PDA

View Full Version : More sacks in 2012 - Whitney Mercilus or Mario Williams?


Trail.Blazr
04-29-2012, 10:02 AM
Who do you believe will end up with more sacks?

Nawzer
04-29-2012, 10:04 AM
Mario simply because he will get more playing time.

TheDrifter
04-29-2012, 10:05 AM
Mario simply because he will get more playing time.

Agreed. More playing time and fewer guys who will get there first.

AMartin56
04-29-2012, 10:38 AM
On an actual NFL field or on XBox?

Mario will definitely have more playing Madden. I hear he's quite the video gamer.

As far as on the field goes...I don't see big money starting Mario's motor or protecting him from injury so I think Mercilus has a 50/50 chance of beating him in sacks.

Lucky
04-29-2012, 10:38 AM
Who didn't see this poll coming?

Marcus
04-29-2012, 10:39 AM
Agreed. More playing time and fewer guys who will get there first.

I think that Phillips will pin his ears back any time he comes into the game. I say he gets double-digit sacks this year, and he will get there faster than Mario.

Mercilus.

rmartin65
04-29-2012, 10:40 AM
I thin it is a toss up. Mario will see the field more, but Mercilus is surrounded by more talent and a better scheme. It all depends on how motivated Mario is.

jaayteetx
04-29-2012, 10:40 AM
This is just silly.

DocBar
04-29-2012, 10:47 AM
Apples and oranges. All I realy care about is the Texans having more W's than any other team in the league.

beerlover
04-29-2012, 10:51 AM
Who didn't see this poll coming?

right..... :wadepalm:

Nevertheless Whitney in this system even if he only gets half the reps will exceed Mario Williams sack total in 2012 all for about 70 million less :)

welsh texan
04-29-2012, 11:01 AM
I thin it is a toss up. Mario will see the field more, but Mercilus is surrounded by more talent and a better scheme. It all depends on how motivated Mario is.

Mario - Kyle Williams - Dareus - Anderson

Pretty good talent there on the line, and they should improve quite a bit this season.

I don't think there's really a big competition between Mario and Mercilus, if you consider draft status, amount of coin paid, depth chart position (even if Mercilus is #1 he'll be in a rotation) and the nature of their role (Mercilus will be asked to be more versatile than Williams) its a bit of a false comparison even though we've essentially replaced one with the other.

I wrote it somewhere else, but if WM has a similar rookie season to the one Connor Barwin had, that'll be perfectly adequate to me, anything more will be a huge bonus.

Dutchrudder
04-29-2012, 11:13 AM
I go with Merc, cause Mario will be on IR before week 10.

G27RR
04-29-2012, 11:22 AM
Whitney Mercilus is the anti-Mario. Harder working, happy to be here, never seems to stop going.

More proof, it's right in their initials - WM replaces MW

:kitten:

ObsiWan
04-29-2012, 11:26 AM
Where's the "Who cares what Mario does since he ain't a Texan" option?
:)

Nawzer
04-29-2012, 11:31 AM
I go with Merc, cause Mario will be on IR before week 10.

^This. The odds are good that Mario won't play a full season.

Fili
04-29-2012, 12:16 PM
Mario. He's the only good pass rusher there. Texans now have multiple pass rushers so the sacks/tackles will be all over the place.

Ryan
04-29-2012, 12:19 PM
Mario if he plays 16 games. I expect Mercilus to be great in 2 to 3 years, but i don't see him exceeding the 10 sack level as a rookie, especially with a rotation.

The Pencil Neck
04-29-2012, 12:36 PM
Honestly?

I think it will be close. But like Dutchrudder said, I expect Mario to miss a bunch of games and because of that, Mercilus may actually see the field more even though he's a situational player at first.

I'm wondering, though, if Mercilus will be a "situational" player. I think Wade is going to find some ways to build some packages to get all his best players on the field at the same time. Mercilus may be on the field quite a bit.

But I'm just hoping for a good 8-9 sacks from him. I don't know if that will be enough to overtake Mario.

Thorn
04-29-2012, 12:52 PM
Who didn't see this poll coming?

:lol:

If Mario stays healthy he'll have more sacks. Say whatever you will about Mario, but when he's of a mind to actually play football he's the best.

TdotTexas2Step
04-29-2012, 01:15 PM
I think the most realistic answer to this is Mario will end up with more sacks, but when you factor into account salary, then Mercilus provides the better value.

I think if Wade could keep Mario at Mercilus' contract, he'd take Mario every single time.

With that said, Mercilus for DROY!

eriadoc
04-29-2012, 01:42 PM
Mario played 5 games in his career under a defensive coordinator that belonged in the NFL. IF he can stay healthy, he's going to do well.

Mercilus is going to compete for DROY though.

kiwitexansfan
04-29-2012, 01:51 PM
Mercilus.

Mario will be in the recovery room too much.

Lucky
04-29-2012, 01:57 PM
Mercilus is going to compete for DROY though.
One of the NFLN talking heads picked Mercilus as his post draft pick for DROY. Can't remember which one. Wilcots? Waddle? I know it wasn't Sapp (sorry about the jab, Warren).

AMartin56
04-29-2012, 01:58 PM
One of the NFLN talking heads picked Mercilus as his post draft pick for DROY. Can't remember which one. Wilcots? Waddle? I know it wasn't Sapp (sorry about the jab, Warren).

Tom Waddle.

dalemurphy
04-29-2012, 04:09 PM
Who do you believe will end up with more sacks?

How about making it a value-based poll?:

Who will have the most sacks for every million dollars of cap hit? Mario would have to break the single season sack record simply to keep pace with Mercilus if Mercilus ends up with 3 or 4.

NitroGSXR
04-29-2012, 06:30 PM
The stat that I'd like to see the Texans improve on isn't sacks. It's fumbles. Mercilus should be the better value considering.

Goldensilence
04-29-2012, 06:44 PM
Didn't see immediate comparison's coming at all.

When it comes down to it, barring injury, Mario SHOULD get more sacks for several reasons. The biggest one of all is likely just going to be he's going to see more snaps.

What could be interesting though is IF Whitney's good as advertised it could force Wade (who's already on record saying he's a more polished pass rusher than Reed) to give him more snaps. I think Barwin's going to start regardless because he's the most experienced of the three and I think we're going to want to see what to expect long term from him seeing how its a contract year from what I recall.

Dutchrudder
04-29-2012, 07:34 PM
How about making it a value-based poll?:

Who will have the most sacks for every million dollars of cap hit? Mario would have to break the single season sack record simply to keep pace with Mercilus if Mercilus ends up with 3 or 4.

Mario is being paid about 8 times more than Merc. I don't think Mario would stand a chance.

DocBar
04-30-2012, 01:54 AM
Mario played 5 games in his career under a defensive coordinator that belonged in the NFL. IF he can stay healthy, he's going to do well.

Mercilus is going to compete for DROY though.What makes you think tjhat the Buffalp DC is legitimate? He had talent last season and where was their D? They have a ton of talent on paper, but so has Houston since 2006. How often did Mario disappear versus dominate with Houston? Mario relies on talent alone and is comfortable letting others do the heavy lifting/motivating. He's made his and it's all about him.

EllisUnit
04-30-2012, 03:55 AM
:lol:

If Mario stays healthy he'll have more sacks. Say whatever you will about Mario, but when he's of a mind to actually play football he's the best.

With all that guranteed money he's making i doubt hre will be to motivated. We have all seen him dissapear from games before, imagine now that he is getting the money anyways.

Plus i dont really care what Mario does from this point on, he isnt wearing the red with and blue anymore, he isnt part of bulls on parade, so who really cares.

Goatcheese
04-30-2012, 01:24 PM
People are getting way too excited over Mercilus. If he has 5+ sacks it's a successful rookie campaign.

Barring injury, Williams is an automatic 10+ sack guy every season.

badboy
04-30-2012, 01:32 PM
I do not care what you say. I do not care what you do. When the ice cream truck comes through the neighborhood, it knows where I stay." signed Mario Williams

Big Lou
04-30-2012, 05:34 PM
I say Whitney just because Mario will be on IR at some point in the season.

CloakNNNdagger
05-12-2012, 08:08 AM
Nice interview of Mercilus. Well spoken, focused and confident.......but no cockiness.

VIDEO (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/12/whitney-mercilus-hears-the-talk-that-hes-mario-williams-replacement/)

rickyb
05-12-2012, 08:42 AM
Who do you believe will end up with more sacks?

Ming the Mercilus!
Rick

BattleRedRock
05-13-2012, 09:49 AM
Mario if he plays 16 games. I expect Mercilus to be great in 2 to 3 years, but i don't see him exceeding the 10 sack level as a rookie, especially with a rotation.

2 to 3 years? what? he is a natural pass rusher, NATURAL. this guy is the 2nd best linebacker on this team already next to Cush. I mean dont get me wrong Barwin is pretty good and Reed is not bad but im talking not only does he have a high motor but hes got the skill and talent to go with it. Reed is pretty slow and some times does not take on blocks very well, Barwin has decent speed but he is just relentless probably has the best cardio and endurance on the team. I think if he focuses on MURKelus like he did with Mario b4 his injury, i think the dude puts up 15 easily... BOOK IT!!!!

BattleRedRock
05-13-2012, 09:56 AM
People are getting way too excited over Mercilus. If he has 5+ sacks it's a successful rookie campaign.

Barring injury, Williams is an automatic 10+ sack guy every season.

Getting way too excited?! 5 sacks? brooks reed got 6 sacks and he has cement in his shoes with Liquid Nails on the bottom of his cleats? Williams and 10 sacks may go in the same sentence but bet this! If Mario gets 10 sacks thats exactly where he stays bc he gets 10 sacks and homeboy thinks hes done his work. hes got the heart of a frickin gerbal man. sheeeeeeeiiiiittttt 10 sacks of Jack N the Crack maybe...

BattleRedRock
05-13-2012, 10:01 AM
What makes you think tjhat the Buffalp DC is legitimate? He had talent last season and where was their D? They have a ton of talent on paper, but so has Houston since 2006. How often did Mario disappear versus dominate with Houston? Mario relies on talent alone and is comfortable letting others do the heavy lifting/motivating. He's made his and it's all about him.

Well said man well said...

Rey
05-13-2012, 10:55 AM
2 to 3 years? what? he is a natural pass rusher, NATURAL. this guy is the 2nd best linebacker on this team already next to Cush. I mean dont get me wrong Barwin is pretty good and Reed is not bad but im talking not only does he have a high motor but hes got the skill and talent to go with it. Reed is pretty slow and some times does not take on blocks very well, Barwin has decent speed but he is just relentless probably has the best cardio and endurance on the team. I think if he focuses on MURKelus like he did with Mario b4 his injury, i think the dude puts up 15 easily... BOOK IT!!!!

Id take that bet.

If merci gets 15 sacks he will have far exceeded my expectations.

rmartin65
05-13-2012, 10:59 AM
Id take that bet.

If merci gets 15 sacks he will have far exceeded my expectations.

No kidding. 8-10 is the number I am looking at.

TimeKiller
05-13-2012, 11:09 AM
Id take that bet.

If merci gets 15 sacks he will have far exceeded my expectations.

No doubt. Reed didn't get drafted in the high 2nd round because he was slow and anyone thinking Mercilus or Barwin is just simply going to move him out of his spot is foolish.

I think we're going to see the essence of a rotation. 3 above average players, no superstar, just rotating and cleaning up. The only one flaw I see is what of Mercilus' ability (or inability) to drop into a few simple coverages. I think he'll be playing weakside most of the time this season, Barwin and Reed can both play sam over the TE to disguise intentions.

Reed is slow....:clown:

As for the thread, I'll go with last year's winner, Mercilus.

Playoffs
05-13-2012, 11:36 AM
Reed is pretty slow...Reed is quicker than Mercilus. :kitten:

dsorc
05-13-2012, 12:03 PM
2 to 3 years? what? he is a natural pass rusher, NATURAL. this guy is the 2nd best linebacker on this team already next to Cush. I mean dont get me wrong Barwin is pretty good and Reed is not bad but im talking not only does he have a high motor but hes got the skill and talent to go with it. Reed is pretty slow and some times does not take on blocks very well, Barwin has decent speed but he is just relentless probably has the best cardio and endurance on the team. I think if he focuses on MURKelus like he did with Mario b4 his injury, i think the dude puts up 15 easily... BOOK IT!!!!

Let's be realistic here. Mercilus may get to 15 sacks eventually but it's highly unlikely he does it on his rookie year. If Mercilus puts 15 sacks next year that would break the rookie sack record. Last year was an anomaly with 12 guys getting more than 5 sacks and the rookie with most sacks (Aldon Smith) had 14. In 2010, there were 2 guys with more than 5 sacks (Suh had the most with 10); in 2009 again only 2 had more than 5 (Orakpo with 11 was the best); in 2008 no rookie had more than 5; in 2007 only 2 had more than 5 (Gaines Adams had the most with 6. Okoye had 5.5).

If Mercilus can get more than 5 sacks next year that would be a great season for a rookie. If he can get to 10 he'd be a premier candidate for DROY.

The Medic01
05-13-2012, 01:05 PM
Let's be realistic here. Mercilus may get to 15 sacks eventually but it's highly unlikely he does it on his rookie year. If Mercilus puts 15 sacks next year that would break the rookie sack record. Last year was an anomaly with 12 guys getting more than 5 sacks and the rookie with most sacks (Aldon Smith) had 14. In 2010, there were 2 guys with more than 5 sacks (Suh had the most with 10); in 2009 again only 2 had more than 5 (Orakpo with 11 was the best); in 2008 no rookie had more than 5; in 2007 only 2 had more than 5 (Gaines Adams had the most with 6. Okoye had 5.5).

If Mercilus can get more than 5 sacks next year that would be a great season for a rookie. If he can get to 10 he'd be a premier candidate for DROY.

The rookies were like this last year because the coaches simplified the playbook and made it easy on the rookies because of shortened offseason. Mercilus is being thrown into same situation as Aldon Smith. Just rotational only passing downs and he got 14 sacks. It's not impossible if Kubiak does the same thing simplifying everything for the rookies then he could potentially get 10.

Malloy
05-13-2012, 01:13 PM
During the entire season, or the first 6 games that Mario is healthy ? :)

Homer hat on, MEEEEEERCILUS!!

devo-x
05-13-2012, 01:15 PM
Mercilus only because its likely Mario in on IR halfway through the season

mussop
05-13-2012, 01:23 PM
Mario is the new Albert Haynesworth. From this point on his career is going backwards. By the fith game he will be getting questioned by the NY media and fans. By the seventh game they will be ridiculing him. Soon after that he will suffer a hamstring injury and be out for the year. :voodoo:

Mercilus will be in the running for DROY. :d:

Malloy
05-13-2012, 01:55 PM
Mario is the new Albert Haynesworth. From this point on his career is going backwards. By the fith game he will be getting questioned by the NY media and fans. By the seventh game they will be ridiculing him. Soon after that he will suffer a hamstring injury and be out for the year. :voodoo:

Mercilus will be in the running for DROY. :d:

Then he'll get picked up by the Bill.... hey... wait a minute!! :)

BullBlitz
05-13-2012, 04:18 PM
Mario.

texanhead08
05-13-2012, 04:33 PM
Mario simply because he will get more playing time.


This ^^^^

TdotTexas2Step
05-13-2012, 05:42 PM
Sacks are not always a 1 on 1 matchup kind of things. Other players on the front 7 also play into the equation with the OP's topic question.

NitroGSXR
05-13-2012, 06:39 PM
Let's be realistic here. Mercilus may get to 15 sacks eventually but it's highly unlikely he does it on his rookie year. If Mercilus puts 15 sacks next year that would break the rookie sack record. Last year was an anomaly with 12 guys getting more than 5 sacks and the rookie with most sacks (Aldon Smith) had 14. In 2010, there were 2 guys with more than 5 sacks (Suh had the most with 10); in 2009 again only 2 had more than 5 (Orakpo with 11 was the best); in 2008 no rookie had more than 5; in 2007 only 2 had more than 5 (Gaines Adams had the most with 6. Okoye had 5.5).

If Mercilus can get more than 5 sacks next year that would be a great season for a rookie. If he can get to 10 he'd be a premier candidate for DROY.

Have to bump this post backed by numbers.

Rep.

dsorc
05-13-2012, 08:31 PM
The rookies were like this last year because the coaches simplified the playbook and made it easy on the rookies because of shortened offseason. Mercilus is being thrown into same situation as Aldon Smith. Just rotational only passing downs and he got 14 sacks. It's not impossible if Kubiak does the same thing simplifying everything for the rookies then he could potentially get 10.
Mercilus could get to 10 if he gets enough opportunities but we should temper expectations. Last year was an anomaly not only because of the lack of training camp but also the draft looks to have been loaded. Here are all the rookies to get at least 10 sacks since 2007 (past 5 years):
2011 Aldon Smith 14
2011 Von Miller 11.5
2010 Ndamukong Suh 10
2009 Brian Orakpo 11
2009 Clay Matthews 10
2007-8 None

TejasTom
05-14-2012, 08:44 AM
Whitney Mercilus hears the talk that heís Mario Williamsí replacement

ďA lot of people are saying the Texans drafted me to replace Mario,Ē Mercilus said on NBC Sports Talk. ďIím a new guy coming in and I have to learn the ropes, use my talents and what is taught to me to become a great player, and eventually Iíll try to attain my goals to be great, just like that.Ē

Here is the link to article and interview: Profootball Talk on NBC (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/12/whitney-mercilus-hears-the-talk-that-hes-mario-williams-replacement/)

BattleRedRock
05-14-2012, 01:57 PM
No doubt. Reed didn't get drafted in the high 2nd round because he was slow and anyone thinking Mercilus or Barwin is just simply going to move him out of his spot is foolish.

I think we're going to see the essence of a rotation. 3 above average players, no superstar, just rotating and cleaning up. The only one flaw I see is what of Mercilus' ability (or inability) to drop into a few simple coverages. I think he'll be playing weakside most of the time this season, Barwin and Reed can both play sam over the TE to disguise intentions.

Reed is slow....:clown:

As for the thread, I'll go with last year's winner, Mercilus.

The Reed pick last year was for depth purposes only, if mario doesnt get hurt dude hardly sees the field. and as far as their speed, you can not tell me that REED has a quicker first step than Mercilus, has better hands than Mercilus? Speed doesnt just consist of running down field or a statistical 40 time. Its feet work its shooting your hands to the chest of blockers, its coming off the corners.. im sorry to inform you but Mercilus IS faster and quicker. And i know he is not mario but before mario got hurt wade was rushing him virtually every down. if he does not do the same with him at first i think eventually he will. Wade already commented that Merc was a better rusher than reed. And rookie sack records? its a record, records are meant to be broken so whos to say he doesnt break it.

Corrosion
05-14-2012, 11:16 PM
2 to 3 years? what? he is a natural pass rusher, NATURAL. this guy is the 2nd best linebacker on this team already next to Cush. I mean dont get me wrong Barwin is pretty good and Reed is not bad but im talking not only does he have a high motor but hes got the skill and talent to go with it. Reed is pretty slow and some times does not take on blocks very well, Barwin has decent speed but he is just relentless probably has the best cardio and endurance on the team. I think if he focuses on MURKelus like he did with Mario b4 his injury, i think the dude puts up 15 easily... BOOK IT!!!!

Only 4 players in the NFL put up 15 or more last season (2011).... Jared Allen (22) , DeMarcus Ware (19.5) , Jason Babin (18) , Jason Pierre-Paul (16.5).

Only One put up 15 or more in 2010. DeMarcus Ware

Only One put up 15 or more in 2009. Elvis Dumervil


Mario Williams has never had 15+ in a season. his best was 14 in 2007 and 12 in 2008 , the only two seasons he's reached double figures.


If you expect 15 from a rookie , you are smoking some good sh!t ....

beerlover
05-14-2012, 11:28 PM
This wasn't a question of how many sacks per say, only that who has the higher end of year total. Mario in Buffalo or Mercilus in Houston?

Corrosion
05-14-2012, 11:38 PM
This wasn't a question of how many sacks per say, only that who has the higher end of year total. Mario in Buffalo or Mercilus in Houston?

I know that .... was just responding to BattleRedRock's notion of 15+ by the rookie.

For the record , I went with MW in Barffalo in the poll because I dont believe Mercilus will see near as many snaps. Barwin & Reed are the bookends .... Mercilus will be the backup and or situational guy.

Hell , all things being equal in the snap department , I still think MW ends up with more sacks.


Im really looking forward to how Wade gets all these pass rushers on the field at the same time ..... Will make for some interesting fronts in passing situations.

Lambert
05-23-2012, 03:54 AM
Mario got 4 sacks in his Rookie season playing most of the snaps. I don't think Mercilus will get to play most of the snaps. In Whitney's first two years at Illinois when he wasn't getting all the snaps, he averaged maybe 2 sacks per year. Take it from there.

And, oh yeah, if you think Reed is slow or is slower than Mercilus take a look at the combine times for the 10 yard split. And, a concert piano player has better hands than Mercilus........

Allstar
05-23-2012, 04:20 AM
Mario got 4 sacks in his Rookie season playing most of the snaps. I don't think Mercilus will get to play most of the snaps. In Whitney's first two years at Illinois when he wasn't getting all the snaps, he averaged maybe 2 sacks per year. Take it from there.

And, oh yeah, if you think Reed is slow or is slower than Mercilus take a look at the combine times for the 10 yard split. And, a concert piano player has better hands than Mercilus........

Mario struggled with injuries his entire rookie year and didn't exactly have a typical start to a career for a big time pass rusher. I can point to Aldon Smith and make an opposite argument. The best thing Mercilus has going for him is Wade Phillips. Wade can scheme to give my grandma 6 sacks if she played the Will for us.

That being said, I would be very surprised to see Mercilus get more sacks than a proven player like Mario, especially with the disparity in playing time.