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False Start
04-24-2012, 08:02 AM
Link (http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2012/04/texans-kicker-rackers-meets-with-redskins/)

Free-agent kicker Neil Rackers, who played for the Texans the last two seasons, visited the Washington Redskins on Monday.

Rackers, who turns 36 in August, set a Texans record with 135 points last season, connecting on 32-of-38 field goals. In 2010, his first season with the Texans, Rackers scored 124 points, including 27-of-30 field goals.

The Texans do not have a kicker on their roster. They could try to re-sign Rackers, a 13-year veteran, sign another veteran free-agent or draft a kicker for the first time in franchise history.

If he signs, then it looks like we will be drafting a K , or grab one off the scrapheap.

Blake
04-24-2012, 08:31 AM
So if Denver liked someone then we like someone. And if we liked someone Washington now likes someone.

Craig.
04-24-2012, 08:52 AM
He'll be back

GP
04-24-2012, 08:54 AM
Man, that lease program we had with Shanahan when he was HC of the Broncos is really beginning to bite us in the ass.

Now we gotta' send our players to him in Washington. Anybody here want to re-sign Rackers or take our chances with a rookie from the draft?

Dutchrudder
04-24-2012, 09:14 AM
Man, that lease program we had with Shanahan when he was HC of the Broncos is really beginning to bite us in the ass.

Now we gotta' send our players to him in Washington. Anybody here want to re-sign Rackers or take our chances with a rookie from the draft?

I would much rather have Rackers re-signed for minimum money than go with a rookie. I really like Bullock (assuming we can draft him), and I think he will be in the league for many years, but in the playoffs I want a veteran kicker. If a playoff game comes down to a field goal, then I don't want a rookie making that kick if I can avoid it.

Rackers was really good last year and the year before. During his two years with the Texans, he has made 86.7% of his FGs. He's 22/22 from less than 30 yards, 21/22 from 30-39, 9/15 from 40-49, and 7 of 9 from 50+. He's 83/84 on XPs, and he registered 11 tackles on special teams. He's 35 and still has some tread left on the tires, and I think we could use him for a few more years.

Rey
04-24-2012, 09:18 AM
I'll take Rackers back over a rookie. But if Rackers isn't back, and it looks like theres a good chance he won't be, I think we should definitely draft one.

Stemp
04-24-2012, 09:25 AM
Apparently the Texans have met with Randy Bullock, the All American from A&M.

I have a feeling we pick him up in the later rounds and at the very least, let him compete with Rackers if he comes back.

GP
04-24-2012, 09:28 AM
I would much rather have Rackers re-signed for minimum money than go with a rookie. I really like Bullock (assuming we can draft him), and I think he will be in the league for many years, but in the playoffs I want a veteran kicker. If a playoff game comes down to a field goal, then I don't want a rookie making that kick if I can avoid it.

Rackers was really good last year and the year before. During his two years with the Texans, he has made 86.7% of his FGs. He's 22/22 from less than 30 yards, 21/22 from 30-39, 9/15 from 40-49, and 7 of 9 from 50+. He's 83/84 on XPs, and he registered 11 tackles on special teams. He's 35 and still has some tread left on the tires, and I think we could use him for a few more years.

I think we should re-sign Rackers (if we have the coin to do so) AND draft a guy to sit and watch for a season. I don't want our next playoff run to be determined by the leg of a rookie...Rackers is the guy who is built for that duty right now, and the rookie could benefit from being on the team for a year and watching/learning/practicing with Rackers.

We need to remember Hartmann, too. Although he is mainly a punter, he has also kicked FGs before (not for us, but still...you get the drift). I just don't know if his knee can withstand the torque on FG kicks though. And, what about his t rue accuracy as an every-game NFL kicker? He has kicked before, though, and I think he's an emergency option.

What if Hartmann became the punter AND kicker? Has that ever been done on an NFL team before? A guy being the punter AND FG kicker for a whole season, intentionally? Hmm.....

Rey
04-24-2012, 09:36 AM
I think we should re-sign Rackers (if we have the coin to do so) AND draft a guy to sit and watch for a season. I don't want our next playoff run to be determined by the leg of a rookie...Rackers is the guy who is built for that duty right now, and the rookie could benefit from being on the team for a year and watching/learning/practicing with Rackers.

We need to remember Hartmann, too. Although he is mainly a punter, he has also kicked FGs before (not for us, but still...you get the drift). I just don't know if his knee can withstand the torque on FG kicks though. And, what about his t rue accuracy as an every-game NFL kicker? He has kicked before, though, and I think he's an emergency option.

What if Hartmann became the punter AND kicker? Has that ever been done on an NFL team before? A guy being the punter AND FG kicker for a whole season, intentionally? Hmm.....

We signed a punter that has been pretty good, so I don't think it's automatic that Hartmann is on the team next year. It probably depends on how he comes back from his injury and if they have them compete in the pre-season.

I don't really like the idea of a rookie kicker sitting and learning for a year. If you are re-signing Rackers it's probably for a multi-year deal, and he's not coming back to play tutor for 1 year I don't think. Not to mention the extra roster spot that could be used.

If we go with a rookie kicker I think they'll be the man from day 1 and we'll have a trusty vet on speed dial.

Playoffs
04-24-2012, 09:37 AM
Neil Rackers is a middle of the pack kicker at best. I wouldn't sign him if my home stadium was outdoors. But, a rookie kicker might cost you a game...

Big Lou
04-24-2012, 09:38 AM
I think we should re-sign Rackers (if we have the coin to do so) AND draft a guy to sit and watch for a season. I don't want our next playoff run to be determined by the leg of a rookie...Rackers is the guy who is built for that duty right now, and the rookie could benefit from being on the team for a year and watching/learning/practicing with Rackers.

We need to remember Hartmann, too. Although he is mainly a punter, he has also kicked FGs before (not for us, but still...you get the drift). I just don't know if his knee can withstand the torque on FG kicks though. And, what about his t rue accuracy as an every-game NFL kicker? He has kicked before, though, and I think he's an emergency option.

What if Hartmann became the punter AND kicker? Has that ever been done on an NFL team before? A guy being the punter AND FG kicker for a whole season, intentionally? Hmm.....

I would have to imagine it's happened, especially back in the 50's and 60's. There have been some other interesting cross overs by QB's, I believe Randall Cunningham holds the record for longest punt, and didn't Flutie do a drop kick? (Maybe that was in college)

Maybe Schaub can kick, he definately has the speed of a punter or kicker!!! Wow, what a threat, we could have the Schaub Wildcat, and then he could punt and kick. Imagine 4th downs, is Schaub gonna punt, or throw, hell maybe he runs. Or Houston lines up for a FG, again is Schaub gonna kick, throw, or run for 18 inches. Quadruple Threat Guy!!!!!

As for Hartmann, I love him, but can he stay off the juice?

Dutchrudder
04-24-2012, 09:45 AM
I think we should re-sign Rackers (if we have the coin to do so) AND draft a guy to sit and watch for a season. I don't want our next playoff run to be determined by the leg of a rookie...Rackers is the guy who is built for that duty right now, and the rookie could benefit from being on the team for a year and watching/learning/practicing with Rackers.

We need to remember Hartmann, too. Although he is mainly a punter, he has also kicked FGs before (not for us, but still...you get the drift). I just don't know if his knee can withstand the torque on FG kicks though. And, what about his true accuracy as an every-game NFL kicker? He has kicked before, though, and I think he's an emergency option.

Hartman is suspended the first 3 games of the year, so that's not an option. The Texans signed Donnie Jones, punter from STL, to a minimum deal this offseason. He's expected to be our punter for at least the first 3 games.

Having a second PK on the roster is just not feasible in today's NFL. That roster spot has to be used elsewhere, so he either wins the job in camp, or he gets cut.

What if Hartmann became the punter AND kicker? Has that ever been done on an NFL team before? A guy being the punter AND FG kicker for a whole season, intentionally? Hmm.....

It has been done before, but it didn't catch on. If that guy goes down in a game, you have no natural backup. The punter and PK are natural backups for each other.

GP
04-24-2012, 09:48 AM
The rookie kicker would be on the PS, though. Called up only if needed. This stashes him away, and the likelihood of someone claiming him off our PS would be rare because the team claiming him would have to sign him to their active roster (which means they are using a rookie, a rookie they didn't have the guts to draft themselves, to be their starting FG kicker).

As to the situation with the punter, he can be cut after the 3rd game. Which I think is what ends up happening if Hartmann is 100% by then.

eriadoc
04-24-2012, 10:05 AM
Neil Rackers is a middle of the pack kicker at best. I wouldn't sign him if my home stadium was outdoors. But, a rookie kicker might cost you a game...

You should go check out field goal percentages for kickers in the NFL. 86.7% over the last 2 years (as pointed out by Dutchrudder) is definitely not middle of the pack.

Dutchrudder
04-24-2012, 10:05 AM
The rookie kicker would be on the PS, though. Called up only if needed. This stashes him away, and the likelihood of someone claiming him off our PS would be rare because the team claiming him would have to sign him to their active roster (which means they are using a rookie, a rookie they didn't have the guts to draft themselves, to be their starting FG kicker).

Umm, if the Texans use a 6th on a guy like Randy Bullock, they will need to keep him on the roster. Subjecting him to waivers is risky as plenty of teams could have drafted him, but he wasn't there at X pick. Getting him for nothing on waivers would be a steal for another team. Keeping a kicker on the p-squad is a waste as well, and he is always available for another team to sign away. Kickers just aren't that valuable, which is why teams only carry one in the regular season. Either we draft one or re-sign Rackers, and then get an UDFA or two for camp.

As to the situation with the punter, he can be cut after the 3rd game. Which I think is what ends up happening if Hartmann is 100% by then.

Hartmann should be ready to kick in camp, so the team will evaluate him there. He will be competing for the job against Jones. One of them will win it, but I won't be surprised if Hartmann is cut during the 4th week of preseason. Punters are a dime a dozen.

GP
04-24-2012, 10:20 AM
Umm, if the Texans use a 6th on a guy like Randy Bullock, they will need to keep him on the roster. Subjecting him to waivers is risky as plenty of teams could have drafted him, but he wasn't there at X pick. Getting him for nothing on waivers would be a steal for another team. Keeping a kicker on the p-squad is a waste as well, and he is always available for another team to sign away. Kickers just aren't that valuable, which is why teams only carry one in the regular season. Either we draft one or re-sign Rackers, and then get an UDFA or two for camp.

I'm confused. You start off by countering that it's risky to put a 6th round FG kicker onto the PS...but then you say kickers just aren't that valuable. If they're not that valuable, then how could a 6th round rookie FG kicker that was passed over for nearly 6 full rounds be in danger of being claimed by a team who already HAS a FG kicker???

To further the confusion, this would mean that a team would have to cut its veteran FG kicker to make room for our PS guy...which defies the logic you just set forth: i.e. the whole "Teams wouldn't keep two FG kickers on the roster, let alone the PS roster."

I don't foresee a team taking a gamble on our PS FG kicker for the very reasons set forth: (1) That particular team didn't think enough of him to begin with, why would they now? Especially when other veteran FG kickers are on the street and have more veteran experience than the rookie. And (2) The team claiming our PS guy would have to have cut their own guy or lost him to season-ending injury in order to get our guy from us. What are the odds of this happening?


Hartmann should be ready to kick in camp, so the team will evaluate him there. He will be competing for the job against Jones. One of them will win it, but I won't be surprised if Hartmann is cut during the 4th week of preseason. Punters are a dime a dozen.

I forgot to mention that Kubiak "found" Hartmann off the street last year. Hartmann, IIRC, was just a punt and kick teacher/coach for a clinic for punters/kickers. He wasn't on a team. He wasn't on a PS of any team, either. He was JAG--Just Another Guy--at the time. I wouldn't put it past Kubiak to go the UDFA route on a kicker, or the Street FA option as well.

We could let Rackers walk, stick with Jones as the punter, and find a street FA kicker for the first three games and use Hartmann from game 4 onward if we wanted to. Or use an UDFA or street FA guy all year and let Hartmann walk. Lots of options at FG kicker, IMO.

My responses, above.

I think Rackers is done here. Or he would have re-signed and called it a day. He's going to get more from Redskins or some other team, and we're going to take our chances on either a drafted guy, a UDFA, a street vet, and/or Hartmann (I know, I know...he's suspended. But still, there's 13 more game after the first 3 games).

Rey
04-24-2012, 10:29 AM
I'd be shocked if Kubiak picks up some kicker just off the street unless it was a kicker with a good college or NFL history.

You can do that with Punters, but Kickers are more important. They put points on the board.

Dutchrudder
04-24-2012, 10:40 AM
My responses, above.

I think Rackers is done here. Or he would have re-signed and called it a day. He's going to get more from Redskins or some other team, and we're going to take our chances on either a drafted guy, a UDFA, a street vet, and/or Hartmann (I know, I know...he's suspended. But still, there's 13 more game after the first 3 games).

As far as the "Draft a kicker and stick him on p-squad" thing goes, here's a list of the 2011 kickers from last year: http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/kicking/sort/fieldGoalPct

Sort by FG% and look at the bottom half. Most of those guys are making near minimum money with nothing guaranteed on their contracts. It's easy to find at least one team that could sign a kicker that is put on waivers. Baltimore, STL, Pitt, NYJ, Arizona, etc. A few of those teams could be looking to draft a kicker as well. Bullock may be gone before our pick in the 5th, and then we will be back to the FA or UDFA scrapheap to find a kicker for our Super Bowl run. That's why I'm thinking it would be good for us to trade out of the 1st, and pick up a 2nd plus an extra 4th/5th to spend on a kicker.

The Pencil Neck
04-24-2012, 10:42 AM
Hartmann's got a ... what?... 4 (?) game suspension coming up, he's coming off an injury, and we signed an experienced guy already to take his spot. I don't expect Hartmann to be back.

I'm surprised Rackers wasn't already re-signed. He's a good kicker. I don't see him as a middle of the pack kicker at all. There are a lot worse options out there.

With Kubiak's fear of rookies, I find it hard to believe that we'll draft a rookie kicker and let the fate of games ride on his shoulders. I think Kubes prefers a vet in those situations and Rackers is a guy who's been in a lot of pressure filled situations in his career. Although maybe this whole running down the field and making the tackle thing has the coaching staff nervous about his sanity.

GP
04-24-2012, 10:48 AM
I'd be shocked if Kubiak picks up some kicker just off the street unless it was a kicker with a good college or NFL history.

You can do that with Punters, but Kickers are more important. They put points on the board.

I agree. This just might be the year of having to compromise or settle for less-than-ideal solutions.

This year's Texans have the expectations upon them of AT LEAST repeating 2011's outcome...but right now, they are experiencing some challenges:

1. Dreessen, an underrated and reliable TE option, is gone. In an ideal world, Dreessen stays and Kubiak doesn't sweat the details of what to do with our TE situation.

2. Winston and DeMeco cost too much for what they were providing: Winston was paid royally for being a great run blocker but a poor pass protector, and Meco was paid royally for being a 2-down LB at best. So cap problems dictated we jettison them and find replacements for RG and ILB.

3. The "face of the Texans D," Mario Williams, who was generally a great weapon to have on an already dangerous Wade Phillips defense, left town. Although it was anticipated, it doesn't help us in the sense that now we're trying to fill a LB spot once held by our franchise guy.

I could go on and on, and I know I'm preaching to the choir on this one (not saying you, nor others, don't know all this, I'm just re-hashing it for posterity's sake).

The point is that beggars cannot be choosers. We might be at a point where Rackers has to walk and Kubiak and Coach Joe are scanning the classified ads looking for filler material. That's where we all agree that a guy in the draft AND having to start him from day 1 is perhaps the best choice out of all choices right now.

And that's why I am hesitant to lean that way: I'd rather be able to re-sign Rackers and "at best" be able to draft a guy and transition him into the starting lineup for 2013. Kickers last a long time, but their first year is shaky which is why teams don't draft a kicker unless he's a Mason Crosby type of kicker. In fact, teams rarely draft a kicker at all. But, beggars can't be choosers...and so drafting a guy and making him K1 form Day 1 might be our only choice.

We'll probably have two or three FG K for camp anyways. A mix of vets and maybe that rookie we could take in late rounds of the draft.

GP
04-24-2012, 10:55 AM
As far as the "Draft a kicker and stick him on p-squad" thing goes, here's a list of the 2011 kickers from last year: http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/kicking/sort/fieldGoalPct

Sort by FG% and look at the bottom half. Most of those guys are making near minimum money with nothing guaranteed on their contracts. It's easy to find at least one team that could sign a kicker that is put on waivers. Baltimore, STL, Pitt, NYJ, Arizona, etc. A few of those teams could be looking to draft a kicker as well. Bullock may be gone before our pick in the 5th, and then we will be back to the FA or UDFA scrapheap to find a kicker for our Super Bowl run. That's why I'm thinking it would be good for us to trade out of the 1st, and pick up a 2nd plus an extra 4th/5th to spend on a kicker.

Interesting.

I don't know that we let our need for a K dictate us trading out of the 1st though. It doesn't seem to be a Kubiak move, to trade down just so we land a K that other teams might want.

I think his historicity is that he'll find guys on the street rather than overpay or over-reach for them. He's a thrifty guy, which led to him trading down to get Duane Brown and later on Steve Slaton as a result of the thrifty handling in round 1 of that draft...but I think he was at the end of his rope regarding the failures at RB mining (Wali Lundy, Hollings, Gadko, Green, etc.). I don't think he's reached the end of his rope on the K or punter situations. I think he thinks he still has 1 or 2 lives left out of the proverbial "9 lives" bin at those two positions.

I bet we don't take a K in the draft. That's my guess. He'll find a vet, he'll add a UDFA perhaps, but he won't take a K in the draft. Too many other needs that Kubiak will be forced to address.

Hardcore Texan
04-24-2012, 11:07 AM
I hear Billy Cundiff is available.....:kitten:

False Start
04-24-2012, 11:12 AM
I hear Billy Cundiff is available.....:kitten:

:choke:

Playoffs
04-24-2012, 11:21 AM
You should go check out field goal percentages for kickers in the NFL. 86.7% over the last 2 years (as pointed out by Dutchrudder) is definitely not middle of the pack.Choose your poison -- Rackers was 17th out of 31 kickers who "played" in at least 12 games in 2012 in FG%.

GP
04-24-2012, 12:11 PM
I hear Billy Cundiff is available.....:kitten:

http://www.menscosmo.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Nausea-or-Vomiting.jpg

Goldensilence
04-24-2012, 12:53 PM
As far as the "Draft a kicker and stick him on p-squad" thing goes, here's a list of the 2011 kickers from last year: http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/kicking/sort/fieldGoalPct

Sort by FG% and look at the bottom half. Most of those guys are making near minimum money with nothing guaranteed on their contracts. It's easy to find at least one team that could sign a kicker that is put on waivers. Baltimore, STL, Pitt, NYJ, Arizona, etc. A few of those teams could be looking to draft a kicker as well. Bullock may be gone before our pick in the 5th, and then we will be back to the FA or UDFA scrapheap to find a kicker for our Super Bowl run. That's why I'm thinking it would be good for us to trade out of the 1st, and pick up a 2nd plus an extra 4th/5th to spend on a kicker.

I'm for resigning Rackers, but doesn't look like its going to happen. I'd really prefer an experienced kicker because the Texans will likely be vying for playoff positioning. It could be the difference between getting another home game and a bye.

Look, anyone thinking we're going to get more than a 3rd at highest for trading back just isn't being realistic. The only way I am would trade back at this point is if the player I've targetted that I think will make an impact regardless of when he's drafted will only drop a few spots. Otherwise take the guy there at 26, don't get cute.

GP
04-24-2012, 12:56 PM
I'm for resigning Rackers, but doesn't look like its going to happen. I'd really prefer an experienced kicker because the Texans will likely be vying for playoff positioning. It could be the difference between getting another home game and a bye.

Look, anyone thinking we're going to get more than a 3rd at highest for trading back just isn't being realistic. The only way I am would trade back at this point is if the player I've targetted that I think will make an impact regardless of when he's drafted will only drop a few spots. Otherwise take the guy there at 26, don't get cute.

Sums up my ideas, better than I could myself. Thank you.

Rey
04-24-2012, 01:17 PM
Look, anyone thinking we're going to get more than a 3rd at highest for trading back just isn't being realistic.

Not sure what you're saying here.

I think picking up a third rounder for moving back would be the high side of compensation.

Moving back to the second round and picking up another third round pick would be sweet.

As far as getting cute thinking about trades, according to smith that's exactly what he'll be doing over the next couple days. He said this is the point in the process where he calls a bunch of gm's to inquire about trading picks.

badboy
04-24-2012, 01:22 PM
:tiphat:I would much rather have Rackers re-signed for minimum money than go with a rookie. I really like Bullock (assuming we can draft him), and I think he will be in the league for many years, but in the playoffs I want a veteran kicker. If a playoff game comes down to a field goal, then I don't want a rookie making that kick if I can avoid it.

Rackers was really good last year and the year before. During his two years with the Texans, he has made 86.7% of his FGs. He's 22/22 from less than 30 yards, 21/22 from 30-39, 9/15 from 40-49, and 7 of 9 from 50+. He's 83/84 on XPs, and he registered 11 tackles on special teams. He's 35 and still has some tread left on the tires, and I think we could use him for a few more years.:tiphat::perfect10:

Goldensilence
04-24-2012, 02:03 PM
Not sure what you're saying here.

I think picking up a third rounder for moving back would be the high side of compensation.

Moving back to the second round and picking up another third round pick would be sweet.

As far as getting cute thinking about trades, according to smith that's exactly what he'll be doing over the next couple days. He said this is the point in the process where he calls a bunch of gm's to inquire about trading picks.

I guess we'll see what happens. I am just not a big fan of trading back too far at this point.

This team has some clear needs specially after having some big loses in FA and with salary cap issues. We might have the luxury of the division being mostly weak next year, but the that doesn't mean we don't have tough out of division opponents or face an uphill battle in the playoffs.

There's also the concern of Schaub's injury lingering in my head. I still think its most likely that Yates starts off the season for us. I would love to see another impact WR especially if that's the case.

I actually wouldn't be too opposed to seeing another trade up this year. Truth is we're up against the cap, it doesn't look like we're going to add any marque names in FA this year late, and IMO we're poised to make a run this year. I think to make that run we need to add an impact player on both sides of the ball this year. WR and maybe another OLB to rotate in with Reed and Barwin.

GP
04-24-2012, 02:12 PM
Kubiak will pick his right side version of Duane Brown and call it a successful 1st round.

It won't excite people. It might even be a guy nobody has heard much about. But Kubiak will shrug his shoulders, talk highly about the kid, and rest well knowing that we got younger (and hopefully better) at RT.

I predict we won't trade down in the 1st.

Of course, we might trade down in the 2nd round. THAT would be the place to trade down if you know your next set of targeted guys are projected to be sliding past your original spot in the 2nd. We also have the extra 4th rounder from Philly to play with. That pick can be coupled with other picks to actually move up in lots of different ways.

Could we slide down a few spots in the second round, then package our extra fourth and the compensation for having slid down in the 2nd...and send THOSE two picks to someone for an extra 3rd rounder...giving us two 3rd rounders and still having our original 4th round pick? Someone might have a late, late 3rd rounder (extra 3rd rounder) and desire to get a 4th and another pick. You just never know what teams might value most.

badboy
04-24-2012, 02:21 PM
Kubiak will pick his right side version of Duane Brown and call it a successful 1st round.

It won't excite people. It might even be a guy nobody has heard much about. But Kubiak will shrug his shoulders, talk highly about the kid, and rest well knowing that we got younger (and hopefully better) at RT.

I predict we won't trade down in the 1st.

Of course, we might trade down in the 2nd round. THAT would be the place to trade down if you know your next set of targeted guys are projected to be sliding past your original spot in the 2nd. We also have the extra 4th rounder from Philly to play with. That pick can be coupled with other picks to actually move up in lots of different ways.

Could we slide down a few spots in the second round, then package our extra fourth and the compensation for having slid down in the 2nd...and send THOSE two picks to someone for an extra 3rd rounder...giving us two 3rd rounders and still having our original 4th round pick? Someone might have a late, late 3rd rounder (extra 3rd rounder) and desire to get a 4th and another pick. You just never know what teams might value most.This kind of movement is what I expect and look forward to unless my guys are there (lol).

Dutchrudder
04-24-2012, 02:41 PM
I'm for resigning Rackers, but doesn't look like its going to happen. I'd really prefer an experienced kicker because the Texans will likely be vying for playoff positioning. It could be the difference between getting another home game and a bye.

Look, anyone thinking we're going to get more than a 3rd at highest for trading back just isn't being realistic. The only way I am would trade back at this point is if the player I've targetted that I think will make an impact regardless of when he's drafted will only drop a few spots. Otherwise take the guy there at 26, don't get cute.

Suppose Jonathan Martin, OT falls to 26 for whatever reason, I would definitely be in favor of trading back to 33 with STL to get their 4th round pick. The value adds up according to the chart, Texans 700 for STL 580 and 116. I would say that's a fair trade, and it would let the Texans fill a need earlier, which can free up our 5th for a kicker.

The Browns have 13 picks in this draft, and may be looking to move up from 37 to the end of the first to get a QB, RT, DE or WR. They could give us a decent deal for 26, like 37, 100 and 160. That would be a good deal for the Texans, as we could add a lot of depth with those picks.

GP
04-24-2012, 03:11 PM
The Browns have 13 picks in this draft, and may be looking to move up from 37 to the end of the first to get a QB, RT, DE or WR. They could give us a decent deal for 26, like 37, 100 and 160. That would be a good deal for the Texans, as we could add a lot of depth with those picks.

For me, I'd want to be for that type of deal: A BIG haul for us, not just an extra 4th or 5th rounder.

Browns love to trade back into the 1st round, or they did at least one time in order to get Brady Quin. LOL. Maybe they would want a do-over and give us all those picks??? I'm down for that. But really, I don't think they would.

El Tejano
04-24-2012, 03:24 PM
I would like to draft a kicker. Cleveland drafted Phil Dawson and seem to be okay with him. What other teams drafted their kickers?

Dutchrudder
04-24-2012, 03:25 PM
For me, I'd want to be for that type of deal: A BIG haul for us, not just an extra 4th or 5th rounder.

Browns love to trade back into the 1st round, or they did at least one time in order to get Brady Quin. LOL. Maybe they would want a do-over and give us all those picks??? I'm down for that. But really, I don't think they would.

Depends on who falls. I'm sure Weeden will be there, and he could be worth a trade up to them. Whitney Mercilus is a local guy (northern OH), who played at Illinois, and he would fill a need as a pass rushing 4-3 DE. Jonathan Martin, Cordy Glenn or Mike Adams could fill the RT spot. Hill, Wright and Jeffery may be there, and they may covet one of those guys. There are plenty of options, but you only need one team to really want a player to make the trade. The Browns have a ton of picks, so they may accept a future 3rd in the deal to give up a 2nd, 3rd and 4th. Something like that would be cool.

GP
04-24-2012, 04:00 PM
Depends on who falls. I'm sure Weeden will be there, and he could be worth a trade up to them. Whitney Mercilus is a local guy (northern OH), who played at Illinois, and he would fill a need as a pass rushing 4-3 DE. Jonathan Martin, Cordy Glenn or Mike Adams could fill the RT spot. Hill, Wright and Jeffery may be there, and they may covet one of those guys. There are plenty of options, but you only need one team to really want a player to make the trade. The Browns have a ton of picks, so they may accept a future 3rd in the deal to give up a 2nd, 3rd and 4th. Something like that would be cool.

Watch Kubiak select Weeden and blow the collective minds of everyone. LOL.

He won't, but just picture the pick in your head.

We would be like this:

http://www.3fatchicks.com/diet-blogs/grabthebull/files/2009/04/omg.jpg

Lurvinator11
04-24-2012, 06:13 PM
I know it's from Mclame but...

John McClain ‏ @McClain_on_NFL
Neil Rackers agreed to a one-year deal with Redskins today.

pissknocker
04-24-2012, 06:15 PM
Damn no rack city this year. Oh well bullock in the 6th

GP
04-24-2012, 06:20 PM
Muther......!

Freaking Mike Shanahan.

Wolf
04-24-2012, 06:21 PM
Who is going to tackle on special teams now?:kitten:

Wolf
04-24-2012, 06:21 PM
Texans east is alive and well :bender:

Naiirb
04-24-2012, 06:23 PM
Thanks for the years Rackers, but when the head coach doesn't even think about kicking anything 50 yards or over it's time to find a new one.

House of Pain
04-24-2012, 06:29 PM
I've always like Rackers for the way he played the game, however, I don't think he's the most clutch kicker, and we may have dodged a bullet (See Arizona). I don't know about y'all, but I never had the feeling he's got ice water running through his veins.

Lurvinator11
04-24-2012, 06:33 PM
I guess we are drafting that guy out of A&M.

BIG TORO
04-24-2012, 06:35 PM
Man were going to have a whole new team

Playoffs
04-24-2012, 06:43 PM
http://www.myfoxhouston.com/dpp/sports/nfl/120424-neil-rackers-signs-with-redskins

"We're headed to Washington," Rackers said. "I visited with Coach (Mike) Shanahan and (special teams coach) Danny Smith out there yesterday and really enjoyed what they had to say. I'll be competing for a job with Graham Gano, who is an established, good kicker.

"We're going to see what happens, but it seems like the best opportunity for me and my family at this point. There's more upside, more opportunity for advancement in Washington."

While Rackers had to make a business decision, he is not thrilled about leaving the Texans.

"I wasn't real excited to leave the Texans," Rackers said. "That's a decision they made not us.

"We've had promises for awhile now on a long-term deal and they came to us with a minimum offer. So we just felt like the opportunity for advancement was not in Houston. We came in and did the job like they asked us to. Didn't really feel like that was appreciated. I am really excited to go to Washington. Really excited to compete. Really excited to hopefully win a job and be the guy in Washington."

Rey
04-24-2012, 06:49 PM
http://www.myfoxhouston.com/dpp/sports/nfl/120424-neil-rackers-signs-with-redskins

"We're headed to Washington," Rackers said. "I visited with Coach (Mike) Shanahan and (special teams coach) Danny Smith out there yesterday and really enjoyed what they had to say. I'll be competing for a job with Graham Gano, who is an established, good kicker.

"We're going to see what happens, but it seems like the best opportunity for me and my family at this point. There's more upside, more opportunity for advancement in Washington."

While Rackers had to make a business decision, he is not thrilled about leaving the Texans.

"I wasn't real excited to leave the Texans," Rackers said. "That's a decision they made not us.

"We've had promises for awhile now on a long-term deal and they came to us with a minimum offer. So we just felt like the opportunity for advancement was not in Houston. We came in and did the job like they asked us to. Didn't really feel like that was appreciated. I am really excited to go to Washington. Really excited to compete. Really excited to hopefully win a job and be the guy in Washington."

Lol, wow.

Either we are really poor or rackers was not really a guy we were 100% behind.

Maybe a combo of both.

Wolf
04-24-2012, 06:49 PM
http://www.myfoxhouston.com/dpp/sports/nfl/120424-neil-rackers-signs-with-redskins

"We're headed to Washington," Rackers said. "I visited with Coach (Mike) Shanahan and (special teams coach) Danny Smith out there yesterday and really enjoyed what they had to say. I'll be competing for a job with Graham Gano, who is an established, good kicker.

"We're going to see what happens, but it seems like the best opportunity for me and my family at this point. There's more upside, more opportunity for advancement in Washington."

While Rackers had to make a business decision, he is not thrilled about leaving the Texans.

"I wasn't real excited to leave the Texans," Rackers said. "That's a decision they made not us.

"We've had promises for awhile now on a long-term deal and they came to us with a minimum offer. So we just felt like the opportunity for advancement was not in Houston. We came in and did the job like they asked us to. Didn't really feel like that was appreciated. I am really excited to go to Washington. Really excited to compete. Really excited to hopefully win a job and be the guy in Washington."

ouch, that seems to be a reoccurring theme

drs23
04-24-2012, 06:53 PM
Muther......!

Freaking Mike Shanahan.

Houston East I'm tellin' ya. You've heard it before!

Premier
04-24-2012, 07:02 PM
While Rackers had to make a business decision, he is not thrilled about leaving the Texans.

"I wasn't real excited to leave the Texans," Rackers said. "That's a decision they made not us.



all thats left is for rackers to tell the bloggers how much better the washington fans are..

The Medic01
04-24-2012, 07:05 PM
I think the FO sees something better in Bullock. I think (may be wrong) in the Ravens playoff game Rackers missed a 50 yarder wind at his back (missed it short). They then drive about 15 yards and kick a field goal. That's a six point swing and I believe we lost by 7. If he makes that they have average field position probably get stopped and maybe in those final drives we could've run he ball and done short passes to run out clock. Get close enough kick a field goal (hopefully Rack can make it) and win 19-17. Now things don't always work out that way I know but it's a possibility that could've had us going to Foxbrough but instead we went home early. I think he isn't an elite kicker and I think Bullock could be.

False Start
04-24-2012, 07:10 PM
Might as well merge all the other Rackers (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91559) thread.

OH well, I was always nervous when he lined up to kick a FG. I just didn't have that much faith in the guy. Hopefully when can find a unexpected bad ass kicker.

TexanSam
04-24-2012, 07:10 PM
Rackers was better from 50 yards out than from 40-49 yards last season.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/rackenei01.htm

That's probably not a good thing either. He went 4-8 from that distance. Not a huge loss, IMO.

Jackie Chiles
04-24-2012, 07:17 PM
Rackers wasn't without his flaws but we could definitely do worse. Hopefully we find lightning in a bottle with a rookie or there is an unexpected cut or two.

pec0sb0b
04-24-2012, 07:29 PM
Every time the coordinator sent the offense back on the field on fourth down instead of kicking a 45-yard field goal...what did he think that meant? We love you poor performance so much we're going to reward you with a fat, multi-year contract? In any event, I'm sure he read the writing on the wall when the team held a visit with Bullock from Texas A&M.

drs23
04-24-2012, 07:40 PM
Every time the coordinator sent the offense back on the field on fourth down instead of kicking a 45-yard field goal...what did he think that meant? We love you poor performance so much we're going to reward you with a fat, multi-year contract? In any event, I'm sure he read the writing on the wall when the team held a visit with Bullock from Texas A&M.

That's the reason I think we'll see them draft the kicker from A&M. I *think* the writing is on the wall, or at least I HOPE so. I think Bullock will make a fine Pro for years to come for a late pick that Rick will manipulate the draft in order to snag.

The of course, I could be FOS. We'll all find out at the same time I guess.

Unless you twit. :D

Texan_Bill
04-24-2012, 07:41 PM
Good riddance!!! :runaway:

DownByContact
04-24-2012, 08:38 PM
I would like to draft a kicker. Cleveland drafted Phil Dawson and seem to be okay with him. What other teams drafted their kickers?

I know the raiders drafted Janikowski in the first round (17th pcik)

Wolf
04-24-2012, 08:41 PM
Wasn't there a guy from Nebraska a year or so ago that got drafted also?

Fili
04-24-2012, 08:42 PM
Good for him. Hopefully won't see :kubepalm: again.

GP
04-24-2012, 08:44 PM
LOL @ all this crying by grown men.

They need to form a support group. Former Texans Underpaid and Underappreciated. The FTUU.

Bunch of babies. Have your feelings, they're yours. Own it. But the amount of tattle-telling is getting comical. Why can't they just hold their heads high and be bigger men about it?

They all act like they're being tarred and feathered and put in the stocks for public humiliation.

Geez. LOL. What a world. What a world....

False Start
04-24-2012, 08:53 PM
Oh well, no big loss. As I said before, he made me nervous every time me he lined up for a FG... :overreact: :littlelol:


Lets just hope that we can find better replacement.

Goldensilence
04-24-2012, 08:55 PM
For me, I'd want to be for that type of deal: A BIG haul for us, not just an extra 4th or 5th rounder.

Browns love to trade back into the 1st round, or they did at least one time in order to get Brady Quin. LOL. Maybe they would want a do-over and give us all those picks??? I'm down for that. But really, I don't think they would.

Cleveland did once because they were that desperate and they thought Quinn would be "The Guy" there. It's possible Tannehill is there at 22 for them if they think he's got what it takes.

They have a lot of picks...but they also are a team largely bereft of talent on the offensive side of the ball and could keep building defensively, because their division almost requires it.

Depends on who falls. I'm sure Weeden will be there, and he could be worth a trade up to them. Whitney Mercilus is a local guy (northern OH), who played at Illinois, and he would fill a need as a pass rushing 4-3 DE. Jonathan Martin, Cordy Glenn or Mike Adams could fill the RT spot. Hill, Wright and Jeffery may be there, and they may covet one of those guys. There are plenty of options, but you only need one team to really want a player to make the trade. The Browns have a ton of picks, so they may accept a future 3rd in the deal to give up a 2nd, 3rd and 4th. Something like that would be cool.

I think Weeden will be available possibly into the third round. The other guys you mentioned might be worth a trade up depending on what they do with #4 and 22. Weeden might have a better arm, but I'm not sure what kind of upgrade he is over McCoy.

Cleveland surely has lots of options this draft and a big opportunity to get better quick.

I'd love to see this team get aggressive though and make a trade up if the right guy falls enough.

GP
04-24-2012, 08:58 PM
Rackers has got some balls to ***** and belly ache about earning "the minimum" in this economy when a lot of fans are truly strapped for cash.

If he's looking for sympathy out here, he won't get it. Actually, he gets animosity for his efforts.

If you're "competing" with Gano, then you're not getting a chance at advancement, Neil. You're just overtaking yet another easy paycheck like you did here.

Corrosion
04-24-2012, 09:16 PM
Rackers has got some balls to ***** and belly ache about earning "the minimum" in this economy when a lot of fans are truly strapped for cash.

If he's looking for sympathy out here, he won't get it. Actually, he gets animosity for his efforts.

If you're "competing" with Gano, then you're not getting a chance at advancement, Neil. You're just overtaking yet another easy paycheck like you did here.

I for one am glad to see Rackers in a different uniform .... He wasnt very good last season.

The years before that , he was money from 45 and shorter but , once that streak was broken , that was that.


The fact that anything outside of 45 was .... out of range didnt help his cause here.

Think about the fact that he got the minimum from the Skins tells you that the Texans realized he wasnt the guy to move forward with.

Who they replace him with ?! Good freakin question .... but really there are a lot of kickers better , no matter how many ST tackles he makes.


17th out of 31 kickers in FG% isnt going to cut it for a team with :trophy: aspirations.

El Tejano
04-24-2012, 09:18 PM
I know the raiders drafted Janikowski in the first round (17th pcik)

And he alone basically beat us this year. Our defense was stopping Oakland but he kept nailing 50+ers on us.

The question is does anyone of these kickers in the draft have a stronger leg than Rackers? I think Bullock does and to some extent even the kid from UT does (FG Kicker, not punter). I think you can bring in a rookie and still see what hartman can do. Heck, for that matter, bring in another scrapheap FA and let them all battle it out. Nothing wrong with that.

Corrosion
04-24-2012, 09:23 PM
And he alone basically beat us this year. Our defense was stopping Oakland but he kept nailing 50+ers on us.

The question is does anyone of these kickers in the draft have a stronger leg than Rackers? I think Bullock does and to some extent even the kid from UT does (FG Kicker, not punter). I think you can bring in a rookie and still see what hartman can do. Heck, for that matter, bring in another scrapheap FA and let them all battle it out. Nothing wrong with that.

I want nothing to do with the kicker from UT .....


I wouldnt complain about the kid from T A&M.


I say that as I bleed burnt orange.

False Start
04-24-2012, 10:12 PM
I guess this means more hard ass hard hits , when he transforms into "The RacK."

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii202/J4103V/rgerackcopy.jpg


....The Rack...:littlelol:

eriadoc
04-25-2012, 12:42 PM
My only issue with this is the statement that there were promises in place that weren't honored. This isn't the first time such an assertion has been made. Business is business, and the NFL is a harsh one. But don't lie to people. Don't promise crap and then renege on it. That's BS. We wouldn't like it if a player did it to us, and I don't like it when our GM does it to our players.

As far as Rackers goes, he's better than most of y'all give him credit for, but he's not irreplaceable. Good luck to him in WAS, and we'll see who we get to replace him.

eriadoc
04-25-2012, 01:00 PM
And he alone basically beat us this year. Our defense was stopping Oakland but he kept nailing 50+ers on us.

The question is does anyone of these kickers in the draft have a stronger leg than Rackers? I think Bullock does and to some extent even the kid from UT does (FG Kicker, not punter). I think you can bring in a rookie and still see what hartman can do. Heck, for that matter, bring in another scrapheap FA and let them all battle it out. Nothing wrong with that.

It's funny how people always point to Janikowski. The guy had a great season this year, posting the second best FG% of his career, at 88.6%. His career best is 89.7%, in 2009. And he probably has the best leg of any kicker in the NFL.

His career stats are damn near identical to Rackers', and his last 4 years have been nowhere near as impressive as Rackers', cumulatively (for the "what have you done for me lately" crowd). For his career, Janikowski has hit 79.6% of his FGs, and is 39/66 from 50+, for a percentage of 54.5%. Rackers has a career FG% of 80.0% and is 26/48 from 50+, for a percentage of 54.2%. So Janikowski has more attempts, as you'd expect, but doesn't really make them at any greater frequency than Rackers. He does kick them further. For the last four years, which include Janikowski's two best seasons, Rackers has a FG% of 88.5% and Janikowski has a FG% of 85.2%. They both had their rookie seasons in 2000.

This isn't a pro-Rackers post as much as a "perspective" post. Janikowski and Rackers are a good comparison, since they both came into the league together. Janikowski averages 3 more FG attempts per season.

At the end of the day, there are very, very few kickers that are consistent and clutch. They have good years and bad years. You hope the kicker is on your team when he has a good year and not when he posts a 70% season. In that regard, we got a couple really good years out of Rackers and now we're not tempting fate on him anymore. You never know when that next '09 Kris Brown 65% season is coming along.

GP
04-25-2012, 01:26 PM
My only issue with this is the statement that there were promises in place that weren't honored. This isn't the first time such an assertion has been made. Business is business, and the NFL is a harsh one. But don't lie to people. Don't promise crap and then renege on it. That's BS. We wouldn't like it if a player did it to us, and I don't like it when our GM does it to our players.

As far as Rackers goes, he's better than most of y'all give him credit for, but he's not irreplaceable. Good luck to him in WAS, and we'll see who we get to replace him.

Dude, he's just pissy because he didn't get the money he WANTED.

It's not like the Texans didn't even talk to him (as in the case of how they handled Winston). They offered him a deal, he turned it down. He walked.

How is this the Texans fault? I think Bob does things so goody-two-shoes that people (fans AND Texans players) are shocked that the gravy train ends one day. This happens on every team. The players who "get it" move on and make their money elsewhere. Those who don't, and apparently it's a long list, they piss and moan like petulant children who do not understand a grown man's world. /rant.

Neil Rackers is obviously a small enough person to piss and moan when he's still going to end up making his money elsewhere. He's better than Gano, so he has the job locked up already. But yet he has to cry and make sure everyone knows HE was wronged. The nerve of some people!

Those guys need to start a support group and have meetings to share their hurts and help heal one another. Bring lots of Kleenex. David Carr could lead them in a prayer, asking God to forgive the Texans of their sins. It would be a blast.

The wussification of America and the NFL runs deep, apparently.

Blake
04-25-2012, 01:28 PM
He'll be back

Swwwwwwing and a miss.

eriadoc
04-25-2012, 02:23 PM
Dude, he's just pissy because he didn't get the money he WANTED.

Dude, you know that to be true just about as much as I know the Texans promised him a multi-year deal to be true. In other words, you don't. The only part of his whine I'm paying any attention to is:

"We've had promises for awhile now on a long-term deal and they came to us with a minimum offer."

IF that's true, then what I said above stands. If instead, he had said something to the effect that he was hoping his work would be appreciated with a long term deal, then that is a completely different story. But I'm reading the QUOTE: "We've had promises for awhile now on a long-term deal ..."

This isn't the first time Rick Smith has been accused of being a liar. When one or two ex-players bring it up, even quietly, it's easy to dismiss. When it becomes a recurring theme, word gets around among players. What you and I think doesn't matter. What players tell each other is what matters, because it affects the team that you and I care about.

As for the "wussification" of America, when I was growing up, I learned that a man is only as good as his word. Say what you mean, and mean what you say.

GP
04-25-2012, 02:50 PM
...when I was growing up, I learned that a man is only as good as his word. Say what you mean, and mean what you say.

That's good and well when you're talking about interpersonal relationships. I agree there. However, that piece of ideology doesn't work in the sports entertainment world. Agree? I mean, seriously. Let's be grown ups.

Two sides bartered. One side felt slighted, so that side walked away. I see no foul play.

Promises are funny little things too. Could've been that he was promised they would diligently look to work as big of a deal as they could for him. But, in the end the couldn't.

In short: A few extra coins were tossed at Foster and Myers, and then to Bradie James, and Dobbins, and there isn't enough to pay Rackers what Rackers wanted/expected.

We could do this all day. He's mad and he's venting. To what degree his anger is valid or not? I have no clue. But the amount of crying by supposed grown-ups, over money they get somewhere else (and even get MORE money somewhere else) is funny to me. It's very funny. Just walk away and go make more money, it's pretty simple. But for guys like Rackers and Mario and others to act like they were OWED what they get with their new team? It doesn't wash.

It shows the character of the player more than anything. Oh they want to make it appear that "I really, REALLY wanted to stay in Houston...but you know, the love wasn't reciprocated back to me and stuff, so you know...man, I am really going to miss the fans and my homies there and stuff....but it's Ok because I love the game and know that this happens, but you know it's just too bad they couldn't do more for me and keep me here and stuff." Bullcrap. In the end, the player wanted MORE money to stay here!!!! It's ONLY about the money.

This whole pride thing, this whole "show me love" angle is just horsecrap. Period. Rackers wanted MORE money to kick a football with the Texans logo on his helmet. Period. He didn't get it from us, but he's supposedly getting his money from the Redskins now...so why is he mad? He's getting paid. And probably paid more. I bet we paid Chris Myers more than he was getting in Denver at the time. Does that make Denver's ownership and Front Office a devil? No. This happens all over the league! Players drifting in and out, getting small money here and then leaving for bigger money over there.

Rick Smith is not evil. He's doing what he can do to make things work. Doing what a GM does. And nobody here knows to what degree these moves are supported or even directed/endorsed/suggested by Bob McNair himself. There's a lot of chiefs making these decisions, not just Rick Smith.

eriadoc
04-25-2012, 03:21 PM
Promises are funny little things too. Could've been that he was promised they would diligently look to work as big of a deal as they could for him. But, in the end the couldn't.

Could have been that they flat out promised him a multi-year deal and they just didn't do it. That's the possibility, based on that one part of the quote, that I'm addressing. To the rest of your point, I'm cool with it. I don't care that Rackers left, as long as he's replaced with someone as good or better. I don't care that Rackers felt like he couldn't get the money he wanted here. I don't care that a business deal favored one side or the other.

I care that there seems to be a recurring theme regarding the honesty and integrity of Rick Smith, and how that will affect future negotiations with free agents and/or our own players. Rackers is not the first to make these allegations. And for all the business involved, getting players to come to your team often depends on interpersonal relationships. A man is only as good as his word.

The Pencil Neck
04-25-2012, 04:00 PM
Could have been that they flat out promised him a multi-year deal and they just didn't do it. That's the possibility, based on that one part of the quote, that I'm addressing. To the rest of your point, I'm cool with it. I don't care that Rackers left, as long as he's replaced with someone as good or better. I don't care that Rackers felt like he couldn't get the money he wanted here. I don't care that a business deal favored one side or the other.

I care that there seems to be a recurring theme regarding the honesty and integrity of Rick Smith, and how that will affect future negotiations with free agents and/or our own players. Rackers is not the first to make these allegations. And for all the business involved, getting players to come to your team often depends on interpersonal relationships. A man is only as good as his word.

I don't think that the players liking the GM or thinking the GM is an honest or a nice guy matters that much when a player is deciding where to go. GMs can't (or shouldn't) get close to the players.

The biggest factor is the money. If you're offering good money, you can be the biggest asswipe in the world and the players are still going to come play for your team.

The Coach's relationship with the players is another big factor. Coaches like Ryan, the Harbaughs, Dungy, etc., had players wanting to come play for them.

Another big factor is whether the team looks like it's going to do well. Lots of players wanted to go play for the Colts when they were winning. Some guys would have even taken a pay cut to do it. Lots of players want to play for the Patriots even though Belichik is usually seen as something of a jerk.

But the GM? The GM isn't that important. A GM "lying" to a player? Inconsequential. Happens all the time with probably every GM out there. A player thinking he's worth more than the GM thinks he's worth? Happens every day.

The thing here is that Smith wanted Rackers to come back and play with the Texans. And he no doubt told his agent that. But when they got into negotiations, they couldn't agree on the number and someone offered Rackers more. No biggie except that now we've got to find the third kicker in our history. And we'll probably NOT draft one. We'll either get Bulluck as an UDFA or we'll pick up some other street FA.