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Betro
05-11-2005, 06:50 PM
I just saw on ESPN that the Texans signed tackle Victor Riley to a 1 year deal. I'm going to look for a link.

D-ReK
05-11-2005, 06:51 PM
Texans | Riley Signed - from www.KFFL.com
Wed, 11 May 2005 15:37:04 -0700

ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli reports the Houston Texans have signed free agent OT Victor Riley (Saints) to a one-year contract. Complete financial details were not available, but it is believed Riley can earn about $1 million if he plays regularly. Riley will be given the opportunity to win the starting left tackle job with the Texans.

Betro
05-11-2005, 06:54 PM
Thank you! He played Right Tackle for the Saints. Does anybody know if he has ever played LT?

TEXANS84
05-11-2005, 06:59 PM
Hmmm...interesting. Anyone got any info in reguards to his playing ability?

Vinny
05-11-2005, 06:59 PM
Looks like he is the 2005 version of Marcus Spears (Spears replacement), also he's really large @ 6'5 340. Looks like he started 15 games last year. I haven't paid much attention to him myself.

GAMES PLAYED
Year Team G GS
1998 Kansas City Chiefs 16 15
1999 Kansas City Chiefs 16 16
2000 Kansas City Chiefs 16 16
2001 Kansas City Chiefs 7 5
2002 New Orleans Saints 14 2
2003 New Orleans Saints 16 16
2004 New Orleans Saints 16 15
TOTAL 101 85

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/12651

Texans Pride
05-11-2005, 07:01 PM
Who is this guy? Any good, anyone know anything about him?

keyfro
05-11-2005, 07:11 PM
from what i've seen he was one of the better OT's in the game about five years ago...he is aging...but what he brings is a quality depth guy who can challenge wand for the starting LT job...i do not see him winning that job though...it's good to see the texans bring him in...he was the highest rated RT left on the free agent market...he's played in the league for a long time...he knows how to play the position really well...what i'm glad to see is that we are bringing in these veteran tackles that can help mentor our young o-lineman...guys like marcus spears, and victor riley are highly respected around the league because they are team players...they work hard and they know what it takes to make it in the league for a long time...i think seth wand would be wise to learn all he can from riley

D-ReK
05-11-2005, 07:11 PM
From his NewOrleansSaints.Com (http://www.neworleanssaints.com/playerbio.cfm?playerid=100) profile...

Entering his third year in New Orleans, Riley is established as a key member of the club's offensive front. The seventh-year veteran started all 16 games at right tackle in 2003, contributing to the offense with his superb drive blocking. Riley was a starter from 1998-2001 for the Kansas City Chiefs. Started two games and appeared in 14 contests in 2002, contributing to the Saints offense with his superb drive blocking while also seeing extended action on special teams. He was initially tabbed to work at left tackle for Kansas City when Riley was drafted in 1998, but was thrust into the starting lineup at right tackle in just his second NFL contest. He quickly proved he could perform at a high level and proceeded to start the Chiefs' final 15 games at right tackle. He did not leave the opening lineup until suffering a broken leg five games into the 2001 season.

Seems to me that he'll be a back-up that will provide decent insurance if Wand or Wade were to go down...I'm not sure of his pass blocking ability, but it looks like he's a good run blocker...

beerlover
05-11-2005, 07:12 PM
1998 1st rd pick of the Kansas City with the 27th overall selection out of Auburn. never panned out, has moved around the league and suffered a major leg break in 01 I believe?

wags
05-11-2005, 07:13 PM
I know he was good enough for the Saints to draft Jamaal Brown. :whistle:

Vinny
05-11-2005, 07:33 PM
Ex-Chief Riley pleads guilty to assault charge

The Kansas City Star

Former Chiefs tackle Victor Riley pleaded guilty Friday to assaulting his wife during a 2001 domestic disturbance.

Riley, who played last season for the New Orleans Saints, had reached a diversion agreement with Johnson County prosecutors after the 2001 incident in Overland Park.

But he was charged last November with driving while intoxicated, and Johnson County prosecutors moved to revoke the diversion agreement.

Riley appeared in court Friday with his attorney, Kevin Regan, and agreed that he had violated the conditions of diversion.

He pleaded guilty to one count of aggravated assault for ramming his car into another car occupied by his wife and infant daughter.

District Judge Pro-tem Frank Gilman accepted the plea and found Riley guilty of the felony charge. Gilman scheduled sentencing for July 3.

Riley, 28, will receive probation under terms of the plea agreement, but he will be required to serve two weeks of shock time in jail.


http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/sports/football/nfl/kansas_city_chiefs/5932627.htm

Grid
05-11-2005, 08:20 PM
Sounds like a winner.


Hopefully there is more to that story..

I would like to say "At least he wasnt actually BEATING his wife.. since that would be worse than wrecking your car into hers, IMO"

but the fact that his infant daughter was in the car with his wife just makes me mad.

LikeABoss
05-11-2005, 08:26 PM
I believe he led all offensive lineman in false start penalties last year. His false start penalties were in the double digits. He's a great run blocking tackle, but he got Aaron Brooks killed last year also including all of his false start penalties which took the Saints even further out of 1st down range. He also got beat up by Saints defensive rookie Will Smith. I don't think he'll beat out Seth Wand, but he should bring depth to the offensive line.

royce1054
05-11-2005, 09:52 PM
Texans | Riley Signed - from www.KFFL.com
Wed, 11 May 2005 15:37:04 -0700

ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli reports the Houston Texans have signed free agent OT Victor Riley (Saints) to a one-year contract. Complete financial details were not available, but it is believed Riley can earn about $1 million if he plays regularly. Riley will be given the opportunity to win the starting left tackle job with the Texans.
any one have any info on him other than he has played for the Saints

vtech9
05-11-2005, 10:49 PM
What are the odds that he doesn't make the final roster? I think he was brought in to compete with Wade and Wand, but if he can't win the starters spot, I think he will be released in the final round of cuts. JMO

texasguy346
05-11-2005, 10:54 PM
I think Vinny hit the nail on the head when he said that Riley is more likely to fill Spears' role this season. He might be able to play RG if he's pressed into action due to injury, but I think he's got a legitimate shot at making the roster. I doubt he'll be the starter though.

ojthecat
05-11-2005, 11:06 PM
I think Vinny hit the nail on the head when he said that Riley is more likely to fill Spears' role this season. He might be able to play RG if he's pressed into action due to injury, but I think he's got a legitimate shot at making the roster. I doubt he'll be the starter though.


Hey guys Victor Riley is a stud. He has size, power he is a great run blocker. He will make the team and probably be a starter somewhere on the line. Capers likes to run the ball and Victor Riley is his type of blocker. I would say he is the best FA OL availible. I am stoked that we got him. This tells me that we are gearing up for a major push towards the playoffs. :coolb: :bguitar: :bouncey: :piano:

edo783
05-11-2005, 11:15 PM
Looks like backup O-line depth to me. Not a bad idea all told.

Wolf
05-11-2005, 11:15 PM
competition is a good thing

F-minus67
05-11-2005, 11:23 PM
Hopefully with all this depth we won't have a repeat of last season. :brickwall

Ibar_Harry
05-12-2005, 03:06 AM
Texans - WE are going to get protection for David - What a joke. I hope some of the young guys we drafted or picked up prove to be better than we hoped. But knowing Capers - it will be run, run, run, run - woops he forgot it was 4th down, he must have missed it on his chart.

Tailgate
05-12-2005, 10:06 AM
Texans - WE are going to get protection for David - What a joke. I hope some of the young guys we drafted or picked up prove to be better than we hoped. But knowing Capers - it will be run, run, run, run - woops he forgot it was 4th down, he must have missed it on his chart.

Damn you are negative. What have the Texans EVER done besides improve EVERY year?

F-minus67
05-12-2005, 10:42 AM
I hear that Riley was told that he would be given the chance to play LT, Does anyone else think that he can do it? In a zone blocking scheme you have to create speration and at 6'5" 340lbs it seems that he can do that.

ccdude730
05-12-2005, 10:53 AM
Damn you are negative. What have the Texans EVER done besides improve EVERY year?

that was ibar talking.....enough said

threetoedpete
05-12-2005, 11:39 AM
What are the odds that he doesn't make the final roster? I think he was brought in to compete with Wade and Wand, but if he can't win the starters spot, I think he will be released in the final round of cuts. JMO

Agreed: Looking forward to the day we spend a day one pick on a Victor Riley type. Thought Milford & Fred were those guys ? That will mean the franchise has turned a corner and become one of the elite teams. Looks like Spit and Bailing wire to me. He was a great player for the saints. Like the move though. Shows The Franchise a little luv anyway.

hadaad
05-12-2005, 11:54 AM
To read the initial report, it sounds like Crash Riley will have escalators in his contract, depending on playing time. If that's the case, there's no benefit to releasing him if he can't win a starting job, because he's probably better than anyone we have for depth (at tackle at least).

On the subject of Offensive Line, will Todd Washington ever crack the starting lineup, or is he just not good enough? They extended him last year, if I recall correctly, so they must have seen SOMETHING they liked. And they didn't go for offensive line until later on in the draft, so there must be something they're confident in, in the interior line.

Nawzer
05-12-2005, 12:07 PM
Looks like they are sending a message to Seth Wand and the rest of the offensive line. If Wand's play doesn't improve this year I think it's safe to say that he's not going to be starting beyond next year.

Ibar_Harry
05-12-2005, 12:09 PM
Damn you are negative. What have the Texans EVER done besides improve EVERY year?

Actuallly if you read some of my posts you will see I'm optomistic in some areas, but not others. I believe management and McNair made a promise to the fans to do what was necessary to protect David from the on slaughts he has suffered the last three years. We continue to draft potential receivers, but do not improve the O-line which is so necessary to give David time to find those receivers and give them a chance to get open. Are Capers and Casserly resonably good at picking sleepers, I think the answer is yes. Is Capers reasonably good at designing Defensive Schemes, I think the answer is yes. But when it comes to game management and players and handling the offense he gets a big NO. I'm tired as a fan of seeing David lying on his back and the coaches saying we will get better at protecting David when most of the O-line talent - questionable - they have signed are efficient in run blocking but not pass protection. I'm not saying we shouldn't run the ball, but we should be just as good at either one. We need to be able to run the ball effectively and we need to be able to pass the ball effectively whichever is required. That means are O-line must be able to run block and pass block. We need to be able to create a pocket for the passer. How many years does it take to figure that out?

Tom A Hawk
05-12-2005, 12:35 PM
Hmmm...interesting. Anyone got any info in reguards to his playing ability?

He played o.k. for the Chiefs......but was easily expendable, given the O line the Chief have. He would be a rotational player I think.

threetoedpete
05-12-2005, 12:47 PM
Actuallly if you read some of my posts you will see I'm optomistic in some areas, but not others. I believe management and McNair made a promise to the fans to do what was necessary to protect David from the on slaughts he has suffered the last three years. We continue to draft potential receivers, but do not improve the O-line which is so necessary to give David time to find those receivers and give them a chance to get open. Are Capers and Casserly resonably good at picking sleepers, I think the answer is yes. Is Capers reasonably good at designing Defensive Schemes, I think the answer is yes. But when it comes to game management and players and handling the offense he gets a big NO. I'm tired as a fan of seeing David lying on his back and the coaches saying we will get better at protecting David when most of the O-line talent - questionable - they have signed are efficient in run blocking but not pass protection. I'm not saying we shouldn't run the ball, but we should be just as good at either one. We need to be able to run the ball effectively and we need to be able to pass the ball effectively whichever is required. That means are O-line must be able to run block and pass block. We need to be able to create a pocket for the passer. How many years does it take to figure that out?


All I know if the rushing game i.e. play atcion pass is not effective enough to get the ball deep once a quarter
to the outside guys i.e. AJ, then this offense is a failure.
six
td's for AJ in the season is beyond pathetic. I'm not an NFL guy and I could double that. We can't attack the outside, we can't or won't attack over the top, and we get stuffed too much on short yardage situations. Cleveland just released there d-line. Greenbay is a ptifull defense. They just dumped the D-coordinator, in both of those games last year the o-line got punked. Know what I mean by punked ? Some of the young guys, Brown, Washington, and Weary need to
fish or cut bait. Some of those guys we paid a Charles Bentley price for and got a back ups production from. Someone neeeds to be held accountable for that. However evaluated them was obviosly wrong. We don't run screeens, traps, or counters. We run two off tackles and dink and dunk for a chance to move the cains. Or try to fool 'em with a draw. Or we do try to go down the feild on third down and Carr scrambles for a first. We are running a zone blocking scheme with guys who are primarly run blockers. Pitts was one of the speedier lineman when he came out. You can count on your hand the number of times they released the guy to block someone in space. If we are going to be the old Washington Redskins, put in the counter, throw deep. I guess basically what I'm saying is that the offense as it stands now has no identity. If we can make Cleveland and Green Bay d's last year look like juggernauts, something is radically wrong. They've bet the farm on this group of guys. One way or 'nother the misery will end this season. I said all off season one of the two lines would have to improve befor this team goes anywhere. I stand by that.

Meisterman
05-12-2005, 01:03 PM
It would really be nice to see the Texans pickup/trade/draft an offensive lineman that would be clear upgrade to what is currently on the roster. So far the Texans have been content to plug in free agent linemen ( Wade being the exception) that have little upside and alot of downside.

I wonder what it would be like to have a quality center? I'm sure Carr asks the same thing when his center gets bull rushed and thrown backpeddling into Carr's legs. :rolleyes:

SBTexans08
05-12-2005, 01:04 PM
I agree with threetoedpete. The lines on both sides of the ball is where it all starts. They will dictate the success of this Texans team. Improving the O-line is paramount. I hope these guys start looking like a cohesive unit and protect our QB so that he and his guys can execute....and the Texans get something out of signing Carr before he's a FA.

TheOgre
05-12-2005, 01:24 PM
He is an upgrade over Spears. As a starting RT, he was an average run and pass blocker.

ojthecat
05-12-2005, 02:13 PM
It would really be nice to see the Texans pickup/trade/draft an offensive lineman that would be clear upgrade to what is currently on the roster.

OK your the GM who should we get or could have gotten? "that would be clear upgrade to what is currently on the roster." :listening

F-minus67
05-12-2005, 02:20 PM
Well we could have gotten Orland Pace, but its hard to play with out an arm and a leg.

ojthecat
05-12-2005, 02:26 PM
Well we could have gotten Orland Pace, but its hard to play with out an arm and a leg.

No, Charlie tried he tried real hard to get Orlando he was just using us for leverage he didn't want to leave St. Louis. So again what should Charlie do that he hasn't done. We are getting better each year not many teams can say that. Look this year we will protect Carr better and we will run the ball better and that will make play action better. We are ready for a breakout year. This team reminds me of the Dallas team in the early ninties the first year they went to the playoffs. Then it was 3 superbowls in 4 years. We are on track.

TEXANS84
05-12-2005, 06:16 PM
Here is a Saints fan's view of Victor Riley over on pigskinheaven.com:

I now feel more sorry for David Carr than I had before.

Victor Riley is a locker room cancer, a drive killer and a poor player. He regularly has gotten in fights with his teammates for 2 years running now, and has yelled at New Orleans' general manager, Mickey Loomis, in the past.

He lead the entire NFL in false start penalties last year, and this, to me, shows that he doesn't have the discipline to play in the NFL.

Riley also comes into camp overweight regularly, and has a piss poor work ethic. It shows when he cannot keep defenders on a pass play off of Brooks and is sucking air by the middle of the 1st quarter.

IMO, Carr's sack record is in jeapordy.

OzzO
05-12-2005, 06:19 PM
True, since NO is such a well run / organized team.

Texas_Thrill
05-12-2005, 06:40 PM
Are ya'll serious? For a organization supposedly being built on character this was a HORRENDOUS move.

Its not as bad as BEATING his wife? He HIT his wife's car with their child in it fool. Its amazing how folks can justify a player for the team because of talent and overlook character when its convient. This crap is ridiculous and I for one hopes he does not make the roster.

I was happy when we passed on troy edwards who beat his fiancee in college constantly. I certainly dont want a jack***** who rams a car with his wife and child in it.

LikeABoss
05-12-2005, 06:57 PM
I now feel more sorry for David Carr than I had before.

Victor Riley is a locker room cancer, a drive killer and a poor player. He regularly has gotten in fights with his teammates for 2 years running now, and has yelled at New Orleans' general manager, Mickey Loomis, in the past.

He lead the entire NFL in false start penalties last year, and this, to me, shows that he doesn't have the discipline to play in the NFL.

Riley also comes into camp overweight regularly, and has a piss poor work ethic. It shows when he cannot keep defenders on a pass play off of Brooks and is sucking air by the middle of the 1st quarter.

IMO, Carr's sack record is in jeapordy.

I told ya'll, and people didn't want to take my word for it :rolleyes:

dalemurphy
05-12-2005, 11:02 PM
He'll attend the offseason programs and be at training camp. The coaches will decide based on their first-hand analysis of his character and his abilities whether to put him on the 53 man roster or not. Remember, it's a one year deal with an insignificant bonus, so they aren't hamstrung to keep him if they don't like what they see.

rittenhouserobz
05-13-2005, 06:57 AM
Another OL player. Not a big surprise. We are trying to find the diamond in the rough. Here is what I say.

If Carr is sacked hard 2 times in a game, then we should calling running plays for the rest of the game. Make the OL work for there money. Of course, we would not win very many games this way so we would then be able to select an OT in the top 10 pick that we will get.

If he isn't sacked really hard twice, then we stick to the gameplan and win.

El Tejano
05-13-2005, 01:52 PM
Well he did play well and maybe he can get back to that form. I am glad we are at least bringing in somebody to nudge Seth.

CoachJim
05-14-2005, 08:19 AM
From Ourlads:
Victor Riley has all the tools you look for at right tackle, but has a lot of weight problems and is too inconsistent.

Take it for what it's worth, which sounds pretty accurate given the current info on this thread. :eek:

TexansTrueFan
05-14-2005, 10:14 AM
Another OL player. Not a big surprise. We are trying to find the diamond in the rough. Here is what I say.

If Carr is sacked hard 2 times in a game, then we should calling running plays for the rest of the game. Make the OL work for there money. Of course, we would not win very many games this way so we would then be able to select an OT in the top 10 pick that we will get.

If he isn't sacked really hard twice, then we stick to the gameplan and win.


we we'd lose davis to a major injury about the second game of the season ! and prolly get the number one overall pick in next years draft. And next year i wanna be picking in the high 20s even 30s :) !!!!!

royce1054
05-14-2005, 11:42 AM
Another OL player. Not a big surprise. We are trying to find the diamond in the rough. Here is what I say.

If Carr is sacked hard 2 times in a game, then we should calling running plays for the rest of the game. Make the OL work for there money. Of course, we would not win very many games this way so we would then be able to select an OT in the top 10 pick that we will get.

If he isn't sacked really hard twice, then we stick to the gameplan and win.

Lets run that by David and the rest of the coaching staff and see how they feel about that.

SaintsFan
05-14-2005, 01:30 PM
Sorry Houston Fans, but this guy is horrible. He single handedly lost over 100 yards, and prevented the saints from not only scoring, but finishing games off when we were in the lead. It's hard to imagine, because of our 32nd ranked defense, but with being one game away from the playoffs, Victor Riley was the most prominent reason for the saints failure to score in the first quarter, and red zone. I wish you guys the best of luck, but don't say I didn't warn you when this joker false starts every first and second snap, and he puts Carr on IR. don't let the team press sweet talk you, this guy is the worst right tackle in football, and he might play left tackle for you guys. I really like the texans, and would be for them if the saints go to san antonio, but I'd hate to see carr go down because of this jerk. :confused:

Vinny
05-14-2005, 01:34 PM
An old player that comes in and signs a ONE year contract? I'm not worried about him. He's an upgrade to Spears.

Wolf
05-14-2005, 01:39 PM
I agree with vinny.. People are acting like Riley is starting ... well if was was a RT...do you think we'd take over Wade's spot? uhhh NO..
LT...if he is so horrible in pass blocking and commits false start penalties.. why does anyone think that he would take over Wands spot then?

beerlover
05-14-2005, 01:40 PM
Victor provides depth behind Wade only he is not a LT. from ourlads- Victor Riley has all the tools you look for at right tackle, but has a lot of weight problems and is too inconsistent. He lacks the mental makeup teams are looking for. he was the 2nd highest rated OT in free agency, lets hope he gets his head right and realizes this is it.

Corrosion
05-14-2005, 01:44 PM
Maybe he'll move to the Center position ...... cant be any worse than Mckinney :brickwall .....bleh we can dream :cool:

Vinny
05-14-2005, 01:52 PM
Welcome aboard and thanks for your insight on Riley in any case Saintsfan. I think Riley will find some time at Right Guard this year too. Weigert seems injury prone.

Ibar_Harry
05-14-2005, 09:09 PM
Vinny, I hope your wrong about Wiegert, but that has been the case so far.

SwampHound
05-14-2005, 10:51 PM
Hmmm...interesting. Anyone got any info in reguards to his playing ability?

This a HORRIBLE signing. :thumbdown

TexansTrueFan
05-15-2005, 01:35 AM
well atleast it provides a spark for some of the OL, a lil competition never hurt anyone !

Youngstown Colt
05-15-2005, 02:02 AM
a lil competition never hurt anyone !
Nancy Kerrigan would disagree with that

TexanFanInCC
05-15-2005, 10:31 AM
well at least CC is making an effort to improve the team...unlike timmay purpura for the astros.

Vinny
05-15-2005, 01:11 PM
This a HORRIBLE signing. :thumbdown How is he not an upgrade to Spears when he was widely regarded as the best FA Tackle still on the market? oh yeah - nobody has signed Spears as a FA btw

TexansTrueFan
05-15-2005, 01:16 PM
well anyone is better than spears, IMO.

throwANDREtheBALL
05-16-2005, 04:06 PM
I like him better on the right side, at RT or RG, I honestly think that he's lost a step or two since he broke his leg. I don't think he has the agility he used to. Which is why he had so many false start penalties. I have no idea how he'd get by at LT, since pass blocking never was his forte. And he's declined in that area since his loss of movement. All that said, I wouldn't be surprised if he did beat out Seth "Broken-Magic" Wand.

But man would I love it if we had a legit LT.

throwANDREtheBALL
05-16-2005, 04:16 PM
I just read we should put him at Center.........hahhahahaa

Its so funny cuz, he probably would be an upgrade to Mckinney, which is so sad that its hilarious.

hahahaha........a big old RT moved to C..........hahahhaha

I love it.

maybe if we just tell Riley that his wife is cheating on him with all the DE's in the league maybe then he'd be a good enough pass blocker to play LT, or maybe he'd just get in his car and ram them too ?

texan279
05-16-2005, 06:21 PM
Texans | Riley Playing Catch-up - from www.KFFL.com
Mon, 16 May 2005 12:41:25 -0700

HoustonTexans.com reports newly signed Houston Texans OT Victor Riley reported to the team's Monday, May 16 coaching session a bit behind on the conditioning front. Houston signed him to provide depth and competition along their offensive line. He is attempting to play catch-up as he acclimates himself to his new surroundings.

TEXANS84
05-16-2005, 06:36 PM
From what a Saints fan has told me, that sounds about right.
He said he always shows up to camp out of shape.

Andrew76021
05-17-2005, 09:29 PM
I signed up on this forum only to reply to this thread because of the usual optimism of new players signed to a team in the off season.

As a loyal Saints fan of many many years I can only hope for the success of your team that he is not wearing a Texan's jersey in week one. Even as a back up to a back up on the practice squad he would be hard pressed to prove that he is worth replacing said practice squad player. Far and beyond the worst offensive lineman that I have had the displeasure of watching, he is an absolute yardage cancer now on a team that is only one or two key players from being top ten in the league. I blame him single handedly for ruining drive after drive for the Saints. Holding the "Most Off-sides in the League" award is what killed a number of important plays and possible games.

As my hate for this out of shape, unprepared dullard grew, I would find myself watching him the entire game as the ball was snapped to watch his technique and play. He would get blown by time after time exposing Aaron Brooks and eventually sending him into a scramble or into a sack. These occurances weren't even against the elite defensive ends. ANYONE and EVERYONE dominated him.

If we used no one from our draft and released no other player than Victor Riley this year, I consider our offseason a success.

As a supporter of the Texans, unless playing New Orleans, I sincerely hope he does not make the final roster.

throwANDREtheBALL
05-19-2005, 11:40 PM
Is their anyway that we can release him and sign L.J. Shelton.

I tend to agree with the people that said, Casserly just signed Riley, to shut-up the fans, who were grumbling about him not doing anything major to improve the O-line.

I personally don't think Riley will make the final roster as a Tackle. I think he can only play guard now that he has lost so many steps. And even then, I don't want him.

L.J. Shelton on the other hand is a good football player. And he didn't kill his team with penalties/false start's like Riley did.

I think Casserly goofed with the Riley signing, unless Riley can play center and replace Mckinney.

He's got a chance to make it right, if he signs Shelton and makes sure that Riley really works hard and honestly earns a spot on this team.

ojthecat
05-20-2005, 12:05 AM
I tend to agree with the people that said, Casserly just signed Riley, to shut-up the fans, who were grumbling about him not doing anything major to improve the O-line.


That is absured. Casserly is one of the best in the business he has rings to show for it. Look the only way for a GM to suceed is to ignore what the fans want and do what he knows is right. Not all do that but the ones that win do.

throwANDREtheBALL
05-20-2005, 04:59 PM
You said he's one of the best in the business, and then said yourself, that he has no rings to show for it.

Tell me, please, how does he become one of the BEST, if he has never proved it ?

Last I checked, "the BEST", WIN.

PATRIOTS = BEST

RED SOX = BEST

MARION JONES = BEST

cuz they've all won!

You don't get to be called one of the best, if you haven't proved it!
And until they win, calling him one of the best is OVER-RATING.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think that he sucks, but, I sure don't think that he is one of the best.

The first player that he picked for HIS team.........Tony Boselli.

Casserly is one of the best.........no, good try though. :highfive:

Vinny
05-20-2005, 05:01 PM
Why does everyone act like the expansion draft is somehow like the regular draft? Boselli could have been the last guy taken...it didn't matter the order....WE WERE THE ONLY TEAM DRAFTING

Casserly has a long, proven track record. You might want to look it up.

ojthecat
05-20-2005, 05:13 PM
You said he's one of the best in the business, and then said yourself, that he has no rings to show for it.



He does have rings. He was with the Redskins help build there superbowl champion ship teams.

:brickwall :brickwall :brickwall

red bull
05-20-2005, 05:40 PM
bad post. had to retract it.

throwANDREtheBALL
05-20-2005, 06:06 PM
The honest truth is that any GM starting a team had to take Boselli, just to avoid the negative rift it would cause the fans right from the start of the team. So Casserly taking Boselli is overrated. I don't know how much the league let the Texans medical staff look over these players if at all? So I can't say that anyone would've done anything differenty there.

That said, there were a handful of players that he didn't take, that I couldn't understand.

Here were some good players that Casserly skipped on:

Brad Badger T
Roman Oben T
Willie Mcginest DE/OLB
Ken Dilger TE
Reuben Droughns HB (I know that no one thought he was good back then, but, for that price why didn't they add him?)


Here's two guys that I think might've flourished in our system.
John Thierry OLB/DE
Tim Biakabutuka RB

There were a lot of other bigger names I could add, but they came with high Cap numbers.

I would've take Badger ($975,000), Mcginest (N/A), Dilger ($3,390,000), Thierry ($3,520,000), Droughns ($300,000), at least.

I know Thierry was a higher number for his production but, he was born in Houston, so I'm pretty sure he would've been happy to be here. And he was a proto-type 3-4 outside linebacker.


But, like I said, Casserly doesn't suck. I just think Casserly is overrated, I think its fair to say that he's above-average.........which means he's doing a better job than half of the other GM's in the league. Which is decent.

Vinny
05-20-2005, 06:12 PM
Taking Boselli facilitated us starting off the franchise with a credible defensive line. Payne and Walker were in the package. We could have taken more players if we wanted to. It wasn't an either/or situation.

THEFUTURE
05-20-2005, 06:25 PM
Vinny you can correct me on the exact numbers, but arent you allowed like 30 or something expansion picks, and we only picked like 15-20, i might be off on the number, but the point is, that Casserly wanted to go with quality vets over quantity, .... also someone mentioned Reuben Droughns, are you kidding, Reuben Droughns hasnt done anything in the NFL, he had one good year last year, in the running back system that is Denver, that notoriously makes backs look better than some actually are.

infantrycak
05-20-2005, 06:48 PM
There was an option for how the Texans could go about the expansion draft--either take a certain number of players or take a certain percentage of cap space. Cleveland took option a, Houston took option b. Also, you can't just look at the list and assume they could have taken anyone that was ever available. There were rules such as what was involved with the Bosselli deal. Once you took one player from a team, they had the option of removing a player from the available list so for instance if they had taken Walker 1st, Jax could have taken Payne off the available list. Don't know if that applies to any of the players on throwAndre's list, but something to remember.

I'll say again, the biggest tragedy of the expansion draft was the NFL deciding Willie Roaf couldn't be put in the expansion draft for medical reasons and Bosselli could. Roaf hasn't missed a game since and I believe has gone to two pro-bowls. Imagine Carr's development and the offense as a whole if Roaf had been here and Pitts had been playing LG the whole time.

THEFUTURE
05-20-2005, 06:51 PM
I'll say again, the biggest tragedy of the expansion draft was the NFL deciding Willie Roaf couldn't be put in the expansion draft for medical reasons and Bosselli could. Roaf hasn't missed a game since and I believe has gone to two pro-bowls. Imagine Carr's development and the offense as a whole if Roaf had been here and Pitts had been playing LG the whole time.
i had forgotten about that, i HATE the nfl! bunch of donkeys they are. :dangit: :club:

tomwaits
05-20-2005, 08:22 PM
My take as a Saints fan.

Riley's performance is ok for a backup, especially for a low salary. The word around is that he can be a locker room problem, and Will Smith had to beat him down a year ago. He does have a lot of false starts, and "seems" lazy to me, but I am obviously not a coach. I would be worried about his locker room presence more than anything else. Hopefully you guys have some strong leadership in the lockerroom, and Riley has a new and better attitude after not being re-signed by the Saints.

throwANDREtheBALL
05-20-2005, 10:26 PM
Yeah, I was aware of the rules, that when you draft a guy, that the other team can take a guy from the list.

So......here goes

Brad Badger T - Vikings (we took no one from the Vikings)
Ken Dilger TE - Colts (we took no one from the Colts)
John Thierry OLB/DE - Green Bay (we took no one from Green Bay)
Reuben Droughns RB - Detroit (we took no one from Detroit)

Willie Mcginest OLB/DE - Patriots (we took MATT STEVENS - S)

I know someone out there is going to cry about us needing a Safety more....OK my answer is:

Sam Garnes S - Giants (we took no one from the Giants)
too pricey you say ?

OK then

Bracey Walker S - Chiefs (we took no one from the Chiefs)
And Bracey was actually a little cheaper than Matt Stevens. And before someone says that Bracey Walker is too old.....well, he's still playing in the NFL..........where is Matt Stevens ? I might've just taken one more corner and converted one to Safety.

And someone pointed out that Reuben Droughns sucked, so why would they take him? Well, at that point I believe he'd only played one year, so its hard to judge how good or bad he was playing for the Lions........the fact is that he was a young RB for $300,000.........therefore not a hit to the cap in any way at all. I figure if I was starting out a team, I'd get a couple Young RB's if they were cheap.

Am I the only one that wasn't satisfied with their expansion draft ?