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Playoffs
04-28-2012, 12:20 PM
http://sidelionreport.com/files/2012/04/5742058-300x199.jpg

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1620560/ben-jones

http://m.nfl.com/combine/profile/2532883/ben-jones/

SEC, 4-year started 49 games, prototypical center.

amazing80
04-28-2012, 12:20 PM
Discuss.......



Good value and nice depth behind Myers, but I feel we have some NEEDS that we either are ignoring or feel they aren't actually needs.....Still need a better wr IMO and a NT wouldn't hurt....

Line_Producer
04-28-2012, 12:21 PM
Nice to see them adding depth and using BPA on their boards. I think that's fantastic. As a fan, I know we hate it.

As a pick? eh. I love the flashy in the 4th, where is my Kubiak TE pick?! ;)

rmartin65
04-28-2012, 12:22 PM
I like it. Not an exciting pick, but provides depth for the line. Good value as well.

amazing80
04-28-2012, 12:22 PM
Nice to see them adding depth and using BPA on their boards. I think that's fantastic. As a fan, I know we hate it.

As a pick? eh. I love the flashy in the 4th, where is my Kubiak TE pick?! ;)

Mercilus played some TE :kitten:

ziggy29
04-28-2012, 12:22 PM
Discuss.......

Good value and nice depth behind Myers, but I feel we have some NEEDS that we either are ignoring or feel they aren't actually needs.....Still need a better wr IMO and a NT wouldn't hurt....

Doesn't seem to really fill a significant need, but it's hard to have too much depth in the O-line.

G27RR
04-28-2012, 12:23 PM
Started 48 games at Center in the SEC. Plays with a nasty treak. He made the line calls and has a lot of experience. He's consistent and tough. Many expect he could start right away for many teams. 29 reps at he combine.

Maybe Brooks goes to RT and Jones goes to G (while we have Chris Myers, then Jones becomes our C).

b0ng
04-28-2012, 12:23 PM
Fire Smith, fire Kubiak, only let Wade pick.

Think I covered all the bases here.

Honoring Earl 34
04-28-2012, 12:25 PM
Caldwells on notice .

Thorn
04-28-2012, 12:25 PM
From what I'm reading, he seems to be a decent 4th round pick. I like that we've got two O linemen so far. Now we can go after the defensive backfield and another WR. And a QB in there someplace. :)

amazing80
04-28-2012, 12:27 PM
From what I'm reading, he seems to be a decent 4th round pick. I like that we've got two O linemen so far. Now we can go after the defensive backfield and another WR. And a QB in there someplace. :)

And a kicker :D

TimeKiller
04-28-2012, 12:27 PM
Good value, possibly an upgrade over Wade Smith at LG? In any case, Caldwell is done-skies lol....

Heath Shuler
04-28-2012, 12:29 PM
http://www.nfl.com/videos/auto/09000d5d828307e7/First-Draft-Ben-Jones

The Cush
04-28-2012, 12:29 PM
This was a guy the Titans fans wanted LOL. NFL.com has him with a 78.2 rating and was their second highest rated center in the draft. I'm glad they are solidifying O-Line depth.

Thorn
04-28-2012, 12:30 PM
And a kicker :D

Yep, one of those as well. We don't have a 7th round pick now, so they'll have to use the 5th or 6th to pick one up. I really don't think Smithiak will drafft a kicker in the 4th round.

Playoffs
04-28-2012, 12:31 PM
Really like this pick. I'm guessing he was Texans highest rated C with Konz's injury concerns.

If Myers went down this year, we'd be sunk. Now we have a natural C to step in, groom.

DerekLee1
04-28-2012, 12:31 PM
Surprised they passed on Massie for a center.

amazing80
04-28-2012, 12:32 PM
Yep, one of those as well. We don't have a 7th round pick now, so they'll have to use the 5th or 6th to pick one up. I really don't think Smithiak will drafft a kicker in the 4th round.

No, but hopefully a 6th on one....that way we ensure a great kicker and not risk signing just anyone with a leg in the free agency that will ensue later tonight

Thorn
04-28-2012, 12:32 PM
From CBS sports analysis page:

Pass blocking: Good initial quickness and recognition. Made the line calls. Impressive anchor. Absorbs some big punches against quicker, powerful DTs/NGs and after a short step back is able to hold his ground well. Good lateral agility to slide and mirror. Looks for someone to hit when not covered up. Could gain more explosiveness in his initial punch or when helping others. Run blocking: Good initial quickness off the snap to turn and seal off the defender. Possesses good size and strength for the drive block, as well, but comes out lunging, at times, and doesn't have the balance to correct himself and recover. A bit inconsistent with his hand placement, as well, getting too low and leaving himself vulnerable ...

The Pencil Neck
04-28-2012, 12:32 PM
I like this pick. I've been worried more about the interior of the line than the tackle position, although I did expect them to draft a tackle. But I think they like Newton and Butler.

This puts our younger guys on notice and hopefully starts some competition in the middle of our line between Caldwell, Smith, Brooks, and Jones.

He's a scrappy guy and that was probably Brisiel's best feature.

gtexan02
04-28-2012, 12:33 PM
We spent a lot to resign Myers and we draft a starter ready C?
I get that he's a good value pick, but there seems to be bigger needs

PapaL
04-28-2012, 12:33 PM
I'm thinking this guy plays G until the C position Opens up.

The Cush
04-28-2012, 12:33 PM
Surprised they passed on Massie for a center.

Mayock was wondering if there was some unknown medical condition with Massie that is causing an OT with 1st round potential to fall so far.

ziggy29
04-28-2012, 12:34 PM
Mayock was wondering if there was some unknown medical condition with Massie that is causing an OT with 1st round potential to fall so far.

There has to be something we're not aware of. There's no way he falls this far otherwise.

Thorn
04-28-2012, 12:35 PM
No, but hopefully a 6th on one....that way we ensure a great kicker and not risk signing just anyone with a leg in the free agency that will ensue later tonight

If it's a good kicker, just use the 5th round pick on him rather than let someone else have him. 5th round picks can be iffy anyway. Well, except for Yates. :)

bckey
04-28-2012, 12:36 PM
Surprised they passed on Massie for a center.


This^^^^^

ItsMyFault
04-28-2012, 12:36 PM
I like depth in the o-line. I'll take it. Fine with them filling quality depth at some of the more important positions.

WolverineFan
04-28-2012, 12:39 PM
There has to be something we're not aware of. There's no way he falls this far otherwise.

There were rumors about his intelligence (lack thereof) but that usually doesn't push talented players this far down the board.

Blake
04-28-2012, 12:40 PM
Good depth. Insurance for Myers. Probably a guard as well. Smart captain type.

What's with all the Massie love on this board?

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The Pencil Neck
04-28-2012, 12:42 PM
Good depth. Insurance for Myers. Probably a guard as well. Smart captain type.

What's with all the Massie love on this board?

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Massie's the highest rated tackle on the sheet.

Rey
04-28-2012, 12:42 PM
I like this pick. Good depth for myers and possibly a starter at guard down the road.

Marcus
04-28-2012, 12:42 PM
Surprised they passed on Massie for a center.

Why? Because Massie was on our "mocks" and Jones wasn't? :rolleyes:

Dutchrudder
04-28-2012, 12:42 PM
I'm happy with the pick. He has agood resume. I expect him to challenge Caldwell at RG. I'm guessing Brooks will be challenging W Smith at LG.

Heath Shuler
04-28-2012, 12:44 PM
We spent a lot to resign Myers and we draft a starter ready C?
I get that he's a good value pick, but there seems to be bigger needs

he can play G also

Marcus
04-28-2012, 12:44 PM
Massie's the highest rated tackle on the sheet.

On who's sheet?

76Texan
04-28-2012, 12:44 PM
Good solid pick for depth; nothing to complain about here.

ziggy29
04-28-2012, 12:45 PM
Massie's the highest rated tackle on the sheet.

Yeah, but that makes me wonder about the sheet. If all 32 teams are still passing on him there has to be something they know that isn't on the sheet.

bckey
04-28-2012, 12:45 PM
I can picture Wade in the war room scratching his head watching some of these offensive picks. Wtf are you guys doing? Let me draft some more defense.

TexCanada
04-28-2012, 12:47 PM
I'm very much on board with this pick. I love depth on the lines.

The Cush
04-28-2012, 12:47 PM
Did we even have a backup center before Jones? Wasn't that Austin guy a guard who never played center before air mailing that snap 15 feet above Delhomme's head in the Titans game?

ziggy29
04-28-2012, 12:47 PM
I can picture Wade in the war room scratching his head watching some of these offensive picks. Wtf are you guys doing? Let me draft some more defense.

The problem is that their main defensive need is at CB and there's really not much out there.

bckey
04-28-2012, 12:50 PM
I'm very much on board with this pick. I love depth on the lines.

Love it too. The 3rd rounders are a little puzzling but overall its been an ok draft. Need a cb, dt/de, wr, te and qb.

phantom17
04-28-2012, 12:50 PM
I can picture Wade in the war room scratching his head watching some of these offensive picks. Wtf are you guys doing? Let me draft some more defense.

Hopefully, he can slip some drugs in Smitiak drinks! LOL!:)

fiasco west
04-28-2012, 12:50 PM
I like it. Especially since these guys know their linemen.

DBCooper
04-28-2012, 12:51 PM
I'm thinking this guy plays G until the C position Opens up.

You're right.

If he can play guard well, then we have a backup center ready to go also.

Depth at 2 positions.

welsh texan
04-28-2012, 12:52 PM
There goes Massie to the Cards, from the sounds of things (purely what I'm reading here) he could be a really nice pickup, while in the middle of the 4th its no big deal if he isn't mentally capable of picking up a playbook.

Hoping Jones is able to play G in our system, that way they go into TC with loads of options and can just look at where to put these 2 OL, they've always kept themselves pretty well stocked on the line with the likes of Butler & Caldwell backing things up, no big surprise that they've restocked in hindsight, now please get some competition at WR, better to be cutting talented players out of camp than seeing poor quality start.

1000th post!!

Wolf
04-28-2012, 12:54 PM
Quoting John McClain, "Texans O line coach John Benton said C Ben Jones will learn both guard spots. Benton said Jones and G Brandon Brooks 2 could start at RG."
6 Minutes Ago

DocBar
04-28-2012, 12:55 PM
The problem is that their main defensive need is at CB and there's really not much out there.I would be more inclined to think depth at LB is a greater need than CB. We have some nice talent at CB if KJ can keep improving.
The only pick I really dislike so far is the WR.

ziggy29
04-28-2012, 12:55 PM
Hoping Jones is able to play G in our system, that way they go into TC with loads of options and can just look at where to put these 2 OL, they've always kept themselves pretty well stocked on the line with the likes of Butler & Caldwell backing things up, no big surprise that they've restocked in hindsight, now please get some competition at WR, better to be cutting talented players out of camp than seeing poor quality start.

If Jones can play G, I like the pick even more. He'd also be insurance at C if Myers goes down and could be the C of the future -- but in the meantime os much the better of he can play G.

ziggy29
04-28-2012, 12:56 PM
I would be more inclined to think depth at LB is a greater need than CB. We have some nice talent at CB if KJ can keep improving.
The only pick I really dislike so far is the WR.

OK, yeah, in terms of filling out depth I'd agree. I was more looking at guys who could step in and start given the relative weakness at the top of the depth chart there.

And KJ may be improving, but based on where he was starting, he still has a long way to go...

The Pencil Neck
04-28-2012, 12:56 PM
On who's sheet?

There was a spreadsheet posted right before the draft started. It's got the players and their rankings on several of the major sites and an average ranking.

I usually put a sheet like that together myself but didn't have the time this year.

IBleedTexans
04-28-2012, 12:58 PM
Did we even have a backup center before Jones? Wasn't that Austin guy a guard who never played center before air mailing that snap 15 feet above Delhomme's head in the Titans game?

I don't think people realize how much a back up center matters . Y'all seen what happened when our current backup came in. I like the pick , Im not exstatic about it, but i like it. If it's one thing Rick smith knows , it's drafting. He's shown us this.

#inRickitrust

The Pencil Neck
04-28-2012, 12:59 PM
Yeah, but that makes me wonder about the sheet. If all 32 teams are still passing on him there has to be something they know that isn't on the sheet.

Yeah. The sheet has the player rankings from several popular sites. BUT...

This happens every year. I usually put a sheet like this together for myself and then tweak some of the rankings with things I've heard. But there are always players who drop and rise. And it's just because we don't have the same rankings the pros are using and every team has their own ranking and none of anyone's rankings match up.

That's why it's kinda crazy to call someone a reach at this point. These mocks and things are really originally set up to try to figure out what the teams are going to do but no one has access to those teams' boards.

Errant Hothy
04-28-2012, 12:59 PM
Jones was a captain at UGA, something we know Smith and Kubiak like in their draft picks.

DocBar
04-28-2012, 01:00 PM
OK, yeah, in terms of filling out depth I'd agree. I was more looking at guys who could step in and start given the relative weakness at the top of the depth chart there.

And KJ may be improving, but based on where he was starting, he still has a long way to go...If anyone is going to challenge KJ this season or next, it's going to be Brandon Harris or Brice McCain. There's no way a rookie, especially a 3rd round or later pick, is going to challenge for a starting spot minus a miraculous preseason or a repeat of last seasons injury bug bites the secondary. If the latter happened, I would expect to see Quin move back to CB over said rookie.

ziggy29
04-28-2012, 01:02 PM
If anyone is going to challenge KJ this season or next, it's going to be Brandon Harris or Brice McCain. There's no way a rookie, especially a 3rd round or later pick, is going to challenge for a starting spot minus a miraculous preseason or a repeat of last seasons injury bug bites the secondary.
That was actually my point, in a roundabout way. There's just nothing there at CB down this low any more that would be an upgrade. So even though it's a need, there's nothing down here to get excited about.

bckey
04-28-2012, 01:03 PM
Maybe one of these corners

Dennard, Alfonzo
Minnifield, Chase
Brooks, Ron
Boykin, Brandon

And one of these dt/de

Crick, Jared
Chapman, Josh
Winn, Billy
Harris, Dajohn

or one of these wrs

Criner, Juron
Childs, Greg
Jones, Marvin
Streeter, Tommy
McNutt, Marvin

The Cush
04-28-2012, 01:05 PM
Ben Jones ripping up turf and eating it at an opponent's stadium..

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5449/7115818923_dff0d1443b.jpg

Here's a nice write up from a Georgia blog..

http://www.dawgsports.com/2012/4/28/2977059/2012-nfl-draft-houston-texans-pick-ben-jones

Thorn
04-28-2012, 01:09 PM
Ben Jones ripping up turf and eating it at an opponent's stadium..

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5449/7115818923_dff0d1443b.jpg

Here's a nice write up from a Georgia blog..

http://www.dawgsports.com/2012/4/28/2977059/2012-nfl-draft-houston-texans-pick-ben-jones

I like this guy even better now! :lol:

drs23
04-28-2012, 01:16 PM
And a kicker :D

I would almost bet on that in the 6th. Hope Cleveland doesn't snag him in the 5th. :kitten:

kiwitexansfan
04-28-2012, 01:54 PM
Why? Because Massie was on our "mocks" and Jones wasn't? :rolleyes:

I mocked him too us so iy must be a good pick because I'm a draft 'expert'.

:sarcasm:

kiwitexansfan
04-28-2012, 01:57 PM
Ben Jones ripping up turf and eating it at an opponent's stadium..

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5449/7115818923_dff0d1443b.jpg

Here's a nice write up from a Georgia blog..

http://www.dawgsports.com/2012/4/28/2977059/2012-nfl-draft-houston-texans-pick-ben-jones

That. Is. AWESOME.

kiwitexansfan
04-28-2012, 01:59 PM
One thing I remember reading about Jones is that he is a really good cut blocker.

Fits what we do well.

Corrosion
04-28-2012, 02:02 PM
Quoting John McClain, "Texans O line coach John Benton said C Ben Jones will learn both guard spots. Benton said Jones and G Brandon Brooks 2 could start at RG."
6 Minutes Ago

That makes sense since Caldwell is the backup to Myers .... Lots of versatility on the OL now with the additions of Brooks and Jones as both can play multiple positions as can Caldwell and Butler.

Rey
04-28-2012, 02:04 PM
Ben Jones ripping up turf and eating it at an opponent's stadium..

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5449/7115818923_dff0d1443b.jpg

Here's a nice write up from a Georgia blog..

http://www.dawgsports.com/2012/4/28/2977059/2012-nfl-draft-houston-texans-pick-ben-jones

That is excellent.

SW H-TOWN
04-28-2012, 02:20 PM
I did not have him on my radar because I thought he would be a better fit for a power blocking system. Good prospect and half crazy (love that).

IDEXAN
04-28-2012, 04:05 PM
I did not have him on my radar because I thought he would be a better fit for a power blocking system. Good prospect and half crazy (love that).
You gotta like the guys spunk and leadership and other "intangible" traits, but I don't see him as a zone-blocking type either because unlike Myers he's reportedly not really very athletic or quick. However I've got faith in the
offensive coachs led by Kubiak in knowing what they want in a prospect
for their system, so I'm more than patient to wait and see how they
use and develope this prospect.

ObsiWan
04-28-2012, 04:15 PM
Ben Jones ripping up turf and eating it at an opponent's stadium..

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5449/7115818923_dff0d1443b.jpg

Here's a nice write up from a Georgia blog..

http://www.dawgsports.com/2012/4/28/2977059/2012-nfl-draft-houston-texans-pick-ben-jones

I've heard of eating organic foods but this is a bit much
:lol:

ziggy29
04-28-2012, 04:17 PM
Ben Jones ripping up turf and eating it at an opponent's stadium..

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5449/7115818923_dff0d1443b.jpg

The salad bar is open!

Heath Shuler
04-28-2012, 04:38 PM
http://prod.images.texans.clubs.nflcdn.com/image-web/NFL/CDA/data/deployed/prod/TEXANS/assets/images/imported/HOU/photos/clubimages/2012/04-April/AP091128039111--nfl_mezz_1280_1024.jpg?width=960&height=720

Thorn
04-28-2012, 04:40 PM
Dude should shave, that's an ugly beard.

EllisUnit
04-28-2012, 04:48 PM
Fire Smith, fire Kubiak, only let Wade pick.

Think I covered all the bases here.

Joke right ???

We have a lot of offensive needs and they are doing a good job of filling them. We cant go D all the time every draft, we still need to score, open up lanes for foster and give Schaub time. So far i like every pick they have made. Now if they can trade J.J that will top it off as a pretty good off season/draft considering the cap circumstances.

kiwitexansfan
04-29-2012, 03:17 AM
http://prod.images.texans.clubs.nflcdn.com/image-web/NFL/CDA/data/deployed/prod/TEXANS/assets/images/imported/HOU/photos/clubimages/2012/04-April/AP091128039111--nfl_mezz_1280_1024.jpg?width=960&height=720

He wears that C on his chest for a reason, see his teammates in the background lapping it up.

Playoffs
04-29-2012, 03:21 PM
Ben Jones was one of the very few "Diamonds in the Rough" selections for Greg Cosell:

http://nflfilms.nfl.com/2012/04/10/cosell-talks-diamonds-in-the-rough/

Ben Jones: A four-year starter at center for Georgia, Jones was a very efficient player snap after snap. He played with excellent assignment discipline and execution. I loved his playing personality: He finished blocks, was competitive to the whistle, and had a bit of a nasty streak. Hes well-schooled in slide pass protection concepts, which transitions to the NFL. His limitation is his relative lack of athleticism, but that can be camouflaged based on a number of variables, including team, scheme and quarterback.

Wolf
04-30-2012, 09:47 PM
http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-media/videos/Texans-Daily-Final-Day-review/aa899277-94c5-4809-8904-da820c0b3e80

Texans Daily: Final Day review (3:25)
Check out what the Texans' position coaches thought about the Saturday picks in the 2012 Draft.
http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-media/videos/Texans-Daily-Final-Day-review/aa899277-94c5-4809-8904-da820c0b3e80

Big Lou
05-01-2012, 02:51 PM
I like this guy even better now! :lol:

Great we already have a PED problem in the locker room, now this guy will test positive for grass!!!!!

76Texan
05-21-2012, 01:53 PM
OK, so I skipped 3 games on Jones' Sr resume since two of them were against smaller shools and the third one was a blow-out win for the Bulldogs against Auburn.

Ben Jones fits the Texans scheme to a T.
He's a better prospect at Center for the Texans than Caldwell was (I also watched pretty much all of Caldwell's games in his Sr year at Alabama).

Some had compared Jones to Myers; I think it's a pretty good comparison.
Their games are quite similar.
I see Jones as the heir apparent to Myers in the future.

Will he play well early enough to force a move to G?
That's a strong possibility as well.

I have absolutely no worry about the Texans interior O-line now.

A more in-depth look at Jones will follow.

76Texan
05-21-2012, 02:11 PM
Jones had gone head-up against 2 first rounders in this draft and at least 7 others who were drafted, plus some UDFA signees and future draft picks.
Some of the names include: Fletcher Cox (Miss St), M. Brockers (LSU), J. Worthy (Mich St).

Overall, he did very well.

If you read some negativity at the Senior Bowl (against Mike Martin - Mich and Tamu - Wash / on one play), you might want to remember that the South team was coached by Shannahan). It was a mix of ZBS and gap, and not a power scheme. The Center is not asked to get a strong push downfield.

You might also read that Jones had a bad play or two in the first two games of the season. They were true, but in the grand scheme of thing, they were insignificant in those games themselves, and especially when you look at the whole body of work.

Officially, Jones was not charged with any sack allowed - and I agree with that.
He was very efficient in pass-pro; in fact, you can count on one hand the number of times he allowed QB pressure/hurry the whole season long (14 games plus the Sr. Bowl).

76Texan
05-21-2012, 02:31 PM
Jones is a very smart O-lineman that understands angle.
He will work to sustain the block as to allow the best path possible for the runner.
He's very profficient at hook-blocking, something we saw Myers did very well last year in the Texans running game.
His connection rate on the second level beats Caldwell by several miles (at the same stage in their respective career).
Very seldom do you find Jones hesitant when he doesn't make the connection. He keeps on trucking to find the next target.

In both aspects of the game, pass block and run block, you can count on him to find a target (as compared to other Centers) or keep working to find one.
Either he has good instinct for the game or he has a good grasp of defensive schemes and concepts - perhaps both. (Being a 4-yr starter at the same position also helped, obviously).

On top of that, the Bulldogs were doing a lot of the same thing the Texans have been doing; I see a smooth transition for Jones. Knock on wood.

The Pencil Neck
05-21-2012, 03:04 PM
This pleases me.

One of my big fears going into this offseason was the interior OL. I feel better about it now and can't wait for preseason to see these youngsters get some action.

Blake
05-21-2012, 03:06 PM
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_gu1wlAwdunU/TGIb7VMA-tI/AAAAAAAAA9k/HDCHIsOAn0k/s400/free-MrBurnsExcellent.gif

76Texan
05-21-2012, 03:19 PM
Notes:

Jones did line up against at least half a dozen guys in the 320-340 lb range and he held his own.

Also, every time the Bulldogs need a yard or so on third down or near the goal line, they found success behind Jones.

I don't think they failed a conversion behind him.
There were double-team at least half of the times, but still, the same cannot be said when they tried to do it differently.

76Texan
05-21-2012, 04:11 PM
Other notes:

The Bulldogs's deep threat was hurt around the midway point during the season and missed two games; it's hard to tell at what level he was playing at the end of the season.

Their top RB was also hurt down the stretch (two different injuries).
He also missed 2 games and was ineffective in 3 other games.
Their second RB also missed two games and was equally ineffective down the stretch.
The other 2 RBs came in and contribute several fumbles.

This forced the QB to try too hard.
Against LSU, for example, the Bulldogs clearly outplayed the Tigers in the first half, but 5 dropped balls (at least 2 of them were sure TDs) and a fumble killed their drives while LSU scored a lone TD on a punt return.

Jones did well on the interior the whole game against a very tout LSU rotation.