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kingh99
04-29-2012, 06:03 AM
Did mgmt or the coaching staff already have a falling out with Griffin? He is starting to come across as a possible prima donna. What a hilarious situation. Shanahan is always crapping the sheets with players. How that guy can stay employed as head coach amazes me. So now they have this soapbox and crazy owner and Seal playing QB for the Redskins. You have to laugh.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/don_banks/04/28/nfl.draft.day3/index.html

WolverineFan
04-29-2012, 06:39 AM
IMO, they probably think they can develop him and get something for him. Used a 4th on him and could maybe trade him for a 1st or 2nd in 3 years of so. I think they're so locked in on, and confident in, Griffin that they didn't even think about how this would affect him.

I don't think they thought about the consequences before they pulled the trigger, they just saw an opportunity and went for it. I don't know if this will cause a QB controversy in Washington because Griffin is "The Guy". Sucks for Cousins because he will never be given a fair shake while he's there.

He's basically there to prove to other teams he can play, not the Redskins.

Scooter
04-29-2012, 07:07 AM
to think controversy is asinine. i'm going to do the unthinkable and agree with charlie casserly (while stating the obvious), you NEED a backup quarterback who can step right in. we know that better than anybody, as we rode our 3rd string 5th round rookie into the playoffs. for the redskins, a 4th round rookie is a major upgrade at backup qb over their current mess. cousins is someone who can grow with the offense directly with griffin, be there if griffin runs himself into an injury, and will become trade fodder in a couple of years (when a new backup is drafted and fans again go chicken little).

the future was mortgaged for griffin, he's going to start the duration of his contract regardless of performance. no pick or free agent is going to change that, but folks appear to think that any other qb on the roster is a threat. cousins is a prudent selection with zero impact on griffin.

unless of course it's safe to strap onto a rookie rushing quarterback with only rex "kcuf it i'm going deep!" grossman behind him.

Corrosion
04-29-2012, 07:38 AM
IMO, they probably think they can develop him and get something for him. Used a 4th on him and could maybe trade him for a 1st or 2nd in 3 years of so. I think they're so locked in on, and confident in, Griffin that they didn't even think about how this would affect him.

I don't think they thought about the consequences before they pulled the trigger, they just saw an opportunity and went for it. I don't know if this will cause a QB controversy in Washington because Griffin is "The Guy". Sucks for Cousins because he will never be given a fair shake while he's there.

He's basically there to prove to other teams he can play, not the Redskins.

I pretty much agree with this post .... but on the bright side for Cousins , he gets to learn under Shannahan who's a pretty good coach at the position.

They have a good chance to turn that 4th into something like the two seconds Atlanta got for Schaub.

Dont think they are win now mode so if this works out for them , those picks down the road could be helpful ...

Lucky
04-29-2012, 08:06 AM
IMO, they probably think they can develop him and get something for him.
How are the Skins going to get Cousins the reps necessary to develop him? They should be acquiring pieces to build around Griffin. This drafting to trade later logic led Casserly to waste a pick on Dave Ragone (NFL Europe MVP). There wasn't a WR, lineman, or RB at that point in the draft that could help Griffin? What do you think, Gary?

:kubepalm:

My sentiments, exactly.

Corrosion
04-29-2012, 09:14 AM
How are the Skins going to get Cousins the reps necessary to develop him? They should be acquiring pieces to build around Griffin. This drafting to trade later logic led Casserly to waste a pick on Dave Ragone (NFL Europe MVP). There wasn't a WR, lineman, or RB at that point in the draft that could help Griffin? What do you think, Gary?

:kubepalm:

My sentiments, exactly.

Of course I agree with you completely .... they should have been drafting to help their rookie QB .... but I can see why they might take a chance at a high return later.

TimeKiller
04-29-2012, 10:28 AM
They were still one play away from Sexy Rexy tossin' leather.

ESPN is fabricating controversy, I swear, If the river of tears that Herm Edwards cried meets up with the OCEAN of snot bubbles, tears and quivering lip drool that used to be known as Ron Jaworski then we are all screwed. Someone build an arc!! I've never seen two grown men ruin make-up so fast. Jewish people being seperated in lines during the Holocaust didn't cry that hard. Jaws was more concerned with the Kirk Cousins pick than Jackie O was sitting next to a dead president. Herm Edwards' sad face was responsible for the brief eclipse yesterday. Ok I'm done lol...

Seriously. It's actually a pretty good pick.

Playoffs
04-29-2012, 10:40 AM
Why? Simple: John Beck, Rex Grossman

So now they have this soapbox and crazy owner and Seal playing QB for the Redskins. You have to laugh.You should try calling him that to his face.

beerlover
04-29-2012, 10:47 AM
Just watched a piece on Sparten Pro Day which Shanahan attended & it's simple, he fell in love with Kirk Cousins:smooch:

thunderkyss
04-29-2012, 10:59 AM
to think controversy is asinine. i'm going to do the unthinkable and agree with charlie casserly (while stating the obvious), you NEED a backup quarterback who can step right in.

I think this is the first reason..... with Mike Vick 2.0, Griffin isn't a lock to finish the season.

Secondly, who have they got to push the kid? I think it's pretty smart to say, "We like you kid, but you're going to have to work to keep this job."

Much rather have Vick 2.0 than Russell 1.1

thunderkyss
04-29-2012, 11:04 AM
Of course I agree with you completely .... they should have been drafting to help their rookie QB .... but I can see why they might take a chance at a high return later.

Didn't they just sign Garcon? Then they've got Moss & Gafney. Not flashy, but a decent cast. Fred Davis, Chris Cooley..... & I think Helu is going to blow up.


Ok, maybe they could have used a 4th round RB.....

ziggy29
04-29-2012, 02:16 PM
The Skins immediately have #1 and #2 on their depth charts, probably, from guys who have never taken a snap. That's how pitiful their QB situation was.

Nevertheless, this team has too many other problems (IMO) to blow a 4th rounder on someone who is either an obvious backup or trade bait. Depth is always a nice thing to have, especially at key positions... but is it worth getting "depth" at QB with the 4th round pick when you have so many other problems going unmet? There are only so many UDFAs that will be able to make an impact. And with the investment you just made in RG3, don't you want to beef up the receiving corps and O-line to get more return on that investment?

The only other potential option is that Washington thinks they can get more than the value of a 4th rounder in trade eventually (whether it's a player they value more than that or a future draft pick).

Dutchrudder
04-29-2012, 02:42 PM
They cut John Beck and probably had Cousins rated as a 2nd or 3rd round pick. When he fell to their 4th, they took him as they need a backup QB. No big deal really, they have a talented defense and signed quite a few free agents so it should be somewhat of a luxury pick.

gtexan02
04-29-2012, 02:45 PM
The Colts took 2 QBs as well

Wolf
04-29-2012, 03:06 PM
I heard the debate on NFLN.. Cousins won't get the reps and if he does then something terribly went wrong with RG3 .. either he got injured or didn't develope into the player that was worth giving up 3 number ones and whatever else for.

Wolf
04-29-2012, 03:07 PM
The Colts took 2 QBs as well

true but it was a 7th rounder and last pick at that

ziggy29
04-29-2012, 03:08 PM
The Colts took 2 QBs as well

Yeah, but the second Colts QB was Mr. Irrelevant -- basically the same thing as a UDFA -- not a high 4th rounder.

Errant Hothy
04-29-2012, 03:26 PM
Could it be that maybe since QB is the most important position in sports you can never have too many?

Lucky
04-29-2012, 04:53 PM
Could it be that maybe since QB is the most important position in sports you can never have too many?
Signed,
Charley Casserly

NitroGSXR
04-29-2012, 05:04 PM
Signed,
Charley Casserly

Heeeyyyy what about me?
Signed,
Jon Gruden

Goldensilence
04-29-2012, 08:22 PM
What's the manufacture about this pick? Washington gave up a lot to draft RG3, they're committed for at least the duration of his rookie contract for better or worse. I still have my reservations about him as a pro, but that doesn't matter really.

Cousins was rated as one of the more polished QB's coming out of the draft. They knew between John Beck and Grossman they have two backups. They had to drop one, IMO Beck was the obvious choice as well.

It was a good value pick and its a passing league. QBs are at a premium and there's still some shaky QB situations around the league they might be able to flip the pick sooner rather than later.

thunderkyss
05-01-2012, 10:18 PM
The Skins immediately have #1 and #2 on their depth charts, probably, from guys who have never taken a snap. That's how pitiful their QB situation was.

Nevertheless, this team has too many other problems (IMO) to blow a 4th rounder on someone who is either an obvious backup or trade bait. Depth is always a nice thing to have, especially at key positions... but is it worth getting "depth" at QB with the 4th round pick when you have so many other problems going unmet? There are only so many UDFAs that will be able to make an impact. And with the investment you just made in RG3, don't you want to beef up the receiving corps and O-line to get more return on that investment?

The only other potential option is that Washington thinks they can get more than the value of a 4th rounder in trade eventually (whether it's a player they value more than that or a future draft pick).

Jabar Gafney, Santana Moss, & Pierre Garcon is probably as good a receiving corps as they'll have, even if there were a 4th round rookie fighting for a roster spot.

& yes, though it is unconventional, I think that 4th round pick makes more sense than the UDFA, or whatever street FA that is out there for a second/third QB.

Any other position on that team would probably be better served through FA than a 4th round pick.

ChampionTexan
05-01-2012, 10:32 PM
Jabar Gafney, Santana Moss, & Pierre Garcon is probably as good a receiving corps as they'll have, even if there were a 4th round rookie fighting for a roster spot.



They let Gaffney go today.

SW H-TOWN
05-01-2012, 10:32 PM
The Redskins probably think that they can develop him and trade him for a king's ransom. Schuab, Klob, Mynob...ect. It might look like a horrible situation for the kid but if Cousins goes all in he and the Redskins could win the lottery.

Vinny
05-01-2012, 10:53 PM
QB's that run tend to get hurt in the NFL. I think they just took a guy they aren't going to be ashamed to play when RG3 gets injured for a spell. Rexy makes them blush.

The Pencil Neck
05-02-2012, 12:45 AM
QB's that run tend to get hurt in the NFL. I think they just took a guy they aren't going to be ashamed to play when RG3 gets injured for a spell. Rexy makes them blush.

The problem is with the development snaps. Cousins is going to be put into a kind of a crappy situation where he's not going to be getting enough snaps once the season starts to really develop very well...

Unless he's TJ Yates.

Wolf6151
05-02-2012, 03:28 AM
I think they took Cousins as a value pick. He was rated as a 2nd round pick by some and they picked him up in the 4th. If they need him they've got a quality backup and if not then they can trade him in a couple years for a higher draft pick.

SW H-TOWN
05-02-2012, 10:29 AM
I think they took Cousins as a value pick. He was rated as a 2nd round pick by some and they picked him up in the 4th. If they need him they've got a quality backup and if not then they can trade him in a couple years for a higher draft pick.

This was what I thought. If RG3 is out for a couple of games I think they hope that he can come in and shine and then possibly trade him for players and or draft picks.