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Thorn
04-27-2012, 07:49 PM
Jesus H fricking Chr5ist I'm only going to stay sobor for a certain amount of time. I don't need this ****.

Dutchrudder
04-27-2012, 07:49 PM
I'm guessing we get their 4th for moving back 10 spots.

kiwitexansfan
04-27-2012, 07:49 PM
let's see what they got before bragging

Who are you bringing sense to the table.

Naiirb
04-27-2012, 07:50 PM
Greg Schiano could reunite with Sanu if they pick him at our spot

rmartin65
04-27-2012, 07:50 PM
And then traded back up? I am seeing we have the 58th pick.

Scratch that, cbssportsline being all funny on me.

kiwitexansfan
04-27-2012, 07:50 PM
68 & 76?

Doppelganger
04-27-2012, 07:50 PM
What did we get back?

ZachLV27
04-27-2012, 07:51 PM
68 and 99, I believe

GP
04-27-2012, 07:51 PM
Yay! Now we can watch 2nd round talent go to the other teams!

I hate trading down. Had Randle there for the taking.

Dutchrudder
04-27-2012, 07:51 PM
We may be eyed on Konz but gone so decided to trade down?

Go Texans!!!

I think that, but it could be the Broncos pick that forced us back.

ObsiWan
04-27-2012, 07:51 PM
Jesus H fricking Chr5ist I'm only going to stay sobor for a certain amount of time. I don't need this ****.

Damn, what you gonna do next year when we're picking 32nd?
:D

NCTexan
04-27-2012, 07:51 PM
So wait, what did we get for the trade?

Thorn
04-27-2012, 07:51 PM
It seems we have the 5th pick in the 3rs round

TexCanada
04-27-2012, 07:51 PM
Nice, I like it.

NitroGSXR
04-27-2012, 07:51 PM
We got their third and two fourths... I think...

TheMatrix31
04-27-2012, 07:51 PM
Awesome, we get another 4th rounder. Gave up our 7th.

GuerillaBlack
04-27-2012, 07:52 PM
Why would the Texans need to give up a seventh?

redwhiteANDblue
04-27-2012, 07:52 PM
Really hope we get rueben randle

SAMURAITEXAN
04-27-2012, 07:52 PM
#5 pick in 3rd and 4th. Not bad at all. We now have two 3rd rd pick and three 4th rd pick.

Go Texans!!!

Thorn
04-27-2012, 07:53 PM
Damn, what you gonna do next year when we're picking 32nd?
:D

smoke more pot. It now costs me $600 a year to smoke cigs at my company, might as well enjoy myself.

Naiirb
04-27-2012, 07:53 PM
Osweiler the heir apparent to Manning in Denver

rmartin65
04-27-2012, 07:53 PM
Why would the Texans need to give up a seventh?

I dont understand that either. Mind you, a 7th is pretty much worthless. But still, I think the 2nd for a 3rd and 4th is fair value. Us adding the 7th seems a little... weird.

Topher
04-27-2012, 07:53 PM
Texans trade No. 58 and No. 233 to Buccaneers for No. 68 and No. 126

Marcus
04-27-2012, 07:53 PM
Traded out of the 2nd round for another 3rd and 4th round pick.

bckey
04-27-2012, 07:53 PM
There must be something on Ruben Randle that we don't know.

badboy
04-27-2012, 07:53 PM
68 & 76?yep + their 4th giving us three in that round

kiwitexansfan
04-27-2012, 07:54 PM
#5 pick in 3rd and 4th. Not bad at all. We now have two 3rd rd pick and three 4th rd pick.

Go Texans!!!

Awesome opportunity to add solid contributors.

Some decent WR value in those rounds especially.

Dutchrudder
04-27-2012, 07:54 PM
Osweiler the heir apparent to Manning in Denver

Heir apparent to Joel Dreessen?

Lucky
04-27-2012, 07:54 PM
The Texans get #68 and #126. The Texans own the 4th round, now.

fiasco west
04-27-2012, 07:54 PM
Learn from Manning.....lol good luck.

TheRealJoker
04-27-2012, 07:54 PM
We have 2 early 3rds and 3 4ths.

Time to reload!!!

SmoochyTX
04-27-2012, 07:54 PM
Osweiler the heir apparent to Manning in Denver

Osweiler is one big dude! Dang!

Big Lou
04-27-2012, 07:54 PM
guess we will have to use our 6th on Bullock, rather than a 7th, but probably have to do that anyway.

Marcus
04-27-2012, 07:55 PM
There must be something on Ruben Randle that we don't know.

I agree.

I bet he's devastated.

Thorn
04-27-2012, 07:55 PM
We're not listed anywehre in the 3rd round except for 5th pick. what the hell did we trade for?

ObsiWan
04-27-2012, 07:55 PM
We had to trade back. No one showed up to announce our pick.
:D

mussop
04-27-2012, 07:55 PM
This is what we now have.




3rd 68, 76
4th 99, 121, 126
5th 161
6th 195

Thorn
04-27-2012, 07:56 PM
opps also the 13th

kiwitexansfan
04-27-2012, 07:56 PM
LAVONTE DAVID!!

Go Big Red!!!!

Bucs got a real football player!!

Do they still run the tampa 2? He'll be great in that

Brando
04-27-2012, 07:57 PM
FWIW from McClain.....

Texans have 7 picks in the third through sixth rounds -- none in 2nd and 7th. I feel they'll draft a kicker for first time in team history.

Thorn
04-27-2012, 07:58 PM
we got the 5th and 13th in the 3rd round.

badboy
04-27-2012, 07:58 PM
guess we will have to use our 6th on Bullock, rather than a 7th, but probably have to do that anyway.he's my 6th but Texans may not want to draft a kicker

SmoochyTX
04-27-2012, 07:58 PM
This is what we now have.




3rd 68, 76
4th 99, 121, 126
5th 161
6th 195

I like this.

Thorn
04-27-2012, 07:58 PM
we still got the 4th and 26th in the 4th round.

arb729
04-27-2012, 07:59 PM
from what i understand/have heard, each draft slot as a "point value" assigned to it (informally by each team). since the drafted players themselves have different value to each team, you look into the further rounds by seeing the value of the pick at that time. not sure if that makes sense in writing but that's the best it's ever been explained to me

TimeKiller
04-27-2012, 07:59 PM
Idk, definitely a few players hanging around I wouldn't mind taking

Ole Miss Texan
04-27-2012, 07:59 PM
I was so confused looking at the bottom line and not seeing Texans. WTF!!?! Haha. I bet some of the guys we coveted got selected so we decided to trade down and get better value. I like it!

I want us to take Russell Wilson QB from Wisconsin at some point. I know that probably sounds crazy but I think he has a real good shot at being something special in the pros. With our team how it is and all our picks I think it's a luxury as can afford.

SAMURAITEXAN
04-27-2012, 08:00 PM
Awesome opportunity to add solid contributors.

Some decent WR value in those rounds especially.

Agree with you 100%! 5picks between 3rd and 4th! We should be able to find contributors at OL, NT, CB, WR for sure.


Go Texans!!!
Go Rick!!!

mussop
04-27-2012, 08:01 PM
9 picks to go and these guys are still available. Have a feeling we are going OG WR with our next two picks


Brandon Thompson DT Clemson
Bobbie Massie OT Mississippi
Senio Kelemete OG Washington
Kirk Cousins QB Michigan State (surprise) Use him for more picks!
Brandon Brooks OG Miami (Oh)
Brandon Washington OG Miami (OT)
Greg Childs WR Arkansas
Alameda Ta'amu DT Washington (X)

The Pencil Neck
04-27-2012, 08:01 PM
I come back from the emergency room, totally high, and find out... this...

I don't even know what I'm feeling right now. I don't know if I'm happy or sad.

badboy
04-27-2012, 08:02 PM
didn't some want to get to be like NE? Here we go. haha not first trade down but that will happen next year. I am so hopeful this could be a good draft for us. Would love to see Thompson to fall to us in 3rd.

Nawzer
04-27-2012, 08:02 PM
They definitely targeted someone and once that player got drafted they traded out. Won't surprise me at all if we trade one of those 4th rounders and a 5th for another 3rd rounder.

Thorn
04-27-2012, 08:02 PM
for chrits sakes we are not even out of the second rouind yet and we don't pick till the 3 rd round.

mussop
04-27-2012, 08:03 PM
perfect fit in baltimore

SAMURAITEXAN
04-27-2012, 08:03 PM
I come back from the emergency room, totally high, and find out... this...

I don't even know what I'm feeling right now. I don't know if I'm happy or sad.

I am happy Pencil Neck.

Blake
04-27-2012, 08:03 PM
I think they are targeting Zebrie Sanders.

Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk

kiwitexansfan
04-27-2012, 08:03 PM
I was so confused looking at the bottom line and not seeing Texans. WTF!!?! Haha. I bet some of the guys we coveted got selected so we decided to trade down and get better value. I like it!

I want us to take Russell Smith QB from Wisconsin at some point. I know that probably sounds crazy but I think he has a real good shot at being something special in the pros. With our team how it is and all our picks I think it's a luxury as can afford.

I really like Russel Wilson from Wisconsin as a development QB, not sure about this Smith character :kitten:

WolverineFan
04-27-2012, 08:04 PM
I like adding picks here, this is the deepest draft in years. We have 5 picks in the next 2 rounds and can fill a lot of holes with those picks.

Good draft so far.

Thorn
04-27-2012, 08:04 PM
I come back from the emergency room, totally high, and find out... this...

I don't even know what I'm feeling right now. I don't know if I'm happy or sad.

Its still gonna be a bit before you find out how you feel.

mussop
04-27-2012, 08:04 PM
for chrits sakes we are not even out of the second rouind yet and we don't pick till the 3 rd round.

only a 7 more picks Thorn calm down buddy.

badboy
04-27-2012, 08:04 PM
let's hope the 3rd and 4th is as deep as many said.

mussop
04-27-2012, 08:05 PM
I really like Russel Wilson from Wisconsin as a development QB, not sure about this Smith character :kitten:

Me to but not this soon.

Naiirb
04-27-2012, 08:05 PM
So if Randle dosen't get picked in the 2nd does he become the first player ever to still be in the green room after 2 rounds? If so yikes i feel sorry for the guy

Wolf
04-27-2012, 08:05 PM
pats traded down, bill is working the draft like Jimmy Johnson

:kitten:

badboy
04-27-2012, 08:06 PM
I think they are targeting Zebrie Sanders.

Sent from my DROID RAZR using TapatalkHe'd be the first one I picked correctly!

mussop
04-27-2012, 08:06 PM
let's hope the 3rd and 4th is as deep as many said.

It will be. I said a month ago that there will be many quality players that fit our Texans in the 3rd and 4th.

TimeKiller
04-27-2012, 08:06 PM
definitely expecting a few OL and WR picks here. Lots of talent available at low cost, just how Smithiak likes it.

Thorn
04-27-2012, 08:07 PM
only a 7 more picks Thorn calm down buddy.

Time to clean the bong. LOL

This **** stires me up, when I know better. Some of these guys will kick ass, and some will be complete failures.

SheTexan
04-27-2012, 08:07 PM
THANKS to all you guys for keeping up with all this craziness. I was patiently waiting for our #58 pick and BOOM, nothing! I knew I could come here and find out what happened! You guys are GREAT, and I'm very appreciative for all you have done to keep us updated!!! :fans:

Dutchrudder
04-27-2012, 08:07 PM
Is TE Dwayne Allen still available?

TimeKiller
04-27-2012, 08:08 PM
Yeah, Allen is still up for grabs.

kiwitexansfan
04-27-2012, 08:08 PM
Is TE Dwayne Allen still available?

Yes sir.

Ole Miss Texan
04-27-2012, 08:08 PM
I really like Russel Wilson from Wisconsin as a development QB, not sure about this Smith character :kitten:

Baahh!!! Nice catch! Son of a ***, my buddy's last name is Smith and I was asking him about the trade. Haha

Russell Wilson is better ;)

Lucky
04-27-2012, 08:09 PM
9 picks to go and these guys are still available. Have a feeling we are going OG WR with our next two picks

There are a couple of CBs I like, too in Josh Robinson and Trumaine Johnson. I really didn't think they would drop this far.

kiwitexansfan
04-27-2012, 08:09 PM
LaMichael James will be a nice weapon and change of pace to Gore.

Allstar
04-27-2012, 08:10 PM
Can anybody give me a mini scouting report on Ta'amu?

badboy
04-27-2012, 08:10 PM
Is TE Dwayne Allen still available?

yes

Thorn
04-27-2012, 08:11 PM
Ah for Christs sakes, we got another six picks in fron of us.

kiwitexansfan
04-27-2012, 08:12 PM
Brandon Brooks is still there, aren't some of you big Brooks fans?

TheMatrix31
04-27-2012, 08:13 PM
Ah for Christs sakes, we got another six picks in fron of us.

We'll let you know what happens dude, go do something else if you need to lol

HouSportsWriter
04-27-2012, 08:14 PM
Ah for Christs sakes, we got another six picks in fron of us.

The picks time limit drops so time will go by faster.

Lucky
04-27-2012, 08:14 PM
3 really good fits for the Texans at NT. Should the Texans get Wade one more player, then hand the draft to Kubiak?

P.S. Does Crick have a medical red flag?

Dutchrudder
04-27-2012, 08:14 PM
I'm really starting to loathe watching this. It's sooooo slow. 2 picks, commercial, repeat x 20...

If I weren't sick, I would be doing something else.

Thorn
04-27-2012, 08:14 PM
We'll let you know what happens dude, go do something else if you need to lol

It's OK. I've cleaned the pipe and ordered pizza. I should be able to calm down soon enough. :lol:

badboy
04-27-2012, 08:14 PM
Can anybody give me a mini scouting report on Ta'amu?Once consider to be first round pick as anose tackle. Despite a bit too much fat can hold his own. He suffered a bit after breaking a hand in early season and took time to recover. I focused on him in Senior bowl for endurance and I was pleased. I had him as later second round. Not a QB disruption but will close the middle down. Will get better with right coaching and conditioning program.

WolverineFan
04-27-2012, 08:15 PM
Brandon Brooks is still there, aren't some of you big Brooks fans?

Yes, really like Brooks.

We should get some good players here in the next 2 rounds.

kingh99
04-27-2012, 08:15 PM
The Texans already have a stud squad to run onto the field. What they do by trading back to high middle rounds is load up on pissed off overlooked players, guys who come in with low contracts and bad attitudes toward the teams that passed on them after showing interest. Perfect complimentary players in a Superbowl run.

michaelm
04-27-2012, 08:15 PM
LaMichael James will be a nice weapon and change of pace to Gore.


Confused by this pick. They just took a similar back in Kendall Hunter last year, and he showed some promise behind Gore.
Maybe I don't know enough about LaMichael James? Maybe he and Hunter are not so similar?

The Pencil Neck
04-27-2012, 08:15 PM
I am happy Pencil Neck.

If you're happy, then I'm happy.

But hydrocodone does that to me.

The Pencil Neck
04-27-2012, 08:16 PM
Well, Randle finally goes.

Xcellerator
04-27-2012, 08:16 PM
Randle finally gone.

Topher
04-27-2012, 08:17 PM
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn71/Evil-K/Rage%20faces/troll-sad-troll-face.png

Nawzer
04-27-2012, 08:17 PM
A happy ending for Reuben Randle. I think it's a great place for him to go.

Mr teX
04-27-2012, 08:17 PM
&^%^$%$#!!!!!!!!!!!

NitroGSXR
04-27-2012, 08:17 PM
It's OK. I've cleaned the pipe and ordered pizza. I should be able to calm down soon enough. :lol:

Don't forget the Funyuns man!!!

The Pencil Neck
04-27-2012, 08:18 PM
Wait.

There's still Sanu, Trumaine Johnson, Bobby Massie, Nick Toon, Jared Crick...

Wow.

kiwitexansfan
04-27-2012, 08:18 PM
3 really good fits for the Texans at NT. Should the Texans get Wade one more player, then hand the draft to Kubiak?

P.S. Does Crick have a medical red flag?

I don't think so, I think he is fully recovered.

GuerillaBlack
04-27-2012, 08:19 PM
Giants are pretty good at taking receivers. Randle will perform.

speedfreek
04-27-2012, 08:19 PM
If Kubiak thought they could get Randal in the third, he should be hit in the sack with a crowbar.

Thank God Wade is (apparently) handling the defensive picks..

TJ

kiwitexansfan
04-27-2012, 08:19 PM
Mike Martin.

Haven't the Texans been all over him.

Book it.

Wolf
04-27-2012, 08:20 PM
colts 2 TE drafted

Xcellerator
04-27-2012, 08:21 PM
Another TE for Colts?

NitroGSXR
04-27-2012, 08:21 PM
TE #2 for the Colts!

Naiirb
04-27-2012, 08:21 PM
Colts with Fleener and Allen? Luck must be running their draft trying to recreate the Stanford offense lol

Nawzer
04-27-2012, 08:21 PM
Wow really like Colts draft. I think they'll be the 2nd best team in the AFC South.

fiasco west
04-27-2012, 08:21 PM
Colts with another TE? Really? They have too many holes to fill...

Brandon420tx
04-27-2012, 08:21 PM
Probably to counter our dime defense

NCTexan
04-27-2012, 08:21 PM
Colts are going surprisingly offense heavy to me. I figured they'd get some defensive players...

Naiirb
04-27-2012, 08:22 PM
Damn Trumaine Johnson off the board. Liked him as a prospect for the Texans

TimeKiller
04-27-2012, 08:22 PM
Damn. Good players are coming off the board...

mussop
04-27-2012, 08:22 PM
Brandon Thompson DT Clemson
Bobbie Massie OT Mississippi
Senio Kelemete OG Washington
Kirk Cousins QB Michigan State (surprise) Use him for more picks!
Brandon Brooks OG Miami (Oh)
Brandon Washington OG Miami (OT)
Greg Childs WR Arkansas
Alameda Ta'amu DT Washington (X)

Mr teX
04-27-2012, 08:22 PM
If Kubiak thought they could get Randal in the third, he should be hit in the sack with a crowbar.

Thank God Wade is (apparently) handling the defensive picks..

TJ

I mean the guy did slide all the way to the end of the 2nd round...not really a bad thought there.

Xcellerator
04-27-2012, 08:22 PM
Bobby Massie would be good for us. Denver jumped in front of us.

kiwitexansfan
04-27-2012, 08:22 PM
Nice draft so far for the Rams, if the picks pan out.

WolverineFan
04-27-2012, 08:22 PM
colts 2 TE drafted

Smart. Obvious they are going to try and replicate the Stanford offense in some fashion. Good value on both guys.

GP
04-27-2012, 08:23 PM
The brain trust better produce some EFFING unbelievable gems for trading out of the 2nd round. GEMS.

Brandon420tx
04-27-2012, 08:23 PM
Smart. Obvious they are going to try and replicate the Stanford offense in some fashion. Good value on both guys.

Not only that, it keeps our Dime Defense off the field, which was our best formation last year

badboy
04-27-2012, 08:24 PM
If Kubiak thought they could get Randal in the third, he should be hit in the sack with a crowbar.

Thank God Wade is (apparently) handling the defensive picks..

TJhuge assumption on your part that Kubes wanted Randle

TheMatrix31
04-27-2012, 08:24 PM
**** the legacy of Dallas Clark.

Get the Colts off the field on third down, please.

The Pencil Neck
04-27-2012, 08:24 PM
Massie or Sanu.

Or Crick.

Dutchrudder
04-27-2012, 08:24 PM
Denver traded up one spot ahead of us, who are they trying to steal?

kingh99
04-27-2012, 08:24 PM
Colts are going surprisingly offense heavy to me. I figured they'd get some defensive players...

They don't want to ruin young QB's confidence. It's going to get ruined anyway but they get points for trying. #BullRush

mussop
04-27-2012, 08:25 PM
There are a couple of CBs I like, too in Josh Robinson and Trumaine Johnson. I really didn't think they would drop this far.

They are gone now. I really liked tehm too.

Thorn
04-27-2012, 08:25 PM
OK, a pick away after the horsies.

Dutchrudder
04-27-2012, 08:25 PM
Ronnie who?

fiasco west
04-27-2012, 08:25 PM
Lol a RB okay...no worries there then.

Naiirb
04-27-2012, 08:25 PM
Texans about to pick!!

NCTexan
04-27-2012, 08:25 PM
They don't want to ruin young QB's confidence. It's going to get ruined anyway but they get points for trying. #BullRush

Ah that makes sense. I was thinking more of taking some pressure off of him to score as much by shoring up the defense, but having receivers for him makes sense too.

JCTexan
04-27-2012, 08:25 PM
Htown is on the clock.

Nawzer
04-27-2012, 08:25 PM
Here comes the Texans pick...I'm predicting long snapper here.

Xcellerator
04-27-2012, 08:26 PM
Bobby Massie!!! C'mon!

kiwitexansfan
04-27-2012, 08:26 PM
I'm calling Mike Martin.

TheMatrix31
04-27-2012, 08:26 PM
Hahahaha, they go to commercial again. ****.

TexansLucky13
04-27-2012, 08:26 PM
Commercial break!!!!

Brandon420tx
04-27-2012, 08:26 PM
Cmon hot dog vendor!

Thorn
04-27-2012, 08:26 PM
Cool. We're up :)

CharloTex
04-27-2012, 08:26 PM
Here comes the Texans pick...I'm predicting long snapper here.

No, here comes a commercial break.

Brando
04-27-2012, 08:26 PM
yep sure commercial break we're freakin used to it now. ***holes

Vinny
04-27-2012, 08:26 PM
commercial breaks are a NFL tradition for us

mussop
04-27-2012, 08:27 PM
Brandon Thompson DT Clemson
Bobbie Massie OT Mississippi
Senio Kelemete OG Washington
Kirk Cousins QB Michigan State (surprise) Use him for more picks!
Brandon Brooks OG Miami (Oh)
Brandon Washington OG Miami (OT)
Greg Childs WR Arkansas
Alameda Ta'amu DT Washington (X)


I say one of the bolded

The Pencil Neck
04-27-2012, 08:27 PM
They are killing me here.

Thorn
04-27-2012, 08:27 PM
..........got google ready LOL

fiasco west
04-27-2012, 08:27 PM
Of course the commercial break during our pick. Never fails.

GP
04-27-2012, 08:28 PM
Denver traded up one spot ahead of us, who are they trying to steal?

Well hell, who cares. I mean...we trade DOWN! We deserve to get someone stolen from us.

We lost a WR who has range and hands (Reuben Randle) by trading down.

At this point, if we freaking trade down again I'm going to play some Battlefield 1943 and call it a night.

Kaiser Toro
04-27-2012, 08:28 PM
Commercial breaks = Bulls on Parade

badboy
04-27-2012, 08:28 PM
Please don't leave me confused and dumbfounded. oh Please!

Maddict5
04-27-2012, 08:28 PM
The brain trust better produce some EFFING unbelievable gems for trading out of the 2nd round. GEMS.

aka guys you've heard of :kubepalm:

Allstar
04-27-2012, 08:28 PM
..........got google ready LOL

:lol:

TimeKiller
04-27-2012, 08:29 PM
lord help me THE PICK IS IN SHOW US ALREADY

michaelm
04-27-2012, 08:29 PM
Awesome. ESPN has been showing that our pick was in since well before they went to commercial. I guess they had to go to commercial because NFLN was already on theirs...

GP
04-27-2012, 08:29 PM
Brandon Thompson DT Clemson
Bobbie Massie OT Mississippi
Senio Kelemete OG Washington
Kirk Cousins QB Michigan State (surprise) Use him for more picks!
Brandon Brooks OG Miami (Oh)
Brandon Washington OG Miami (OT)
Greg Childs WR Arkansas
Alameda Ta'amu DT Washington (X)


I say one of the bolded

You also had this sort of list and all the OL bolded...we went with a LB.

Which makes me think we'll take Childs the WR.

;)

WolverineFan
04-27-2012, 08:29 PM
Marvin Jones, Brandon Thompson, or Mike Martin please.

Dutchrudder
04-27-2012, 08:30 PM
Wtf?

NCTexan
04-27-2012, 08:30 PM
Who?

Info from the draftniks?

Stemp
04-27-2012, 08:30 PM
Well, we got a WR.
DeVier Posey - WR - tOSU

Xcellerator
04-27-2012, 08:30 PM
A bit of a reach for Posey for WR. :(

TheMatrix31
04-27-2012, 08:30 PM
Well....you better be good kid.

Allstar
04-27-2012, 08:30 PM
Hmmmm

JCTexan
04-27-2012, 08:30 PM
And the Texans take...Devier Posey, WR, Ohio State.

TimeKiller
04-27-2012, 08:30 PM
Wow...really? Huge reach imo...

fiasco west
04-27-2012, 08:30 PM
Who the F is this guy?

Thorn
04-27-2012, 08:30 PM
Posey? What? A flower garden western?

Sorry. Looking him up

Big Lou
04-27-2012, 08:30 PM
See ya Jacoby!

SAMURAITEXAN
04-27-2012, 08:30 PM
Devier Posey? Is he good?

The Pencil Neck
04-27-2012, 08:30 PM
Well. Not a guy I expected.

Naiirb
04-27-2012, 08:30 PM
Wooow was not expecting Posey

GP
04-27-2012, 08:30 PM
Looks SLOW AS HELL.

Kevin Walter 2.0

FUUUUUCCC.........

Hate it.

kiwitexansfan
04-27-2012, 08:31 PM
Who?

Info from the draftniks?

I consider myself fairly well informed and I have NO IDEA.

rmartin65
04-27-2012, 08:31 PM
NOOOOO.... no.

Posey is a JAG in the NFL.

digitalswim
04-27-2012, 08:31 PM
Biography: Three-year starter who finished with 12 receptions/162 yards/2 TDs as a senior. Played in just three games last year after serving a suspension for his participation in the Ohio State tattoo scandal. Junior totals included 53/848/7 after he had 60/828/8 as a sophomore.

Positives: Physically gifted receiver who's flashed big-time ability throughout his career. Solid route runner who quickly gets into breaks and stays low on exit. Sells routes, effectively works back into the clearing of the defense and makes himself an available target. Gets vertical in a crowd and comes down with the ball. Makes a lot of athletic receptions. Effectively uses his frame to shield away defenders and protect the ball. Easily makes downfield, over-the-shoulder catches, looking the pass into his hands. Immediately transitions from making the catch to running after the reception.

Negatives: Lacks a quick release off the line into pass routes. Does not show a sense of timing. Not a true downfield threat.

Analysis: Posey was a consistent performer at Ohio State before being sidelined by a suspension most of last year. Though unpolished in many areas, he offers enough upside to develop into a second wideout on a roster.

Projection: 6th

SmoochyTX
04-27-2012, 08:31 PM
Seems like a tough guy.

mussop
04-27-2012, 08:31 PM
Could of done better but he's ok.

ObsiWan
04-27-2012, 08:31 PM
Please don't leave me confused and dumbfounded. oh Please!

I'll bet they did, didn't they?

GlassHalfFull
04-27-2012, 08:31 PM
See ya Jacoby!

This

Topher
04-27-2012, 08:31 PM
http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae289/MarkTheMayer/1274774522618.jpg

NCTexan
04-27-2012, 08:31 PM
I went to highschool with t.j. Graham!

kiwitexansfan
04-27-2012, 08:31 PM
Not a high character guy, got suspended from school.

Big Lou
04-27-2012, 08:32 PM
Any relation to LB Jeff Posey?

The Pencil Neck
04-27-2012, 08:32 PM
Looks like the "experts" had the WRs ranked a little different than the pros did.

WolverineFan
04-27-2012, 08:32 PM
Posey was a really good WR as a Junior at Ohio State. Guy would have been a 2nd round pick if the NCAA didn't screw him over and suspend him for 11 games last year.

I hate OSU, but this kid can play. Should be a very good #2 option for us, as much as I hate to say it.

ObsiWan
04-27-2012, 08:32 PM
Could of done better but he's ok.

You know WRs have to block well in our offense.
Dude looks like he's difficult to push around.

TheMatrix31
04-27-2012, 08:32 PM
Friend who's a fan of the Big Ten says he's a "thug ass *****".

Fantastic.

GP
04-27-2012, 08:32 PM
LMAO.

Who ran last year's draft? WADE PHILLIPS.

****, look at TJ Graham. Looks hella' better than Posey.

Muther f-------. HATE it. H-A-T-E it.

We trade down...for POSEY?

Big Lou
04-27-2012, 08:32 PM
Not a high character guy, got suspended from school.

Couldn't you say that about any prospect out of Ohio State?

SmoochyTX
04-27-2012, 08:32 PM
OK guys, who do you want us to take next?

badboy
04-27-2012, 08:33 PM
Positives: Good quickness off the line. Has size and quickness to get off NFL press. Generally reliable receiver capable of making difficult catches in traffic over the middle or one on one down the sideline. Adjusts to poor throws in any direction. Finds his way through traffic on crossing routes. Comes back to the ball to help his scrambling quarterback. Gives effort as a blocker on run plays. Negatives: Inconsistent high-pointing passes. Allows too many throws into his body when facing the quarterback. Does not own elite speed. Freezes at times when trying to juke defenders in space. Walls off his man as a blocker, allowing them to shed and make the play outside.

TexCanada
04-27-2012, 08:33 PM
Oh Jags. A Punter?

Naiirb
04-27-2012, 08:33 PM
LOL Jags drafted a punter in the 3rd hahahaa

Thorn
04-27-2012, 08:33 PM
:lol:

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7073025/ncaa-suspends-ohio-state-buckeyes-devier-posey-five-more-games

I'm still googling.

NCTexan
04-27-2012, 08:33 PM
LMAO.

Who ran last year's draft? WADE PHILLIPS.

****, look at TJ Graham. Looks hella' better than Posey.

Muther f-------. HATE it. H-A-T-E it.

We trade down...for POSEY?

TJ Graham is fast, but his hands aren't great.

Xcellerator
04-27-2012, 08:33 PM
LMFAO at the JAGS

The Pencil Neck
04-27-2012, 08:33 PM
Am I just getting confused by the last 4 picks becuase I'm on drugs? Or has this been a bizarre 4 pick stretch?

kiwitexansfan
04-27-2012, 08:34 PM
Posey was a really good WR as a Junior at Ohio State. Guy would have been a 2nd round pick if the NCAA didn't screw him over and suspend him for 11 games last year.

I hate OSU, but this kid can play. Should be a very good #2 option for us, as much as I hate to say it.

That says a lot coming from a Michigan fan.

Dutchrudder
04-27-2012, 08:34 PM
Kubiak loves Jacoby so much that he's lowering the bar for training camp to justify him being on the team...

SAMURAITEXAN
04-27-2012, 08:34 PM
Punter hit with Anger!!! Must be a great one.

TheMatrix31
04-27-2012, 08:35 PM
Who cares. Field position and competent special teams win and lose games on a regular basis.

Good for Jacksoffville.

keyser
04-27-2012, 08:35 PM
Posey:
Ranked 193rd best player by CBS Sports (NFLDraftScout.com)
Ranked 116th best player by NFL.com
Ranked 197th best player by Sports Illustrated (SI.com)
Raked somewhere between 50 and 90 by Scout.com
Ranked 145th best player by NationalFootballPost.com
Ranked 178th best player by NFLDraftCountdown.com

Picked 68th by the Texans.

kiwitexansfan
04-27-2012, 08:35 PM
LMFAO at the JAGS

They know how much Gabbert sucks, so they figure they will really need a fresh leg at P.

fiasco west
04-27-2012, 08:35 PM
Ahh I see...high risk high reward guy...I can see that, don't mind taking a flier on a guy like this.

Naiirb
04-27-2012, 08:36 PM
The Jaguars forum is down. Classic

Doppelganger
04-27-2012, 08:36 PM
What did town get in return for trading down to get him?

GP
04-27-2012, 08:36 PM
Biography: Three-year starter who finished with 12 receptions/162 yards/2 TDs as a senior. Played in just three games last year after serving a suspension for his participation in the Ohio State tattoo scandal. Junior totals included 53/848/7 after he had 60/828/8 as a sophomore.

Positives: Physically gifted receiver who's flashed big-time ability throughout his career. Solid route runner who quickly gets into breaks and stays low on exit. Sells routes, effectively works back into the clearing of the defense and makes himself an available target. Gets vertical in a crowd and comes down with the ball. Makes a lot of athletic receptions. Effectively uses his frame to shield away defenders and protect the ball. Easily makes downfield, over-the-shoulder catches, looking the pass into his hands. Immediately transitions from making the catch to running after the reception.

Negatives: SLOW AS EFFING HELL. Lacks a quick release off the line into pass routes. Does not show a sense of timing. Not a true downfield threat.

Analysis: Posey was a consistent performer at Ohio State before being sidelined by a suspension most of last year. Though unpolished in many areas, he offers enough upside to develop into a second wideout on a roster.

Projection: 6th

Fixed it for you (bolded above).

Damn you, Gary Kubiak! THIS? We traded down and didn't want Reuben Randle for THIS?

Gary Kubiak is a dumbass. And if Rick Smith's BEST WR choice for Gary's chart of what Gary wants is Posey...then Rick Smith is a dumbass too.

Just go home, dammit. GO! Leave Wade in the war room with some Oreos and his spreadsheet and let him draft BOTH sides for us. Jeezus!

@#$%^&*&Y^T%$#@#$%^&

Vinny
04-27-2012, 08:36 PM
Who cares. Field position and competent special teams win and lose games on a regular basis.

Good for Jacksoffville.seems some teams already punted out of the backside of this draft. Jags just did it literally.

SW H-TOWN
04-27-2012, 08:36 PM
That trade worked out really good, Randle must not have impressed Rick Smith. We have a lot of options. And the pick is...DeVier Posey, wow that was a real reach. Don't like the pick. We could have picked Massie, Thompson, Childs, or Givens...damn.

kiwitexansfan
04-27-2012, 08:36 PM
I like this scouting profile (http://sidelinescouting.com/rankings/2012/wr/devier-posey/)

Positives -- Big target with breakaway speed, can get down the field in a hurry... Has a nice frame and does a good job of shielding defenders from the football... A constant big play threat... Tough physical receiver who will make the tough catch in traffic and absorb contact... Good body control and adjusts
well to the football in the air, will make tough plays near the sideline... Takes good, short steps off the line of scrimmage... Really is a terrific route runner, does a good job with his cuts and is able to gain separation with his route running... Strong runner with the football, really looks to attack defenders and will try to bull through safeties... Was fairly productive after missing most of the year by catching two touchdowns in his three games this season... Consistent receiver who had 800+ yards in his sophomore and junior seasons... Has the versatility to lineup outside and in the slot... His physical style allows him to be a good run blocker, does a good job of engaging on defenders... A polished wide receiver who should have a quick transition to the pro game... Physical tools are intriguing and should be appealing to teams.
Negatives -- Would like to see him use his hands more, allows too many balls get into his body and will drop some easy throws... His speed is more good than great and he may have trouble creating vertical separation at the NFL level... Very inconsistent, will make the spectacular grab and then drop the easy one... Comes with some character concerns, was a part of the Ohio State scandal and was suspended for most of the 2011 season for selling his championship gear.


Read more at Sideline Scouting: http://sidelinescouting.com/rankings/2012/wr/devier-posey/#ixzz1tILCFvR4

Say Watt
04-27-2012, 08:36 PM
What the ****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ObsiWan
04-27-2012, 08:36 PM
:lol:

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7073025/ncaa-suspends-ohio-state-buckeyes-devier-posey-five-more-games

I'm still googling.

Is this one of those TattooGate dudes?

We picked a player with a "checkered past"???

Does Uncle Bob know about this??

TheMatrix31
04-27-2012, 08:36 PM
Good Lord. Calm the **** down.

badboy
04-27-2012, 08:36 PM
Positives: Good quickness off the line. Has size and quickness to get off NFL press. Generally reliable receiver capable of making difficult catches in traffic over the middle or one on one down the sideline. Adjusts to poor throws in any direction. Finds his way through traffic on crossing routes. Comes back to the ball to help his scrambling quarterback. Gives effort as a blocker on run plays. Negatives: Inconsistent high-pointing passes. Allows too many throws into his body when facing the quarterback. Does not own elite speed. Freezes at times when trying to juke defenders in space. Walls off his man as a blocker, allowing them to shed and make the play outside.CBS sports had him in 5-6th


Walter 5-7

40 Time: 4.50. 10-Yd Split: 1.45.
Vertical: 36.5.
Broad: 10-3.
Arm: 31 3/8. Hand: 9 5/8.
Projected Round (2012): 5-7.
4/24/12: Posey only played in three games this season, catching 12 passes for 162 yards and two touchdowns. He was suspended to start 2011 and missed 10 games. Posey looked terrible at the Senior Bowl. He wasn't getting open and looked disinterested. Posey performed better at the Combine, but he has a lot to prove off the field to NFL teams.

8/19/11: DeVier Posey is probably regretting not declaring early for the NFL draft after the scandal that has rocked the Ohio State program. With a new quarterback, it will be a challenge for him to improve on his production from 2010. Posey caught 53 passes for 848 yards and seven touchdowns. He was very consistent with his sophomore year production of 60 receptions for 828 yards and eight scores. With size and speed, Posey has a nice skill set to potentially be a second or third receiver in the NFL.

Nawzer
04-27-2012, 08:36 PM
Lol a punter? Highlight of the draft.

kingh99
04-27-2012, 08:37 PM
Exactly the sort of guy I expected. Aggravated at what's happened to him due to BS. Wrecked Senior Glory for Tattoos? He's got to be so pissed knowing he lost money and is still talented. It was a weird scandal. I love the pick.

kiwitexansfan
04-27-2012, 08:37 PM
Funny how armchair GMs freak out when they have never heard of the guy.

Thorn
04-27-2012, 08:37 PM
Um.......LOL

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/bigten/story/2011-10-07/ohio-state-posey-suspension/50692224/1

I'll try and be more positive. But this stuff just cracked me up.

fiasco west
04-27-2012, 08:37 PM
Fixed it for you (bolded above).

Damn you, Gary Kubiak! THIS? We traded down and didn't want Reuben Randle for THIS?

Gary Kubiak is a dumbass. And if Rick Smith's BEST WR choice for Gary's chart of what Gary wants is Posey...then Rick Smith is a dumbass too.

Just go home, dammit. GO! Leave Wade in the war room with some Oreos and his spreadsheet and let him draft BOTH sides for us. Jeezus!

@#$%^&*&Y^T%$#@#$%^&

Lets give him some pre-season games before deciding he sucks and that the draft was a failure?

rmartin65
04-27-2012, 08:38 PM
Posey was a really good WR as a Junior at Ohio State. Guy would have been a 2nd round pick if the NCAA didn't screw him over and suspend him for 11 games last year.

I hate OSU, but this kid can play. Should be a very good #2 option for us, as much as I hate to say it.

Dude, I respect your opinion a bunch, but I disagree vehemently.

Posey will not become anything special. He drops catchable balls, does not have break away speed, is average in and out of his cuts, and is a piece of **** human. One of my friends had a class with him, and the guy is a tool.

mussop
04-27-2012, 08:38 PM
I said the next two picks would be WR and OL. WR done so OL coming next.

Marcus
04-27-2012, 08:38 PM
Fixed it for you (bolded above).

Damn you, Gary Kubiak! THIS? We traded down and didn't want Reuben Randle for THIS?

Gary Kubiak is a dumbass. And if Rick Smith's BEST WR choice for Gary's chart of what Gary wants is Posey...then Rick Smith is a dumbass too.

Just go home, dammit. GO! Leave Wade in the war room with some Oreos and his spreadsheet and let him draft BOTH sides for us. Jeezus!

@#$%^&*&Y^T%$#@#$%^&

C'mon GP! Take a deep breath.

ObsiWan
04-27-2012, 08:38 PM
Fixed it for you (bolded above).

Damn you, Gary Kubiak! THIS? We traded down and didn't want Reuben Randle for THIS?

Gary Kubiak is a dumbass. And if Rick Smith's BEST WR choice for Gary's chart of what Gary wants is Posey...then Rick Smith is a dumbass too.

Just go home, dammit. GO! Leave Wade in the war room with some Oreos and his spreadsheet and let him draft BOTH sides for us. Jeezus!

@#$%^&*&Y^T%$#@#$%^&

How do you know Wade didn't make this pick when Kubiak was taking a bathroom break?
:D

GP
04-27-2012, 08:38 PM
That trade worked out really good, Randle must not have impressed Rick Smith. We have a lot of options. And the pick is...DeVier Posey, wow that was a real reach. Don't like the pick. We could have picked Massie, Thompson, Childs, or Givens...damn.

We picked a slow ass 6th round projected WR nobody here has even freaking heard of. Rick Smith probably rang in the wrong guy's name.

I am just baffled. BAFFLED. THIS is what we traded down for and THIS is the best WR in the entire draft we could get for our spot?

Eff'd.

WolverineFan
04-27-2012, 08:39 PM
I don't hate the pick because the kid can play and will supplant Jacoby, IMO. But it's awful value. He's under the radar because of the suspension and could have been had in the 4th.

I will say, I love Marvin Jones and think he would have been a better option here.

Nawzer
04-27-2012, 08:39 PM
Redskins picked RNC chairman Rance Priebus???

Say Watt
04-27-2012, 08:40 PM
Idiots!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Say Watt
04-27-2012, 08:40 PM
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaggggggghhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NCTexan
04-27-2012, 08:40 PM
I don't hate the pick because the kid can play and will supplant Jacoby, IMO. But it's awful value. He's under the radar because of the suspension and could have been had in the 4th.

I will say, I love Marvin Jones and think he would have been a better option here.

Agree 100% with Jones. That was my pick.

speedfreek
04-27-2012, 08:40 PM
One of the reasons Hitler was considered a dumb*ss was because he insisted that the Me262 (first jet) be hardened so that it could deploy bombs -- therby giving up some of it's speed and maneuverability in dogfights. (would have owned the sky otherwise)

One of the reasons I consider Kubiak a dumb*ss is because he won't take any receivers that he feels cannot sufficiently block. We need people to make plays downfield more than Arian needs help getting an extra yard or two.

I hate Kubiak, honest to God -- too many years of this idiot. The only difference in 2011 was Wade, plain and simple.

TJ

LikeMike
04-27-2012, 08:41 PM
I don't know him so I can't hate the pick... But it feels like a "we're smarter than everyone else" pick, and those very rarely pan out.

But I sure hope he can prove all those experts wrong...

TimeKiller
04-27-2012, 08:41 PM
I'd rather have picked Bryan Anger the PUNTER!!!!

Blake
04-27-2012, 08:42 PM
People need to calm down. While I don't like his Ohio state-ness, he has talent even if you refuse to accept it. I am not sure he is the highest rated player though.

Oh well. Another pick coming up.

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sometexansfan
04-27-2012, 08:42 PM
We picked a slow ass 6th round projected WR nobody here has even freaking heard of. Rick Smith probably rang in the wrong guy's name.

I am just baffled. BAFFLED. THIS is what we traded down for and THIS is the best WR in the entire draft we could get for our spot?

Eff'd.

Really? You've seen several seconds of the guy play and he slow as hell and sucks already? As an Ohio State fan, I've seen the guy play the last few years and I definitely wouldn't say he's slow. He was Ohio State's deep threat and most reliable receiver, the dude was productive catching passes from Terrell Pryor, trust me that says a lot.

Thorn
04-27-2012, 08:42 PM
As soon as I'm dne looking uop the negative ****,l I'll look for some poisitive. LOL

Abd no, I' m not ****ing sobee, Like it means a great deal.

Blake
04-27-2012, 08:42 PM
I'd rather have picked Bryan Anger the PUNTER!!!!

Slap yourself for that comment and go to bed. You are obviously drunk.

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jppaul
04-27-2012, 08:42 PM
Well Schaefer says now that we have posey we will trade jacoby so some good some bad. Wtf do they think they are getting in return used toilet paper

badboy
04-27-2012, 08:43 PM
I just hope we draft all defense to get some players

kiwitexansfan
04-27-2012, 08:43 PM
We picked a slow ass 6th round projected WR nobody here has even freaking heard of. Rick Smith probably rang in the wrong guy's name.

I am just baffled. BAFFLED. THIS is what we traded down for and THIS is the best WR in the entire draft we could get for our spot?

Eff'd.

4.5 isn't terribly slow, Jerry Rice had slow timed speed in the 40.

Guy is supposed to be a great route runner which is more important.

TimeKiller
04-27-2012, 08:44 PM
help me please get another WR next...

keyser
04-27-2012, 08:44 PM
Of course, considering how almost all of the picks since #67 have been significant "reaches", maybe the Texans' reach for Posey wasn't so bad. In fact, the next three picks after the Texans were all even bigger "reaches" than Posey.

It looks like the picks are starting to return to the expected range, though...

Allstar
04-27-2012, 08:44 PM
Posey just said on 610 that if he could do his situation all over again with the suspension, he would have done it the same way. Says he helped his mom out. Hmm...

GP
04-27-2012, 08:44 PM
Lets give him some pre-season games before deciding he sucks and that the draft was a failure?

If what I saw on the highlights is his HIGHLIGHTS then he s-u-c-k-s.

Guys don't get graded all the way down to a 6th projection by accident. I look at the few highlights they had, and I can see why. He has ZERO of what I expected the Texans to take. We have that **** already and it's called Kevin Walter. /thread.

Dude, I respect your opinion a bunch, but I disagree vehemently.

Posey will not become anything special. He drops catchable balls, does not have break away speed, is average in and out of his cuts, and is a piece of **** human. One of my friends had a class with him, and the guy is a tool.

And on top of his poor play, he's a POS too? Awesome.

Funny how armchair GMs freak out when they have never heard of the guy.

Lestar Jean has to be pleased. We didn't draft anything that threatens his chances at making the roster. I guarantee you this guy will be a worse version on Jabar Gaffney. This pick was a complete waste.

Blake
04-27-2012, 08:44 PM
Really? You've seen several seconds of the guy play and he slow as hell and sucks already? As an Ohio State fan, I've seen the guy play the last few years and I definitely wouldn't say he's slow. He was Ohio State's deep threat and most reliable receiver, the dude was productive catching passes from Terrell Pryor, trust me that says a lot.

Plus one. People are blinded by their loyalty to a draft board they made while at home.

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SW H-TOWN
04-27-2012, 08:45 PM
Funny how armchair GMs freak out when they have never heard of the guy.

Ok, inform us. Don't take half an hour please.

Marcus
04-27-2012, 08:45 PM
I hate Kubiak . . .



LOL. Typical.

TheMatrix31
04-27-2012, 08:45 PM
I'm more concerned with his seeming lack of character than I am about his football ability.

Thorn
04-27-2012, 08:45 PM
Posey played just four games, making just 12 receptions in 2011. As a junior in 2010, he caught 52 balls for 848 yards and seven touchdowns. He was one of many Buckeyes involved in the improper benefits scandal at the university, which hurt his playing time and eventually, his draft stock, but the Texans obviously think enough of his upside that they spent an early 3rd round pick on him.

I'm still trying to be positive

Naiirb
04-27-2012, 08:45 PM
Texans almost up again

badboy
04-27-2012, 08:46 PM
Really? You've seen several seconds of the guy play and he slow as hell and sucks already? As an Ohio State fan, I've seen the guy play the last few years and I definitely wouldn't say he's slow. He was Ohio State's deep threat and most reliable receiver, the dude was productive catching passes from Terrell Pryor, trust me that says a lot.coming from that passing oriented school, that is high praise. Sarcasm thinggy goes here.

mussop
04-27-2012, 08:46 PM
help me please get another WR next...

Nope there is some real fits on the OL available. Thats my bet. And don't forget we still haven't drafted a TE yet!:kitten:

The Pencil Neck
04-27-2012, 08:46 PM
All the guys I wanted to pick the last time we were picking are still on the board.

So.

There you go.

Massie? Sanu? Crick? Ta'amu? Toon?

ZachLV27
04-27-2012, 08:46 PM
Really? You've seen several seconds of the guy play and he slow as hell and sucks already? As an Ohio State fan, I've seen the guy play the last few years and I definitely wouldn't say he's slow. He was Ohio State's deep threat and most reliable receiver, the dude was productive catching passes from Terrell Pryor, trust me that says a lot.

I watched him play quite a bit before last year. The guy rarely creates any separation from CB's. That says a lot when you remember that he was playing against a lot of CB's who weren't all that great in college.

badboy
04-27-2012, 08:47 PM
Well Schaefer says now that we have posey we will trade jacoby so some good some bad. Wtf do they think they are getting in return used toilet paper

Well we better trade Jacoby now and draft a WR

Maddict5
04-27-2012, 08:47 PM
Fixed it for you (bolded above).

Damn you, Gary Kubiak! THIS? We traded down and didn't want Reuben Randle for THIS?

Gary Kubiak is a dumbass. And if Rick Smith's BEST WR choice for Gary's chart of what Gary wants is Posey...then Rick Smith is a dumbass too.

Just go home, dammit. GO! Leave Wade in the war room with some Oreos and his spreadsheet and let him draft BOTH sides for us. Jeezus!

@#$%^&*&Y^T%$#@#$%^&

stop pls its embarassing... and like clockwork unfortunately

they dont take a big name and fans go off the deep end. you've watched the couple clips of him from nfln/espn and think you know better. guess what you dont. you just sound silly criticising somebody you dont know anything about