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Blake
04-13-2012, 03:35 PM
I have come to the conclusion that the Texans have 2 choices. Take Nick Perry @ 26, then trade up in the 2nd to snag whichever WR dropped out of the first round, or trade the house for Justin Blackmon.

Texans mimic last years Julio Jones trade up and swap with the St. Louis Rams who have already cashed in from the Washington Redskins.

Rams Get:
2012 Round 1: #26 overall.
2012 Round 2: #58 overall.
2012 Round 4: #121 overall.
2013 Round 1: #XX overall.

Texans Get:
2012 Round 1: #6 overall.

1.6) Justin Blackmon, WR, Oklahoma State
Blackmon has 3300 yards and 38 touchdowns on 233 catches over the past 2 seasons. Not to mention 2 Biletnikoff trophies. He will excel as WR#2 and fill in at WR#1 if AJ ever gets injured. I have been watching this guy make plays for 2 years and I would not flinch if this deal, or even a little more was made.



Texans still have picks in round 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7 this year.

kiwitexansfan
04-13-2012, 03:59 PM
Really?

TexCanada
04-13-2012, 04:02 PM
We have way too many holes to fill to give up picks IMO

Hardcore Texan
04-13-2012, 04:09 PM
No thanks. I love Blackmon, but no way I would do this.

Wolf6151
04-13-2012, 04:13 PM
In this scenario I'd stay put and take Nick Perry at #26. Blackmon is the best receiver this year but he's not Julio Jones, who I think is a much better WR, and not worth giving up all those picks.

ChampionTexan
04-13-2012, 04:14 PM
I wouldn't have done it for Julio Jones if I were the Falcons, and while Blackmon's the best WR in this year's draft class, I think Jones was and is a better prospect.

IDEXAN
04-13-2012, 04:17 PM
I wouldn't have done it for Julio Jones if I were the Falcons
Same here. The only player I'd give up that many high picks for would be a QB.

ckhouston
04-13-2012, 04:18 PM
That would be real nice ... except we arent a passing offense.

NitroGSXR
04-13-2012, 04:24 PM
I have come to the conclusion that the Texans have 2 choices. Take Nick Perry @ 26, then trade up in the 2nd to snag whichever WR dropped out of the first round, or trade the house for Justin Blackmon.

Texans mimic last years Julio Jones trade up and swap with the St. Louis Rams who have already cashed in from the Washington Redskins.

Rams Get:
2012 Round 1: #26 overall.
2012 Round 2: #58 overall.
2012 Round 4: #121 overall.
2013 Round 1: #XX overall.

Texans Get:
2012 Round 1: #6 overall.

1.6) Justin Blackmon, WR, Oklahoma State
Blackmon has 3300 yards and 38 touchdowns on 233 catches over the past 2 seasons. Not to mention 2 Biletnikoff trophies. He will excel as WR#2 and fill in at WR#1 if AJ ever gets injured. I have been watching this guy make plays for 2 years and I would not flinch if this deal, or even a little more was made.



Texans still have picks in round 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7 this year.

Why I outta kick yer azz!! I thought we actually traded up. Lol.

Dutchrudder
04-13-2012, 04:29 PM
Same here. The only player I'd give up that many high picks for would be a QB.

Yeah, we should do this, but instead take Tannehill.

:kitten:

Playoffs
04-13-2012, 05:06 PM
No. Silly.

Blackmon can't touch Julio Jones or AJ Green.

badboy
04-13-2012, 05:22 PM
I have come to the conclusion that the Texans have 2 choices. Take Nick Perry @ 26, then trade up in the 2nd to snag whichever WR dropped out of the first round, or trade the house for Justin Blackmon.

Texans mimic last years Julio Jones trade up and swap with the St. Louis Rams who have already cashed in from the Washington Redskins.

Rams Get:
2012 Round 1: #26 overall.
2012 Round 2: #58 overall.
2012 Round 4: #121 overall.
2013 Round 1: #XX overall.

Texans Get:
2012 Round 1: #6 overall.

1.6) Justin Blackmon, WR, Oklahoma State
Blackmon has 3300 yards and 38 touchdowns on 233 catches over the past 2 seasons. Not to mention 2 Biletnikoff trophies. He will excel as WR#2 and fill in at WR#1 if AJ ever gets injured. I have been watching this guy make plays for 2 years and I would not flinch if this deal, or even a little more was made.



Texans still have picks in round 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7 this year.Absolutely no way nor do I want an OLB in first. We need a starter and a hole filler like Fleener who can play TE and WR. If I were Rams I'd laugh at that offer for #6 as picks too low in each round.

gg no re
04-13-2012, 07:22 PM
The title of the thread gave me a heart attack.

Lucky
04-13-2012, 07:30 PM
I wouldn't have done it for Julio Jones if I were the Falcons...
While Jones proved to be a very good WR, and should get better, the trade did nothing for the Falcons. They could have taken Torrey Smith (who had similar production) and still be able to get help for their offensive or defensive line in this draft.

Only QBs are worth trading future picks for. And even then, you've got to be sure and a little lucky. No way do the Texans trade their draft for a WR.

Brisco_County
04-13-2012, 09:18 PM
I say we trade all those picks for Tannehill, pick up Vince Young, trade Schaub and Andre for RG3, and rotate all three QB's to get a lock on the Big 12 South market.

Or we can take Perry at #26.

Texecutioner
04-13-2012, 09:30 PM
While Jones proved to be a very good WR, and should get better, the trade did nothing for the Falcons. They could have taken Torrey Smith (who had similar production) and still be able to get help for their offensive or defensive line in this draft.

Only QBs are worth trading future picks for. And even then, you've got to be sure and a little lucky. No way do the Texans trade their draft for a WR.

The Texans aren't aggressive like this any way. You're right that they would never do this for a WR or even a QB for that matter. They're a play it safe organization.

badboy
04-13-2012, 09:32 PM
I say we trade all those picks for Tannehill, pick up Vince Young, trade Schaub and Andre for RG3, and rotate all three QB's to get a lock on the Big 12 South market.

Or we can take Perry at #26.All right! Uh wait who we gonna throw the ball to? No AJ, OD and Walter will be triple teamed as no one else can catch. We will be a running team for sure but then we will not need a passing QB so I guess 3 will be the Running Man.

beerlover
04-13-2012, 09:48 PM
While Jones proved to be a very good WR, and should get better, the trade did nothing for the Falcons. They could have taken Torrey Smith (who had similar production) and still be able to get help for their offensive or defensive line in this draft.

Only QBs are worth trading future picks for. And even then, you've got to be sure and a little lucky. No way do the Texans trade their draft for a WR.

While I agree with you that trading for Julio didn't net return expected it's just one year, rookie year in fact. This was a long term deal to ensure Matt Ryan had a premium WR & Roddy White good as he is, like Andre, will naturally decline with age.

Doppelganger
04-13-2012, 09:55 PM
While I agree with you that trading for Julio didn't net return expected it's just one year, rookie year in fact. This was a long term deal to ensure Matt Ryan had a premium WR & Roddy White good as he is, like Andre, will naturally decline with age.

But atl gave up way too much. Torey smith was just as good and could have been had at atl's pick.

#6: Cleveland → Atlanta. (D) Cleveland traded this pick to Atlanta for Atlanta's first (27th overall, which later became #26), second (59th) and fourth-rounder (124th) and also Atlanta's first- and fourth-round selections in 2012.

Way too much.

badboy
04-13-2012, 10:16 PM
But atl gave up way too much. Torey smith was just as good and could have been had at atl's pick.

#6: Cleveland → Atlanta. (D) Cleveland traded this pick to Atlanta for Atlanta's first (27th overall, which later became #26), second (59th) and fourth-rounder (124th) and also Atlanta's first- and fourth-round selections in 2012.

Way too much.ATL gave up too much for Jones imo but no way will Torey SMith have same career as Julio. Let's give both another two years.

Doppelganger
04-13-2012, 10:46 PM
ATL gave up too much for Jones imo but no way will Torey SMith have same career as Julio. Let's give both another two years.

I don't know. Torrey smith looked real good a last year. But, you are right, we need to give them both a couple of years rather than jump to conclusions.

Brisco_County
04-13-2012, 11:00 PM
All right! Uh wait who we gonna throw the ball to? No AJ, OD and Walter will be triple teamed as no one else can catch. We will be a running team for sure but then we will not need a passing QB so I guess 3 will be the Running Man.

All three QB's are mobile. They will run five yards on 50% of all plays, forcing the safety to come up and leave a guy open. With three QB's, we can sustain the injuries.

steelbtexan
04-13-2012, 11:02 PM
In this scenario I'd stay put and take Nick Perry at #26. Blackmon is the best receiver this year but he's not Julio Jones, who I think is a much better WR, and not worth giving up all those picks.

^^^^
This

The Texans have to figure out Schaub's health before they start making moves like this.

I would like Rick/Gary to consider trading ug to 15 if an impact player like DeCastro or Floyd falls.

beerlover
04-14-2012, 12:35 AM
But atl gave up way too much. Torey smith was just as good and could have been had at atl's pick.

#6: Cleveland → Atlanta. (D) Cleveland traded this pick to Atlanta for Atlanta's first (27th overall, which later became #26), second (59th) and fourth-rounder (124th) and also Atlanta's first- and fourth-round selections in 2012.

Way too much.

Julio Jones was an ascending player who blew up the combine, he had one of the most impressive workouts I've ever seen across spectrum of tests. He was also considered top 10 talent, much like Blackmon so Atlanta moved up to secure him #6 overall. Torrey Smith was rated #38 prospect & slid a bit to #58 something I hope that Brian Quick will do for the Texans this year.

Jones was hampered by injury's & missed valueable game time off & on never quite getting rounded into form until end of the season. In the last four games Julio scored 6 TD's, 20 receptions almost 400 yards & 20 yard per catch average. Torrey Smith actually did the reverse, hit the rookie wall & began to decline towards end of season. His last four games produced only 2 TD's, 18 receptions for almost 200 yards almost half the average yards per catch & one third the red zone threat.

So before anybody calls out Atlanta, saying "they gave up too much" or that Torrey Smith is "just as good" that would be a misconception, these are valid points to consider. Jones showed his potential, I expect him to become a dominant WR in this league, his adjustment period looks over to me & Falcons will start reaping results of that draft day decision. If the Texans could trade up to 6th spot & give up similar package I wouldn't hesitate to make that call :phone:

ArlingtonTexan
04-14-2012, 09:08 AM
It really does not matter that Jones is a better player than Torrey smith, it matters if the Falcons are better with a potential superstar WR or just a solid deep threat with 3 or 4 good players across the depth chart.

If the continue to win and be a playoff team with a high quality ofense, then the trade worked. If they fall off because they are weaker in other spots then no. Lots of gray area and things beyong their control the confused the issue more.

GlassHalfFull
04-14-2012, 09:11 AM
The title of the thread gave me a heart attack.

I agree.

Boo on the title.

Please make it obvious you are pulling stuff out your ass, not stating a real event.

Blake
04-14-2012, 09:15 AM
Sorry if the title gave anyone a heart attack. Don't kick my ass!

I simply think Blackmon is an elite player at a huge position of need for us. If you don't think we need a serious upgrade at WR after seeing AJ go down last year then I don't know what to say. Blackmon has been tearing up the NCAA for 2 years now and has very little baggage. Some say he is not as good as Dez, but I think Blackmon is better and not a retard.

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rmartin65
04-14-2012, 09:15 AM
Nope. Deep draft, not worth trading up for one player, especially Blackmon, who is a lot of hype.

Blake
04-14-2012, 09:16 AM
I agree.

Boo on the title.

Please make it obvious you are pulling stuff out your ass, not stating a real event.

Easy there big fella. I am in the mock draft arena after all.

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Blake
04-14-2012, 09:16 AM
Nope. Deep draft, not worth trading up for one player, especially Blackmon, who is a lot of hype.

How is he hype?

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rmartin65
04-14-2012, 09:19 AM
How is he hype?

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He is average sized, not overly fast, strong or explosive. I see a solid pro receiver, and if he dropped to 26 I would take him, but I am not mortgaging the future for someone who wont be a star.

Texan4Ever
04-14-2012, 09:33 AM
Why I outta kick yer azz!! I thought we actually traded up. Lol.

You're not the only one! BTW, how does Blackmon stack up against Dez Bryant? IMO, Bryant seemed like a better pro prospect than Blackmon regardless of what the stats say.

IDEXAN
04-14-2012, 09:59 AM
I say trade position for quantity since the Draft is such a crap-shoot and the more darts one throws at the Board the more likely to hit a bullseye.

BattleRedRock
04-14-2012, 10:12 AM
In this scenario I'd stay put and take Nick Perry at #26. Blackmon is the best receiver this year but he's not Julio Jones, who I think is a much better WR, and not worth giving up all those picks.

Well said bro.. I love Perry, ive been saying that all a long. all the draft gurus have been saying this and that and im thinking to myself ok all these guys have been said but we know Gary and the coaches love high motor guys and Perry definitely fits that description. hed be perfect to move outside and maybe you could move Reed to RILB instead of Sharp. As for 2nd rd, I keep hearing that Randle from LSU might fall to mid to late 2ND so there you go thats our top 2 problems with very solid players.

WolverineFan
04-14-2012, 10:27 AM
Sorry if the title gave anyone a heart attack. Don't kick my ass!

I simply think Blackmon is an elite player at a huge position of need for us. If you don't think we need a serious upgrade at WR after seeing AJ go down last year then I don't know what to say. Blackmon has been tearing up the NCAA for 2 years now and has very little baggage. Some say he is not as good as Dez, but I think Blackmon is better and not a retard.

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Blackmon is definitely more intelligent than Dez but he doesn't have the same physical talent. I don't see him as an elite player though. I would take Floyd over him, but that's just me.

ChampionTexan
04-14-2012, 10:32 AM
If the continue to win and be a playoff team with a high quality ofense, then the trade worked. If they fall off because they are weaker in other spots then no. Lots of gray area and things beyong their control the confused the issue more.

Well, Atlanta made the playoffs two out of the three seasons prior to drafting Jones (including being the #1 seed in the NFC in 2010). Atlanta won zero playoff games during those three years. Last year, Atlanta made the playoffs, and again won zero playoff games.

I think winning in the playoffs on a regular basis is required in order for this trade to be deemed a success. Anything less is no improvement on the years immediately preceding the 2011 draft.

beerlover
04-14-2012, 11:24 AM
It really does not matter that Jones is a better player than Torrey smith, it matters if the Falcons are better with a potential superstar WR or just a solid deep threat with 3 or 4 good players across the depth chart.

If the continue to win and be a playoff team with a high quality ofense, then the trade worked. If they fall off because they are weaker in other spots then no. Lots of gray area and things beyong their control the confused the issue more.

Right, but my statement is based on player projection not as much strategy. Who is to say those later round picks ever amount to anything, why not take a sure thing @ position of need?

In five years Andre Johnson will be out of the NFL while Julio or Blackmon will replace him as the premier WR's in the league.

Wolf6151
04-14-2012, 03:28 PM
How is he hype?

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Blackmon is hype because he's the best WR this year. All upper 1st round picks get hyped naturally because of where they're being picked, the upper picks are the sexy thing to talk about. Every time I tune in ESPN they're always talking/hyping 1st round picks as if the 1st round were the only round of the draft. He's elite talent for this year but not for the NFL. He's not Chad Johnson, Julio Jones, AJ, Larry Fitzgerald, etc... This draft is very deep at WR but lacks elite level talent, the same can be said for the draft as a whole, deep/good at many positions but not much elite level talent.

Texecutioner
04-14-2012, 06:06 PM
Blackmon is hype because he's the best WR this year. All upper 1st round picks get hyped naturally because of where they're being picked, the upper picks are the sexy thing to talk about. Every time I tune in ESPN they're always talking/hyping 1st round picks as if the 1st round were the only round of the draft. He's elite talent for this year but not for the NFL. He's not Chad Johnson, Julio Jones, AJ, Larry Fitzgerald, etc... This draft is very deep at WR but lacks elite level talent, the same can be said for the draft as a whole, deep/good at many positions but not much elite level talent.

The way you question Blackmon's skills, I'd have to ask if you've ever watched the guy. He is certainly elite level talent. He is huge, he has great balance after the catch to be able to take off down the field, and he has all of the intangibles you look for in a WR that you could expect to be elite one day or really good. The only knock you could have on him is his speed, but we've seen tons of WR's that lack top end speed. Larry Fitzgerald is one of them.

beerlover
04-14-2012, 07:58 PM
Calvin Johnson was the highest rated WR I've ever seen. He was graded out 9.78.

Last Year AJ Green 9.65 & Julio Jones 9.62.

This year Justin Blackmon 9.69. He is considered elite.

ChampionTexan
04-14-2012, 08:28 PM
Calvin Johnson was the highest rated WR I've ever seen. He was graded out 9.78.

Last Year AJ Green 9.65 & Julio Jones 9.62.

This year Justin Blackmon 9.69. He is considered elite.

He is considered elite by whoever did that rating. It would be nice if it really were all objective and stuff, but while it is virtually universal that he's the top ranked WR in this draft class, I don't think you can say the same thing about his eliteness.

Justin Blackmon is widely considered the best receiver in this month's draft, but the jury is out on whether he's an elite player.

When Rob Rang of CBS Sports polled three NFL teams Friday night, all agreed that two quarterbacks, one offensive tackle, one running back and one cornerback classified as "elite" players in this draft. Presumably that includes Andrew Luck, Robert Griffin III, Trent Richardson, Matt Kalil and Morris Claiborne.

None of the teams were willing to make the "elite" claim for Blackmon.

LINK (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82850d8c/article/is-justin-blackmon-an-elite-wr-prospect)

beerlover
04-14-2012, 08:29 PM
He is considered elite by whoever did that rating. It would be nice if really were all objective and stuff, but while it is virtually universal that he's the top ranked WR in this draft class, I don't think you can say the same thing about his eliteness.


ourlads

ChampionTexan
04-14-2012, 08:32 PM
ourlads

I never questioned that it existed - I just questioned it being the absolute unequivocal answer to the question.

badboy
04-14-2012, 08:47 PM
All three QB's are mobile. They will run five yards on 50% of all plays, forcing the safety to come up and leave a guy open. With three QB's, we can sustain the injuries.No, not when the DC knows no one can catch a pass and either the RB gets it or QB rushes. What WR will focus defense on him now that AJ has been traded and away fron the other side?

badboy
04-14-2012, 08:52 PM
Nope. Deep draft, not worth trading up for one player, especially Blackmon, who is a lot of hype.Seems to me Blackmon is sliding a bit. He will still go top 12 but maybe not as high as many thought.

beerlover
04-14-2012, 08:54 PM
I never questioned that it existed - I just questioned it being the absolute unequivocal answer to the question.

it is, absolute.

Dutchrudder
04-15-2012, 12:05 AM
No, not when the DC knows no one can catch a pass and either the RB gets it or QB rushes. What WR will focus defense on him now that AJ has been traded and away fron the other side?

Tannehill played WR for a while in college, and he had good hands. He would be an interesting wildcat QB.

Wolf6151
04-15-2012, 12:40 AM
The way you question Blackmon's skills, I'd have to ask if you've ever watched the guy. He is certainly elite level talent. He is huge, he has great balance after the catch to be able to take off down the field, and he has all of the intangibles you look for in a WR that you could expect to be elite one day or really good. The only knock you could have on him is his speed, but we've seen tons of WR's that lack top end speed. Larry Fitzgerald is one of them.

Yes I've seen him play. He's very good and certainly the best WR their is this year but I only see 5 elite players in this draft. Luck, RGIII, Kalil, Richardson, and Claiborne (questionable). I think Blackmon will be a success in the NFL but will never be an All Pro.

aussie_texan
04-15-2012, 01:01 AM
the only player i would trade up to get is Floyd! and only if his around the late teens like 17-19.
his my number one...yes above blackmon.

Wolf6151
04-15-2012, 01:29 AM
the only player i would trade up to get is Floyd! and only if his around the late teens like 17-19.
his my number one...yes above blackmon.

I agree. I like Floyd over all the others as well. The size, speed, hands, combo would be very tempting if he fell to 19-20ish.

beerlover
04-15-2012, 05:32 AM
Floyd gets a real high grade as well, 9.57. A sure fire top 20 pick probably top 15. A lot of you guys reasoning is based more on the fact there is an outside chance, Texans could move up enough to select him & that is why y'all have convinced yourself Floyd is a better prospect.

It would be a slightly less costly deal to move up with say Philadelphia if he slides to #15. Rick Smith has already done the DeMeco deal with them so they might be tempted to want those picks back? Basically, to swap first round picks & move up from #26 to #15 Rick Smith would have to give Eagles back their 3rd #76 + 4th #99 round picks.

Eagles were semi-loaded with picks before trading to address MLB, by trading down they have addressed this need & retained those picks for dropping 11 spots in the first round. I project them to be selecting an OL anyway, so there is better value, less cost @ #26 for them & one of these two might be available, Jonathan Martin or Mike Adams.

Kinda hurts Texans draft despite grabbing Floyd. Texans would have only a late pick in every round & no third. However the idea is the same, to address WR with a legitimate, proven talent ready to contribute immediately.

aussie_texan
04-15-2012, 10:02 AM
Floyd gets a real high grade as well, 9.57. A sure fire top 20 pick probably top 15. A lot of you guys reasoning is based more on the fact there is an outside chance, Texans could move up enough to select him & that is why y'all have convinced yourself Floyd is a better prospect.

It would be a slightly less costly deal to move up with say Philadelphia if he slides to #15. Rick Smith has already done the DeMeco deal with them so they might be tempted to want those picks back? Basically, to swap first round picks & move up from #26 to #15 Rick Smith would have to give Eagles back their 3rd #76 + 4th #99 round picks.

Eagles were semi-loaded with picks before trading to address MLB, by trading down they have addressed this need & retained those picks for dropping 11 spots in the first round. I project them to be selecting an OL anyway, so there is better value, less cost @ #26 for them & one of these two might be available, Jonathan Martin or Mike Adams.

Kinda hurts Texans draft despite grabbing Floyd. Texans would have only a late pick in every round & no third. However the idea is the same, to address WR with a legitimate, proven talent ready to contribute immediately.

im not one of these people.
i have been following him for 2 seasons at ND and for me his just that good.
He projects best to the NFL, i have never seen him drop a catch, his route running is stellar (admittedly his a little sluggish in break in and out but thats normal for a guy his size) and he has great measurables. Im not at all worried about his off field troubles.
He can makes plays after the catch.
His not projected to be c.johnson or larry fitz but his an AJ type receiver.
case in point his a BEAST!

The Pencil Neck
04-15-2012, 12:28 PM
I would hate that trade.

I don't think the Falcons got better making their trade like that although we'll have to see where it stands in a couple of years.

But I don't want to do this.

beerlover
04-15-2012, 12:54 PM
per Greg Cosell-
TE Coby Fleener, Stanford: "When I watched [Stanford's] offense, and it was a very condensed offense, they were asking [Fleener] to run a number of routes. He ran a pretty significant route tree. He ran a stick-nod-go, which is a vertical route. You see him run across the field on crossers, which have a vertical element. He ran a lot of shorter routes as well, because there were a lot of three- and five-step drops in that offense. But I think Fleener comes into the NFL with an understanding of a fairly complete route tree, and NFL passing game concepts, and the ability to stretch a defense."
I feel Kubiak would love to integrate Coby into the Texans offense immediately.

Blake
04-15-2012, 02:00 PM
Blackmon is hype because he's the best WR this year. All upper 1st round picks get hyped naturally because of where they're being picked, the upper picks are the sexy thing to talk about. Every time I tune in ESPN they're always talking/hyping 1st round picks as if the 1st round were the only round of the draft. He's elite talent for this year but not for the NFL. He's not Chad Johnson, Julio Jones, AJ, Larry Fitzgerald, etc... This draft is very deep at WR but lacks elite level talent, the same can be said for the draft as a whole, deep/good at many positions but not much elite level talent.

All the dudes you listed were taken #2 or 3 overall except Julio. Not sure why you are comparing Blackmon to them when he wouldn't be taken until #6 in my scenario.

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TimeKiller
04-16-2012, 01:37 PM
I think I'd rather stand pat and pick up Fleener as a mega-WR/hybrid TE or simply give up the 1st and probably a 2nd to snag Floyd who is 1b to Blackmon's 1a as far as 2012 prospects go.

I think giving up future 1st round picks is foolish, like running up a debt on a credit card...I can't think of any player I would do this for, maybe Aaron Rodgers. Maybe. I think that's an easy way to handcuff a franchise. Future 3rds...whatever. Future 1sts may as well be my first born son, no dice on any account.