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Big Lou
05-02-2012, 09:40 AM
Looks like Mario will have a different number this year unless they cut Kelsay. Better watch you back Chris, you shouldn't mess with the Billion Dollar Man!!!


http://theredzone.org/BlogDescription/tabid/61/EntryId/25981/Chris-Kelsay-won-t-give-up-No--90-to-Mario-Williams/Default.aspx

Dutchrudder
05-02-2012, 01:30 PM
http://images.sodahead.com/polls/000987271/nelson_ha_ha_answer_2_xlarge.jpeg

Fili
05-02-2012, 04:39 PM
He's had the number for 10 long years, if I were Mario I wouldn't complain.

SheTexan
05-02-2012, 04:54 PM
Good for him! NO reason why he should!!

paycheck71
05-02-2012, 04:55 PM
Sounds like @bbwolf90 is going to need a new twitter handle

GP
05-03-2012, 12:27 AM
Eat it, Mario.

Eat it cold and with no fork.

Big thumbs up to Mr. Kelsay for standing his ground and making it clear the number is not for sale. Too bad, though, because Mario uses twitter now and I can imagine the sort of things he'll say on twitter now...oh wait, that's only for the hated Texans and not for the new love his life (the Bills). My bad.

WolverineFan
05-03-2012, 12:56 AM
Who seriously cares about this?

Corrosion
05-03-2012, 09:32 AM
Who seriously cares about this?

Right .... Hell , if I had the opportunity to play for an NFL team , they could give me any damn number they want .... -1 ? Ok I'll wear it.

ckhouston
05-03-2012, 10:57 AM
Right .... Hell , if I had the opportunity to play for an NFL team , they could give me any damn number they want .... -1 ? Ok I'll wear it.

exactly

Second Honeymoon
05-03-2012, 11:12 AM
Kelsay shouldnt give up his number. Kelsay is just as good a player as Mario anyway.

**** you, Mario. **** you in your dirty cornhole.

Playoffs
05-03-2012, 11:19 AM
The Bills have no jersey numbers available in the 90s. Can't see MW in a 74.

SheTexan
05-03-2012, 11:23 AM
Kelsay shouldnt give up his number. Kelsay is just as good a player as Mario anyway.

**** you, Mario. **** you in your dirty cornhole.

WELLLLL!! He just might get someone to do just that! IF the Bills signs the wayward VY!!:fingergun: ( I thought of all kind of comebacks, but, I'll be nice to all you VY jock lovers!! ):dancer:

HOU-TEX
05-03-2012, 11:26 AM
Geez people, Mario never even asked for the number. Non story

"I spoke with Mario. I actually brought it up to him, he didn't bring it up to me. He completely understood," Kelsay said. "I've worn it my entire career here. A lot of times in a situation like this, the guy will buy it from you. But I'm not really interested in that."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d828ce43a/article/chris-kelsay-wont-give-up-jersey-number-to-mario-williams

GP
05-03-2012, 12:17 PM
Oh, I knew full well Kelsay approached Mario.

Which makes it even better. Kelsay took command and nipped it in the bud, which makes it so much sweeter. He didn't wait to be asked, he made sure Mario knew what was what. I love it.

TexanSam
05-03-2012, 12:19 PM
Seems to be quite a bit of anti-Mario sentiment here. Damn folks, get over it. We have a great team without him.

Doppelganger
05-03-2012, 12:27 PM
Rather than descend into this, why not get some good press for both guys and the organization? Instead, in exchange for giving up the jersey number, how about buying a family that is in dire straits a home? A $200-$300k house for Mario is chump change and Kelsey can kick in say an additional $10k for food/electricity, etc. How great a story would it be that two buffalo bills are reaching to the community to help the less fortunate?

Maybe the Bills organization can even contribute to help a second family.It be a drop in the bucket expense wise but it would garner a lot of positive press and good community relations. Plus, it be a really good thing to do.

Blake
05-03-2012, 12:41 PM
Rather than descend into this, why not get some good press for both guys and the organization? Instead, in exchange for giving up the jersey number, how about buying a family that is in dire straits a home? A $200-$300k house for Mario is chump change and Kelsey can kick in say an additional $10k for food/electricity, etc. How great a story would it be that two buffalo bills are reaching to the community to help the less fortunate?

Maybe the Bills organization can even contribute to help a second family.It be a drop in the bucket expense wise but it would garner a lot of positive press and good community relations. Plus, it be a really good thing to do.

200-300k house? Daayum sun. I think you can buy multiple "faimlies in need" a house for that money.

He could get just as much positive pub for buying kids xmas gifts for 20K.

welsh texan
05-03-2012, 12:43 PM
Rather than descend into this, why not get some good press for both guys and the organization? Instead, in exchange for giving up the jersey number, how about buying a family that is in dire straits a home? A $200-$300k house for Mario is chump change and Kelsey can kick in say an additional $10k for food/electricity, etc. How great a story would it be that two buffalo bills are reaching to the community to help the less fortunate?

Maybe the Bills organization can even contribute to help a second family.It be a drop in the bucket expense wise but it would garner a lot of positive press and good community relations. Plus, it be a really good thing to do.

Mario is too busy buying cop cars to help out with speed tax income for the gov't to help out families in need. :fingergun:

pbat488
05-03-2012, 12:46 PM
like others have said, too much mario butthurt around here. get over it. if you had the option to earn ~20% more than you were being offered at your current job, you'd probably make the change as well.

also, this is a non-issue. mario's not making a stink as far as I can tell, so who cares?

GP
05-03-2012, 12:53 PM
Rather than descend into this, why not get some good press for both guys and the organization? Instead, in exchange for giving up the jersey number, how about paying the salary of a QB, Vince Young, who is in dire straits for a home? A $200-$300k socially disabled and pass challenged QB for Mario is chump change and Kelsey can kick in say an additional $10k for VY's medication and psychology appointments, etc. How great a story would it be that two buffalo bills are reaching to the unemployed QB community to help the less fortunate players?

Maybe the Bills organization can even contribute to help a second player, such as Reggie Bush? It would be a drop in the bucket expense wise but it would garner a lot of positive press and good community relations. Plus, it be a really good thing to do for two top draft choices who were major busts.

Fixed it for ya'....

GP
05-03-2012, 12:55 PM
Meh. It's posted in the NFL forum, it's news, and he used to be here and he was a jerk on his way out. I think it's fun to jab back the guy.

Had he not been a twerp on his way out, I wouldn't be here doing this schtick right now. But he was a jerk and so I will be a jerk back. Yeah, doesn't solve anything, but it's fun to play the game.

eriadoc
05-03-2012, 12:56 PM
like others have said, too much mario butthurt around here. get over it. if you had the option to earn ~20% more than you were being offered at your current job, you'd probably make the change as well.

also, this is a non-issue. mario's not making a stink as far as I can tell, so who cares?

Seriously. Just goes to show that one fanbase is no better than another.

GP
05-03-2012, 01:06 PM
I love how these types of threads bring out the superior "holier than thou" crowd.

Geez, it's just fun. We're bored as hell...nothing left to talk about except draft grades and speculating about our QB. It's. Just. For. Fun.

Don't suck the fun out of everything.

HoustonFrog
05-03-2012, 01:10 PM
Geez people, Mario never even asked for the number. Non story



http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d828ce43a/article/chris-kelsay-wont-give-up-jersey-number-to-mario-williams

Thanks for pointing this out. I read the story and Mario wasn't even involved. The story was about Kelsay basically and said Mario didn't ask for it or care. Non-story

eriadoc
05-03-2012, 01:27 PM
I love how these types of threads bring out the superior "holier than thou" crowd.

Geez, it's just fun. We're bored as hell...nothing left to talk about except draft grades and speculating about our QB. It's. Just. For. Fun.

Don't suck the fun out of everything.

See, if Mario had actually said or done anything for which to poke at him regarding this story, I'd be fine with it. As it is, you're just manufacturing stuff wholecloth. Using the same quote as posted upthread, but with a different emphasis:

"I spoke with Mario. I actually brought it up to him, he didn't bring it up to me. He completely understood," Kelsay said. "I've worn it my entire career here. A lot of times in a situation like this, the guy will buy it from you. But I'm not really interested in that."

There's no story here. Nothing for which to poke at him, nothing to be upset with him about, and nothing to suggest that he's a bad guy. The entirety of Mario's involvement in this story is that he completely understood.

But hey, off-season .... have fun.

pbat488
05-03-2012, 02:50 PM
I love how these types of threads bring out the superior "holier than thou" crowd.

Geez, it's just fun. We're bored as hell...nothing left to talk about except draft grades and speculating about our QB. It's. Just. For. Fun.

Don't suck the fun out of everything.

I suppose this is pointed at me and some others for saying get over it. but really, i'm not sucking the fun out of anything. this thread wasn't fun at all. it was childish and pointless. mario's not gonna read it, and he didn't do anything to deserve that type of reaction; no matter what he did or didn't accomplish on the field.

you can say it was just for fun, but mostly you just come off as jilted and super sour about something that he did or didn't do, and it's making this forum much less fun for people like me to read.

ps: please don't tell me to ignore posters or skip threads like this. I like to read what people have to write even if their views don't mesh with mine. this thread just doesn't fit that criteria. it's petty and pointless to act like that.

Rey
05-03-2012, 02:52 PM
I love it.

Every thread becomes a debate....:)

I guess it's just that time of the year.

False Start
05-03-2012, 05:37 PM
Right .... Hell , if I had the opportunity to play for an NFL team , they could give me any damn number they want .... -1 ? Ok I'll wear it.

I would definitely buy your jersey, and wear it with pride. :littlelol:

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii202/J4103V/cor-1.jpg

Texecutioner
05-03-2012, 05:44 PM
Seems like everyone on this site hates Mario now, but a lot of the same folks argued on and on about how important he was for us and what a dominant player he was on this team, and how we had to have him back. He signs somewhere else, and he is talked about like he is a bum. I find that to be pretty funny.

Sorry, but I never liked Mario much to begin with and always called him overrated. Seems a bit fraud to read this garbage from people who repped the guy over and over and bashed other posters who criticized his play up until the minute they heard he wasn't going to re-sign here. A bunch of flip flopping fans.

Corrosion
05-03-2012, 05:45 PM
I would definitely buy your jersey, and wear it with pride. :littlelol:

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii202/J4103V/cor-1.jpg

Thanks a new avatar ! :spit:

IBleedTexans
05-03-2012, 06:07 PM
Seems like everyone on this site hates Mario now, but a lot of the same folks argued on and on about how important he was for us and what a dominant player he was on this team, and how we had to have him back. He signs somewhere else, and he is talked about like he is a bum. I find that to be pretty funny.

Sorry, but I never liked Mario much to begin with and always called him overrated. Seems a bit fraud to read this garbage from people who repped the guy over and over and bashed other posters who criticized his play up until the minute they heard he wasn't going to re-sign here. A bunch of flip flopping fans.
It is funny , no reason to be bitter . Man got a better paying job, and that's probably what 90 % of the posters on here would do if they found one too. Get off his back ! I still love me some Mario !!!!!




Just not when he's playing my Texans!TOE
Texans over everything

False Start
05-03-2012, 06:31 PM
Thanks a new avatar ! :spit:

:tiphat:

Corrosion
05-03-2012, 06:37 PM
:tiphat:

..... MSR. Seems like thats the usual.


Damn , now I gotta get myself a jersey with this on it , maybe not , some of you might shoot at me.

IBleedTexans
05-03-2012, 06:55 PM
..... MSR. Seems like thats the usual.


Damn , now I gotta get myself a jersey with this on it , maybe not , some of you might shoot at me.

Anyone who can't take someone else's opinion should not be on the board. You got a Lil annoying with the neg rep , but I wouldn't shoot you for it..... Now kick your ass is a different story....... lol J/k

Second Honeymoon
05-04-2012, 09:44 AM
Seems like everyone on this site hates Mario now, but a lot of the same folks argued on and on about how important he was for us and what a dominant player he was on this team, and how we had to have him back. He signs somewhere else, and he is talked about like he is a bum. I find that to be pretty funny.

Sorry, but I never liked Mario much to begin with and always called him overrated. Seems a bit fraud to read this garbage from people who repped the guy over and over and bashed other posters who criticized his play up until the minute they heard he wasn't going to re-sign here. A bunch of flip flopping fans.

I have never been a Mario guy. He was an average to above average DE, but he was never as good as billed or hyped. Bush hasn't exactly lit the NFL on fire, but he has helped his teams win more games than Mario helped the Texans win. Geez, even Vince helped his team win more games in his first year than Mario has his entire career. That being said, Vince has **** the bed ever since that first year pretty much but still has made more plays than Mario in that one year than Mario has his entire year.

Mario is an athlete that happens to play football. He doesn't love the game and is a piss poor competitor and piss poor professional. **** you Mario.

When he chose Buffalo over New England it told me all I needed to know about Mario and frankly confirmed everything I had suspected about him.

paycheck71
05-04-2012, 09:56 AM
Seems like everyone on this site hates Mario now, but a lot of the same folks argued on and on about how important he was for us and what a dominant player he was on this team, and how we had to have him back. He signs somewhere else, and he is talked about like he is a bum. I find that to be pretty funny.

Sorry, but I never liked Mario much to begin with and always called him overrated. Seems a bit fraud to read this garbage from people who repped the guy over and over and bashed other posters who criticized his play up until the minute they heard he wasn't going to re-sign here. A bunch of flip flopping fans.

He was a Texan then, he's playing for somebody else now... Times change. I wouldn't call it hate. He's just a guy on a team we have to play this season.

TimeKiller
05-04-2012, 10:44 AM
Oh come on now. We all know the only number Mario cares about is on his contract.

infantrycak
05-04-2012, 12:14 PM
I have never been a Mario guy. He was an average to above average DE, but he was never as good as billed or hyped. Bush hasn't exactly lit the NFL on fire, but he has helped his teams win more games than Mario helped the Texans win. Geez, even Vince helped his team win more games in his first year than Mario has his entire career. That being said, Vince has **** the bed ever since that first year pretty much but still has made more plays than Mario in that one year than Mario has his entire year.

The NFL, i.e. the professionals, disagrees with your assessment.

HOU-TEX
05-04-2012, 12:20 PM
I have never been a Mario guy. He was an average to above average DE, but he was never as good as billed or hyped. Bush hasn't exactly lit the NFL on fire, but he has helped his teams win more games than Mario helped the Texans win. Geez, even Vince helped his team win more games in his first year than Mario has his entire career. That being said, Vince has **** the bed ever since that first year pretty much but still has made more plays than Mario in that one year than Mario has his entire year.

Mario is an athlete that happens to play football. He doesn't love the game and is a piss poor competitor and piss poor professional. **** you Mario.

When he chose Buffalo over New England it told me all I needed to know about Mario and frankly confirmed everything I had suspected about him.

The logic used in this post is just wrong, period. BUT, I don't think we've ever agreed on much so all is good

2012Champs
05-04-2012, 12:52 PM
I have never been a Mario guy. He was an average to above average DE, but he was never as good as billed or hyped. Bush hasn't exactly lit the NFL on fire, but he has helped his teams win more games than Mario helped the Texans win. Geez, even Vince helped his team win more games in his first year than Mario has his entire career. That being said, Vince has **** the bed ever since that first year pretty much but still has made more plays than Mario in that one year than Mario has his entire year.

Mario is an athlete that happens to play football. He doesn't love the game and is a piss poor competitor and piss poor professional. **** you Mario.

When he chose Buffalo over New England it told me all I needed to know about Mario and frankly confirmed everything I had suspected about him.




looks like someone is upset:aggressive:

Double Barrel
05-04-2012, 04:27 PM
When he chose Buffalo over New England it told me all I needed to know about Mario...

Oh come on now. We all know the only number Mario cares about is on his contract.

yep.

I do not have any animosity toward the player. I'm apathetic and indifferent about him.

That being said, he's not the second-coming of Bruce Smith, and the haters will be rejoicing when Bills fans realize this and turn on him as a result.

Mario will probably not care because he's been paid. Then he will have fun stuff to say about that little corner of paradise they call Buffalo.

drs23
05-04-2012, 06:45 PM
yep.

I do not have any animosity toward the player. I'm apathetic and indifferent about him.

That being said, he's not the second-coming of Bruce Smith, and the haters will be rejoicing when Bills fans realize this and turn on him as a result.

Mario will probably not care because he's been paid. Then he will have fun stuff to say about that little corner of paradise they call Buffalo.

With a two year 'no injury clause' guaranteed contract on top of that. Mario's agent did a damn fine job for him I think. In regard of the money, isn't that what ALL the players are there for.

I'm not throwing rocks at Mario and hope he does well but I think his injury record precedes him. Will be an interesting season. Can't wait till they come to Reliant. I'm not a season ticket holder so I prolly won't be able to be there as I see those tickets upselling big time!

GP
05-05-2012, 04:10 PM
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GP
05-05-2012, 04:18 PM
I suppose this is pointed at me and some others for saying get over it. but really, i'm not sucking the fun out of anything. this thread wasn't fun at all. it was childish and pointless. mario's not gonna read it, and he didn't do anything to deserve that type of reaction; no matter what he did or didn't accomplish on the field.

you can say it was just for fun, but mostly you just come off as jilted and super sour about something that he did or didn't do, and it's making this forum much less fun for people like me to read.

ps: please don't tell me to ignore posters or skip threads like this. I like to read what people have to write even if their views don't mesh with mine. this thread just doesn't fit that criteria. it's petty and pointless to act like that.

I posted what I posted because I don't like the way Mario ragged on the Texans, and on fellow Texans fans. I sort of get angry like that, and I don't forget it. I didn't forget it when Carr did it when he landed in Carolina and talked trash on us. I didn't care for it when Dunta did it. I didn't care for it when Mario did it. DeMeco, on the other hand, played very nice and I applauded him for going out on a good note with us Texans fans. Haven't heard Brisiel saying negative stuff about us, either. Even Winston was measuring his words. These guys were a part of us, but you get a sense of just how "with us" they were by their actions and words when they leave us.

As to why I think this IS a news story, and why I am entitled to have MY opinion on it, read below (that is, unless I am still ruining your message board experience):

Kelsay approached Mario because he knew Mario, at some point, was going to ask about #90. It's what players like Mario do when they re-locate--They ask for the number and they buy it off it's current owner. Especially the league's richest player, Mario Williams. So Kelsay got out in front of it and told Mario there's now way he would vacate the #90.

Do I enjoy that? Hell yes I enjoy it. Take your lecturing and go find someone who cares. And to any of the mods, I don't go pick fights with fellow members but when they pick a fight with me, I don't go crawling under a rock and hiding from it.

Do you want to discuss the topic or do you want to lecture me some more?

GP
05-05-2012, 04:24 PM
See, if Mario had actually said or done anything for which to poke at him regarding this story, I'd be fine with it. As it is, you're just manufacturing stuff wholecloth. Using the same quote as posted upthread, but with a different emphasis:



There's no story here. Nothing for which to poke at him, nothing to be upset with him about, and nothing to suggest that he's a bad guy. The entirety of Mario's involvement in this story is that he completely understood.

But hey, off-season .... have fun.

You know why Mario understood? Because a REAL leader, Kelsay, showed Mario he wasn't going to bow down to him. Plus, what is Mario going to do...tweet bad stuff about his new teammate in Buffalo? No, he only tweets stuff when he leaves the team and doesn't have to live with them anymore.

Mario is a tough talker when he knows he won't have to pay for his shenanigans. He's smart enough to know which group he can rag on and which group he better play nice with.

I'm actually glad that a player stood up for himself and didn't sell out to the new kid on the block. That IS a news story, IMO, because usually the big man on campus gets his way when he shows up and starts requesting his jersey number. It's how it historically goes down...except THIS time, and I l-o-v-e it. LOVE it.

Wolf
05-05-2012, 05:03 PM
he still doesn't have a number

looking at their roster
numbers 90-99 are taken

number 50-59 are taken except
53 and 54

including Mario, they have 20 players without numbers right now(5 are DE/LB)

http://www.buffalobills.com/team/roster.html


with that said, I don't know when the last update was done on their page
they are showing 98 players on their roster
on a side note I also didn't know they had Mark Anderson either

I imagine money talks if Mario really wanted that jersey number

pbat488
05-05-2012, 05:42 PM
daaaaamn GP, you are mad bro. neg rep for being a sensitive sally lol? also, i'm not a loser :(. but c'mon man, don't get your feelings hurt so easily.

as for the topic at hand, this is a non-story, which is why it was pointless in the first place.

oh well, offseason plus hot equals ornery people, myself included. apologize for de-railing this thread.

Dutchrudder
05-05-2012, 11:42 PM
Kelsay shouldnt give up his number. Kelsay is just as good a player as Mario anyway.

**** you, Mario. **** you in your dirty cornhole.

Yeah man, that 2 down linebacker is just as good as the all-pro DE Mario!

:rolleyes:

Corrosion
05-06-2012, 10:32 AM
Yeah man, that 2 down linebacker is just as good as the all-pro DE Mario!

:rolleyes:

Quit badmouthin Demeco ....:kitten:

eriadoc
05-06-2012, 10:36 AM
You know why Mario understood? Because a REAL leader, Kelsay, showed Mario he wasn't going to bow down to him. Plus, what is Mario going to do...tweet bad stuff about his new teammate in Buffalo? No, he only tweets stuff when he leaves the team and doesn't have to live with them anymore.

Mario is a tough talker when he knows he won't have to pay for his shenanigans. He's smart enough to know which group he can rag on and which group he better play nice with.

I'm actually glad that a player stood up for himself and didn't sell out to the new kid on the block. That IS a news story, IMO, because usually the big man on campus gets his way when he shows up and starts requesting his jersey number. It's how it historically goes down...except THIS time, and I l-o-v-e it. LOVE it.

LOL man ... you are WAY out there on a lot of stuff. You have fun with that, though. Go get your psych degree or something, so you can really have fun with it.

Section516
05-22-2012, 11:29 AM
For those that care, MW chose #94.

GP
05-22-2012, 05:07 PM
daaaaamn GP, you are mad bro. neg rep for being a sensitive sally lol? also, i'm not a loser :(. but c'mon man, don't get your feelings hurt so easily.

as for the topic at hand, this is a non-story, which is why it was pointless in the first place.

oh well, offseason plus hot equals ornery people, myself included. apologize for de-railing this thread.

Do you understand what is happening? It's NOT a non-story. Players routinely get their number, but Mario not only DIDN'T get his own number back...the guy wearing it flat out approached Mario and told him to not even ask for it.

So, uhh, yeah...for the 1,000th time: It's pretty awesome. It just happens that the one guy who had the trend bucked was Mario Williams. LOL. Apparently, not everyone in the NFL is impressed by Mario's hero status. And I find that to be delicious.

You don't seem to care, and so you're approach is to rag me for it. I think you got some stink on your hands while trying to clean up GP. :(

GP
05-22-2012, 05:07 PM
For those that care, MW chose #94.

That's appropriate. I think he needs to aspire to have Antonio Smith's approach to every snap in an NFL game.

GP
05-22-2012, 05:12 PM
LOL man ... you are WAY out there on a lot of stuff. You have fun with that, though. Go get your psych degree or something, so you can really have fun with it.

I get animated when it comes to people like Mario Williams. As a Texans fan, when he left and pretty much burned all bridges on his way out, I find it to be most awesome that Maria Williams not only didn't get his precious #90...he had the guy who wears #90 tell him "Don't even bother asking for it."

And Maria said "OK." LOL, that's the stuff of awesomeness for me. For the new billionaire Bill to be told to put his hand down and accept an answer of "No" even before being asked for the jersey number. I still chuckle when I think about it.

:texans:

Texecutioner
05-22-2012, 06:51 PM
He was a Texan then, he's playing for somebody else now... Times change. I wouldn't call it hate. He's just a guy on a team we have to play this season.

THis is the exact type of BS I'm talking about. Support the guy and act like he is a total bad ass as long as he is here. Argue that he needs to be resigned to where the organization spends all of this money on him and everything, but the minute that it does not happen, than all of a sudden the guy is a jerk, he was overrated, and Buffalo will now have them a horrible signing, and every other previous argument for the guy goes right out the window just like that.

That is not logical, it's not honest, and it damn sure isn't objective. It's just a run of the mill flip flop depending on which direction the wind blows. That's exactly why I refer to a lot of fans on here as homers, because they don't have any real opinions that they stand by. They just spout out whatever seems to be the popular opinion at the time.

gary
05-22-2012, 10:15 PM
THis is the exact type of BS I'm talking about. Support the guy and act like he is a total bad ass as long as he is here. Argue that he needs to be resigned to where the organization spends all of this money on him and everything, but the minute that it does not happen, than all of a sudden the guy is a jerk, he was overrated, and Buffalo will now have them a horrible signing, and every other previous argument for the guy goes right out the window just like that.

That is not logical, it's not honest, and it damn sure isn't objective. It's just a run of the mill flip flop depending on which direction the wind blows. That's exactly why I refer to a lot of fans on here as homers, because they don't have any real opinions that they stand by. They just spout out whatever seems to be the popular opinion at the time.
Amen.

eriadoc
05-23-2012, 09:37 AM
I get animated when it comes to people like Mario Williams. As a Texans fan, when he left and pretty much burned all bridges on his way out ...

How did he burn bridges? Did he say something about your Mom that I missed or something?

... I find it to be most awesome that Maria Williams not only didn't get his precious #90...

Precious? Where do you get the idea that it was precious? From the article, I got the impression that it wasn't that big a deal to Mario. He just kind of shrugged and said that's cool. You got some special psychological insight into this?

infantrycak
05-23-2012, 02:01 PM
Precious? Where do you get the idea that it was precious? From the article, I got the impression that it wasn't that big a deal to Mario. He just kind of shrugged and said that's cool. You got some special psychological insight into this?

Seriously? - you have been around here too long for this question. GP looks at something consults his ouiji board, looks into his crystal ball, murders a chicken to consult its entrails, shakes his magic 8 ball, plays solitaire with his tarot cards and then spews forth eight paragraphs of his divination of the intentions of others. That's his gig.

Section516
05-23-2012, 02:08 PM
How did he burn bridges? Did he say something about your Mom that I missed or something?



Precious? Where do you get the idea that it was precious? From the article, I got the impression that it wasn't that big a deal to Mario. He just kind of shrugged and said that's cool. You got some special psychological insight into this?

No offense intended to GP, but he is our resident tin foil hat guy. Man has an imagination. Interesting to read though.

HJam72
05-23-2012, 09:45 PM
Williams only impressed me a few times really while in Houston, despite getting paid all too well and presumed to be a hero, and I do find it humorous that somebody told him to forget about getting his number. I think there is some truth to the idea that he takes plays off (although it's not the main problem, I think) and his quickness off the ball is just not good enough for a 4-3, weak-side rusher.

To give him credit though, he basically shuts down the run on his side of the field, but that's not what a weak-side DE is really for and he was overpaid to be something he just is not (most of the time), which is a weak-side, 4-3 get-to-the-QB-in-a-hurry DE. Far as the 3-4 OLB thing, I think he was headed to be impressive, but so are guys without all the hype (and price-tag)...

GP
05-24-2012, 01:03 AM
What's awesome is that at the end of the day, I'm not trying to win a popularity contest. A lot of people go along with certain others on here JUST to boot lick and sort of co-sign for the sake of feeling like they're on the winning team.

I don't know what's so "tin foil hat" about this whole jersey number business. Let's re-cap:

1. Superstar players usually request their number when they land with a new team. Oh, and so the jersey is "sold" but the money usually goes to a kid's foundation or some do-goodie thing like that. Build someone a home. Send someone to college. Etc.

2. Kelsay? Yeah, he sort of took a proactive strategy by telling Mario. TOLD him. Said, "Look, just want to let you know that this is my number and I've worn it for eons here and stuff...so, uh, the number is not up for grabs. :lol:

3. Mario goes along with it. :lion:

Now, tell me where I'm being tin foil hat here...

Someone find me the last time a guy refused AND even went to the length of approaching the guy beforehand to tell him it's not an option. Add to this that he went off to be the toast of Hot Wing City :chili:, made his digs on the Texans in the process, and it's just lip smacking GOOD.

:bravo:

I guess I don't see the conspiracy angle here. :shoot:

GP
05-24-2012, 01:10 AM
You got some special psychological insight into this?

Why does everything have to revolve around a psyche degree??? LOL.

His twitter handle contains 90. He was 90 in college. He was 90 in Houston.

Now he's 94. Gonna' have to get a new twitter handle. :shrugs: Rich Man Problems, I suppose.

I'm consistent. DeMeco has been a gentleman and a scholar, which I expected of him. I expected Mario to be a twirp when he left, and whaddya' know...he was. Dunta was too. Ditto for Carr.

Winston, Brisiel, Dreessen, Allen, DeMeco...you won't see me digging on those guys like I am Mario. Look, I just love the Texans. A lot. For me, it's cathartic to relish the little things that happen to a guy like Mario. Maybe the thing with Kelsay brought him back down to earth for a second, as in "Earth to Mario: You got paid, that's great and all, but you're not the only guy who matters."

Meh. It's football. We root FOR and we root AGAINST. And those who root against MY team??? Off with their heads! It's just good old fashioned sports rhetoric. At the end of the day, dude is rich and I'm not. Dude is an NFL player and I'm not. I'm JAF: Just A Fan. I heckle, I cheer, I support, I jeer. Etc.

Sue me.

Rey
05-25-2012, 12:08 AM
Why does everything have to revolve around a psyche degree??? LOL.

His twitter handle contains 90. He was 90 in college. He was 90 in Houston.

Now he's 94. Gonna' have to get a new twitter handle. :shrugs: Rich Man Problems, I suppose.

I'm consistent. DeMeco has been a gentleman and a scholar, which I expected of him. I expected Mario to be a twirp when he left, and whaddya' know...he was. Dunta was too. Ditto for Carr.

Winston, Brisiel, Dreessen, Allen, DeMeco...you won't see me digging on those guys like I am Mario. Look, I just love the Texans. A lot. For me, it's cathartic to relish the little things that happen to a guy like Mario. Maybe the thing with Kelsay brought him back down to earth for a second, as in "Earth to Mario: You got paid, that's great and all, but you're not the only guy who matters."

Meh. It's football. We root FOR and we root AGAINST. And those who root against MY team??? Off with their heads! It's just good old fashioned sports rhetoric. At the end of the day, dude is rich and I'm not. Dude is an NFL player and I'm not. I'm JAF: Just A Fan. I heckle, I cheer, I support, I jeer. Etc.

Sue me.

He was number 9 in college.

GP
05-25-2012, 12:20 AM
He was number 9 in college.

I think the point has been made: Mario was a jerk on his way out, acting like an ass on twitter and making veiled swipes at the Texans in his media interviews, and I'm glad he got a bit of humble pie from Kelsay.

Doesn't really count for anything, just nice to know that somebody told him--in a way--to stand down and fall into line.

Rey
05-25-2012, 12:39 AM
I think the point has been made: Mario was a jerk on his way out, acting like an ass on twitter and making veiled swipes at the Texans in his media interviews, and I'm glad he got a bit of humble pie from Kelsay.

Doesn't really count for anything, just nice to know that somebody told him--in a way--to stand down and fall into line.

Really I couldn't care less about any of this stuff, but Mario is a very rich man at the end of the day. If he is in it for the money like , have claimed you really think he cares about a jersey number?

Even if he's not in it for the money. Choose another jersey and move on. Doesn't really seem like that big of a deal.

Lots of players switch jersey numbers on their career. Hell Mario will probably be on the team longer than Kelsay and he could just get the number when he leaves if he even wants to do that.

GP
05-25-2012, 12:55 AM
Really I couldn't care less about any of this stuff, but Mario is a very rich man at the end of the day. If he is in it for the money like , have claimed you really think he cares about a jersey number?

Even if he's not in it for the money. Choose another jersey and move on. Doesn't really seem like that big of a deal.

Lots of players switch jersey numbers on their career. Hell Mario will probably be on the team longer than Kelsay and he could just get the number when he leaves if he even wants to do that.

I have pie-in-the-sky ideals when it comes to football. I like to think that the guys I root for...they're hungry for the glory as much (or more) as they are for the pay.

We sense that with Cushing. Sense it with Watt. Sense it with Antonio Smith. I think Rick Smith learned from Mario and Amobi that talent alone is not going to get the job done. They have learned it from Jacoby too. They've moved on from that mentality...they're focusing in on Brian Cushing type players.

Brian Cushing marked the beginning of the end for the Mario Williams and Amobi Okoyes of the Texans roster. Travis Johnsons, Dunta Robinsons, anybody who they felt was not focusing on football like they should be.

You can see it in the picks: Cushing, Watt, and even the FA acquisition of Antonio Smith. Shaun Cody. Taking a pass on Glenn Coffee in the draft (whew!). The release of Winston. Adding guys like Crick despite his injuries. Choosing to take fliers on UDFAs rather than wasting picks on those types of "gamble picks." Their screening process has changed.

So you're probably right: Ultimately, it probably DIDN'T matter that much for Mario...whether he got #90 or not. Which, IMO, is the ultimate indictment of the guy. Your number is you. #99 here, Mr. JJ Watt, I bet he has a mind to make sure that people see a #99 jersey and know that's the number of Watt. The jersey is an extension of who you are with a team, with the league, and it's why players fuel their fire when they get let go from a team...they thought they WERE a part of that team. But they aren't anymore.

The jersey aspect I speak of, it's an innate part of the game's fabric. IMO.

No big deal, though, just my two cents on it.

Rey
05-25-2012, 09:39 AM
So you're probably right: Ultimately, it probably DIDN'T matter that much for Mario...whether he got #90 or not. Which, IMO, is the ultimate indictment of the guy. Your number is you. #99 here, Mr. JJ Watt, I bet he has a mind to make sure that people see a #99 jersey and know that's the number of Watt. The jersey is an extension of who you are with a team, with the league, and it's why players fuel their fire when they get let go from a team...they thought they WERE a part of that team. But they aren't anymore.

The jersey aspect I speak of, it's an innate part of the game's fabric. IMO.

No big deal, though, just my two cents on it.

You are right about Jersey numbers for the most part....

But I think when you have to change, you just make due with it the best way you can.
When I played in middle school through high school my number was 77.....

When I got to college there was a senior with the number already. I ended up taking #67 since it was the closest to what I wanted. As soon as that senior left though I claimed my number back...I just didn't feel like me wearing that other number...

So yeah...you are correct...

Double Barrel
05-25-2012, 10:21 AM
He was number 9 in college.

lol! yeah, uh...same thing! :kitten:

So you're probably right: Ultimately, it probably DIDN'T matter that much for Mario...whether he got #90 or not.

Wait a minute...are you boot-licking to win a popularity contest now? :hmmm:



j/k with ya', man :neener:

Allstar
05-27-2012, 12:35 PM
http://distilleryimage10.instagram.com/cc20432aa81511e1abd612313810100a_7.jpg

PapaL
05-27-2012, 10:16 PM
I figured he would've taken 99.

GP
05-30-2012, 02:44 PM
http://distilleryimage10.instagram.com/cc20432aa81511e1abd612313810100a_7.jpg

Those Bills have #100 on them. I wonder if Mario wanted them to say #90 instead?

Norg
05-30-2012, 03:45 PM
i wonder if Travis Jackson is still playing in the NFL ???? :P

pbat488
06-04-2012, 03:43 PM
THis is the exact type of BS I'm talking about. Support the guy and act like he is a total bad ass as long as he is here. Argue that he needs to be resigned to where the organization spends all of this money on him and everything, but the minute that it does not happen, than all of a sudden the guy is a jerk, he was overrated, and Buffalo will now have them a horrible signing, and every other previous argument for the guy goes right out the window just like that.

That is not logical, it's not honest, and it damn sure isn't objective. It's just a run of the mill flip flop depending on which direction the wind blows. That's exactly why I refer to a lot of fans on here as homers, because they don't have any real opinions that they stand by. They just spout out whatever seems to be the popular opinion at the time.

good post.