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9baller
05-07-2012, 09:55 PM
According to http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/rapid-reports/post/18985042 the fourth QB will "play behind Matt Schaub, T.J. Yates and rookie Case Keenum." Is this an indication Schaub will be delayed in returning? thoughts?

Rey
05-07-2012, 10:05 PM
According to http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/rapid-reports/post/18985042 the fourth QB will "play behind Matt Schaub, T.J. Yates and rookie Case Keenum." Is this an indication Schaub will be delayed in returning? thoughts?

What is "delayed"?

Kubiak said a while ago Matt wouldn't be a full participant and they were bringing in a fourth qb so Keenum and Yates arms didn't fall off.

I don't know when he'll be back.

The Pencil Neck
05-07-2012, 10:05 PM
According to http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/rapid-reports/post/18985042 the fourth QB will "play behind Matt Schaub, T.J. Yates and rookie Case Keenum." Is this an indication Schaub will be delayed in returning? thoughts?

This is something we've already talked about a lot already. Not this particular news report but that we needed at least 1 more camp arm but almost definitely one of the vet's out there.

If Matt eventually makes it back before the beginning of the season, then we probably go Matt/TJ/Case assuming TJ progresses as we expect. If Matt goes onto PUP or something like that, then we probably go TJ/Vet/Case. Either way, we need at least 1 more QB in camp possibly 2 with the extra being a camp arm.

Dutchrudder
05-07-2012, 10:18 PM
Get Dan Lefevour! He can tell us all of Blaine Gabberts secrets!!!

CretorFrigg
05-07-2012, 10:20 PM
Okay, I'll try out and tell you guys how it goes. I can probably throw accurately 10 yards or less and run the 40 in about 9.9 seconds. I tried benching the bar and was able to do so once. The most I've ever ran was from my couch to the fridge in the kitchen to get some beer.

Sign me up, Coach Kubes!

PapaL
05-07-2012, 10:48 PM
We should get Drew Brees. He hasnt signed yet.

Oh wait. This isn't madden? Camp fodder it is. No story here.

GP
05-07-2012, 11:25 PM
Where's the guy from Florida Atlantic University who was tossing all those passes to LeStar Jean???

Name is Jeff Van Camp and 2010 was his senior year. Seems like the offense fell apart around him...lost EIGHT offensive starters in his senior year 2010.

Looked pretty good to me in the videos I saw of him (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lUpkgHI38U) tossing the pigskin to LeStar Jean back in 2010. Dude is 6' 5" and I didn't see a ball to LeStar Jean that wasn't thrown to LeStar with great timing and accuracy. He was flinging the ball DEEP and effortlessly.

Wikipedia entry for free agent QB Jeff Van Camp. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Van_Camp)

Excerpts from the wikipedia entry:

EARLY YEARS
Initially offered a scholarship to Quincy University, VanCamp had a change of heart when he received a phone call from FAU staff members the morning of signing day offering him the prospect of a full scholarship close to home. In a quarterback class that included himself and Rusty Smith, VanCamp was redshirted his freshman year. Over the course of the 2007 & 2008 seasons, VanCamp would serve as Smith's backup, accumlating statistics of 10/25, 74 yards, 0 TDs, 2 INT, 1 rushing TD, 2 sacks [3] in mop-up duties, as Smith would lead the Owls to a Sun Belt Conference Championship and 2007 New Orleans Bowl & 2008 Motor City Bowl wins.

JUNIOR YEAR (2009)
VanCamp began the 2009 season behind senior Rusty Smith again. During a game against Middle Tennessee, VanCamp was thrusted into action after Smith went down with a shoulder injury. With Smith sidelined for the remainder of the season, VanCamp received his first collegiate start the next week against University of Alabama-Birmingham. VanCamp finished the season 3-2 as a starter, accumulating statistics of 109/184, 1372 yards, 12 TDs, 2 INTs, 3 rushing TDs, 13 sacks, earning a QB rating of 141.23.[3]

SENIOR YEAR (2010)
VanCamp's senior season began with much excitement and enthusiasm as many expected FAU to compete for the Sun Belt Conference championship after VanCamp's breakout junior season. After leading the team to a come-from-behind 32-31 win against UAB and competing in a 30-17 losing effort against Michigan State, FAU embarked on a 5 game losing streak. Out of conference contention, VanCamp lead to Owls to a three game win streak, including a 3 touchdown effort against Louisiana-Lafayette. The Owls then finished the season on a three game losing streak, including a season ending loss to rival Troy. Plagued with having to replace eight offensive starters, VanCamp was still able to put up the fourth best conference numbers, accumulating statistics of 192/335, 2459 yards, 17 TDs, 13 INTs, 34 sacks, earning a QB rating of 127.95.[3]

Before people say "He hasn't done anything at all in 2011. Probably sacking groceries..." remember there was a Super Bowl quarterback who also was just sacking groceries too.

I can't find anything else on the guy. Google search pulls up nothing but his FAU stats and draft preview articles from back in 2011.

XI CMURDER IX
05-07-2012, 11:42 PM
Get Dan Lefevour! He can tell us all of Blaine Gabberts secrets!!!

Kubiak: "Alright Dan, tell me what Blaine and the Jaguars are trying to accomplish in their offense."

Lefevour: "Well coach, they didn't tell me much. I can tell you what not to do, is that alright?"

Kubiack: "They didn't tell or show you anything?"

Lefevour:" "He showed me how to get in the fetal position, oh and this cool trick where you shout at the guys that try to tackle you! Also there is this cool thing they do before they cross midfield, everyone on the team knows about it though. It's called punting."

The Pencil Neck
05-08-2012, 12:01 AM
get dan lefevour! He can tell us all of blaine gabberts secrets!!!

genius!

ckhouston
05-08-2012, 06:34 AM
Kubes

"with Matt being out"

Not rehabing, not coming back later, not delayed until TC ... out.

Just sayin ...

Marcus
05-08-2012, 08:37 AM
Were there 4 QBs going into camp last season? Or the season before that?

Hookem Horns
05-08-2012, 09:02 AM
There's still hope for Vince!

TEXANRED
05-08-2012, 09:10 AM
TIhere's still hope for Vince!

That's it. You are banned. I don't care if u own the sight. Go on, ban yourself.

beerlover
05-08-2012, 09:42 AM
Vince Insanity :vincepalm:

Hookem Horns
05-08-2012, 09:52 AM
That's it. You are banned. I don't care if u own the sight. Go on, ban yourself.

LOL, I love pushing buttons when it comes to Vince. I do the same thing on a couple of Longhorn boards except I do the opposite. On one I have negative rep points due to me just telling it like it is about Vince. I am always taking stabs at the VY fanboys because they annoy the h*ll out of me and make us normal UT fans look bad.

TexansFanatic
05-08-2012, 09:58 AM
I am always taking stabs at the VY fanboys because they annoy the h*ll out of me and make us normal UT fans look bad.

Man, you got that right. Seems like every team has its own group of fans who are completely detached from reality.

El Tejano
05-08-2012, 10:11 AM
I would like for them to bring in Dennis Dixon but I know we are looking for a 4th stringer. That being said, I'm ok with signing Jake Delhomme again. Get him acclimated with the offense and at the end of camp tell him to sit by the phone and wait.

Brisco_County
05-08-2012, 10:45 AM
LOL, I love pushing buttons when it comes to Vince. I do the same thing on a couple of Longhorn boards except I do the opposite. On one I have negative rep points due to me just telling it like it is about Vince. I am always taking stabs at the VY fanboys because they annoy the h*ll out of me and make us normal UT fans look bad.

Such is the burden of a Texans/Longhorns fan living in Austin. I probably know one of the guys who negative repped you.

badboy
05-08-2012, 10:54 AM
I think it is a really small pool that vet QB are netted from.

b0ng
05-08-2012, 11:09 AM
Brett.







Favre.

Blake
05-08-2012, 11:13 AM
Just waiting for Rex to get cut.

SteveSlaton20
05-08-2012, 02:20 PM
LOL, I love pushing buttons when it comes to Vince. I do the same thing on a couple of Longhorn boards except I do the opposite. On one I have negative rep points due to me just telling it like it is about Vince. I am always taking stabs at the VY fanboys because they annoy the h*ll out of me and make us normal UT fans look bad.

it's funny because, that's ALL you do on the longhorns board. you don't talk about the current longhorn football team, basketball, baseball, or anything else. you only bash VY on SB and then come here and say that you're a normal UT fan when you don't talk anything Longhorns over there.

GP
05-08-2012, 03:57 PM
it's funny because, that's ALL you do on the longhorns board. you don't talk about the current longhorn football team, basketball, baseball, or anything else. you only bash VY on SB and then come here and say that you're a normal UT fan when you don't talk anything Longhorns over there.

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee119/1nt3rc3pt0r/Meme/watch-out-we-got-a-badass-over-here-meme.png

4Texans
05-08-2012, 05:13 PM
They will need a 4th QB just to have another arm in training camp.


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Hookem Horns
05-08-2012, 05:54 PM
it's funny because, that's ALL you do on the longhorns board. you don't talk about the current longhorn football team, basketball, baseball, or anything else. you only bash VY on SB and then come here and say that you're a normal UT fan when you don't talk anything Longhorns over there.

OMG, don't tell me you are one of those VY (out of touch with reality) jockmunchers on SB. Do you really think SB is a good place to talk about serious UT things? It's too hard to get through all of the profanity, etc to post anything serious over there. I don't (or rarely do) post anything serious on that board. It's just a place where the VY fanboys / Texans basher congregate and I occasionally pop in to mess with them.

However ... please define "bash". I keep asking them to do that over there, to quote me "bashing" Vince and all they reply with is profanity and nothing intelligent. If you don't worship the guy and basically want to be homo with him you are considered a "basher" over there. My issue isn't with VY, it's with all of those VY retards that bashed the Texans for all of those years and still do because they didn't draft their hero. So to double check myself I went back quite a ways and found all of my VY related posts. Let the unbiased here judge if I am "bashing" VY.

Replying in a thread about if VY should stay with the Eagles or sign somewhere else (also making a stab all of those that hate Fisher for not giving him a chance) ..

Looks like the Eagles are still pursuing more QB options. It's interesting how VY is not even on Reid's list. Should we all start hating Andy Reid now?

http://articles.philly.com/2012-03-2...erback-options

Me replying to a guy that called me a d****bag for posting the above and saying "If Reid is NOT considering VY, the reasonable conclusion is that it is partly VYs choosing. If VY is not considering the Eagles, he probably has better options."

Andy Reid's actions suggest he prefers VY over anyone else they are considering?? The action of not offering another contract? You are truly a moron. You REALLY think VY not going back to the Eagles is his choice? So basically you are implying that VY either turned them down or told them not to bother offering him another contract. So you think VY is choosing to be unemployed at the moment?

Why the heck would VY NOT want to go back to the Eagles?? Vick has proven over and over again that he can't stay on the field. Instead Vince is out there telling everyone he wants to play in Houston where Schaub and Yates would be ahead of him in the depth chart. There is no way in hades the Texas will sign VY for many reasons already mentioned in this thread.

For whatever reason it is obvious to all of us who are not blinded that neither Reid or obviously no one else in the NFL wants to sign this guy right now. Stop with the lame ass excuses, etc, and except reality.

To quote you "Consider the Facts" ... VY in his 6th offseason is UNEMPLOYED with apparently no one lining up to offer him anything. Compare that to the guy you all hated the Texans for drafting over VY who just signed the richest defensive contract ever. Hell even Reggie Bust is on someone's roster right now.

You and borna horn are always asking for facts, there are your facts.

Me replying to a guy that says VY was a better runner than freaking Earl Campbell ...

Did I just read a post by you saying "VY was a better runner in 2003 than Earl ever was in college."??

I know you are obsessed with VY in an unhealthy way but this tells me you are either a bigger moron than I would have ever imagined or you are around 15 years old.


Same thread and responding to that moron again after he called me out for "bashing" VY because I don't think he was a better runner than Earl ...

You are just plain delusional to put VY over Earl Campbell as a runner. I realize you are probably of the Justin Boever generation and you never saw Earl, however you need to get a grip.

Me sarcastically responding to those morons who actually believe that Andy Reid didn't want to resign VY because he didn't want to hold him back because "he should be starting somewhere"....

Exactly, there is no way the Eagles would want to get involved in the current bidding war going on for VY's services. With all of these teams willing to pay him starter money the Eagles need to think about cap space and settle for a lesser guy for less money. Pos rep coming your way .. oh wait.

Me responding to another moron telling me to F off because my comments on VY are getting "tiresome" ...

Yep, reality can get tiresome at times.

Responding to a guy who upon finding out Vince was working out for the Bills was going to go online and buy a Bills hat to replace his Titans hat. Actually my reply to him was right after it was made known that the Bills were not going to make a contact offer ...

If you hurry up you still might be able to cancel that order. I know Football Fanatics takes a day or two before shipping.

Me responding to some moron that said Kubiak would never sign VY because he is an Aggy ...

You really think Kubiak is thinking about college loyalties? If anything Kubiak is a great QB coach and maybe he could do some good things with VY. I was curious what Leinart was going to do after being with Kubiak for 2 seasons besides injure his shoulder. I would much rather have VY than Leinart.

Responding to a VY fanboy who says I make no sense ...

No, that is not true. The fanboys neg rep anyone that does not paint a perfect rosey picture about VY. My posts and many others making similar observations made a lot sense, you may not agree or want to believe it because of your blind loyalty to one player, however they made sense. Do we believe too much of the media? I don't know, I can only go on what I see and what the bottom line is right now.

The bottom line is I and many others here firmly believe a lot of VY's issues are on himself. Sure, Fisher had personal issues with VY however if VY would have kept his cool and stayed mature through the whole process it would have all came out much better for him. Now he is in a situation where he is going to be looking again to sign with a team as a backup instead of what he should doing, already being a star starter for someone.

Personally I hate Bud Adams and the Titans, and I would be lying if I said I wasn't glad this whole thing blew up in Bud's face. Now that VY is no longer connected to that abortion of a franchise I really hope he pulls it together, matures and flourishes somewhere.

To someone suggesting that either Texas team should sign VY ..

Either Texas team would be sabotaging their starting QBs by signing Vince. Both Romo and Schaub would be one bad pass away from having a large section of their fanbase clamoring for Vince to start. Personally I am not sold on either Romo or Schaub however I don't blame either team for avoiding that drama. Of course Jerry Jones loves drama so I could see VY in Dallas long before Houston.

Responding again to be called a VY basher ..

Nope, as a Longhorn I loved VY in college as a QB. However he left in 2005 and I don't have the 13 year old girl/Justin Bieber worship for him (as some here obviously do). Honestly I have nothing personal against Vince. What I do have issues with are morons that ad nauseum keep making excuses for this guy, coming up with hilarious conspiracy theories and are obsessed with him. It makes us normal UT fans look like idiots to outsiders.


If I missed one and you still think I am "bashing" Vince on SB please quote it for me. I would like to see it.

For the record how often do you see my posting in serious Texans topics also? Not many. I run this site but never have claimed to be a football expert. I do a lot more lurking/reading than posting especially when it comes to serious football topics. I am no Alan Burge, and there are many here that are way above me on those subjects. So I prefer to enjoy reading their commentary rather than posting in those instances.

drs23
05-08-2012, 07:41 PM
OMG, don't tell me you are one of those VY (out of touch with reality) jockmunchers on SB. Do you really think SB is a good place to talk about serious UT things? It's too hard to get through all of the profanity, etc to post anything serious over there. I don't (or rarely do) post anything serious on that board. It's just a place where the VY fanboys / Texans basher congregate and I occasionally pop in to mess with them.

However ... please define "bash". I keep asking them to do that over there, to quote me "bashing" Vince and all they reply with is profanity and nothing intelligent. If you don't worship the guy and basically want to be homo with him you are considered a "basher" over there. My issue isn't with VY, it's with all of those VY retards that bashed the Texans for all of those years and still do because they didn't draft their hero. So to double check myself I went back quite a ways and found all of my VY related posts. Let the unbiased here judge if I am "bashing" VY.

Replying in a thread about if VY should stay with the Eagles or sign somewhere else (also making a stab all of those that hate Fisher for not giving him a chance) ..



Me replying to a guy that called me a d****bag for posting the above and saying "If Reid is NOT considering VY, the reasonable conclusion is that it is partly VYs choosing. If VY is not considering the Eagles, he probably has better options."



Me replying to a guy that says VY was a better runner than freaking Earl Campbell ...




Same thread and responding to that moron again after he called me out for "bashing" VY because I don't think he was a better runner than Earl ...



Me sarcastically responding to those morons who actually believe that Andy Reid didn't want to resign VY because he didn't want to hold him back because "he should be starting somewhere"....



Me responding to another moron telling me to F off because my comments on VY are getting "tiresome" ...



Responding to a guy who upon finding out Vince was working out for the Bills was going to go online and buy a Bills hat to replace his Titans hat. Actually my reply to him was right after it was made known that the Bills were not going to make a contact offer ...



Me responding to some moron that said Kubiak would never sign VY because he is an Aggy ...



Responding to a VY fanboy who says I make no sense ...



To someone suggesting that either Texas team should sign VY ..



Responding again to be called a VY basher ..



If I missed one and you still think I am "bashing" Vince on SB please quote it for me. I would like to see it.

For the record how often do you see my posting in serious Texans topics also? Not many. I run this site but never have claimed to be a football expert. I do a lot more lurking/reading than posting especially when it comes to serious football topics. I am no Alan Burge, and there are many here that are way above me on those subjects. So I prefer to enjoy reading their commentary rather than posting in those instances.

Great post. You backed up exactly what you said. I also repped you because if you haven't already, you may receive a neg rep from one particular sniffer/chewer. If not, your dangerously close. I know I have for a less than glowing view of young Young. :)

jtexas
05-08-2012, 08:23 PM
They will add a vet and unfortunately Case Keenum will get cut come reg season.

drs23
05-08-2012, 08:43 PM
They will add a vet and unfortunately Case Keenum will get cut come reg season.

I'm thinking exactly NOT. Time will tell.

I'm going to hide-n-watch.

Texan_Bill
05-08-2012, 08:54 PM
I'm thinking exactly NOT. Time will tell.

I'm going to hide-n-watch.

Agreed! Kubiak likes Keenum and this after Kubiak actually worked with him. The extra guy is an insurance policy to create competition. I don't blame Kubiak at all for bringing in another guy because there is NO gaurantee that Schaub will be ready OR will ever even make it back.

Texecutioner
05-08-2012, 10:38 PM
I like the idea of this. IF anything it can push Keenum and Yates to get better. Competition brings out the best.

SteveSlaton20
05-09-2012, 12:52 AM
OMG, don't tell me you are one of those VY (out of touch with reality) jockmunchers on SB. Do you really think SB is a good place to talk about serious UT things? It's too hard to get through all of the profanity, etc to post anything serious over there. I don't (or rarely do) post anything serious on that board. It's just a place where the VY fanboys / Texans basher congregate and I occasionally pop in to mess with them.

However ... please define "bash". I keep asking them to do that over there, to quote me "bashing" Vince and all they reply with is profanity and nothing intelligent. If you don't worship the guy and basically want to be homo with him you are considered a "basher" over there. My issue isn't with VY, it's with all of those VY retards that bashed the Texans for all of those years and still do because they didn't draft their hero. So to double check myself I went back quite a ways and found all of my VY related posts. Let the unbiased here judge if I am "bashing" VY.

Replying in a thread about if VY should stay with the Eagles or sign somewhere else (also making a stab all of those that hate Fisher for not giving him a chance) ..



Me replying to a guy that called me a d****bag for posting the above and saying "If Reid is NOT considering VY, the reasonable conclusion is that it is partly VYs choosing. If VY is not considering the Eagles, he probably has better options."



Me replying to a guy that says VY was a better runner than freaking Earl Campbell ...




Same thread and responding to that moron again after he called me out for "bashing" VY because I don't think he was a better runner than Earl ...



Me sarcastically responding to those morons who actually believe that Andy Reid didn't want to resign VY because he didn't want to hold him back because "he should be starting somewhere"....



Me responding to another moron telling me to F off because my comments on VY are getting "tiresome" ...



Responding to a guy who upon finding out Vince was working out for the Bills was going to go online and buy a Bills hat to replace his Titans hat. Actually my reply to him was right after it was made known that the Bills were not going to make a contact offer ...



Me responding to some moron that said Kubiak would never sign VY because he is an Aggy ...



Responding to a VY fanboy who says I make no sense ...



To someone suggesting that either Texas team should sign VY ..



Responding again to be called a VY basher ..



If I missed one and you still think I am "bashing" Vince on SB please quote it for me. I would like to see it.

For the record how often do you see my posting in serious Texans topics also? Not many. I run this site but never have claimed to be a football expert. I do a lot more lurking/reading than posting especially when it comes to serious football topics. I am no Alan Burge, and there are many here that are way above me on those subjects. So I prefer to enjoy reading their commentary rather than posting in those instances.

I've never said you bashed him, I said VY is the only thing you talk about when you're on SB, whether it's positive or negative. Yes, there are delusional people over there, but that doesn't mean they don't aren't right or ignorant, whatever the case is. And no, I really don't talk **** if you say something bad about VY unless I think it's totally ignorant, and even then I really don't talk **** back, but I will still defend him. I still think he can start on a team and win some games and make it to the playoffs as long as he has talents on his team and the coaches actually use him to for his skills and not try to make him a different quarterback/player. All of this VY issues aren't black and white, and I'm not really surprised most of the Longhorns fans still defend him. As for the poster who said he was a better runner than Earl, is just...dumb. VY was probably more efficient as a runner, but not a better all around runner. I don't think there wasn't anything Earl couldn't do as a running back. And yes, there a lot of people who are still mad we picked Mario over VY. Even I wanted VY back then, and I would still like to see how his career would've been had he went to play for Gary Kubiak, rather than Jeff freakin Fisher. There are a lot of Texans haters over there, but it's calmed down a lot after last season, and there's even a 18 pages(900 replies) thread on the 2012 Texans Offseason Thread. So there are plenty of Texans fans to talk on there, if you wanted to lol.

Sorry for being off topic though.


Back on topic, I don't think Keenum will get cut, if anything he'll be on the Practice squad if he doesn't get picked up on waivers. I'd like to bring back Delhomme if he wants to give it another go, especially since he knows the system better than most of the FA QBs out there. Not sure if he'll come back and officially retired though.

ckhouston
05-09-2012, 04:33 AM
it's funny because, that's ALL you do on the longhorns board. you don't talk about the current longhorn football team, basketball, baseball, or anything else. you only bash VY on SB and then come here and say that you're a normal UT fan when you don't talk anything Longhorns over there.

VY is a joke so bashing him would seem to come naturally for most UT fans since he has done nothing but been an embarrassment since leaving the program. Why would any UT alum or fan come out now and support VY after he has proven to be a moron? He basically had a good year or two in college and has done nothing else in life but self destruct. Why he isnt playing in Canada yet I have no idea. Maybe the Katy Stallions will pick him up.

Hookem Horns
05-09-2012, 07:46 AM
you only bash VY on SB and then come here and say that you're a normal UT fan

I've never said you bashed him ..

:thinking:

Playoffs
05-09-2012, 10:33 AM
:thinking:
Wait ..... VY just "grew" a beard?

SteveSlaton20
05-09-2012, 01:49 PM
:thinking:

derp'd

lmao. sorry.

carry on.

BigWig
05-09-2012, 02:38 PM
What about Kellen Moore from Boise State, I don' t think he was drafted and probably should have been so he may come cheap!

Doppelganger
05-09-2012, 03:02 PM
What about Kellen Moore from Boise State, I don' t think he was drafted and probably should have been so he may come cheap!

If you want a 4th QB, you typically go after a vet rather than an UDFA.

Texans had a chance at Moore but took Keenum instead. That said, Moore signed with the Lions.

Dutchrudder
05-09-2012, 03:08 PM
**snip**

Dunno if you saw it, but there was a thread about VY's wedding that happened a month ago. There were a couple comments along the lines of "Now he can focus on getting back to being an NFL starting QB!" as if getting married will straighten him out. (no pun intended) You may want to go have a gander at that one if you're bored :D

http://www.shaggybevo.com/board/showthread.php/110844-VY-wedding-pics

This pic is awesome.
http://www.atlnightspots.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/014_vince-young-wedding-photography-nfl-cabo-candice-nyc-chris-lynn-football-players-drinking-es.jpg

The Pencil Neck
05-09-2012, 03:10 PM
What about Kellen Moore from Boise State, I don' t think he was drafted and probably should have been so he may come cheap!

Like Case Keenum, he was snatched up as a UDFA pretty quickly. He signed with the Lions.

ckhouston
05-09-2012, 03:12 PM
This pic is awesome.
http://www.atlnightspots.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/014_vince-young-wedding-photography-nfl-cabo-candice-nyc-chris-lynn-football-players-drinking-es.jpg

That dude VY is with almost looks like a chick.

Goldensilence
05-09-2012, 03:37 PM
I don't think Matt Schaub will be ready by the start of the season, despite him and the staff saying all the right things. I've just seen it too much here to know better.

That said, I get the feeling Yates is going to get all the first team snaps possible to prove he's more than capable of starting out the season, because I think he'll be doing just that. I am thinking they'll likely go after another veteran arm in the mean time to do two things: one, help TJ and Case out with learning the offense and what it takes to be a successful QB. Two, if TJ doesn't look sharp and struggles through TC and preseason, we need someone that is capable of stepping into a starting role.

If I had my choice, I'd love for them to convince Delhomme to put off retirement for another year or go after a guy like Billy Volek.

The Pencil Neck
05-09-2012, 03:41 PM
I don't think Matt Schaub will be ready by the start of the season, despite him and the staff saying all the right things. I've just seen it too much here to know better.

That said, I get the feeling Yates is going to get all the first team snaps possible to prove he's more than capable of starting out the season, because I think he'll be doing just that. I am thinking they'll likely go after another veteran arm in the mean time to do two things: one, help TJ and Case out with learning the offense and what it takes to be a successful QB. Two, if TJ doesn't look sharp and struggles through TC and preseason, we need someone that is capable of stepping into a starting role.

If I had my choice, I'd love for them to convince Delhomme to put off retirement for another year or go after a guy like Billy Volek.


^^^ This. Been saying it for weeks now.

ckhouston
05-09-2012, 04:04 PM
If I had my choice, I'd love for them to convince Delhomme to put off retirement for another year or go after a guy like Billy Volek.

I think Jake is done. If they sign a veteran I wouldn't be surprised to see them get John Beck.

The Pencil Neck
05-09-2012, 04:34 PM
I think Jake is done. If they sign a veteran I wouldn't be surprised to see them get John Beck.

If they think there's going to be a problem with Matt, I wouldn't be surprised if they go after Dennis Dixon to create some competition for TJ. If they just want someone who knows the basic system and they don't want to threaten TJ, they'll go after Beck.

At least, that's what I expect.

Texecutioner
05-09-2012, 04:56 PM
VY is a joke so bashing him would seem to come naturally for most UT fans since he has done nothing but been an embarrassment since leaving the program.

Last I checked he won ROTY his first season, and also helped his team make the playoffs. He might not have been one of the better QB's in the league, but this statement is false.



Why would any UT alum or fan come out now and support VY after he has proven to be a moron?

Probably for the same reason why a lot of UT athletes still get support after a few mistakes. Typically if you did a great job for your school and were a great player the school's fans will always appreciate a guy as they should just as long as the guy isn't getting into multiple problems and committing serious crimes. VY hasn't done anything close to that. Say what you want about his NFL career, but as a college athlete he is easily one of the best players of all time and "arguably" the best college QB of all time. So asking why UT alums or fans would support him still is a very silly question and a rhetorical one at that.

He basically had a good year or two in college and has done nothing else in life but self destruct. Why he isnt playing in Canada yet I have no idea. Maybe the Katy Stallions will pick him up.

More complete BS. Sure he has had some problems on and off the field, but to say he has done nothing but self destruct is just false once again. He still has made a lot of money and is able to do a lot of things in his life if he never plays for another team again and will have a lot of opportunities.

Errant Hothy
05-09-2012, 05:10 PM
John Beck it is, per twitter

arb729
05-09-2012, 05:10 PM
figured this was appropriate to put it here but feel free to start a new thread but per mclain texans sign john beck

https://twitter.com/#!/McClain_on_NFL/status/200345513168609280

Texan_Bill
05-09-2012, 05:13 PM
Start the 15 new threads about John Beck in 5, 4, 3, ..................... :kitten:

The Pencil Neck
05-09-2012, 05:14 PM
And there you go.

They'll go through the OTAs and whatnot with TJ/Beck/Keenum.

When Matt comes back, the competition will probably be between Beck and Keenum for the #3 spot.

Thorn
05-09-2012, 05:32 PM
And there you go.

They'll go through the OTAs and whatnot with TJ/Beck/Keenum.

When Matt comes back, the competition will probably be between Beck and Keenum for the #3 spot.

I'm thinking Kubes wants to hang onto Keenum.

And count me in with the crowd that doesn't expect Schaub back for the start of the season, if ever. God I hope I'm wrong on that.

Goldensilence
05-09-2012, 05:40 PM
I am less than thrilled about it being Beck, I was hoping for someone who could possibly be an emergency starter if Yates struggles, which I don't think he will, but at any rate I think anything short of Schaub being Pup'd to start the season, Keenum is going to get that #3 spot and Beck will be the odd man out.

michaelm
05-09-2012, 05:41 PM
I'm thinking Kubes wants to hang onto Keenum.

And count me in with the crowd that doesn't expect Schaub back for the start of the season, if ever. God I hope I'm wrong on that.

Keenum will end up on the practice squad. No team will sign him off the PS knowing that they have to put him on their active roster (for the entire season, IIRC).

Thorn
05-09-2012, 05:43 PM
Keenum will end up on the practice squad. No team will sign him off the PS knowing that they have to put him on their active roster (for the entire season, IIRC).

If he has a decent pre-season, there are a lot of teams that would snatch him off the practice squad. If he doesn't, then he goes the way of all the other U of H QBs. But I think Keenum is going to surprise some folks and we'll keep him.

ckhouston
05-09-2012, 05:46 PM
Last I checked he won ROTY his first season, and also helped his team make the playoffs. He might not have been one of the better QB's in the league, but this statement is false.





Probably for the same reason why a lot of UT athletes still get support after a few mistakes. Typically if you did a great job for your school and were a great player the school's fans will always appreciate a guy as they should just as long as the guy isn't getting into multiple problems and committing serious crimes. VY hasn't done anything close to that. Say what you want about his NFL career, but as a college athlete he is easily one of the best players of all time and "arguably" the best college QB of all time. So asking why UT alums or fans would support him still is a very silly question and a rhetorical one at that.



More complete BS. Sure he has had some problems on and off the field, but to say he has done nothing but self destruct is just false once again. He still has made a lot of money and is able to do a lot of things in his life if he never plays for another team again and will have a lot of opportunities.

I disagree with 99.9% of what you said, but not going to waste any more bandwidth debating about someone so irrelevant.

False Start
05-09-2012, 05:58 PM
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ChampionTexan
05-09-2012, 06:06 PM
Keenum will end up on the practice squad. No team will sign him off the PS knowing that they have to put him on their active roster (for the entire season, IIRC).

I couldn't agree with you more. The only two things that will keep Case off the practice squad are Matt going on the PUP list, or Beck stinking things up so bad that Kubiak and Co. can't justify a roster spot for him. Notice that the fear of him getting claimed for somebody else's 53 man roster isn't one of those two things.

Goldensilence
05-09-2012, 06:08 PM
I couldn't agree with you more. The only two things that will keep Case off the practice squad are Matt going on the PUP list, or Beck stinking things up so bad that Kubiak and Co. can't justify a roster spot for him. Notice that the fear of him getting claimed for somebody else's 53 man roster isn't one of those two things.

Based off the sample we have had from him starting in DC in a pretty similar system I'd say odds are good.

9baller
05-09-2012, 10:13 PM
I think their performance at TC will determine who gets the 3rd string spot (Beck or Keenum). My guess is Keenum tears it up and impresses Kubes.

Rey
05-10-2012, 09:43 AM
I couldn't agree with you more. The only two things that will keep Case off the practice squad are Matt going on the PUP list, or Beck stinking things up so bad that Kubiak and Co. can't justify a roster spot for him. Notice that the fear of him getting claimed for somebody else's 53 man roster isn't one of those two things.

What about the possibility that Keenum plays well enough to earn his way onto the squad?

Blake
05-10-2012, 09:54 AM
Get a haircut dude!

Typical "I can fix him" mentality here. Beck is what he is. Nothing more than our 3rd string QB. I hope he has had alot of practice at holding the clip board. Cause he is gonna be doing alot of that here in Houston.

I think Schaub will be ready game 1. We will rush him back to make sure we get some early W's against the Fins and Jags. Then we get into a tough stretch.

ChampionTexan
05-10-2012, 10:22 AM
What about the possibility that Keenum plays well enough to earn his way onto the squad?

If I thought that might happen, I would have included it in my comment. Keep in mind that you're dealing with somebody with PS eligibility, and a backup QB who's entering his second season, and his first regular off-season. I think if Beck turns out to be horrible (absolutely possible), Kubiak will look to add another "experienced" QB from wherever he can find them (Other team's cuts, coaxing Delhomme out of retirement, or even bringing back Jeff Garcia).

This doesn't mean I don't think Case could possibly play well in preseason - I think he could play very well. It just means I think it's virtually impossible that he plays well enough to cause another NFL team to want to add him to their 53 man roster. Every team in the NFL already passed on the opportunity to add him to their 90 man roster several times. I just don't see any realistic scenario where he changes that perception during whatever playing time he gets in 4 preseason games.

Rey
05-10-2012, 10:31 AM
This doesn't mean I don't think Case could possibly play well in preseason - I think he could play very well. It just means I think it's virtually impossible that he plays well enough to cause another NFL team to want to add him to their 53 man roster. Every team in the NFL already passed on the opportunity to add him to their 90 man roster several times. I just don't see any realistic scenario where he changes that perception during whatever playing time he gets in 4 preseason games.

I think Case could last on our practice squad, but I'm not going to totally dismiss that fact that he could play well in pre-season and earn his way onto the roster.

That has nothing to do with another team taking him off of our practice squad. If he plays too well to be cut then he plays too well to be cut.

b0ng
05-15-2012, 11:38 AM
Get a haircut dude!

Typical "I can fix him" mentality here. Beck is what he is. Nothing more than our 3rd string QB. I hope he has had alot of practice at holding the clip board. Cause he is gonna be doing alot of that here in Houston.

I think Schaub will be ready game 1. We will rush him back to make sure we get some early W's against the Fins and Jags. Then we get into a tough stretch.

Not that John Beck is some great QB, but I doubt Kubiak is saying "I can fix him" he's probably saying "Yeah he can throw a football at training camp, whoopty doo".

ckhouston
05-15-2012, 11:42 AM
Not that John Beck is some great QB, but I doubt Kubiak is saying "I can fix him" he's probably saying "Yeah he can throw a football at training camp, whoopty doo".

He has also spent time with the Skins, so should know the system. Not a bad fall-back for a third stringer if needed, or even a back-up if Case isn't ready.

b0ng
05-15-2012, 11:44 AM
He has also spent time with the Skins, so should know the system. Not a bad fall-back for a third stringer if needed, or even a back-up if Case isn't ready.

Should, but I think expecting John Beck to be anything more than a camp arm is setting yourself up to be disappointed. There will be more attractive QB's available near the end of pre season.

GP
05-15-2012, 12:14 PM
Typical "I can fix him" mentality here.

Nope.

Not that John Beck is some great QB, but I doubt Kubiak is saying "I can fix him" he's probably saying "Yeah he can throw a football at training camp, whoopty doo".

Yep.

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Beck knows the system, which means Kubiak and coaches can spend time helping Yates and let Beck be there for Keenum. Beck has a snowball's chance in hell of being the Texans QB, though last season taught us that 3rd string QBs might actually be called upon if things get weird in a hurry. The crux of what I am saying is that this comes down to time management by Kubiak & Co.

Look, Beck was not signed to be a project for Kubiak. He did that with David Carr and I'm sure he's not going to try and help Beck become better. All he wants Beck to do is this: Take snaps, run the plays with 2nd and 3rd teamers in OTAs and camp, and be there for a guy like Keenum who needs a spare QB (Beck) to help him learn it quickly.

Yates will be busy running 1st team reps, so he doesn't have time to mentor Keenum nearly as much as Beck will be able to mentor Keenum. Beck's number 1 job, IMO, is to show Keenum the ropes of the offense. Yates doesn't need to worry about investing into Keenum. Yates needs to worry about becoming Schaub's potential replacement for week 1 IF Schaub is not back by then.

I swear to gawd that somebody is going to parse that statement above and use it against me, the part about Schaub maybe not being back by week 1, that I can FEEL it before it even happens. All I mean is that it's poor people/player/time management for Kubiak to expect Keenum to learn 100% under Yates and Kubiak. Yates himself is still learning it, and he might be QB1 in week 1. And so it makes sense for Kubiak and Dennison and other assistants to pour their time and energy into Yates and then use Beck and portions of their own time to invest into Keenum.

Beck is nothing more than Keenum's training wheels. IMO.

Goldensilence
05-15-2012, 12:51 PM
Nope.



Yep.

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Beck knows the system, which means Kubiak and coaches can spend time helping Yates and let Beck be there for Keenum. Beck has a snowball's chance in hell of being the Texans QB, though last season taught us that 3rd string QBs might actually be called upon if things get weird in a hurry. The crux of what I am saying is that this comes down to time management by Kubiak & Co.

Look, Beck was not signed to be a project for Kubiak. He did that with David Carr and I'm sure he's not going to try and help Beck become better. All he wants Beck to do is this: Take snaps, run the plays with 2nd and 3rd teamers in OTAs and camp, and be there for a guy like Keenum who needs a spare QB (Beck) to help him learn it quickly.

Yates will be busy running 1st team reps, so he doesn't have time to mentor Keenum nearly as much as Beck will be able to mentor Keenum. Beck's number 1 job, IMO, is to show Keenum the ropes of the offense. Yates doesn't need to worry about investing into Keenum. Yates needs to worry about becoming Schaub's potential replacement for week 1 IF Schaub is not back by then.

I swear to gawd that somebody is going to parse that statement above and use it against me, the part about Schaub maybe not being back by week 1, that I can FEEL it before it even happens. All I mean is that it's poor people/player/time management for Kubiak to expect Keenum to learn 100% under Yates and Kubiak. Yates himself is still learning it, and he might be QB1 in week 1. And so it makes sense for Kubiak and Dennison and other assistants to pour their time and energy into Yates and then use Beck and portions of their own time to invest into Keenum.

Beck is nothing more than Keenum's training wheels. IMO.

You hate Matt Schaub. :heh:

The Pencil Neck
05-15-2012, 12:51 PM
Beck is nothing more than Keenum's training wheels. IMO.

I agree with most of what you said but I don't quite agree with this.

Beck isn't going to be spending time with Keenum, teaching him the offense. Sure, he'll be able to answer some questions but that's not his real function. His function is to throw the ball to guys like Dwight Jones and hand off to Davin Megget without the coaching staff having to spend time teaching him the plays. They're not going to want some washout from Washington to come here and teach someone the WRONG way to do things.

The coaches will teach Yates and Keenum. Yates will get most of the teaching, Beck will get whatever he needs to basically run the scout team, and Keenum will get the rest of the teaching. If any QB is going to be spending time with Keenum and helping him with nuances of the offense, it's Schaub.

Rey
05-15-2012, 01:32 PM
Should, but I think expecting John Beck to be anything more than a camp arm is setting yourself up to be disappointed. There will be more attractive QB's available near the end of pre season.

If schaub is not ready at the beginning of season, beck is your number two.

Keenum will likely be #3 regardless of what happens.

As far as more attractive qb's being available? Maybe, maybe not.

There are some decent options out there right now.

GP
05-15-2012, 01:39 PM
I agree with most of what you said but I don't quite agree with this.

Beck isn't going to be spending time with Keenum, teaching him the offense. Sure, he'll be able to answer some questions but that's not his real function. His function is to throw the ball to guys like Dwight Jones and hand off to Davin Megget without the coaching staff having to spend time teaching him the plays. They're not going to want some washout from Washington to come here and teach someone the WRONG way to do things.

The coaches will teach Yates and Keenum. Yates will get most of the teaching, Beck will get whatever he needs to basically run the scout team, and Keenum will get the rest of the teaching. If any QB is going to be spending time with Keenum and helping him with nuances of the offense, it's Schaub.

Yes, his primary function is a camp arm to run reps with rookies (maybe) and UDFAs (for sure)...but he will also be a heavier component to Keenum's introduction to the system than Yates will be. It's not that Beck is a master at it, nor a good example of the goal to reach for Keenum, but what I meant is that he knows the terminology and the ins and outs of it.

Kubiak and Co. will definitely spend time with Keenum, but out on the field when the bullets start flying...I would envision Keenum

I think that might be a better way of saying it.

If schaub is not ready at the beginning of season, beck is your number two.

Keenum will likely be #3 regardless of what happens.

I actually think there's a possibility of that...which is why it is CRUCIAL that Keenum gets learned up real fast this summer. REAL fast. In no way do we want Beck as QB2 going into the season.

You hate Matt Schaub. :heh:

LOL. You caught me. Guilty as charged. :jail:

Rey
05-15-2012, 01:50 PM
I actually think there's a possibility of that...which is why it is CRUCIAL that Keenum gets learned up real fast this summer. REAL fast. In no way do we want Beck as QB2 going into the season.

If Yates is #1 going into the season, beck will have to be awful to get surpassed by Keenum. Just based on the past I dont think Keenum gets enough reps to show he is definitely a better option. And that's just not how kubiak rolls. He likes vets in that #2 qb spot.

I think Keenum will probably make the roster, but I think he's number three to start off either way.

If schaub is healthy beck is out (unless he plays really well; unlikely) if schaub is out to start I think beck (or maybe some other vet out there will be number 2).

The Pencil Neck
05-15-2012, 02:57 PM
If Yates is #1 going into the season, beck will have to be awful to get surpassed by Keenum. Just based on the past I dont think Keenum gets enough reps to show he is definitely a better option. And that's just not how kubiak rolls. He likes vets in that #2 qb spot.

I think Keenum will probably make the roster, but I think he's number three to start off either way.

If schaub is healthy beck is out (unless he plays really well; unlikely) if schaub is out to start I think beck (or maybe some other vet out there will be number 2).

Yep. This is exactly what I said a couple of weeks ago except we hadn't signed Beck, yet.

I expect us to sign another vet QB. I expect the real QB battle in Camp to be between those two vets. And if Schaub makes it back, they're both out. If Schaub doesn't make it back, the vet backs up TJ with Case as the #3 guy until Schaub does come back, at which point the Vet is out.

If everything goes the way Smithiak wants it to, I think they want to start the season with Schaub backed up by TJ and Case.

GP
05-15-2012, 03:33 PM
Yep. This is exactly what I said a couple of weeks ago except we hadn't signed Beck, yet.

I expect us to sign another vet QB. I expect the real QB battle in Camp to be between those two vets. And if Schaub makes it back, they're both out. If Schaub doesn't make it back, the vet backs up TJ with Case as the #3 guy until Schaub does come back, at which point the Vet is out.

If everything goes the way Smithiak wants it to, I think they want to start the season with Schaub backed up by TJ and Case.

All of that would be the logical way they go about it.

Now let's see if Kubiak gets cute. Aggies are hard to box in.

GP
05-15-2012, 03:51 PM
Watch us add Donovan McNabb (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7931921/philadelphia-eagles-andy-reid-recommends-lighter-donovan-mcnabb-nfl-teams) as that extra veteran QB. LOL.

He spent at least what, 1 or 2 years in Shanahan's offense in D.C.?

Before people say I'm dumb, just remember that Beck is not exactly a world-beater either. It could happen.

b0ng
05-15-2012, 04:41 PM
If schaub is not ready at the beginning of season, beck is your number two.

Keenum will likely be #3 regardless of what happens.

As far as more attractive qb's being available? Maybe, maybe not.

There are some decent options out there right now.

I think if Schaub is not ready by the begining of the season, they take a hard look at guys who just barely missed out on the final 53 cuts at the end of preseason.

Knowing the system will be important for camp so he can throw properly to the new WR's right out of the box, but as far as keeping him for game day emergency they might look at a more veteran player that didn't make it out of other teams camps.