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TexanCR
05-10-2012, 05:51 PM
Hi, I was just thinking...this year we seem to have a very solid team which allow us to have some flexibility on next years draft.

With the uncertainty of Posey as a n2 WR this year and the lack of quality depth in this position, do you guys think that we could make a big move next year?

In thinking we will draft late again next year (around 25 or up), with our D a really solid point, do you guys think we can go and get Robert Woods from USC?

I think we could trade our 1st and 2nd to move up and get him around 10 to 15 spot if he falls, but looks like top WRs will go before the tens.

We also have a situation of Ben Tate, with a possible contract the following year it will be the ideal time to package him with a pick to move up.

So how about our first rounder, Fourth and Ben Tate for the 6th to 8th selection of the draft and their 5th rounder?

Remember that we could have several compensation picks next year so it will be the ideal time to try and move up.

rmartin65
05-10-2012, 06:56 PM
I see it. I dont want to speculate the position/player we are targeting, or who we would even give up (although Tate's contract status IS something to follow), but I see next year's draft being ripe for a trade up.

Since we are on receivers, check out Tennessee junior Da'Rick Rogers. 6'3" 215 lbs, and will run a 4.4 without a doubt.

Here is a highlight vid- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BHOXRyDLuw

TexanCR
05-10-2012, 07:38 PM
Not bad, he looks to be a top 10 WR next year, could be top 5. Impressive numbers for a sophmore. Big guy, that is very important for our offense.

Also, I was checking this other guy: Joseph Fauria from UCLA, TE 6-8' running a 4.7 to 4.8... Yes I said 6-8'!!!

Looking how people fall in love with Fleener this year, imagine how they will react once they see this monster's profile!

Anyone heard of him?

Doppelganger
05-10-2012, 08:40 PM
Hi, I was just thinking...this year we seem to have a very solid team which allow us to have some flexibility on next years draft.

With the uncertainty of Posey as a n2 WR this year and the lack of quality depth in this position, do you guys think that we could make a big move next year?

In thinking we will draft late again next year (around 25 or up), with our D a really solid point, do you guys think we can go and get Robert Woods from USC?

I think we could trade our 1st and 2nd to move up and get him around 10 to 15 spot if he falls, but looks like top WRs will go before the tens.

We also have a situation of Ben Tate, with a possible contract the following year it will be the ideal time to package him with a pick to move up.

So how about our first rounder, Fourth and Ben Tate for the 6th to 8th selection of the draft and their 5th rounder?

Remember that we could have several compensation picks next year so it will be the ideal time to try and move up.

1. Its way too early to speculate on a player. A year ago Crick was a late first/2nd round talent and after an injury we saw where he ended up.

2. ben tate is a quality back on a cheap contract. Why wouldn't we want to keep him? In an age of a salary cap, having cheap highly talented players is a must.

3. Never, ever bank on compensatory picks. They are based on a formula of # of players signed vs lost. Players traded or cut do not factor in.

Additions: 4: Bradie James, Donnie Jones, Shayne Graham, John Beck

Subtractions: 5: Mario Williams, Jason Allen, Joel Dreesen, Mike Brisiel, Neil Rackers,

The Texans will likely keep James, Jones, and Beck to start the season. Jones will kick until Hatmann returns. James and Beck will be depth. If the Texans don't lose any other FAs, then it would be 5 losses-3 gains, resulting in 2 picks. If none of the picks contribute heavily, it is likely the Texans get 2 picks between the 3rd-5th.

But that is a rough estimate and is based on net loss, playing time, and salary.

TexanCR
05-10-2012, 09:06 PM
Good explanation about the compensatory picks, those we will have to wait but even with a 3rd (for Mario) and maybe a 5th (for Briesel) we still have a few picks to work around a trade.

Regarding Tate, he is great but next year will be his 3rd year of his 4th year of contract so that means he will enter the 2013 season as his last year of contract, we either trade him and get something in return or he will walk for nothing just like Mario did because Ben will want big bucks and we cannot affort to pay big bucks for a backup ( a great one but a backup at the end).

Lucky
05-10-2012, 10:01 PM
Remember that we could have several compensation picks next year so it will be the ideal time to try and move up.
Also remember that compensatory picks cannot be traded.

Its way too early to speculate on a player.
Way too early.

Additions: 4: Bradie James, Donnie Jones, Shayne Graham, John Beck

Subtractions: 5: Mario Williams, Jason Allen, Joel Dreesen, Mike Brisiel, Neil Rackers,
Of the additions, none signed a contract that will likely qualify as a free agent gain. Other than Rackers, the subtractions are likely free agent losses. The Texans are looking at net -4 in free agency. So the Texans are likely looking at picking up a 3rd round pick for Mario, a likely 5th for Allen, a 5th or 6th for Brisiel, and a likely 6th for Dreessen.

Again, none of these picks can be dealt. But, they do give the Texans 11 picks in the 2013 draft, and more flexibility to use the standard picks in trade. For whom, for what at this point is crazy to speculate.

Vinny
05-10-2012, 11:12 PM
I went and asked the Nostradamus quatrain generator and I'm thinking we may want to stay away from any trades next year.

"The gods will make it appear to the humans
From the sky will come a great King of Terror

King and Reb will face an Antichrist so false

Drinking by force the waters poisoned by sulfur"

ChampionTexan
05-10-2012, 11:21 PM
I went and asked the Nostradamus quatrain generator and I'm thinking we may want to stay away from any trades next year.

So you're saying it's no coincidence that in this year's draft, Belichick and the Patriots finally stopped trading down for future draft picks?

Vinny
05-10-2012, 11:24 PM
So you're saying it's no coincidence that in this year's draft, Belichick and the Patriots finally stopped trading down for future draft picks?Not even the Mayans saw that one coming :fingergun:

Wolf6151
05-11-2012, 02:42 AM
Hi, I was just thinking...this year we seem to have a very solid team which allow us to have some flexibility on next years draft.

With the uncertainty of Posey as a n2 WR this year and the lack of quality depth in this position, do you guys think that we could make a big move next year?

In thinking we will draft late again next year (around 25 or up), with our D a really solid point, do you guys think we can go and get Robert Woods from USC?

I think we could trade our 1st and 2nd to move up and get him around 10 to 15 spot if he falls, but looks like top WRs will go before the tens.

We also have a situation of Ben Tate, with a possible contract the following year it will be the ideal time to package him with a pick to move up.

So how about our first rounder, Fourth and Ben Tate for the 6th to 8th selection of the draft and their 5th rounder?

Remember that we could have several compensation picks next year so it will be the ideal time to try and move up.


I was thinking the same thing about a trade up but for a different position, QB. I don't want anyone to misconstrue my intentions here, I like Schaub, he's a good QB this is just a thought and a topic of discussion. Schaub will be a FA at the end of next season and thus he will get very expensive. If we re-sign Schaub it will restrict us in signing our own FA, or other FA on the open market. Schaub has also been hurt and missed significant playing time in 3 of his 5 yrs. with the Texans, and currently has a significant foot injury that he may not be fully healed and ready by the beginning of the season regardless of the sunshine the organization keeps pumping out. Schaub is a good QB but not great, even his biggest supporters have to admit their's room for improvement at the QB position. Also Schaub has never lead this team to the playoffs or beyond in his 5yrs. here, and though that's not entirely his fault due to the teams talent level, injuries, and coaching issues, he's still the QB and alot of it will fall on his shoulders regardless. So the big question for Rick Smith, I'm glad it's his decision and not mine, do we re-sign a 31 yr. old often injured, very expensive, QB that hasn't lead us to the playoffs or do we take our chances with a 1st round rookie with tons of talent and potential but will obviously be a project. Also if we're ever going to trade up for a QB, next year may the the year of the QB in the draft since their are currently approx. 6 or more QB's that could go in the 1st round of the 2013 draft, obviously depending on how they perform next season. Opinions?

badboy
05-11-2012, 09:50 AM
I see it. I dont want to speculate the position/player we are targeting, or who we would even give up (although Tate's contract status IS something to follow), but I see next year's draft being ripe for a trade up.

Since we are on receivers, check out Tennessee junior Da'Rick Rogers. 6'3" 215 lbs, and will run a 4.4 without a doubt.

Here is a highlight vid- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BHOXRyDLuw

Excellent player to watch 65 and on my list also. His charges were dropped after an offseason bar brawl (Sept 2010) that led to teammates being arrested. I do expect him to come out after this season.

badboy
05-11-2012, 10:05 AM
Hi, I was just thinking...this year we seem to have a very solid team which allow us to have some flexibility on next years draft.

With the uncertainty of Posey as a n2 WR this year and the lack of quality depth in this position, do you guys think that we could make a big move next year?

In thinking we will draft late again next year (around 25 or up), with our D a really solid point, do you guys think we can go and get Robert Woods from USC?

I think we could trade our 1st and 2nd to move up and get him around 10 to 15 spot if he falls, but looks like top WRs will go before the tens.

We also have a situation of Ben Tate, with a possible contract the following year it will be the ideal time to package him with a pick to move up.

So how about our first rounder, Fourth and Ben Tate for the 6th to 8th selection of the draft and their 5th rounder?

Remember that we could have several compensation picks next year so it will be the ideal time to try and move up.Good thread. If you trade Tate, you have to replace Tate, either using a draft pick that you hope develops. It's a gamble but I'd be willing to risk a trade. I think this draft will allow Houston to go after top replacement guys such as OLB (Barwin gone)QB (Schaub gone) and a WR. Even though comps cannot be traded they do allow flexibility in trading our own picks. If we get a 3rd, 4th and 5th in comp we can used our own to better our situation. It gets even better if Yates becomes out 2013 starter.

steelbtexan
05-11-2012, 10:57 AM
I was thinking the same thing about a trade up but for a different position, QB. I don't want anyone to misconstrue my intentions here, I like Schaub, he's a good QB this is just a thought and a topic of discussion. Schaub will be a FA at the end of next season and thus he will get very expensive. If we re-sign Schaub it will restrict us in signing our own FA, or other FA on the open market. Schaub has also been hurt and missed significant playing time in 3 of his 5 yrs. with the Texans, and currently has a significant foot injury that he may not be fully healed and ready by the beginning of the season regardless of the sunshine the organization keeps pumping out. Schaub is a good QB but not great, even his biggest supporters have to admit their's room for improvement at the QB position. Also Schaub has never lead this team to the playoffs or beyond in his 5yrs. here, and though that's not entirely his fault due to the teams talent level, injuries, and coaching issues, he's still the QB and alot of it will fall on his shoulders regardless. So the big question for Rick Smith, I'm glad it's his decision and not mine, do we re-sign a 31 yr. old often injured, very expensive, QB that hasn't lead us to the playoffs or do we take our chances with a 1st round rookie with tons of talent and potential but will obviously be a project. Also if we're ever going to trade up for a QB, next year may the the year of the QB in the draft since their are currently approx. 6 or more QB's that could go in the 1st round of the 2013 draft, obviously depending on how they perform next season. Opinions?

Hopefully Posey can become a WR1. Rodgers is a stud, a top 5 guy. IMHO

With that said I would do a RG3 type deal to trade up and get Tyler Bray if he comes out. He has the ability to be a franchise QB. I would do this even if Schaub is able to come back and have a good yr.

Re-sign Schaub to a 2 yr deal with a club option for a 3rd yr and draft Bray. Your QB situation will be solved for the next 10-15 yrs. I would try to trade Yates and Tate to recoup some of the draft capital lost in trading for Bray.

This will require the Texans to step up and make a bold move. Unlike their conservative ways of the past.

badboy
05-11-2012, 01:08 PM
Hopefully Posey can become a WR1. Rodgers is a stud, a top 5 guy. IMHO

With that said I would do a RG3 type deal to trade up and get Tyler Bray if he comes out. He has the ability to be a franchise QB. I would do this even if Schaub is able to come back and have a good yr.

Re-sign Schaub to a 2 yr deal with a club option for a 3rd yr and draft Bray. Your QB situation will be solved for the next 10-15 yrs. I would try to trade Yates and Tate to recoup some of the draft capital lost in trading for Bray.

This will require the Texans to step up and make a bold move. Unlike their conservative ways of the past.NO! signed Matt Schaub.

Now whatcha gonna do?

steelbtexan
05-11-2012, 02:06 PM
NO! signed Matt Schaub.

Now whatcha gonna do?

Make the deal for Bray.

Sign a vet to be a mentor. I like Volek much better than Beck.

Then the young defense and Bray can grow together.

TexanCR
05-11-2012, 04:21 PM
Make the deal for Bray.

Sign a vet to be a mentor. I like Volek much better than Beck.

Then the young defense and Bray can grow together.

I do agree that Yates is not the solution or the future for the Texans and I will not be oppose to us drafting a QB but I will do it on the 2014 draft and give Schaub a 2 year contract. I really like Schaub and I think he could lead us deep into the playoffs with a decent team like the one we have right now. Let's not forget that Schaub put out huge numbers with AJ AND Walter/JJ, imaging what he can do with a great WR2 and a decent slot WR, along with OD and Foster.

I dont think we can get anything more than a 7th for Yates but Tate can give us a nice chip to trade.

When I talked about the compensatory picks I was referring to our own picks (for trading), I know the compensatory picks cannot be traded but still give us flexibility.

One last point, next year we may have up to 11 draft picks, remember that is a 53 players roster and we are not going to sign 11 new players to take 11 spots of veterans, which make us more likely to trade some of those picks to get better positions throughout the draft, however knowing Rick and his draft ways I dont see him moving up and doing a big splash :wadepalm:

badboy
05-11-2012, 07:58 PM
Make the deal for Bray.

Sign a vet to be a mentor. I like Volek much better than Beck.

Then the young defense and Bray can grow together.I'd agree with that if we make it to SB next season because we will take a step back starting a rookie based on an earlier comment that Yates would be traded. Team better be very careful of any move that causes us to go backward even if only for one season.

steelbtexan
05-12-2012, 09:28 AM
I'd agree with that if we make it to SB next season because we will take a step back starting a rookie based on an earlier comment that Yates would be traded. Team better be very careful of any move that causes us to go backward even if only for one season.

I misunderstood your post. I thought you said what would I do if we didn't re-up Schaub.

The way to go is to extend Shaub for 2 yrs (if healthy) draft Bray and let him learn the offense while not being under the pressure of having to produce immediately.

Bray would be an upgrade over Yates when Schaub gets hurt again and would be worth the draft capital spent. He's a franchise QB that this franchise has never had. IMHO (Elite)

beerlover
05-12-2012, 11:51 AM
I'm simply amazed that the Colts went from Manning to Luck only sacrificing one season.

I didn't expect Mercilus to be there #26. I believe Texans seriously talked about moving up to draft him? So really depends who they target, were they select & how high he is needed/graded. If Brooks Reed didn't have such a strong showing his rookie season, with Mario leaving, Texans probably would have traded up but instead waited from a position of strength.

QB position is similar. Once Rick & Gary get their extensions, they can move forward in planning stages to secure this positions future, from a position of strength, which means doubtful they trade up, more likely stay put & get a deal done with Schaub. :twocents:

drs23
05-12-2012, 02:30 PM
I went and asked the Nostradamus quatrain generator and I'm thinking we may want to stay away from any trades next year.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nostradamus
"The gods will make it appear to the humans
From the sky will come a great King of Terror

King and Reb will face an Antichrist so false

Drinking by force the waters poisoned by sulfur"
__
Is that why my Kool-Aid is tasting funny? :D

Wolf6151
05-12-2012, 04:43 PM
QB position is similar. Once Rick & Gary get their extensions, they can move forward in planning stages to secure this positions future, from a position of strength, which means doubtful they trade up, more likely stay put & get a deal done with Schaub. :twocents:

While I agree with you that Rick & Gary probably take the safe route and re-sign Schaub I don't know that it's necessarily the right move. Honestly none of us know what the right move is, except the psychic hotline and Rick needs to have them on speed dial. Points of interest:

* Schaub is good but not great, depending on how you define those terms, but it's obvious to me that he's not one of the elite QB's in the NFL so there's room for improvement at the position.
* Re-signing Schaub is very expensive, thus tying up alot of money in one player.
* Tying up that much money in one player handcuffs the rest of the team since we wouldn't have the money to re-sign our own FA or open market FA to make the team better.
* The Texans showed last year that they're not willing to handcuff the team for 1 or 2 very expensive players and are willing to allow players to walk. IMO, this was the right thing to do, good job Rick.
* Schaub has an extensive injury history and has missed significant playing time in 3 out of 5 seasons with the Texans.
* Schaub is currently injured and theirs no certainty that he'll be back by training camp or regular season start time, regardless of what the teams says.
* Schaub has never lead this team to the playoffs.
* JMO, but it appears that Schaub isn't the type of player that will pick up the team and carry them when needed. He doesn't seem to have that field general presence or never say die attitude or killer instinct, whatever you want to call it.
* Their appears to be alot of 1st round caliber QB's in the 2013 draft if everyone stays healthy and performs well next season. Perfect opportunity that if you ever were to trade up and take a franchise QB next year would be the perfect time.
* The team has quality and depth at most positions and could probably handle losing some lost draft picks in order to move up and get your future field general.

QB's of interest:
Tyler Bray-QB from Tennessee
Landry Jones-QB from Oklahoma
Tyler Wilson-QB from Arkansas


On the other side of the coin:

* Schaub is a good QB with time in the system, experience in the league, and team chemistry, all are valuable assets.
* Schaub will be 31 yoa. by the 2013 draft and has plenty of years left.
* He's always healed from injuries and come back to lead the team.
* I think he's smart enough to know that he's not elite and has an injury history that work against him and will most likely not hold out for elite money.
* Schaub is smart enough to not put his interest ahead of the team, I don't see him as greedy.
* Any college prospect, no matter how good they are or how highly ranked is still a project and subject to bust. We all remember our first ever 1st round QB. Sorry for bringing up such a foul memory.


So is it Super Bowl or bust time for Schaub and the Texans? Is our future leader already on the team, Yates? Opinions?

TexanCR
05-12-2012, 05:59 PM
While I agree with you that Rick & Gary probably take the safe route and re-sign Schaub I don't know that it's necessarily the right move. Honestly none of us know what the right move is, except the psychic hotline and Rick needs to have them on speed dial. Points of interest:

* Schaub is good but not great, depending on how you define those terms, but it's obvious to me that he's not one of the elite QB's in the NFL so there's room for improvement at the position.
* Re-signing Schaub is very expensive, thus tying up alot of money in one player.
* Tying up that much money in one player handcuffs the rest of the team since we wouldn't have the money to re-sign our own FA or open market FA to make the team better.
* The Texans showed last year that they're not willing to handcuff the team for 1 or 2 very expensive players and are willing to allow players to walk. IMO, this was the right thing to do, good job Rick.
* Schaub has an extensive injury history and has missed significant playing time in 3 out of 5 seasons with the Texans.
* Schaub is currently injured and theirs no certainty that he'll be back by training camp or regular season start time, regardless of what the teams says.
* Schaub has never lead this team to the playoffs.
* JMO, but it appears that Schaub isn't the type of player that will pick up the team and carry them when needed. He doesn't seem to have that field general presence or never say die attitude or killer instinct, whatever you want to call it.
* Their appears to be alot of 1st round caliber QB's in the 2013 draft if everyone stays healthy and performs well next season. Perfect opportunity that if you ever were to trade up and take a franchise QB next year would be the perfect time.
* The team has quality and depth at most positions and could probably handle losing some lost draft picks in order to move up and get your future field general.

QB's of interest:
Tyler Bray-QB from Tennessee
Landry Jones-QB from Oklahoma
Tyler Wilson-QB from Arkansas


On the other side of the coin:

* Schaub is a good QB with time in the system, experience in the league, and team chemistry, all are valuable assets.
* Schaub will be 31 yoa. by the 2013 draft and has plenty of years left.
* He's always healed from injuries and come back to lead the team.
* I think he's smart enough to know that he's not elite and has an injury history that work against him and will most likely not hold out for elite money.
* Schaub is smart enough to not put his interest ahead of the team, I don't see him as greedy.
* Any college prospect, no matter how good they are or how highly ranked is still a project and subject to bust. We all remember our first ever 1st round QB. Sorry for bringing up such a foul memory.


So is it Super Bowl or bust time for Schaub and the Texans? Is our future leader already on the team, Yates? Opinions?

I think is very unfair to say that Schaub never lead us to the playoffs, the previous years he posted really good numbers but did not have the support cast necessary to make it to the playoffs.

If not by a very controversial call from Kubiak, he would have been healthy and will lead us easily to the playoffs last year.

I do not understand why people do not like Schaub and even some of them (im not saying you) hate him. To me he is a good QB, maybe not elite but very high in the second class of QBs of the NFL, either way how many teams can say they have an elite QB? 5 at the most.

Again, I do like the idea of drafting a QB in the 1st round, I will even encourage it but not next year. I say lets give weapons to Schaub so he can succeed, taking into consideration that our defense is pretty much set. Lets get those 3 extensions this season (Schaub 2 years, Barwin and Brown longer than that) and get offensive players next season. Then in 2014 when we have a strong team on offense and defense we use our first pick to draft our franchise QB and let him seat 1 year under Schaub to learn the offense.

BTW its important to get those extension made because we have to find some cap room for 2014, we cannot afford losing the heart and soul of our defense that will be a FA in 2014.

mussop
05-12-2012, 06:03 PM
Let me be the first to introduce next years Texans first round pick.

Derek Carr*, QB, Fresno State


:backsout:

mussop
05-12-2012, 06:06 PM
Seriously this is a guy I will be watching with a lot of interest this year.

Zac Dysert, QB
Miami (Ohio) RedHawks

beerlover
05-12-2012, 07:12 PM
Seriously this is a guy I will be watching with a lot of interest this year.

Zac Dysert, QB
Miami (Ohio) RedHawks

another redhawk? interesting, I see a trend-line developing here :specnatz:

badboy
05-12-2012, 07:25 PM
I misunderstood your post. I thought you said what would I do if we didn't re-up Schaub.

The way to go is to extend Shaub for 2 yrs (if healthy) draft Bray and let him learn the offense while not being under the pressure of having to produce immediately.

Bray would be an upgrade over Yates when Schaub gets hurt again and would be worth the draft capital spent. He's a franchise QB that this franchise has never had. IMHO (Elite)Steel what I am saying is you and others say sign Schaub for two years but why would he do that? Makes no sense. This should be his last chance (as did Mario) to set himself for life. He has made only average money imo for a QB with his stats.

Wolf6151
05-13-2012, 12:48 AM
Many here seem to like Tyler Bray as a future Texan. Assuming he plays well this season and tests well at the Combine he'd most likely be considered a top 5 draft pick. Also assuming we do well next season and are around the same draft position, mid 20's, what would it cost us to move up possbily 20+ spots? That's gonna get expensive.

The Pencil Neck
05-13-2012, 01:43 AM
Steel what I am saying is you and others say sign Schaub for two years but why would he do that? Makes no sense. This should be his last chance (as did Mario) to set himself for life. He has made only average money imo for a QB with his stats.

^^^ This.

Although there are some people who don't think Schaub is good enough to win a SB, he is one of the top QBs in the league. Not that many guys lead the league in passing and especially not with a total that is 6th highest at the time it was set. Not that many guys throw for 9000 yards in 2 seasons.

Unless Schaub has problems coming back from this injury or gets another injury OR comes back and stinks up the joint next year, he's due a LOT of money. He's going to be dealing from a position of strength. He's not going to sign some 2-year deal so we can train his replacement unless we're paying him an insane amount for those two years or franchising him. If he waits and becomes a FA, he's going to make bank... and he knows it.

If we're going to move away from Schaub, then we need to deal him and get something for him. But I seriously doubt we do anything other than ride him until the wheels fall off OR a developmental QB (like TJ) overtakes him.

steelbtexan
05-13-2012, 10:40 AM
^^^ This.

Although there are some people who don't think Schaub is good enough to win a SB, he is one of the top QBs in the league. Not that many guys lead the league in passing and especially not with a total that is 6th highest at the time it was set. Not that many guys throw for 9000 yards in 2 seasons.

Unless Schaub has problems coming back from this injury or gets another injury OR comes back and stinks up the joint next year, he's due a LOT of money. He's going to be dealing from a position of strength. He's not going to sign some 2-year deal so we can train his replacement unless we're paying him an insane amount for those two years or franchising him. If he waits and becomes a FA, he's going to make bank... and he knows it.

If we're going to move away from Schaub, then we need to deal him and get something for him. But I seriously doubt we do anything other than ride him until the wheels fall off OR a developmental QB (like TJ) overtakes him.

Agrred

But, the odds of Schaub getting hurt again are above avg.

Nobody not even the Texans doctors know if Schaub is going to be healthy to play next yr and even if he does how long his foot will hold up.

For this reason it's time to start preparing for the future. The cost of trading up for a QB like Bray will be high. (Probably 3 1sts and a 2nd) But that's just the cost for a young franchise QB.

I think we can all agree this is the most important yr in Schaubs tenure with the Texans. This yr should tell Rick/Gary which direction they should go. It should be very interesting.

rmartin65
05-13-2012, 10:50 AM
I think we have to look for a QB soon. But I am not trading a premium yet. 3 1sts and a 2nd is too high, IMO.

2013 looks to have plenty of QBs with good potential eligible. I feel confident that one of Barkely, Jones, Bray, Wilson, Thomas and Murray will be there late (QBs who have 1st round potential, not ranked in this list).

Rey
05-13-2012, 11:12 AM
Although there are some people who don't think Schaub is good enough to win a SB, he is one of the top QBs in the league. Not that many guys lead the league in passing and especially not with a total that is 6th highest at the time it was set. Not that many guys throw for 9000 yards in 2 seasons.

Schaub is a good qb. But the year he led the league in passing he also led the league in attempts. He threw the ball more than anyone else.

Again, schaub is a good qb because throwing the ball a lot doesn't guarantee success.


Just pointing out that while he has put up some good stats in order for him to take the next step as a qb he's going to have to step up in some big games and clutch situations if/when he gets the opportunity.

The Pencil Neck
05-13-2012, 02:08 PM
Schaub is a good qb. But the year he led the league in passing he also led the league in attempts. He threw the ball more than anyone else.

Again, schaub is a good qb because throwing the ball a lot doesn't guarantee success.


Just pointing out that while he has put up some good stats in order for him to take the next step as a qb he's going to have to step up in some big games and clutch situations if/when he gets the opportunity.

Yeah... but... of the top 20 quarterbacks that year (ranked by yardage), only 3 had a bigger yards per yards per attempts and 2 had the same 8.2 ypa. So it's not like he was dinking and dunking for those completions. That was an exceptional season.

But the point wasn't about success, the point was about having that on his resume guarantees someone throwing Mario-like money at him once he reaches FA.

badboy
05-13-2012, 03:20 PM
Schaub is a good qb. But the year he led the league in passing he also led the league in attempts. He threw the ball more than anyone else.

Again, schaub is a good qb because throwing the ball a lot doesn't guarantee success.


Just pointing out that while he has put up some good stats in order for him to take the next step as a qb he's going to have to step up in some big games and clutch situations if/when he gets the opportunity.While I agree with what you are saying could care less if he threw the ball a lot as the other QBs could have done same. He moved the ball at about 7.5 avg per pass. He moved the ball with AJ and then Rinky Dink WRs. I am not a big Schaub fan but do recognise his skill set. Same with Mario. Your comment is like saying well Bill caught more fish because he put his hook in the water more. Case Keenum went thru same criticism. If we have an alternative for Matt, I'd probably be down with it.

IIRC, Barkley stock began to drop before he decided to remain in school. RG3 began to sky rocket.

Goldensilence
05-15-2012, 08:54 PM
Here's the only two reasons I would make a huge trade up: Franchise QB and a player that might put us over the top.

IMO if Matt Schaub gets PUP'd to start to year we need to start looking what to do long term at QB. Matt's a good QB when healthy, problem is he's only been fully healthy in two of the 5 season's he's started here...if he is PUP'd we're talking about 4-6 season he's missed significant time. He's approaching Chris Chandler territory.

If this is the case moving into pre-season, I think you've got to start looking at if Yates or Keenum is a long term solution at QB. If not, I think you've got to pull the trigger on a trade up to get THAT guy.

The other scenario I'd trade up big for is If Matt is healthy, or if we think we've got something in Yates or Keenum, but come up just short of a super bowl berth and believe a certain player can get us over that hump.

Honestly, I think we're going to have to make a move at QB.

Rey
05-15-2012, 10:53 PM
I think kubiak likes Yates if schaub can't go now or in the future.

If some outstanding qb prospect fell in our laps maybe he'd pull the trigger, but I think they are willing to roll with Yates if the situation calls for it. Jmo.

Wolf6151
05-16-2012, 01:03 AM
Provided all the top college QB's have a good season and test well at the Combine, Barkley and Bray are most likely to be top 5 picks. What do you guys think of Landry Jones? He probably wouldn't go as high and thus would be cheaper in a trade up scenario. Unless Yates is the future of the QB position for the Texans I think Smithiak should give serious consideration to a 1st round QB.

beerlover
05-16-2012, 02:58 AM
Provided all the top college QB's have a good season and test well at the Combine, Barkley and Bray are most likely to be top 5 picks. What do you guys think of Landry Jones? He probably wouldn't go as high and thus would be cheaper in a trade up scenario. Unless Yates is the future of the QB position for the Texans I think Smithiak should give serious consideration to a 1st round QB.

I see a younger version of Schaub.

Goldensilence
05-16-2012, 09:48 AM
Just wondering....how about Ryan Mallet stashed in New England?

badboy
05-16-2012, 12:19 PM
Just wondering....how about Ryan Mallet stashed in New England?Mallet is right where he needs to be. I don't see Pats moving him unless for a vet to plug a need.

At least we have a season to discover where we are at QB. Hopefully with TC and a season, coaches can work with Yates. Hopefully the new Oline will protect our QBs. If we could enter 2013 with Yates and Keenum 1 & 2, I'd be giggly.

steelbtexan
05-16-2012, 03:37 PM
Murray is the kind of guy that Gary will probaby be looking for.

It probably wont cost as much to get him. Murrays only knock is that he stands 6'1. But he's really a smart QB and has an above avg arm. Remember when he was throwing the deep ball to Green and Durham. Last yr Murray made Tavaruis King (SP?) look really good.

steelbtexan
05-16-2012, 03:39 PM
I see a younger version of Schaub.

Jones has a better arm than Schaub and is accurate with the ball.

But he wilts in the face of pressure.

Wolf6151
05-16-2012, 04:30 PM
Jones has a better arm than Schaub and is accurate with the ball.

But he wilts in the face of pressure.

When I look at Jones I see a guy with good height and size, arm strength, fairly quick release, and accurate, but he stares at his receivers thus telegraphing where the ball is going. A good FS in the NFL would eat him up. Hopefully something like that could be fixed. Anyone know if Jones is athletic or mobile, can he run or elude the pass rush when needed?

steelbtexan
05-16-2012, 10:36 PM
When I look at Jones I see a guy with good height and size, arm strength, fairly quick release, and accurate, but he stares at his receivers thus telegraphing where the ball is going. A good FS in the NFL would eat him up. Hopefully something like that could be fixed. Anyone know if Jones is athletic or mobile, can he run or elude the pass rush when needed?

Never thought about Jones like that. But I think you're right. If that's all that's wrong Gary should be able to fix Jones. But he might as well keep working with Yates. Yates has the same problem and about the same arm as Jones.