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05-18-2012, 12:54 PM
Calvin Johnson headlines seven most dominant players today (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8292eebc/article/calvin-johnson-headlines-seven-most-dominant-players-today)
By Daniel Jeremiah NFL.com

So much of our time is spent bloviating on quarterbacks, and justifiably so, but that is not the only position on the field where one player can dominate the game.

I enlisted the help of several NFL coaches, executives and scouts and compiled a list of the seven most dominant players in the NFL. And in this exercise, quarterbacks aren't eligible!

Here you go:

Calvin Johnson, WR, Detroit Lions
You aren't given the nickname "Megatron" for being just an above-average wide receiver. Johnson is the epitome of dominance. Everyone in the stadium knows where the ball is going and there is absolutely nothing a defense can do about it. If you are looking for a witness, give Rob Ryan or anyone in the Dallas secondary a call. As one NFC executive put it, "He's a bigger, tougher Randy Moss."

Rob Gronkowski, TE, New England Patriots
You don't normally equate the word "dominant" with the tight end position. Gronkowski changed that perception last season. His 17 touchdown catches (an NFL TE record) led the entire league. I asked an opposing defensive coach about trying to slow down Gronk. "It's helpless; there is nothing you can do." This coach went on to explain that Gronkowski's a matchup nightmare for anybody you throw at him. He's too fast and athletic for linebackers to cover and his size and strength overwhelms cornerbacks and safeties.

Darrelle Revis, CB, New York Jets
This should come as no surprise to anyone who watches NFL football on a regular basis. He's the best cornerback in the game and the only current player at the position worthy of the "shutdown" label. I asked several opposing coaches and personnel execs if there was any reason he shouldn't be on this list. Crickets ...

DeMarcus Ware, OLB, Dallas Cowboys
Stats don't always tell the story, but in this case they are hard to ignore. In seven seasons, Ware has sacked opposing quarterbacks 99.5 times. He's had four different seasons where he's collected 14 or more sacks and only one year in which he failed to reach double digits (his rookie season, when he had eight). He's also forced 27 fumbles in his career. "He's the one guy we play against that we don't have an answer for," said one NFC executive who is very familiar with Ware's ability to dominate games. "How do you stop him? I wish I knew."


Jared Allen, DE, Minnesota Vikings
Everyone in the NFL uses the same word to describe Allen: "Warrior." A relentless motor is his trademark, and he's proven capable of completely destroying an opposing passing attack. Want dominance? He recorded 22 sacks last season while playing on a team that won three games. Pass rushers love to play with leads. It allows them to pin their ears back and abandon any thought of a possible run. Jared wasn't afforded that luxury, yet he fell only half a sack short of Michael Strahan's single-season record.

Jason Pierre-Paul, DE, New York Giants
Pierre-Paul is the defensive version of Calvin Johnson. His physical size and athletic ability are so off the charts that it is tough to come up with a defensive comparison from the present or the past. His length and ability to corner the edge is similar to Jevon Kearse, but he's much thicker and stronger. In 2011, JPP was a dominant force with 86 tackles and 16.5 sacks. He creates major matchup problems no matter where he aligns. From the outside, his power is a major issue for offensive tackles, while his quickness gives interior offensive lineman fits. One highly respected NFL defensive line coach believes he's the best pass rusher to enter the league in the last 10 years.

Justin Smith, DT, San Francisco 49ers
I think the cat might finally be out of the bag: Justin Smith is one bad dude! It's hard for a 5-technique in a three-man front to dominate a football game, but Smith does just that on a weekly basis. He has rare strength, power and balance to hold the point of attack against the run. Simply put, he's immovable. He also has the quickness and awareness to shed blockers, locate the football and make the tackle. As a pass rusher, he makes it close to impossible for the offensive line to establish a clean pocket. He constantly gets push and offers a wide variety of hand moves to create pressure. The term walk-off usually applies to baseball players, but Justin made it relevant in the NFL last season. He made key plays to clinch wins over the Eagles, Lions and Giants (in their regular season matchup).

Fili
05-19-2012, 03:06 AM
Honestly, I am really scared of Megatron...
http://i780.photobucket.com/albums/yy89/afhhjk82465/CalvinJohnson96ydTouchdown2flv.gif

Ryan
05-19-2012, 10:48 AM
Honestly, I am really scared of Megatron...
http://i780.photobucket.com/albums/yy89/afhhjk82465/CalvinJohnson96ydTouchdown2flv.gif



Faggins :kubepalm:

Richard Smith :wadepalm: :wadepalm:

Playoffs
05-19-2012, 11:41 AM
Had Megatron in fantasy football last year.

I remember at least 3 triple teamed TDs.

thunderkyss
05-19-2012, 11:41 AM
Honestly, I am really scared of Megatron...


I'm not. But that gif shows a lot about how the defense must work together. Look at the time. He snaps the ball & throws it before 3 seconds come off the clock, so he gets rid of the ball between 2 & 3 seconds. The only way you're going to get a sack in that amount of time, is if we have someone completely unaccounted for, from the SAM to the DE.

In a situation like this, coverage has got to hold up for 3 seconds. That has to be a difficult throw for the QB. A streaking wide open Calvin Johnson is not a difficult throw. Though Faggins isn't among the best corners in the league, that was a total mental fubar on his part, imo. He's got two choices, press at the line, or play deep, trying to keep Megatron in front of him as long as possible. He did neither. He did back up a bit before the snap, so maybe he misjudged Cj's speed, or simply did not respect it. With a 4 man rush, he had to have known he's got to cover for a long time....... 3-5 seconds.

He does have safety help, but that safety also has a free running TE running right at him. He has to make a choice & neither would have been good. Diles gets a body on the TE, then passes him off..... who would he be passing him off to, if the FS isn't responsible for the TE? Which means, to me, though Faggins does have help, the FS isn't back there exclusively to help Petey.

Ok, now onto Richard Smith. Watch Mario, I think he's the RDE. When the ball snaps, he stands up(?) like he's waiting to be engaged. Maybe he's thinking run? But because he stands up, the TE crosses in front of him & the LT is able to grab him & push him out of the play. If he is playing run I have no complaints. But if he's playing the pass, with only four rushers, he should be attacking the line, making the LT & TE react to him.

So I blame this on Richard Smith...... but with 2 TEs, 2 backs, 1 reciever on the goal line, what would you expect?

The only thing, I think, I would have done differently (hindsight & all) would be that I wouldn't have Diles put a body on the TE. Jam him, yes, but let him run free to Demeco, Diles should stay at the line & not let either back get outside the tackles, if they do, he covers them. Demeco should have been playing the pass all the way. His responsibility would have been to not let the TE get past him. Petey would have played it just like he did, & the FS would have rotated over him as soon as the ball was snapped.

But back to my original point. For years, we've been trying to fix our pass rush, we've consistently had one of the worse pass rushes in the league, not because of our DL, but because of our secondaries & our LBs. QBs, didn't have to go through progressions, they didn't have to hold the ball. Even rookie QBs looked good against us, because they would see better coverage in college.

A good pass rush is essential to good pass defense, but so is coverage, we've got to be able to cover the field for 3 seconds at least.

HJam72
05-19-2012, 12:57 PM
Our pass coverage sucked for a very long time. It wasn't just the coaching or the overall secondary talent. It was both. Wade, who is actually a better pass RUSH coach but competent at coverage, and J. Joseph were the answers. Safety moves helped some too.

You have to make picks like the KJ pick. It takes a long time for some of these corners to acclimate to the NFL, but you have to do it. I don't know if he's going to ever really get it together, or if he was the right individual, but you can't just ignore the secondary and hope the pass rush makes it a moot point. Even Wade, with his 3-4 somebody's-probably-not-accounted-for rush, knew that he needed some secondary help the minute he started looking at this team.

Rey
05-19-2012, 01:14 PM
I'm not. But that gif shows a lot about how the defense must work together. Look at the time. He snaps the ball & throws it before 3 seconds come off the clock, so he gets rid of the ball between 2 & 3 seconds. The only way you're going to get a sack in that amount of time, is if we have someone completely unaccounted for, from the SAM to the DE.

In a situation like this, coverage has got to hold up for 3 seconds. That has to be a difficult throw for the QB. A streaking wide open Calvin Johnson is not a difficult throw. Though Faggins isn't among the best corners in the league, that was a total mental fubar on his part, imo. He's got two choices, press at the line, or play deep, trying to keep Megatron in front of him as long as possible. He did neither. He did back up a bit before the snap, so maybe he misjudged Cj's speed, or simply did not respect it. With a 4 man rush, he had to have known he's got to cover for a long time....... 3-5 seconds.

He does have safety help, but that safety also has a free running TE running right at him. He has to make a choice & neither would have been good. Diles gets a body on the TE, then passes him off..... who would he be passing him off to, if the FS isn't responsible for the TE? Which means, to me, though Faggins does have help, the FS isn't back there exclusively to help Petey.

Ok, now onto Richard Smith. Watch Mario, I think he's the RDE. When the ball snaps, he stands up(?) like he's waiting to be engaged. Maybe he's thinking run? But because he stands up, the TE crosses in front of him & the LT is able to grab him & push him out of the play. If he is playing run I have no complaints. But if he's playing the pass, with only four rushers, he should be attacking the line, making the LT & TE react to him.

So I blame this on Richard Smith...... but with 2 TEs, 2 backs, 1 reciever on the goal line, what would you expect?

The only thing, I think, I would have done differently (hindsight & all) would be that I wouldn't have Diles put a body on the TE. Jam him, yes, but let him run free to Demeco, Diles should stay at the line & not let either back get outside the tackles, if they do, he covers them. Demeco should have been playing the pass all the way. His responsibility would have been to not let the TE get past him. Petey would have played it just like he did, & the FS would have rotated over him as soon as the ball was snapped.

But back to my original point. For years, we've been trying to fix our pass rush, we've consistently had one of the worse pass rushes in the league, not because of our DL, but because of our secondaries & our LBs. QBs, didn't have to go through progressions, they didn't have to hold the ball. Even rookie QBs looked good against us, because they would see better coverage in college.

A good pass rush is essential to good pass defense, but so is coverage, we've got to be able to cover the field for 3 seconds at least.

I have been saying that since Morlon greenwood. I remember I was one of the lone voices saying how much he sucked but everyone was saying he was decent. He wasn't.

For a wlb in a 43 he was pretty bad. No playmaking skills at all.

Lb's have to be able to cover within 5-10 yards. Good ones can cover beyond that, but a defense cannot function correctly if lb's are allowing short slants and short throws to te's to be routinely completed without much resistance.

Part of our success last year though was improved play in the slot from McCain and bringing in a third safety and bumping Quinn down instead of a nickel lb.

Wade has options, maybe even more than last year so it will be interesting to see what he comes up with in passing situations.

I think in long passing situations well see more pass rushers, and in intermediate situations where a short throw can move the chains well see the third safety look.

jtexas
05-19-2012, 02:19 PM
I'm not. But that gif shows a lot about how the defense must work together. Look at the time. He snaps the ball & throws it before 3 seconds come off the clock, so he gets rid of the ball between 2 & 3 seconds. The only way you're going to get a sack in that amount of time, is if we have someone completely unaccounted for, from the SAM to the DE.

In a situation like this, coverage has got to hold up for 3 seconds. That has to be a difficult throw for the QB. A streaking wide open Calvin Johnson is not a difficult throw. Though Faggins isn't among the best corners in the league, that was a total mental fubar on his part, imo. He's got two choices, press at the line, or play deep, trying to keep Megatron in front of him as long as possible. He did neither. He did back up a bit before the snap, so maybe he misjudged Cj's speed, or simply did not respect it. With a 4 man rush, he had to have known he's got to cover for a long time....... 3-5 seconds.

He does have safety help, but that safety also has a free running TE running right at him. He has to make a choice & neither would have been good. Diles gets a body on the TE, then passes him off..... who would he be passing him off to, if the FS isn't responsible for the TE? Which means, to me, though Faggins does have help, the FS isn't back there exclusively to help Petey.

Ok, now onto Richard Smith. Watch Mario, I think he's the RDE. When the ball snaps, he stands up(?) like he's waiting to be engaged. Maybe he's thinking run? But because he stands up, the TE crosses in front of him & the LT is able to grab him & push him out of the play. If he is playing run I have no complaints. But if he's playing the pass, with only four rushers, he should be attacking the line, making the LT & TE react to him.

So I blame this on Richard Smith...... but with 2 TEs, 2 backs, 1 reciever on the goal line, what would you expect?

The only thing, I think, I would have done differently (hindsight & all) would be that I wouldn't have Diles put a body on the TE. Jam him, yes, but let him run free to Demeco, Diles should stay at the line & not let either back get outside the tackles, if they do, he covers them. Demeco should have been playing the pass all the way. His responsibility would have been to not let the TE get past him. Petey would have played it just like he did, & the FS would have rotated over him as soon as the ball was snapped.

But back to my original point. For years, we've been trying to fix our pass rush, we've consistently had one of the worse pass rushes in the league, not because of our DL, but because of our secondaries & our LBs. QBs, didn't have to go through progressions, they didn't have to hold the ball. Even rookie QBs looked good against us, because they would see better coverage in college.

A good pass rush is essential to good pass defense, but so is coverage, we've got to be able to cover the field for 3 seconds at least.

I understand your point, but they should be scared. On any given play he can get go for 50 yards and you can't expect a defense to be perfect for four quarters. If the pressure is late and he goes deep, there is close to a 50% chance he is catching it.

He caught 44% of the passes attempted (deeper than 20 yards) last season. For a total of 7 TDs and 1 Int. Surprisingly that completion percentage goes over 50% when he is double covered. The scary part is he can only get more dominant as his qb gets better.

beerlover
05-19-2012, 07:30 PM
Watt is the next Justin Smith

RazorOye
05-19-2012, 08:33 PM
I'm not. But that gif shows a lot about how the defense must work together.

He does have safety help

The Saints gave safety help.

This is what it looked like:

http://sinfl.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/cj3.jpg

LMAO

Hervoyel
05-20-2012, 04:42 PM
The Saints gave safety help.

This is what it looked like:

http://sinfl.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/cj3.jpg

LMAO


So that's what that looks like. Well I never.....

Playoffs
05-20-2012, 04:48 PM
The Saints gave safety help.

This is what it looked like:

http://sinfl.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/cj3.jpg

LMAOThen this:

http://sinfl.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/cj1.jpg


Then this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/bawanaal/TD-9.png

Scooter
05-21-2012, 08:04 AM
andre and megatron ...

"if you cant triple team a guy, there's nothing you can do. if you cant cover that guy with 3 people, leave him alone - might as well not cover him, period. might as well try to get lucky and hope he drops it." - channing crowder

TheCD
05-21-2012, 11:42 AM
What, no Mario? But...but he's the highest paid defensive player in the NFL! You don't give that kind of contract to a guy who's not the most dominant on defense, this list is obviously wrong! :kitten:

drs23
05-21-2012, 03:18 PM
What, no Mario? But...but he's the highest paid defensive player in the NFL! You don't give that kind of contract to a guy who's not the most dominant on defense, this list is obviously wrong! :kitten:

We're not to #1 yet! :kitten::kitten::kitten:

TheCD
05-22-2012, 09:40 AM
On topic, however...it's interesting that when you bar QBs from the discussion, 5 out of the 7 are defensive players. It would be interesting to find out who these coaches/gms/scouts/etc. are to find out if this is just a coincidence with their philosophy or this rings true regardless of style.