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beerlover
03-26-2012, 11:56 AM
First Round (#26): Dont’a Hightower, LB, Alabama
Height: 6’2″
Weight: 263

Versatility finally swayed my selection for Texans losing both Mario Williams & DeMeco Ryans. Incredible athlete, speed, size and strength are all there – Moves very well laterally in the box – Excellent instincts lead him to the ball very quickly – Reads and reacts with speed – Drops into coverage well, sees routes as they happen in zone – Delivers hits with the best of them – Can shed blocks inside and make the tackle – Dynamic pass-rusher when asked to play on the edge – Best fit as a 3-4 SOLB, but can play 3-4 ILB as well. thus killing two critical needs with top pick.

Second Round (#58): Brian Quick, WR, Appalachian State
Height: 6’3
Weight: 222 lbs.

A big, physical WR… uses his size and physical ability to make plays deep down the field… excellent athlete who has a long stride…he’s able to eat up cushions in zone coverage…Tracks the ball very well over his shoulder…has excellent body control in the air to adjust to balls that are off target…maybe closest to Andre Johnson body type in entire draft.

Third Round (#76): Mike Martin, DT/NT, Michigan
Height: 6’1″ 1/4
Weight: 307

Creates penetration from 3-technique – Battles hard on every play, extremely powerful at point of impact – Great balance, keeps his hips under him and generates a lot of his power – Very strong use of hands – Can simply wear down opposing linemen with his strength, 36 reps combine. Excels in hand to hand combat - wrestling experience serves him well - plays through the whistle which fits Wade Phillips scheme with players like Watt/Reed. Tried out several prospects as possible fits with flip flopped pick acquired from Eagles. Several quality picks to choose from but I kept coming back to a Mike because he has the potential to be a long term anchor inside Wade Phillips 3-4 defense.

Fourth Round (#99): T.Y. Hilton, WR, Florida International
Height: 5’10″
Weight: 183

Hilton is primarily a slot WR, but is used all over the field in a number of different formations – Consistantly creates separation between himself and defenders. One of the best returnmen in the draft, contributes as both a kick and punt returner and has even played Wildcat QB in certain situations – Set Sun Belt record for receiving and all purpose yards. Texans must upgrade special team return game.

Fourth Round (#26): Levy Adcock, OT, Oklahoma State
Height: 6'5"
Weight: 322

Tough - competitive - sound technique -natural athleticism, knee bend and fluid lateral movement to fit ZBS. Played LT for Weeden, OSU. Projects to RT in NFL. Has enough size/strength to kick inside to play either LG or RG adding value with versatility. All-Big 12 Conference First Team. Willing to attack and punches multiple times to finish the play. Quick to pick up edge blitz and shows no panic, easily adjusting angles and resetting his feet. Can recover and reset his anchor. Rarely late off the snap.

Fifth Round (#161): Mike Brewster, OC, Ohio State
Height: 6’4″
Weight: 310

Just want to see the competition between Mike & Mike in practice. Can they co-exist? bottom line what doesn't kill you makes you stronger, thus Texans could wind up with two quality starting interior players out of sheer hate for one another giving Texans the edge in any match-up. Solid, experienced technician, wouldn't mind if Rick Smith traded up to get him either, get er' done Rick.

Sixth Round (#195): Randy Bullock, K, Texas A&M
Height: 5'09"
Weight: 205
(like it matters)

Improved leg strength & accuracy every year (four year starter). Aggie big plus. Can step up & handle pressure next level. Lou Groza Award as college football's top kicker last season. Connected on 25-of-28 fields and 52-54 extra points, both school records. Career-long is a 52-yarder which is right about Neil Rackers max now, with potential to increase leg strength another 5-8 yards.

Seventh Round (#233): David Paulson, TE, Oregon
Height: 6'3"
Weight: 246

Complete all around TE much in the mold of recently departed Joel Dreessen. Plus blocker - good route runner - great hands - All-Pac-12 second team & very good conditioned. improved his results from the Combine in virtually every category, especially the all-important 40-yard dash running 4.66 and 4.71 seconds. He also added an inch in the vertical jump (33") and three inches broad jump (9'5"). Fits Kubiak offense. solid late round value.

tielahr
03-26-2012, 12:09 PM
First Round: Dont’a Hightower, LB, Alabama
Height: 6’4″
Weight: 255

Versatility finally swayed my selection for Texans losing both Mario Williams & DeMeco Ryans. Incredible athlete, speed, size and strength are all there – Moves very well laterally in the box – Excellent instincts lead him to the ball very quickly – Reads and reacts with speed – Drops into coverage well, sees routes as they happen in zone – Delivers hits with the best of them – Can shed blocks inside and make the tackle – Dynamic pass-rusher when asked to play on the edge – Best fit as a 3-4 SOLB, but can play 3-4 ILB as well. thus killing two critical needs with top pick.

Second Round: Brian Quick, WR, Appalachian State
Height: 6’3
Weight: 222 lbs.

A big, physical WR… uses his size and physical ability to make plays deep down the field… excellent athlete who has a long stride…he’s able to eat up cushions in zone coverage…Tracks the ball very well over his shoulder…has excellent body control in the air to adjust to balls that are off target…maybe closest to Andre Johnson body type in entire draft.

Third Round: Mike Martin, DT/NT, Michigan
Height: 6’1″ 1/4
Weight: 307

Creates penetration from 3-technique – Battles hard on every play, extremely powerful at point of impact – Great balance, keeps his hips under him and generates a lot of his power – Very strong use of hands – Can simply wear down opposing linemen with his strength, 36 reps combine. Excels in hand to hand combat - wrestling experience serves him well - plays through the whistle which fits Wade Phillips scheme with players like Watt/Reed. Tried out several prospects as possible fits with flip flopped pick acquired from Eagles. Several quality picks to choose from but I kept coming back to a Mike because he has the potential to be a long term anchor inside Wade Phillips 3-4 defense.

Fourth Round: T.Y. Hilton, WR, Florida International
Height: 5’10″
Weight: 183

Hilton is primarily a slot WR, but is used all over the field in a number of different formations – Consistantly creates separation between himself and defenders. One of the best returnmen in the draft, contributes as both a kick and punt returner and has even played Wildcat QB in certain situations – Set Sun Belt record for receiving and all purpose yards. Texans must upgrade special team return game.

Fourth Round: Levy Adcock, OT, Oklahoma State
Height: 6'5"
Weight: 322

Tough - competitive - sound technique -natural athleticism, knee bend and fluid lateral movement to fit ZBS. Played LT for Weeden, OSU. Projects to RT in NFL. Has enough size/strength to kick inside to play either LG or RG adding value with versatility. All-Big 12 Conference First Team. Willing to attack and punches multiple times to finish the play. Quick to pick up edge blitz and shows no panic, easily adjusting angles and resetting his feet. Can recover and reset his anchor. Rarely late off the snap.

Fifth Round: Mike Brewster, OC, Ohio State
Height: 6’4″
Weight: 310

Just want to see the competition between Mike & Mike in practice. Can they co-exist? bottom line what doesn't kill you makes you stronger, thus Texans could wind up with two quality starting interior players out of sheer hate for one another giving Texans the edge in any match-up. Solid, experienced technician, wouldn't mind if Rick Smith traded up to get him either, get er' done Rick.

Sixth Round: David Paulson, TE, Oregon
Height: 6'3"
Weight: 246

Complete all around TE much in the mold of recently departed Joel Dreessen. Plus blocker - good route runner - great hands - All-Pac-12 second team & very good conditioned. improved his results from the Combine in virtually every category, especially the all-important 40-yard dash running 4.66 and 4.71 seconds. He also added an inch in the vertical jump (33") and three inches broad jump (9'5"). Fits Kubiak offense. solid late round value.

Seventh Round: Randy Bullock, K, Texas A&M
Height: 5'09"
Weight: 205
(like it matters)

Improved leg strength & accuracy every year (four year starter). Aggie big plus. Can step up & handle pressure next level. Lou Groza Award as college football's top kicker last season. Connected on 25-of-28 fields and 52-54 extra points, both school records. Career-long is a 52-yarder which is right about Neil Rackers max now, with potential to increase leg strength another 5-8 yards.

very solid imo. Few questions though. By the time texans select in the 2nd round are we assuming Alshon, Sanu, Hill, Wright, Blackmon, and Floyd are all gone? Some of those being no brainers.

edit: That seemed like a lot of receivers when I named them out in my head >.>

beerlover
03-26-2012, 12:20 PM
very solid imo. Few questions though. By the time texans select in the 2nd round are we assuming Alshon, Sanu, Hill, Wright, Blackmon, and Floyd are all gone? Some of those being no brainers.

edit: That seemed like a lot of receivers when I named them out in my head >.>

none of those WR's you mentioned are projected to still be available late 2nd. three are solidly in first (Blackmon, Floyd, Wright) & Hill, Sanu & Alshon are all borderline first early second.

Wolf6151
03-26-2012, 12:27 PM
I'd take Marvin Jones -WR in the 2nd and since our 3rd is earlier now I'd take Josh Chapman-DT. Hightower never makes it past Pittsburgh, they're drooling over him. I like the rest of it, good players and good value.

pbat488
03-26-2012, 12:31 PM
love love love the 3rd and 4th pick. not sure how I feel about hightower but it's kind of a weird spot to be drafting based on our needs and value of players there imo.

can totally get behind this draft though, nice work as always.

beerlover
03-26-2012, 12:50 PM
I'd take Marvin Jones -WR in the 2nd and since our 3rd is earlier now I'd take Josh Chapman-DT. Hightower never makes it past Pittsburgh, they're drooling over him. I like the rest of it, good players and good value.

I prefer a bigger/physical body, like Quick. speaking of drooling, would love to see how he responds working the Andre Johnson, has the tools to become elite & possibly the Texans #1 WR when Andre retires.

beerlover
03-26-2012, 12:53 PM
love love love the 3rd and 4th pick. not sure how I feel about hightower but it's kind of a weird spot to be drafting based on our needs and value of players there imo.

can totally get behind this draft though, nice work as always.

thanks, I really the combination of Martin against Brewster. the fact they would push each other is very intriguing. If Butler is in fact the Texans starting RT then I give Adcock an edge to win the starting RG position, seems like a more athletic version of Brisel.

rmartin65
03-26-2012, 01:16 PM
First Round: Dont’a Hightower, LB, Alabama
Height: 6’4″
Weight: 255


Second Round: Brian Quick, WR, Appalachian State
Height: 6’3
Weight: 222 lbs.



Third Round: Mike Martin, DT/NT, Michigan
Height: 6’1″ 1/4
Weight: 307


Fourth Round: T.Y. Hilton, WR, Florida International
Height: 5’10″
Weight: 183


Fourth Round: Levy Adcock, OT, Oklahoma State
Height: 6'5"
Weight: 322


Fifth Round: Mike Brewster, OC, Ohio State
Height: 6’4″
Weight: 310


Sixth Round: David Paulson, TE, Oregon
Height: 6'3"
Weight: 246

Seventh Round: Randy Bullock, K, Texas A&M
Height: 5'09"
Weight: 205
(like it matters)


Nice draft!

1) Hightower, I like it. Good player, versatile, day 1 starter inside.

2) Quick is interesting. He never stood out to me when I was going through my small school rankings. I should not say never, he stood out, just not like a projected 2nd day pick should. I am not a fan of this pick.

3) Martin, I love it!

4) Hilton, I like the player, and I like the position. Excellent pick.

4) Adcock, I know you like this guy, and I am on board. Seems like a good fit on this team.

5) Brewster is a good player. I have been fortunate enough to watch him the last couple years, and he is definitely an NFL player. Will he be here this late is my only question.

6) I know you like this guy, and while TE is not a pressing need, we could use the depth. I probably would have gone another direction, but I would be cool should this pick happen.

7) Hell yea, a kicker.

badboy
03-26-2012, 01:55 PM
Quick is the only disagreement I have as I prefer others but would not scream if he was selection. As always, excellent work. Most don't realize Hightower can play both LBs and should be a starter replacing Ryans day 1.

NCTexan
03-26-2012, 02:09 PM
Do you think Randy Bullock is going to be there for us in the 7th? I've read a lot that if we want him we need to grab him in the 6th because he is most likely gone by out 7th round pick.

skenney_11
03-26-2012, 02:24 PM
I like this draft except for the 2nd round pick. I would trade down to STL for Wash's #2 and STL's #3. With Wash's #2 we get Hightower, with our #2, we get Konz/Zeitler/Sanders whoever is left then. Then with STL's #, we get Ryan Broyles

Bubbajwp
03-26-2012, 02:24 PM
I love this mock Beerlover.

Its extremely close to what I have been thinking maybe I will post one later.

IMO B Quick is underrated by most

Dutchrudder
03-26-2012, 02:24 PM
I like it, but I would change a couple things:

2nd) Change Quick to Brandon Thompson NT Clemson

3rd) Change to Quick (I don't think he will be a 2nd round pick and ought to make it to the Philly 3rd)

Swap your 6th and 7th round picks, as Bullock won't be there at the end of the 7th, and may go higher. He's the highest rated kicker and there's always one team that takes a kicker too early. The Eagles took Alex Henry in the 4th last year.

Other than that, I would say it's a great draft. I like the positions and the values. I'm getting on board the Hightower train since Demeco left, and I think he would be a perfect fit in our D. I can't approve of the trade up scenarios for Keuchly.

bah007
03-26-2012, 03:37 PM
I think Quick is very underrated at this point. And I think he is certainly deserving of a 2nd round pick. I would be ecstatic with that pick.

SW H-TOWN
03-26-2012, 04:05 PM
First Round: Dont’a Hightower, LB, Alabama
Height: 6’4″
Weight: 255

Versatility finally swayed my selection for Texans losing both Mario Williams & DeMeco Ryans. Incredible athlete, speed, size and strength are all there – Moves very well laterally in the box – Excellent instincts lead him to the ball very quickly – Reads and reacts with speed – Drops into coverage well, sees routes as they happen in zone – Delivers hits with the best of them – Can shed blocks inside and make the tackle – Dynamic pass-rusher when asked to play on the edge – Best fit as a 3-4 SOLB, but can play 3-4 ILB as well. thus killing two critical needs with top pick.

Second Round: Brian Quick, WR, Appalachian State
Height: 6’3
Weight: 222 lbs.

A big, physical WR… uses his size and physical ability to make plays deep down the field… excellent athlete who has a long stride…he’s able to eat up cushions in zone coverage…Tracks the ball very well over his shoulder…has excellent body control in the air to adjust to balls that are off target…maybe closest to Andre Johnson body type in entire draft.

Third Round: Mike Martin, DT/NT, Michigan
Height: 6’1″ 1/4
Weight: 307

Creates penetration from 3-technique – Battles hard on every play, extremely powerful at point of impact – Great balance, keeps his hips under him and generates a lot of his power – Very strong use of hands – Can simply wear down opposing linemen with his strength, 36 reps combine. Excels in hand to hand combat - wrestling experience serves him well - plays through the whistle which fits Wade Phillips scheme with players like Watt/Reed. Tried out several prospects as possible fits with flip flopped pick acquired from Eagles. Several quality picks to choose from but I kept coming back to a Mike because he has the potential to be a long term anchor inside Wade Phillips 3-4 defense.

Fourth Round: T.Y. Hilton, WR, Florida International
Height: 5’10″
Weight: 183

Hilton is primarily a slot WR, but is used all over the field in a number of different formations – Consistantly creates separation between himself and defenders. One of the best returnmen in the draft, contributes as both a kick and punt returner and has even played Wildcat QB in certain situations – Set Sun Belt record for receiving and all purpose yards. Texans must upgrade special team return game.

Fourth Round: Levy Adcock, OT, Oklahoma State
Height: 6'5"
Weight: 322

Tough - competitive - sound technique -natural athleticism, knee bend and fluid lateral movement to fit ZBS. Played LT for Weeden, OSU. Projects to RT in NFL. Has enough size/strength to kick inside to play either LG or RG adding value with versatility. All-Big 12 Conference First Team. Willing to attack and punches multiple times to finish the play. Quick to pick up edge blitz and shows no panic, easily adjusting angles and resetting his feet. Can recover and reset his anchor. Rarely late off the snap.

Fifth Round: Mike Brewster, OC, Ohio State
Height: 6’4″
Weight: 310

Just want to see the competition between Mike & Mike in practice. Can they co-exist? bottom line what doesn't kill you makes you stronger, thus Texans could wind up with two quality starting interior players out of sheer hate for one another giving Texans the edge in any match-up. Solid, experienced technician, wouldn't mind if Rick Smith traded up to get him either, get er' done Rick.

Sixth Round: David Paulson, TE, Oregon
Height: 6'3"
Weight: 246

Complete all around TE much in the mold of recently departed Joel Dreessen. Plus blocker - good route runner - great hands - All-Pac-12 second team & very good conditioned. improved his results from the Combine in virtually every category, especially the all-important 40-yard dash running 4.66 and 4.71 seconds. He also added an inch in the vertical jump (33") and three inches broad jump (9'5"). Fits Kubiak offense. solid late round value.

Seventh Round: Randy Bullock, K, Texas A&M
Height: 5'09"
Weight: 205
(like it matters)

Improved leg strength & accuracy every year (four year starter). Aggie big plus. Can step up & handle pressure next level. Lou Groza Award as college football's top kicker last season. Connected on 25-of-28 fields and 52-54 extra points, both school records. Career-long is a 52-yarder which is right about Neil Rackers max now, with potential to increase leg strength another 5-8 yards.

I like it, but I would change a couple things:

2nd) Change Quick to Brandon Thompson NT Clemson

3rd) Change to Quick (I don't think he will be a 2nd round pick and ought to make it to the Philly 3rd)

Swap your 6th and 7th round picks, as Bullock won't be there at the end of the 7th, and may go higher. He's the highest rated kicker and there's always one team that takes a kicker too early. The Eagles took Alex Henry in the 4th last year.

Other than that, I would say it's a great draft. I like the positions and the values. I'm getting on board the Hightower train since Demeco left, and I think he would be a perfect fit in our D. I can't approve of the trade up scenarios for Keuchly.

I'm with Dutch on the second round selection. Nobody has Thompson listed as a NT but he would be a perfect fit in our system. Love Thompson in the second.

1st. Hightower - great pick, like you said 2 birds with one stone, and like my man who likes the Boston University MLB said day one starter. It is also more probable that he will be available. The Steelers just lost their Gay to the Cardinals and Ike Taylor sucks. The probability of the Steelers picking a CB early just increased a lot.

2nd. Quick - Like the pick, just not in the second. I would not be suprised if he is available in the 4th. He had a bad combine and is a from a small school. However he does have excellent size and production. BRANDON THOMPSON.

3. Martin - I really like this pick but Thompson is just better. If it were not for Brandon Thompson being a perfect pick I would say hell yes. Might go with Jared Crick or BPA with this pick.

4. Hilton - This is where I would draft Quick.

5. Brewster - He got beat multiple times in one on one drills and showed displayed heavy feet at the combine. He also got beat abused when playing against Penn State. I would actually pick Broyles here and wait on him, he is very good and would have gone a lot higher if it were not for his injury. At this point in the draft I think he is worth the risk and we put rookies on IR all the time.

6. Paulson - Slow TE and we are pretty deep at that position. Casey can play TE and a really bad senior season. This is where I would pick a interior lineman. Historically undersized linemen slip in the draft. I would consider a guy like Adam Gettis, Jaymes Brooks, or Joe Looney. I know these guys are guards but I think that guard is a greater need since Caldwell can play center. Gettis can also play center.

7. Bullock - Great pick

SW H-TOWN
03-26-2012, 04:17 PM
Wow, I forgot to put the OT in round 4. I think that the OT from Oklahoma State is not very athletic. I would pick James Brown or Mitchell Schwartz(probably gone) in this spot and Quick with the second fourth round pick in your draft. Got to thinking about some picks and did not address your second pick in the fourth round.

aussie_texan
03-26-2012, 06:58 PM
as everyone has said well designed mock with could players in each round nicely done.

just a quick one,

is anyone a little concerned about martins height his 6.1 ideally you would prefer him to be closer to 6.4 6.5?? thoughts??

beerlover
03-26-2012, 07:58 PM
Wow, I forgot to put the OT in round 4. I think that the OT from Oklahoma State is not very athletic. I would pick James Brown or Mitchell Schwartz(probably gone) in this spot and Quick with the second fourth round pick in your draft. Got to thinking about some picks and did not address your second pick in the fourth round.

Brown draft stock has risen to a 3rd rd. grade. Martin height not a concern all about getting leverage & staying low something learned early on in wrestling.

beerlover
03-26-2012, 09:04 PM
I think Quick is very underrated at this point. And I think he is certainly deserving of a 2nd round pick. I would be ecstatic with that pick.

I've noticed over the years you have an excellent eye for talent, so that means a lot to me cause it was a very difficult pick to make knowing full well he wouldn't excatly be well received. :shades:

SW H-TOWN
03-26-2012, 09:47 PM
I don't think Martin's height will be a problem either. He is built like a box and if he can get his pad level lower he can win a lot of battles. I think that James Brown will be around in the early 4th but I could be wrong. I'm going to post a mock, you guys can tear it up.

Lucky
03-26-2012, 10:34 PM
First Round: Dont’a Hightower, LB, Alabama
Height: 6’4″
Weight: 255
Best fit as a 3-4 SOLB, but can play 3-4 ILB as well. thus killing two critical needs with top pick.
First, Hightower measured 6'2" at the combine with 32" arms. Not a good candidate for 3-4 OLB (though there are OLBs who fit that profile). Second, no NFL team will try to teach a rookie 2 different positions. There's just not enough reps to get him ready. So if Hightower is drafted by the Texans, it's likely to be an ILB. And I just don't see them taking an ILB in the 1st round.

beerlover
03-27-2012, 12:08 AM
First, Hightower measured 6'2" at the combine with 32" arms. Not a good candidate for 3-4 OLB (though there are OLBs who fit that profile). Second, no NFL team will try to teach a rookie 2 different positions. There's just not enough reps to get him ready. So if Hightower is drafted by the Texans, it's likely to be an ILB. And I just don't see them taking an ILB in the 1st round.

Not a good candidate for 3-4 OLB? Tell that to Brooks Reed. Point is his primary position will be ILB. His athletic ability & skill set allow Wade to move him around, as he's apt to do sometimes in outside pass rushing situations, just another position he could cover due to injury or unforseen circumstance.

One more thing, don't get stuck on tags. End of first, first of second all pretty much similar talent, wasn't DeMeco in fact the first selection overall of the second round in 2006. Got get over that if you want to draft bpa @ a position of need :cheese:

WolverineFan
03-27-2012, 12:32 AM
First, Hightower measured 6'2" at the combine with 32" arms. Not a good candidate for 3-4 OLB (though there are OLBs who fit that profile). Second, no NFL team will try to teach a rookie 2 different positions. There's just not enough reps to get him ready. So if Hightower is drafted by the Texans, it's likely to be an ILB. And I just don't see them taking an ILB in the 1st round.

I think what BL is saying is he's going to take over at ILB for DeMeco, but instead of coming off the field as much as DeMeco did on 3rd downs and Nickel situations he would be that 3rd pass rushing LB along with Barwin and Reed. He has the skills to do so.

I'm actually warming to the idea of Hightower although I don't see ILB as a huge need. I'm more than comfortable with Sharpton starting and drafting a mid-round guy for depth.

Yaky
03-27-2012, 01:04 AM
Hightower has very poor agility, no way he can play as 3-4 OLB. He avoided the agility drills at the combine, and there was a very good reason for that.

At his pro day, his 3-cone was 7.55, short shuttle was 4.68. Very poor agility numbers for a LB. Many OLs had better 3cone and SS at the combine. He will be exposed in man coverage in the NFL.

A LB who cannot play all 3 downs is not worth a first round pick, especially in this pass-happy league.

TimeKiller
03-27-2012, 07:32 AM
Like that you went out on a limb for Hightower. I think he makes it into the backend of a solid rotation but I have doubts about him staying on the field for 3rd downs. I like Quick, probably could catch him at the top of the 3rd. Dislike the Martin pick, I think he's a rotational run plugger and not much more, certainly don't believe he's a gap shooter. Much rather have Chapman if available. Hilton is a good pick to replace JJones. The rest are meh, like the kicker though. Fairly realistic mock, good job BL.

steelbtexan
03-27-2012, 08:58 AM
Love this mock,

Only pick I disagree with is Quick. Give me Jones in the 2nd or Childs in the 3rd.

I would like to see a LB or CB in the later rds for depth purposes. But cant find a spot to put one. That is a sign that this is a great mock.

I'm going to do a mock after the TT mock. Check it out and tell me what you think.

beerlover
03-27-2012, 09:27 AM
Love this mock,

Only pick I disagree with is Quick. Give me Jones in the 2nd or Childs in the 3rd.

I would like to see a LB or CB in the later rds for depth purposes. But cant find a spot to put one. That is a sign that this is a great mock.

I'm going to do a mock after the TT mock. Check it out and tell me what you think.

thanks, big guy, but then you & me tend to think alike :handshake:

here is Dont'a Hightower official combine page - http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/dont'a-hightower?id=2533057

this is what I'm sensing in his game as well- Hightower can do many of the same things that Oakland's Rolando McClain or New England's Brandon Spikes did working as the physical inside presence of a defense. Hightower could be a better fit within a 3-4 scheme, as he has the size to shed big offensive linemen who would work free to block him in the run game.

If there is a better ILB option for the Texans (excluding trading up for Luke Kuechly) then I'm all ears :brando: I remain adamant & fastidious that Texans must improve existing gap in middle of this current fine, budding Wade Phillips defense :wadepalm:

beerlover
03-27-2012, 09:28 AM
I think what BL is saying is he's going to take over at ILB for DeMeco, but instead of coming off the field as much as DeMeco did on 3rd downs and Nickel situations he would be that 3rd pass rushing LB along with Barwin and Reed. He has the skills to do so.

I'm actually warming to the idea of Hightower although I don't see ILB as a huge need. I'm more than comfortable with Sharpton starting and drafting a mid-round guy for depth.

yes sir, you nailed it. just added value to the pick & traditionally you like to have a bigger body @ ILB in a 3-4

beerlover
03-27-2012, 09:53 AM
The selection order is official, including compensatory picks, per Rob Rang so wanted to include the pick number, should be useful for other users as well. Thanks for all your feedback, made adjustment off combine to Hightower, Quick & Brewster height/weight measurements. Bumped Bullock up to 6th & Paulson down to the 7th. One last note, the 4th rounder acquired in trade with Philadelphia was actually Tampa Bays pick so it's actually top of the 4th instead of the middle (#114). Now back to the draft :whip:

First Round (#26): Dont’a Hightower, LB, Alabama
Height: 6’2″
Weight: 263

Versatility finally swayed my selection for Texans losing both Mario Williams & DeMeco Ryans. Incredible athlete, speed, size and strength are all there – Moves very well laterally in the box – Excellent instincts lead him to the ball very quickly – Reads and reacts with speed – Drops into coverage well, sees routes as they happen in zone – Delivers hits with the best of them – Can shed blocks inside and make the tackle – Dynamic pass-rusher when asked to play on the edge – Best fit as a 3-4 SOLB, but can play 3-4 ILB as well. thus killing two critical needs with top pick.

Second Round (#58): Brian Quick, WR, Appalachian State
Height: 6’4
Weight: 220 lbs.

A big, physical WR… uses his size and physical ability to make plays deep down the field… excellent athlete who has a long stride…he’s able to eat up cushions in zone coverage…Tracks the ball very well over his shoulder…has excellent body control in the air to adjust to balls that are off target…maybe closest to Andre Johnson body type in entire draft.

Third Round (#76): Mike Martin, DT/NT, Michigan
Height: 6’1″ 1/4
Weight: 307

Creates penetration from 3-technique – Battles hard on every play, extremely powerful at point of impact – Great balance, keeps his hips under him and generates a lot of his power – Very strong use of hands – Can simply wear down opposing linemen with his strength, 36 reps combine. Excels in hand to hand combat - wrestling experience serves him well - plays through the whistle which fits Wade Phillips scheme with players like Watt/Reed. Tried out several prospects as possible fits with flip flopped pick acquired from Eagles. Several quality picks to choose from but I kept coming back to a Mike because he has the potential to be a long term anchor inside Wade Phillips 3-4 defense.

Fourth Round (#99): T.Y. Hilton, WR, Florida International
Height: 5’10″
Weight: 183

Hilton is primarily a slot WR, but is used all over the field in a number of different formations – Consistantly creates separation between himself and defenders. One of the best returnmen in the draft, contributes as both a kick and punt returner and has even played Wildcat QB in certain situations – Set Sun Belt record for receiving and all purpose yards. Texans must upgrade special team return game.

Fourth Round (#26): Levy Adcock, OT, Oklahoma State
Height: 6'5"
Weight: 322

Tough - competitive - sound technique -natural athleticism, knee bend and fluid lateral movement to fit ZBS. Played LT for Weeden, OSU. Projects to RT in NFL. Has enough size/strength to kick inside to play either LG or RG adding value with versatility. All-Big 12 Conference First Team. Willing to attack and punches multiple times to finish the play. Quick to pick up edge blitz and shows no panic, easily adjusting angles and resetting his feet. Can recover and reset his anchor. Rarely late off the snap.

Fifth Round (#161): Mike Brewster, OC, Ohio State
Height: 6’2″
Weight: 312

Just want to see the competition between Mike & Mike in practice. Can they co-exist? bottom line what doesn't kill you makes you stronger, thus Texans could wind up with two quality starting interior players out of sheer hate for one another giving Texans the edge in any match-up. Solid, experienced technician, wouldn't mind if Rick Smith traded up to get him either, get er' done Rick.

Sixth Round (#195): Randy Bullock, K, Texas A&M
Height: 5'09"
Weight: 205
(like it matters)

Improved leg strength & accuracy every year (four year starter). Aggie big plus. Can step up & handle pressure next level. Lou Groza Award as college football's top kicker last season. Connected on 25-of-28 fields and 52-54 extra points, both school records. Career-long is a 52-yarder which is right about Neil Rackers max now, with potential to increase leg strength another 5-8 yards.

Seventh Round (#233): David Paulson, TE, Oregon
Height: 6'3"
Weight: 246

Complete all around TE much in the mold of recently departed Joel Dreessen. Plus blocker - good route runner - great hands - All-Pac-12 second team & very good conditioned. improved his results from the Combine in virtually every category, especially the all-important 40-yard dash running 4.66 and 4.71 seconds. He also added an inch in the vertical jump (33") and three inches broad jump (9'5"). Fits Kubiak offense. solid late round value.

SW H-TOWN
03-27-2012, 10:43 AM
If we drafted Hightower he could play OLB but he would probably be behind Braman on the depth chart. I think he could fill that role but his primary role would surely be taking Ryans spot.

beerlover
03-27-2012, 12:37 PM
If we drafted Hightower he could play OLB but he would probably be behind Braman on the depth chart. I think he could fill that role but his primary role would surely be taking Ryans spot.

Like Braman's length & ability to redirect, change of direction but if Texans go to nickle & use three to rush I would choose Hightower all day!

Lucky
03-27-2012, 11:38 PM
I think what BL is saying is he's going to take over at ILB for DeMeco, but instead of coming off the field as much as DeMeco did on 3rd downs and Nickel situations he would be that 3rd pass rushing LB along with Barwin and Reed. He has the skills to do so.
So whom is Hightower replacing on 3rd down? Watt? Antonio Smith? Cushing? Hightower is a better pass rusher than these guys? I don't think so.

beerlover
03-27-2012, 11:45 PM
So whom is Hightower replacing on 3rd down? Watt? Antonio Smith? Cushing? Hightower is a better pass rusher than these guys? I don't think so.

You've already forgotten about Mario Williams :vincepalm:

Lucky
03-27-2012, 11:49 PM
You've already forgotten about Mario Williams :vincepalm:
Huh? Brooks Reed replaced Mario. Hightower is a 3-4 ILB. He has 5 sacks total in his career. His value is on the inside, and he would be replaced by a CB on passing downs. If that's the case, why would the Texans use a 1st round pick on Hightower?

beerlover
03-28-2012, 12:00 AM
Huh? Brooks Reed replaced Mario. Hightower is a 3-4 ILB. He has 5 sacks total in his career. His value is on the inside, and he would be replaced by a CB on passing downs. If that's the case, why would the Texans use a 1st round pick on Hightower?

Then who can replace Brooks? Barwin? If one or the other or even both go down? You expect them to play entire 16 game schedule then be fresh for the playoffs? No you need players who can fill in when they can't go without a huge drop-off in level of play. Hence mantra, "next man up".

Yaky
03-28-2012, 12:53 AM
Then who can replace Brooks? Barwin? If one or the other or even both go down?

Certainly not Hightower and his poor agility. Very good agility is pretty much a requirement to play OLB. Opposing teams will send their TEs and RB into his part of the field every down. Game over.

Lucky
03-28-2012, 12:57 AM
Then who can replace Brooks? Barwin? If one or the other or even both go down? You expect them to play entire 16 game schedule then be fresh for the playoffs? No you need players who can fill in when they can't go without a huge drop-off in level of play. Hence mantra, "next man up".
I'm not suggesting that the Texan do not draft an OLB. Or a ILB. What I am saying is that they shouldn't be the same player and that Hightower is not that player at OLB. Would he make a good ILB in the Texans base 3-4? Yes. Is that position worth a 1st round pick? No.

Wolf6151
03-28-2012, 01:15 AM
I agree with Lucky here, in Wolverine's scenario if Hightower is staying on the field in nickle formation then who in the front 7 is coming off the field?

TimeKiller
03-28-2012, 07:43 AM
Nickel:

Barwin - Hightower - Cushing - Reed
-------Smith---------Watt----------

Dime:

------------Cushing-----------
-Barwin- Smith - Watt - Reed - (Hightower could rotate in for Barwin or Reed if they had to play a lot of dime packages, I've seen him listed as a guy who could probably play hand down 4/3 DE)

WolverineFan
03-28-2012, 09:36 AM
I agree with Lucky here, in Wolverine's scenario if Hightower is staying on the field in nickle formation then who in the front 7 is coming off the field?

Hightower would be the 3rd OLB. He would come off the field unless Barwin or Reed need a breather. If they did then one of them would come off the field and he would slide out. Everyone keeps saying we need to draft an OLB for depth...well, here ya' go.

Hightower's measureables are actually pretty comparable to Lamarr Woodley's so I don't know why there's some sort of consensus that he can't rush the passer. Woodley is better in space, hence him being an elite pass rusher at this level. A lot of scouts said Hightower did a better job of stand up rushing in drills at the combine than Courtney Upshaw.

beerlover
03-28-2012, 09:43 AM
Hightower would be the 3rd OLB. He would come off the field unless Barwin or Reed need a breather. If they did then one of them would come off the field and he would slide out. Everyone keeps saying we need to draft an OLB for depth...well, here ya' go.

Hightower's measureables are actually pretty comparable to Lamarr Woodley's so I don't know why there's some sort of consensus that he can't rush the passer. Woodley is better in space, hence him being an elite pass rusher at this level. A lot of scouts said Hightower did a better job of stand up rushing in drills at the combine than Courtney Upshaw.

I'm would like to offer you a position as my personal spokesperson :party:

Rey
03-28-2012, 10:31 AM
I would have 0 issue with drafting Hightower...It'd really be a great pick IMO.

You get your second ILB and/OLB depth in one pick. AND if Cushing had to miss any time you'd still have a high quality starter...

WolverineFan
03-28-2012, 10:51 AM
I would have 0 issue with drafting Hightower...It'd really be a great pick IMO.

You get your second ILB and/OLB depth in one pick. AND if Cushing had to miss any time you'd still have a high quality starter...

That's all BL (and I guess now me lol) is saying.

beerlover
03-29-2012, 09:33 AM
Quick is the only disagreement I have as I prefer others but would not scream if he was selection. As always, excellent work. Most don't realize Hightower can play both LBs and should be a starter replacing Ryans day 1.

Here is his combine workout, tell me what you think?

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/09000d5d827cda06/2012-Combine-workout-Brian-Quick

Here is his Pro-Day comments, not much information about specific measurements, but attitude fits accordingly, sign-able & cheap "“At the end of the day I want to stay in the NFL,” Quick said. “Getting picked is just the first step. I don’t care about the money.” Going to assume Texans were one of 26 teams in attendance.

http://www.theappalachianonline.com/sports/8725-brian-quick-draws-nfl-attention-at-pro-day-workout

Save the best for last, game film. He reminds me a little of Marcues Colston, little known small school prospect out of Hofstra, 6045 224 4.5 forty. Know he slipped all the way to the 7th but turned out to be one of the biggest draft day steals ever. Saints retain him with a five year 40 million dollar deal with 19 millionn in guarantees. The NFL has come a long ways since 2006 & Quick will quickly be long gone before you think some team, like the Texans can steal him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oh5X0_c1DZo

http://media.thestate.com/smedia/2012/02/25/00/21/vXRrH.St.74.jpg

Ole Miss Texan
03-29-2012, 09:51 AM
BL - I think Hightower is going to be a really good player but I kinda questioned the Texans drafting him. Now that things have settled a bit... I am totally on board with him at #26.

Barwin - Hightower - Cushing - Reed

That is a sick sick LB group. I see him as a starting ILB next to Cushing and being the 3rd OLB in the rotation. I love the way he rushes inside. He reminds me of the players we've got on defense: He's a hard-worker and when everybody is getting tired he picks the intensity up and pushes through it. That's Watt and Cushing in a nutshell.

He can start at ILB; he can rest in dime packages; he can rotate with Barwin/Reed/Cushing when they get tired or knicked up; we can keep everyone fresh and have LB's going 100%.... one hundred percent of the time.

From a value standpoint, I think it's great. Perfect spot to select him if he's there AND he kills two birds with one stone. Suddenly our LB depth looks good with one selection. Sharpton the backup MLB and Braman the 4th OLB.

Nothing earth shattering but just a nice little snippet about Hightower. I like the 40 seconds or so starting at 2:22
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7No36A97h-o&feature=related

Addition: If anybody has to replace Demeco... why not another smart leader from Alabama?!

badboy
03-29-2012, 10:15 AM
Here is his combine workout, tell me what you think?

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/09000d5d827cda06/2012-Combine-workout-Brian-Quick

Here is his Pro-Day comments, not much information about specific measurements, but attitude fits accordingly, sign-able & cheap "“At the end of the day I want to stay in the NFL,” Quick said. “Getting picked is just the first step. I don’t care about the money.” Going to assume Texans were one of 26 teams in attendance.

http://www.theappalachianonline.com/sports/8725-brian-quick-draws-nfl-attention-at-pro-day-workout

Save the best for last, game film. He reminds me a little of Marcues Colston, little known small school prospect out of Hofstra, 6045 224 4.5 forty. Know he slipped all the way to the 7th but turned out to be one of the biggest draft day steals ever. Saints retain him with a five year 40 million dollar deal with 19 millionn in guarantees. The NFL has come a long ways since 2006 & Quick will quickly be long gone before you think some team, like the Texans can steal him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oh5X0_c1DZo

http://media.thestate.com/smedia/2012/02/25/00/21/vXRrH.St.74.jpgEnjoyed the game film and appreciate his balance especially. He does have the 360 spin move down. I compare him to Hill in that he has potential but I just rate others higher than both those guys because I have spent time watching them.

You are correct in your evaluation on Hightower. He will primarily be the ILB BUT could step over to OLB. He may not do well in coverage but we have had that problem anyway. Solid pick #26.

beerlover
03-29-2012, 10:25 AM
Alabama Pro Day is live on ESPNU right now. Don't know why all these guys have to workout shirtless? But having said that, Hightower is an impressive physical specimen.

Ole Miss Texan
03-29-2012, 10:59 AM
Alabama Pro Day is live on ESPNU right now. Don't know why all these guys have to workout shirtless? But having said that, Hightower is an impressive physical specimen.

You know you like it.... :fingergun:

SW H-TOWN
03-29-2012, 01:55 PM
Enjoyed the game film and appreciate his balance especially. He does have the 360 spin move down. I compare him to Hill in that he has potential but I just rate others higher than both those guys because I have spent time watching them.

You are correct in your evaluation on Hightower. He will primarily be the ILB BUT could step over to OLB. He may not do well in coverage but we have had that problem anyway. Solid pick #26.

The more I watch Quick the more I like him. I think he will be available at 99. I would not be upset if we drafted 2 WR. Dre is great but over 30 and has had some injuries. Walter and Jones are nothing special.

badboy
03-29-2012, 05:53 PM
The more I watch Quick the more I like him. I think he will be available at 99. I would not be upset if we drafted 2 WR. Dre is great but over 30 and has had some injuries. Walter and Jones are nothing special.Broyle's uncertainty will bring him in 4th and I'd rather go that direction. I am thinking we have to get our AJ replacement in another draft.

SW H-TOWN
03-29-2012, 11:14 PM
Broyle's uncertainty will bring him in 4th and I'd rather go that direction. I am thinking we have to get our AJ replacement in another draft.

A good option, especially when the Texans propensity for putting rookies on IR is taken into account.

beerlover
04-01-2012, 09:05 AM
The more I watch Quick the more I like him. I think he will be available at 99. I would not be upset if we drafted 2 WR. Dre is great but over 30 and has had some injuries. Walter and Jones are nothing special.

I wouldn't make that wager if I were you -

BLOGS /PRO DAYS
PRO DAYS
Quick backs up hype at Appalachian St. pro day

By Gil Brandt |
Published: March 27th, 2012 | Tags: 2012 pro days, Appalachian State, Brian Quick, DeAndre Presley

Appalachian State WR Brian Quick (6-foot-3 3/8, 215 pounds) has generated quite a buzz in the pre-draft process, and he kept his momentum going with a solid showing at the school’s pro day on March 19. Twenty six teams, the most ever to attend an Appalachian State pro day according to the school, showed up to watch Quick and his teammates.

Quick ran a 4.59-second 40-yard dash into the wind and a 4.53 40 with the wind at his back. But the most important mark was his 1.47-second 10-yard split, which shows he has great initial burst. His best football could be ahead of him, as he played only one year in high school but was a great basketball player.

He also showed in position drills that he is just as fast on the field as he is on paper.

beerlover
04-01-2012, 10:59 AM
BL - I think Hightower is going to be a really good player but I kinda questioned the Texans drafting him. Now that things have settled a bit... I am totally on board with him at #26.

Barwin - Hightower - Cushing - Reed

That is a sick sick LB group. I see him as a starting ILB next to Cushing and being the 3rd OLB in the rotation. I love the way he rushes inside. He reminds me of the players we've got on defense: He's a hard-worker and when everybody is getting tired he picks the intensity up and pushes through it. That's Watt and Cushing in a nutshell.

He can start at ILB; he can rest in dime packages; he can rotate with Barwin/Reed/Cushing when they get tired or knicked up; we can keep everyone fresh and have LB's going 100%.... one hundred percent of the time.

From a value standpoint, I think it's great. Perfect spot to select him if he's there AND he kills two birds with one stone. Suddenly our LB depth looks good with one selection. Sharpton the backup MLB and Braman the 4th OLB.

Nothing earth shattering but just a nice little snippet about Hightower. I like the 40 seconds or so starting at 2:22
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7No36A97h-o&feature=related

Addition: If anybody has to replace Demeco... why not another smart leader from Alabama?!

With Jason Allen no longer on Texan roster #30 is available which just so happens to be Hightower's number http://cdn2.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/3099819/126307565_extra_large.jpg

Lucky
04-01-2012, 11:22 AM
With Jason Allen no longer on Texan roster #30 is available which just so happens to be Hightower's number
LBs are restricted to numbers in the 50's and 90's.

mussop
04-01-2012, 12:46 PM
http://media.thestate.com/smedia/2012/02/25/00/21/vXRrH.St.74.jpg

Wow he can make catches with his eyes closed! Now thats impressive. :) Still don't see us drafting him. Didn't McNair say we were looking for speed at WR? 4.56 isn't exactly lighting it up.

beerlover
04-02-2012, 09:00 AM
Wow he can make catches with his eyes closed! Now thats impressive. :) Still don't see us drafting him. Didn't McNair say we were looking for speed at WR? 4.56 isn't exactly lighting it up.

I thought about this when I uploaded pic but left it alone because it displays excellent concentration & hand position, must be natural to catch the ball with eyes closed don't you agree?

Question on speed, well if he ran a sub 4.5 he might just be taken in 1st instead? Generally a big, strong WR like Quick build up speed, think his top end is pretty good, 23/24mph good. His basketball background & vertical make him a tough match-up against smaller CB's, creates enough separation & plus red-zone target!

Dutchrudder
04-02-2012, 09:26 AM
I thought about this when I uploaded pic but left it alone because it displays excellent concentration & hand position, must be natural to catch the ball with eyes closed don't you agree?

Question on speed, well if he ran a sub 4.5 he might just be taken in 1st instead? Generally a big, strong WR like Quick build up speed, think his top end is pretty good, 23/24mph good. His basketball background & vertical make him a tough match-up against smaller CB's, creates enough separation & plus red-zone target!

Not in our offense... We barely use Andre in the RZ, what makes you think a rookie 6'3 WR is going to get any attention?

beerlover
04-02-2012, 09:35 AM
Not in our offense... We barely use Andre in the RZ, what makes you think a rookie 6'3 WR is going to get any attention?

Well Texans need a healthy Schaub for starters. Don't think they wanted to put too much on Yates plate. Hard to measure, but from 20 yards in another big target spreads out the D & creates mismatches.

Dutchrudder
04-02-2012, 09:55 AM
Well Texans need a healthy Schaub for starters. Don't think they wanted to put too much on Yates plate. Hard to measure, but from 20 yards in another big target spreads out the D & creates mismatches.

When was the last time you saw the Texans offense run a fade route in the end zone? I can't recall one, but that's typically the play you think of when looking for a big WR in the red zone. Guys like CJ and Fitz get those plays a lot. AJ almost never does, which is probably why he has so few TDs for a WR of his caliber. Kubiak likes to run the ball in the red zone, or go to TEs for some reason.

I'm not saying a big WR won't help the team, but calling him a red zone target doesn't fit the offense. Kubiak probably wants another big blocking WR who's a mediocre pass catcher and route runner, like JJ or Walter.

beerlover
04-02-2012, 10:00 AM
When was the last time you saw the Texans offense run a fade route in the end zone? I can't recall one, but that's typically the play you think of when looking for a big WR in the red zone. Guys like CJ and Fitz get those plays a lot. AJ almost never does, which is probably why he has so few TDs for a WR of his caliber. Kubiak likes to run the ball in the red zone, or go to TEs for some reason.

I'm not saying a big WR won't help the team, but calling him a red zone target doesn't fit the offense. Kubiak probably wants another big blocking WR who's a mediocre pass catcher and route runner, like JJ or Walter.

Interesting point, most are short crossing routes. Is this because Schaub can't throw the fade pass or Kubiak doesn't incorporate into his offense?

Dutchrudder
04-02-2012, 10:26 AM
Interesting point, most are short crossing routes. Is this because Schaub can't throw the fade pass or Kubiak doesn't incorporate into his offense?

I really think it's Kubiak. Schaub's at his best when he's putting touch on the ball and dropping it in on a WR downfield. I couldn't believe that he's unable to make that pass of 10-20 yards with accuracy. We have seen guys like Manning, Sanchez and even Orlovsky do this to the Texans. Those 1 on 1 matchups on the outside when inside the 10 yardline should be where AJ makes a lot of his TDs, but he just doesn't get the call very much. The Texans certainly use him like that between the 20's on longer routes, but not near the goal line. I have always thought this was a glaring hole in Kubiak's playbook.

Rey
04-02-2012, 10:41 AM
I really think it's Kubiak. Schaub's at his best when he's putting touch on the ball and dropping it in on a WR downfield. I couldn't believe that he's unable to make that pass of 10-20 yards with accuracy. We have seen guys like Manning, Sanchez and even Orlovsky do this to the Texans. Those 1 on 1 matchups on the outside when inside the 10 yardline should be where AJ makes a lot of his TDs, but he just doesn't get the call very much. The Texans certainly use him like that between the 20's on longer routes, but not near the goal line. I have always thought this was a glaring hole in Kubiak's playbook.

I think it's more Schaub than Kubiak.


Schaub has not been a very good Red Zone passer.

As a matter of fact, before we got Arian we were always talking about how well we moved the ball in between the 20's but couldn't punch it into the EZ.

Arian is MR. Redzone. Schaub isn't and really never has been.

beerlover
04-02-2012, 11:34 AM
wow, two totally different responses from respected members :slapfight:

suggesting to me, its a combination of both. Kubiak gets too conservative in his playcalling with such classic meltdown post drama affects from failed trick plays in past, which even are too painful for me to detail & Schaub is just not accurate in the red zone under pressure.

does that pretty much sum it up? If so what the Texans really need is a new offensive coordinator & QB. Speaking of which I would really like to include one in my mock draft. But due to the fact there is such value later @ both WR & OL positions combined with Texans needing both I did not include one but always a good discussion see last year TJ Yates.

steelbtexan
04-02-2012, 11:51 AM
I really think it's Kubiak. Schaub's at his best when he's putting touch on the ball and dropping it in on a WR downfield. I couldn't believe that he's unable to make that pass of 10-20 yards with accuracy. We have seen guys like Manning, Sanchez and even Orlovsky do this to the Texans. Those 1 on 1 matchups on the outside when inside the 10 yardline should be where AJ makes a lot of his TDs, but he just doesn't get the call very much. The Texans certainly use him like that between the 20's on longer routes, but not near the goal line. I have always thought this was a glaring hole in Kubiak's playbook.

While great the jump ball isn't AJ's game.

This could be one of the holes in Garys playcalling/game management. But I really dont think any of the Texans WR's are good at the fade route. JJ would probably be the best, but Gary doesn't trust him. (Do you blame him, LOL)

I dont blame Gary for this hole in his playbook. Unless you want to blame him for not adding adding a WR that's good at running the fade. This is what BL's mock adds to the team.

Like I said in another post, I'm not that sold on Quick and I really cant tell you why. I just think there are better options out there. Maybe it's because of the JJ failed small school experiment.

Yaky
04-02-2012, 11:54 AM
Arian is MR. Redzone. Schaub isn't and really never has been.

A guy like Fleener 6'6" with 37"vert would help any redzone struggling QB.

Rey
04-02-2012, 11:58 AM
A guy like Fleener 6'6" with 37"vert would help any redzone struggling QB.

Probably.

We don't have that type of TE....

Dutchrudder
04-02-2012, 12:45 PM
While great the jump ball isn't AJ's game.

Do you think that because he is incapable of doing it, or that Kubiak doesn't use that play? I think it's the latter of the two, as I have seen him get jump balls all over the field, though they weren't intended to be that way all the time.

This could be one of the holes in Garys playcalling/game management. But I really dont think any of the Texans WR's are good at the fade route. JJ would probably be the best, but Gary doesn't trust him. (Do you blame him, LOL)

I dont blame Gary for this hole in his playbook. Unless you want to blame him for not adding adding a WR that's good at running the fade. This is what BL's mock adds to the team.

Like I said in another post, I'm not that sold on Quick and I really cant tell you why. I just think there are better options out there. Maybe it's because of the JJ failed small school experiment.

I think AJ is capable of doing it, but I don't know that Schaub is capable of consistently making that throw because I never see him attempt it. Although, I see Schaub make a lot of similar throws, which is what leads me to think it's a Kubiak thing.

The Quick comparison was due to someone mentioning that Quick would be a great red zone target. I'm just commenting that we don't really use AJ as a red zone target, so I don't see why getting Quick would make an impact in that regard.

Dutchrudder
04-02-2012, 01:11 PM
I think it's more Schaub than Kubiak.


Schaub has not been a very good Red Zone passer.

As a matter of fact, before we got Arian we were always talking about how well we moved the ball in between the 20's but couldn't punch it into the EZ.

Arian is MR. Redzone. Schaub isn't and really never has been.

I know highlight reels aren't the best way to evaluate, but these were entertaining to watch while looking at Schaub's throws and AJ's ability to go get the ball. The second video does show two end zone catches by AJ that appear to be fade routes. I think these two are capable of doing it, it just doesn't happen that much for whatever reason.

Matt Schaub Houston Texans Highlights (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6jgICvbuoA)

Top 100 Players of 2011 - Andre Johnson (#7) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=-mzToSf84YI)

steelbtexan
04-02-2012, 01:20 PM
I think you're right there wasn't even 1 fade route in any of those highlights.

Did you notice Schaub was very accurate throwing between the hashes? But was late and usually short throwing outside the hashes more than 20 yds down the field?

Dutchrudder
04-02-2012, 01:43 PM
I think you're right there wasn't even 1 fade route in any of those highlights.

The only one I saw after a re-watch was against the Titans around the 3:10 mark. It looks like a fade, but it could have been a slant. I think the ball was around the 15 or so. I thought there was a second one, but I didn't see it on my second view.

Did you notice Schaub was very accurate throwing between the hashes? But was late and usually short throwing outside the hashes more than 20 yds down the field?

Well, I'm not even sure he's all that accurate to begin with. I think that AJ may be covering up his average accuracy by going up and fighting for the ball. I have never been that high on Schaub to begin with, but nearly all of his big throws seem to hang in the air and float to the area of the WR. I never see him make a long perfect pass like Stafford to CJ, or Brees shooting bullets at Graham and Colston. They seem to be floaters in the area that get picked up by the WR. I'm kind of thinking we will need to go QB high in this draft or next.


And just to reiterate, Andre is AWESOME! :fans:

Rey
04-02-2012, 04:56 PM
I know highlight reels aren't the best way to evaluate, but these were entertaining to watch while looking at Schaub's throws and AJ's ability to go get the ball. The second video does show two end zone catches by AJ that appear to be fade routes. I think these two are capable of doing it, it just doesn't happen that much for whatever reason.

Matt Schaub Houston Texans Highlights (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6jgICvbuoA)

Top 100 Players of 2011 - Andre Johnson (#7) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=-mzToSf84YI)

I don't think Schaub has the gun that is needed to consistently throw the ball on a line.

I think that's why a lot of his long passes hang and I think that is why he struggles to throw in the redzone when windows get tighter. And then when he does try to gun his throws in sometimes he ends up throwing them at the receivers feet.

I like Schaub a lot, but he has his warts. I just can't imagine Kubiak not taking advantage of something so potent as a fade route if he thought that we could execute it consistently.

badboy
04-02-2012, 05:17 PM
I would much rather we did not pass the ball to anyone in the RZ.

mussop
04-02-2012, 08:04 PM
I would much rather we did not pass the ball to anyone in the RZ.

You can't just pound it in every time.(thats what she said!:htown2atx:) eventually teams would load up and then what?

Good topic and one I have thought about a lot, hence my last mock. I have us taking Fleener because of his red zone potential.

beerlover
04-05-2012, 01:59 AM
Texans Defense:

DE-JJ Watt (6'5 288) NT- Shaun Cody (6'4 301) DE- Antonio Smith (6-4 280)

OLB/DE- Brooks Reed (6-2 250) ILB - Brian Cushing (6'3 259) ILB- Dont'a Hightower (6'2 258) OLB- Connor Barwin (6'4 264)

CB- Kareem Jackson (5'10 188) CB- Johnathan Joseph (5'11 191) FS- Glover Quinn (6'0 209) SS- Danieal Manning (5'11 209)

Adding starting potential depth @ NT in Mike Martin. Notice the similarity in sizes for position making both draft picks near ideal comparable.

Texans Offense:

OT- Duane Brown (6'4 320) LG- Wade Smith (6'4 310) C-Chris Myers (6-4 289) RG Levy Adcock (6'4 318) RT Rashad Butler (6'4 317)

WR- Andre Johnson (6'3 226) TE- Owen Daniels (6'3 247) WR Brian Quick (6-4 220)

RB- Arian Foster (6'1 229) QB Matt Schaub (6'5 241) FB James Casey (6'3 243)

Special Teams Kicker- Randy Bullock (5'09 205)
Punter- Donnie Jones (6'2 220)
Returner- T.Y. Hilton (5'10 183)

Also added depth @ Center in Michael Brewster (love that name) well as TE in Paulson who is every bit the prospect of Joel Dresseen, very similar players. Based off my projections, which I try & be realistic, this draft would produce solid depth @ a low cost plus count them in bold..... 5 potential starters early on. I mean that may be a little brash & bold but yeah it is :logo:

ObsiWan
04-08-2012, 03:32 AM
I know highlight reels aren't the best way to evaluate, but these were entertaining to watch while looking at Schaub's throws and AJ's ability to go get the ball. The second video does show two end zone catches by AJ that appear to be fade routes. I think these two are capable of doing it, it just doesn't happen that much for whatever reason.

Matt Schaub Houston Texans Highlights (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6jgICvbuoA)

Top 100 Players of 2011 - Andre Johnson (#7) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=-mzToSf84YI)

there must be some mistake here...

I could swear there were some Jacoby Jones highlights in that Schaub collection...
:joker:

beerlover
04-11-2012, 09:45 AM
Here is my latest update. Didn't change my 1st, 2nd, 6th & 7th rd. selections. Moved OT need higher & dropped NT one round later well as OT/OG prospect (that didn't change). Switched WR prospects in 4th & dropped Center prospect. Go ahead & rip it :overreact:

First Round (#26): Dont’a Hightower, LB, Alabama
Height: 6’2″
Weight: 263

Versatility finally swayed my selection for Texans losing both Mario Williams & DeMeco Ryans. Incredible athlete, speed, size and strength are all there – Moves very well laterally in the box – Excellent instincts lead him to the ball very quickly – Reads and reacts with speed – Drops into coverage well, sees routes as they happen in zone – Delivers hits with the best of them – Can shed blocks inside and make the tackle – Dynamic pass-rusher when asked to play on the edge – Best fit as a 3-4 SOLB, but can play 3-4 ILB as well. thus killing two critical needs with top pick.

Second Round (#58): Brian Quick, WR, Appalachian State
Height: 6’4
Weight: 220 lbs.

A big, physical WR… uses his size and physical ability to make plays deep down the field… excellent athlete who has a long stride…he’s able to eat up cushions in zone coverage…Tracks the ball very well over his shoulder…has excellent body control in the air to adjust to balls that are off target…maybe closest to Andre Johnson body type in entire draft.

Third Round (#76): Tom Compton, OT, North Dakota
Height: 6’5″
Weight: 315

Upgraded OT need with importance of keeping Schaub clean & Rashad Butlers injury history. Arm Length 34" 10" hands. Could start RT as rookie if needed. Will be drafted higher than expected (bit unknown from small school) hard worker with nasty edge, quick off the snap, good using angles, cut blocking ability. He can position and does a good job of not letting his man get behind him which was a weakness of good ole Eric. Athletic enough to get second level quickly, 5 sec forty guy, technically sound pass pro smooth footwork.

Fourth Round (#99): Ryan Broyles, WR, Oklahoma
Height: 5’10″
Weight: 192

Pro-Day set for tomorrow (will update). Will directly impact his final draft grade which as of now hinges on how well he runs (torn ACL may limit his already average straight-line speed and raise concerns about his durability). Although of smaller stature, he finds seems in space, breaks off crisp routes & has excellent body control to go with his above average hands/concentration. In addition brings fearless punt return all around game without high turnover ratios.

Fourth Round (#126): Marcus Forston, DT/NT, Miami
Height: 6'1"
Weight: 301

What is a Texan draft without a Hurricane? Love his motor & tenacity much like Martin but gets in the backfield more often. Limited game experience & injurys along with coming out early as Junior Marcus has much higher potential than most big interior nose guard prospects. Has frame to add weight, already naturally strong (35 reps) with good arm length (33"). Upside, rotational nose who will get on a fast track with NFL coaching in a system that utilizes a quicker run stopper.

Fifth Round (#161): Levy Adcock, OT/OG, Oklahoma State
Height: 6'5"
Weight: 322

Tough - competitive - sound technique -natural athleticism, knee bend and fluid lateral movement to fit ZBS. Played LT for Weeden, OSU. Projects to OG/RT in NFL. Has enough size/strength to kick inside to play either LG or RG adding value with versatility. All-Big 12 Conference First Team. Willing to attack and punches multiple times to finish the play. Quick to pick up edge blitz and shows no panic, easily adjusting angles and resetting his feet. Can recover and reset his anchor. Rarely late off the snap.

Sixth Round (#195): Randy Bullock, K, Texas A&M
Height: 5'09"
Weight: 205
(like it matters)

Improved leg strength & accuracy every year (four year starter). Aggie big plus. Can step up & handle pressure next level. Lou Groza Award as college football's top kicker last season. Connected on 25-of-28 fields and 52-54 extra points, both school records. Career-long is a 52-yarder which is right about Neil Rackers max now, with potential to increase leg strength another 5-8 yards.

Seventh Round (#233): David Paulson, TE, Oregon
Height: 6'3"
Weight: 246

Complete all around TE much in the mold of recently departed Joel Dreessen. Plus blocker - good route runner - great hands - All-Pac-12 second team & very good conditioned. improved his results from the Combine in virtually every category, especially the all-important 40-yard dash running 4.66 and 4.71 seconds. He also added an inch in the vertical jump (33") and three inches broad jump (9'5"). Fits Kubiak offense. solid late round value. Who could double like Casey @ FB.

pbat488
04-11-2012, 10:44 AM
I like the update a lot. slowly coming around to hightower, especially looking at other players that will most likely be available here.

beerlover
04-16-2012, 09:01 AM
26. Stephen Hill, WR, Georgia Tech, 6040 215
Texans settle on a tall, fast downfield weapon to compliment Andre Johnson. Clean on & off the field, good work ethic, fundamentally sound/willing blocker ability to stretch a defense to tempting for Kubiak who wants to keep the box from compressing & running lanes open up for Foster/Tate.

58. Chandler Jones, DE/OLB, Syracuse, 6053 266
Wade Phillips replacement for Mario Williams. Big, long who has a quick first step & could project in Phillips defense as OLB. Could also add 30 lbs to his long, rangy frame & develop into a 3-4 end. However my wager is he wants to develop his pass rushing ability into a Mario Williams clone.

76. Amini Silatolu, OG, Midwestern State, 6035 311
RT starter day one, forget about Caldwell being anything but quality depth behind Myers & this guy Amini Silatolu (say that fast three times). Aggressive, nasty attitude to clear holes in running game for Foster/Tate. Also has LT experience so decent in pass pro as well. A beast!

99. Josh Norman, CB/FS, Coastal Carolina, 6002 197
Has the size Texans like, talented physical player to replace departed free agent Jason Allen. Josh is a ballhawk with great intincts. Could wind up being a steller FS behind Manning & will learn from playing with him that should help raise consistency in all phases of his game.

121. Donald Stephenson, OT, Oklahoma, 6054 312
Ideal tackle prospect who is athletically gifted, ran a sub 5.0 sec forty (4.94). Replaces Butler as Texan swing tackle as Rashad moves to starting RT. Both him & Duane Brown will be free agents next year so getting a quality OT prospect to develop now a must after also losing Eric Winston. No telling if Butler can last a whole 16 game schedule after missing entire season last year.

161.Chris Owusu, WR/KR, Stanford, 6001 196
Could be a steal here if he medically checks out from assorted concussions he suffered during season. Has blazing speed, with exceptional return skills thus filling two positions. He ran a 4.36 @ the combine which is the same as #1 pick Stephen Hill. Was Andrew Lucks favorite target before taken out for the season & the Stanford Cardinals lost a key element to what was their explosive offense, ability to stretch the field.

195. Bradie Ewing, FB, Wisconsin, 5116 240
Got to have me some Badger in this mock. Well coahced & schooled in blocking schemes, excellent in pass pro. If you want to spend a draft pick on a lead blocker for Foster this is your guy, can penetrate the hole quickly, paved way for one of the most impressive RB's I've saw last year in Montee Ball. Foster would really like this pick, protect your investment.

233. David Paulson, TE, Oregon, 6032 246
In the mold of Joel Dreessen, a blocking TE with reliable hands who keeps plays alive downfield with his smarts & willingness to sacrifice his body. He is a plug & play guy who fits perfectly in Kubiak system. Think I've had him in every mock I've done (by myself) so hoping somebody in Texans reads this?

beerlover
04-16-2012, 12:18 PM
Hill, starting WR opposite Andre Johnson
Jones, rotational OLB, w/starter ability provides insurance in case of injury
Silatolu, compete for starting RG position
Norman, adds secondary talent & depth
Stephenson, can play both LT or RT, new developmental swing tackle
Owusu, WR who can stretch field, return kicks
Ewing, lead blocker Foster/Tate
Paulson, replaces Dreessen, TE & special teams player

bckey
04-16-2012, 12:23 PM
I like the update a lot. slowly coming around to hightower, especially looking at other players that will most likely be available here.


I think Hightower will be gone by the time the Texans draft. Pittsburgh picks just ahead of us.

Dutchrudder
04-16-2012, 12:28 PM
I think Hightower will be gone by the time the Texans draft. Pittsburgh picks just ahead of us.

Yeah, I expect him to be taken by Pittsburgh, but there are others who may want him. Pitt just makes too much sense for them to pass on Hightower. It's need plus BPA. The only way I see them passing on him is if an OT or OG drops to them like Martin, Glen or Decastro.

texanchris
04-16-2012, 02:55 PM
26. Stephen Hill, WR, Georgia Tech, 6040 215
Texans settle on a tall, fast downfield weapon to compliment Andre Johnson. Clean on & off the field, good work ethic, fundamentally sound/willing blocker ability to stretch a defense to tempting for Kubiak who wants to keep the box from compressing & running lanes open up for Foster/Tate.

58. Chandler Jones, DE/OLB, Syracuse, 6053 266
Wade Phillips replacement for Mario Williams. Big, long who has a quick first step & could project in Phillips defense as OLB. Could also add 30 lbs to his long, rangy frame & develop into a 3-4 end. However my wager is he wants to develop his pass rushing ability into a Mario Williams clone.

76. Amini Silatolu, OG, Midwestern State, 6035 311
RT starter day one, forget about Caldwell being anything but quality depth behind Myers & this guy Amini Silatolu (say that fast three times). Aggressive, nasty attitude to clear holes in running game for Foster/Tate. Also has LT experience so decent in pass pro as well. A beast!

99. Josh Norman, CB/FS, Coastal Carolina, 6002 197
Has the size Texans like, talented physical player to replace departed free agent Jason Allen. Josh is a ballhawk with great intincts. Could wind up being a steller FS behind Manning & will learn from playing with him that should help raise consistency in all phases of his game.

121. Donald Stephenson, OT, Oklahoma, 6054 312
Ideal tackle prospect who is athletically gifted, ran a sub 5.0 sec forty (4.94). Replaces Butler as Texan swing tackle as Rashad moves to starting RT. Both him & Duane Brown will be free agents next year so getting a quality OT prospect to develop now a must after also losing Eric Winston. No telling if Butler can last a whole 16 game schedule after missing entire season last year.

161.Chris Owusu, WR/KR, Stanford, 6001 196
Could be a steal here if he medically checks out from assorted concussions he suffered during season. Has blazing speed, with exceptional return skills thus filling two positions. He ran a 4.36 @ the combine which is the same as #1 pick Stephen Hill. Was Andrew Lucks favorite target before taken out for the season & the Stanford Cardinals lost a key element to what was their explosive offense, ability to stretch the field.

195. Bradie Ewing, FB, Wisconsin, 5116 240
Got to have me some Badger in this mock. Well coahced & schooled in blocking schemes, excellent in pass pro. If you want to spend a draft pick on a lead blocker for Foster this is your guy, can penetrate the hole quickly, paved way for one of the most impressive RB's I've saw last year in Montee Ball. Foster would really like this pick, protect your investment.

233. David Paulson, TE, Oregon, 6032 246
In the mold of Joel Dreessen, a blocking TE with reliable hands who keeps plays alive downfield with his smarts & willingness to sacrifice his body. He is a plug & play guy who fits perfectly in Kubiak system. Think I've had him in every mock I've done (by myself) so hoping somebody in Texans reads this?
I'de be very happy with this mock. Probably one of my favorites that I've seen so far. Addresses all our needs and i like the players taken. Im starting to like Hill more and more and i think he would be a good fit here and can potentially be our #1 wr later on.