all been pulled from the abyss.......just to sink back into the abyss. If we are to knock out a space on the final roster from any of our promising young receivers, the vet better offer a solid advantage over such a move.........and not be a presence based on performance he demonstrated 5 years ago.:tiphat:

I get what you're saying, but thats because we've only picked up journeyman type of players or guys at the back end of their careers at the position. I like the "potential" of our young guys but this board would go nuts if we ever have to start Posey and Jean. Its a good possibility that AJ and Walter will miss at least 1 game this year. I just pray it won't be at the same time.

CloakNNNdagger
06-08-2012, 12:28 PM
The Texans will have a kicker competition through training camp between rookie Randy Bullock, who was perfect in his first competition in front of the team and has consistently boomed kickoffs 6-7 yards deep in practice, and veteran Shayne Graham, who signed with the Texans in May.

The Texans are also looking for a kick returner to replace Jacoby Jones. Safety Danieal Manning suggested Thursday that he won’t return kicks in 2012. Wide receivers Keshawn Martin, a rookie fourth-round draft pick from Michigan State, and DHolliday, a third-year pro out of LSU, appear to be the frontrunners for the job.link (http://blog.houstontexans.com/category/nick-scurfield/)

Carr Bombed
06-08-2012, 02:01 PM
I get what you're saying, but thats because we've only picked up journeyman type of players or guys at the back end of their careers at the position. I like the "potential" of our young guys but this board would go nuts if we ever have to start Posey and Jean. Its a good possibility that AJ and Walter will miss at least 1 game this year. I just pray it won't be at the same time.

I wouldn't go nuts... I would be intrigued at the possibility of seeing the future. I'd much rather have a inexperienced young buck who has a load of potential and his entire career ahead of him over a burned out player like Keenan McCardell or Derrick Mason who have absolutely nothing left in the tank.

We drafted these guys for a reason and their going to have to gain experience sometime... if it happens through a unfortunate injury, so be it.

Texn4life
06-08-2012, 02:23 PM
I wouldn't go nuts... I would be intrigued at the possibility of seeing the future. I'd much rather have a inexperienced young buck who has a load of potential and his entire career ahead of him over a burned out player like Keenan McCardell or Derrick Mason who have absolutely nothing left in the tank.

We drafted these guys for a reason and their going to have to gain experience sometime... if it happens through a unfortunate injury, so be it.

I don't think anyone wants to see any more Masons or Bryant Johnsons. The only way I say we bring someone in is if they can push Kevin Walter to get onto the field. Otherwise I agree that we stand pat. The reason I say that is because I agree the back end of our rotation should be younger guys. Bryant Johnson really didn't serve a huge purpose on the team last year. I'm intrigued to see the young kids play too. But not lined up against Woodon and Williams and the rest of the Green Bay D without AJ and Walter.

pec0sb0b
06-08-2012, 07:12 PM
Danieal Manning to Brian Cushing: "Start leading by example before you open your mouth."
http://www.battleredblog.com/2012/6/8/3072219/danieal-manning-to-brian-cushing-start-leading-by-example-before-you
Actually, that's not what he said, it's paraphrased, and accordingly shouldn't be in quotation marks.

I don't like to post negative comments, but I had a bad day today so here goes. Got home, logged on and read the above comment from Thursday's OTAs. My first reaction was to think that Manning needs to shut the f*ck up and stop talking out of school. Then I listened to the video and now I'm not sure what he meant. Here's the video:
http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-media/videos/Texans-Daily-Minicamp-plans-leaders-speak/fcec2f4a-18b7-43bd-af2d-9cb90293626a

What he said was "like I said about Cush, you know you want to come out here and lead with example before you want to start opening your mouth, and that's what I'm trying to do." Is he agreeing with Cushing or is he criticizing him? What do ya'll think?

TEXANRED
06-08-2012, 07:20 PM
Danieal Manning to Brian Cushing: "Start leading by example before you open your mouth."
http://www.battleredblog.com/2012/6/8/3072219/danieal-manning-to-brian-cushing-start-leading-by-example-before-you
Actually, that's not what he said, it's paraphrased, and accordingly shouldn't be in quotation marks.

I don't like to post negative comments, but I had a bad day today so here goes. Got home, logged on and read the above comment from Thursday's OTAs. My first reaction was to think that Manning needs to shut the f*ck up and stop talking out of school. Then I listened to the video and now I'm not sure what he meant. Here's the video:
http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-media/videos/Texans-Daily-Minicamp-plans-leaders-speak/fcec2f4a-18b7-43bd-af2d-9cb90293626a

What he said was "like I said about Cush, you know you want to come out here and lead with example before you want to start opening your mouth, and that's what I'm trying to do." Is he agreeing with Cushing or is he criticizing him? What do ya'll think?
I would have to say agreeing with Cush. Telling Cush he will lead by example and not running his mouth. Cushing doesn't run his mouth.

The Medic01
06-08-2012, 07:32 PM
Danieal Manning to Brian Cushing: "Start leading by example before you open your mouth."
http://www.battleredblog.com/2012/6/8/3072219/danieal-manning-to-brian-cushing-start-leading-by-example-before-you
Actually, that's not what he said, it's paraphrased, and accordingly shouldn't be in quotation marks.

I don't like to post negative comments, but I had a bad day today so here goes. Got home, logged on and read the above comment from Thursday's OTAs. My first reaction was to think that Manning needs to shut the f*ck up and stop talking out of school. Then I listened to the video and now I'm not sure what he meant. Here's the video:
http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-media/videos/Texans-Daily-Minicamp-plans-leaders-speak/fcec2f4a-18b7-43bd-af2d-9cb90293626a

What he said was "like I said about Cush, you know you want to come out here and lead with example before you want to start opening your mouth, and that's what I'm trying to do." Is he agreeing with Cushing or is he criticizing him? What do ya'll think?
What's going on. We don't need teammates fighting amongst each other.