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badboy
04-23-2012, 09:44 AM
I know some of you hate John McClain but I listen to or watch all sources then decide what I accept. Today (April 23) 8:30a radio 610 said he no longer believes Texans will select WR #26. He mentioned Cordy Glenn bigger than they like but fast at Combine. Nothing said about a trade down.

I will be ok with OG that late but still doubt that happens unless someone falls. It would say something about Caldwell imo. I do know that Dontari Poe is slipping on some boards.

beerlover
04-23-2012, 09:51 AM
I know some of you hate John McClain but I listen to or watch all sources then decide what I accept. Today (April 23) 8:30a radio 610 said he no longer believes Texans will select WR #26. He mentioned Cordy Glenn bigger than they like but fast at Combine. Nothing said about a trade down.

I will be ok with OG that late but still doubt that happens unless someone falls. It would say something about Caldwell imo. I do know that Dontari Poe is slipping on some boards.

I think his last pick was Nick Perry, OLB/DE USC :)

badboy
04-23-2012, 10:05 AM
I think his last pick was Nick Perry, OLB/DE USC :)Yeah, you know I don't think OLB is that high a need but Perry should do well. SOme think he cannot play OLB but I think he'd be a good fit. I posted this thread but there is another in Texans section addressing this topic that I just read again. I guess I could say I don't care much which rounds we get the guys as long as they are quality players.

Playoffs
04-23-2012, 10:11 AM
I'm of same opinion, think receiver value this year is 2nd/3rd/4th rounds.

Really depends on trades, though, and who falls to us. If QBs & RBs fall, WR might look best if they can't trade down.

WolverineFan
04-23-2012, 10:11 AM
It's become apparent over the last week or so that we aren't taking a WR in round one. If I had to guess, I'd say we take an OL (especially Martin if he falls) or a pass rusher. I expect us to take a #2 type WR in round 2 or 3 (Jenkins, Jones, Quick).

badboy
04-23-2012, 10:21 AM
It's become apparent over the last week or so that we aren't taking a WR in round one. If I had to guess, I'd say we take an OL (especially Martin if he falls) or a pass rusher. I expect us to take a #2 type WR in round 2 or 3 (Jenkins, Jones, Quick).I could see Quick being there. I'd also like to wrap up Ryan Broyles for a slot even if he doesn't play much first year.

Fleener, Quick, Ronnell Lewis, Phillip Blake and Broyles then BPA in 5th maybe Adcock in 6th if there.

Doppelganger
04-23-2012, 10:44 AM
I know some of you hate John McClain but I listen to or watch all sources then decide what I accept. Today (April 23) 8:30a radio 610 said he no longer believes Texans will select WR #26. He mentioned Cordy Glenn bigger than they like but fast at Combine. Nothing said about a trade down.

I will be ok with OG that late but still doubt that happens unless someone falls. It would say something about Caldwell imo. I do know that Dontari Poe is slipping on some boards.

Glenn should be gone when the Texans pick. He is a large athletic OL. he has good feet and tends to overwhelm defenders. At 345, it is near impossible to bull rush into him and his feet allow him to slide well and deal with some speed. Some have projected him as an RT or an OG, but I think he could be
a high caliber OG vs a decent RT. While he has good feet, they are not good enough for speed rushers and he would get beaten more times than you would like.

If Glenn was on the board, I would seriously consider taking him.

steelbtexan
04-23-2012, 10:54 AM
Glenn should be gone when the Texans pick. He is a large athletic OL. he has good feet and tends to overwhelm defenders. At 345, it is near impossible to bull rush into him and his feet allow him to slide well and deal with some speed. Some have projected him as an RT or an OG, but I think he could be
a high caliber OG vs a decent RT. While he has good feet, they are not good enough for speed rushers and he would get beaten more times than you would like.

If Glenn was on the board, I would seriously consider taking him.

Agreed

Glenn is a better, more versatile version of Winston. I would have no problem with Glenn at 26. I dont think he will be there though. Give me Hill,McClellin or Jenkins at 26. (Great value) I know the Texans wont be taking J.Jenkins.

badboy
04-23-2012, 10:56 AM
Glenn should be gone when the Texans pick. He is a large athletic OL. he has good feet and tends to overwhelm defenders. At 345, it is near impossible to bull rush into him and his feet allow him to slide well and deal with some speed. Some have projected him as an RT or an OG, but I think he could be
a high caliber OG vs a decent RT. While he has good feet, they are not good enough for speed rushers and he would get beaten more times than you would like.

If Glenn was on the board, I would seriously consider taking him.I agree but to clarify, I think McClain was saying he'd be a guard. CBS has him at 21st over all best.

I'm a big Zeitler fan and might be a target if a trade down. Hopefully someone will fall that allows Houston to be beneficiary of a bidding war for our pick.

Maddict5
04-23-2012, 11:37 AM
It's become apparent over the last week or so that we aren't taking a WR in round one.

why? whats happened in the last week? texans havent said anything at all one way or the other

GuerillaBlack
04-23-2012, 11:48 AM
I hope that if Hill is there, the Texans take him. I see nice potential in him. If not, trade back, and get Quick in the second. If they go offensive lineman in the first, hopefully they go WR in the second, and ION in the third.

Ryan
04-23-2012, 01:44 PM
The only way we draft a receiver i believe is if Wright fell. But that's not looking very likely.

WolverineFan
04-23-2012, 03:37 PM
why? whats happened in the last week? texans havent said anything at all one way or the other

Seems to be the general consensus from those close to the team and most of the "draftnik" fans.

Blake
04-23-2012, 03:46 PM
I know some of you hate John McClain but I listen to or watch all sources then decide what I accept. Today (April 23) 8:30a radio 610 said he no longer believes Texans will select WR #26. He mentioned Cordy Glenn bigger than they like but fast at Combine. Nothing said about a trade down.

I will be ok with OG that late but still doubt that happens unless someone falls. It would say something about Caldwell imo. I do know that Dontari Poe is slipping on some boards.

I understand that there is a chance we wont take a WR in the first. And while I think that Kendall Wright, Rueben Randall or Stephen Hill would be fine choices, I would consider passing on a WR if we wanted to grab a stud OLB or ILB replacement.

I am not a fan of taking a guard in round 1. Even if he can play RT.

Blake
04-23-2012, 03:47 PM
The only way we draft a receiver i believe is if Wright fell. But that's not looking very likely.

Not a Randall or Hill fan?

TimeKiller
04-23-2012, 04:29 PM
I think our positioning and the prospects likely to be available aren't overwhelmingly good values, especially when you are probably letting a better player go to get a WR.

Blackmon, Floyd I think pretty much anyone would be surprised if either of these guys fell to 26. I also think the Texans would have the cue card on stage before Gooddell got through announcing the previous player's name for either receiver.

Hill- long term development athlete with suspect hands. High risk.
Wright- smallish and benefitted from a spread offense being run by a Heisman winner.
Sanu- my own feelings aside, I think most people would consider this a pretty lofty reach. Would be better if they traded down to get him.
Jeffry- character questions.
Randle- huge reach IMO. Same jam as Hill except this guy isn't in the same athletic category as Hill.

Who else could even be considered in the 1st?

The one we've been over that could actually make a little sense is Fleener. He plays like a supersized WR anyway. Alas, I do not believe a receiver (of any kind) is coming in the first.

badboy
04-23-2012, 05:00 PM
Perfect scenario for me would be if Hill was there and San Fran traded up for him giving us a third and we then selected Fleener. Depending on who was available late 2nd, I could then see trading that third and our fifth as we did last draft.

SW H-TOWN
04-24-2012, 12:13 PM
Just in general I would not rule out a huge G/T type like Brandon Brooks...ect. We drafted Charles Spencer with pick # 65 in 2006 and he was pretty much labeled as just a guard. I believe these were some of Spencer's measurables.

40 Yard Dash: 5.25 seconds
20 Yard Dash: 3.10 seconds
10 Yard Dash: 1.85 seconds
Bench Press: 30 reps (225 lb)

beerlover
04-24-2012, 12:36 PM
F-it take Randle & get it over already. can't wait until it's done so we can move on with rest of this draft.

krocket
04-24-2012, 12:47 PM
If Dontari Poe did happen to fall (I think Mayock listed him at #4 DT) I would be hard pressed to pass on him. I know, I know he is 350 lb and Wade likes 300 lb, but Poe has the athleticism better than most 300 lb and is strong as a bulldozer. Another Vince Wolfolk maybe. The knock on him is that he might take a year or two to come into the position, but that is fine. We have people to cover while he adapts.

SW H-TOWN
04-24-2012, 01:33 PM
If Dontari Poe did happen to fall (I think Mayock listed him at #4 DT) I would be hard pressed to pass on him. I know, I know he is 350 lb and Wade likes 300 lb, but Poe has the athleticism better than most 300 lb and is strong as a bulldozer. Another Vince Wolfolk maybe. The knock on him is that he might take a year or two to come into the position, but that is fine. We have people to cover while he adapts.

I am not really a fan of Poe for this reason. He should of been dominant in college. Given this guys natural skill set he should have put up MONSTER STATS given the level of competition he was facing. His lack of production at Memphis compared to his measurables is a big red flag to me.

Rey
04-24-2012, 02:43 PM
I am not really a fan of Poe for this reason. He should of been dominant in college. Given this guys natural skill set he should have put up MONSTER STATS given the level of competition he was facing. His lack of production at Memphis compared to his measurables is a big red flag to me.

I could understand if the guy was a LB or safety or DE, but it's super easy to gameplan to stay away from a DT. Double him, triple him, run outside, pass.

Just the nature of the position doesn't lend itself to being a playmaker.

He probably should have been a little better, but when I watch him on film he showed up. He got penetration almost every time. I didn't see many stalemates and I definitely didnt see him moved backwards.

He had some weaknesses, but he looked good overall.

I think with NFL coaching and being placed in the right system he can be a good player. Dominant? I dunno, That's up to him and how hard he works.

badboy
04-24-2012, 02:50 PM
I am not really a fan of Poe for this reason. He should of been dominant in college. Given this guys natural skill set he should have put up MONSTER STATS given the level of competition he was facing. His lack of production at Memphis compared to his measurables is a big red flag to me.Gonna disagree with you as Poe should be very good in this defense. Rey makes good points. If the nose is taking up two defenders, he is earning his check; any penetration that disrupts the pocket or QB is gravy. Nose is one of the few positions where stats mean little to me. I look for stamina as in Ta'amu who did well in bowl. Drafting a nose also allows Mitchell to move to DE.

SW H-TOWN
04-24-2012, 05:48 PM
Gonna disagree with you as Poe should be very good in this defense. Rey makes good points. If the nose is taking up two defenders, he is earning his check; any penetration that disrupts the pocket or QB is gravy. Nose is one of the few positions where stats mean little to me. I look for stamina as in Ta'amu who did well in bowl. Drafting a nose also allows Mitchell to move to DE.

That is the reason I would like us to draft a NT as well. I think that Smith could be a cap casualty after next season and Earl would be a great DE. However we cannot agree on everything. That is part of what makes the draft so interesting. I just look at guys who faced superior competition, were game planned for, and had better production despite being less physically gifted. Poe if coached correctly could become an All Pro but I see him as a classic boom or bust prospect. Personally he is a little too risky for my taste given his first round grade but everybody has different opinions. I cannot wait until draft day!!!

mussop
04-24-2012, 07:32 PM
I know some of you hate John McClain but I listen to or watch all sources then decide what I accept. Today (April 23) 8:30a radio 610 said he no longer believes Texans will select WR #26.

I have been saying this for 2 months.