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Vinny
05-11-2005, 03:46 PM
The San Antonio Express-News reported Wednesday that an attorney representing Tom Benson claimed the Saints owner is interested in relocating the franchise, possibly to San Antonio.

The paper quotes Stanley Rosenberg, Benson’s attorney and long-time friend, as saying that Benson has a strong interest in moving the team out of New Orleans. Rosenberg told the paper that Benson is considering invoking an exit clause in his lease with the State following the upcoming season.

Contacted by Eyewitness Sports Wednesday, Rosenberg declined comment when asked specifically if his quotes in the Express-News were accurate.

Benson recently called off negotiations with the State with the two sides standing about $100 million apart in a total package that would keep the team in New Orleans for another 20 years.

Governor Kathleen Blanco issued some stern comments following Benson’s decision to call off the negotiations, saying it isn’t easy to ask a rich person to give up some of their money and saying that she had appealed to his “humanitarian” side.

Benson has refused any public comment since his statement and rebuffed reporters at the VooDoo's AFL game this weekend.

The Express-News story said San Antonio’s Alamodome would need about $200 million in work to bring it up to NFL standards.

The city’s two mayoral candidates were quoted as receiving news of the Saints considering a move “enthusiastically.”

http://www.wwltv.com/sports/stories/WWL051105benson.2640ab5e6.html

Hervoyel
05-11-2005, 04:15 PM
Interesting. Texas goes from having one NFL team in Dallas to possibly having three teams in a rough triangle around Austin. I'd think this would be cool just to watch what happens to the Cowboy loving San Antonio fans and the Dallas hating Houston fans.

Would the people of S.A. be able to let go of their precious Cowboys? Who would Houston fans hate more? Right now it's Houston and Dallas and we have a very good semi-bitter cross-state rivalry. If there were three teams would that go away? I wonder if it might become like the very bland NBA version with the Spurs-Rockets-Mavericks where most of the time you don't care about at least one of the other two.

It would give Texas fair weather fans three shots a winner every year.

beerlover
05-11-2005, 04:36 PM
the distractions are inevitable beerlover street and all- guess they're concerned about the temptations available to their future QB Adrian McPhearson who has all the tools needed to be a star in the NFL.

:party:

Khari
05-11-2005, 04:54 PM
San Antonio needs a football team ....... so I don't have to drive three to four hours to Houston or Dallas to see a game. I can be in San Antonio in one hour.... :homer:

StarStruck
05-11-2005, 05:06 PM
I can't say I'm surprised, and San Antonio would probably do everything possible to make it happen. I don't see them having the voting challenges that both Houston and Dallas had.

If the Saints were to relocate to San Antonio, there would probably be huge fan loyalty to the home team, which would affect the Cowboys fan base. IMO, that should make it all a fun rivalry.

Reddevil63
05-11-2005, 05:09 PM
If that were to happen, Id have an NFC team to root for. Im all for it, San Antonio is a great city with great fans (ask the Spurs) and is very well deserving of an NFL team. Would definitely make for some interesting rivalries within the state.

FILO_girl
05-11-2005, 05:12 PM
I am not suprised at this. SA is a large city and has alot going for it. Makes sense to me that they might make a run for their own NFL team. They could get all of the far West Texas fans. Saints? Nah, more like the Desperados! :cool:

shinerbock_girl
05-11-2005, 05:30 PM
Wow, interesting...Just hard to imagine SA having a football team....But i don't think i could pry myself from the Texans...I guess i could view it just like the Spurs and Rockets...As long as the Spurs don't play the Rockets i'll go for the Rockets, otherwise my hearts with the Spurs :love:

beerlover
05-11-2005, 05:51 PM
I am not suprised at this. SA is a large city and has alot going for it. Makes sense to me that they might make a run for their own NFL team. They could get all of the far West Texas fans. Saints? Nah, more like the Desperados! :cool:

I like that San Antonio Desperados, Texans/Cowboys with an edge texanpride

Texans Pride
05-11-2005, 05:56 PM
Saints? Nah, more like the Desperados! :cool:

I LOVE IT!!! I'd be all over that team (behind the Texans of course)

Filo, I think you need to get into marketing and advertisment...that's a great name!

Texans Pride
05-11-2005, 05:58 PM
Maybe this is a silly question, but could the NFL have any control over where the team was moved?

Say if they wanted a team in Los Angeles, could they say no to San Antonio, or is it the owner’s decision as long as the project could be funded?

WWJD
05-11-2005, 06:03 PM
I think this has about as much a chance of happening as Billy Graham going on the Howard Stern program. The NFL has already practically come out and said they would either move a team to LA or grant them a franchise. In fact I heard on the news yesterday where Anaheim has a stadium plan ready to present to the NFL.

Grid
05-11-2005, 06:06 PM
San Antonio can outbid.. but really the league has a huge say in whether the team is put in San Antonio.. and the league is desperate to get a team in L.A.

If the Saints are willing to move and negotiations have been called off.. they will be the L.A. Saints.. ill put money on it.

San Antonio will be a rival that will run up the price on L.A. and make sure that the saints get a good deal when they move.. but the next city to get a team WILL be L.A.

YodAa
05-11-2005, 06:28 PM
Well LA has the biggest chance of getting the Saints but since they don't even have a stadium location yet and probably won't til 2010 and the Saints little contract thingy ends in 2006 or something (I read it somewhere but can't remember) it would be possible for the Saints to go to SA just because LA wouldn't be ready. And there are lots of Pros to this the biggest one being that San Antonio has lots of attractions making it a great site for an SB so losing New Orleans woulnd't hurt the league SB wise, its a big city (population is 1,144,646), if any of the fans from New Orleans still like them they could still go every couple of games since it isn't very far, they could probably get a stadium easily since theres a lot of land and it would be a new stadium (unlike in LA where they can't decide were it would be cheaper to place a stadium and wether or not it would be a new stadium or a renovated stadium. And of course the best reason, I would be able to go see the Bucs once a year!

The Saints are currently asking the city of New Orleans for a new stadium, which would be the key to them staying in New Orleans, wether or not they get it I don't but I do have the design to the stadium. Its a retractable roof stadium with a capacity of somewhere between 60,000-70,000.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/YodAa19/PhotoDraw324.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/YodAa19/saints102_small.gif

Texans Pride
05-11-2005, 07:05 PM
Yoda

Good post, I'm always impressed with what you have to say. For a 15 year old, you shock me. Nice job buddy

YodAa
05-11-2005, 07:08 PM
O score I'm on the smart 15 year old list! neways "San Antonio Saints" has a little ding to it! I like it.

Grid
05-11-2005, 07:24 PM
I agree San Anton would be a great place for a team.. its big enough.. it does have football fans.. and it would be a very good spot for superbowls.

I just dont think the league will give anyone else a team until L.A. has one. They want a team in L.A. as quickly as possible. if the saints are willing to move.. I think they will figure something out to get them to L.A.

12Gage
05-11-2005, 08:37 PM
If LA gets a team it should be the Chargers, or a team already in Cali. Why give them 4 teams?

San Antonio having an NFL team?! :highfive::thumbup

Fiddy
05-11-2005, 08:40 PM
If LA gets a team it should be the Chargers, or a team already in Cali. Why give them 4 teams?

San Antonio having an NFL team?! :highfive::thumbupWhy should Texas have 3??? The Texans have enough problems fighting for airtime over the Cowboys, the Saints would have more cause San Antonio is probably Cowboy country. It wouldn't be a smart move on the Saints part because they wouldnt be able to compete against the Texans and Cowboys. They already have enough problems getting people from Louisana to go to the games, how are they going to get people who are fans of other teams???

Panther5407
05-11-2005, 08:42 PM
O score I'm on the smart 15 year old list! neways "San Antonio Saints" has a little ding to it! I like it.

I'm with ya YodAa, my sig proves it. :highfive: Well, untill 20 more days then I'll be in the smart 16 year old club. :coolb:


3 Texas football teams, 3 Texas Basketball teams. If this is going to be, the in state rivarly is going to reach a new level.

Fiddy
05-11-2005, 08:49 PM
I'm with ya YodAa, my sig proves it. :highfive: Well, untill 20 more days then I'll be in the smart 16 year old club. :coolb:Younglings... :heh:

12Gage
05-11-2005, 08:49 PM
Why should Texas have 3???
Because we are the largest state in the continental US.

YodAa
05-11-2005, 08:49 PM
Hey panther thats why I said that. Should I add it to my sig then put "Part of the SFC" ?

Panther5407
05-11-2005, 08:52 PM
Younglings... :heh:

I'm not that far off. Plus me being 6 1 and 185 lbs (yet im still a small DE) make me look older. But anyways I'll have my license and be happy. You have to know what it feels like, so close yet so far. I'm just doing stuff to kill the time. :brickwall

nunusguy
05-11-2005, 08:53 PM
No way Benson some how extracts the Saints from NO and does not move the
team to the LA area - LA is just too potent and lucrative to pass up and
so many others are drooling to get a franchise located there. Its gonna happen at some point in the near future and why I still thank the gods almost everyday that we got this franchise instead of losing it to Southern Cal.
And sure, SA is a good sports town but the Texas market would experience diminishing returns with a third NFL team and for sure SA is the odd man out. Technically SA is now the 2nd largest city in the state but SA metro is drawfed by DFW and Houston metros and would be another very small fan
base like Jacksonville, Tenneessee, etc.

Panther5407
05-11-2005, 08:53 PM
Hey panther thats why I said that. Should I add it to my sig then put "Part of the SFC" ?

Sounds good to me. I'll keep it in mine too for the time being.

Fiddy
05-11-2005, 09:00 PM
I'm not that far off. Plus me being 6 1 and 185 lbs (yet im still a small DE) make me look older. But anyways I'll have my license and be happy. You have to know what it feels like, so close yet so far. I'm just doing stuff to kill the time. :brickwall5'9" 140...damn :thumbdown

Panther5407
05-11-2005, 09:05 PM
5'9" 140...damn :thumbdown

Thats twice as big as half of the freshman plaing football at Springs now. Those dudes look like they should be in junior high still.

texansfan88
05-11-2005, 09:23 PM
Hey quote lovers, take this

"I'm very impressed with your writing, your common sense when it comes to writing and your enthusiasm to become a scout. Not to mention your resourcefulness." John McClain, Pro Football Writers of America President

"I wish I would have had as much of a plan as you do at the same point in time in my life. I'm impressed" Tom Modrak- Assistant GM for the Buffalo Bills

"I admire the fact that you have developed a well planned vision into your future at such a young age. You are years ahead of others." John Idzik, Director of Football Operations, Arizona Cardinals

"I know how I felt when I was younger, and you handle yourself with maturity. There is no reason why you can't become the youngest GM in NFL history" Martin Nance, All American WR from Miami (OH) and a great friend.

Fiddy, should we start the Cool seventeen year old club? hahaha

BOOM

Yeah, I did gloat...oh well...I still got much love for the kid at Springs

thegr8fan
05-11-2005, 10:41 PM
this isn't going to happen for one reason and one reason only. San Antonio does not have the financial status to fill up a 70,000 seat stadium at the current NFL ticket prices. SA is an economical underdog. The wage base is well below that targeted by the NFL organization. The NFL organization won't allow this to happen for that very reason AND the desire to move/ franchise a team in LA.

The Alamodome is falling down around itself and was originally built too many years ago, mainly with the thought of 'if you build it, they will come', but they never did. Red McCombs lives in San Antonio, and he owns the Vikings, although he is currently trying to sell it. If ANYONE moved a team to San Antonio, it would have been him. And he was smart enough from a financial standpoint to NOT do so.

SA has the Cowboys training camp already booked for the Alamodome for the next couple of seasons, so that would also be a problem.

The city of SA has made some really dumb deals regarding trying to support Sports Growth. Last one being a Soccer deal that has the Soccer league laughing all the way to the bank. The PGA got shot down a few years back due to lack of support by the town residents, even though the Mayor did everything but bribe a federal judge to get it to go through.

SA is not going to financially be able to support an NFL team. It would end up being another Jax stadium where half the stands were empty and TV blackouts the norm, IMHO.

vtech9
05-11-2005, 10:53 PM
I like that San Antonio Desperados, Texans/Cowboys with an edge texanpride
the team name Desperados is already in use by the Dallas Arena Football team that is also owned by Jerry Jones.

The next EXPANSION TEAM will go into LA if someone doesn't move their team there first. However, I believe that the owner of an existing team has the option of where he wants to move his team. Granted that it has to be ok'd by the NFL, but I doubt very seriously if the NFL could mandate to an owner where his team would move.

swisher
05-11-2005, 10:58 PM
The Alamodome is a dump. $200 million dollars won't fix it, especially with Reliant Stadium and the new Cowboys Stadium sitting a few hundred miles away making it look even worse.

I think the NFL would require them to build a new stadium in SA. I just don't see it. I think the Saints eventually stay in New Orleans and the folks in LA will just yawn and go back to getting their botox.

sprtsfanatic
05-11-2005, 11:34 PM
Coming from a Texan fan that lives in san antonio (originally from houston) an nfl team will NEVER make it here. Many have stated several good reasons and the biggest is that san antonio's market isnt big enough for an nfl team. its a tourist city and the "thriving" population would NEVER agree to pay for a new stadium or even the 200 mil it would take to fix that piece of crap alamo dome they have now. Economy is too weak, population is forever fluctuating (and not with the population that has a lot of money), and for those of you who THINK san antonio would be a good host to a superbowl...perhaps you should come by and stay around here a bit longer than a weekend/week vacation....its not a city that can host any large event....it was lucky enought to host the college playoffs...but even then it didnt do a very good job of accommodating it....so although you all may wish for it....it will not happen until this city can generate a significant increase in income...

Texizgreat
05-12-2005, 12:53 AM
I am a Huge Texan fan in SA. There are several reasons why this will not happen now. They have all been listed above. From the alamo dome sucks to the money issue. But also I don't think Jerry Jones would let it happen. The fan base for the cowboys here is just STUPID. I mean they are just fanatical. I could see jerry handing the Lousianna Government and 100 mil check.

With that said I think a team being here in 2010-2015 might not be that far fetched. One the economy around here is about to boom. We have Toyota with 1000 jobs not counting supporting jobs. Them possibly Washington Mutual with 3000 good jobs. So finacially we are on a role.

Next task would to propose a stadium that is not on the "bad" side of town. San Antonio has a nack of putting attractions where people that live here wont go.

OzzO
05-12-2005, 11:46 AM
Apparently, it's been advance to include two other markets...

Saints | Looking West? - from www.KFFL.com
Wed, 11 May 2005 17:08:00 -0700

The Associated Press reports an attorney that represents New Orleans Saints owner Tom Benson told a newspaper Benson is interested in moving the football team out of Louisiana and possibly to San Antonio, Albuquerque, or Los Angeles. Benson has been threatening to move the team while discussing negotiations with the State of Louisiana over the Saints' Louisiana Superdome lease. On Wednesday, May 11 the San Antonio Express-News quoted Benson attorney and friend Stanley Rosenberg as saying that Benson has a strong interest in moving the Saints out of New Orleans. Rosenberg also said he's received interest from outside parties to either buy the team or to persuade Benson to move the team. One offer exceeded $1 billion, Rosenberg said.

wiley2002
05-12-2005, 04:22 PM
What's wrong with the Saints keeping their name if they were to come to San Antonio? I mean there are LOTS of old missions around the area. Couldn't you just see the emblem looking something like the Alamo? Ok maybe not.

TexansTrueFan
05-12-2005, 04:36 PM
personally i dont like the idea of them moving to texas. But if they do, it will be fun to beat both of the other texas teams :)

gcolby
05-12-2005, 10:02 PM
Man, have I got issues with this one...

1. Tom Benson is a terrible owner. Have you followed his dealings with the LA gov't for the past 15 years? It's all been about 'how much can you pay me?'. Ironic, Benson and McCombs both came from car dealership empires, they both are squeezing the bejeezus out of two pennies, and they both view football purely in terms of a business bottom line. Now before you go getting all holy on me about how football IS a business, let me just say that owners should also have enough passion for the game in order to help make those franchise decisions that make 'fan' sense, but not business sense. McNair has it with the Texans; Benson is a greedy toad.

Wherever he moves the team, they will tire of his pauper mentality in only a few years.

2. SA had the USFL (I sat in the stands for two games while at Trinity U.), and the support was thin at best, even for the USFL. SA does have some support problems.

3. The Saints have to be out of the 'dome for the 2006 season. After what the Titans went through in Memphis, the Seahawks at the Huskies' field, and the Bears at that other state college while their stadiums were being built, I think Benson would be reluctant to take the revenue hit of playing 'on the road' for three years.

Uh oh, my warm milk and cookies are kicking in. See you in the morning!

nunusguy
05-13-2005, 05:57 PM
How about the Dallas Saints ? The Cowboys are moving to Arlington when
their new stadium is built over there and there are rumors the team may be known as the Arlington Cowboys or perhaps the Texas Cowboys in respect for the other Arlington team, the Rangers. But with the Cowboys moving to
the Ft.Worth/Arlington metro area Dallas metro will need a team of its own and the Dallas metro is bigger than SA metro so it should be in the running for the Saints in they leave NO.

texman8
05-14-2005, 02:00 AM
Won't happen! Jerry Jones is there to block any move. DFW metro is large but nothing like LA, Chicago, or NY.

Tedc
05-14-2005, 08:19 AM
Jerry will not block it because he understands that this is a smokescreen to get L.A. off thier duffs and DO SOMETHING!

Even if there was a better offer from S.A., the Saints will be marching to L.A.

The NFL will not rest until they get this market back.

YodAa
05-14-2005, 09:58 AM
I really doubt that the Cowboys would change it to "Texas" Cowboys just because of History and there already known worldwide as the Dallas Cowboys. If the Saints did move to San Antonio they could change their name to the San Antonio Rebels

WWJD
05-14-2005, 01:02 PM
The Cowboys will not change their name. They've been in Irving for decades and the name has not changed.

The NFL has already stated..the commish no less...that their first priority is to put a team in the Los Angeles area.

gtexan02
05-14-2005, 11:06 PM
I go to school in SA and the saints have practiced there a number of times. Interesting.

keyfro
05-15-2005, 02:07 PM
san antonio would be a great football town in my opinion...there is so many themes that could go along with a san antonio team...the people would create a kansas city like atmosphere...plus texas is the biggest football state in the nation...if new york gets three football teams so should texas...nuff said

Texizgreat
05-17-2005, 01:07 AM
San Antonio Defenders what do ya think

Grid
05-17-2005, 06:54 AM
Keep in mind also that another team in Texas would be BAD for the Texans as well. It would not only rob the Cowboys of fans, it would rob us of fans too.. and we need all our fans at this point :).

Why a 4th team in Cali? cause there is a market for it. Texas is the SECOND biggest state in the continental U.S. behind Cali. The Raiders are turning a profit, the Chargers are turning a profit(now) and the 9ers.. even if they werent turning a profit.. I just dont see them moving that franchise. There is a market for a team in L.A. Besides.. if ya look at the layout of the NFL teams over the entire U.S... you will notice that there are VERY few teams in the western half of the country.


Nope.. they will go to L.A.. and its better for the NFL, and for the Texans.. that they do.

JustBonee
05-17-2005, 08:24 AM
San Antonio with a NFL team ... no way.. never!!
The Texans are still trying to get a foothold in Texas and take away Cowboy interest around the state. And it's a long upward battle as we see on a daily basis.
San Antonio would be the 'Jacksonville' of Texas. The NFL must have learned from that mistake.

gwallaia
05-17-2005, 09:22 AM
San Antonio would be the 'Jacksonville' of Texas. The NFL must have learned from that mistake.

Ha Ha!

Believe it or not, there actually is a Jackonsville, Texas.

FILO_girl
05-17-2005, 09:50 AM
San Antonio Defenders what do ya think

Nope.

SAN ANTONIO DESPERADOS!

El Tejano
05-17-2005, 09:59 AM
I like that San Antonio Desperados, Texans/Cowboys with an edge texanpride

Yeah but it still makes sense to call them the Saints with the Alamo being an old Catholic Church and the city itself being named after a Saint itself. I think the team colors would go over well being black and gold with the Spurs Black and Silver.

gwallaia
05-17-2005, 10:06 AM
How about the San Antonio Crocketts?

JustBonee
05-17-2005, 10:47 AM
Ha Ha!

Believe it or not, there actually is a Jackonsville, Texas.
Lol .. yeah, I found out early on when I moved to Texas, that pretty much every city and town in the country can be found in this BIG state. :D

BattleRedRaider
05-17-2005, 11:51 AM
Saints....Desperados....Crocketts....69ers.....don 't matter. Desperados sounds better anyway.

It's better than the San Antonio Texans. (So I moved the Texans there in my Madden game; I was bored.)

TheOgre
05-17-2005, 01:00 PM
Since the majority of NFC games are shown on the same network (Fox at this time), you will hear an uproar from Cowboy's fans in San Antonio. Why? Here is when the Cowboys will be shown:

1. When the "Saints" have a BYE week (assuming Dallas has a different one).

2. Weeks when Saints are at home:
a. If the Saints fail to sell out 72 hours in advance (could happen), but probably not the first couple of seasons.
b. If either the Saints or Cowboys play a night game.
c. If they are playing one another
d. If the Cowboys are against an AFC team in Dallas and they play at a different time than the Saints
e. If the Saints are playing at home against an AFC team and they play at a different time than the Cowboys


3. Weeks when the Saints are on the road:
a. If the NFC network (Fox right now) has a doubleheader and the Saints and Cowboys play at different times (assumes Cowboys not hosting an AFC team).
b. If either the Saints or Cowboys play a night game.
c. If they are playing one another
d. If the Cowboys are hosting an AFC team

Lets assume for a second that San Antonio sold out every game. The Cowboys would probably only be on t.v. about 6 times a year on the average. Can you imagine the hate calls that would generate?

El Tejano
05-17-2005, 01:19 PM
One thing to remember and it is something I saw alot of when I went to our game against Minnesota. There were alot of young kids that were from different cities in Texas that came to watch the Texans because they became their favorite team, either through the players or the little league team they played for. In fact, one of those kids sat in front of me and he was from San Antonio. We have the new generation of youngsters that never even saw Dallas win in the 90s let alone know anything about the 70s or Tom Landry.

Having a team in SA would lose alot of that future fan support. Except for my family as I just found out we are having another El Tejano in December. They will bleed deep steel blue.

WWJD
05-17-2005, 03:03 PM
I find this thread funny...the commissioner has already said in his state of the league address that he wants a team in LA. Anaheim has a stadium plan either ready or near completion. The Saints are going to LA if they go anywhere. San Antonio is a wonderful, vibrant city but they aren't getting an NFL team anytime soon. Somebody is playing with San Antonio on this one. Kind of like Bud did when he started his plans to move the Oilers. Didn't he go to several cities and show interest in moving there? That's the same vibe I get from all this San Antonio talk....it's just talk.

ubecool454
05-17-2005, 05:46 PM
THE NFL TRYING TO SURVIVE IN ANOTHER MILITARY TOWN..ANOTHER JAX...MAYBE A SOCCER TEAM WILL DO MUCH BETTER THAN PRO FOOTBALL IN SAN ANTONIO. : :goodnight

ubecool454
05-17-2005, 05:49 PM
I REALIZE TOM BENSON IS FROM SAN ANTONIO, BUT HE DIDN'T BECOME RICH BY BEING STUPID. WHY WOULD HE PASS UP THE THE SECOND LARGEST TV MARKET IN THE LAND TO MOVE HIS TEAM TO SLEEPY SAN ANTONIO? :dangit: