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arb729
03-30-2012, 09:31 PM
http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/03/30/salary-cap-situation-for-each-team/

didnt know where else to put this, but thought it important.

does it make the texans smart or stupid that they are 1 of only 2 teams with no carryout cap hit?

badboy
03-30-2012, 09:45 PM
Houston Texans
Current contracts: 51
Previous year carryover: $0.00
Adjustments: $2,297,606.00
Adjusted cap: $122,897,606.00
Team cap: $119,298,594.00
Cap room: $3,599,012.00
Team cash: $107,862,171.18

Wonder if the cap room includes the savings of Walter's cut? IMO $3.6 million should bring a decent FA player as year goes on, maybe June 1st cuts? Then add $4m that could be added if JJ cut seems like a lot.

SW H-TOWN
03-30-2012, 09:55 PM
Who the hell is the Eagles cap guru? The guy is money in the bank. I'm just gonna sign everybody to monster contracts, have a $10.9 million carryover, and come out $16 million under the cap, respect.

badboy
03-30-2012, 09:58 PM
Who the hell is the Eagles cap guru? The guy is money in the bank. I'm just gonna sign everybody to monster contracts, have a $10.9 million carryover, and come out $16 million under the cap, respect.I'm guessing many of those FA picked up last year were backloaded? ANother reason to move Assante.

Dutchrudder
03-30-2012, 10:37 PM
That's barely enough room to sign rookies. Crazy...

badboy
03-30-2012, 10:41 PM
That's barely enough room to sign rookies. Crazy...I thought it had been well documented that money for draft had already been accounted for? Sort of like the $ set aside for Mario.

Dutchrudder
03-30-2012, 10:50 PM
I thought it had been well documented that money for draft had already been accounted for? Sort of like the $ set aside for Mario.

Ummm, I don't see anything on JLCs page that indicates he's accounting for rookie signing money. Seems to me like this is the amount of free money for each team. May have to cut someone else to save some cash if that is all we have.

SW H-TOWN
03-30-2012, 11:11 PM
I'm guessing many of those FA picked up last year were backloaded? ANother reason to move Assante.

per spotrac.com

Eagles Top 7 Contracts

Year Base S. Bon Misc. Bon Cap Hit

Vick 5 yr/$80,000,000
2011 13,000,000 1,400,000 - 14,400,000
2012 12,500,000 1,400,000 - 13,900,000
2013 12,500,000 1,400,000 3,000,000 16,900,000
2014 15,500,000 1,400,000 - 16,900,000
2015 16,500,000 1,400,000 - 17,900,000
2016 20,000,000 - - 20,000,000

Peters 6 yr/$60,657,000
2009 10,500,000 2,200,000 - 12,700,000
2010 12,690,000 2,200,000 - 14,890,000
2011 5,900,000 - 350,000 6,250,000
2012 7,900,000 - 350,000 8,250,000
2013 10,400,000 - 350,000 10,750,000
2014 9,650,000 - 350,000 10,000,000

Asomugha 5 yr/$60,000,000
2011 1,000,000 300,000 8,700,000 10,000,000
2012 11,000,000 300,000 - 11,300,000
2013 15,000,000 300,000 - 15,300,000
2014 12,000,000 300,000 - 12,300,000
2015 10,800,000 300,000 - 11,100,000

Samuel 6 yr/$59,475,000
2008 645,000 1,000,000 7,500,000 9,145,000
2009 1,900,000 1,000,000 7,100,000 10,000,000
2010 8,895,000 1,000,000 100,000 9,995,000
2011 5,900,000 1,000,000 2,435,000 9,335,000
2012 9,400,000 1,000,000 100,000 10,500,000
2013 11,400,000 1,000,000 100,000 12,500,000

Cole 6 yr/$59,300,000
2012 3,000,000 1,600,000 - 4,600,000
2013 3,500,000 1,600,000 - 5,100,000
2014 5,000,000 1,600,000 - 6,600,000
2015 10,000,000 1,600,000 - 11,600,000
2016 10,900,000 1,600,000 - 12,500,000
2017 13,900,000 - - 13,900,000

Jackson 5 yr/$51,000,000
2012 750,000 2,000,000 250,000 3,000,000
2013 6,750,000 2,000,000 250,000 9,000,000
2014 10,250,000 2,000,000 250,000 12,500,000
2015 9,750,000 2,000,000 250,000 12,000,000
2016 8,250,000 2,000,000 250,000 10,500,000

Ryans 6 yr/$48,000,000
2010 7,000,000 1,500,000 - 8,500,000
2011 5,800,000 1,500,000 362,500 7,662,500
2012 4,500,000 1,500,000 362,500 6,362,500
2013 6,600,000 1,500,000 362,500 8,462,500
2014 6,800,000 1,500,000 362,500 8,662,500
2015 6,800,000 - 362,500 7,162,500

Texans Top Salaries


Johnson 7 yr/$62,700,000
2010 5,800,000 560,000 2,428,571 8,788,571
2011 6,000,000 560,000 2,428,571 8,988,571
2012 700,000 1,720,000 2,428,571 4,848,571
2013 6,200,000 1,720,000 2,428,571 10,348,571
2014 6,500,000 1,720,000 2,428,571 10,648,571
2015 10,500,000 1,160,000 2,428,571 14,088,571
2016 11,000,000 1,160,000 2,428,571 14,588,571

Joseph 5 yr/$48,750,000
2012 7,250,000 2,500,000 - 9,750,000
2013 7,500,000 2,500,000 - 10,000,000
2014 7,500,000 2,500,000 - 10,000,000
2015 8,500,000 2,500,000 - 11,000,000

Schuab 6 yr/$48,000,000
2007 950,000 1,166,667 - 2,116,667
2008 4,950,000 1,166,667 - 6,116,667
2009 6,950,000 1,166,667 - 8,116,667
2010 4,500,000 1,166,667 10,000,000 15,666,667
2011 5,700,000 1,166,667 - 6,866,667
2012 7,150,000 1,166,667 - 8,316,667

Foster 5 yr/$43,500,000
2012 5,000,000 2,500,000 500,000 8,000,000
2013 5,250,000 2,500,000 500,000 8,250,000
2014 5,750,000 2,500,000 500,000 8,750,000
2015 6,000,000 2,500,000 500,000 9,000,000
2016 6,500,000 2,500,000 500,000 9,500,000

Smith 5 yr/$35,500,000
2009 4,600,000 2,500,000 - 7,100,000
2010 4,600,000 2,500,000 - 7,100,000
2011 4,600,000 2,500,000 - 7,100,000
2012 5,500,000 2,500,000 - 8,000,000
2013 6,000,000 2,500,000 - 8,500,000

Myers 4 yr/$25,000,000
2012 2,500,000 2,000,000 - 4,500,000
2013 3,500,000 2,000,000 - 5,500,000
2014 5,000,000 2,000,000 - 7,000,000
2015 6,000,000 2,000,000 - 8,000,000

Daniels 4 yr/$22,000,000
2011 6,500,000 - - 6,500,000
2012 3,500,000 - - 3,500,000
2013 4,000,000 - - 4,000,000
2014 4,500,000 - - 4,500,000

SW H-TOWN
03-30-2012, 11:14 PM
Had the numbers a lot cleaner than that before I hit submit reply, uff.

badboy
03-30-2012, 11:15 PM
Ummm, I don't see anything on JLCs page that indicates he's accounting for rookie signing money. Seems to me like this is the amount of free money for each team. May have to cut someone else to save some cash if that is all we have.He lists the team cap that has been noted before and several posts on other threads have said draft included. That's my understanding. I could easily be wrong but comments on cap are all over the place.

Dutchrudder
03-30-2012, 11:31 PM
He lists the team cap that has been noted before and several posts on other threads have said draft included. That's my understanding. I could easily be wrong but comments on cap are all over the place.

I wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised if the NFL hasn't figured out the amount of money for each team's rookie pool money. It hasn't been announced as far as I know, so I can only assume that it isn't being accounted for in these numbers.

Fili
03-30-2012, 11:41 PM
Bengals, playoff team with some money to blow...

Maddict5
03-31-2012, 05:12 AM
I wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised if the NFL hasn't figured out the amount of money for each team's rookie pool money. It hasn't been announced as far as I know, so I can only assume that it isn't being accounted for in these numbers.

i read a good piece that says ppl always overestimate the cap hit of rookies because they confuse rookie pool and cap. its makes sense when you think of how every rookie bar 1st rounders earn pretty small salaries/bonuses and since only the top 51 count towards the cap, either the later rookies dont even make the top 51 or if they do they knock one of the last guys off (who's hit would usually be in the 500k range), the difference to the cap is minimal.

take our 1st rounder in account, jimmy smith (ravens-26th pick in last yr draft) cap hit was 1.694 by my calc. when you take off the cap hit of the 51st guy on the team that he was knocking off, his impact on the cap was likely less than/~ 1m

ArlingtonTexan
03-31-2012, 08:52 AM
http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=7744901

lots of Rick Smith quotes in this. also, talks about the long-term issues with the cap.

EllisUnit
03-31-2012, 09:04 AM
Sounds like in the end the hard headedness of the players may of really bit them in the ass. In a few seasons pretty much every team will be up against the cap and all these "star" players will be accepting contracts for half of what they "think" they should get.

Serves them right IMO Some of us have jobs that make this country run, that make this country prosper, and we will never see that kinda money unless we hit the mega millions but with 157,000,000,000 odds i dont like my chances. These guys who play a "game" make some outrageous money 100 million to play a game, come on.

Personally i will love the day when all the teams are up against the cap and a player can either play for less or not play at all.

Playoffs
03-31-2012, 10:48 AM
http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=7744901
Wow. Anticipated salary cap numbers($millions) going forward:

2009 -- $123
2010 -- ?
2011 -- $120.375
2012 -- $120.6
2013 -- $120.9
2014 -- $121+
2015 -- $122

This explains everything.

steelbtexan
03-31-2012, 11:16 AM
Who the hell is the Eagles cap guru? The guy is money in the bank. I'm just gonna sign everybody to monster contracts, have a $10.9 million carryover, and come out $16 million under the cap, respect.

Yep

The Eagles have been manipulating the cap and draft for yrs. If they really want I guy they figure out how to get a deal done.

If I were BoB I would offer whatever it took to hire the Eagles cap guy. He's the Eagles biggest advantage within their division.

He figures out how to get deals done in FA. Other teams need to take a lesson from the way the Eagles are doing business.

PhilpW
03-31-2012, 11:44 AM
If you believe these numbers, New Orleans has $1,415,308.00.
How can they possibly sign Brees?

badboy
03-31-2012, 12:09 PM
Wow. Anticipated salary cap numbers($millions) going forward:

2009 -- $123
2010 -- ?
2011 -- $120.375
2012 -- $120.6
2013 -- $120.9
2014 -- $121+
2015 -- $122

This explains everything.Except where all that extra tv money is going to. Forget free agency; what about the escalators in most contracts that we kept hearing about that was effecting teams? Those contracts will continue to increase significantly and with most teams up against cap, what happens then? I am not a conspiracy nut but something still doesn't seem right.

SW H-TOWN
03-31-2012, 12:11 PM
Yep

The Eagles have been manipulating the cap and draft for yrs. If they really want I guy they figure out how to get a deal done.

If I were BoB I would offer whatever it took to hire the Eagles cap guy. He's the Eagles biggest advantage within their division.

He figures out how to get deals done in FA. Other teams need to take a lesson from the way the Eagles are doing business.

I posted the top 7 contracts from the Eagles and Texans (too much info to post) and I just don't get it. All of their top 7 contracts are equal to or greater than $48 million, and to my untrained eye I don't see back loading to a massive degree when compared to the Texans top contracts. It seems to me that both team's do it to to a certain degree but their players are payed a lot more. This is when I shake my head.

SW H-TOWN
03-31-2012, 12:19 PM
Wow. Anticipated salary cap numbers($millions) going forward:

2009 -- $123
2010 -- ?
2011 -- $120.375
2012 -- $120.6
2013 -- $120.9
2014 -- $121+
2015 -- $122

This explains everything.

Either we are missing something or the owners took the NFLPA to the cleaners.

The Pencil Neck
03-31-2012, 01:50 PM
Either we are missing something or the owners took the NFLPA to the cleaners.

We are always missing something.

I don't trust or believe any cap information I see posted anywhere. To me, the whole thing fits into the "It's a Mystery" category along with the compensatory pick logic. I know lots of guys on here try to figure out how expensive different players are and how much cap space everyone has and all that but I don't think it's really possible to know that stuff from our vantage point. We simply do not have access to the correct information.

welsh texan
03-31-2012, 02:01 PM
Wow. Anticipated salary cap numbers($millions) going forward:

2009 -- $123
2010 -- ?
2011 -- $120.375
2012 -- $120.6
2013 -- $120.9
2014 -- $121+
2015 -- $122

This explains everything.

2 things here, number 1 is that the AJ contract is going to really hurt us next offseason if these figures are true, thats going to be an extra ~$8m over his hit this year which will wipe out that DeMeco move more or less.

Number 2, if this is true, the owners have royally shafted the players in the CBA, no matter how you look at it, we saw the players excited that they were pushing the cap limit up by 25% over x number of years when in reality it will have fallen slightly. Thats gotta hurt.

SW H-TOWN
03-31-2012, 02:22 PM
Either we are missing something or the owners took the NFLPA to the cleaners.

We are always missing something.

I don't trust or believe any cap information I see posted anywhere. To me, the whole thing fits into the "It's a Mystery" category along with the compensatory pick logic. I know lots of guys on here try to figure out how expensive different players are and how much cap space everyone has and all that but I don't think it's really possible to know that stuff from our vantage point. We simply do not have access to the correct information.

Very good point.

Dutchrudder
03-31-2012, 03:13 PM
i read a good piece that says ppl always overestimate the cap hit of rookies because they confuse rookie pool and cap. its makes sense when you think of how every rookie bar 1st rounders earn pretty small salaries/bonuses and since only the top 51 count towards the cap, either the later rookies dont even make the top 51 or if they do they knock one of the last guys off (who's hit would usually be in the 500k range), the difference to the cap is minimal.

take our 1st rounder in account, jimmy smith (ravens-26th pick in last yr draft) cap hit was 1.694 by my calc. when you take off the cap hit of the 51st guy on the team that he was knocking off, his impact on the cap was likely less than/~ 1m

Well when the season starts the cap includes the top 53 players. At 500k min each, that's another 1 million off the cap. If a bunch of minimum guys get replaced by rookies then it probably is mostly a wash. The 1st round pick will probably add another million to the cap over the guy that gets cut in his place, so we're probably looking at 2 million more added to the cap this year due to rookies. That's feasible given the numbers, but I won't be surprised if we see Jacoby and Shaun Cody cut before the season starts. Even if we don't need that space this year, we will need it in 2013.

Dutchrudder
03-31-2012, 03:15 PM
If you believe these numbers, New Orleans has $1,415,308.00.
How can they possibly sign Brees?

Brees was franchise tagged, so he is currently counting about 16 million against their cap. Obviously they can't give him the 23 mill a year that he wants, but maybe they will work something out.

GP
03-31-2012, 03:47 PM
We are always missing something.

I don't trust or believe any cap information I see posted anywhere. To me, the whole thing fits into the "It's a Mystery" category along with the compensatory pick logic. I know lots of guys on here try to figure out how expensive different players are and how much cap space everyone has and all that but I don't think it's really possible to know that stuff from our vantage point. We simply do not have access to the correct information.

Exactly.

I think we have enough to get through the draft, then we'll see some guys (JJ) get cut post-June 1st if necessary.

We got enough to pay the bills and buy the groceries for a month.

Playoffs
03-31-2012, 04:12 PM
We're into a little trade window here. Wouldn't shock me if Texans do something.

G27RR
03-31-2012, 07:52 PM
I wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised if the NFL hasn't figured out the amount of money for each team's rookie pool money. It hasn't been announced as far as I know, so I can only assume that it isn't being accounted for in these numbers.

They would know the total rookie pool about two minutes after knowing the total salary cap for the year. The total rookie pool is increased by a simple formula tied to the % increase of the total cap.

They may or may not have had the amount per team figured yet, because it would be more involved, but it wouldn't surprise me if they did, or at least held the estimated amount from each team's indiviudal cap.

No reason they couldn't revise it if necessary as the draft approaches, which they will have to do to deal with traded picks and all that anyway.

If I were running a business and knew I'd need $4-$6M to pay for something in the next six months, I would keep put an estimate down as unavailable for anything else even before I knew the exact amount. It makes more sense than possibly overcommitting by mistake and having to scramble and potentially lose more than you gained by not setting it aside.