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ArlingtonTexan
04-16-2012, 02:17 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/16/after-procedure-last-week-schaubs-recovery-remains-on-track-for-training-camp/


Says he is on schedule.

Rey
04-16-2012, 02:23 PM
“I mean, sitting here on April 16, it’s hard for me to say when I will be [ready],” Schaub said. “I mean, after the screws came out this past week, it’s hard for me to tell you a certain date or June or something like that. All I know is come time for training camp, I’m going to be 100 percent ready to go and that’s all that really matters, in my mind.”

If Schaub can’t participate in the upcoming OTAs, T.J. Yates presumably will get the bulk of the practice reps. Which will make him better prepared in the event of further injury to Schaub.



Seems like some double talk is going on.


Hard to say when you'll be ready, but you know you'll be 100% by training camp? Huh?

I think he's just being hopeful, which he should be.

Dutchrudder
04-16-2012, 02:30 PM
I'll bet his wife won't be happy when she finds out he had his hardware removed...


/obligatory

dc_txtech
04-16-2012, 02:33 PM
I'll be his wife

:lol:

HouSportsWriter
04-16-2012, 02:33 PM
I'll be his wife won't be happy when she finds out he had his hardware removed...


/obligatory

Lmaoooooo + rep

Dutchrudder
04-16-2012, 02:47 PM
:lol:

Oops. Ummm, that was not a Freudian slip...

Vinnie
04-16-2012, 02:49 PM
Here's a link to the post where CloakNNNdagger explained the hardware and timeframe for removal.

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90008&highlight=schaub+lisfranc&page=4

Re-reading it doesn't make me feel any better.

Blake
04-16-2012, 03:10 PM
Seems like some double talk is going on.


Hard to say when you'll be ready, but you know you'll be 100% by training camp? Huh?

I think he's just being hopeful, which he should be.

Training camp started on July 31st last year. He is saying that he doesnt know specifically when he will be ready, but that it will be by TC.

Rey
04-16-2012, 03:16 PM
Training camp started on July 31st last year. He is saying that he doesnt know specifically when he will be ready, but that it will be by TC.

I'm reading his words as he said them and I think it's kind of strange to say that you don't know when you'll be ready, but you know you'll be 100% by a certain date.

If you know that you'll be 100% by the time training camp rolls around then you should know when you'll be 75%, or 80%, or 95%....

Truth is, he may never get to 100% ever again.

To me it just sounds like he is being hopeful, but that is what he is supposed to be doing.

Brando
04-16-2012, 03:17 PM
I'll bet his wife won't be happy when she finds out he had his hardware removed...


/obligatory

:lol:

Perki-Perk
04-16-2012, 03:43 PM
Has he ever been 100%??

I've seen people run from slow motion explosions in action movies faster than he does a bootleg in real time.

badboy
04-16-2012, 04:03 PM
Has he ever been 100%??

I've seen people run from slow motion explosions in action movies faster than he does a bootleg in real time.I could care less how slow he runs a bootleg as long as he continues to fake the defense out of their Nikes. Matt runs one of the most effective bootlegs I've seen. Now if we just had someone on other side to open the field a bit more......

welsh texan
04-16-2012, 04:13 PM
I've been extremely skeptical of the FO's noise regarding how definite Schaub's recovery is for week 1 next season.

The guy has been walking round with his leg held together with more rebar than your average skyscraper and yet all we've heard out of the FO has been tales of him wanting to play golf and being right on track etc.

I'm no medical expert, but I find it hard to believe that they could be sure how he's going to cope and recover before this point, nows when he begins the real healing. The dude has got a different geometry now, its like changing the suspension setup on your car, he's going to have to relearn the finer points of his balance etc to be able to throw the ball accurately.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if we are that team who reaches for their 3rd round graded QB in the first this year, I'd be upset that its a sign Schaub won't be back week 1, but not surprised.

Our FO love to make all the wrong noises ahead of draft day to throw opposing teams' draft boards off, and stop people trading up ahead of us to take our pick, if they were 100% sure he'd be back, I'd half expect them to be making a load of noises about taking a QB in the first as misdirection. I hope I'm totally wrong on this.

Thorn
04-16-2012, 04:24 PM
I still don't believe that Schaub will be 100% when he comes back from this, and I also don't believe he'll be starting game one of the regular season. I have a distinct feeling we'd all better get used to Yates.

Yankee_In_TX
04-16-2012, 04:26 PM
I'll bet his wife won't be happy when she finds out he had his hardware removed...


/obligatory

Yeah, that's an unfortunate thread title....

infantrycak
04-16-2012, 04:41 PM
I could care less how slow he runs a bootleg as long as he continues to fake the defense out of their Nikes. Matt runs one of the most effective bootlegs I've seen.

Exactly. This isn't the option. It isn't him threatening to run. Schaub's bootlegs work because (Foster and the running game is good should be #1 but it was effective when we had an ineffective running game) (a) he has one of the best play fakes around and (b) because he is diligent and doesn't just stand there on actual running plays - he will often roll out after handing the ball off. Mutually built plays. Schaub rolling out on running plays disrupts the D as a yin yang to Foster acting like he has the ball when Schaub is boot legging.

The Medic01
04-16-2012, 04:42 PM
Good. Looks like we'll have our starting QB.

Goldensilence
04-16-2012, 05:06 PM
I still don't believe that Schaub will be 100% when he comes back from this, and I also don't believe he'll be starting game one of the regular season. I have a distinct feeling we'd all better get used to Yates.

I share the exact sentiments.

I also have concerns about if he really is on track at that point how much this will affect other aspects of his game. A QB with already limited mobility could be even less? Will it lead to more hits? Will Matt be able to stand up to a high hit count? More shotgun formations?

At least over the next few months its likely Yates will be getting the bulk or the starters reps, which helps.

Perki-Perk
04-16-2012, 06:28 PM
I could care less how slow he runs a bootleg as long as he continues to fake the defense out of their Nikes. Matt runs one of the most effective bootlegs I've seen. Now if we just had someone on other side to open the field a bit more......

Oh my gosh! Nevermind the witty humor, let's be all technical! Maybe it's so effective because of how slow he runs it...haha, the defense thinks he couldn't possibly still have the ball.

ObsiWan
04-16-2012, 08:05 PM
I'll bet his wife won't be happy when she finds out he had his hardware removed...


/obligatory

Has he ever been 100%??

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTsAnuWIq7wV41R0hPRCh2i0iw5Y2OHd ZkEg5Y0dIZkjF1UdKfe

Norg
04-16-2012, 08:17 PM
"in the event of further injury to Schaub"

Is this almost certain :P :wadepalm:

TdotTexas2Step
04-16-2012, 08:23 PM
Like others have noted, Schaub's speed as he runs the bootleg isn't really that important to its effectiveness.

But it would be nice to have a QB who could give the defense another thing to worry about, even if it's a slight worry for the QB taking off for 3-4 yards.

3rd and 15, 40 seconds left to go in the season game against the Bengals, and the play breaks down, so Yates scrambles for the first down. Some may argue that if Schaub was playing, we might not be in a 3rd and 15 scenario, and that's fair.

But regardless, it'd be another weapon that'd be nice.

CloakNNNdagger
04-16-2012, 10:17 PM
Here's a link to the post where CloakNNNdagger explained the hardware and timeframe for removal.

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90008&highlight=schaub+lisfranc&page=4

Re-reading it doesn't make me feel any better.

Vinnie,

The link you posted leads to the thread, but not to the post you referred to.

So here's the direct link (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1910614&postcount=79) to my post, if anyone is interested in reviewing it. The facts and my impressions remain unchanged.

Marcus
04-16-2012, 11:22 PM
I've been extremely skeptical of the FO's noise regarding how definite Schaub's recovery is for week 1 next season.

The guy has been walking round with his leg held together with more rebar than your average skyscraper and yet all we've heard out of the FO has been tales of him wanting to play golf and being right on track etc.

I'm no medical expert, but I find it hard to believe that they could be sure how he's going to cope and recover before this point, nows when he begins the real healing. The dude has got a different geometry now, its like changing the suspension setup on your car, he's going to have to relearn the finer points of his balance etc to be able to throw the ball accurately.


Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Give that man a ceegar!! :bravo:

Not to mention the concern here is less the injury itself causing long-term problems, but instead the inability to get in shape, resulting in nagging injuries like pulls and strains during the season.

I fully expect a QB to be taken in the draft. That might disappoint some, but if some are surprised, they aren't paying any attention.

redwhiteblue
04-17-2012, 01:29 AM
More like Schaub had his personality removed

The Pencil Neck
04-17-2012, 01:36 AM
I still don't believe that Schaub will be 100% when he comes back from this, and I also don't believe he'll be starting game one of the regular season. I have a distinct feeling we'd all better get used to Yates.

This.

Although I think he'll be close to 100% by mid-season as long as he's not rushed back into action too soon.

I'm hoping that Yates will be much better after getting the TC reps under his belt. I expect him to be. A couple of days ago, I went back and re-watched the Falcons game. The kid's got a chance to be special. I'd just prefer to have him backing up Schaub for a year or two before he really had to be put to the test. I expect him to be our game 1 starter and start at least 3-4 games.

Marcus
04-17-2012, 04:35 AM
Hey ArlingtonTexan, I'm just curious . . . did you mispell Schaub's name accidentally, or was that by design as a form of protest?

ckhouston
04-17-2012, 09:01 AM
"Moving forward" .. "Just moving on" ... "Not sure about when 100%" ... blah, blah, blah.

Matt Schaub never takes another snap for the Texans ... my prediction.

Damaged goods. Injury prone player who was just average to begin with (had some great moments but overall career average), and may never play for any team again. Just had the hardware removed and it isn't until some time after that if they can tell the operation was truly successful. Even then if it is deemed a "success", it doesn't mean he plays football like a pro player ever again, it basically just means the dude can walk and has normal ability.

The Texans (Matt, Gary, Rick) have been trying to spin this all off season ... makes me think something is coming in the draft that will surprise us.

ArlingtonTexan
04-17-2012, 09:49 AM
Hey ArlingtonTexan, I'm just curious . . . did you mispell Schaub's name accidentally, or was that by design as a form of protest?

No just a poor typist.

The Medic01
04-17-2012, 10:02 AM
Don't understand you guys. I know the doc has a lot of info but when the team says that he will be ready I believe that he will be ready.

GP
04-17-2012, 11:16 AM
This.

Although I think he'll be close to 100% by mid-season as long as he's not rushed back into action too soon.

I'm hoping that Yates will be much better after getting the TC reps under his belt. I expect him to be. A couple of days ago, I went back and re-watched the Falcons game. The kid's got a chance to be special. I'd just prefer to have him backing up Schaub for a year or two before he really had to be put to the test. I expect him to be our game 1 starter and start at least 3-4 games.

I agree.

Texans would be foolish to rush him back onto the field. Even the idea of him being at training camp and trying to do too much in camp is scary. It would be the Texans fault if they rushed him back and he re-injured it. The Texans are the final decision makers on when a player returns, and they have an obligation to the team and to the player to NOT rush him back onto the field too early.

TJ can hold down the fort for the first half of the season, let Schaub come in midway and see what he can do...this is fair to everyone, IMO: (1) Schaub needs a full year from the time of the injury, (2) TJ will have had a full camp and benefit of playing in high pressure games back in 2011, and (3) The halfway point of the 2012 season gives us the opportunity to see if Schaub can play QB for a full game or heck, even if it's just for 1 quarter of football.

I don't see why we can't have our cake and eat it too. Play TJ, when the midway point of the season gets here we activate Schaub and play him sparingly in perhaps one quarter of play or garbage time when we're blowing out the opponent in the 4th quarter...and 99% of those plays will be handoffs or safe pass plays out of the shotgun with max protection for Schaub. This gives the texans some film to study to make a decision on Schaub's contract.

Win-win, IMO.

The Medic01
04-17-2012, 11:38 AM
I agree.

Texans would be foolish to rush him back onto the field. Even the idea of him being at training camp and trying to do too much in camp is scary. It would be the Texans fault if they rushed him back and he re-injured it. The Texans are the final decision makers on when a player returns, and they have an obligation to the team and to the player to NOT rush him back onto the field too early.

TJ can hold down the fort for the first half of the season, let Schaub come in midway and see what he can do...this is fair to everyone, IMO: (1) Schaub needs a full year from the time of the injury, (2) TJ will have had a full camp and benefit of playing in high pressure games back in 2011, and (3) The halfway point of the 2012 season gives us the opportunity to see if Schaub can play QB for a full game or heck, even if it's just for 1 quarter of football.

I don't see why we can't have our cake and eat it too. Play TJ, when the midway point of the season gets here we activate Schaub and play him sparingly in perhaps one quarter of play or garbage time when we're blowing out the opponent in the 4th quarter...and 99% of those plays will be handoffs or safe pass plays out of the shotgun with max protection for Schaub. This gives the texans some film to study to make a decision on Schaub's contract.

Win-win, IMO.

The thing is (depending on our schedule such as when our toughest games are) we could be 3-5 or 2-6 and our season could already be lost. Even though I think Schaub is starting week 1 if he isn't I'm hoping our hard games are in the latter half of the season.

Porky
04-17-2012, 01:22 PM
Exactly. This isn't the option. It isn't him threatening to run. Schaub's bootlegs work because (Foster and the running game is good should be #1 but it was effective when we had an ineffective running game) (a) he has one of the best play fakes around and (b) because he is diligent and doesn't just stand there on actual running plays - he will often roll out after handing the ball off. Mutually built plays. Schaub rolling out on running plays disrupts the D as a yin yang to Foster acting like he has the ball when Schaub is boot legging.

Exactly. They are one of the best offenses in the league at disguising their plays in general. Manning and the Colts were the best not long ago, but the Texans are right there and Schaub is a big reason why. Sure hope he is at or near 100% by Sept.

Thorn
04-17-2012, 02:19 PM
I would be absolutely ecstatic if Schaub comes back in form and leads us to the promised land. I hope it happens, but I just don’t see it.

Señor Stan
04-17-2012, 02:23 PM
Don't understand you guys. I know the doc has a lot of info but when the team says that he will be ready I believe that he will be ready.

Signed,

Tony Boselli and Domanick Davis

Marcus
04-17-2012, 02:29 PM
Don't understand you guys. I know the doc has a lot of info but when the team says that he will be ready I believe that he will be ready.

I see that you didn't join this place until November of last year. You're about to find out something regarding the team's honesty about injury disclosures.

The Medic01
04-17-2012, 02:37 PM
I see that you didn't join this place until November of last year. You're about to find out something regarding the team's honesty about injury disclosures.

Well if your implying that I became a fan in November that is wrong although I've only been a fan for 5 years

Marcus
04-17-2012, 03:00 PM
Well if your implying that I became a fan in November that is wrong although I've only been a fan for 5 years

Wasn't implying that all about you being a fan. What I was implying was that had you been around here earlier, you would be a lot better informed.

ckhouston
04-18-2012, 04:09 PM
I agree.

Texans would be foolish to rush him back onto the field. Even the idea of him being at training camp and trying to do too much in camp is scary. It would be the Texans fault if they rushed him back and he re-injured it. The Texans are the final decision makers on when a player returns, and they have an obligation to the team and to the player to NOT rush him back onto the field too early.

TJ can hold down the fort for the first half of the season, let Schaub come in midway and see what he can do...this is fair to everyone, IMO: (1) Schaub needs a full year from the time of the injury, (2) TJ will have had a full camp and benefit of playing in high pressure games back in 2011, and (3) The halfway point of the 2012 season gives us the opportunity to see if Schaub can play QB for a full game or heck, even if it's just for 1 quarter of football.

I don't see why we can't have our cake and eat it too. Play TJ, when the midway point of the season gets here we activate Schaub and play him sparingly in perhaps one quarter of play or garbage time when we're blowing out the opponent in the 4th quarter...and 99% of those plays will be handoffs or safe pass plays out of the shotgun with max protection for Schaub. This gives the texans some film to study to make a decision on Schaub's contract.

Win-win, IMO.

If TJ starts the year and does well, then Matt (if he is medically cleared to play) would be trade bait mid-season before the deadline. You would not wait to see if he was going to be able to play and then not be able to get anything for him if TJ was the better option and doing well. You would let him get cleared, and then try to get something for a QB in the last year of his contract, so the other team could worry about if he was 100% or not.

ArlingtonTexan
04-18-2012, 05:23 PM
If TJ starts the year and does well, then Matt (if he is medically cleared to play) would be trade bait mid-season before the deadline. You would not wait to see if he was going to be able to play and then not be able to get anything for him if TJ was the better option and doing well. You would let him get cleared, and then try to get something for a QB in the last year of his contract, so the other team could worry about if he was 100% or not.

There is the 'little" problem of not having a legitimate back-up QB.

GuerillaBlack
04-18-2012, 06:52 PM
There is the 'little" problem of not having a legitimate back-up QB.

Just sign a vet in the offseason of after trading Schaub.

ArlingtonTexan
04-18-2012, 07:15 PM
Just sign a vet in the offseason of after trading Schaub.

They are talking in-season trading Schaub. and there is about zero QBs hanging around the unemployment line who are better than healthy schaub (and I get his health is far from guaranteed).

GuerillaBlack
04-18-2012, 08:18 PM
They are talking in-season trading Schaub. and there is about zero QBs hanging around the unemployment line who are better than healthy schaub (and I get his health is far from guaranteed).

Should have been "or after..." not "of". There are vet QBs in the middle of the season. Of course, all of this depends on how well Yates plays.

leebigeztx
04-22-2012, 12:03 AM
i said it after the injury was announced, schaub has played his last game as a texans. I know it sucks, but when he comes back, the team will be in mid season form and tj will be in control of the offense.

ObsiWan
04-22-2012, 09:44 AM
i said it after the injury was announced, schaub has played his last game as a texans. I know it sucks, but when he comes back, the team will be in mid season form and tj will be in control of the offense.

and we'll be VERY lucky to be at .500. And Foster + our defense will carry us to any wins we manage.
Yates will be - AT BEST - a spot duty backup.

Rey
04-22-2012, 11:42 AM
and we'll be VERY lucky to be at .500. And Foster + our defense will carry us to any wins we manage.
Yates will be - AT BEST - a spot duty backup.

I disagree.

I think Yates will be able to compete for a starting job somewhere if not here.

The Pencil Neck
04-22-2012, 01:42 PM
and we'll be VERY lucky to be at .500. And Foster + our defense will carry us to any wins we manage.
Yates will be - AT BEST - a spot duty backup.

Dude.

I went back and watched the Falcons game and the first series of the last Titans game. TJ, as a rook, played a helluva lot better than just a spot duty backup.

Give this kid a real off-season and starter's reps in TC? I think you're going to be surprised.

drs23
04-22-2012, 02:23 PM
Dude.

I went back and watched the Falcons game and the first series of the last Titans game. TJ, as a rook, played a helluva lot better than just a spot duty backup.

Give this kid a real off-season and starter's reps in TC? I think you're going to be surprised.

I said it last year as well. He has the capabitly. I also think it's a matter of reps with the fisrt team and a full off season. TJ was tossed in the barrel last season and aside from the most obvious parts, he did a great job for the practice and reps he had (not even running OUR offense).

Like Rey said, I think he's going to compete for a starte's job as well and but I don't see him doing anywhere than here. I don't see Kubes letting him get away. This is based on my thought that I'm not sure Matt has an even 50 - 50 chance of coming back with the history of his particular injury. I'm not buying into the Texans' spin on it just yet.

Like I've seen a few others post, I wouldn't be surpised to see Matt PUP'd.

welsh texan
04-22-2012, 06:31 PM
If you're in the camp that Yates just needs first team reps through the off-season, I think you can rest easy, from all the info I've seen on Matt's injury, even if he was to start week 1, he isn't going to be taking too many reps in practice.

I saw Yates looking about level with any of those borderline starting QB's in their rookie seasons, of course Yates having only taken 3rd team reps for most of the season, you'd have to think he has a chance to outperform that analysis, but at the same time he might end up as one of the ones who fail.

Either way, he's already lived up to his draft position if he never played another down. I'd feel a lot more comfortable if I wasn't forced to find out which way he's going to go this season tbh, much rather have the chance to wait 1 more year.

ArlingtonTexan
04-23-2012, 02:11 AM
If you're in the camp that Yates just needs first team reps through the off-season, I think you can rest easy, from all the info I've seen on Matt's injury, even if he was to start week 1, he isn't going to be taking too many reps in practice.

I saw Yates looking about level with any of those borderline starting QB's in their rookie seasons, of course Yates having only taken 3rd team reps for most of the season, you'd have to think he has a chance to outperform that analysis, but at the same time he might end up as one of the ones who fail.

Either way, he's already lived up to his draft position if he never played another down. I'd feel a lot more comfortable if I wasn't forced to find out which way he's going to go this season tbh, much rather have the chance to wait 1 more year.

Think this is posting that I agree with for the most part. Yates played well for the situation that he was placed, he did not consistently perform as a legitiamte starting QB. There is distinct difference. While not a true superstar or anything, healthy Schaub is legitimate NFL starting QB, 10 to 12 guys better at the moment. Healthy is an issue.

If there was some way for him to get enough playing to figure out what the Texans have in Yates, but not run him out there for 10-12 plus games as the starter that would be the ideal situation for me.

ObsiWan
04-23-2012, 12:08 PM
Dude.

I went back and watched the Falcons game and the first series of the last Titans game. TJ, as a rook, played a helluva lot better than just a spot duty backup.

Give this kid a real off-season and starter's reps in TC? I think you're going to be surprised.

You mean the Falcons' game where Yates went 12 of 25 for 188 yds and threw what would have been the game-tying pick-six (in the fourth quarter I might add) but was saved by Dunta Robinson on a defensive holding penalty?? THAT Falcons' game??

Did I mention the Yates fumble for a six that was called back due to off-setting penalties in the first qtr?

That's 14 pts the rook gave away only to be saved by penalties...

Oh yeaaah, that game gives me great confidence in him.
:sarcasm:

ObsiWan
04-23-2012, 12:25 PM
If you're in the camp that Yates just needs first team reps through the off-season, I think you can rest easy, from all the info I've seen on Matt's injury, even if he was to start week 1, he isn't going to be taking too many reps in practice.

I saw Yates looking about level with any of those borderline starting QB's in their rookie seasons, of course Yates having only taken 3rd team reps for most of the season, you'd have to think he has a chance to outperform that analysis, but at the same time he might end up as one of the ones who fail.

Either way, he's already lived up to his draft position if he never played another down. I'd feel a lot more comfortable if I wasn't forced to find out which way he's going to go this season tbh, much rather have the chance to wait 1 more year.

This is where I am. (maybe I was a bit harsh in that prior post :D )
On the positive side, we've gotten more than we've bargained for already. Dude was pressed into service in dire circumstances and, while he didn't transform into a Tom Brady clone, he more than held his own in spots.

On the other hand, he looked like the 5th-round/3rd string guy he was in other spots. So there's no way that I think Yates is ready, right now, to be handed this offense. Just on experience and reading defenses alone, 85-90% Matt Schaub is better - right now - than a 110% T.J. Yates.

I say, let's give Yates another year, with 2nd team (and maybe some 1st team - since I agree we don't want to wear Schaub out in T/C) reps in camp AND a full pre-season running the second team and lets see where he is.

Oh and let's bring in a vet to push him.

I ain't saying cut the kid. I just don't think he's ready to be "handed this team". Not yet.

Rey
04-23-2012, 01:36 PM
That wasn't fumble.

GuerillaBlack
04-23-2012, 01:56 PM
That wasn't fumble.

Was also his first NFL start against a pretty good Falcons D.

The Pencil Neck
04-23-2012, 03:02 PM
You mean the Falcons' game where Yates went 12 of 25 for 188 yds and threw what would have been the game-tying pick-six (in the fourth quarter I might add) but was saved by Dunta Robinson on a defensive holding penalty?? THAT Falcons' game??

Did I mention the Yates fumble for a six that was called back due to off-setting penalties in the first qtr?

That's 14 pts the rook gave away only to be saved by penalties...

Oh yeaaah, that game gives me great confidence in him.
:sarcasm:

Yeah. That game. His first start. Against a playoff team. That we won. That game.

badboy
04-23-2012, 03:52 PM
We have a coach that is renown for his schooling of QBs. I think Schaub is a perfect example as he had little more to show prrior to coming here than Yates will next season. We know what a healthy Matt can an cannot do. We have only an inkling of what a Yates with entire offseason and TC will do. Best thing that happened to TJ was his condfidence was boosted. Add another weapon or two for our QB to throw to and the entire team benefits. How many times have we heard that Texans offense does not need a superstar QB to be successful? As I believe Schaub will be Mario part 2 in 2013, we better hope Yates is the man.

thunderkyss
04-25-2012, 10:23 AM
I saw Yates looking about level with any of those borderline starting QB's in their rookie seasons, of course Yates having only taken 3rd team reps for most of the season, you'd have to think he has a chance to outperform that analysis, but at the same time he might end up as one of the ones who fail.

Either way, he's already lived up to his draft position if he never played another down. I'd feel a lot more comfortable if I wasn't forced to find out which way he's going to go this season tbh, much rather have the chance to wait 1 more year.

For the most part I agree. I think you should also take into account that teams didn't know what to expect from him the first couple of games. Once they got a better handle on him, he looked like a 5th round rookie.

I am also not in favor of "forcing" him into a starters role. He's a back up, maybe a damn good back up. But judging from his last game, he still has a lot of work to do, before he is ready. He left way too much on the table.

I like the kid & would love it if he were the guy to take us to the promised land. I'm just not convinced he is that guy now & I'm not ready to start the season with him as our #1 QB. We found out in 2009 how important week 1 can be.

The Pencil Neck
04-25-2012, 03:19 PM
For the most part I agree. I think you should also take into account that teams didn't know what to expect from him the first couple of games. Once they got a better handle on him, he looked like a 5th round rookie.

The guy was making his 7th start in the playoffs against one of the great defenses of all time, a defense that has made all pro QBs look silly. And we were still in it at the end of the game.

Your bar might be set a little high.

TejasTom
04-25-2012, 03:51 PM
Just sign a vet in the offseason of after trading Schaub.

Last I heard, "l'm an elite quarterback" is still available.

Rey
04-25-2012, 03:51 PM
The guy was making his 7th start in the playoffs against one of the great defenses of all time, a defense that has made all pro QBs look silly. And we were still in it at the end of the game.

Your bar might be set a little high.

This.

No one doubts Dalton and her performed pretty awful last year against the ravens as well.

thunderkyss
04-25-2012, 05:45 PM
The guy was making his 7th start in the playoffs against one of the great defenses of all time, a defense that has made all pro QBs look silly. And we were still in it at the end of the game.

Your bar might be set a little high.

I think we were still in it at the end of the game because of our defense.

I've got nothing against Tj.... but I'm not ready to anoint him the starter. I'd just like have other options, just in case.

If he's the starter, his job is winning & right now, I think his job needs to be getting better at the fundamentals. Reading, footwork, timing, & learning that playbook like the back of his hand.

Week 16 & 17, we weren't playing the Ravens formidable D.

ArlingtonTexan
04-25-2012, 05:56 PM
This.

No one doubts Dalton and her performed pretty awful last year against the ravens as well.

And that's why Dalton has NOT proven that he is a legitimate starting QB in the NFL. Nice 1st year, but far from a build around guy (or honestly even a schaub)

Lucky
06-09-2012, 07:45 AM
Schaub says he's "Ready to go" (http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2012/06/texans-qb-schaub-says-he%E2%80%99s-100-percent-ready-to-return/).

The next time quarterback Matt Schaub and receiver Andre Johnson are on the field together, they will not be highly paid Texans cheerleaders.


Schaub (foot) and Johnson (knee) watched and advised during the 10 organized team activities. They’ll sit out next week’s minicamp with about 30 other veterans who’ll spend three days in the weight room and leave the on-field work to players who need to learn the system.


“I’m ready to go,” Schaub said Friday.


Schaub is healthy after Lisfranc surgery on his right foot last November.
Schaub could have participated in the OTAs, but coach Gary Kubiak kept him out as a precaution. Like Johnson,


Schaub will be 100 percent when training camp begins in late July. Johnson had arthroscopic surgery on his left knee in early May.

I guess we'll revisit this come training camp.

Texans_Chick
06-09-2012, 09:14 AM
Schaub says he's "Ready to go" (http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2012/06/texans-qb-schaub-says-he%E2%80%99s-100-percent-ready-to-return/).


I guess we'll revisit this come training camp.

They said they kept out Schaub as precaution.

On the side field doing agility drills, he looked fine. Did agility drills, and then went through various drop backs, bootleg work.

He looks like Schaub.

SheTexan
06-09-2012, 09:22 AM
They said they kept out Schaub as precaution.

On the side field doing agility drills, he looked fine. Did agility drills, and then went through various drop backs, bootleg work.

He looks like Schaub.


:hurrah: Makin me feel a lot better about our O !! THANKS Steph!!

ckhouston
06-09-2012, 09:24 AM
As much of a Matt detractor as I have been, this is actually an exciting situation to me. You have a QB who has beat the odds and made it back seemingly from what could have been a career ending injury. He is in a contract year. Although I still consider his overall career performance to be average, he has shown flashes of brilliance at times. Did I mention he is in a contract year? All players typically have some of their best years in contract years, and some of their worse the year after. If Matt comes out guns blazing and can go the distance we should have one hell of a ride this year.

What if he gets injured? Then you have this young gun on the bench just chomping at the bit to get back into the action. TJ has had a taste of starting, won a playoff game, and wants to prove he belongs. I feel if he is called upon he will do just that ... prove he belongs, and wouldnt be surprised even if Matt has a good year if TJ isnt the starter going forward for cap reasons and just because of Matts overall injury history. May be a business decision to be made.

Lastly what if the worse possible scenario happens and here we are going back to the playoffs and have to turn to Keenum? Hometown college hero, huge numbers, legitimate heisman contender ... nothing to lose. If we are unfortunate enough to find ourselves in that situation ... I say bring it on.

Next man up!

thunderkyss
06-09-2012, 11:53 AM
As much of a Matt detractor as I have been, this is actually an exciting situation to me. You have a QB who has beat the odds and made it back seemingly from what could have been a career ending injury.


To be fair, Matt hasn't beaten anything yet. He is right where he is supposed to be. We won't know if he's back until game time. TexansChick report are nice to hear & cause to be optimistic, but Demeco was in this same spot last season. We didn't understand the limits of his recovery until game day. Of course Cushing taking snaps @ Mike should have been a clue.

But we knew Schaub would eventually be healthy again. The question is (& always has been) how healthy?

EllisUnit
06-09-2012, 10:57 PM
To be fair, Matt hasn't beaten anything yet. He is right where he is supposed to be. We won't know if he's back until game time. TexansChick report are nice to hear & cause to be optimistic, but Demeco was in this same spot last season. We didn't understand the limits of his recovery until game day. Of course Cushing taking snaps @ Mike should have been a clue.

But we knew Schaub would eventually be healthy again. The question is (& always has been) how healthy?

Good news for us is shaub runs A LOT less than demeco did, and we dont depend to much on Schaubs feet. Its not like he is a vick type QB.

disaacks3
06-09-2012, 11:34 PM
I really hope my pessimism regarding Schaub's injury is overblown, but we won't know (unless he gets re-injured before then) until the season starts.

I'm glab he's moving fluidly and can handle basic agility drills, I'm just going to shudder the first time a lineman steps on his foot during a drop-back.

With a healthy Schaub (and if the right side of the line "gels"), the Texans are a contender for the big prize. Without him, they're a crapshoot.

Rey
06-10-2012, 01:09 AM
And that's why Dalton has NOT proven that he is a legitimate starting QB in the NFL. Nice 1st year, but far from a build around guy (or honestly even a schaub)

Who said that he's proven anything?

My point is that fans in cincy are excited about his future prospects and they expect him to be a good qb now and in the future.

Not even sure what your point is.

Premier
06-10-2012, 03:12 AM
Good news for us is shaub runs A LOT less than demeco did, and we dont depend to much on Schaubs feet. Its not like he is a vick type QB.

but for schaub its not about running around, its about him planting and pushing off his injured foot.. the health of his plant foot is just as important as the health of his shoulder/arm.. changes in his mechanics could effect his accuracy, any discomfort in his foot could effect his arm strength..

thunderkyss
06-10-2012, 07:59 AM
but for schaub its not about running around, its about him planting and pushing off his injured foot.. the health of his plant foot is just as important as the health of his shoulder/arm.. changes in his mechanics could effect his accuracy, any discomfort in his foot could effect his arm strength..

Yes, then you have to figure how worried will he be when he sees 1200lbs of DL ready to pounce on him. Is he going to stay in the pocket that nth second to deliver that perfect strike? Is he going to rush his throws, his reads?

Is he going to get even slower on turning around & getting set up on his bootlegs?

CloakNNNdagger
06-13-2012, 09:52 AM
Yes, then you have to figure how worried will he be when he sees 1200lbs of DL ready to pounce on him. Is he going to stay in the pocket that nth second to deliver that perfect strike? Is he going to rush his throws, his reads?

Is he going to get even slower on turning around & getting set up on his bootlegs?

Sounds like you're saying he could turn into DC II.:eek:

Ryan
06-13-2012, 12:23 PM
Can a QB really pick up those bad habits at his age? Simply a curious question because I have never seen that.

Marcus
06-13-2012, 12:32 PM
Can a QB really pick up those bad habits at his age? Simply a curious question because I have never seen that.

Only habits he might incur favoring a bum foot.

badboy
06-13-2012, 02:56 PM
Maybe there is some sort of air boot that offers a better ability for him to push off that foot?
If Schaub is healthy & has a Schaub like season 4k-4500 yds and injury bug flys away, we have a good shot at a SB.

welsh texan
06-13-2012, 03:44 PM
Maybe there is some sort of air boot that offers a better ability for him to push off that foot?
If Schaub is healthy & has a Schaub like season 4k-4500 yds and injury bug flys away, we have a good shot at a SB.

Personally, I think it relies on both Schaub and AJ being healthy all season long, and certainly not the AJ we had in the playoffs (great effort to get on the field, all credit for that, but he just wasn't match fit was he.)

If both those things happen, and I don't think they're certainties whatever the coaches are saying right now, then we're only a bit of luck away from being contenders.

beerlover
06-13-2012, 04:31 PM
Personally, I think it relies on both Schaub and AJ being healthy all season long, and certainly not the AJ we had in the playoffs (great effort to get on the field, all credit for that, but he just wasn't match fit was he.)

If both those things happen, and I don't think they're certainties whatever the coaches are saying right now, then we're only a bit of luck away from being contenders.

Close. The key thing is for Schaub & Andre to be healthy @ the right time ( playoffs).

ckhouston
06-13-2012, 07:06 PM
Maybe there is some sort of air boot that offers a better ability for him to push off that foot?
If Schaub is healthy & has a Schaub like season 4k-4500 yds and injury bug flys away, we have a good shot at a SB.

Trent Dilfer had 1500 yds and 12 tds the year the Ravens won the SB.

Run the ball and play good defense.

TEXANRED
06-13-2012, 07:13 PM
Maybe there is some sort of air boot that offers a better ability for him to push off that foot?
If Schaub is healthy & has a Schaub like season 4k-4500 yds and injury bug flys away, we have a good shot at a SB.

We have a shot at the Superbowl with Yates or Schaub at QB. The best defense in the league combined with the best running back and running back duo in the league.

infantrycak
06-13-2012, 07:36 PM
Trent Dilfer had 1500 yds and 12 tds the year the Ravens won the SB.

Run the ball and play good defense.

Trent Dilfer only started 8 games that year so putting up those stat totals without context is meaningless. Tony Banks had another 1600 yards passing.

CloakNNNdagger
06-13-2012, 07:37 PM
Maybe there is some sort of air boot that offers a better ability for him to push off that foot?
If Schaub is healthy & has a Schaub like season 4k-4500 yds and injury bug flys away, we have a good shot at a SB.

Upon return to play, what is usually recommended is that the athlete wear stiff-soled shoes with an orthosis. It can in itself somewhat hamper performance. An air boot would not only virtually destroy performance, but it would offer no protection while keeping weight on the foot............and it would look funny too.:)

badboy
06-13-2012, 07:51 PM
Upon return to play, what is usually recommended is that the athlete wear stiff-soled shoes with an orthosis. It can in itself somewhat hamper performance. An air boot would not only virtually destroy performance, but it would offer no protection while keeping weight on the foot............and it would look funny too.:)Good info, can you describe an orthosis?

thunderkyss
06-13-2012, 09:03 PM
Can a QB really pick up those bad habits at his age? Simply a curious question because I have never seen that.

Most people are fearless, until they have some fear knocked into them.

It's not that I think Schaub will develop poor habits, I just wonder if he'll be as fearless as he once was, or will he try to protect himself more.

Then there is the bootleg thing. It's just my opinion, but I think he takes an aweful long time to get around & set up to throw the ball. Again, my opinion, but I think Aj often out runs Matt's arm, because it takes him so long to get around.

If he's going to be slower than he's been in the past, we're in trouble.

CloakNNNdagger
06-13-2012, 09:08 PM
Good info, can you describe an orthosis?

I didn't mean to confuse you with the word "orthosis." It has come to be synonymous with "orthotic." It is any device that supports or corrects the function of a limb or the torso. It can refer to an knee brace, a body spica cast (for scoliosis), an functional insole (shoe insert), etc. In this case I was referring to the insole orthosis in addition to a stiff sole shoe.

There’s a significant difference between regular insoles that we are used to finding in stores like Walgreen's, Target and Academy, and insole orthoses (orthotics). Regular insoles are purely designed to provide a cushioning effect and shock absorption. They may feel comfortable at first, however they do not address any biomechanical problems, i.e. they are not designed to correct over-pronation. On the other hand, orthoses are functional devices, designed to correct and optimize our foot function. Some insoles also feature an arch support, however they tend to be mostly made of soft materials. As a result, the support they provide is often too weak to have any effect.

Foot orthoses do a lot more than support the arches. They actually realign the feet and ankles, and restore deficient foot function. In addition, they enable a more even weight distribution, taking pressure off sore spots (e.g. the heels, the ball of the foot, corns in between toes, and bunions). They also provide some degree of shock absorption, but this is not their main purpose. The main purpose of an orthosis insole is to improve foot function, in many cases reducing pain and preventing serious problems and re-injuries.

Texan_Bill
06-13-2012, 09:25 PM
I didn't mean to confuse you with the word "orthosis." It has come to be synonymous with "orthotic." It is any device that supports or corrects the function of a limb or the torso. It can refer to an knee brace, a body spica cast (for scoliosis), an functional insole (shoe insert), etc. In this case I was referring to the insole orthosis in addition to a stiff sole shoe.

There’s a significant difference between regular insoles that we are used to finding in stores like Walgreen's, Target and Academy, and insole orthoses (orthotics). Regular insoles are purely designed to provide a cushioning effect and shock absorption. They may feel comfortable at first, however they do not address any biomechanical problems, i.e. they are not designed to correct over-pronation. On the other hand, orthoses are functional devices, designed to correct and optimize our foot function. Some insoles also feature an arch support, however they tend to be mostly made of soft materials. As a result, the support they provide is often too weak to have any effect.

Foot orthoses do a lot more than support the arches. They actually realign the feet and ankles, and restore deficient foot function. In addition, they enable a more even weight distribution, taking pressure off sore spots (e.g. the heels, the ball of the foot, corns in between toes, and bunions). They also provide some degree of shock absorption, but this is not their main purpose. The main purpose of an orthosis insole is to improve foot function, in many cases reducing pain and preventing serious problems and re-injuries.

This is why I love you Doc Jean!!! You're able to explain very complex conditions and/or processes in such a way that a layman, (and also not the sharpest knife in the drawer.....me), understand what the hell we're talking about here!!!

Playoffs
06-19-2012, 03:40 PM
Schaub's absence hurting Texans' rookie receivers (http://www.profootballweekly.com/2012/06/18/schaubs-absence-hurting-texans-rookie-receivers)

Posted June 18, 2012 By PFW staff

Here are some Whispers we've been hearing from our sources around the NFL:

• If there were two Texans who could afford to miss most of offseason team activities while they rehab from injuries, they’re QB Matt Schaub and WR Andre Johnson. That’s the good news. But one adverse effect to keep in mind with Schaub being on the sideline is the impact it might have on an extremely young receiving corps. While players are getting extra reps because of Johnson’s absence, they have missed out on building a rapport with Schaub. One source indicated after Houston’s OTAs wrapped up that neither of the wide receivers the team selected in the draft, third-rounder DeVier Posey or fourth-rounder Keshawn Martin, had yet to jump out...

The Medic01
06-19-2012, 04:04 PM
Schaub's absence hurting Texans' rookie receivers (http://www.profootballweekly.com/2012/06/18/schaubs-absence-hurting-texans-rookie-receivers)

Posted June 18, 2012 By PFW staff

Here are some Whispers we've been hearing from our sources around the NFL:

• If there were two Texans who could afford to miss most of offseason team activities while they rehab from injuries, they’re QB Matt Schaub and WR Andre Johnson. That’s the good news. But one adverse effect to keep in mind with Schaub being on the sideline is the impact it might have on an extremely young receiving corps. While players are getting extra reps because of Johnson’s absence, they have missed out on building a rapport with Schaub. One source indicated after Houston’s OTAs wrapped up that neither of the wide receivers the team selected in the draft, third-rounder DeVier Posey or fourth-rounder Keshawn Martin, had yet to jump out...
Actually I have heard numerous reports that Martin has done very well.

The Medic01
06-19-2012, 04:13 PM
Schaub's absence hurting Texans' rookie receivers (http://www.profootballweekly.com/2012/06/18/schaubs-absence-hurting-texans-rookie-receivers)

Posted June 18, 2012 By PFW staff

Here are some Whispers we've been hearing from our sources around the NFL:

• If there were two Texans who could afford to miss most of offseason team activities while they rehab from injuries, they’re QB Matt Schaub and WR Andre Johnson. That’s the good news. But one adverse effect to keep in mind with Schaub being on the sideline is the impact it might have on an extremely young receiving corps. While players are getting extra reps because of Johnson’s absence, they have missed out on building a rapport with Schaub. One source indicated after Houston’s OTAs wrapped up that neither of the wide receivers the team selected in the draft, third-rounder DeVier Posey or fourth-rounder Keshawn Martin, had yet to jump out...

Also guys if you click on the link on the right side of the website is a video embedded and next to that is a poll to see which defense is the best in the league. Right now the freaking Seahawks are beating us in the first round poll. Please guys go vote for the rightful winner.

The Pencil Neck
06-19-2012, 04:15 PM
Actually I have heard numerous reports that Martin has done very well.

Yep, I've heard that, too.

badboy
06-19-2012, 04:20 PM
Also guys if you click on the link on the right side of the website is a video embedded and next to that is a poll to see which defense is the best in the league. Right now the freaking Seahawks are beating us in the first round poll. Please guys go vote for the rightful winner.

So me voting helps our defense play better? I have such a vital role on this team I cannot believe I ain't getting a paycheck. Where did I put Bob's cell #. PAY ME RICK!!

The Medic01
06-19-2012, 04:49 PM
So me voting helps our defense play better? I have such a vital role on this team I cannot believe I ain't getting a paycheck. Where did I put Bob's cell #. PAY ME RICK!!

:nolisten: I'm not listening, I'm not listening.