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GuerillaBlack
04-26-2012, 10:31 PM
Discuss.

Quick II Draw
04-26-2012, 10:31 PM
Well, at least we will have no shortage of "Merciless" "No Mercy" etc. slogans any time soon

Mr. Texan
04-26-2012, 10:32 PM
meh.

wanted stephen hill to get jacoby jones out but i have confidence in wade phillips

drunkcookie
04-26-2012, 10:32 PM
Either Hill or Mercilus sounded fine to me... Not unhappy with it that's fo sho...

EllisUnit
04-26-2012, 10:32 PM
i think its a good pick, he is very quick and powerful. We lost Mario and i see a lot of the same physical features in this young man, so i am please overall.

Was wanting a WR until Wright went off the board. i guess J.J it is :kubepalm:

axisv
04-26-2012, 10:32 PM
I am shocked this guy was still available. Our defense is going to be feared!

Playoffs
04-26-2012, 10:32 PM
One of the most intriguing players I watched on tape was DE Whitney Mercilus. He rarely aligned wide in Illinois’ defense, which significantly limited his pass rush space and minimized his initial burst off the ball and his overall athleticism. The Titans need to rush the quarterback better (only 28 sacks in 2011), and they will select Mercilus and line him up wide to maximize his pass rush ability. At this point, Mercilus is a little bit of a straight line rusher with a limited repertoire but there’s no question he has burst and closing speed.

Cosell had him at 20th overall, Shonka had him at 19.


http://www.nfl.com/draft/2012/profiles/whitney-mercilus?id=2533049

Mr teX
04-26-2012, 10:33 PM
not thrilled with the pick, thought he'd be gone by the time we picked...but i knew we'd probably go olb....

TexanSam
04-26-2012, 10:33 PM
This article says he had a high motor all year long. Sounds like Wade's type of player. He's also missing part of a finger.

http://www.herald-review.com/sports/illini/scouts-high-on-illini-s-mercilus/article_56095c5c-8e94-11e1-b423-0019bb2963f4.html

When he lost the tip of his left index finger during a freak weight lifting accident one year ago, Whitney Mercilus wondered how the missing digit might affect his chance to become an NFL draft pick.

Could he still rush the passer? Could he still wrap up with tackles?

Would teams back off due to the injury?

The weightlifting nightmare, which occurred last April while Mercilus was spotting for a teammate who lost control of a bar holding 405 pounds, pulverized the end of Mercilus’ finger.

But after the initial shock wore off, Mercilus was soon back out doing drills, determined to have a big junior year.

“The work he poured into getting ready for the (2011) season was unbelievable,” former Illini head coach Ron Zook said.

And the payoff was prompt. Almost immediately, Mercilus emerged as a non-stop pass rushing force. By the time the 2011 season was over, Mercilus had recorded 16 sacks, forced nine fumbles and emerged as the best story on an Illini team that played so poorly in the second half of the season it cost Zook his job.

As one NFL scout said in praise of Mercilus’ work ethic, “His motor ran on red all season long.”

97roc
04-26-2012, 10:33 PM
In Wade we trust.

Fili
04-26-2012, 10:33 PM
Our D better be the best D for the next 1000000000000 years. Or else bye bye :wadepalm:

Goldensilence
04-26-2012, 10:33 PM
Was hoping for Fleener or Hill.

Disappointed really. He's not likely going to be an every down player.

He can still be an impact player in rotation at OLB at least.

bigbrewster2000
04-26-2012, 10:33 PM
He was BPA. Good pick. Didn't think he would be there

CretorFrigg
04-26-2012, 10:33 PM
Don't know anything about him...but I really wanted a WR.

drunkcookie
04-26-2012, 10:34 PM
I wonder, does this pick show us Kubs has confidence in Maehl/Jean?

le14
04-26-2012, 10:34 PM
Like it.

Hill was highly unproven, I didn't want to touch Fleener. I had us taking Hill on potential, but WR are a crapshoot when it comes to the first round picks

Texans - Winning with that D and Giants blueprint.

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1085554/woo_medium.gif

the possibilities with that defense and the likes of Luck, Locker, Gabbert along with spotty OL play.

CloakNNNdagger
04-26-2012, 10:35 PM
Whitney Mercilus Scouting Report
By Charlie Campbell

Strengths:
Raw speed to turn the edge
Agility to sink his hips/shoulder
Strength
Repertoire of moves
Active hands
Has the strength to anchor and hold his ground vs. the run
Always looking to force fumbles
Quick get off
Shedding blocks when pass rushing
Ability to bull rush heavy tackles and guards
Extremely athletic



Weaknesses:
One-year wonder
Lacks complete body of work in college
Quality of tackles he faced

Summary: Whitney Mercilus was the most productive pass-rusher in college football in 2011. He led the nation in sacks (16) and forced fumbles (9). It was a record-setting season as Mercilus topped Simeon Rice's school record for sacks in a year. Like Rice, Mercilus is a fabulous athlete. He has a special combination of size, speed and strength to go along with excellent technique. Mercilus also recorded 57 tackles and 22.5 tackles for a loss.

Entering the NFL, Mercilus is an advanced pass-rusher. He got the better of the best tackles he faced this season. Against Ohio State's Mike Adams, Mercilus recorded 1.5 sacks with a forced fumble. The Wisconsin Badgers' powerful offensive line couldn't contain Mercilus. He bull rushed through massive right tackle Josh Oglesby to get a sack-fumble on Russell Wilson. Mercilus also knocked out left tackle Ricky Wagner for part of the game.

Mercilus has a very impressive repertoire of pass rushing moves. He attacks with speed around the edge. As a counter to the speed, he has the strength to execute rip moves and shed offensive linemen. Mercilus has the raw power to get under offensive linemen's pads and bull rush into the pocket. That catches linemen by surprise as they are so cognizant of being ready for his speed rush. Beyond his great physical skill set, Mercilus is an advanced pass-rusher technically.

Mercilus holds up well in run defense. Linemen don't push him around, as he is strong at the point of attack. He also will burst into the backfield to disrupt running plays.

The big question regarding Mercilus is why didn't break into the lineup sooner and why didn't he produce more earlier. In 2009 and 2010, Mercilus combined to record 24 tackles with two sacks and 6.5 tackles for a loss.



Player Comparison: Jason Pierre-Paul. There are a lot of similarities between Mercilus and JPP. Both are fantastic athletes who come to the NFL with a special combination of speed and strength. They also were one-year wonders at the college level. Mercilus had more production than JPP in their final college season, and the latter has turned into one of the best pass-rushers in the NFL.
link (http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2012wmercilus.php)

Goldensilence
04-26-2012, 10:35 PM
I wonder, does this pick show us Kubs has confidence in Maehl/Jean?

Nope, this staff for one reason or another is committed to JJ.

G27RR
04-26-2012, 10:36 PM
Little surprised since Martin and Glenn were still on the board at OT/G. Not unhappy about it, but would have preferred someone who had more than one year of production. He does project out well. Keeps our D looking solid.

Hopefully we find a way to get a good WR in the 2nd-3rd.

DocBar
04-26-2012, 10:36 PM
OK with the pick and want us to trade up and get Hill now.

drunkcookie
04-26-2012, 10:37 PM
OK with the pick and want us to trade up and get Hill now.

Amen...dunno how... But it'd be nice... I'll keep dreaming though...

TexCanada
04-26-2012, 10:38 PM
Great value, great pick! Sacking the QB wins super bowls. This was a huge need for us and I'm thrilled with the pick. There are plenty of WRs available in round 2 and 3.

We just got better.

ckhouston
04-26-2012, 10:38 PM
Excellent pick ... he was BPA. Anyone wanting Fleener thank God you arent drafting for us. Only reach I would have been happy with would have been Harrison Smith because I think he is the next John Lynch, but the fact "NO MERCY" was still there rocks. We are going to have a dominant pash rush and will be able to keep our guys fresh because of depth.

LikeMike
04-26-2012, 10:38 PM
Should be able to play OLB as well as some DE for us. High Motor Guy with lots of fumbles and led the nation in sacks. I call that a really good pick.

Oh and if there is anything the Giants proved: you can never have enough Pass rushers...

Now the next two picks should be Offense...

Nawzer
04-26-2012, 10:39 PM
Here's a highlight video of our newest OLB. Has loads of speed but will need to bulk up a bit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60fJEcIF1h8

leebigeztx
04-26-2012, 10:39 PM
Don't know anything about him...but I really wanted a WR.

He was my # olb/pass rusher. He's natural in space,has explosion too. The gap from mercilus to the next pass rusher is a lot greater than the next wr. This draft is deep at wr in the 2nd and 3rd. Hill is really a developmental guy.

TimeKiller
04-26-2012, 10:39 PM
Nice. Definitely a value pick.

Porky
04-26-2012, 10:39 PM
Was hoping for Fleener or Hill.

Disappointed really. He's not likely going to be an every down player.

He can still be an impact player in rotation at OLB at least.

He'll probably start ahead of Tarzan and rotate in and out. He will play plenty. Personally, I think this is another Wade/Smithiak homerun.

The Pencil Neck
04-26-2012, 10:40 PM
From Walter Football:

http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2012OLB3-4.php

Whitney Mercilus*, DE/OLB, Illinois
Height: 6-4. Weight: 261.
40 Time: 4.63. 10-Yd Split: 1.56.
Bench: 27.
Vertical: 32. Broad: 9-10.
Arm: 33 7/8.
Projected Round (2012): 1.
4/25/12: Many teams have shown interest in Mercilus and his stock has had a quiet rise. He stands a good shot of cracking the top 20. Mercilus featured his special speed and athletic ability at the Combine. He ran well, moved extremely well laterally in the field drills and had quality strength. Mercilus showed 3-4 teams that he can operate as an outside linebacker. Reports were that Mercilus performed well at his pro day. Between the Combine and his pro day, he has cemented his status as a first-round pick.

A typical game from Mercilus in 2011 featured a sack and a forced fumble. He led the nation in sacks and forced fumbles last year. The junior totaled 57 tackles with 22.5 tackles for a loss, 16 sacks and nine forced fumbles.

Mercilus showed no mercy this season to offensive tackles and quarterbacks. All year long, he beat tackles with a combination of speed, strength and athleticism. Against Ohio State's Mike Adams, one of the best offensive tackles Mercilus played this year, he beat Adams for 1.5 sacks and a forced fumble. Mercilus was tough on Wisconsin and its powerful offensive line with a sack-fumble on a bull rush through massive right tackle Josh Oglesby. Routinely, Mercilus plays with ideal pad level and body lean.

The early entry prospect is extremely fast and gets upfield in a hurry. His speed puts offensive tackles on their heels, and he has the athleticism to drop his hips and shoulder to turn towards the quarterback. Mercilus' strength can take linemen by surprise, and he has a powerful bull rush. In run defense, Mercilus anchors and holds his ground well. He needs to work on shedding blocks in order to be able to make more tackles in the ground game.

burro
04-26-2012, 10:40 PM
We should have taken a T/G, but Mercilus is a beast. I'll take it.

Honoring Earl 34
04-26-2012, 10:41 PM
There was only a handful of OLB and NE was busy getting theirs . On the other hand there's a bunch of WRs out there .

chicagotexan2
04-26-2012, 10:41 PM
Little surprised since Martin and Glenn were still on the board at OT/G. Not unhappy about it, but would have preferred someone who had more than one year of production. He does project out well. Keeps our D looking solid.

Hopefully we find a way to get a good WR in the 2nd-3rd.

I thought it would be Glenn. I'm ok with the pick. Let's try to trade up early in the second to ensure we get a wr or ot assuming good ones are available. Let's dig up James Allen aka merciless the rapper to do Whitney's theme song.

Fili
04-26-2012, 10:42 PM
I remember I felt like this when we picked JJ Watt and found out he was a white DE. I thought he would suck but apparently not. Whitney. Would you please play offense for us?

ckhouston
04-26-2012, 10:44 PM
Everyone wanting to trade up for a WR when the only two top WR in the draft are already gone .... two things ... first, we are a running team ... second, as Ditka says "Stop It!".

Texan4Ever
04-26-2012, 10:44 PM
Meh, would've preferred Nick Perry. I'm afraid he may become the next Robert Ayers (one year wonder who converts to OLB in a 3-4).

Rey
04-26-2012, 10:44 PM
Not gonna lie, I do not like the pick at all. He looks very average to me on film.

I hope like hell he proves me wrong, but I'm not excited...

Marcus
04-26-2012, 10:44 PM
Shocked beyond belief he was still available at 26.

badboy
04-26-2012, 10:45 PM
I think in college he was placed to get QB sacks and Phillips will do same with him. My eval will depend on rest of the draft. If we don't score big with WR somewhere in draft, JJ better step up a bunch or I will be calling for Kubiak head.His loyalty better result in productivity NOW.

If players like DeCastro fall, maybe we can get a great pick in second. I want to have a very good feeling after Saturday's picks.

Heath Shuler
04-26-2012, 10:45 PM
http://www.houstontexans.com/media-lounge/videos/NFL-Network-First-Draft-Whitney-Mercilus/74a7c059-fa3e-4c95-a6f8-ea9308b78844

Texan_Bill
04-26-2012, 10:45 PM
See what I'm saying (in another thread).... No offense to GB (he's an old school poster..... been around a long time) but we'll have 17 more threads about the same thing...

DX-TEX
04-26-2012, 10:47 PM
McClain_on_NFL If Mercilus develops way Smith, Kubiak and Phillips think he will, they'll have him and Cushing rushing behind Barwin, Reed, Watt and Smith. 4 minutes ago · reply · retweet · favorite


AWWWWWW YEAHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y300/MechDX/KoolWade.jpg

ItsMyFault
04-26-2012, 10:48 PM
Meh, I'll take it. Since we didn't want a WR in the first round.

Rey
04-26-2012, 10:48 PM
He's definitely got some developing to do...

TheMatrix31
04-26-2012, 10:49 PM
If he's a high character guy with a crazy motor, I'll be happy.

bigbrewster2000
04-26-2012, 10:49 PM
Not gonna lie, I do not like the pick at all. He looks very average to me on film.

I hope like hell he proves me wrong, but I'm not excited...

Didn't realize you had access to film. He has the work ethic to prove you wrong as an effort guy and serious football skill guy. That's how I feel about him anyway. He was best guy on the board

ATXtexanfan
04-26-2012, 10:50 PM
Love it, hit the qb

Brandon420tx
04-26-2012, 10:50 PM
9ners pass on Hill, very telling

Brando
04-26-2012, 10:51 PM
Our defense just got stronger. Scary thought for the AFC South.:fans:

bigbrewster2000
04-26-2012, 10:52 PM
9ners pass on Hill, very telling

This

Rey
04-26-2012, 10:52 PM
Didn't realize you had access to film. He has the work ethic to prove you wrong as an effort guy and serious football skill guy. That's how I feel about him anyway. He was best guy on the board

All you have to do is go to youtube and they have entire games on there. Cut up nice and neatly to only the snaps he played. Plus I've seen him play games and watched them back. Are you really unaware of how to watch guys on film?

Anyways, I hope he does prove me wrong because I don't like the pick.

badboy
04-26-2012, 10:52 PM
22 yoa

LikeMike
04-26-2012, 10:53 PM
So he may Play ILB? Interesting for a Guy that projects as an edge rush specialist... In Wade I trust...

Rey
04-26-2012, 10:53 PM
22 yoa

Maybe the Texans are taking him for what he can be and not so much for next year. We'll see.

Thorn
04-26-2012, 10:55 PM
Well, you just have to love a defensive player whose name is Mercilus. :lol:

drunkcookie
04-26-2012, 10:55 PM
Quote from Wade on Mercilus, via Nick Scurfield on Twitter:

Phillips on Mercilus: "They say 1-year wonder, but you wonder why they didn't play him the year before is what I wonder."

G27RR
04-26-2012, 10:55 PM
If he's a high character guy with a crazy motor, I'll be happy.

You're in luck there. If anyone can develop him into a consistent beast, our D can.

Mr teX
04-26-2012, 10:57 PM
Not gonna lie, I do not like the pick at all. He looks very average to me on film.

I hope like hell he proves me wrong, but I'm not excited...

hey, i felt the exact same way last year when we selected Watt. He looked average to me on tape.....boy was i wrong.

ckhouston
04-26-2012, 10:58 PM
THIS JUST IN! .... Wade knows more than we do about football.

Rey
04-26-2012, 10:58 PM
hey, i felt the exact same way last year when we selected Watt. He looked average to me on tape.....boy was i wrong.

I felt the opposite way about Watt...I was jacked when we took him. He looked like a beast on tape to me...

Here is Mercilus: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWfNeKi_hfc

It's just one game, and I'm searchin for stuff to get excited about. He does some good things, but man...I just can't get excited about what I'm seeing...

CloakNNNdagger
04-26-2012, 10:59 PM
At the COMBINE:


http://media.cleveland.com/sports_impact/photo/whitney-mercilus-nfl-draftjpg-59966e9631d18604.jpg


Guns?........What Guns?????
Might he get us to forget Mario sooner than later, especially with an extra 10-20 pounds?

badboy
04-26-2012, 11:00 PM
Maybe the Texans are taking him for what he can be and not so much for next year. We'll see.yeah, maybe but imo we needed a playmaker now. You & I are on same page. I am not doing back flips of joy but we will see. If we get a WR and OG that start, I'll be happy. I feel like I just watched a tie score game.

EllisUnit
04-26-2012, 11:00 PM
i dunno i think mario was a lot stouter looking than him

ckhouston
04-26-2012, 11:01 PM
Might he get us to forget Mario sooner than later, especially with an extra 10-20 pounds?

Forget who?

BullNation4Life
04-26-2012, 11:01 PM
WMD will be a beast in this defense...

Mr teX
04-26-2012, 11:03 PM
I felt the opposite way about Watt...I was jacked when we took him. He looked like a beast on tape to me...

1 thing's apparent watching the little tape i've seen on him, he's definitely fast getting upfield and around the corner...tackles with have to respect that.

LikeMike
04-26-2012, 11:03 PM
yeah, maybe but imo we needed a playmaker now. You & I are on same page. I am not doing back flips of joy but we will see. If we get a WR and OG that start, I'll be happy. I feel like I just watched a tie score game.

I am pretty sure wie get a Starter at either OL or WR in the second round and some projects later on.

What are your guys thoughts on him as a ILB?

drunkcookie
04-26-2012, 11:04 PM
From NickScurfield on Twitter:

"Phillips: "We could come up with something" to possibly play Mercilus, Barwin & Reed at the same time #Texans"

Wolf
04-26-2012, 11:04 PM
Well, you just have to love a defensive player whose name is Mercilus. :lol:

Bulls are Mercilus sounds better than Bulls on parade

:peek:

BullNation4Life
04-26-2012, 11:05 PM
From NickScurfield on Twitter:

"Phillips: "We could come up with something" to possibly play Mercilus, Barwin & Reed at the same time #Texans"

I just got a chubby.....:kitten:

PapaL
04-26-2012, 11:06 PM
Posted this in the draft thread but how can you not love this reaction?

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1085554/woo_medium.gif

This guy has Texan written all over him!

G27RR
04-26-2012, 11:08 PM
The first round is over and there are a lot of WRs left, so I am starting to feel pretty good about this pick. Many people are saying Mercilus should be great under a creative DC, and Wade fills that bill.

Mr teX
04-26-2012, 11:08 PM
From NickScurfield on Twitter:

"Phillips: "We could come up with something" to possibly play Mercilus, Barwin & Reed at the same time #Texans"

yeah, all that speed on the field at the same time will wreak havoc on o-lines. :)

LikeMike
04-26-2012, 11:08 PM
Simple question: how do you feel about our first round pick?

GP
04-26-2012, 11:09 PM
How does he compare to Antonio Smith? I mean, I have never really studied Smith's size/weight/etc...but is it possible that we're drafting a bit of a flex guy who could stand in for Smith when Smith's contract is up? In the meantime, Wade (maybe???) is saying "Oh we can figure out how to get him out there."

Because Smith is going to want to see some "love" from the Texans on his next deal. It's just the game that gets played.

Thorn
04-26-2012, 11:10 PM
Right now, thumbs up.

But ask me again in November. :)

Mr teX
04-26-2012, 11:10 PM
The first round is over and there are a lot of WRs left, so I am starting to feel pretty good about this pick. Many people are saying Mercilus should be great under a creative DC, and Wade fills that bill.



Yeah,

Hill
Randle
Sanu
Quick
Toon

We should be able to get a pretty good WR in the 2nd.

EllisUnit
04-26-2012, 11:10 PM
Posted this in the draft thread but how can you not love this reaction?

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1085554/woo_medium.gif

This guy has Texan written all over him!

hmmmm who wouldnt want to go to the #2 Defense in the NFL ? Not to mention he seems like a pretty good guy from what i have seen and heard about him.

bigfan77801
04-26-2012, 11:11 PM
Simple question: how do you feel about our first round pick?

I like the pick so far.

badboy
04-26-2012, 11:12 PM
I am pretty sure wie get a Starter at either OL or WR in the second round and some projects later on.

What are your guys thoughts on him as a ILB?I never watched him as I expected someone to reach and select him just ahead of us. Not seen any notes on him inside but he does have size:


Run defense: Lacks an obvious power element to his game and struggles to shed blocks on run plays. Doesn't consistently set the edge and will over run his responsibilities. Still developing his recognition skills and instincts. Struggles to consistently locate the ball and will get caught out of position at times. Explosion: Fires off the snap with a first step

BullNation4Life
04-26-2012, 11:12 PM
How does he compare to Antonio Smith? I mean, I have never really studied Smith's size/weight/etc...but is it possible that we're drafting a bit of a flex guy who could stand in for Smith when Smith's contract is up? In the meantime, Wade (maybe???) is saying "Oh we can figure out how to get him out there."

Because Smith is going to want to see some "love" from the Texans on his next deal. It's just the game that gets played.

Wouldnt think Mercilus would replace Smith. Smith is 290 and Mercilus is listed at 261. Would think he would be too small...

NitroGSXR
04-26-2012, 11:12 PM
Posted this in the draft thread but how can you not love this reaction?

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1085554/woo_medium.gif

This guy has Texan written all over him!

Especially for a guy who was expected to be taken earlier. I am stoked. This guy wants to be a Texan and has the motor for it. I don't know what rey is watching but this kid chases EVERY ball down. Even from opposite sides of the field.

Mr teX
04-26-2012, 11:13 PM
when the pick first came down, didn't know what to think honestly. The more i see of him though, the more i'm starting to like the pick.

Fili
04-26-2012, 11:13 PM
i dunno i think mario was a lot stouter looking than him

Mario is 2 inches taller and 20 pounds heavier. Mario is a freak, pure muscle. Mercilus could look like him if he works out more.

G27RR
04-26-2012, 11:13 PM
You could be right, GP, if Mercilus adds about 20 lbs...

Combine 4.63, 27 reps, 32" vertical

JimBaker488
04-26-2012, 11:13 PM
I think we've hit a home run in the first round tonight.

Blake
04-26-2012, 11:13 PM
I like it. We need at least 3 stud OLB to rotate. He has good size and motor. Just another tool to take down Lucklockbert.

Thorn
04-26-2012, 11:14 PM
The thing is, we can quote ourselves silly from scouting reports, but until we see him in pre season we really don't know. I for one will just trust Wade on this. We did last year, and it worked out really well for us.

drunkcookie
04-26-2012, 11:15 PM
I think we've hit a home run in the first round tonight.

A little early for that... We'll see how it goes... Right now i only "like" the pick, and am excited about the possibilities...

Goatcheese
04-26-2012, 11:15 PM
They got the position I wanted but I'm not a fan of one year wonders in the first. He's got the talent and his one year as a starter was obviously beast mode, but I am 50/50 at this point.

Playoffs
04-26-2012, 11:15 PM
Easily BPA and a special player with a redlined motor. Great selection!


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The Pencil Neck
04-26-2012, 11:15 PM
How does he compare to Antonio Smith? I mean, I have never really studied Smith's size/weight/etc...but is it possible that we're drafting a bit of a flex guy who could stand in for Smith when Smith's contract is up? In the meantime, Wade (maybe???) is saying "Oh we can figure out how to get him out there."

Because Smith is going to want to see some "love" from the Texans on his next deal. It's just the game that gets played.

Right now? Mercilus is 6'3" and 260#. Antonio Smith is 6'4" and 280#.

I expect Mercilus to be in the OLB rotation with Barwin and Reed.

I expect there to be nickel packages with Barwin, Smith, Watt, Reed on the line and Mercilus and Cush playing LB. And I expect there to be a full suite of blitzes and zone blitzes off that.

badboy
04-26-2012, 11:16 PM
How does he compare to Antonio Smith? I mean, I have never really studied Smith's size/weight/etc...but is it possible that we're drafting a bit of a flex guy who could stand in for Smith when Smith's contract is up? In the meantime, Wade (maybe???) is saying "Oh we can figure out how to get him out there."

Because Smith is going to want to see some "love" from the Texans on his next deal. It's just the game that gets played.I would not compare them at all. SMith is DE/DT and Mercy is DE/OLB if that makes sense.

I want to stress I am not saying Phillips cannot make him into a terror; just not the guy I expected as OLB #26.

Corrosion
04-26-2012, 11:17 PM
Im almost shocked he was still available .... They were thin at OLB behind Barwin and Reed , needed help at OLB and they got it.

Also insurance for Barwins pending FA.

DX-TEX
04-26-2012, 11:17 PM
Right now? Mercilus is 6'3" and 260#. Antonio Smith is 6'4" and 280#.

I expect Mercilus to be in the OLB rotation with Barwin and Reed.

I expect there to be nickel packages with Barwin, Smith, Watt, Reed on the line and Mercilus and Cush playing LB. And I expect there to be a full suite of blitzes and zone blitzes off that.

Almost feel bad for Gabbert, Luck and Locker.

:fans:

Brando
04-26-2012, 11:18 PM
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/538931_10151574896540721_57460905720_24034768_1433 338817_n.jpg

TheRealJoker
04-26-2012, 11:18 PM
Athletic pass rusher with a high motor? Sounds good to me!!!

G27RR
04-26-2012, 11:18 PM
Blaine Gabbert is gonna be saying this even more next year..

Whoa, m***********.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uu2_18zfbpY

Ryan
04-26-2012, 11:19 PM
I really like the pick. I was getting incredibly nervous about them making a huge mistake in drafting a guy like Cordy Glenn which I thought didn't fit our scheme at all, i was relieved when we took this guy. I honestly wanted Hill the most but the fact that he was passed in the first round was pretty telling.


I'm hoping tomorrow for us to trade up and get Randle. I think we can afford that luxury. We can give up one of our extra 4ths to move up.

G27RR
04-26-2012, 11:21 PM
I'm hoping tomorrow for us to trade up and get Randle. I think we can afford that luxury. We can give up one of our extra 4ths to move up.

I'm good with that.

BigSmooth1269
04-26-2012, 11:22 PM
I like the pick a lot. Keeps the olbs fresher which should lead to more balls to the walls pressure. There will probably be packages with him reed smith barwin watt and cushing. I wanted no part of Mike Adams or Coby Fleener so I am happy. The best part is there is a ton of wr depth left for us to make moves in round 2-3. We look for specific linemen and I trust whoever we draft prob third or fourth round for OL so I trust Smith. Round two you have:Hill, Randle, Sanu, quick all left. Me personally let's go.for randle or quick.

False Start
04-26-2012, 11:22 PM
From what I've read up on him, and watched his highlights, etc. I''m satisfied. :cool: :jam:

Playoffs
04-26-2012, 11:22 PM
Connor Barwin ‏ @ConnorBarwin98 Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
“@HoustonTexans: Philips: Mercilus is a lot like @ConnorBarwin98. He fits in with our guys on defense.” <--had the same college dline coach

silentassassin
04-26-2012, 11:22 PM
Hell yes.

MEGA SWATT
04-26-2012, 11:24 PM
I'm good with it.

VTexan
04-26-2012, 11:25 PM
http://i.imgur.com/FPoSl.gif

NitroGSXR
04-26-2012, 11:27 PM
Love it but we need to shore up our run-stopping. Mercilus looks handled in the run game. Couple that with the loss of DeMeco in the middle. I'm not saying I'm concerned. I'm just saying plug the hole. Shouldn't be too hard.

le14
04-26-2012, 11:29 PM
Texans - Winning with that D and Giants blueprint.

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1085554/woo_medium.gif

the possibilities with that defense and the likes of Luck, Locker, Gabbert along with spotty OL play.

le14
04-26-2012, 11:30 PM
Texans - Winning with that D and Giants blueprint.

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1085554/woo_medium.gif

the possibilities with that defense and the likes of Luck, Locker, Gabbert along with spotty OL play.

rmartin65
04-26-2012, 11:30 PM
I am cautious about it. I think he can be a heck of a player, but he is a one year wonder, and lacks elite explosion.

Mr. Texan
04-26-2012, 11:31 PM
From NickScurfield on Twitter:

"Phillips: "We could come up with something" to possibly play Mercilus, Barwin & Reed at the same time #Texans"

at the same damn time! - future :kitten:

Wolf
04-26-2012, 11:32 PM
Blaine Gabbert is gonna be saying this even more next year..

Whoa, m***********.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uu2_18zfbpY

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii202/J4103V/bghorse0.jpg

Allstar
04-26-2012, 11:35 PM
They got the position I wanted but I'm not a fan of one year wonders in the first. He's got the talent and his one year as a starter was obviously beast mode, but I am 50/50 at this point.

Well look at it this way: If he stayed his senior year and matched last years production, he wouldn't have been available anywhere near #26.

Mr. Texan
04-26-2012, 11:38 PM
as long he destroys luck, manning, and gabbert :kitten:

GP
04-26-2012, 11:39 PM
I voted "No opinion yet."

I am not disappointed. I am not excited.

My main concern is this: Is Mercilus the better guy between him and Nick Perry? For some reason, Nick Perry just looks stronger.

We didn't reach for a WR, which is good news. I am a bit shocked that we didn't go with an OL when Zeitler was still there, Martin was still there, etc. I really figured that Winston's outright release meant we needed more depth on the line.

The thing that makes me sort of OK right now is that Wade Phillips knows what he wants. And the proof is in Son of Bum's puddin'. If it sits well with Wade, then I'm fine with it. Just have that nagging feeling that Nick Perry would have been a better choice.

Corrosion
04-26-2012, 11:39 PM
I am cautious about it. I think he can be a heck of a player, but he is a one year wonder, and lacks elite explosion.

Cant argue with that - But you can sure question the coach who didnt play him the year before.

LonerATO
04-26-2012, 11:40 PM
as long he destroys luck, manning, and gabbert :kitten:

Do you mean Locker?

IlliniJen
04-26-2012, 11:41 PM
Gee...I wonder if I like it.

http://i.imgur.com/PdM5d.gif

Actually, that was my exact reaction.

http://www.shopgardenfurniture.com/product_images/uploaded_images/university-of-illinois-at-urbana.jpg

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/images/photos/001/068/285/51487710_crop_650x440.jpg?1289537500

IlliniJen
04-26-2012, 11:42 PM
http://i.imgur.com/PdM5d.gif

H.C.4100-Bloc
04-26-2012, 11:43 PM
Great pick...:bravo:

Mr. Texan
04-26-2012, 11:44 PM
Do you mean Locker?

Sept. 23 :)

badboy
04-26-2012, 11:45 PM
Well look at it this way: If he stayed his senior year and matched last years production, he wouldn't have been available anywhere near #26.

If he remained in college and did not do so well, we could have drafted him in 2nd. I don't see how your comment means anything?

SheTexan
04-26-2012, 11:45 PM
Meet Connor Barwin's replacement for 2013. I'd bet money the Texans have NO intention of resigning CB next year. JMO!

drs23
04-26-2012, 11:47 PM
Nope, this staff for one reason or another is committed to JJ.

Not sure how you can say that with a whole lot of conviction. I belive the cookie may be correct.

badboy
04-26-2012, 11:48 PM
Meet Connor Barwin's replacement for 2013. I'd bet money the Texans have NO intention of resigning CB next year. JMO!Very possible. I was thinking Texans do not want to be caught in a Mario situation ever again. Yet we have 3 possibles in 2013, Barwin as you mention, Schaub and Duane Brown.

TdotTexas2Step
04-26-2012, 11:49 PM
Meet Connor Barwin's replacement for 2013. I'd bet money the Texans have NO intention of resigning CB next year. JMO!

And even if they do, but are unable to, at least the front office has their insurance plan in place.

This is how good teams stay at the top for multiple years, solid management decisions.

b0ng
04-26-2012, 11:49 PM
9ners pass on Hill, very telling

Fleener too.

Rey
04-26-2012, 11:51 PM
I
The thing that makes me sort of OK right now is that Wade Phillips knows what he wants. And the proof is in Son of Bum's puddin'. If it sits well with Wade, then I'm fine with it. Just have that nagging feeling that Nick Perry would have been a better choice.

Last years draft may have been the best defensive draft that Wade has ever had...

That said, it was about the earliest he has picked as well...

Looking back at some of the Cowboys drafts, the players they've gotten defensively haven't been all that. Ware was a Parcells guy if I remember correctly.

The last OLB Wade took at #26 was Anthony Spencer. Hopefully Mercilus is better than Anthony Spencer. Not that Spencer is terrible...But I guess I'm just saying I hope he turns out to be a difference maker.

Spencer may have beeen one of the better defensive picks that Wade made as a Cowboy.

ChampionTexan
04-26-2012, 11:53 PM
Very possible. I was thinking Texans do not want to be caught in a Mario situation ever again. Yet we have 3 possibles in 2013, Barwin as you mention, Schaub and Duane Brown.

Perhaps the good news is that we don't have anyone who will cost $24 Million (give or take) to franchise next season.

Goatcheese
04-26-2012, 11:54 PM
Gee...I wonder if I like it.


Actually, that was my exact reaction.


Somehow I knew you would be excited about a fellow Illini as soon as the pick came in. :)

The Pencil Neck
04-26-2012, 11:56 PM
Last years draft may have been the best defensive draft that Wade has ever had...

That said, it was about the earliest he has picked as well...

Looking back at some of the Cowboys drafts, the players they've gotten defensively haven't been all that. Ware was a Parcells guy if I remember correctly.

The last OLB Wade took at #26 was Anthony Spencer. Hopefully Mercilus is better than Anthony Spencer. Not that Spencer is terrible...But I guess I'm just saying I hope he turns out to be a difference maker.

Spencer may have beeen one of the better defensive picks that Wade made as a Cowboy.

You're making a huge mistake with the logic of this post.

I doubt Jerry Jones gave his coaches as much say in the selection of players as Rick Smith does.

Some people have made comments about Rick Smith and Gary Kubiak thinking they're the smartest guys in the room (which I disagree with) but Jerry Jones is, I think, a perfect example of someone who thinks they're smarter than everyone else.

The Pencil Neck
04-26-2012, 11:57 PM
Somehow I knew you would be excited about a fellow Illini as soon as the pick came in. :)

She had mentioned that she wanted us to draft him earlier in the day. :)

Marcus
04-26-2012, 11:58 PM
I'll bet he gets more sacks than than current highest paid defensive player who now plays for Buffalo.

Trust is something that's earned, and Wade Phillips has earned my trust.

TheMatrix31
04-26-2012, 11:59 PM
Meet Connor Barwin's replacement for 2013. I'd bet money the Texans have NO intention of resigning CB next year. JMO!

Wouldn't be surprised at all.

Nawzer
04-26-2012, 11:59 PM
Fleener too.

Why would the Niners need Fleener when they have Vernon Davis? Also, they don't need Hill. They signed Mario Manningham and Randy Moss this offseason and they already have Michael Crabtree and Ted Ginn Jr.

GP
04-27-2012, 12:00 AM
Anybody get the feeling that a guy named Mercilus should be some Mad Max character wearing post-apocalyptic armor...roaming the field for more people to kill?

GP
04-27-2012, 12:02 AM
I'll bet he gets more sacks than than current highest paid defensive player who now plays for Buffalo.

Trust is something that's earned, and Wade Phillips has earned my trust.

Careful. We wouldn't want Mario to get on twitter and respond to your taunting.

BTW, you also have to be careful because your taunting could motivate Mario to actually give a **** about performing on the field.

Rey
04-27-2012, 12:02 AM
You're making a huge mistake with the logic of this post.

I doubt Jerry Jones gave his coaches as much say in the selection of players as Rick Smith does.

Some people have made comments about Rick Smith and Gary Kubiak thinking they're the smartest guys in the room (which I disagree with) but Jerry Jones is, I think, a perfect example of someone who thinks they're smarter than everyone else.

I think you're making a huge mistake with the logic of your post.

I doubt that that Jerry made defensive decisions about personnel without input from his defensive minded head coach.

No it wasn't Wade's final call at the end of the day, but it's not his final call at the end of the day here either.

rickyb
04-27-2012, 12:03 AM
Ming the Mercilus!!!

:fans:

b0ng
04-27-2012, 12:11 AM
Why would the Niners need Fleener when they have Vernon Davis? Also, they don't need Hill. They signedf Mario Manningham and Randy Moss this offseason and they already have Michael Crabtree and Ted Ginn Jr.

2 TE were are used in the NFL. Played at Stanford with Harbaugh as coach. They drafted a pass catcher anyway.

ThaShark316
04-27-2012, 12:13 AM
Meet Connor Barwin's replacement for 2013. I'd bet money the Texans have NO intention of resigning CB next year. JMO!

http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/6293/cmonson3.png

Man, please.

thunderkyss
04-27-2012, 12:19 AM
I don't have an opinion on the player, so I voted no opinion.

However, I was one of those, "Keep Mario" guys because I didn't want to address the pass rush yet again early in the draft. I knew it was coming & I hated it then, don't really care for it now.

So if that makes sense, I don't hate that we did it, I hate that we allowed ourselves to get into a position where we had to do it yet again...

But I do love the name, definitely gonna get the jearsey.

b0ng
04-27-2012, 12:22 AM
I think you're making a huge mistake with the logic of your post.

I doubt that that Jerry made defensive decisions about personnel without input from his defensive minded head coach.

No it wasn't Wade's final call at the end of the day, but it's not his final call at the end of the day here either.

Who are you to say that Jerry Jones isn't an egomaniac who would step over his candy ass HC to make a first round pick.

Not liking a pick because he didn't perform up to your standard on tape is fine, cause that's your opinion. Not liking a pick because the Cowboys picked Anthony Spencer at #26 a few years ago while Phillips was with them is asinine.

TdotTexas2Step
04-27-2012, 12:27 AM
Anyone see Tamba Hali as a decent comparison to Mercilus?

JCTexan
04-27-2012, 12:27 AM
I don't have an opinion on the player, so I voted no opinion.

However, I was one of those, "Keep Mario" guys because I didn't want to address the pass rush yet again early in the draft. I knew it was coming & I hated it then, don't really care for it now.

So if that makes sense, I don't hate that we did it, I hate that we allowed ourselves to get into a position where we had to do it yet again...

But I do love the name, definitely gonna get the jearsey.

There is only so much cap room to go around, and Mario Williams got the richest contract ever given to a defensive player. Sometimes you have to let players walk and 'rebuild' (the position) through the draft.

I like this pick. It gives us depth at OLB.

The Pencil Neck
04-27-2012, 12:29 AM
I think you're making a huge mistake with the logic of your post.

I doubt that that Jerry made defensive decisions about personnel without input from his defensive minded head coach.

No it wasn't Wade's final call at the end of the day, but it's not his final call at the end of the day here either.

Jerry Jones? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH<snort>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

The guy that signed TO without talking to any of his offensive coaches or his head coach? The guy that hired his offensive coordinator before hiring his head coach? That guy?

steelbtexan
04-27-2012, 12:29 AM
Would've liked Hill more.

Mercilus will be a great player though. He has the heart MW is missing.

Lets see a trade up for J.Martin/Hill.

It was a wild 1st rd.

G27RR
04-27-2012, 12:37 AM
"The loss of Ryans and Williams created a need for pass rushers and linebackers. Smith said this week that he likes the depth of linebackers in the draft, and defensive coordinator Wade Phillips says Mercilus was the best player on the Texans' board when their pick came up.

Phillips says Mercilus is ahead of where Reed was when Houston drafted him last year. Reed registered a sack in five consecutive games, the longest streak in team history."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/football/nfl/wires/04/26/2020.ap.fbn.draft.texans.1st.ld.writethru.0554/index.html

More quotes:
"DC Wade Phillips said the Texans had considered trading up to select Illinois DE Whitney Mercilus, yet chose to stand firm with the 26th pick. "He's like the guys we have," said Phillips. "He's one of the top pass rushers in the draft, and it's a great opportunity to get a guy like that at this point in the draft."

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/rapid-reports/post/18849066

80tothezone
04-27-2012, 12:37 AM
I think given what was available it was a good pick. that said I would have rather us get either a tackle or a WR. Both my offensive picks were gone though so I am kinda Luke warm about the pick. Yeh they addressed a need but I think there were other more pressing needs for the team than olb.

sent from way too close to Dallas....

Rey
04-27-2012, 12:39 AM
Who are you to say that Jerry Jones isn't an egomaniac who would step over his candy ass HC to make a first round pick.

Not liking a pick because he didn't perform up to your standard on tape is fine, cause that's your opinion. Not liking a pick because the Cowboys picked Anthony Spencer at #26 a few years ago while Phillips was with them is asinine.

Seeing that I didn't say that I can't answer your question.

Regarding the rest of your post I'll just say your comprehension skills need work and I'll leave it at that.

G27RR
04-27-2012, 12:41 AM
Yes, I like the pick. He needs some development, but he could be a very good pass rusher.

"The loss of Ryans and Williams created a need for pass rushers and linebackers. Smith said this week that he likes the depth of linebackers in the draft, and defensive coordinator Wade Phillips says Mercilus was the best player on the Texans' board when their pick came up.

Phillips says Mercilus is ahead of where Reed was when Houston drafted him last year. Reed registered a sack in five consecutive games, the longest streak in team history."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/football/nfl/wires/04/26/2020.ap.fbn.draft.texans.1st.ld.writethru.0554/index.html

More quotes:
"DC Wade Phillips said the Texans had considered trading up to select Illinois DE Whitney Mercilus, yet chose to stand firm with the 26th pick. "He's like the guys we have," said Phillips. "He's one of the top pass rushers in the draft, and it's a great opportunity to get a guy like that at this point in the draft."

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/rapid-reports/post/18849066

TheMatrix31
04-27-2012, 12:42 AM
It seems like a nice pick.

Trade up and get Jonathan Martin tomorrow. Get a WR too.

TexCanada
04-27-2012, 12:44 AM
I dont see how some people would rather have a WR. Going in to the second round there is Randle, Hill, Jeffrey, Sanu and Quick all still on the board (among others). It is very likely that one or more of those guys falls to us.

Edit: plus Fleener is there too.

Allstar
04-27-2012, 12:47 AM
If he remained in college and did not do so well, we could have drafted him in 2nd. I don't see how your comment means anything?

His first year starting produced the ncaa lead in sacks. I think it's safer to assume he would continue to shine than regress. I don't see how you couldn't understand that?

Hell, Wade had to say the same thing as me:

“But if he did the same thing again for another year, he’d been a top 10 pick (in 2013) without a doubt,” Phillips said. “A lot of people are saying, ‘Yeah, it’s only one year.’ But to me, when a guy shows he can do all those things, I don’t think he’s going to lose that.”

Rey
04-27-2012, 12:47 AM
Jerry Jones? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

The guy that signed TO without talking to any of his offensive coaches or his head coach? The guy that hired his offensive coordinator before hiring his head coach? That guy?

When it comes to making deals like that Jerry has shown that he's out there. Buy more so on the offensive side of the ball.

Makes 0 sense to hire a good defensive minded coach and then not take their input into account. Unless you are suggesting that because of a few instances Jerry never sought out input from his staff mainly Phillips? No way either if us could know that.

But anyways this thread is not about jones. Back to the topic.

I don't like the pick. I'm not neutral or undecided. For this team next year I dont like it. I can see him developing into a good player in future years, but I don't see him making a big impact next year even if pressed into duty because of injuries.

dtran04
04-27-2012, 12:53 AM
Jerry also drafted a guy today they had zero contact with.......at all. Claiborne thought it was a prank call.

wolf123
04-27-2012, 12:57 AM
When it comes to making deals like that Jerry has shown that he's out there. Buy more so on the offensive side of the ball.

Makes 0 sense to hire a good defensive minded coach and then not take their input into account. Unless you are suggesting that because of a few instances Jerry never sought out input from his staff mainly Phillips? No way either if us could know that.

But anyways this thread is not about jones. Back to the topic.

I don't like the pick. I'm not neutral or undecided. For this team next year I dont like it. I can see him developing into a good player in future years, but I don't see him making a big impact next year even if pressed into duty because of injuries.

Who did you want them to take? Wades defense is based on pass rush and we got one with a non-stop motor.

leebigeztx
04-27-2012, 01:02 AM
I called mercilus months ago even if wright was on the board. The gap from mercilus to the next best olb/pass rusher is bigger than the one to the wr. Wr and cb are the deepest in the draft this year. Mercilus is a guy who doesn't have to be schemed to get a sack. Of all the de's who will stand up,he's the most natural. This was a great pick. Not to mention,hill is a project big time. The advisory board gave him a 3rd rd grade. Just because he ran fast in a straight line doesn't mean gms vaulted him up. His short shuttle suggest he can come out a break and gain seperation.

Doppelganger
04-27-2012, 01:02 AM
I voted "No opinion yet."

I am not disappointed. I am not excited.

My main concern is this: Is Mercilus the better guy between him and Nick Perry? For some reason, Nick Perry just looks stronger.

We didn't reach for a WR, which is good news. I am a bit shocked that we didn't go with an OL when Zeitler was still there, Martin was still there, etc. I really figured that Winston's outright release meant we needed more depth on the line.

The thing that makes me sort of OK right now is that Wade Phillips knows what he wants. And the proof is in Son of Bum's puddin'. If it sits well with Wade, then I'm fine with it. Just have that nagging feeling that Nick Perry would have been a better choice.

Perry does not fit all that well in a 3-4. While he is a strong pass rusher, he can't really drop that well in coverage, so he may struggle as a 3-4 OLB. As a 3-4 DE, he would have to matchup with a couple of big bodies and I am not sure that is the best place to take advantage of his skill set. I think he is best positioned to excel as a 4-3 DE.

Rey
04-27-2012, 01:07 AM
Who did you want them to take? Wades defense is based on pass rush and we got one with a non-stop motor.

There are a few guys I would rather have had. But I'm not one to cry over spilled milk. He's a Texan now and he has my support and fandom. I anxiously await to be proven wrong.

Nawzer
04-27-2012, 01:14 AM
I don't see why Mercilus wouldn't succeed in the Texans defense. He'll have one job and one job only and that's to rush the passer. The Texans won't depend on him to get 15 sacks, he'll be part of a rotation primarily to keep Barwin and Reed fresh.With the loss of Mario Williams, adding a guy like Mercilus could potentially negate the blow somewhat. Wade's defense is simple from what we've all read and heard, so he should come in and contribute right away. I agree that he's not the strongest, but he'll be on the outside and he'll use his speed and motor to get to the QB. I think at #26 this was a good value pick for us because I don't think there were really any true 1st round WRs besides Blackmon.

mussop
04-27-2012, 01:38 AM
I called mercilus months ago even if wright was on the board. The gap from mercilus to the next best olb/pass rusher is bigger than the one to the wr. Wr and cb are the deepest in the draft this year. Mercilus is a guy who doesn't have to be schemed to get a sack. Of all the de's who will stand up,he's the most natural. This was a great pick. Not to mention,hill is a project big time. The advisory board gave him a 3rd rd grade. Just because he ran fast in a straight line doesn't mean gms vaulted him up. His short shuttle suggest he can come out a break and gain seperation.

Another inside tip from Pat Kirwin? :kitten:

mussop
04-27-2012, 01:39 AM
Why can't we see who voted what?

Allstar
04-27-2012, 01:56 AM
Why can't we see who voted what?

Poll creator gets to choose whether or not to make it public.

Bulls on Parade
04-27-2012, 02:07 AM
How many times have the Texans selected a defensive player in round one? I'm recalling David Carr, Andre Johnson and Duane Brown on the offensive side. Did I miss anybody else? That one year they selected two defensive players in the first round (Jason Babin draft).

With all the first-round defensive picks we should have a 1985 Bears or 2000 Ravens defense (an all-time great and dominating unit). Statistically speaking, in 2011 it wasn't far off from being something really special. It's just sort of a "really Texans, really..." kind of pick to me. I'll see how it shakes out.

Whitney Mercilus isn't who I wanted but I will cheer him on.

aussie_texan
04-27-2012, 02:20 AM
8 out of 11 i think

TheFosterTrain
04-27-2012, 02:51 AM
I like the pick, think we got good value at 26. I figured someone would reach to grab him earlier.

Has absolutely nothing to do with the way he plays, (or does it? Keep reading he has a nonstop motor) but his name alone makes me want his jersey.

pec0sb0b
04-27-2012, 02:55 AM
(on what else he’d like to get in the draft to complement the offseason acquisitions and Mercilus) “Well, that remains to be seen. We had six defensive linemen last year, and we only have five on the team right now, so I mean a guy’s got a chance to play for us there and be in the rotation. That’s a factor, and inside backer. We lost one, but we replaced one. I think we’re pretty strong right now overall. I think our secondary is pretty strong, and our front seven looks good. I’m going to beg for another draft pick, so I’m not going to beg out of that. I think there’s some guys in the draft that we like, and we’ll just see where they are.” [URL="http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Quotes-Mercilus-and-Phillips-/cfc93317-17d9-452c-a97c-690d79b93b8a"]http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Quotes-Mercilus-and-Phillips-/cfc93317-17d9-452c-a97c-690d79b93b8a[/U

Sounds like he wants someone to rotate with Antonio Smith and J.J. Watt...
DE/DT Derek Wolfe, Cincinnati

I've been saying for months that Phillips would end up making the first pick...

"I forgot to tell everybody when I signed my contract with Mr. (Bob) McNair, he said that we could get a first round pick on defense every year. That was part of it, too, so it didn’t surprise me."

kiwitexansfan
04-27-2012, 03:47 AM
(on what else he’d like to get in the draft to complement the offseason acquisitions and Mercilus) “Well, that remains to be seen. We had six defensive linemen last year, and we only have five on the team right now, so I mean a guy’s got a chance to play for us there and be in the rotation. That’s a factor, and inside backer. We lost one, but we replaced one. I think we’re pretty strong right now overall. I think our secondary is pretty strong, and our front seven looks good. I’m going to beg for another draft pick, so I’m not going to beg out of that. I think there’s some guys in the draft that we like, and we’ll just see where they are.” [URL="http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Quotes-Mercilus-and-Phillips-/cfc93317-17d9-452c-a97c-690d79b93b8a"]http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Quotes-Mercilus-and-Phillips-/cfc93317-17d9-452c-a97c-690d79b93b8a[/U

Sounds like he wants someone to rotate with Antonio Smith and J.J. Watt...
DE/DT Derek Wolfe, Cincinnati

I've been saying for months that Phillips would end up making the first pick...

"I forgot to tell everybody when I signed my contract with Mr. (Bob) McNair, he said that we could get a first round pick on defense every year. That was part of it, too, so it didn’t surprise me."

Jared Crick, Nebraska please.

kiwitexansfan
04-27-2012, 03:48 AM
Most interesting tidbit to come out of today is that Wade Phillips as part of his contract has had it gauranteed that the 1st pick will always be a defensive guy.

:bender:

pec0sb0b
04-27-2012, 04:14 AM
Ming the Merciless

Corrosion
04-27-2012, 04:27 AM
Nope, this staff for one reason or another is committed to JJ.

I wouldnt say that based off of this pick. OLB lacked depth behind Barwin & Reed. Much like DE behind Smith & Watt. Both positions need to be addressed.
This was simply the best player on the board - I figured he'd be long gone.

OK with the pick and want us to trade up and get Hill now.

No real need to trade up , still several comparable WR's on the board including Hill , Alshon Jeffery , Brian Quick , Mohamed Sanu , Nick Toon , Dwight Jones , Tommy Streeter , Marvin McNutt , Jeff Fuller , Greg Childs and Ryan Broyles.

I'd wager you could wait till the third or maybe even the fourth round and still get quality which allows the team to address OL and or DE.


We should have taken a T/G, but Mercilus is a beast. I'll take it.

Im sure they considered an OL .... but pass rushers are a premium position and at the end of the day , Mercilus was likely too good to pass up.

9ners pass on Hill, very telling

I was thinking the same thing .... According to the NFL.com rankings , there are eight (8) WR's remaining on the board that grade out better than the (ers pick AJ Jenkins.

Quote from Wade on Mercilus, via Nick Scurfield on Twitter:

Phillips on Mercilus: "They say 1-year wonder, but you wonder why they didn't play him the year before is what I wonder."

I said pretty much the same thing right here (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1943600&postcount=115)

Would've liked Hill more.

Mercilus will be a great player though. He has the heart MW is missing.

Lets see a trade up for J.Martin/Hill.

It was a wild 1st rd.

Take a look at the list of WR's still on the board .... and the fact that the 9ers passed on Hill has to make you wonder. No need to trade up with the number of highly rated WR's still on the board.
None of them look to be as good as Blackmon or Floyd but there is value deep in the draft at the position.
The number of WR's remaining is good news for the Texans , they may be able to pick DE , OL and trade back into the 3rd to grab a WR they like .... which would fill just about all the holes created in the offseason.

Most interesting tidbit to come out of today is that Wade Phillips as part of his contract has had it gauranteed that the 1st pick will always be a defensive guy.

:bender:


That was a joke .... :corrosion:

Malloy
04-27-2012, 04:49 AM
At the COMBINE:


http://media.cleveland.com/sports_impact/photo/whitney-mercilus-nfl-draftjpg-59966e9631d18604.jpg


Guns?........What Guns?????
Might he get us to forget Mario sooner than later, especially with an extra 10-20 pounds?

That is O N E big mofo! :)

kiwitexansfan
04-27-2012, 04:51 AM
That was a joke .... :corrosion:

REALLY!?!?!?!?

:kitten:

otisbean
04-27-2012, 05:41 AM
I called mercilus months ago even if wright was on the board. The gap from mercilus to the next best olb/pass rusher is bigger than the one to the wr. Wr and cb are the deepest in the draft this year. Mercilus is a guy who doesn't have to be schemed to get a sack. Of all the de's who will stand up,he's the most natural. This was a great pick. Not to mention,hill is a project big time. The advisory board gave him a 3rd rd grade. Just because he ran fast in a straight line doesn't mean gms vaulted him up. His short shuttle suggest he can come out a break and gain seperation.

I agree 100%! Mercilus is a great pick, our D will be down right scary, and we will have a top 3 pass rush this season. I was very concerned entering the season with Nading a Braman as our only back up OLBs. I like what Braman brings to the table but he very raw.

As for Hill, the Raiders are my other team and Hill reminds me of Darius Heyward Bey, fantastic athlete but raw as a WR. DHB is just now, several years later, becoming a pretty good WR. For those that think Hill would walk through the door and replace either KW or JJ, I think you're fooling yourself.

We should have no problem finding a solid WR and OL depth in the coming rds. Our draft is off to a great start.

TheFosterTrain
04-27-2012, 05:52 AM
We should have no problem finding a solid WR and OL depth in the coming rds. Our draft is off to a great start.

Agreed. WR is extremely deep in this draft. I admit, I was really high on Hill coming out of the combine (who wasn't?) but over time came to realize just how much depth this draft has at the WR position. The only two clear cut, top tier guys were Blackmon and Floyd, and we weren't getting either of those guys.

I'd still love to be able to get Hill, but realistically we'd have to trade up for him and I don't think that's worth it. Randle or Sanu if we're looking at a wideout in Rd. 2, if not, take Childs later in the draft. The only player I'd like to trade up for at this point is Martin.

silvrhand
04-27-2012, 06:01 AM
first round pick on a guy that noone ever saw play cause he played at IL, against sub par talent for one year.. We took a huge risk on yet another project player.

Would rather us seen go WR, then OG/OT before spending a first round on this guy.. For me I don't like it.

kiwitexansfan
04-27-2012, 06:09 AM
first round pick on a guy that noone ever saw play cause he played at IL, against sub par talent for one year.. We took a huge risk on yet another project player.

Would rather us seen go WR, then OG/OT before spending a first round on this guy.. For me I don't like it.

Yeah, the big ten has no talent :kitten:

TheFosterTrain
04-27-2012, 06:10 AM
first round pick on a guy that noone ever saw play cause he played at IL, against sub par talent for one year.. We took a huge risk on yet another project player.

Would rather us seen go WR, then OG/OT before spending a first round on this guy.. For me I don't like it.

He played in the Big Ten, same conference we got Watt from.

otisbean
04-27-2012, 06:29 AM
first round pick on a guy that noone ever saw play cause he played at IL, against sub par talent for one year.. We took a huge risk on yet another project player.

Would rather us seen go WR, then OG/OT before spending a first round on this guy.. For me I don't like it.

Couldn't disagree more. As others have mentioned he played in the big 10, that's a top conference.

As for project players, the WRs that would have been drafted at the end of rd 1 are projects. Hill may turn out to be a stud, but he could just as equally turn out to be another in a long line of guys that run really, really fast but can't make it the NFL as a WR.

steelbtexan
04-27-2012, 06:46 AM
He played in the Big Ten, same conference we got Watt from.

This is what I was thinking.

BTW, Silverhand I've watched many Ilini games and Mercilus was a great value pick. The guys a stud, who is only going to get better as he puts on more weight. He appears to be dedicated to his craft and is a hard worker. Kinda the anti MW/OkOye.

CloakNNNdagger
04-27-2012, 06:46 AM
Some thoughts of Wade on Mercilus.

All-American Whitney Mercilus ‘super excited’ to be picked by Texans (http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2012/04/texans-select-defensive-lineman-whitney-mercilus/#4745-27)Posted on April 26, 2012 at 9:29 pm by Dale Robertson

The Texans made out rather well by choosing a Big Ten defensive end in Wisconsin’s J. J. Watt a year ago, so they went back to the same well Thursday night.

They selected Illinois’ Whitney Mercilus with the 26th pick overall in the NFL draft.

But Mercilus, defensive coordinator Wade Phillips said, is more of a Brooks Reed – except he’s even further evolved that Reed was when the Texans chose the Arizona Wildcat with a second-round pick in 2011. And, like Reed, he’ll be converted to outside linebacker with the Phillips needing to replace Mario Williams, who was lost to Buffalo because of salary-cap problems.

“He’s more used to using his hands than Brooks was, and he’s a really good football player,” Phillips said. “By the end of the year, Brooks and J. J. were dominant players. This kid will fit right in with them.”

Looking at Mercilus junior-year stats, which were enough to wow the Texans’ coaches and scouts, it seems he’s appropriately named. No, not the Whitney part. Mercilus was, in fact, merciless for the Illini, leading the nation in both sacks (16) and forced fumbles (nine) while making 22.5 tackles for losses.

In Phillips’ mind, he’s no project, despite his being a “one-year wonder” at Illinois and only 21 years old. The plan is to insert him immediately into a three-man rotation with Reed and Connor Barwin when the opposing quarterback has no choice but to throw the football.

“He’s like the guys we have,” Phillips said. “He’s a smart player (who’s) athletic, tough, physical and a self-starter, a high motor guy who plays with ability. He’s one of the top pass rushers in the draft. He’s got some natural moves. You don’t get 16 sacks in that league if you don’t have some natural gifts.”

Interestingly, Mercilus played for the same defensive line coach as Barwin had at Cincinnati, Keith Gilmore.

Phillips said he Texans had “an opportunity to trade up because we thought he was that valuable” to ensure they could choose Mercilus, the son of Haitian immigrants who decided to turn pro to help his family financially, but Phillips said they “held their ground” and still got their man. He was clearly their top choice, realistically speaking.

“When I signed my contract with (owner Bob) McNair (before the 2011 season),” Phillips said, laughing, “he told me we could get a first-round draft choice every year.”

Watt delivered the goods in 2011, starting every game as a rookie at defensive end, while Reed started the last 13 – including the Texans’ first two in the playoffs in franchise history – after Williams was lost for the season to injury. Despite their inexperience and the newness of Phillips’ 3-4 scheme, the Texans climbed from near bottom to second in the league defensively.

Mercilus played in the 2010 Texas Bowl at Reliant Stadium against Baylor – forcing a Robert Griffin III fumble – but admitted the Texans weren’t on his radar screen until after he visited with team officials at the draft combine in February. He also confessed that he didn’t know much about Phillips but said he was eager to learn from him.

“I’m super excited,” he said. “I can’t wait to be part of the Houston Texans’ system. It’s unbelievable. I’m looking to learn (but) to contribute right away.”

Mercilus likes to think of himself a something of a cross between Julius Peppers and Dwight Freeney, combining power with finesse as a pass-rusher. He’s arguably the best at same to come out of Illinois since Simeon Rice, who played for 12 seasons, went to the Pro Bowl three times and earned a Super Bowl ring with Tampa Bay.

The only question mark he brings to Houston is the depth of his resumé. He was hardly a star performer before last fall, starting only 15 games as a collegian. Intelligence isn’t a question mark. He graduated early with 3.0 GPA.

“I just became more astute about the game,” Mercilus said, explaining his explosive improvement. “When I got my chance, I was ready to make the most of it.”

One of the stranger – but most telling moments – of his Illinois tenure happened when he lost the tip of his left index finger in a weight-room accident, then made light of the situation. Had there been any doubting his toughness before that, none lingered.

Phillips referred to Mercilus, because of his pass-rushing acumen, as a “difference maker.” Although he didn’t always manhandle offensive tackles in college, that’s not to be seen as negative given how the Texans will use him.

“They’re going against huge offensive tackles, and he’s 260 pounds, so he’s not going to look at strong in the three-point stance. But they’ll look a lot stronger when they’re rushing the passer on third down. When you play him outside linebacker, now he’s playing against tight ends and backs.

“We’ll come up with something (that works for him). We’ll put him in there and let him rush the passer. He’s a natural. If he’d stayed (in college)for another year, he’d be a top-10 pick.”

1bigfan13
04-27-2012, 06:47 AM
The only concern I have about the pick is that he doesn't have an extended track record. I'm hoping he's not a one year wonder.

After Wright went off the board I had a feeling we'd probably go defense. There are still some quality WRs that can fall to us in the 2nd. Alshon Jeffery isn't a bad consolation prize.

I like what Mercilus can potentially add to the defense. The Giants have won two Super Bowls recently thanks to the strength of the their defensive front 7 and pass rush.

If we can get that in Houston we'll alway be in the think of things.

ckhouston
04-27-2012, 06:48 AM
Because Smith is going to want to see some "love" from the Texans on his next deal. It's just the game that gets played.

Smith is already overpaid, and will either be paid considerably less or be on a different team in the future. Could be we just drafted his replacement.

Lucky
04-27-2012, 06:49 AM
Shocked beyond belief he was still available at 26.
I thought Mercilus would go #18, #19, or #20. I can understand why the Chargers passed and went with Ingram. Ingram has done it longer and is more versatile. I don't get McClellin for the Bears, unless they plan on playing him at OLB. That the Titans passed on Mercilus for a slot receiver makes me laugh. I also think Belichick made a big mistake taking Chandler Jones over Mercilus.

Picking up the nation's leading pass rusher at #26, who has impressive measurables, was fortunate. One of the talking heads last night compared Mercilus to the Niners Aldon Smith, who was coveted by Wade Phillips last year. I can see that comparison. The Texans will face some tough QBs this year, and this pick indicates that the Texans plan to go after them.

ckhouston
04-27-2012, 06:53 AM
I'm hoping tomorrow for us to trade up and get Randle. I think we can afford that luxury. We can give up one of our extra 4ths to move up.

Based on the smart pick they made last night, I doubt they go into stupid mode today. When they pick they will get the best OL or WR available, unless somone drops completely unexpected and they cant pass up the player at another position. Then rinse and repeat in the 3rd. In the fourth with the two picks I expect to see them grab a QB or an extra WR, and another OL.

kiwitexansfan
04-27-2012, 06:57 AM
This is what I was thinking.

BTW, Silverhand I've watched many Ilini games and Mercilus was a great value pick. The guys a stud, who is only going to get better as he puts on more weight. He appears to be dedicated to his craft and is a hard worker. Kinda the anti MW/OkOye.

Doesn't he weigh 260lbs? How big do you need your OLB?

ckhouston
04-27-2012, 06:58 AM
Very possible. I was thinking Texans do not want to be caught in a Mario situation ever again. Yet we have 3 possibles in 2013, Barwin as you mention, Schaub and Duane Brown.

Not a chance. Barwin and Brown will be re-signed, Matt is gone.

Norg
04-27-2012, 07:01 AM
maybe he can rotate with the Ninja has well ya know

having a 3 man rotation could maybe even open up some plays to were brain cushing can do some blitzen ????

Norg
04-27-2012, 07:05 AM
i think we need a TE more then a WR right now

our starting WR are still all on the team

AJ

Kevin walter

J Jones

4th guy

if we draft a WR he will pretty much be battling for a 3rd spot

CloakNNNdagger
04-27-2012, 07:09 AM
Some interesting background on our new Texan. One thing that those that have criticisms of his play...........HE IS ONLY 21 YEARS OLD..........I.E., ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF UP SIDE.


from The Cleveland Plain Dealer (http://www.cleveland.com/sports/index.ssf/2012/04/former_akron_garfield_standout.html)
April 24, 2012

The phone began ringing after the incredible numbers piled up -- 16 sacks, nine forced fumbles last season.

NFL scouts called about Illinois junior defensive end Whitney Mercilus asking the same question: Who is this guy?

Well, maybe not who, but what, as in, "What was the difference between last year and this year?" said Keith Gilmore, his college position coach. "Why all of a sudden he became a great player."

It was as if the 6-4, 261-pound Mercilus suddenly emerged from a cornfield to become a likely first-round pick Thursday in the NFL draft.

The former Akron Garfield standout and Plain Dealer All-Star had started just two games with one sack as a sophomore, and recorded just one sack as a redshirt freshman.

It wasn't a cornfield. It was a weight room, and the football classroom, and intense training to improve his speed and pass-rushing technique.

"I became more of a student of the game," he said by phone recently between stops on a whirlwind tour of NFL team visits. "And also I worked harder in terms of developing my body."

The student's confidence grew with experience and playing time, Gilmore said, and he better understood blocking schemes and how offenses might try to handle him.

"And I would say his finger had a lot to do with it, too," said his younger brother, Donald, a freshman free safety and double business major at Mount Union.

Mercilus lost the tip of his left index finger in a weightlifting accident when he reached in to help a teammate who was losing control of a lift. The fingertip was cut off between the weights and weight stand.

"That just opened his eyes to see that anything could happen any day," his brother said. "I guess he looked at life in a new perspective."

As the season progressed, Gilmore also reminded Mercilus, who plays with a finger splint inside his glove, to worry less and just cut it loose.

"I think early in the year, he was afraid to make a mistake," Gilmore said. "He's such a conscientious kid. It was an ongoing conversation."

The conversation has shifted to how high in the draft Mercilus will go. Most draft analysts project him as a mid-to-late first-rounder.

Seven teams, including the Browns, Chicago and San Diego, brought him in for a visit. Green Bay and Baltimore sent his high school coach questionnaires to learn more about him.

"Where I land is not really a preference to me," said Mercilus, the middle child of Haitian immigrants who settled in Akron by way of New York. "Football is football, no matter how you look at."

But when Garfield High School coach Bob Sax first caught a glimpse, Mercilus was a 6-0, 185-pound freshman without a clue. He hadn't played a down -- at any level.

"He was really raw," Sax said. "You could tell he didn't really know how to block or run routes."

Mercilus, initially a tight end, still remembers his first game.

"I want to say it was against East," he said. "I got a tight end 'pop pass' and caught the ball, but I fumbled it because the kid put his helmet right on the ball and made it come out. That was my first time."

By his junior year of high school, though, he was athletic, big and strong enough to play both ways -- tight end and defensive end -- and colleges paid attention.

"Every time he comes home, he'd be like, 'Dad, mister such and such is going to come down to my school to see me play,' " recalled his father Wilner Mercilus, who works as a caregiver for senior citizens.

"I'd say: 'Are you sure? Are you getting that good? Are you sure they're coming to your school to see you play?' I knew he could do whatever he can on a field to become good, but it was hard for me to believe they were coming to school only to focus on him, you know?"

Some colleges identified his son as a tight end. Illinois, which he chose partly to be closer to home, recruited him for defense.

"I definitely wanted to play defense instead of offense," Mercilus said. "Give the hit, not take it."

Last fall, he was a giver.

The nine forced fumbles are a Big Ten single-season record and just one short of an NCAA record. His 16 sacks tied an Illinois record (NFL Pro Bowler Simeon Rice in 1994).

"We always knew what he could do," said Illinois teammate Justin Staples, a redshirt senior defensive lineman from St. Edward, who was in the same Illini recruiting class with Mercilus, Mayfield's Ashante Williams and Glenville's Cordell Scott. "I've never seen Whitney take a play off."

The accolades poured in. Mercilus was named a first-team All-American by nine news outlets/publications, including the Associated Press, Football Writers Association of America and American Football Coaches Association.

After his record-setting junior season, Mercilus talked to his parents and coaches about whether to go pro, got an estimate from the NFL about his possible draft ranking and declared himself eligible. Because of his athleticism, Mercilus also is being looked at as a 3-4 outside linebacker.

Mercilus said it was a tough decision, being a semester short of a community health degree, which he said is important to him and his parents. He also didn't want to declare for the draft and then slip to the late rounds or not get chosen at all. He has heard the "one-hit wonder" whispers.

But the consensus had his value much higher.

"That made me more comfortable about my decision," he said. "Got the NFL grade back, which was a third-round grade, and they usually do it conservatively. So I thought, second round, why not? So I decided to make the jump."

So, on Thursday night, Mercilus, surrounded by family and friends, many coming from out of town, and some on Skype to Haiti, will be in Akron as his football future unfolds on the national stage.

"There is what is called joy, happiness," his father said. "Then at the same time fear, stress, all combined together. That day, we're going to be sitting in front of the TV, you're heart is going to be beeping high."

"No matter what comes," said his mother Yvrose, "it comes."

ckhouston
04-27-2012, 07:17 AM
i think we need a TE more then a WR right now

our starting WR are still all on the team

AJ

Kevin walter

J Jones

4th guy

if we draft a WR he will pretty much be battling for a 3rd spot

We have a WR ... Lestar Jean who may very well be the future. We also have a TE in Graham who may be as well. I say OL is our next position of true need right now.

infantrycak
04-27-2012, 07:23 AM
I like the pick. Having a rotation of guys with different moves can really play havoc with an OL. The tackles tend to get used to patterns.

Smith is already overpaid, and will either be paid considerably less or be on a different team in the future. Could be we just drafted his replacement.

Mercilus is going to be an OLB so long as Phillips is here. He is not suited to 3-4 DE.

Not a chance. Barwin and Brown will be re-signed, Matt is gone.

As much as you want and hope for it won't make it true. Unless there is a physical issue he is the QB. Have a drink, lay down under a tree and hope your somnambulance caries you through to when Schaub isn't QB.

ckhouston
04-27-2012, 07:25 AM
Unless there is a physical issue

I agree and stand by my prediction ... he is gone.

steelbtexan
04-27-2012, 07:34 AM
Doesn't he weigh 260lbs? How big do you need your OLB?

He doesn't need to be bigger. Wade will scheme him where he will be rushing the passer against TE's, RB's. He will be a diffrence maker in Wades defense. Mercilus has the explosion off the ball that all great pass rushers have. He reminds me of Tamba Hali coming out of college.

Mercilus will put on weight naturally (he's only 21 yrs old) as his body matures.

otisbean
04-27-2012, 07:50 AM
Mercilus is eerily similar to this this guy:

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profilexnews.php?pyid=89738&draftyear=2010&genpos=DE

Similar, numbers athletically, similar break out season, though Mercilus put up even better numbers in a superior conference. Hopefully, he'll have similar success in the NFL

rmartin65
04-27-2012, 08:01 AM
I slept on it... and now I would change my pick to 'I love it!'.

I worry about him being a one year guy, but I trust Wade. Also, there is no question the kid is talented (live in Big 10 country, saw him play a couple times) and a hard worker.

My only other concern is a lack of explosion, as I mentioned earlier. 32 inch vertical confirms that. He is quick, not so much explosive. I dont think he will be a high sack number guy (meaning 15+, I think 8-12 is a better projection), but he will be in the QBs face a lot.

otisbean
04-27-2012, 08:05 AM
I slept on it... and now I would change my pick to 'I love it!'.

I worry about him being a one year guy, but I trust Wade. Also, there is no question the kid is talented (live in Big 10 country, saw him play a couple times) and a hard worker.

My only other concern is a lack of explosion, as I mentioned earlier. 32 inch vertical confirms that. He is quick, not so much explosive. I dont think he will be a high sack number guy (meaning 15+, I think 8-12 is a better projection), but he will be in the QBs face a lot.

He ran a 1.56 10yd, that's explosive. If you check the link on JPP I just posted you'll see they have similar numbers and I think most would say JPP is an explosive athlete

Corrosion
04-27-2012, 08:07 AM
first round pick on a guy that noone ever saw play cause he played at IL, against sub par talent for one year.. We took a huge risk on yet another project player.

Would rather us seen go WR, then OG/OT before spending a first round on this guy.. For me I don't like it.

Maybe this will make you feel better - Whitney Mercilus Vs Wisconsin (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWfNeKi_hfc)


Whitney Mercilus vs Ohio State (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ndXFxPUoJM)

Whitney Mercilus vs UCLA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60fJEcIF1h8&feature=related)

Whitney Mercilus Illinois vs Penn State (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rzIl6oVGUQ)

Rey
04-27-2012, 08:08 AM
I slept on it and I feel a smidgen better. Only because wade acknowledges that OT's gave him trouble as a de and he wants to consistently get him matched up on te's and backs.

Overall I still don't like the pick. Doesn't seem very explosive or strong on tape. Even his highlight tape wasn't very impressive to me.

But as ive said many times I hope like he'll that I'm wrong and he goes beast mode. Not holding my breath though.

Corrosion
04-27-2012, 08:11 AM
I slept on it and I feel a smidgen better. Only because wade acknowledges that OT's gave him trouble as a de and he wants to consistently get him matched up on te's and backs.

Overall I still don't like the pick. Doesn't seem very explosive or strong on tape. Even his highlight tape wasn't very impressive to me.

But as ive said many times I hope like he'll that I'm wrong and he goes beast mode. Not holding my breath though.

He didnt look good Vs the run as a DE , didnt seem to get off of blocks well but as a pass rusher , its a different story. He can get after the QB.

rmartin65
04-27-2012, 08:12 AM
He ran a 1.56 10yd, that's explosive. If you check the link on JPP I just posted you'll see they have similar numbers and I think most would say JPP is an explosive athlete

I am just going with what I saw on the field- quick, not so much explosive. This late in the first, a guy wont be a perfect prospect. At 26 I am satisfied with what we got.

TimeKiller
04-27-2012, 08:27 AM
I'm good with it. There's a decent cross section of his 2011 season on youtube and he's all over the place. Usually lined up face up square with the OTs, he's quick off the snap and strong in the trenches. I think they'll move him farther out, to really utilize his natural ability in space rather than confine him in-line. The guy really hustles, that's for damn sure. Wade may have just got him another stud.

El Tejano
04-27-2012, 08:29 AM
i think its a good pick, he is very quick and powerful. We lost Mario and i see a lot of the same physical features in this young man, so i am please overall.

Was wanting a WR until Wright went off the board. i guess J.J it is :kubepalm:

Don't worry man. These guys are still available and I feel for a lot better deal.

Marvin Jones WR Cal
Brian Quick WR Appalachian St.
Mohamed Sanu WR Rutgers
Stephen Hill WR Georgia Tech
Alshon Jefferey WR South Carolina
Nick Toon WR Wisconsin
Ryan Broyles WR Oklahoma

and if for some reason he is still there today....Coby Fleener TE Stanford

Corrosion
04-27-2012, 08:31 AM
I'm good with it. There's a decent cross section of his 2011 season on youtube and he's all over the place. Usually lined up face up square with the OTs, he's quick off the snap and strong in the trenches. I think they'll move him farther out, to really utilize his natural ability in space rather than confine him in-line. The guy really hustles, that's for damn sure. Wade may have just got him another stud.

Yeah , I posted these earlier and they got burried at the bottom of the page , reposting them here.

Whitney Mercilus Vs Wisconsin (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWfNeKi_hfc)


Whitney Mercilus vs Ohio State (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ndXFxPUoJM)

Whitney Mercilus vs UCLA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60fJEcIF1h8&feature=related)

Whitney Mercilus Illinois vs Penn State (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rzIl6oVGUQ)

TimeKiller
04-27-2012, 08:31 AM
Don't worry man. These guys are still available and I feel for a lot better deal.

Marvin Jones WR Cal
Brian Quick WR Appalachian St.
Mohamed Sanu WR Rutgers
Stephen Hill WR Georgia Tech
Alshon Jefferey WR South Carolina
Nick Toon WR Wisconsin
Ryan Broyles WR Oklahoma

and if for some reason he is still there today....Coby Fleener TE Stanford

For sure, there is going to be someone dropping to us in the 2nd as well. Ol' Smithy boy just stood pat while the trades flew around him and let a guy fall right to him.

Blake
04-27-2012, 08:38 AM
I slept on it... and now I would change my pick to 'I love it!'.

I worry about him being a one year guy, but I trust Wade. Also, there is no question the kid is talented (live in Big 10 country, saw him play a couple times) and a hard worker.

My only other concern is a lack of explosion, as I mentioned earlier. 32 inch vertical confirms that. He is quick, not so much explosive. I dont think he will be a high sack number guy (meaning 15+, I think 8-12 is a better projection), but he will be in the QBs face a lot.

Glad to see you came around. I wont go gaga over the guy either, but we got a football player who gives 110% every play. Taking plays off pisses off most every fan, so getting a guy who wont do that is pretty badass.

Also, it could have been alot worse. 9ners taking Jenkins #30 overall??

Mike Kerns
04-27-2012, 08:44 AM
This guy was my "best case scenario" for round one, so to say that I am ecstatic with the pick is an understatement. He is going to absolutely RAKE in Wade's scheme.

Rey
04-27-2012, 08:57 AM
He didnt look good Vs the run as a DE , didnt seem to get off of blocks well but as a pass rusher , its a different story. He can get after the QB.

His biggest attribute that I saw was his effort. Not a bad thing.

I don't think the guy sucks, I just don't think he was the best player left on the board there.

I would have rather had the guy that went off the board right after him. But whatever, he's a Texan now kick some ass.

I would consider him an ok to good pass rusher. Maybe wade's scheme can make him really good or great.

IDEXAN
04-27-2012, 08:59 AM
Don't worry man. These guys are still available and I feel for a lot better deal.

Marvin Jones WR Cal
Brian Quick WR Appalachian St.
Mohamed Sanu WR Rutgers
Stephen Hill WR Georgia Tech
Alshon Jefferey WR South Carolina
Nick Toon WR Wisconsin
Ryan Broyles WR Oklahoma

and if for some reason he is still there today....Coby Fleener TE Stanford
Isn't the LSU receiver Rueben Randle also still on the Board ?

Brisco_County
04-27-2012, 09:03 AM
His biggest attribute that I saw was his effort. Not a bad thing.

I don't think the guy sucks, I just don't think he was the best player left on the board there.

I would have rather had the guy that went off the board right after him. But whatever, he's a Texan now kick some ass.

I would consider him an ok to good pass rusher. Maybe wade's scheme can make him really good or great.

I'm glad that there are some non-Koolaid drinkers here, but I'm having trouble understanding this statement when he had the most sacks in NCAA.

bckey
04-27-2012, 09:03 AM
This guy was my "best case scenario" for round one, so to say that I am ecstatic with the pick is an understatement. He is going to absolutely RAKE in Wade's scheme.

I agree. I didn't think he would make it to 26 as the draft got closer. The guy is going to be an absolute beast of a pass rusher. I was thinking the Texans would end up with Shea McClelin, Nick Perry or Chandler Jones because Mercilus would be long gone. This is a fantastic pick. Extremely happy!

Corrosion
04-27-2012, 09:08 AM
His biggest attribute that I saw was his effort. Not a bad thing.

I don't think the guy sucks, I just don't think he was the best player left on the board there.

I would have rather had the guy that went off the board right after him. But whatever, he's a Texan now kick some ass.

I would consider him an ok to good pass rusher. Maybe wade's scheme can make him really good or great.



I picked Zietler in the Texans Draft Challenge thing .... Would have loved to get him.

Pass rushers are at a premium .... and consider the who's who list of QB's this team will face this season , I cant complain.

I noticed Merciles played DT on some occasions .... Might be interesting to plug him in between Watt and Smith on passing downs with Barwin , Reed and Cushing ....





Isn't the LSU receiver Rueben Randle also still on the Board ?

List of WR's still available -


Hill
Alshon Jeffery
Brian Quick
Mohamed Sanu
Nick Toon
Dwight Jones
Tommy Streeter
Marvin McNutt
Jeff Fuller
Greg Childs
Ryan Broyles.


Out of that group - someone will be there when the Texans are up with #4 of the 4th.
I'd almost be content to go with two of the three - OL , DE , CB in the second and third thinking that one of those big WR's is going to fall.
Sure , I prefer some over others but if you can get value at those other spots , you almost have to do it.

Blake
04-27-2012, 09:14 AM
Isn't the LSU receiver Rueben Randle also still on the Board ?

Yes he is. He is the top WR on the board. I would like to see the Texans move up and grab him.

Rey
04-27-2012, 09:17 AM
I'm glad that there are some non-Koolaid drinkers here, but I'm having trouble understanding this statement when he had the most sacks in NCAA.

There are a lot of guys that put up prolific stats in college that don't pan out in the NFL.

I'm answering your question specifically...Right now I'm not suggesting that Mercilus won't pan out (whatever your definition of "pan out" is) because I don't know that.

TexanAddict
04-27-2012, 09:36 AM
This was my best case scenario for the way the draft played out. The guy looks like he gives good effort on all plays and really got after the QB last season. He's the same size as Reed, but a tick faster in his 40 and just a tick slower in his 10 yd split (Reed's split was ridiculously good last year). Plus, the dude's biggest weakness was being on the line and being run directly at, which shouldn't be a problem, since I expect them to start off using him as a situational pass rusher in their rotation.

I'm happy. Now we just need to move up to secure a receiver like Hill, Randle, or Jeffrey.

Vinny
04-27-2012, 09:40 AM
He hasn't played football very long since he wasn't from America. He was a soccer player I think.

nero THE zero
04-27-2012, 09:42 AM
He hasn't played football very long since he wasn't from America. He was a soccer player I think.

Oh, you went there.
http://www.answersfrommen.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/olajuwon-dream-shake.jpg

Rey
04-27-2012, 09:42 AM
Mercilus' startling 2011 season sent scouts scrambling to learn more about him, and the news was better than expected. After two mediocre seasons at Illinois, Mercilus used cat-like moves to become an All-American and win the Ted Hendricks Award as the best defensive end in the country. He led the nation with 16 sacks, nine forced fumbles and had 22.5 tackles for a loss. Of all his statistics, forced fumbles is the one that many scouts admire most. "I just have a knack for it," he said. "Throughout the game I was able to watch the quarterback's movements and just see him open up and then I just go in there and just knock it away." Scouts gush a listof positives traits, including quickness, agility, strength, instincts, condition, attitude ... and he is just beginning to mature and could be a great outside linebacker. Reaching for comparisons, they mention names like Simeon Rice, Dwight Freeney, Richard Dent, and even the great Reggie White. The U.S.-born son of parents who emigrated from Haiti in the 1980s, Mercilus played mostly soccer until high school. His 2011 season had an auspicious beginning when he lost the tip of his left index finger last spring in a weight-room accident. Teammates were shocked when he light-heartedly dismissed the injury as only a bother when he played the keyboard or tried to pick up coins

Pass rush: Very active and plays with top effort on every snap. Moves all around the defensive line, lining up off the edge and inside at defensive tackle. Has the natural speed to win the edge and closes in a flash. Attacks gaps and is a pesky rusher, finding ways to squirm into the backfield. Hard player to block cleanly. Plays with a fighting mentality and has the violent hand usage to battle through the trash and make the play. Hustle player with a nonstop motor. Tends to play high and doesn't worry much about technique or fundamentals. Still developing his snap anticipation and will jump offside at times. Run defense: Lacks an obvious power element to his game andstruggles to shed blocks on run plays. Doesn't consistently set the edge and will over run his responsibilities. Still developing his recognition skills and instincts. Struggles to consistently locate the ball and will get caught out of position at times. Explosion: Fires off the snap with a first step burst that really stands out. A bit tight in the hips and straight-linish in his movements. Lacks great change-of-direction ability to explode laterally or smoothly redirect his momentum. Strength: Has adequate build with very good length and overall measureables. Plays tough with the hand strength to rip the ball out and force fumbles. Lacks an ideal frame for the position and doesn't have the prototypical muscle definition. Lacks great bulk and doesn't have a lot of room to get much bigger. Tackling: Physical in the trenches and doesn't try to avoid contact. Has long arms to wrap and wrestle ballcarriers to the ground. Takes pride in his ability to finish and complete tackles. Intangibles: Has only one year of starting production under his belt, causing questions about being a "one year wonder" and was a relative unknown entering the 2011 season. Had above average production in 2011, leading the nation in sacks (16.0) and forced fumbles (9) and finishing second in tackles for loss (22.5) -- consistent production week-in and week-out as a junior in 2011. Decided to leave early to help his family financially (both his parents are immigrants from Haiti). --Dane Brugler


http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1689559

nero THE zero
04-27-2012, 09:45 AM
Highly productive one-year-wonder Junior that Wade covets?

Welcome to the Texans Aldon Sm... er... Whitney Mercilus.

Rey
04-27-2012, 09:48 AM
I talked about Anthony Spencer earlier on another topic...But their measureables are actually similar.

bckey
04-27-2012, 09:49 AM
List of WR's still available -


Hill
Alshon Jeffery
Brian Quick
Mohamed Sanu
Nick Toon
Dwight Jones
Tommy Streeter
Marvin McNutt
Jeff Fuller
Greg Childs
Ryan Broyles.


Out of that group - someone will be there when the Texans are up with #4 of the 4th.
I'd almost be content to go with two of the three - OL , DE , CB in the second and third thinking that one of those big WR's is going to fall.
Sure , I prefer some over others but if you can get value at those other spots , you almost have to do it.



These are the wr's I like in order of preference:

Ruben Randle
Stephen Hill
Brian Quick
Greg Childs
Alshon Jeffery
Mohamed Sanu
Tommy Streeter
Marvin McNutt
T Y Hilton

At some point in this draft the Texans will have to address the DT position. Depth is a big problem there. I like Mike Martin and Derek Wolfe but there are alot of DT's in this draft that could come in and provide much needed help. Ta'Amu, Crick, Worthy,Still, Thompson

Rey
04-27-2012, 09:50 AM
If we get Alshon I'll be a very happy Texan.

Vinny
04-27-2012, 09:52 AM
These are the wr's I like in order of preference:

Ruben Randle
Stephen Hill
Brian Quick
Greg Childs
Alshon Jeffery
Mohamed Sanu
Tommy Streeter
Marvin McNutt
T Y Hilton

At some point in this draft the Texans will have to address the DT position. Depth is a big problem there. I like Mike Martin and Derek Wolfe but there are alot of DT's in this draft that could come in and provide much needed help. Ta'Amu, Crick, Worthy,Still, Thompson
Wade said after the draft (last night) that we are still one roster sport short on DT so I'd think that they will address that for sure.

I think the team will take a wr in the 3rd and/or 4th rounds since much of the talent is similar (as far as a finished product goes).

Ryan
04-27-2012, 09:53 AM
I'd personally like to see us try to trade up for Stephen Hill or Randle since we have an extra 4th to play with. I'd be thrilled with our draft already.

drunkcookie
04-27-2012, 09:59 AM
I'd personally like to see us try to trade up for Stephen Hill or Randle since we have an extra 4th to play with. I'd be thrilled with our draft already.

I like Hill, and am "iffy" on Randle (but hey, what do i know?), but for whatever position they want i think they can move up...

We can make fun of Jacoby all we want (and we probably should), but there is a team out there that probably wouldn't mind having him as a no.4 wr, maybe punt returner as well... Give 'em that extra 4th rd pick along with JJ and who knows, maybe they'll take...

or was Al Davis our only hope?....damn!

(Edit: sorry if you read the incomplete post...accidently pressed submit on my Tapatalk)

bckey
04-27-2012, 10:00 AM
Wade said after the draft (last night) that we are still one roster sport short on DT so I'd think that they will address that for sure.

I think the team will take a wr in the 3rd and/or 4th rounds since much of the talent is similar (as far as a finished product goes).

Agreed Vinny. Who do you like at DT?

Vinny
04-27-2012, 10:00 AM
We can make fun of Jacoby all we want (and we probably should), but there is a team out there that probably wouldn't mind having him as a no.4 wr, maybe punt returner as well... Give 'not for what he makes. He's not a credible wr for anyone really....if he can't be a credible wr here, I donno where he could make it.

NitroGSXR
04-27-2012, 10:02 AM
He hasn't played football very long since he wasn't from America. He was a soccer player I think.

But he played TE before. That was enough for the Texans.

:bender:

drunkcookie
04-27-2012, 10:04 AM
not for what he makes. He's not a credible wr for anyone really....if he can't be a credible wr here, I donno where he could make it.

No doubt you're right...but GMs and coaches don't always make the right calls...we have to hope for one of those GMs/coaches... There are a couple out there we could ask for a dance...

nero THE zero
04-27-2012, 10:05 AM
Wade said after the draft (last night) that we are still one roster sport short on DT so I'd think that they will address that for sure.

I think the team will take a wr in the 3rd and/or 4th rounds since much of the talent is similar (as far as a finished product goes).

Garrett Wolfe would be perfect.

IDEXAN
04-27-2012, 10:06 AM
Q: What influence have your parents had on you?
A: “My parents are Haitian immigrants. I can’t give you a dateline of when they came here or anything like that, but they worked for everything. They broke their backs throughout the years just to put food on the table for me, my brother and my sister. They just instilled those values in us and just to work hard, never give up at anything in life and just keep pushing forward and go for great things. It definitely happened.”
Q: What factors weighed in your decision to enter the draft early?
A: “This has been a passion all my life to definitely play at the next level. But also it was a way to help my family financially, because I didn’t come from a background where I had money just laying out there that I could use. It was a way just to help them out and provide them with a life that they deserve because they’ve worked so hard for all their life. Now it’s my turn to take care of them.”
http://blog.seahawks.com/2012/04/21/a-few-moments-with-whitney-mercilus/
**************************
No feelings of entitlement with this young man, I like his attitude.

otisbean
04-27-2012, 10:09 AM
I talked about Anthony Spencer earlier on another topic...But their measureables are actually similar.

He has similar measurables (actually a bit better) than Pierre-Paul, who also was kind of a 1yr wonder. I'd be ecstatic if he turns out to be that kind of player

Vinny
04-27-2012, 10:10 AM
Agreed Vinny. Who do you like at DT?

someone like Brandon Thompson...he can play all across the line from NT to 5 technique but I'd draft him as a NT and a run stopper inside for short yardage and goal line.

Billy Winn seems to be a Wade kind of guy though....high motor, good slashing skills, but with enough size to be stout vs the run.

I think we are better in passing downs than we are in short yardage....so I'd like to see more of a space eater in the middle of the field.

badboy
04-27-2012, 10:10 AM
Not a chance. Barwin and Brown will be re-signed, Matt is gone.not disagreeing, but don't you have to make sure we have his replacement? As I posted somwhere in this madhouse, let's say Schaub is healthy, would he not get all if not most of the snaps? How sure can you be Yates is the future from basically watching him inpractice?

Vinny
04-27-2012, 10:12 AM
No doubt you're right...but GMs and coaches don't always make the right calls...we have to hope for one of those GMs/coaches... There are a couple out there we could ask for a dance...

nobody is going to trade for Jones...put the smoke down.

HTown2ATX
04-27-2012, 10:19 AM
I don't know a ton about him but I expected OLB to be filled with the 1st pick b/c I finally realized that they apparently don't take replacing Jacoby that seriously just yet and I trust Wade. Also, the last name is nice! :jam:

Maddict5
04-27-2012, 10:20 AM
wade said we were 1 short on the d-line not DT. we've cody and earl (who i cant remember playing any DE last yr) at NT/DT so i understood it to mean as they're looking for another DE along with JJ, antonio and tim jamison.

if we come away with randle/hill/jeffrey etc, and and OT/OG/DE at the end of today il be happy

IlliniJen
04-27-2012, 10:21 AM
Woke up with a headache and severe congestion from last night's draft.

Still incredibly happy with this pick.

http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs4/3369810_o.gif

Vinny
04-27-2012, 10:22 AM
I don't know a ton about him but I expected OLB to be filled with the 1st pick b/c I finally realized that they apparently don't take replacing Jacoby that seriously just yet and I trust Wade. Also, the last name is nice! :jam:edge rushers are harder to find...just think of all those years we ran out chumps like Peek and Charlie Anderson.

Vinny
04-27-2012, 10:24 AM
wade said we were 1 short on the d-line not DT. we've cody and earl (who i cant remember playing any DE last yr) at NT/DT so i understood it to mean as they're looking for another DE along with JJ, antonio and tim jamison.

not to nit pick, but in a 3-4 you basically play three DT's. Last night Wade said he was still short one D lineman and that they are looking to address the position.

The1ApplePie
04-27-2012, 10:30 AM
The best player on the board. Plenty of WRs aailalbe in round 2. Good move.

HTown2ATX
04-27-2012, 10:30 AM
edge rushers are harder to find...just think of all those years we ran out chumps like Peek and Charlie Anderson.

Oh yeah, I like the pick to be sure! Also, I lol'ed at Peek and Anderson haha...wow....when you hear some of the names that used to be starters on this team, you realize how far we have come.

Corey Bradford anyone lol.....:kubepalm:

drunkcookie
04-27-2012, 10:34 AM
nobody is going to trade for Jones...put the smoke down.

Lol...maybe you need to re-read my original post on this topic, with the Al Davis reference... Maybe you need to pick up some smoke...

But i will stand by my opinion that there may be a coach/gm out there that might be silly enough, only remembering the Tampa Bay game and first Baltimore game...

Corrosion
04-27-2012, 10:35 AM
Wade said after the draft (last night) that we are still one roster sport short on DT so I'd think that they will address that for sure.

I think the team will take a wr in the 3rd and/or 4th rounds since much of the talent is similar (as far as a finished product goes).

wade said we were 1 short on the d-line not DT. we've cody and earl (who i cant remember playing any DE last yr) at NT/DT so i understood it to mean as they're looking for another DE along with JJ, antonio and tim jamison.

if we come away with randle/hill/jeffrey etc, and and OT/OG/DE at the end of today il be happy

I think thats more accurate - short one DL. They are really thin behind Watt and Smith at DE.

Cody and Mitchell are one or two down guy's - not in on passing situations when they go to a four man line with Smith and Watt moving inside while Barwin and Reed are the ends. Depth there is not nearly as important as at DE.

Behind Watt and Smith they have Tim Bulman and Tim Jamison. Bulman's pretty much a ST guy while Jamison showed flashes last season , they need another capable body there.

nero THE zero
04-27-2012, 10:35 AM
Woke up with a headache and severe congestion from last night's draft.

Still incredibly happy with this pick.


First Illinois player the Texans have drafted.

I remember how excited I was when the Texans drafted their first player from my favorite college team, Georgia Tech.

Let's hope this one turns out better. haha

badboy
04-27-2012, 10:43 AM
I picked Zietler in the Texans Draft Challenge thing .... Would have loved to get him.

Pass rushers are at a premium .... and consider the who's who list of QB's this team will face this season , I cant complain.

I noticed Merciles played DT on some occasions .... Might be interesting to plug him in between Watt and Smith on passing downs with Barwin , Reed and Cushing ....







List of WR's still available -


Hill
Alshon Jeffery
Brian Quick
Mohamed Sanu
Nick Toon
Dwight Jones
Tommy Streeter
Marvin McNutt
Jeff Fuller
Greg Childs
Ryan Broyles.


Out of that group - someone will be there when the Texans are up with #4 of the 4th.
I'd almost be content to go with two of the three - OL , DE , CB in the second and third thinking that one of those big WR's is going to fall.
Sure , I prefer some over others but if you can get value at those other spots , you almost have to do it. i agree. We will see how factual the "draft BPA" philosophy is. McNutt, Childs or Broyles in 4th (or even 2of these 3 at 4a & 4b) would be sweet and in group listed above, most are relatively the same. A CB or DE today would not stun me.

dalemurphy
04-27-2012, 10:54 AM
After watching the highlights against UCLA, Wisconsin, and Ohio State, I'm in love with the pick. He's quick and explosive with very good edge speed. However, he never lined up in a 9 technique. He had 16 sacks without being put in a position by the coach to excel. Still, he executed and developed techniques (like the bull rushes) that will serve him well and make him a much more complete player.

Dutchrudder
04-27-2012, 10:59 AM
I like him, but I never thought for a moment he would get past 22. Great pick at 26, I'm confident Wade will get what he wants out of him. He reminds me a lot of Aldon Smith actually, the OLB that the Texans were supposedly targeting in round 1 last year. A young guy with a high motor, great speed off the line, and also a one-year wonder in college. We all know how that turned out for the 49ers, let's hope Mercilus is the same.

El Tejano
04-27-2012, 11:02 AM
Here are my thoughts on our pick. I LOVE IT. You can got to my thread El Tejano's 2012 Draft Wish List and see for yourself that I had him as my 7th player on my list. Alot of those players were placed on if they would be available to us or not and as you will see, the first 5 were gone before we could pick them leaving Mercilus and Upshaw only and I was wanting Mercilus more than Upshaw because of losing Mario and remembering how our defense played when Mario was in and now I feel we made up for that.

In terms of getting a guy who is not going to play every down, I disagree. My understanding is that Mercilus can play both end and OLB. If that is the case, this means he may be utilized differently in certain packages and will be on the field more than we think while keeping other good players fresh for the 4th.

If you look at our team in general, our problem isn't that we don't have starters. Our current situation is that we lossed our depth. Anyone we were going to pick was going to have a starter already there in their position. Sure we could've got a WR but all the 1st round guys were gone and it's such a crapshoot with WR and some have to take about 4 years to develop. OL, hey I think we did good by not reaching and many NFL OL coaches believe that Mitchell Schwartz is the best one out there and he's still available. Besides, it says alot about who we have now that we didn't go round 1 on OL. DT well we got some good ones now. Long story short everyone we are going to draft is going to be a backup with a shot to take over.

Does anyone else see this as insurance if A. Smith leaves next year?

drunkcookie
04-27-2012, 11:02 AM
I like him, but I never thought for a moment he would get past 22. Great pick at 26, I'm confident Wade will get what he wants out of him. He reminds me a lot of Aldon Smith actually, the OLB that the Texans were supposedly targeting in round 1 last year. A young guy with a high motor, great speed off the line, and also a one-year wonder in college. We all know how that turned out for the 49ers, let's hope Mercilus is the same.

Good example with Smith...another "one year wonder"... We forget about the three/four years of solid play guys drafted high who bust every year...