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Texas_Thrill
05-15-2005, 01:53 AM
I am curious if anyone feels like Morency being 25 and a RB bother anyone? RB's dont last long in the NFL as it is. I know he didn't play ball for quite some time and that he only started for one year but I still have to question how much impact a ROOKIE RB at 25 does for us.

I felt that 3rd rounder could have addressed more pressing needs for us like OL.

texasguy346
05-15-2005, 02:02 AM
I'm not really concerned about his age. One of the easiest positions in the NFL for a rookie to make an instant impact is at RB. I think he'll end up being a great pickup for us, and we'll get to see some of him this upcoming season.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
05-15-2005, 02:09 AM
Morency's age isn't much of an issue since he is still in his mid 20's and in his prime. The amount of carries a back has had is really what counts.

beerlover
05-15-2005, 02:10 AM
its pure conjecture but I would say that Morency taken in the 3rd round in 2005 was a better selection than Hollings in the supplemental draft which in essence was the 1st pick of the 2nd round 2003 :crying:

D-ReK
05-15-2005, 03:13 AM
Honestly, I'm less worried about Morency's age than I would've been if we chose a guy like Benson, who carried the brunt of the load in a run-heavy offense for four seasons...

Huge
05-15-2005, 12:17 PM
At 25, he's about as good as he's going to get. There's very little upside to Morency.

Vinny
05-15-2005, 01:03 PM
So that means most of the players in NFL has reached its player plateau and won't get any better either...including guys like David Carr? I don't think so. I'm not worried one bit about Morency being 25. Most Men don't stop filling out until 25 anyway. He is ready to go right now, and right now is what you are worried about when you take a back.

Lucky
05-15-2005, 06:55 PM
Morency will likely sign a 4 year contract with the Texans. Vernand will be 28 years old by the end of the contract. So the Texans will get his best years at the price of a rookie contract. If we were talking about a 1st round pick with a 6-7 year contract, that's a different story.

ledzeppelin229
05-15-2005, 07:19 PM
At 25, he's about as good as he's going to get. There's very little upside to Morency.

I think your aspect of judgement is a little flawed there. If Morency had played RB this entire time, then I might agree with it. But really he has played about as much as any other college prospect that's come out, because of his involvement in the Dodgers system. I think football experience, and the competition of that experience, has much more to do with a prospects upside than their actual age. He should improve simply by playing against better competition in the NFL.

ArlingtonTexan
05-15-2005, 07:21 PM
What wears down a RB is the amount of punishment not the calender itself. In relative terms, he has little punishment on his body, so he should be fine in the foreseeable future.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
05-15-2005, 08:05 PM
At 25, he's about as good as he's going to get. There's very little upside to Morency.




Does this mean Drew Henson won't get any better either? :whistle:

beerlover
05-15-2005, 09:16 PM
Does this mean Drew Henson won't get any better either? :whistle:

yep :howdy:

blanket moratorium age 25 & up :dangit:

funny it is, that Morency is the pick, the Texans used, via Henson :heh:

TheOgre
05-16-2005, 10:45 AM
There were concerns about Antowain Smith's age when he came out of UH. He is still in the league (with Tennessee last time I looked) and has a couple of Super Bowl rings to boot.

*edit* typo

Blake
05-16-2005, 11:20 AM
RB's dont last long in the NFL as it is.

I think you are thinking about this in the wrong way. He will just have to play longer than the normal quitting age for a runner, which is around 33. But that is the normal age for a player who came into the league at 22, with 10-11 years of wear and tear. At 33, Morency will only have played 8 years in the league. And I think he could play as long as any other.

JMO

Nawzer
05-16-2005, 12:20 PM
I'm not concerned at all about Morency's age. He is 25 years old not 35 years old! He played minor league baseball for the Rockies and that is why he is a 25 year old rookie runningback in the NFL. I think he played for a great program in OSU and he played in a tough Big 12 conference and I think that counts for something. I think Morency will be a fine backup but he might push DD if he's injured too much.

Huge
05-16-2005, 05:06 PM
So that means most of the players in NFL has reached its player plateau and won't get any better either...including guys like David Carr? I don't think so. I'm not worried one bit about Morency being 25. Most Men don't stop filling out until 25 anyway. He is ready to go right now, and right now is what you are worried about when you take a back.
Does this mean Drew Henson won't get any better either?
yep

blanket moratorium age 25 & up

funny it is, that Morency is the pick, the Texans used, via Henson

Comparing 25 year old QBs to 25 year old RBs = apples to oranges.

How many QBs do you know of that come in the league and make an instant impact?
How many RBs do you know of that can do/have done that?

How many QBs get better after they turn 30?
How many RBs get better after they turn 30?

Bottom line, with the RB position, you don't see the same level of improvement with them as you do with any other position. Mostly because they have the ability to come in and dominate from the get go. That's not to say what you see in college is what you get. They do get better. Just not as much as the other players.

So as I said, he's already 25. He's "about" as good as he's going to get.

Blake
05-16-2005, 05:18 PM
So as I said, he's already 25. He's "about" as good as he's going to get.

Priest Holmes was 24 years old before the 5th game of his rookie season.

His age, is not that big of a deal to me.

Dionysus22
05-16-2005, 05:23 PM
Does this mean Drew Henson won't get any better either? :whistle:
Well that's not really a fair assesment. Drew was out of football for those years then tried to come straight into the NFL extremely rusty. Morency was out but did his time in college and now is ready to bust loose. We just happened to land a more mature RB that doesn't have a lot of miles like a Ced Benson but also hasn't been out of football for a few years and is trying to make a comeback. Grant it, I would have rather grabbed a TE or an OL, but Morency is great addition and should push DD to keep his job. Then we'd have a great 1-2 punch with the both. :boxing:


But you're right! drew does blow!!! I'm loving it! :heh:

edo783
05-16-2005, 05:39 PM
Might be a BIT older model, but low miliage.

El Tejano
05-16-2005, 05:46 PM
Well he has alot more promise than any of the other RBs we have on the roster. I believe if they get to share the load, we could be possibly be seeing a remake of Thurman Thomas and Ken Davis, and perhaps this would allow us to close out 4th quarter leads because our running game is fresh all game.

Texas_Thrill
05-16-2005, 06:42 PM
I agree with bottle o bud. For us to go out and believe we were in REAL need for a OL when there were some quality of not starter potential at interior positions is crazy. I dont care how good a RB is unless he is barry sanders he can't run w/o a line.

Brown from UVA was on the board.

We are not at the point where we can draft for depth w/o first addressing some NEEDS and we have them.

Huge
05-16-2005, 07:52 PM
Priest Holmes was 24 years old before the 5th game of his rookie season.

His age, is not that big of a deal to me.

And at 31 years old, Curtis Martin just led the league in rushing.

There are certainly exceptions. And if Morency produces anywhere near those two, I doubt his age will be an issue either. But I won't hold my breath.

texan279
05-16-2005, 09:29 PM
If a player can come in and produce I don't care how old he is.

chuckm
05-16-2005, 09:52 PM
which would you rather have:

older model car with low mileage or
late model car with high mileage

texan279
05-16-2005, 10:12 PM
Older model low mileage...just MO :highfive:

Texas_Thrill
05-16-2005, 10:28 PM
It wont really matter which kind of car you have. We all know its just used to crash into a wall over and over.

A younger player heals quicker we all know that. Not saying he's old just dont think he's the answer for a long-term.

Curtis martin has one of the BEST lines in football which is how at 31 he led the NFL in rushing.

Our line.......????????

chuckm
05-17-2005, 02:02 PM
[QUOTE=Texas_Thrill]A younger player heals quicker we all know that./QUOTE]



isn't he only 25????

MikeMc
05-24-2005, 04:06 PM
Does anyone have the carries total for Benson, both HS & NCAA? Talk about some flat tires...tread wear!

Huge
05-24-2005, 10:32 PM
High school - 8,418 career rushing yards
College - 5,577 career rushing yards

Not sure about the carries (although college would be pretty easy to look up).

Had his production (yards per carry) not increased each year, then I'd say there's evidence of being worn out. But he got better each year as the carries increased.

MikeMc
05-24-2005, 11:58 PM
Well, the point is not that he has gotten better each year, but that he has carried the ball a lot. ANd look at the OL he has had the privilege of playing behind...how does CHI stack up against UT & Midland Lee, relatively speaking?

If he has the holes to run through, then he will be fine...if not...well, it will be a long year.

beerlover
05-25-2005, 04:12 AM
I really don't believe its age per say rather speed or lack thereof that plummeted Vern to the Texans in the 3rd round. is this a component of age it surely could be, he was expected to run a much better time at the combines. But I think this is an example of placing too much emphasis on 40 times and not enough on game footage where he looks alot faster.

Towards the end of the season many people thought he had 1st round talent. He is a poor mans Cedric Benson but put into the proper framework, like the Texans, he will prove to be a viable starting tailback or course he will split time with Dominack but those are good problems to have. I really liked Ryan Moats from Louisiana Tech, now he reminds me almost exactly of Dominack Davis, very compact & tough, he went 4 picks latter to Philly.

Despite all the positives that I could make for Morency the Texans passed on Justin Tuck (he went next #74 to the Giants) that was a big mistake. I understand the Texans are loaded at OLB (Peek was also a 3rd round pick) but Justin has the size, speed & strength to wreck havoc to any offensive line. Some had him rated higher than Erasmus James, not just the 3rd round but any round dont you have to take the BPA at a premium positon when the guy fits your system :shrug:

Vinny
05-25-2005, 08:55 AM
It's documented that he had an injury at the combine. Also, the geezer 24 year olds of the world likely haven't lost any speed yet. If you watch Morency's vids on yahoo he has a running style much like Priest Holmes and Curtis Martin (neither of those guys are speedsters either).

Casserly said Justin Tuck couldn't play linebacker when he was interviewed and asked about him specifically. He said Tuck was a DE in the NFL.

Huge
05-25-2005, 09:15 AM
Well, the point is not that he has gotten better each year, but that he has carried the ball a lot. ANd look at the OL he has had the privilege of playing behind...how does CHI stack up against UT & Midland Lee, relatively speaking?

If he has the holes to run through, then he will be fine...if not...well, it will be a long year.
I think that holds true with just about any RB (having long years w/o good OLs). I would guess Barry Sanders would be an exception but nobody is going to confuse Cedric Benson with Barry Sanders.

Emmitt Smith carried the ball a lot between high school and college. He turned okay. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that the majority of star RBs in the NFL now were probably star RBs in high school as well and probably carried the load for their teams then as well as in college (but to a lesser extent).

I guess it's just the way different people look at it. Some say he could be worn down because of the number of carries. Others could say he's proven he can carry a team and remain durable despite the number of carries.

One of those things that only time will tell I guess.

infantrycak
05-25-2005, 01:29 PM
I really don't believe its age per say rather speed or lack thereof that plummeted Vern to the Texans in the 3rd round. is this a component of age it surely could be, he was expected to run a much better time at the combines. But I think this is an example of placing too much emphasis on 40 times and not enough on game footage where he looks alot faster.

Same thing happened to DD--not saying he was projected 1st round, but he was available when he was in part because of underperforming at the combine. Gil Brandt did a piece before this draft about Boldin and DD falling because of combine 40 times. Maybe the lesson is Casserly looks for folks who run well on tape, but underwhelm on their 40's at the combine.

TexansRockMySocks
05-25-2005, 07:36 PM
The only thing i'd be worried about for a RB would be his speed corresponding with size.

beerlover
05-26-2005, 04:08 AM
Casserly said Justin Tuck couldn't play linebacker when he was interviewed and asked about him specifically. He said Tuck was a DE in the NFL.

thanks for the clarification, at least they considered him. however as has been pointed out on numerous occasions the 3-4 becomes a 4-3 in passing situations not to mention 4th downs & special teams. the Texans could bring in both Travis & Justin on the ends with Smith in the middle dropping down Peek & Babin over the ends. I fail to see why this format could not apply pressure to even the most mobile QB, breaking down protection from numerious angles. all our defensive lineman don't have to weigh-in over 300 lbs. thats what specialists are all about. next year when someone talks about the bpa I'll just shrug my keypad and continue on my thought path :cool: