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CloakNNNdagger
05-01-2012, 03:50 PM
Texans get Bs, Cs in 2012 draft gradesPosted by Nick Scurfield on April 30, 2012

The Texans’ 2012 draft class was mildly well-received by media pundits, several of whom have graded the draft for all 32 NFL teams over the last couple of days.

It’s impossible to truly evaluate a draft class until a few seasons have passed (2006, anyone?), but that doesn’t stop people from posting draft grades anyway. And as long as they’re out there, we feel obligated to pass them along. Without further ado:

Houston Chronicle (John McClain): B
Analysis: “GM Rick Smith took a chance by trading out of the second round before getting [DeVier] Posey, suspended for 10 games last season, and Brooks, who wasn’t invited to the combine. [Ben] Jones was ranked second at center. [Jared] Crick was an excellent pick. [Randy] Bullock is first kicker drafted in team history.”

[B]ESPN.com (Mel Kiper): B
Analysis: “I had Whitney Mercilus as a good fit at defensive end as high as No. 19 with the Bears, so he’s a pretty good value at No. 26. He isn’t Mario Williams, but the defense made a huge leap in 2011, and the Texans clearly want to make sure Wade Phillips has the tools he needs. He’s not a great value at No. 68 overall, but I’m intrigued by the DeVier Posey pick. He had to sit out so many games last year I don’t think scouts saw enough of him. He has really good hands, can create some matchup problems, and might be a little underrated in his ability to stretch the field. I also really like Keshawn Martin. He creates space and should stick with this team. Ben Jones and Brandon Brooks help the interior of that offensive line. I was surprised the Texans didn’t get a linebacker. At one time I saw Jared Crick as a second-rounder. If he regains form, that’s a good value in the fourth.”

NFL.com (Michael Lombardi): B
Analysis: “I always believe when you can strengthen a strength – and I think that’s the 49ers’ greatest testimony when they drafted Aldon Smith last year; it was a part of a strength – this year the Houston Texans can come off the edge. Whitney Mercilus can do that. I think that was outstanding. Brandon Brooks gives them another inside, strong player. I gave them a B. I like it.”

Sporting News (Vinnie Iyer): B
Analysis: “Key picks: OLB/DE Whitney Mercilus, WR DeVier Posey, DT Jared Crick. Following up the J.J. Watt-Brooks Reed combination, Wade Phillips should feel very good how his elite 3-4 just reloaded, again.”

FOXSports.com (John Czarnecki): B-
Analysis: “Houston has consistently selected defensive players in the first round, and didn’t disappoint its fans with Illinois pass rusher Whitney Mercilus, who had 16 sacks last season. Some teams pegged Mercilus as a one-year wonder, but he suits what defensive coordinator Wade Phillips loves to do. … Nebraska defensive tackle Jared Crick was another gem with the 126th overall pick. … Apparently, the Texans want to cut Jacoby Jones loose based on taking two more receivers in Ohio State’s DeVier Posey and Michigan State’s Keshawn Martin, who’s not afraid to go over the middle. Martin has 4.46 speed and figures to be a plus in the return game as well.”

SportsIllustrated.com: C+
Analysis: “There was the good — Whitney Mercilus gives Houston another excellent pass-rusher after Mario Williams’ departure — and the very good — G Brandon Brooks (76) and DE/DT Jared Crick (126) could both be huge for the Texans. There was also a complete meltdown at wide receiver with red flag-heavy DeVier Posey (68) and inconsistent Keshawn Martin (121).”

Yahoo! (Jason Cole): C
Analysis: “There’s nothing wrong with the [Whitney] Mercilus pick, but I keep coming back to the idea that if the Texans needed a pass rusher, why didn’t they just spend the money and keep Mario Williams? That would have freed the team to use its first-round pick on another need or do something more creative. Williams was expensive, but there are times in the building of a team that you spend big to get big results. The Texans are finally at the point of making a big run and they made a move that screamed of remaining middle of the pack. [DeVier] Posey is an intriguing athlete with return ability and Brooks and [Ben] Jones could be starters in fairly short order if the team wants to push them.”

[B]CBS Sports (Rob Rang): C
Analysis: “With a talented group of linebackers already in the fold, it was a surprise to some that the Texans elected to add another pass rusher in Illinois’ Whitney Mercilus in the first round but considering his production and upside, he may have been simply too good to ignore at No. 26. Some veteran talent evaluators thought he was limited to remaining as a 4-3 defensive end. Frankly, this wasn’t Houston’s only head-scratcher. There were better receivers still on the board for the Texans when they instead selected Devier Posey and Keshawn Martin in the second and fourth rounds, respectively. On the other hand, the Texans may wind up with steals in guard Brandon Brooks in the third and versatile, high-effort defensive lineman Jared Crick in the fourth.”

Dutchrudder
05-01-2012, 03:55 PM
Yahoo! (Jason Cole): C
Analysis: “There’s nothing wrong with the [Whitney] Mercilus pick, but I keep coming back to the idea that if the Texans needed a pass rusher, why didn’t they just spend the money and keep Mario Williams?That would have freed the team to use its first-round pick on another need or do something more creative. Williams was expensive, but there are times in the building of a team that you spend big to get big results. The Texans are finally at the point of making a big run and they made a move that screamed of remaining middle of the pack. [DeVier] Posey is an intriguing athlete with return ability and [Brandon] Brooks and [Ben] Jones could be starters in fairly short order if the team wants to push them.”

Cause salary cap. Even if we don't sign Myers, we couldn't afford to offer more than 7-8 million this year. Would have had to give Foster the RFA tender, and hope he doesn't get signed elsewhere. Then offer all that extra money to Mario this year and more down the road. I'm sure the Texans would love to have Mario back, but he wasn't worth the cost. Foster+Myers > Mario

Quick II Draw
05-01-2012, 04:02 PM
You can go ahead and discount all credibility when the guy says, "why didn't they just re-sign mario?"

Corrosion
05-01-2012, 04:05 PM
Cause salary cap. Even if we don't sign Myers, we couldn't afford to offer more than 7-8 million this year. Would have had to give Foster the RFA tender, and hope he doesn't get signed elsewhere. Then offer all that extra money to Mario this year and more down the road. I'm sure the Texans would love to have Mario back, but he wasn't worth the cost. Foster+Myers > Mario

Cole must think this is Madden .....

DownByContact
05-01-2012, 04:08 PM
Well if we actually did re-sign Mario, we would need to use our first on a center or RB, since we could have lost foster and/or myers. So his logic of freeing up the first round pick for another need becomes pointless.

Playoffs
05-01-2012, 04:28 PM
These are the grades you want.

If you're not in the top 3 picks & you're getting A's from the likes of Kiper et al, you didn't do your own work and you drafted some busts.

Drafting is one thing, but coaching them up & putting them in position to succeed counts for a lot. You just hope you got guys who will put in the constant work necessary, putting that over everything else.

cdollaz
05-01-2012, 04:50 PM
Same as it ever was.

cdollaz
05-01-2012, 04:52 PM
Yahoo Sports proves once again that they should not be taken seriously.

SAMURAITEXAN
05-01-2012, 05:10 PM
CBS Sports (Rob Rang): C
Analysis: “With a talented group of linebackers already in the fold, it was a surprise to some that the Texans elected to add another pass rusher in Illinois’ Whitney Mercilus in the first round but considering his production and upside, he may have been simply too good to ignore at No. 26. Some veteran talent evaluators thought he was limited to remaining as a 4-3 defensive end. Frankly, this wasn’t Houston’s only head-scratcher. There were better receivers still on the board for the Texans when they instead selected Devier Posey and Keshawn Martin in the second and fourth rounds, respectively. On the other hand, the Texans may wind up with steals in guard Brandon Brooks in the third and versatile, high-effort defensive lineman Jared Crick in the fourth.”

Seriously Rang? Draft just happened last week and can't recall where we drafted Posey? Did Rang graded Posey as second round pick or third round pick? I really don't care how these guys think but just get the story right since they get pay to write these crap.

In Wade We Trust!!!

Go Texans!!!

drs23
05-01-2012, 05:25 PM
Question...

Every "draft grader", as well as the knowledgeable draft followers here are saying what a great pick Brandon Brooks in the third was. I'm probably wrong but I don't recall having seen his name mentioned in all the pre-draft threads here, or really anywhere for that matter.

My question being since he's being lauded as such a great pick, and apparently that's the consensus, why wasn't he even invited to the combine.

Inquiring minds and all that...

TheMatrix31
05-01-2012, 05:28 PM
How do these people have jobs?

Corrosion
05-01-2012, 05:35 PM
How do these people have jobs?

Hell if I know .... Many of us who post here have better writing skills and are much more accurate.

Im still tryin to figure out why the Crapical keeps McLaim around. His sources moved to Hillbilly Holler .... and they only keep Anna Megan around for her looks , definately not anything of substance , what has she contributed to the Crapical in the last year ?!


Feigen is at least decent in his coverage of the Rockets , even if its not very comprehensive.


Why is Solomon still on their payroll ?



Houston has to be the worst major city in America when it comes to sports coverage.

drunkcookie
05-01-2012, 05:36 PM
How do these people have jobs?

I'm really not trying to be a smartass here, but: because we read it...

I myself haven't read much of the draft grade stuff, but a lot of people like to read what these guys are saying about their team... These guys really don't need to put forth that much effort... Just give a grade, make sure their facts are straight, then collect a check...

The Pencil Neck
05-01-2012, 05:39 PM
Question...

Every "draft grader", as well as the knowledgeable draft followers here are saying what a great pick Brandon Brooks in the third was. I'm probably wrong but I don't recall having seen his name mentioned in all the pre-draft threads here, or really anywhere for that matter.

My question being since he's being lauded as such a great pick, and apparently that's the consensus, why wasn't he even invited to the combine.

Inquiring minds and all that...

No one understand why he wasn't invited to the Combine. One of the guys here on TT mocked him to us.

CBS Draft Scout had him ranked as a 2nd round talent and the 4th best guard in the draft. WalterFootball had him as the 6th best guard (but they had Cordy Glenn as a guard instead of a tackle) and they had him going in the 2-4th round.

He was not an unknown quantity. He was a known, quality guy.

Yankee_In_TX
05-01-2012, 05:43 PM
You can go ahead and discount all credibility when the guy says, "why didn't they just re-sign mario?"

#fact

Corrosion
05-01-2012, 05:53 PM
No one understand why he wasn't invited to the Combine. One of the guys here on TT mocked him to us.

CBS Draft Scout had him ranked as a 2nd round talent and the 4th best guard in the draft. WalterFootball had him as the 6th best guard (but they had Cordy Glenn as a guard instead of a tackle) and they had him going in the 2-4th round.

He was not an unknown quantity. He was a known, quality guy.

That would be Yaky. Hell of a call that deep in the draft.

rmartin65
05-01-2012, 05:55 PM
That would be Yaky. Hell of a call that deep in the draft.

Yaky called Mondek, the 6th rounder. I believe a couple guys were on the Brooks train, but the name coming to my mind the quickest is steelb.

TheMatrix31
05-01-2012, 06:06 PM
I'm really not trying to be a smartass here, but: because we read it...

I myself haven't read much of the draft grade stuff, but a lot of people like to read what these guys are saying about their team... These guys really don't need to put forth that much effort... Just give a grade, make sure their facts are straight, then collect a check...

I don't read it. If it wasn't posted here I would never bother seeking their opinion out.

Thorn
05-01-2012, 06:09 PM
How do these people have jobs?

I don't know. I gave the Texans a B myself, can I get paid for that now? :lol:

sbalderrama
05-01-2012, 06:13 PM
you'd think these guys would do a modicum of homework and at least vaguely understand a teams cap and free agent issues before commenting on why they draft like they did.

Corrosion
05-01-2012, 06:21 PM
Yaky called Mondek, the 6th rounder. I believe a couple guys were on the Brooks train, but the name coming to my mind the quickest is steelb.

That was GuerillaBlack who who called Brooks - my bad. Here's a link to his Mock (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91491)


you'd think these guys would do a modicum of homework and at least vaguely understand a teams cap and free agent issues before commenting on why they draft like they did.

What for ? Its easier to just blow smoke.

The average fan doesnt know any better .... but we catch damn near every detail here on TT.

LikeMike
05-01-2012, 06:34 PM
How do you Grade a draft? Does each pick count the Same, or should first rounders count more?

Personally I Love the Mercilus pick, am underwhelmed but intrigued by the WRs and love all of the other picks... All of this just based on potential and stuff you see and read on the internet.

But there is one thing I know for sure: I can't wait to see these guys on the field...

drs23
05-01-2012, 06:40 PM
Thanks for the replies guys. Like I'd mentioned, I was probably wrong, and steelb is pretty damn close quite often on the draft. Hell, all of you guys are. Carolina could sure use you folks! :)

Corrosion
05-01-2012, 06:45 PM
How do you Grade a draft? Does each pick count the Same, or should first rounders count more?

Personally I Love the Mercilus pick, am underwhelmed but intrigued by the WRs and love all of the other picks... All of this just based on potential and stuff you see and read on the internet.

But there is one thing I know for sure: I can't wait to see these guys on the field...

For me , Im more excited by the WR picks than I am Mercilus .... then again , I had the opportunity to watch one of Posey's workouts and I came away thoroughly impressed. The guy throwing to him was instructed to throw everything .... off target at one point in the workout , nothing hit the ground (Posey was covered during this part of the drill).
He has all the skills (and size) to be a top flight NFL WR .... what it boils down to is whats between his ears.


Mercilus has his flaws .... He's not MW physically but .... his production has to be accounted for. 16 sacks and 9 forced fumbles .... thats serious business in pop warner much less NCAA D1. I didnt expect him to make it past the 18th pick FWIW.

TimeKiller
05-01-2012, 06:55 PM
Here are my grades for the reports they wrote:

Houston Chronicle (John McClain): B
Analysis: “GM Rick Smith took a chance by trading out of the second round before getting [DeVier] Posey, suspended for 10 games last season, and Brooks, who wasn’t invited to the combine. [Ben] Jones was ranked second at center. [Jared] Crick was an excellent pick. [Randy] Bullock is first kicker drafted in team history.”

[B]I give this report a B. For "Bland". [Maybe] they could find a better journalist.

ESPN.com (Mel Kiper): B
Analysis: “I had Whitney Mercilus as a good fit at defensive end as high as No. 19 with the Bears, so he’s a pretty good value at No. 26. He isn’t Mario Williams, but the defense made a huge leap in 2011, and the Texans clearly want to make sure Wade Phillips has the tools he needs. He’s not a great value at No. 68 overall, but I’m intrigued by the DeVier Posey pick. He had to sit out so many games last year I don’t think scouts saw enough of him. He has really good hands, can create some matchup problems, and might be a little underrated in his ability to stretch the field. I also really like Keshawn Martin. He creates space and should stick with this team. Ben Jones and Brandon Brooks help the interior of that offensive line. I was surprised the Texans didn’t get a linebacker. At one time I saw Jared Crick as a second-rounder. If he regains form, that’s a good value in the fourth.”

He's not Mario Williams? Is that analysis? I give this report a C+ and pose the question of questions....With all variables included, just as they will be; who gets more sacks in the upcoming season? Mario Williams....or Whitney Mercilus? I'm going Mercilus because I think he's in a better situation, with better coaching. What, like it's so hard to believe? He did it last year...16 to 5.5 I believe.

NFL.com (Michael Lombardi): B
Analysis: “I always believe when you can strengthen a strength – and I think that’s the 49ers’ greatest testimony when they drafted Aldon Smith last year; it was a part of a strength – this year the Houston Texans can come off the edge. Whitney Mercilus can do that. I think that was outstanding. Brandon Brooks gives them another inside, strong player. I gave them a B. I like it.”

You liken them to a top team, agree with their strategy, the player and say you like it. And then you give it a B. Well I don't have a grade but I will say this review is soft on logic.

Sporting News (Vinnie Iyer): B
Analysis: “Key picks: OLB/DE Whitney Mercilus, WR DeVier Posey, DT Jared Crick. Following up the J.J. Watt-Brooks Reed combination, Wade Phillips should feel very good how his elite 3-4 just reloaded, again.”

Again, speak highly of them and then throw down a B. B-


FOXSports.com (John Czarnecki): B-
Analysis: “Houston has consistently selected defensive players in the first round, and didn’t disappoint its fans with Illinois pass rusher Whitney Mercilus, who had 16 sacks last season. Some teams pegged Mercilus as a one-year wonder, but he suits what defensive coordinator Wade Phillips loves to do. … Nebraska defensive tackle Jared Crick was another gem with the 126th overall pick. … Apparently, the Texans want to cut Jacoby Jones loose based on taking two more receivers in Ohio State’s DeVier Posey and Michigan State’s Keshawn Martin, who’s not afraid to go over the middle. Martin has 4.46 speed and figures to be a plus in the return game as well.”

I mean what's an A? Everything he says is positive...except the negative sign. B- for you too sucka.


SportsIllustrated.com: C+
Analysis: “There was the good — Whitney Mercilus gives Houston another excellent pass-rusher after Mario Williams’ departure — and the very good — G Brandon Brooks (76) and DE/DT Jared Crick (126) could both be huge for the Texans. There was also a complete meltdown at wide receiver with red flag-heavy DeVier Posey (68) and inconsistent Keshawn Martin (121).”

Complete meltdown is a bit strong, eh? Really....Posey is a 3rd round pick, with a good deal of potential even....he's not even the highlight pick!!! Goodness...F. And a U.


Yahoo! (Jason Cole): C
Analysis: “There’s nothing wrong with the [Whitney] Mercilus pick, but I keep coming back to the idea that if the Texans needed a pass rusher, why didn’t they just spend the money and keep Mario Williams? That would have freed the team to use its first-round pick on another need or do something more creative. Williams was expensive, but there are times in the building of a team that you spend big to get big results. The Texans are finally at the point of making a big run and they made a move that screamed of remaining middle of the pack. [DeVier] Posey is an intriguing athlete with return ability and Brooks and [Ben] Jones could be starters in fairly short order if the team wants to push them.”

[B]It really wouldn't have even taken much time to find the answer to his question. Big results? When did Mario Williams ever come up big? Signing up the best RB on the planet and the best Zone blocking OC in the league, letting the dead weight go and reloading with cheap talent screamed discipline and sound decision making. F. Three F's in a row FFF. See me after class.

CBS Sports (Rob Rang): dC
Analysis: “With a talentsed group of linebackers already in the fold, it was a surprise to some that the Texans elected to add another pass rusher in Illinois’ Whitney Mercilus in the first round but considering his production and upside, he may have been simply too good to ignore at No. 26. Some veteran talent evaluators thought he was limited to remaining as a 4-3 defensive end. Frankly, this wasn’t Houston’s only head-scratcher. There were better receivers still on the board for the Texans when they instead selected Devier Posey and Keshawn Martin in the second and fourth rounds, respectively. On the other hand, the Texans may wind up with steals in guard Brandon Brooks in the third and versatile, high-effort defensive lineman Jared Crick in the fourth.”

Whether I agree with him or not, he justifies a respectable opinion with sound reasoning. A+ Mr. Rang. Now here's to hoping you're wrong!!!

Corrosion
05-01-2012, 07:00 PM
TimeKiller .... I give you a flying ****ing A.



Rep bro. (welcome to 9k).

paycheck71
05-01-2012, 07:05 PM
Here are my grades for the reports they wrote:



Awesome!!! Repped.

drs23
05-01-2012, 07:36 PM
Here are my grades for the reports they wrote:

Houston Chronicle (John McClain): B
Analysis: “GM Rick Smith took a chance by trading out of the second round before getting [DeVier] Posey, suspended for 10 games last season, and Brooks, who wasn’t invited to the combine. [Ben] Jones was ranked second at center. [Jared] Crick was an excellent pick. [Randy] Bullock is first kicker drafted in team history.”

[B]I give this report a B. For "Bland". [Maybe] they could find a better journalist.

ESPN.com (Mel Kiper): B
Analysis: “I had Whitney Mercilus as a good fit at defensive end as high as No. 19 with the Bears, so he’s a pretty good value at No. 26. He isn’t Mario Williams, but the defense made a huge leap in 2011, and the Texans clearly want to make sure Wade Phillips has the tools he needs. He’s not a great value at No. 68 overall, but I’m intrigued by the DeVier Posey pick. He had to sit out so many games last year I don’t think scouts saw enough of him. He has really good hands, can create some matchup problems, and might be a little underrated in his ability to stretch the field. I also really like Keshawn Martin. He creates space and should stick with this team. Ben Jones and Brandon Brooks help the interior of that offensive line. I was surprised the Texans didn’t get a linebacker. At one time I saw Jared Crick as a second-rounder. If he regains form, that’s a good value in the fourth.”

He's not Mario Williams? Is that analysis? I give this report a C+ and pose the question of questions....With all variables included, just as they will be; who gets more sacks in the upcoming season? Mario Williams....or Whitney Mercilus? I'm going Mercilus because I think he's in a better situation, with better coaching. What, like it's so hard to believe? He did it last year...16 to 5.5 I believe.

NFL.com (Michael Lombardi): B
Analysis: “I always believe when you can strengthen a strength – and I think that’s the 49ers’ greatest testimony when they drafted Aldon Smith last year; it was a part of a strength – this year the Houston Texans can come off the edge. Whitney Mercilus can do that. I think that was outstanding. Brandon Brooks gives them another inside, strong player. I gave them a B. I like it.”

You liken them to a top team, agree with their strategy, the player and say you like it. And then you give it a B. Well I don't have a grade but I will say this review is soft on logic.

Sporting News (Vinnie Iyer): B
Analysis: “Key picks: OLB/DE Whitney Mercilus, WR DeVier Posey, DT Jared Crick. Following up the J.J. Watt-Brooks Reed combination, Wade Phillips should feel very good how his elite 3-4 just reloaded, again.”

Again, speak highly of them and then throw down a B. B-


FOXSports.com (John Czarnecki): B-
Analysis: “Houston has consistently selected defensive players in the first round, and didn’t disappoint its fans with Illinois pass rusher Whitney Mercilus, who had 16 sacks last season. Some teams pegged Mercilus as a one-year wonder, but he suits what defensive coordinator Wade Phillips loves to do. … Nebraska defensive tackle Jared Crick was another gem with the 126th overall pick. … Apparently, the Texans want to cut Jacoby Jones loose based on taking two more receivers in Ohio State’s DeVier Posey and Michigan State’s Keshawn Martin, who’s not afraid to go over the middle. Martin has 4.46 speed and figures to be a plus in the return game as well.”

I mean what's an A? Everything he says is positive...except the negative sign. B- for you too sucka.


SportsIllustrated.com: C+
Analysis: “There was the good — Whitney Mercilus gives Houston another excellent pass-rusher after Mario Williams’ departure — and the very good — G Brandon Brooks (76) and DE/DT Jared Crick (126) could both be huge for the Texans. There was also a complete meltdown at wide receiver with red flag-heavy DeVier Posey (68) and inconsistent Keshawn Martin (121).”

Complete meltdown is a bit strong, eh? Really....Posey is a 3rd round pick, with a good deal of potential even....he's not even the highlight pick!!! Goodness...F. And a U.


Yahoo! (Jason Cole): C
Analysis: “There’s nothing wrong with the [Whitney] Mercilus pick, but I keep coming back to the idea that if the Texans needed a pass rusher, why didn’t they just spend the money and keep Mario Williams? That would have freed the team to use its first-round pick on another need or do something more creative. Williams was expensive, but there are times in the building of a team that you spend big to get big results. The Texans are finally at the point of making a big run and they made a move that screamed of remaining middle of the pack. [DeVier] Posey is an intriguing athlete with return ability and Brooks and [Ben] Jones could be starters in fairly short order if the team wants to push them.”

[B]It really wouldn't have even taken much time to find the answer to his question. Big results? When did Mario Williams ever come up big? Signing up the best RB on the planet and the best Zone blocking OC in the league, letting the dead weight go and reloading with cheap talent screamed discipline and sound decision making. F. Three F's in a row FFF. See me after class.

CBS Sports (Rob Rang): dC
Analysis: “With a talentsed group of linebackers already in the fold, it was a surprise to some that the Texans elected to add another pass rusher in Illinois’ Whitney Mercilus in the first round but considering his production and upside, he may have been simply too good to ignore at No. 26. Some veteran talent evaluators thought he was limited to remaining as a 4-3 defensive end. Frankly, this wasn’t Houston’s only head-scratcher. There were better receivers still on the board for the Texans when they instead selected Devier Posey and Keshawn Martin in the second and fourth rounds, respectively. On the other hand, the Texans may wind up with steals in guard Brandon Brooks in the third and versatile, high-effort defensive lineman Jared Crick in the fourth.”

Whether I agree with him or not, he justifies a respectable opinion with sound reasoning. A+ Mr. Rang. Now here's to hoping you're wrong!!!

Great analysis of the analysis.

MSR

Texan_Bill
05-01-2012, 07:47 PM
I choose to "grade" this draft class, this time next year, or sometime during the season based on actual contributions. Right now, not one of these guys from this draft class has done a damn thang!!

There have been guys, in the past that I've either liked or not liked.... and sadly been proven wrong in both regards.

The Cush
05-01-2012, 07:57 PM
These "draft gurus" are biased and will base their grades according to THEIR boards and how THEY graded the players. They often fail to look at the bigger picture or beyond their own evaluations.

76Texan
05-01-2012, 08:10 PM
Great analysis of the analysis.

MSR

I had a good laugh! :ahhaha:

Texan_Bill
05-01-2012, 08:23 PM
These "draft gurus" are biased and will base their grades according to THEIR boards and how THEY graded the players. They often fail to look at the bigger picture or beyond their own evaluations.

BINGO!!! That's why I think the talking heads are full of ****e...

I think it's the average fan, that feels good about some picks but not sure about others, solely based on their familiarity with said player. Simply put, it's because Lombardi or Mayock or any other draftnick geek (whether our in-house TexansTalk draft gurus) happens to say or grade draft picks, means little to me because at the end of the day, "it's all a crap shoot"... (that said Mayock is pretty good - but still has missed).

Again, I'll grade this draft class between sometime during next season and now, 2013

Texans_Chick
05-01-2012, 08:31 PM
My draft grades rule, all the rest drool.

"My Texans 2012 draft grades + yours" (http://blog.chron.com/texanschick/2012/04/my-texans-2012-draft-grades-yours/)

HA! I like the Southern Comfort grade the best myself.

Draft grades are dumb. Players haven't been on the field yet, and few national writers have a good feel for how specific players fit specific teams. Just too many teams to be good at doing that.

Much less injuries, opportunities. So many fluke injuries that could take what would otherwise a good pick and make it not so good. Or if a starter gets injured in front of a guy or not. Those things are not predictable.

Pantherstang84
05-01-2012, 08:48 PM
Here are my grades for the reports they wrote:

CBS Sports (Rob Rang): dC
Analysis: “With a talentsed group of linebackers already in the fold, it was a surprise to some that the Texans elected to add another pass rusher in Illinois’ Whitney Mercilus in the first round but considering his production and upside, he may have been simply too good to ignore at No. 26. Some veteran talent evaluators thought he was limited to remaining as a 4-3 defensive end. Frankly, this wasn’t Houston’s only head-scratcher. There were better receivers still on the board for the Texans when they instead selected Devier Posey and Keshawn Martin in the second and fourth rounds, respectively. On the other hand, the Texans may wind up with steals in guard Brandon Brooks in the third and versatile, high-effort defensive lineman Jared Crick in the fourth.”

Whether I agree with him or not, he justifies a respectable opinion with sound reasoning. A+ Mr. Rang. Now here's to hoping you're wrong!!!
Ummmmm. Mr Rang. Excuse me. Devier Posey was selected in the third round. Did you not get the memo? Uh. No. You may not have your credibility back. thank you.

Corrosion
05-01-2012, 10:08 PM
My draft grades rule, all the rest drool.

"My Texans 2012 draft grades + yours" (http://blog.chron.com/texanschick/2012/04/my-texans-2012-draft-grades-yours/)

HA! I like the Southern Comfort grade the best myself.

Draft grades are dumb. Players haven't been on the field yet, and few national writers have a good feel for how specific players fit specific teams. Just too many teams to be good at doing that.

Much less injuries, opportunities. So many fluke injuries that could take what would otherwise a good pick and make it not so good. Or if a starter gets injured in front of a guy or not. Those things are not predictable.

TC .... I Love you ....

SteveSlaton20
05-01-2012, 10:36 PM
I don't care for draft grades. It just shows how dumb writers/experts are (Jason Cole/SI/Rob Rang)

We did need an OLB. Obviously we have Connor Barwin and Brooks Reed, but who do we have after that, that are proven players? And no Jason, we couldn't bring back Mario because there wasn't any salary space to do so. I'm guessing he's new to the NFL, or he thought Houston had plenty of salary space.

And how exactly, was DeVier Posey, a "red flag-heavy" prospect? Last I checked, be broke the NCAA rules, not laws. All he did was sold his stuff, so he can have some money, and got tattoos for free. Where exactly, are the heavy red flags?

Keshawn Martin, however might be inconsistent, but we didn't draft him to be just a WR. We drafted him so he can PR/KR.

I'm not saying there wasn't better WRs available at the time, but Gary knows his offense better than anyone and he got who he wanted.

b0ng
05-02-2012, 12:11 AM
I like post draft grades because it is an instant feedback on the newly drafted players to your squad. It shows the initial gut reactions to each players prospect profile and the supposed value they bring to the team. Nobody is fully right or wrong really and it gives us interesting reading material in the future.

Blake
05-03-2012, 07:48 AM
Question...

Every "draft grader", as well as the knowledgeable draft followers here are saying what a great pick Brandon Brooks in the third was. I'm probably wrong but I don't recall having seen his name mentioned in all the pre-draft threads here, or really anywhere for that matter.

My question being since he's being lauded as such a great pick, and apparently that's the consensus, why wasn't he even invited to the combine.

Inquiring minds and all that...

Texans generally dont take 340+ pound maulers like Brooks so there was little reason for people to mock a player like that to us. But if the Texans think they can get a 340+ pound lineman who runs the 40 in under 5 seconds to work in our scheme, then that makes people pretty excited.

Not sure why he wasnt invited to the combine. I guess they already filled up the guest list before his stellar East West performance.

Blake
05-03-2012, 07:54 AM
He's not Mario Williams?

:spit:

LoL breaking news! Mercilus is not Mario Williams!