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srrono
03-22-2012, 02:50 PM
John McClain ‏ @McClain_on_NFL
TE Joel Dreessen says he will choose between the Texans and Broncos by Friday morning. He's also visited Saints, Bengals and Titans.

Rebecca Haarlow ‏ @RebeccaHaarlow
Jeff Saturday skips Manning reunion 4 Packers, Broncos agree to terms w TE Joel Dreessen & CB Tracy Porter; details next on @nflnetwork

Rey
03-22-2012, 02:55 PM
I would not be surprised either way...

I'm sure he feels some loyalties to Houston, and I'm sure he would like to go home to Colorado and have the chance at being Peyton's #1 TE...

Blake
03-22-2012, 02:57 PM
I doubt the Texans offered him much. I think he will pick Denver because of Peyton Manning and his ties to Colorado State.

G27RR
03-22-2012, 03:02 PM
I doubt the Texans offered him much. I think he will pick Denver because of Peyton Manning and his ties to Colorado State.

I would guess we offered between $1.75M-$2.0M/yr. I wouldn't be surprised to see him pick Denver either.

Ktexan68
03-22-2012, 03:05 PM
He's gonzo. The chance to go home and play catch with an all time great will prove to be too tempting to pass up. This offseason continues to leave me very concerned.

El Tejano
03-22-2012, 03:07 PM
I know he wasn't an IMPORTANT clog to our team but he was dependable and I will miss him if he goes...I think I'd actually be sad. Yes, I said sad.

Ktexan68
03-22-2012, 03:20 PM
Hopefully they want Dallas Clark more than Joel.

cbs1507
03-22-2012, 03:28 PM
John McClain ‏ @McClain_on_NFL
TE Joel Dreessen says he will choose between the Texans and Broncos by Friday morning. He's also visited Saints, Bengals and Titans.

If I were him I'd chose Denver.

1) He'd have Peyton Manning at QB
2) They need a TE so he'd get paid more
3) He's have Peyton Manning at QB

It's a win-win.

Ole Miss Texan
03-22-2012, 03:35 PM
If I were him I'd chose Denver.

1) He'd have Peyton Manning at QB
2) They need a TE so he'd get paid more
3) He's have Peyton Manning at QB

It's a win-win.

Me too. I'd have my bags already packed.

1) He's from Colorado
2) He played at Colorado State
3) His QB would be PEYTON MANNING (1st ballot HOF, can talk the rest of his life of playing with him)
4) He's likely to be offered more money in Denver
5) Denver is just as likely (if not more) to win their division

IDEXAN
03-22-2012, 03:42 PM
I think he's married, and if his wife is local with family here that's probably a consideration ? Or maybe she's also from Colorado ?

Hardcore Texan
03-22-2012, 03:51 PM
Now we are sending our players to Denver, time to reciprocate I guess?

NitroGSXR
03-22-2012, 03:54 PM
I bet he's coming back. This is a way for him to try and solict more money from other teams before he Boddens them.

Big Lou
03-22-2012, 04:14 PM
Now we are sending our players to Denver, time to reciprocate I guess?

Houston North!!!!!

We were the Texacos, so are they the Broncans?

Runner
03-22-2012, 04:18 PM
It will come down to:

1) Money

I bet he goes to the place that offers him the most money.

TdotTexas2Step
03-22-2012, 04:26 PM
I know he wasn't an IMPORTANT clog to our team but he was dependable and I will miss him if he goes...I think I'd actually be sad. Yes, I said sad.

I hear where you're coming from, but depending on your definition of important, you could argue he was. A lot of the time when we were running a two tight end set - whether they were standard pass plays or bootlegs - the progression always seemed to be Andre-Daniels and then safety valve (Foster or Dressen). Or if AJ was down, it'd be Daniels-Walter/Jacoby and then safety valve.

You knew teams were going to put their efforts into shading whoever we had at #1 WR and OD, so this often allowed Dressen to go one on one, or sometimes be wide open; people on here in the game day threads often called "goaline TD to Dressen" before it happened.

Hopefully Graham or a TE we draft can fill that role.

Premier
03-22-2012, 04:47 PM
Fake John McClain ‏ @FakeJohnMcClain

Dreessen has a tough decision to make. Play w/ a QB who didn't play all yr last yr, or w/ a QB coming off an Anne Frank injury. Decisions.

Malloy
03-22-2012, 04:51 PM
Anne Frank injury ? :)

GP
03-22-2012, 04:53 PM
Fake John McClain ‏ @FakeJohnMcClain

Dreessen has a tough decision to make. Play w/ a QB who didn't play all yr last yr, or w/ a QB coming off an Anne Frank injury. Decisions.

LOL. FakeJohnMcClain with another astounding observation.

SheTexan
03-22-2012, 05:47 PM
If he's smart, he'll go to Denver. Regardless of how much money the TEXANS offer, they will figure out some way to screw him over. I don't know how much loyalty there is in the Denver franchise, but, there is ZERO in the Texans!! Get out while the gettin's good! JMO

ItsMyFault
03-22-2012, 05:49 PM
Yup, he's going to Denver.

chicagotexan2
03-22-2012, 05:52 PM
I doubt the Texans offered him much. I think he will pick Denver because of Peyton Manning and his ties to Colorado State.

Ding ding ding. I'd like him to stay but this may give graham an opportunity to show what he can do.

BIG TORO
03-22-2012, 05:52 PM
If he's smart, he'll go to Denver. Regardless of how much money the TEXANS offer, they will figure out some way to screw him over. I don't know how much loyalty there is in the Denver franchise, but, there is ZERO in the Texans!! Get out while the gettin's good! JMO

WOW Gma! I never heard you talk about the Texans like this before. You must not be happy with them right now.

Rey
03-22-2012, 05:55 PM
Yeah, if I were him I'd choose Denver too. Just too good of an opportunity to pass up.

That said, I don't know if he'd start or play more there.

I believe Clark is still out there, plus Denver could pick up a te they really like in the draft.

Depends on what the teams are telling him especially if the money is close.

The Third Man
03-22-2012, 05:58 PM
If he's smart, he'll go to Denver. Regardless of how much money the TEXANS offer, they will figure out some way to screw him over. I don't know how much loyalty there is in the Denver franchise, but, there is ZERO in the Texans!! Get out while the gettin's good! JMO

Cast your eyes on EVERY TEAM IN THE NFL and tell me which franchises are "loyal" to all of its players. If you can still conclude that the Texans are somehow worse than other teams in the NFL then why are you a fan of such a low franchise as this?

False Start
03-22-2012, 05:58 PM
I have a feeling he will be back. :texflag:

badboy
03-22-2012, 06:20 PM
Texans are allowing players to leave, cutting them and trading them due to overpaying many of the players. Sounds like Texans are pretty loyal to me; right Demeco? They told him they'd pay him and pay him they did.

SheTexan
03-22-2012, 06:38 PM
Cast your eyes on EVERY TEAM IN THE NFL and tell me which franchises are "loyal" to all of its players. If you can still conclude that the Texans are somehow worse than other teams in the NFL then why are you a fan of such a low franchise as this?

Because I CHOOSE to be a fan of the Houston Texans!! I might detest some of the decisions they make, but, I'm still a fan, and will be until the day I die!! PLUS, I don't really give a crap what EVERY TEAM IN THE NFL does!! WHY? Because I'm a TEXAN fan, and what they do affects me to my core!! IF I was a Texan player right now, I'd find it very difficult to be loyal to this franchise! Loyalty gets you nothing but a kick out the door! SURE, it happens all over the NFL, that's why Dreessen should pack his duds and head to Colorado. At least the Broncos are going forward, not backward!!

YES, I'm very pissed off at what's happened this past week. I've read EVERY damn thread concerning Demeco's trade, and believe it or not, I DO understand the theory behind the trade. Right now I'm still working on the "acceptance" phase of my grieving period, and I have NO sympathy for the evil SOBs that run this franchise. It's my opinion, and I have a right to voice it. Tomorrow I might feel different, but, today I'm still venting!!

DocBar
03-22-2012, 07:05 PM
I'd understand completely if he chooses Denver, but I really hope he comes back to Houston. I do not have much faith in OD anymore. OD isn't the same player he was.

ThaShark316
03-22-2012, 07:08 PM
If he's smart, he'll go to Denver. Regardless of how much money the TEXANS offer, they will figure out some way to screw him over. I don't know how much loyalty there is in the Denver franchise, but, there is ZERO in the Texans!! Get out while the gettin's good! JMO

Broncos just got rid of their starting QB.

Grown man business, folks. To hell with loyalty as a player, fan or otherwise in sports. Means little to me, and always will. Everyone's trade-able, cut-able, and whatever else "-able" you want to put on it. Just wait til Dre gets cut at 38.

Fili
03-22-2012, 07:21 PM
Broncos have another TE in mind also. TE Jacob Tamme. Although Tamme's stats aren't as good as Dreessen's, Tamme is Manning's ex-TE.

Texan_Bill
03-22-2012, 07:23 PM
Because I CHOOSE to be a fan of the Houston Texans!! I might detest some of the decisions they make, but, I'm still a fan, and will be until the day I die!! PLUS, I don't really give a crap what EVERY TEAM IN THE NFL does!! WHY? Because I'm a TEXAN fan, and what they do affects me to my core!! IF I was a Texan player right now, I'd find it very difficult to be loyal to this franchise! Loyalty gets you nothing but a kick out the door! SURE, it happens all over the NFL, that's why Dreessen should pack his duds and head to Colorado. At least the Broncos are going forward, not backward!!

YES, I'm very pissed off at what's happened this past week. I've read EVERY damn thread concerning Demeco's trade, and believe it or not, I DO understand the theory behind the trade. Right now I'm still working on the "acceptance" phase of my grieving period, and I have NO sympathy for the evil SOBs that run this franchise. It's my opinion, and I have a right to voice it. Tomorrow I might feel different, but, today I'm still venting!!

Gma... I love you BUT YOU HAVE to go back to work. Retirement isn't suiting you very well... ;)

kingh99
03-22-2012, 07:33 PM
Gronkowski is 6' 6" 275 bruising pounds. Dressen is arguable our biggest TE at 6' 4" 245. Dressen plays hard. He was a 6th round draft pick. I don't like any of our TE's to be honest. Casey's a tweener and starting to get that overachiever, fan favorite, sticking around like Bill Bates vibe. Graham looks like a bust based on his inability to get on the field. OD is working on his third ACL recon. Hate to say it, but we need to draft a TE.

Texan_Bill
03-22-2012, 07:50 PM
Gronkowski is 6' 6" 275 bruising pounds. Dressen is arguable our biggest TE at 6' 4" 245. Dressen plays hard. He was a 6th round draft pick. I don't like any of our TE's to be honest. Casey's a tweener and starting to get that overachiever, fan favorite, sticking around like Bill Bates vibe. Graham looks like a bust based on his inability to get on the field. OD is working on his third ACL recon. Hate to say it, but we need to draft a TE.

:mcnugget:

Who gives a crap about Gronkowski??

Gronkowski was Brady's main "go-to" guy. In the Texans offense, is the TE the primary target - in general??? Hardly!!! Apples to Oranges!!!


Casey is a stud.. Why? Well simply put because he's so versatile. Line him up as a FB then send him motion to be an "H-Back" -OR- line him up as a straight-up TE.... He makes the offense sooo versatile. Gronkowski? Not so much!

At the end of the day, Dreessen is a lesser version of OD. OD does some things better, but Dreessen does basically the same thing. I would take an offense w/ options of Daniels/Dreesen/Casey everyday and (literally AND figuratively) over Gronkowski's one trick pony!!!

That said, if Dreessen moves on, I wish him luck, although he'll play second fiddle (again) to 'more than likely' Dallas Clark...



Finally, **** Grankowski!!!

DX-TEX
03-22-2012, 07:56 PM
Pffffttt...its a no brainer.

Houston Tex-Mex>>>>>>>Coors beer

Texan_Bill
03-22-2012, 08:06 PM
Pffffttt...its a no brainer.

Houston Tex-Mex>>>>>>>Coors beer

SWEET, well played sir!!! /End thread!!!!

Repped!!!

The Third Man
03-22-2012, 08:12 PM
Because I CHOOSE to be a fan of the Houston Texans!! I might detest some of the decisions they make, but, I'm still a fan, and will be until the day I die!! PLUS, I don't really give a crap what EVERY TEAM IN THE NFL does!! WHY? Because I'm a TEXAN fan, and what they do affects me to my core!! IF I was a Texan player right now, I'd find it very difficult to be loyal to this franchise! Loyalty gets you nothing but a kick out the door! SURE, it happens all over the NFL, that's why Dreessen should pack his duds and head to Colorado. At least the Broncos are going forward, not backward!!

YES, I'm very pissed off at what's happened this past week. I've read EVERY damn thread concerning Demeco's trade, and believe it or not, I DO understand the theory behind the trade. Right now I'm still working on the "acceptance" phase of my grieving period, and I have NO sympathy for the evil SOBs that run this franchise. It's my opinion, and I have a right to voice it. Tomorrow I might feel different, but, today I'm still venting!!

You can voice anything. The homeless guy on the feeder road ranting against the UN poisoning his kool-aid is venting, too. It doesn't mean it is valid. There is no loyalty in the NFL. The Texans are not cutting players out of spite- they operate under a salary cap. Ryans has had declining production every year of his career and he made a lot of money. The Texans paid him millions of dollars and decided to find a cheaper option.

TheMatrix31
03-22-2012, 08:39 PM
Love Dreesen and hope he stays because I think he's an unsung hero and quietly extremely important to this team, but I will not blame him one bit if he goes to Denver.

Fred
03-22-2012, 08:56 PM
I don't really give a crap what EVERY TEAM IN THE NFL does!! WHY? Because I'm a TEXAN fan, and what they do affects me to my core!!!!

I have NO sympathy for the evil SOBs that run this franchise.

To quote the evil SOB who ran the Coreleone franchise:

"It's not personal, it's just business."

EllisUnit
03-22-2012, 09:19 PM
Although i do not share the same view at this time as SheTexan, if he comes back and wants to help us win a superbowl to a team that has been good to him then great, if he decides to go to denver just cause neck broken manning is there then screw him.

Although Dressen was "descent" he is FAR from irreplacable !

mussop
03-22-2012, 09:45 PM
I know he wasn't an IMPORTANT clog to our team but he was dependable and I will miss him if he goes...I think I'd actually be sad. Yes, I said sad.

Wasn't important? He led the team in TD's receptions last season. He was a lot more important than most people here realize.

Dutchrudder
03-22-2012, 09:50 PM
Fake John McClain ‏ @FakeJohnMcClain

Dreessen has a tough decision to make. Play w/ a QB who didn't play all yr last yr, or w/ a QB coming off an Anne Frank injury. Decisions.

I love Fake John McClain. If anyone knows the guy that runs that account, point him out to me so I can buy that man a beer and some lemon squares.

CloakNNNdagger
03-22-2012, 09:51 PM
I think he's married, and if his wife is local with family here that's probably a consideration ? Or maybe she's also from Colorado ?

FWIW, some points that may or may not make any difference.

His wife and he met in college at Colorado.

I believe there was an Chronicle article sometime near the 2010season that said that she was staying in Colorado with their child a good part of the time during the preseason.

They are both active with M.D. Anderson-associated activities.

He owns an 800-acre ranch 75 miles east of Amarillo.

Texan_Bill
03-22-2012, 10:14 PM
You can voice anything. The homeless guy on the feeder road ranting against the UN poisoning his kool-aid is venting, too. It doesn't mean it is valid. There is no loyalty in the NFL. The Texans are not cutting players out of spite- they operate under a salary cap. Ryans has had declining production every year of his career and he made a lot of money. The Texans paid him millions of dollars and decided to find a cheaper option.

DUDE! Dumbest post ever!! This youngl lady stated that intillectually she understood the cut, but that she hated it.

What part don't you get.............. Or, are you being the guy the guy trying to make some sort of suddne impact, like your're somebody???

Like anyone of us give a c****e?

Kthx
03-22-2012, 10:26 PM
At this point I would rather cut OD and keep Dreeson as sad as it sounds in my head as I write it. Dreeson has great hands, and I won't forget that 30 yard diving end-zone catch from last season.

gary
03-22-2012, 10:27 PM
I think Denver will sign Tamme hence ex Colt.

ObsiWan
03-22-2012, 10:48 PM
If he's smart, he'll go to Denver. Regardless of how much money the TEXANS offer, they will figure out some way to screw him over. I don't know how much loyalty there is in the Denver franchise, but, there is ZERO in the Texans!! Get out while the gettin's good! JMO

Ask Tim Tebow how much "loyalty" the Denver franchise has. He took them to the playoffs and put record numbers of butts in the seats. But as soon as they thought they had upgraded by signing Manning, they shopped him around for trade bait.

Don't get it twisted, Denver is no better than anywhere else. If someone like Gronski or Dallas Clark comes to Denver, Dreessen becomes trade bait or worse, gets flat out cut, just as fast as Tebow.

mussop
03-22-2012, 11:30 PM
Ask Tim Tebow how much "loyalty" the Denver franchise has. He took them to the playoffs and put record numbers of butts in the seats. But as soon as they thought they had upgraded by signing Manning, they shopped him around for trade bait.

Don't get it twisted, Denver is no better than anywhere else. If someone like Gronski or Dallas Clark comes to Denver, Dreessen becomes trade bait or worse, gets flat out cut, just as fast as Tebow.

:goodpost:

NastyNate
03-22-2012, 11:51 PM
At this point I would rather cut OD and keep Dreeson as sad as it sounds in my head as I write it. Dreeson has great hands, and I won't forget that 30 yard diving end-zone catch from last season.

I'm down with this. Where do we find this "Dreeson" fellow you reference?

Texn4life
03-22-2012, 11:51 PM
I don't get the whole loyalty factor that everyone is bringing up right now. Someone could make the argument that the Texans ARE being loyal in trading Demeco to a team where he can stay on the field more than 60% of the defensive snaps giving him a chance to cash in on 1 more decent sized contract once this one expires. It was clear that in our system he was not going to be on the field much more than that, thus limiting his earning potential. The Texans made this man a very rich individual and I'm sure he's grateful for them giving him every opportunity to succeed.

Throughout the time of football every team in this league has had to make tough decisions to let players go. Joe Montana, Johnny U, Ladainian Tomlinson, OJ Simpson, etc etc etc..... There's a long list of HOF guys who were let go by their team in order to move forward as an organization. These guys understand the nature of the beast in the league. With a hard salary cap its virtually impossible to retain all of your players when you're successful as a team. I wish Meco, Mario, Winston, and any other player who was on our team last year who won't be this year the best. But they're not exempt from being let go of just like the long list of HOF players who had to move on weren't. The Patriots traded Richard Seymour right before the season started. Let go of Lawyer Milloy right before the season started. It doesn't mean they're not loyal and thankful for what those guys did for the organization. They just felt that it was time to move on in order for their team to be successful for years to come. I understand everyone's frustration by seeing guys leave the team who have been here for a while, but I'm encouraged that the Texans are looking to the future and not back to the past.

Sorry for the long post, but its just my opinion. I think when everyone has a second to exhale and take everything in all of these moves won't seem as drastic. The fact that these guys were given very generous contracts after their rookie contracts expired proves that they're plenty loyal. They also didn't leave them hanging by releasing or trading them late in the free agency process allowing them to get with their teams and get right to work. They're both (Winston and Meco) going to great organizations where they'll be making millions of dollars. Everyone who feels like the Texans aren't loyal probably should talk to Jacoby Jones. I bet that guy feels like Bob McNair and crew are the most loyal group in the world.

Premier
03-23-2012, 03:07 AM
At this point I would rather cut OD and keep Dreeson as sad as it sounds in my head as I write it. Dreeson has great hands, and I won't forget that 30 yard diving end-zone catch from last season.

im almost certain youre confusing him with james casey..

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-fantasy/09000d5d82290c42/QB-Schaub-to-RB-Casey-26-yd-pass-TD

Wolf6151
03-23-2012, 03:31 AM
At this point I would rather cut OD and keep Dreeson as sad as it sounds in my head as I write it. Dreeson has great hands, and I won't forget that 30 yard diving end-zone catch from last season.

I agree with this. The team would save money and the 2 starting TE's would be Dreesen and Graham with Casey as a backup. It's past time to see what Graham can do and OD is way over paid for his services.

dalemurphy
03-23-2012, 05:38 AM
I agree with this. The team would save money and the 2 starting TE's would be Dreesen and Graham with Casey as a backup. It's past time to see what Graham can do and OD is way over paid for his services.

Demeco, though, was going to cost $6 million per year in base salary alone for the next 5 years. That is a monster contract. Add in the injury concerns and their belief that he is not a great fit for the 3-4 defense, and the trade is a no-brainer. The Texans will save roughly $8 million under the cap in 2013-2016 (each season). That is a huge number that, alone, almost pays for Duane Brown's extension/new contract.

The fact that the Texans were able to clear their books and get significant compensation in this year's draft makes this a smart trade for the Texans. That is, unless the loss of Demeco's leadership has a significant effect on the on-field product.... which I am concerned it could.

Cutting or trading Owen Daniels simply wouldn't clear nearly as much cap space. Also, Daniels is an every down player who fits the Texans' system. I'm not saying Daniels is a better player, or more deserving, only that the circumstances are such that his retention and Demeco's exit both make great sense.

HoustonFrog
03-23-2012, 07:04 AM
i love fake john mcclain. If anyone knows the guy that runs that account, point him out to me so i can buy that man a beer and some lemon squares.

lol

@fakejohnmcclain i have it on good authority that if dreessen doesn't pick the broncos, he'll return to the texans.

False Start
03-23-2012, 07:38 AM
Now that I think about it, I think he'll be leaving. Fivehead is gonna need a dependable TE option.

BIG TORO
03-23-2012, 08:46 AM
The Dreesen Decision 2012!!!

This stuff has me on the edge of my seat!

:kitten:

HOU-TEX
03-23-2012, 08:58 AM
At this point I would rather cut OD and keep Dreeson as sad as it sounds in my head as I write it. Dreeson has great hands, and I won't forget that 30 yard diving end-zone catch from last season.

Seriously?! OD not only has great hands, but the ability to separtate from the defender and find the open spots in coverage. Much more so than Dreessen.

If OD was to ever leave I'd choose Casey over anyone else. Dreessen's decent, but there's a reason he's behind OD

Texan_Bill
03-23-2012, 09:02 AM
Seriously?! OD not only has great hands, but the ability to separtate from the defender and find the open spots in coverage. Much more so than Dreessen.

If OD was to ever leave I'd choose Casey over anyone else. Dreessen's decent, but there's a reason he's behind OD

I like Dreessen but he kind of disappointed me when OD was out with injury. I remember thinking that Dreessen would fill in and the offense wouldn't really miss a beat. They did, though.

That said, I would like Dreessen to stay but if he walks, he walks. Going to Denver would a move that would basically take him home. Who wouldn't want to be close to home?

HOU-TEX
03-23-2012, 09:08 AM
I like Dreessen but he kind of disappointed me when OD was out with injury. I remember thinking that Dreessen would fill in and the offense wouldn't really miss a beat. They did, though.

That said, I would like Dreessen to stay but if he walks, he walks. Going to Denver would a move that would basically take him home. Who wouldn't want to be close to home?

I agree. I like Dreessen too, but I think Casey (if not our FB) and Graham could easily step in for him. Plus, we'll probably draft 4 next month

SheTexan
03-23-2012, 09:19 AM
Ask Tim Tebow how much "loyalty" the Denver franchise has. He took them to the playoffs and put record numbers of butts in the seats. But as soon as they thought they had upgraded by signing Manning, they shopped him around for trade bait.

Don't get it twisted, Denver is no better than anywhere else. If someone like Gronski or Dallas Clark comes to Denver, Dreessen becomes trade bait or worse, gets flat out cut, just as fast as Tebow.

I was waiting for someone to bring up the Tebow trade!:fingergun:

Look, today is a NEW day, and the sting of losing Meco is subsiding a little bit. I didn't go bonkers over the loss of Mario, or any of the others, although the loss of Winston sorta stunned me, but, I understood that move more than Meco's. If Joel goes to Denver, which I think he will, then so be it. If the Texans had truly wanted him, they would have already resigned him.

This is a Dreessen thread, and I wish him well, wherever he ends up. I'm a big Casey fan, so moving him from TE to FB sorted ticked me off. I believe Casey could be the next OD anyway, not Joel. BUT, thats JMO!!!

Mr. White
03-23-2012, 09:26 AM
It's Denver. Just heard on 790.

ItsMyFault
03-23-2012, 09:28 AM
Mark Berman ‏ @MarkBermanFox26
Free agent TE Joel Dreessen says he will sign with the Denver Broncos

Yup. Figured.

SheTexan
03-23-2012, 09:32 AM
It's Denver. Just heard on 790.

A no brainer! Smart move! I have a feeling he's gonna shine!!

TheMatrix31
03-23-2012, 09:33 AM
Can't fault him. Damn though. He was big for us.

Hopefully Graham can step in. Or move Casey back and draft/sign a FB?

Ole Miss Texan
03-23-2012, 09:35 AM
I wish him the best. Can't fault him one bit going to Denver! I always liked him here.

With that said, I think we'll be A Okay with OD, Graham and Casey.

Texan_Bill
03-23-2012, 09:37 AM
I agree. I like Dreessen too, but I think Casey (if not our FB) and Graham could easily step in for him. Plus, we'll probably draft 4 next month

It's Denver. Just heard on 790.

Yup... Just heard as well..

Oh well. OD as the TE and Casey as a FB / H-back. I'm good.

jaayteetx
03-23-2012, 09:38 AM
This is a lot of turnover for players that actually contributed on the field, hope it doesn't come back to bite us in the ass.

Rey
03-23-2012, 09:40 AM
Out with the Old, in with the New!!!!!

michaelm
03-23-2012, 09:41 AM
Lol.


@pff_mikeclay: Dear broncos media/fans/etc. - it's joel dreessen with two e's and two s's. You've been alerted.

Kthx
03-23-2012, 09:41 AM
Dreessen* Sorry it was late.

Also I think you are right Premier, good call on that one, it was Casey who made that sliding catch for the TD.

Still, chances are Casey is going to be mainly a FB this year and we will need a receiving TE, and Dreessen is the better option at this point in his career than OD is I believe.

Runner
03-23-2012, 09:42 AM
That's all right. I've heard losing contributors makes the team stronger.


Not that I've been convinced of that. The team continues to pile up needs in depth, and I don't think "Next Man Up" is replacing the lost starters with equal quality.

To stay where they were last season, they better have a helluva draft or have some hidden free agent money stashed somewhere.

Kthx
03-23-2012, 09:42 AM
Well n/m that heh.

Blake
03-23-2012, 09:48 AM
Dreessen taking his talents to frost beach.

Carr Bombed
03-23-2012, 09:50 AM
Can't fault him. Damn though. He was big for us.

Hopefully Graham can step in. Or move Casey back and draft/sign a FB?

Graham can step in easily... I've been waiting to see what this kid can do. He can do everything that Dreessen can, but is more athletic. I'd also pick up the phone and tell Casey to start studying his playbook, because I'd make him a full time TE to add depth and solidify the position... it's much easier to find a FB late in the draft or in FA than it is to find a back up TE with Casey's skill set. It's time to stop waisting this guy's talent/career and move him to his natural NFL position.. He is not a FB.

Calface4
03-23-2012, 09:54 AM
He's definitley going to Denver. Passing up the opportunity to catch passes from an all time great and a for sure hall of famer? I wouldn't...

And thank God I didn't end up getting a Dressen jersey made last year. I was seriously considering getting one because he was contributing so much.

Maddict5
03-23-2012, 10:05 AM
@pff_mikeclay: Dear broncos media/fans/etc. - it's joel dreessen with two e's and two s's. You've been alerted

Lol.

hmmm i see 3 e's in dreessen :wadepalm:

Maddict5
03-23-2012, 10:07 AM
another possible comp pick now right?

kubiak's supposed TE fetish has whittled its way down to 2 (excl casey as fb).... bring back anthony hill!

GP
03-23-2012, 10:10 AM
I applaud the Broncos for taking radical steps to change direction. We did that same thing by bringing in Wade Phillips, cutting Amobi Okoye, adding two talented secondary FAs, shifting Cushing to the Mike full time.

They will have to deal with cap issues down the line, just like we did. Nobody escapes it. You can't take on those players with those contracts and expect to sail freely in today's NFL.

There will be some maneuvering that the Broncos have to do in a year or two, just like we are doing now. AND...there's no guarantees that Manning stays healthy all year. I think he will, but there's no guarantees. I like their boldness, though.

BTW, I like Casey at FB because he can motion out to the end of the line and present confusion for defenses. What does a D think when Casey leaves the backfield and lines up on the end of the line? They don't know whether to play Arian Foster on the run...or will we play-action to Arian and throw to a guy like Casey who beats LBs in a foot race every time? If they freeze up and play the pass, sweep Arian to Casey's side and Casey is now blocking on the edge for him. If they play the run, but it's a play-action pass...they've bitten and cannot recover in time to locate and cover Casey properly.

I think you use Graham or OD out there, or even BOTH of them, and you use Casey at FB on certain plays. That's a nightmare for a defense: A Texans 2 TE set with Casey also at FB, and Foster at RB, and AJ at WR split way out wide. That creates soooooo many options for our style of offense.

A defense would have to account for everything: The bomb or slant to AJ, two capable TEs who can run a wide array of routes to exploit a defense's formation, the run game with Casey and Foster, Casey as a receiving threat, Foster as a receiving threat, the list goes on and on.......

Seņor Stan
03-23-2012, 10:29 AM
BTW, I like Casey at FB because he can motion out to the end of the line and present confusion for defenses. What does a D think when Casey leaves the backfield and lines up on the end of the line? They don't know whether to play Arian Foster on the run...or will we play-action to Arian and throw to a guy like Casey who beats LBs in a foot race every time? If they freeze up and play the pass, sweep Arian to Casey's side and Casey is now blocking on the edge for him. If they play the run, but it's a play-action pass...they've bitten and cannot recover in time to locate and cover Casey properly.

I think you use Graham or OD out there, or even BOTH of them, and you use Casey at FB on certain plays. That's a nightmare for a defense: A Texans 2 TE set with Casey also at FB, and Foster at RB, and AJ at WR split way out wide. That creates soooooo many options for our style of offense.

A defense would have to account for everything: The bomb or slant to AJ, two capable TEs who can run a wide array of routes to exploit a defense's formation, the run game with Casey and Foster, Casey as a receiving threat, Foster as a receiving threat, the list goes on and on.......

I just wish the Texans would do this package out of a no-huddle set up to keep the same base defense on the field and exploit matchups...

GP
03-23-2012, 10:36 AM
I just wish the Texans would do this package out of a no-huddle set up to keep the same base defense on the field and exploit matchups...

Agreed. It would tire a defense out, but then again you have to make the plays to sustain a No Huddle or you give the ball back pretty fast if you can't convert each set of downs.

The Colts are the perfect defense to do a No Huddle on. They are already spooked by how many rushing yards Foster puts on them every game, they'd be rattled if we trotted out a strong formation and kept doing crazy stuff out of it every down.

El Tejano
03-23-2012, 10:41 AM
Does anyone know how much this clears in cap space for us?

michaelm
03-23-2012, 10:42 AM
Does anyone know how much this clears in cap space for us?

I'm pretty sure it is zero. He was UFA, so no contract on the books.

Vinny
03-23-2012, 10:45 AM
Gary Kubiak says the free agency period's been tough on the Texans, but they have to forge ahead.
Is this Coachspeak for "the cap is mismanaged, but I can't say that....I gotta coach what they give me"

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth

drunkcookie
03-23-2012, 10:45 AM
Does anyone know how much this clears in cap space for us?

I want to say none because he was already off the books (free agent)..

Seņor Stan
03-23-2012, 10:46 AM
I'm pretty sure it is zero. He was UFA, so no contract on the books.

yeah, but you have to assume they had the money reserved that they had in their offer to him...could be used elsewhere...

houstonspartan
03-23-2012, 10:47 AM
I'm pretty sure it is zero. He was UFA, so no contract on the books.

Yep. What's going on now is players are seeing that management has no clue - and no plan - and they're bailing.

Seņor Stan
03-23-2012, 10:47 AM
Is this Coachspeak for "the cap is mismanaged, but I can't say that....I gotta coach what they give me"

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth

Kubiak is lamenting the fact that Texans are in Salary Cap Heck...

drunkcookie
03-23-2012, 10:48 AM
Is this Coachspeak for "the cap is mismanaged, but I can't say that....I gotta coach what they give me"

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth

It's coach-speak for "well, John, we can't pay and keep everybody, but i wish we could because i love these guys and they've done a lot of great things in this league, battlin' every snap for the team."

Thorn
03-23-2012, 10:49 AM
Good luck Joel Dreesen, thanks for your time here. :)

And only time will tell if you made the right decision.

ThaShark316
03-23-2012, 10:50 AM
About Joel leaving...


http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lso9yzXMFV1qkghqa.jpg

Next ****in' man up.

mussop
03-23-2012, 10:51 AM
Graham can step in easily... I've been waiting to see what this kid can do. He can do everything that Dreessen can, but is more athletic. I'd also pick up the phone and tell Casey to start studying his playbook, because I'd make him a full time TE to add depth and solidify the position... it's much easier to find a FB late in the draft or in FA than it is to find a back up TE with Casey's skill set. It's time to stop waisting this guy's talent/career and move him to his natural NFL position.. He is not a FB.

really??? What make you think this???

drunkcookie
03-23-2012, 10:53 AM
Yep. What's going on now is players are seeing that management has no clue - and no plan - and they're bailing.

No, what you're seeing is a 31 year old backup TE coming off a 300 yd year not getting paid by his former team... They may be comfortable in Graham, and decided not to make such a huge offer to Dree...

Yes, the cap situation the Texans are in sucks, but it won't continue to suck because they are refusing to overpay players this offseason..

Can't keep everyone...

Carr Bombed
03-23-2012, 10:55 AM
Is this Coachspeak for "the cap is mismanaged, but I can't say that....I gotta coach what they give me"

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth

He can't say anything, because that was the price (signing Joseph and Manning) that had to be paid in order to save Rick Smith's and his ass last season.

Oh well, if the blood letting that we're going through now allows us to lock up Duane Brown, Brian Cushing, and Conner Barwin, it all be worth it.

drunkcookie
03-23-2012, 10:59 AM
He can't say anything, because that was the price (signing Joseph and Manning) that had to be paid in order to save Rick Smith's and his ass last season.

Probably a little of that too, though i think the price paid for Danithan Mannseph is a good price period, no matter "why" or "when" they did it...

Vinny
03-23-2012, 11:00 AM
About Joel leaving...

=

Next ****in' man up.Next man out!

drunkcookie
03-23-2012, 11:14 AM
Oh well, if the blood letting that we're going through now allows us to lock up Duane Brown, Brian Cushing, and Conner Barwin, it all be worth it.

Agreed... And it already allowed us to lock up Foster and Myers...

I think a lot of people complaining want to have their cake and eat it too (ugh i hate that phrase, feel dirty for using it).. They want the Texans to overpay every player on the roster, yet wanna beotch about the cap... You can't overspend on these guys if you want a managable cap next year...

Blake
03-23-2012, 11:20 AM
Off topic, but I better see the Texans lock up Duane Brown early with all the cap they are cutting from last season/this season.

ThaShark316
03-23-2012, 11:22 AM
Agreed... And it already allowed us to lock up Foster and Myers...

I think a lot of people complaining want to have their cake and eat it too (ugh i hate that phrase, feel dirty for using it).. They want the Texans to overpay every player on the roster, yet wanna beotch about the cap... You can't overspend on these guys if you want a managable cap next year...

Real talk.

Realistic Posters>>>>>>>>>>>>>

ThaShark316
03-23-2012, 11:22 AM
Off topic, but I better see the Texans lock up Duane Brown early with all the cap they are cutting from last season/this season.

You better? Or what?

"Blake said DO IT...here you go, Duane. Sign!!"

Blake
03-23-2012, 11:24 AM
You better? Or what?

"Blake said DO IT...here you go, Duane. Sign!!"

Thats exactly how I envisioned it. :fans:

False Start
03-23-2012, 11:27 AM
This sucks, he was great at coming up with important/big catches. :(

Runner
03-23-2012, 11:28 AM
Is this Coachspeak for "the cap is mismanaged, but I can't say that....I gotta coach what they give me"

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth

Kubes says the free agency period has been tough on the Texans? That is sooooo weird. He should read these boards; every time I say that it gets explained to me that this free agency period has been good for the Texans.

HoustonFrog
03-23-2012, 11:29 AM
It's coach-speak for "well, John, we can't pay and keep everybody, but i wish we could because i love these kids and they've done a lot of great things in this league, battlin' every snap for the team."

Fixed

Rey
03-23-2012, 11:35 AM
Kubes says the free agency period has been tough on the Texans? That is sooooo weird. He should read these boards; every time I say that it gets explained to me that this free agency period has been good for the Texans.

There is a differnt between saying the FA period has been tough on the Texans and we will likely suck next year because of it.

I'm pretty sure Kubiak thinks that a couple of the guys already on the team will be able to step up and replace some of the guys we have lost. He may be completely wrong, but I doubt Kubiak would express his views like anyone here on the MB has.

Carr Bombed
03-23-2012, 11:40 AM
really??? What make you think this???

Umm the fact that he's a receiving TE, has better athleticism, and has reliable hands/can catch the ball in traffic..

Better question here is what makes you think he can't??? (See the three question marks suggests that I'm just as confused as you were) The kid was drafted for a reason and the only thing he's been lacking here is a opportunity... well he has that now.

Also.. for all of those who choose to ***** and moan about this offseason, mismanaged cap or not... will you please explain to the rest of us how the hell we were supposed to sign this year's FA class and still have the ability to even attempt to sign next year's FA class (which is FAR more important.) even if we had our books in order? Next year we have to sign a franchise QB, a franchise LT, and two of our best defenders...

Are we losing players? Yes.. but we've managed to keep our core players which os what we did this offseason with Foster and Myers... even with all the players that we've lost, the only area I'm concerned about is the right side of the Oline and who's going to be our swing tackle? With Dreessen, Mario, and Ryans... all of their replacements were already on the roster and the only their loss effects is the depth with their backups becoming permanent starters. That will have to be adressed, but it isn't undoable.

Honoring Earl 34
03-23-2012, 11:42 AM
Kubes says the free agency period has been tough on the Texans? That is sooooo weird. He should read these boards; every time I say that it gets explained to me that this free agency period has been good for the Texans.

I think it hurts but that's the business at hand . The real question is did they develop the backups to take their place .

Runner
03-23-2012, 11:44 AM
There is a differnt between saying the FA period has been tough on the Texans and we will likely suck next year because of it.

I'm pretty sure Kubiak thinks that a couple of the guys already on the team will be able to step up and replace some of the guys we have lost. He may be completely wrong, but I doubt Kubiak would express his views like anyone here on the MB has.

I've been saying they will be less competitive than last year, not that they will suck. I think that might be more realistic than thinking they will be better because:

1) The backups were better than the players above them on the depth chart
2) There is no doubt the team will have a stellar draft
3) Injuries won't expose the new lack of depth

Carr Bombed
03-23-2012, 11:46 AM
Kubes says the free agency period has been tough on the Texans? That is sooooo weird. He should read these boards; every time I say that it gets explained to me that this free agency period has been good for the Texans.

Like you said how it was explained to you that losing all of these players makes the Texans better?
Can you please pull up all the posts where people said either, because I haven't seen it posted or people say that around here.

DX-TEX
03-23-2012, 11:48 AM
The sky is not falling. Everyone seems to forget we resigned two HUGE needs in the off season: Foster and Myers.

-We all knew Mario was pretty much gone and after last season and not needed.
-Dreesen? He is a back up TE, I feel Graham will step in just fine.
-Winston while surprising, isnt a complete shock. Guy just can not handle speed rushers at all. You have a capable back up in Butler who will step in.
-Jason Allen. I trust in Wade after the Miracle Worker job he did last year. I suspect we will see a Jackson/Brandon "No fly zone" Harris combo next year in the same vein as Jackson/Allen. With Harris pushing KJ hard.
-Demeco. While the leadership issue hurts, physically he just did not do much to warrant what we are paying him. He is a MLB in a 4-3. I GUARANTEE Demeco talked to Cushing and told him it was his D now and to be the leader which Cush will do a great job being the leader.

Briesel-This one is the only one that stings. Underrated guy who just goes out weekly and plays his ass off. But the Raiders over paid and we shouldnt get into that game. I would much rather spend the money on myers. the guy only calls out the assignments on EVERY offensive snap...

We will be fine.

XI CMURDER IX
03-23-2012, 11:52 AM
Fleener here we come! :hurrah:

Runner
03-23-2012, 11:54 AM
Like you said how it was explained to you that losing all of these players makes the Texans better?
Can you please pull up all the posts where people said either, because I haven't seen it posted or people say that around here.

I think you'll find those posts in the Free Agency - The Big Picture thread. Granted the "they will be better" is usually followed by a big "if" or assumption, but better nonetheless.

Some are buried in the big Demeco thread, but that's a lot to sift through.

Of course the big win comes in salary cap room and major re-signings in 2013.

Just win the-season-after-next, baby.

HoustonFrog
03-23-2012, 11:55 AM
Sorry, one more

Fake John McClain ‏ @FakeJohnMcClain Dreessen told me over a cup of Folgers that he trusts Manning more b/c his head is taller & he can see him over the line better than Schaub.

drunkcookie
03-23-2012, 12:01 PM
Granted the better is usually followed by a big "if" or assumption, but better nonetheless.

.

So basically, to prove a lot of people are saying the Texans are better for letting these players walk or trading them, you make sure.to include that these people said "if" after "better"... Pretty sure you just disproved your point... You're something else...

Honoring Earl 34
03-23-2012, 12:06 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/don_banks/03/23/2012.mock.draft.3/index.html?eref=sihp&sct=hp_t11_a0

He had Denver picking Fleener in the 1st .

http://www.ourlads.com/nfldepthcharts/depthchart/HOU

Daniels and Graham are TE's .

srrono
03-23-2012, 12:11 PM
Rebecca Haarlow ‏ @RebeccaHaarlow
Jeff Saturday skips Manning reunion 4 Packers, Broncos agree to terms w TE Joel Dreessen & CB Tracy Porter; details next on @nflnetwork

Runner
03-23-2012, 12:11 PM
So basically, to prove a lot of people are saying the Texans are better for letting these players walk or trading them, you make sure.to include that these people said "if" after "better"... Pretty sure you just disproved your point... You're something else...

Actually it was to show that even when they point out that I am wrong for being concerned, they are acknowledging that the cards have to fall just right to eliminate that concern. It strengthens my argument.

I know people get irritated with what they consider "bitching and moaning", but this is a discussion board, and there are opposing viewpoints. Each poster has to make their own decision how they handle viewpoints different from their own. Complaining because people don't agree with a person's viewpoint is one approach. Another is to enter the discussion. Ignoring some posters works too.

Carr Bombed
03-23-2012, 12:13 PM
I've been saying they will be less competitive than last year, not that they will suck. I think that might be more realistic than thinking they will be better because:

1) The backups were better than the players above them on the depth chart
2) There is no doubt the team will have a stellar draft
3) Injuries won't expose the new lack of depth

1) haven't seen posted.. just seen people say we already have players that can step up and replace their production... We already saw that last year with Mario so his loss doesn't even factor into this equation. DeMeco's last year's production is easily replaceable (granted a new locker room alpha will have to emerge. The Oline is a question mark and people have admitted as much. Dreesen is not going to be that hard to replace.. if they really wanted him back and felt he was a significant peice or felt they didn't already have a guy to replace him with, he'd still be here.. they had the money if they really wanted him.

2) I haven't seen anybody claim Houston is gauranteed to have a steller draft, if they did they're stupid.

3) Have seen plenty of people acknowledge the current lack of depth now.. even from those who aren't freaking out about our FA loses. That's where we're mostly effected (not the starting lineup) and that's what we'll have to address in FA agency and the draft, but there's still plenty of time to do it.

Cerberus
03-23-2012, 12:16 PM
More confirmation on Dreessen going to Denver:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/23/joel-dreessen-is-headed-to-denver/

Runner
03-23-2012, 12:20 PM
1) haven't seen posted.. just seen people say we already have players that can step up and replace their production... We already saw that last year with Mario so his loss doesn't even factor into this equation. DeMeco's last year's production is easily replaceable (granted a new locker room alpha will have to emerge. The Oline is a question mark and people have admitted as much. Dreesen is not going to be that hard to replace.. if they really wanted him back and felt he was a significant peice or felt they didn't already have a guy to replace him with, he'd still be here.. they had the money if they really wanted him.

2) I haven't seen anybody claim Houston is gauranteed to have a steller draft, if they did they're stupid.

If seen plenty of people acknowledge the current lack of depth now.. even from those who aren't freaking out about our FA loses. That's where we're mostly effected (not the starting lineup) and that's what we'll have to address in FA agency and the draft, but there's still plenty of time to do it.

Yes, there are some arguments that can be made that the players leaving do not effect the team that much and may be mitigated. I can see that, believe it or not. I repped many of them on the previously mentioned thread.

I still think it is likely the team isn't as good as last year, and my arguments merit the same consideration.

I get irritated with posts just as you do. The chicken little, whiner, quit bitching and moaning, freaking out posts bother me because I enjoy the discussion this board supports.

GP
03-23-2012, 12:30 PM
The sky is not falling. Everyone seems to forget we resigned two HUGE needs in the off season: Foster and Myers.

-We all knew Mario was pretty much gone and after last season and not needed.
-Dreesen? He is a back up TE, I feel Graham will step in just fine.
-Winston while surprising, isnt a complete shock. Guy just can not handle speed rushers at all. You have a capable back up in Butler who will step in.
-Jason Allen. I trust in Wade after the Miracle Worker job he did last year. I suspect we will see a Jackson/Brandon "No fly zone" Harris combo next year in the same vein as Jackson/Allen. With Harris pushing KJ hard.
-Demeco. While the leadership issue hurts, physically he just did not do much to warrant what we are paying him. He is a MLB in a 4-3. I GUARANTEE Demeco talked to Cushing and told him it was his D now and to be the leader which Cush will do a great job being the leader.

Briesel-This one is the only one that stings. Underrated guy who just goes out weekly and plays his ass off. But the Raiders over paid and we shouldnt get into that game. I would much rather spend the money on myers. the guy only calls out the assignments on EVERY offensive snap...

We will be fine.

I rep'd you.

Solid statements, DX-TEX.

Dutchrudder
03-23-2012, 12:33 PM
So long Joel, good luck with the Broncos...

Anyone else think the Broncos won't make the playoffs this season? And not because Manning will get injured, but because the rest of the team just isn't that good.

281
03-23-2012, 12:34 PM
this thread title needs to be updated.

Carr Bombed
03-23-2012, 12:37 PM
I think you'll find those posts in the Free Agency - The Big Picture thread. Granted the "they will be better" is usually followed by a big "if" or assumption, but better nonetheless.

Some are buried in the big Demeco thread, but that's a lot to sift through.

Of course the big win comes in salary cap room and major re-signings in 2013.

Just win the-season-after-next, baby.

Oh I'm sorry.. you see when you post things like "every time I say that somebody tells me how tells me this FA period has been good for the Texans and these losses will make the team better".. I figured you'd have a lot of different examples to pull from and wouldn't tell me it's a lot to "sift through". Hmm maybe you don't have people telling you this has been a good FA period or how these losses will make the Texans better every time you post something different? That could also be why your different view point comes off as a little whiney, IDK

Runner
03-23-2012, 12:44 PM
Oh I'm sorry.. you see when you post things like "every time I say that somebody tells me how tells me this FA period has been good for the Texans and these losses will make the team better".. I figured you'd have a lot of different examples to pull from and wouldn't tell me it's a lot to "sift through". Hmm maybe you don't have people telling you this has been a good FA period or how these losses will make the Texans better every time you post something different? That could also be why your different view point comes off as a little whiney.. IDK.

So you object to my hyperbole. Next time I'll say "sometimes" and put a smiley after an attempted witticism, not that some people won't find that just as irritating.

Rey
03-23-2012, 01:10 PM
I've been saying they will be less competitive than last year, not that they will suck. I think that might be more realistic than thinking they will be better because:

1) The backups were better than the players above them on the depth chart
2) There is no doubt the team will have a stellar draft
3) Injuries won't expose the new lack of depth

I think more than anything, hope is what you are seeing.

Some of the same things could have been said about the team last year. Hell, lets not forget that there weren't very many people excited about Wade last off-season. Many people even coined the term Wary. (I don't recall if you were one of them, but I know you were not thrilled about Kubiak's return)

Personally, I did not want Kubiak back at all and I was weary or Wary, but I still thought that it could work for various reasons.

But my point is that no one has a crystal ball. Everyone here has been wrong about something regarding this team or football in general (except me of course :lion:)...

I don't really disagree that there aren't areas for concern. There are always area for concern. What I do disagree with though is that the moves that we've made (or haven't made) will ultimately lead to us having a bad season. I just think the meat of the team/most important pieces are still here.

It's kind of like a car....Lots of important pieces to a car, but if you have a good engine and a good transmission all that other stuff can be replaced and the car still works.

Honestly, I'm more worried about the stronger schedule than I am about the players that we've lost.

HoustonFrog
03-23-2012, 01:14 PM
The sky is not falling. Everyone seems to forget we resigned two HUGE needs in the off season: Foster and Myers.

-We all knew Mario was pretty much gone and after last season and not needed.
-Dreesen? He is a back up TE, I feel Graham will step in just fine.
-Winston while surprising, isnt a complete shock. Guy just can not handle speed rushers at all. You have a capable back up in Butler who will step in.
-Jason Allen. I trust in Wade after the Miracle Worker job he did last year. I suspect we will see a Jackson/Brandon "No fly zone" Harris combo next year in the same vein as Jackson/Allen. With Harris pushing KJ hard.
-Demeco. While the leadership issue hurts, physically he just did not do much to warrant what we are paying him. He is a MLB in a 4-3. I GUARANTEE Demeco talked to Cushing and told him it was his D now and to be the leader which Cush will do a great job being the leader.

Briesel-This one is the only one that stings. Underrated guy who just goes out weekly and plays his ass off. But the Raiders over paid and we shouldnt get into that game. I would much rather spend the money on myers. the guy only calls out the assignments on EVERY offensive snap...

We will be fine.

And none of that takes into effect continuity. There is a reason many of the players have taken to twitter to lament alot of these moves....they know how the lockerroom is made up and who does what. We don't. So the idea that losing guys is no big deal when there is a warm body behind them doesn't cut it. How do you know Graham is just fine? From what I heard he isn't as good a blocker. So little things like that play in to the week to week of assignments missed and plays made. I'm not being negative but there is something to be said for core groups and what guy teammates listen to. Just some thoughts.

Honoring Earl 34
03-23-2012, 01:20 PM
http://www.steelersuk.com/history/seventies/1976%20defense.html

I'll tell you a problem , what if you had to chose from this group who to pay .


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

THE 1976 STEELERS DEPTH CHART
from October 10th, 1976 Pro! magazine.

JackHam
LCGreenwood
JoeGreene
JackLambert
ErnieHolmes
DwightWhite
AndyRussell
J.T.Thomas
MikeWagner
MelBlount
DonnieShell

TimeKiller
03-23-2012, 01:25 PM
Not a shock. I'd wish luck to Dreesen, met him once he's a nice fella but I'm not a Broncos fan. So.....


The Texans are better off with him moving on though. TE is absolutely stacked right now and though their depth has earned more playing time they were caught up behind Dreesen because JD never did a thing to lose his spot. Dreesen has a helluva deal going for him now and the Texans have opened up a spot to feature their younger, higher ceiling potential having backups. No stagnating talent and wasting guys careers on special teams, it's time for Casey and Graham to make a splash in the deep end.

Runner
03-23-2012, 02:03 PM
I think more than anything, hope is what you are seeing.

Some of the same things could have been said about the team last year. Hell, lets not forget that there weren't very many people excited about Wade last off-season. Many people even coined the term Wary. (I don't recall if you were one of them, but I know you were not thrilled about Kubiak's return)

.....

Honestly, I'm more worried about the stronger schedule than I am about the players that we've lost.

I haven't been thrilled about Kubiak's return for four years now. If I remember correctly, those year's gave us (record-wise) no improvement, a winning season (9-7 whoop-whoop!), regression, and a play-off appearance. I'm still not sold on him, because of what you touch on in your last line - the team was aided by an easy schedule and the collapse of the division last year. Were the years of "averageness" or last year the real Kubiak. Time will tell.

I was on the positive side of neutral with Philips. He was easily the best defensive mind the team has had since Capers, but I wasn't sure how having what could have been seen as "two head coaches" would work out. To both of their credit it looks like it worked out well (from an outsider perspective anyway).

I know hope is what I've been seeing. That's a fine emotion for a fan to have, but it will take more than hope to make a deep playoff run next year. I'm looking more at the nuts and bolts of the machine right now.

Vinny
03-23-2012, 02:16 PM
Not a shock. I'd wish luck to Dreesen, met him once he's a nice fella but I'm not a Broncos fan. So.....


The Texans are better off with him moving on though. TE is absolutely stacked right now and though their depth has earned more playing time they were caught up behind Dreesen because JD never did a thing to lose his spot. Dreesen has a helluva deal going for him now and the Texans have opened up a spot to feature their younger, higher ceiling potential having backups. No stagnating talent and wasting guys careers on special teams, it's time for Casey and Graham to make a splash in the deep end.
absolutely stacked? Graham the Jed Putzier clone and Casey who has been more of a talking point than a difference maker? I don't think Dreesen has much of a higher ceiling since I think that nobody in that entire group is a legit NFL starter. The Gif Neilson of TE's is more like it for this bunch.

Norg
03-23-2012, 02:19 PM
man im getting this vibe that no F/A are intrested in playing for Houston :P

Honoring Earl 34
03-23-2012, 02:22 PM
absolutely stacked? Graham the Jed Putzier clone and Casey who has been more of a talking point than a difference maker? I don't think Dreesen has much of a higher ceiling since I think that nobody in that entire group is a legit NFL starter. The Gif Neilson of TE's is more like it for this bunch.

I'd like to see Fleener or Ladarius Green . Tall athletic guys who pose a length issue as well as speed .

Vinny
03-23-2012, 02:23 PM
I'd like to see Fleener or Ladarius Green . Tall athletic guys who pose a length issue as well as speed .I'd like to see a guy with more upside too.

Jacob Tamme just signed with the Donkeys so Dreesen backs him up.

Honoring Earl 34
03-23-2012, 02:30 PM
I'd like to see a guy with more upside too.

Jacob Tamme just signed with the Donkeys so Dreesen backs him up.

I saw Brees and Brady just throw it up and let Gronkowski and Graham go get it . Our guys have to find a soft spot in the zone .

The Texans need weapons on offense . They don't have to come from any one position or mold . Kubiak is creative , he could line up Fleener in the slot and block down like Walter .

jaayteetx
03-23-2012, 03:16 PM
Maybe Matt, Cush and the boys will let all the players that bailed touch their rings next offseason...

steelbtexan
03-23-2012, 04:24 PM
Because I CHOOSE to be a fan of the Houston Texans!! I might detest some of the decisions they make, but, I'm still a fan, and will be until the day I die!! PLUS, I don't really give a crap what EVERY TEAM IN THE NFL does!! WHY? Because I'm a TEXAN fan, and what they do affects me to my core!! IF I was a Texan player right now, I'd find it very difficult to be loyal to this franchise! Loyalty gets you nothing but a kick out the door! SURE, it happens all over the NFL, that's why Dreessen should pack his duds and head to Colorado. At least the Broncos are going forward, not backward!!

YES, I'm very pissed off at what's happened this past week. I've read EVERY damn thread concerning Demeco's trade, and believe it or not, I DO understand the theory behind the trade. Right now I'm still working on the "acceptance" phase of my grieving period, and I have NO sympathy for the evil SOBs that run this franchise. It's my opinion, and I have a right to voice it. Tomorrow I might feel different, but, today I'm still venting!!

Not that I disagree with most of this offseasons moves.

But, This is What I've been saying for yrs about Billionaire BoBBy and his henchmen Smith/Olsen. They signed FA's last yr because they were about to lose a large portion of their fanbase. (Not you/Blue Crew) Not suprisingly they made the playoffs for the 1st time in franchise history.

Fast forward to this offseason, it appears that Billionaire BoBBy wants to make his $$$$ back. But I'm willing to let the offseason and draft play out before I make a final judgement on the Texans FO. So far it's not looking good.

Tell me how a team like the Eagles can make big FA moves yr after yr, but the Texans are a pkayer in FA 1 yr and the next yr they have to cut half the team to get under the salary cap? Are BoBBy/Rick/Olsen that inept at their jobs? Or is there a more deep seeded problem with the way the Texans organization is being run?

Ole Miss Texan
03-23-2012, 04:47 PM
Not that I disagree with most of this offseasons moves.

But, This is What I've been saying for yrs about Billionaire BoBBy and his henchmen Smith/Olsen. They signed FA's last yr because they were about to lose a large portion of their fanbase. (Not you/Blue Crew) Not suprisingly they made the playoffs for the 1st time in franchise history.

Fast forward to this offseason, it appears that Billionaire BoBBy wants to make his $$$$ back. But I'm willing to let the offseason and draft play out before I make a final judgement on the Texans FO. So far it's not looking good.

Tell me how a team like the Eagles can make big FA moves yr after yr, but the Texans are a pkayer in FA 1 yr and the next yr they have to cut half the team to get under the salary cap? Are BoBBy/Rick/Olsen that inept at their jobs? Or is there a more deep seeded problem with the way the Texans organization is being run?

I don't think this is just about last year. Last year sure was exciting and it's probably the first time we've been in the race for the #1 overall FA player (Nnamdi) and decided on getting 2 really really good FA's instead (Joseph + Manning) as well as add Wade Phillips. There was excitement to that, where previous offseasons had little.

But look at what we've done the past few offseasons to get us to the point we're at right now:
*Matt Schaub - He's making coin and lots of it.
*Andre Johnson - He's making coin and lots of it (Highest paid WR at time of contract).
*Mario Williams - Had been making ridiculous coin since being #1 overall pick.
*Demeco Ryans - Extended him a contract making him one of the highest paid LBs at time of contract.
*Owen Daniels - Extended him a contract making him one of the highest paid TEs at time of contract.
*Antonio Smith - "Big" FA signing with not an insignificant contract, getting paid very well.
*On top of that, think of all our 1st round draft picks that have been making +/- $2M per season.

It adds up. My point is we can't be players every single year to keep giving out contracts to the top free agents, including our own. There's only a handful of players on a team that can be paid as tops in the NFL. We simply can't have the Top 5 paid WR, DE, LT, C, TE, OLB, CB, S, etc.

As for the Eagles... all I have to say is "wait and watch". Their Top 5 highest paid guys will roughly count towards 50% of their cap next season. I wouldn't be envious of the Eagles right now.

Ole Miss Texan
03-23-2012, 04:49 PM
As for the Eagles... all I have to say is "wait and watch". Their Top 5 highest paid guys will roughly count towards 50% of their cap next season. I wouldn't be envious of the Eagles right now.

:wadepalm: Dangit.... the Texans really aren't that too far behind them.


:overreact:

Honoring Earl 34
03-23-2012, 04:57 PM
:wadepalm: Dangit.... the Texans really aren't that too far behind them.


:overreact:

I think that works if it's your best players and they cover these four positions . QB , LT , CB , and stud pass rusher .

It won't work if it's your RT , ILB , and such .

HoustonFrog
03-24-2012, 02:35 PM
Cosell on Twitter. One of the best evaluators out there

Greg Cosell ‏ @gregcosell 2 under radar signings that are big: TEs Tamme + Dreessen to Broncos with Manning. Dreessen a better player than people might think.

Rey
03-24-2012, 02:47 PM
Anybody else think Dreesen might be about to blow up?

mussop
03-24-2012, 04:20 PM
Anybody else think Dreesen might be about to blow up?
YES!!!:pissed:

Nawzer
03-24-2012, 04:38 PM
We should get Dallas Clark to backup Owen Daniels.

Thorn
03-24-2012, 04:39 PM
Anybody else think Dreesen might be about to blow up?

Depends on if Manning truely makes a come back. If Manning is in good shape, Dreesen will become a big time NFL TE this year.

GP
03-24-2012, 04:39 PM
We lost a guy only one team in the NFL could afford, we traded a worn-down LB and cut a poor pass protecting RT, and we lost a few guys who are being overpaid because the Texans actually made the playoffs last year.

I know that it seems like I'm puffing up our team and minimizing the loss of the guys we lost. But it's not like Arian Foster walked out the door. We didn't lose Joseph and Manning. Or Cushing. Or Watt. Or A. Smith. Or Casey, OD, Brown, Myers, W. Smith, AJ, Walter, on and on and on. We have a strong enough core to replace the parts we lost. In so many people's minds, it's as if we've already lost the AFC South before even OTAs have begun.

Do I think Dreessen is about to blow up? He's been dependable for at least the past two seasons, lots of teams out there would want him now. So if he "blows up" then so be it. We can't keep everybody. If we did, we'd be a pre-2011 Texans team with nobody wanting our players in the first place and wondering why we weren't making moves to get better.

Good luck to Dreessen, as long as his interests do not conflict with our interests. - Texan_Don Corleone

Runner
03-24-2012, 04:48 PM
In so many people's minds, it's as if we've already lost the AFC South before even OTAs have begun.



I, and most posts I've seen, acknowledge the Texans are still good enough to win the weak AFC South again. In my case, and I think I've seen others state this also, there is some doubt if the Texans will be able to repeat or exceed last year's playoff performance.

infantrycak
03-24-2012, 05:17 PM
I, and most posts I've seen, acknowledge the Texans are still good enough to win the weak AFC South again. In my case, and I think I've seen others state this also, there is some doubt if the Texans will be able to repeat or exceed last year's playoff performance.

While I understand the concern by many and personally dislike the DeMeco trade, I think the biggest factor for next season is Schaub's health and whether he heads onto another 46+ game healthy streak. TJ mania that was going on around here aside the reality is the team was carrying him. A healthy Schaub would make a bigger difference to this team than everyone lost so far but is of course a great unknown.

Runner
03-24-2012, 05:34 PM
While I understand the concern by many and personally dislike the DeMeco trade, I think the biggest factor for next season is Schaub's health and whether he heads onto another 46+ game healthy streak. TJ mania that was going on around here aside the reality is the team was carrying him. A healthy Schaub would make a bigger difference to this team than everyone lost so far but is of course a great unknown.

Yes, it would be great to have Schaub back all season. I've never blamed this team's woes on him.

SheTexan
03-24-2012, 10:15 PM
Anybody else think Dreesen might be about to blow up?

Pro-Bowl next year!!

ObsiWan
03-25-2012, 05:33 AM
While I understand the concern by many and personally dislike the DeMeco trade, I think the biggest factor for next season is Schaub's health and whether he heads onto another 46+ game healthy streak. TJ mania that was going on around here aside the reality is the team was carrying him. A healthy Schaub would make a bigger difference to this team than everyone lost so far but is of course a great unknown.

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSRbdAWTgIjE3ztNJXjsXiP73iyNOa9I 3i7IzdYDGT0JkunIGiV

none of these moves, resignings, trade, addition by subtraction... none of them matter if Schaub isn't back to form this coming season.

Yates ain't ready.

DocBar
03-25-2012, 09:04 AM
This could easily go down as the Texan's worst offseason loss. Dreesen was under utilized because of OD.

NastyNate
03-27-2012, 10:37 AM
This could easily go down as the Texan's worst offseason loss. Dreesen was under utilized because of OD.

Indeed and OD is a slightly above average TE in this league. Solid, but good god he frustrates me on little bubble screens where he has zero vision after the catch.

Dreessen will have a solid year in Denver, I wish we would have kept him over OD.

Vinny
03-27-2012, 01:12 PM
Indeed and OD is a slightly above average TE in this league. Solid, but good god he frustrates me on little bubble screens where he has zero vision after the catch.

Dreessen will have a solid year in Denver, I wish we would have kept him over OD.Dreessen is their newest Jeb Putzier. Not entirely a bad thing...but a thing nonetheless.

Rey
03-28-2012, 06:52 PM
Anybody here Dreesen on the radio just now?

Said he admits to not handling the situation the best way. Said he told the texans and broncos yes. But decided on broncos due to being at home and the opportunity to take his game to the next level. He said loyalty to the texans was tugging at him and he was apologetic for the way he handled things.

I dont think money was the main factor here. Based on listening to him i think the texans made a good offer. He said that the team was upfront with him about bringing in tamme too.

Oh and he also said Peyton helped recruit him.

Texan_Bill
03-28-2012, 07:37 PM
Anybody here Dreesen on the radio just now?

Said he admits to not handling the situation the best way. Said he told the texans and broncos yes. But decided on broncos due to being at home and the opportunity to take his game to the next level. He said loyalty to the texans was tugging at him and he was apologetic for the way he handled things.

I dont think money was the main factor here. Based on listening to him i think the texans made a good offer. He said that the team was upfront with him about bringing in tamme too.

Oh and he also said Peyton helped recruit him.

Heard him earlier this morning on 1560. I've also posted previously that he had a chance to "go home" and work under his childhood hero, Elway, which I don't hate hime for.

He was very sincere and appreciated his 5 seasons here. He was also very complimentary of Kubiak, Uncle Bob, the FO and especially of the fans (citing the Nati playoff game - that blew him away).

I wish him all the best..... :thinking:

Well until it's Texans at Broncos! :evil: